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Re: Email clients

Ervin, Glenn
 

Gene,

I have been using Windows Live Mail, the menu version, and I have not found a calendar.

How do I access it?

Thanks.

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2018 10:25 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Email clients

 

Have you tried Windows Live Mail?  It is not bloated to a bothersome extent and it is not slow.  It has features like a calendar but they aren't intrusive and you can use the program and never come across them unless you intentionally look for them. 

 

I haven't used thunderbird enough to know if it is slow in general.  I tried it on a machine that is already an old slow machine and it was annoyingly slow at opening messages but I don't know how it is on a fast machine.  However, you are the second person I've seen complain of slowness in the last number of months so that's a little more evidence for it being slow.  But I don't draw conclusions about performance on just two reports.  Five or ten would be much more conclusive since programs can perform differently on different machines even if the machines provide good results with programs in general.

 

Gene

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Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2018 9:58 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Email clients

 

Yeah, I don't like any of the mail clients either. Thunderbird is the best, but it is laggy, extremely laggy, bloated, etc.

 

On Sun, Apr 15, 2018 at 10:40 AM, Ron Canazzi <aa2vm@...> wrote:

Hi Damien,

 

If you use Thunderbird, a lot of the extraneous stuff can be turned off under tools/options.  In addition, NVDA works much better with Thunderbird than does JAWS.  Also, there is an add on for Thunderbird and Firefox for NVDA that allows among other things, the re positioning of columns in Thunderbird.  This is very convenient for those of us who wish to have the Sender's name first rather than the default subject line first in the columns as they are read when you move up/down a list of received messages.

 

 

 

On 4/15/2018 10:12 AM, Damien Garwood wrote:

Hi there,

 

Ten minutes in the life of seemingly old fashioned Damien, using Windows 7 and Windows Live Mail:

* Check emails.

* Install Dropbox.

* Realise that it’s turned into a pile of sludgy sluggish inaccessible mess.

* Uninstall Dropbox.

* Attempt to check emails.

* Receive a message that WLDCore.dll is missing.

So in that ten minutes, the only significant thing was to install and uninstall Dropbox, leading me to think that Dropbox somehow corrupted it. I'll save that rant for my rants folder.

I then nonchalantly uninstall, and launch the Windows Live Essentials installer expecting to be able to repair it. Of course, it doesn’t budge. Only then, do I find out that WLM has been discontinued, seemingly with nothing to replace it for Windows 7 users. Another rant for my rants folder.

 

I wouldn’t be particularly bothered. I wouldn't say that WLM is the best client I've ever used. In fact, every client I've used up to now could do with some accessibility tips. Even so, despite its shortcomings, WLM was the next best thing to OE and so I’ve been using that for the past four or five years.

This puts me in a real dilemma. I’m only able to write this email now, thanks to System Restore (A feature I swore I would never use thanks to its abilities to mess things up). As a result, I highly feel that I need to get a replacement client, hopefully something a little less sporadic in its development and life/support cycles. However, I can’t find a basic, accessible client that:

1. Is free of unnecessary outright bloated clutter,

2. Is fully accessible, responsive and comprehensible, and

3. Is able to import WLM folders and messages.

 

Here are the three that I have heard apparently work well, and my experiences:

 

1. OEClassic

Since I liked Outlook Express, and since I have heard a lot about OEClassic on this list, I thought it would make sense to first try that one. However I was disappointed. When tabbing through the main window, I had no idea what was what (the controls seemed to be unlabelled or labelled incorrectly), and some even said “Unknown”. And that’s even before I touched any settings.

 

2. Pegasus

While Pegasus was the first email client I was ever introduced to, that was nearly 20 years ago, and using a different screen reader. Similar to OEClassic, I found several “Unknown” controls, not to mention the old rich-text-based help system used in the Windows 98 days.

