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nvda and Edge
bob jutzi <jutzi1@...>
I am running the latest NVDA master along with Fall Creaters update of Win10 and finally decided to check out Edge. I do have a few questions.
For those of us who are blind, what advantages does Edge have over Firefox? Also, there doesn't seem to be a way to backup Favorites unless this is managed through Syncing. I am already logged into my Microsoft account.
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Re: NVDA Is Well Ahead Of JAWS
ely.r@...
Hey all,
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Not going to chime in too much about which is better or the best screen reader. I use both the candidates. For me, what is crucial is cost. I have been a TVI for twenty-five years. It has frequently been difficult to convince school districts to purchase either JAWS or WindowEyes for students particularly those whose conditions may mean that either will not meet been their long term needs. The APH version of JAWS has changed this. However, as part of the Baby Boomer generation, I am also aware of the staggering numbers of my cohort who will be losing vision in the next several decades. Frighteningly, that population will be even larger due to the increases of vision loss across all ages. As just one example, the incidence of diabetic retinopathy has increased over 80% due in large part to our American diet. We Boomers are the first generation of seniors for whom computers have become part of everyday life. Many of us will be on relatively fixed incomes. The access features built into Windows may serve some individuals, and Microsoft may continue to improve those. However, it is very likely that many more of us will be in need of a highly functional screen reader that will allow us to keep using computers. NV Access has as its goal, to make a constantly improved screen reader available to anyone. The cost of other options for older computer addicts may make other screen readers simply out of reach. Some folks on the list are rightfully concerned about the open source model of NVDA. So much of the ongoing development comes from individuals giving freely of their time. My hope is that aging vision loss will actually grow support for this model, both monetarily and in the volunteer pool. Maybe too, the operating systems will continue to work to produce screen readers that are every bit as functional as both JAWS and NVDA. For the future, my hopes are that there will be tools that allow everyone access to what looks to be all of our futures. No one paid me to add the PSA announcement below. P.S. Please when you get to that part of downloading your next NVDA upgrade, where the installer asks, "Donate Now, "press that button before going further. If you can, think of a monthly donation like you think of your internet service agreement, and make it monthly. Rick Dr. Rick Ely TVI, Vision Consultant 451 Rocky Hill Road Florence, MA 01062 &413() 727-3038
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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of bob jutzi Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2018 3:41 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Is Well Ahead Of JAWS I'm sure it depends what software you use; but for me, I'm strictly a home user running NVDA for over two years and love it. Along with supporting Omnipage, the KNFB Reader Windows 10 app, iTunes, Thunderbird, etc. extremely well, NVDA is extremely responsive. No offense against JAWS users, just don't see the reason for such a ridiculous upgrade price tag. It's not like it's still the 90's and Windows screen access for the blind is still in its infancy. Bob On 4/19/2018 3:30 PM, Angela Delicata wrote: Hi,
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Re: NVDA Is Well Ahead Of JAWS
Antony Stone
Indeed.
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It's exactly the same as choosing a web browser - there is no single "best" choice. Some people prefer Chrome, Firefox, Safari, Opera, or whatever; sometimes one works with a particular website better than others; some have features which you don't often need but are really useful on occasion. So, having several web browsers installed so you can choose which one to use at any given time is good; the same thing goes for screen readers - there is no single "best" choice, it depends on what you're trying to do, and sometimes what you feel most comfortable / familiar with. Antony.
On Thursday 19 April 2018 at 23:34:30, Dan Kerstetter wrote:
After following this thread, I’ve decided to put in my 1.5 cents. (smile) --
The Magic Words are Squeamish Ossifrage. Please reply to the list; please *don't* CC me.
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Re: NVDA Is Well Ahead Of JAWS
Dan Kerstetter
After following this thread, I’ve decided to put in my 1.5 cents. (smile)
As a blind person who has used a computer for a long time with many different screen readers, I feel that one can never have too many. Some things JAWS is better at than NVDA and vice versa. I’ve actually had to switch between screen readers in the middle of performing a task on the web simply because one will work and the other won’t for one specific part of a task. Thanks for reading.
Dan K
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tyler Wood
Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2018 3:56 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Is Well Ahead Of JAWS
Hi, thank you for this.