 

3. Thunderbird

Thunderbird was the only option of the three to allow me to set up a mailbox before use, and even that was a nightmare, simply because it was determined to persuade me to use encrypted channels. Also, while it does seem to be the most accessible of the three in terms of navigation, it also seems full of unnecessary clutter (different tabs, toolbars, calendars and news feeds, half of which I’ll never use). Also can’t get my head around the fact that its window makes heavy use of HTML – I’m used to seeing a good old listbox, pressing enter on a message, and reading it.

 

Finally, WLM seems to be absent from import options of all three. I see frequent mention of Outlook Express, Outlook, Windows Mail, Thunderbird...But not Windows Live.

At this point, I've no idea what my next step is.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Cheers.
Damien.

 

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Re: Special characters in NVDA

Peter Chin
 

Thanks so much.
 

From: JM Casey
Sent: Saturday, March 3, 2018 9:26 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Special characters in NVDA
 

When I wanted to find out if it was still present in Win 10 the day I wrote that message, I hit windows key to open the search box, and typed “character map”, and there it was.

 

I even got the executable name right. Hit windows + r for run, and type “charmap”.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Peter Chin
Sent: March 2, 2018 2:48 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Special characters in NVDA

 

Please tell us how to get to the character map in Windows.

 

From: JM Casey

Sent: Monday, February 5, 2018 3:33 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Special characters in NVDA

 

I haven’t yet tried this with nVDA running, but the quickest way for me has always been to turn the numlock on, and type the alt-number combination, then turn the numlock off again. This won’t work for everyone. While I admit I can’t remember all the important codes, most of the ones I use are accents you’d find in french, and I do remember those. Windows has a feature called Character Map, which you can use to look up character codes, or paste the characters directly into your document. I haven’t used it since XP, but I just looked, and note that it is still here in Windows 10. However, the interface seems to have changed somewhat. Still, you can search for things if you select the advanced view. Play around with it if you like. You’ll probably have to use object navigation in NVDA.

 

The good news is that once you know the code, you don’t have to muck around with pasting anything. Make a list of the ones you use often, rather as Gene suggested, and before long you’ll remember them and type them quickly and efficiently.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: February 4, 2018 11:23 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Special characters in NVDA

 

NVDA has no such dialog.  Do you still have JAWS on your machine?  You could create your own list using Notepad and then cut and paste them into documents.  Or you can create these characters using the numpad, but I've almost never done this.  Since NVDA uses the Numpad, I'm not sure if you can do this unless you use the bypass command.  Others may comment.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Ann Byrne

Sent: Sunday, February 04, 2018 9:49 AM

Subject: [nvda] Special characters in NVDA

 

How do I find special characters in NVDA, such as the accented e in résumé?

Thanks,


Re: Special characters in NVDA

Peter Chin
 

Thanks so much.
 

From: Sam Taylor
Sent: Saturday, March 3, 2018 9:23 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Special characters in NVDA
 

Windows R for run dialogue and type Charmap

 

On 2/03/2018 17:47, Peter Chin wrote:
Please tell us how to get to the character map in Windows.
 
From: JM Casey
Sent: Monday, February 5, 2018 3:33 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Special characters in NVDA
 

I haven’t yet tried this with nVDA running, but the quickest way for me has always been to turn the numlock on, and type the alt-number combination, then turn the numlock off again. This won’t work for everyone. While I admit I can’t remember all the important codes, most of the ones I use are accents you’d find in french, and I do remember those. Windows has a feature called Character Map, which you can use to look up character codes, or paste the characters directly into your document. I haven’t used it since XP, but I just looked, and note that it is still here in Windows 10. However, the interface seems to have changed somewhat. Still, you can search for things if you select the advanced view. Play around with it if you like. You’ll probably have to use object navigation in NVDA.

 

The good news is that once you know the code, you don’t have to muck around with pasting anything. Make a list of the ones you use often, rather as Gene suggested, and before long you’ll remember them and type them quickly and efficiently.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: February 4, 2018 11:23 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Special characters in NVDA

 

NVDA has no such dialog.  Do you still have JAWS on your machine?  You could create your own list using Notepad and then cut and paste them into documents.  Or you can create these characters using the numpad, but I've almost never done this.  Since NVDA uses the Numpad, I'm not sure if you can do this unless you use the bypass command.  Others may comment.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Ann Byrne

Sent: Sunday, February 04, 2018 9:49 AM

Subject: [nvda] Special characters in NVDA

 

How do I find special characters in NVDA, such as the accented e in résumé?