I can think of a perfect example this morning. I was trying to click on a button on a webpage with NVDA. It was quite the important button, too, as it was a button that allows me to pay a bill. Apparently the bank changed something because NVDA, no matter what browser I used, no matter if the window was maximized, no matter if I used object nav and then routed mouse cursor to NVDA with capslock shift m, it would not click. Chrome, firefox ESR, firefox latest, edge, internet exploder. So then I tried narrator with edge and had the same results.
Opened jaws and chrome, got it first try by pressing enter. That, right there, made it worth the $125 SMA I just paid simply because I did not have to go through the hell of changing my bank, credit card, etc based on one button. I'm still going to be raising hell with said bank but, really, this superior NVDA is better than jaws attitude simply because it is free needs to stop. This is coming from an NVDA user. There are things NVDA can't do and jaws can and vice versa. Neither are perfect and judging someone based on what screen reader they use is just absurd and childish.
On 19-Apr-2018 2:43 PM, Gene wrote:
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Re: NVDA Is Well Ahead Of JAWS
bob jutzi <jutzi1@...>
I did neglect to give an example, Quicken.
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I used Quicken from 2000-13 with Window-eyes. Since the discontinuation of Window-eyes, had I continued using it rather than switching to my bank's iOS app, this would require me to use JAWS since unfortunately, NVDA doesn't support Quicken enough to make it useable.
On 4/19/2018 3:41 PM, bob jutzi wrote:
I'm sure it depends what software you use; but for me, I'm strictly a home user running NVDA for over two years and love it. Along with supporting Omnipage, the KNFB Reader Windows 10 app, iTunes, Thunderbird, etc. extremely well, NVDA is extremely responsive. No offense against JAWS users, just don't see the reason for such a ridiculous upgrade price tag. It's not like it's still the 90's and Windows screen access for the blind is still in its infancy.
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Re: NVDA Is Well Ahead Of JAWS
Tyler Wood
Hi, thank you for this.
I can think of a perfect example this morning. I was trying to click on a button on a webpage with NVDA. It was quite the important button, too, as it was a button that allows me to pay a bill. Apparently the bank changed something because NVDA, no matter
what browser I used, no matter if the window was maximized, no
matter if I used object nav and then routed mouse cursor to NVDA
with capslock shift m, it would not click. Chrome, firefox ESR,
firefox latest, edge, internet exploder. So then I tried narrator
with edge and had the same results.
Opened jaws and chrome, got it first try by pressing enter. That, right there, made it worth the $125 SMA I just paid simply
because I did not have to go through the hell of changing my bank,
credit card, etc based on one button. I'm still going to be
raising hell with said bank but, really, this superior NVDA is
better than jaws attitude simply because it is free needs to stop.
This is coming from an NVDA user. There are things NVDA can't do
and jaws can and vice versa. Neither are perfect and judging
someone based on what screen reader they use is just absurd and
childish.
On 19-Apr-2018 2:43 PM, Gene wrote:
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Re: NVDA Is Well Ahead Of JAWS
Tyler Wood
Hi,
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They both have their strengths and weaknesses as far as I'm concerned. For me, jaws is far, far superior when navigating through windows explorer but NVDA is superior when it comes to the windows 10 store and the windows 10 apps you can download from it. Similarly, jaws still has quite an edge in microsoft office though NVDA is catching up.
On 19-Apr-2018 2:04 PM, Jason White via Groups.Io wrote:
I think NVDA and JAWS are arguably the best screen readers currently available
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Re: NVDA Is Well Ahead Of JAWS
Sky Mundell
There is no way that VFO is going to swallow up NVDA because it is open Source.
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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Don H Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2018 12:38 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Is Well Ahead Of JAWS I started using NVDA after the demise of Window Eyes. I also got the free Jaws when it was offered. I found NVDA much easier to use over Jaws and use NVDA as my prime screen reader. Just hope that there is no way that VFO can swallow up NVDA as it did Window Eyes.
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Re: NVDA Is Well Ahead Of JAWS
Gene
There are some uses for which JAWS is better.
My impression is that NVDA is either as good or better than JAWS for typical
uses such as browsing, e-mail, working with audio players, and doing other
things the majority of users do. But JAWS is much more user configurable
and the user who knows how to do so can make it work with many programs that
aren't widely used, but that the person may want or need. A lot of users
won't have a need or wish to do so but the ability to customize JAWS is
important for some users.
And there are times when JAWS works with a certain
program better and where NVDA works with a specific program better.
It's common to see the attitude among committed
NVDA users that it is very superior and to pretty much dismiss JAWS. that
isn't a proper view. for some, perhaps many, users, NVDA would be
superior. but there are blind people who rely on JAWS in important
ways. It's far better to have choices and I don't hope to see the demise
of JAWS.
Gene
----- Original Message ----- > Dear friends, the matter of fact is that I’m using JAWS as my primary screen reader since I have started using computer for the first time in year 2010. > The latest tutorial of NVDA by Joseph Lee made me interested in using NVDA. > So I have downloaded and installed it and since then I have been using it as my secondary screen reader! > I’m very happy to let you know that NVDA is well ahead of JAWS specially in the area of accessibility! > Friends, I’d like to request you to please comment about my observation if it is right? > Please let me know the pros and cons of my observation! > With regards from Inamuddin with the Skype ID: > Charlsdarwin1 > > > Arguing with a woman is reading software license agreement. > At the end, you have to ignore everything and clic I agree. > You can contact me via gmail: > inamuddin09@... > outlook: > inam092@... > yahoo: > inamuddin2010@... > AOL: > charlsdarwin1969@... > Add my Skype ID: > charlsdarwin1 > Meet me on facebook: > www.facebook.com/inamuddin786 > Follow me on my twitter ID: > www.twitter.com/charlsdarwin1 > Call me on my cell numbers: > +1-631-5335683 > +92-300-2227598 > +92-334-3348409 > >
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Re: NVDA Is Well Ahead Of JAWS
bob jutzi <jutzi1@...>
I'm sure it depends what software you use; but for me, I'm strictly a home user running NVDA for over two years and love it. Along with supporting Omnipage, the KNFB Reader Windows 10 app, iTunes, Thunderbird, etc. extremely well, NVDA is extremely responsive. No offense against JAWS users, just don't see the reason for such a ridiculous upgrade price tag. It's not like it's still the 90's and Windows screen access for the blind is still in its infancy.
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Bob
On 4/19/2018 3:30 PM, Angela Delicata wrote:
Hi,
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Re: NVDA Is Well Ahead Of JAWS
Don H
I started using NVDA after the demise of Window Eyes. I also got the free Jaws when it was offered. I found NVDA much easier to use over Jaws and use NVDA as my prime screen reader. Just hope that there is no way that VFO can swallow up NVDA as it did Window Eyes.
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Re: NVDA Is Well Ahead Of JAWS
Sky Mundell
That's true. Although JAWS does have tools which I use at work such as Text Analyzer, skim reading, etc. Skim reading is in NVDA and I think Text Amalyzer could as well.
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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Angela Delicata Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2018 12:31 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Is Well Ahead Of JAWS Hi, I removed Jaws completely from my PC and have been using nvda only since last october... I do exactly the same things as Jaws: web navigation, checking emails, using text programs et. I can say in same occations nvda is even better than Jaws... so no need for it now. Honestly, I may say those who speak bad of nvda is only because they do not know it enough. Ciao Angela from Italy Il 19/04/2018 19:04, Inam Uddin via Groups.Io ha scritto: Dear friends, the matter of fact is that I’m using JAWS as my primary screen reader since I have started using computer for the first time in year 2010.
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Re: NVDA Is Well Ahead Of JAWS
Angela Delicata
Hi,
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I removed Jaws completely from my PC and have been using nvda only since last october... I do exactly the same things as Jaws: web navigation, checking emails, using text programs et. I can say in same occations nvda is even better than Jaws... so no need for it now. Honestly, I may say those who speak bad of nvda is only because they do not know it enough. Ciao Angela from Italy
Il 19/04/2018 19:04, Inam Uddin via Groups.Io ha scritto:
Dear friends, the matter of fact is that I’m using JAWS as my primary screen reader since I have started using computer for the first time in year 2010.
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Re: NVDA Is Well Ahead Of JAWS
Jason White
I think NVDA and JAWS are arguably the best screen readers currently available
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for any platform. Which is preferable to a given person or in a given situation depends on a variety of factors. VoiceOver for iOS is also very good, in my experience. Please bear in mind, however, that I haven't used Android recently and so can't make an up to date comparison. I regularly use Mac OS, Windows, Linux and iOS, and occasionally Chrome OS for testing purposes. Nevzat Adil <nevzatadil@gmail.com> wrote:
I agree; and in my case it is the number of languages with NVDA that I
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Re: NVDA Is Well Ahead Of JAWS
I agree; and in my case it is the number of languages with NVDA that I
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like. I can, with a keystroek, switch from one language to another. the only disadvantage with NVDA is that it lacks behind as far as Unified English Braille (UEB) is concerned. As I am studying to be certified as a braille proofreader this feature is important for me. JAWS has both output and input UEB tables whereas NVDA has only output table. Nevzat
On 4/19/18, Inam Uddin via Groups.Io <charlsdarwin1969=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
Dear friends, the matter of fact is that I’m using JAWS as my primary screen
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Re: having multiple webpages opened when using NVDA?
JM Casey <crystallogic@...>
Absolutely, this is something everyone should know about.
Of course, a good indicator that a command is not a screen-reader command is: does it start with the nVDA modifier key (insert usually, or caps lock if laptop settings operate similar to jAWS, which I’ve never looked into). But of course, this isn’t universal; add-ons or scripts often use other key combinations.
But it’s good to kno these things, because you won’t always have access to your screen-reader, and you might still want to perform certain tasks, like run something, shut down the system, or whatever. Also of course, if you have ever been in the position of trying to explain to a sighted person how to do something and you’re not sure what they ought to be doing with their mouse, you can give them the keyboard commands. You might be surprised at how many sighted people don’t actaully know how many functions you can perform with the keyboard alone, and how delighted they are when they learn them.
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
A big shout out to Gene, Jonathan, & Sylvie for all reinforcing the importance of knowing the difference between application program or Windows OS keyboard shortcuts and screen reader shortcuts. The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement. But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth. ~ Niels Bohr
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Re: having multiple webpages opened when using NVDA?
JM Casey <crystallogic@...>
These are not screen-reader commands. They would work for sighted people just as well. I don’t know if they are exactly universal to all browsers, but I suspect, probably.
So you can do exactly the same thing that you are used to. I use ctrl-f4 to close tabs when I am done with them.
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: April 19, 2018 1:40 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] having multiple webpages opened when using NVDA?
Hi, Dan,
To close each tab, use control W.
Rosemarie
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dan Thompson
Hi All, What is the command for opening multiple webpages in NVDA. I know in JAWS, if you press control plus T an edit field for entering another URL comes up. Then once arriving at a second or third webpage, movement between them is done by pressing control plus tab. How is this done in NVDA? Thanks very much for any guidance.
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NVDA Is Well Ahead Of JAWS
Inam Uddin
Dear friends, the matter of fact is that I’m using JAWS as my primary screen reader since I have started using computer for the first time in year 2010. The latest tutorial of NVDA by Joseph Lee made me interested in using NVDA. So I have downloaded and installed it and since then I have been using it as my secondary screen reader! I’m very happy to let you know that NVDA is well ahead of JAWS specially in the area of accessibility! Friends, I’d like to request you to please comment about my observation if it is right? Please let me know the pros and cons of my observation! With regards from Inamuddin with the Skype ID: Charlsdarwin1
Arguing with a woman is reading software license agreement.
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Re: having multiple webpages opened when using NVDA?
Rosemarie Chavarria
Hi, Dan,
To close each tab, use control W.
Rosemarie
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dan Thompson
Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2018 6:59 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: [nvda] having multiple webpages opened when using NVDA?
Hi All, What is the command for opening multiple webpages in NVDA. I know in JAWS, if you press control plus T an edit field for entering another URL comes up. Then once arriving at a second or third webpage, movement between them is done by pressing control plus tab. How is this done in NVDA? Thanks very much for any guidance.
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Re: having multiple webpages opened when using NVDA?
Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
Surely this is a browser function not a screenreader one. Tabbed browsing is what I tend to use.
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From: "Dan Thompson" <dmt031073@gmail.com> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2018 2:58 PM Subject: [nvda] having multiple webpages opened when using NVDA? Hi All,
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