Thanks,



Re: Recommended braille displays for use with NVDA?

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You would imagine if they do have a proven design, one of the other makers might buy the rights, or maybe the problem is the cost to make it and they were just not recouping the costs fast enough. After all, in the main its only the most well off individual who can afford this luxury. Most of the other sales are through government schemes for working blind people.

If you can afford a display like these, at least you can afford to donate more to the nvda project though. Hides behind sofa as a hail of rotting tomatoes comes over.. :-)

Brian

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From: "Jason White via Groups.Io" <jason=jasonjgw.net@groups.io>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2018 10:26 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Recommended braille displays for use with NVDA?


Unfortunately, yes, Baum is in financial difficulty and currently isn't
operating.

I have owned two of their displays over the years, both excellent. It seems
that I'll have to look elsewhere for my next display, though. I've been doing
the research but have not yet made the final decision.

Rui Fontes <rui.fontes@tiflotecnia.com> wrote:
Hello!
Atention, BAUM is closed since begining of 2018 due to bankrupcy...

Rui

Às 20:33 de 17/04/2018, Angela Delicata escreveu:
I have Vario Ultra made by Baum which is a German factory... It is very
god with nvda: it works well.



Il 17/04/2018 18:25, Jason White via Groups.Io ha scritto:
Are there any braille displays that are particularly well supported
by NVDA,
including the BrailleExtender add-on and its assignment of keyboard
functions
to braille display keys?

Are there any braille display vendors who have been especially
cooperative
with the NVDA project?

I wish to take this into account in a personal purchasing decision, among
other factors, so I thought I should ask here.
Re: Dragging and Dropping with NVDA

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Yes some other software has this issue, one used to be one of the cd burning tools.
However that was what i meant by a track of the drag. Often only a nudge is needed to fool it into thinking its being moved.
Brian

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From: "Brian Vogel" <britechguy@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2018 2:47 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Dragging and Dropping with NVDA


Quentin,

Thanks much for that information. One of the few instances where I've seen a need to use drag and drop via the keyboard is rearranging the displayed column order in Thunderbird. Because I've had so much trouble with this in the past, because I didn't know that a bump of the mouse was required, I've suggested that folks find a sighted assistant since this is generally a one-off activity. At least now I know why I've had the difficulties I've had as I'd certainly not have expected the need for actual mouse use (or the equivalent via Golden Cursor), that's for sure.

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Re: Dragging and Dropping with NVDA

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It makes a difference if a new explorer session is in use or a reuse of an existing but not used window I notice.
Cut and paste is the way to go. Also do not be too fast as the actual selected file can lag behind the one you think is selected due to sluggish interface issues.
Brian

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From: "Brian Vogel" <britechguy@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2018 8:21 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Dragging and Dropping with NVDA


On Tue, Apr 17, 2018 at 11:07 am, Ralf Kefferpuetz wrote:


Put both windows beside on the screen and it will work as you described
it.
Just for the record, I did have a side-by-side arrangement of two File Explorer windows when I was doing my testing and the method originally described did not work.

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Re: Dragging and Dropping with NVDA

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Yes but not always going to be possible from the keyboard in my experience you often need to drag the windows about a bit to be able to make this work, which was what I was getting at about not having a trail between the drag and drop points.
Brian

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From: "Ralf Kefferpuetz" <ralf.kefferpuetz@elra-consulting.de>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2018 7:07 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Dragging and Dropping with NVDA


The both windows must be visible at the screen. It doesn’t work if you have all windows maximized. It wouldn’t work either if you were sighted using a mouse. Put both windows beside on the screen and it will work as you described it.



Cheers,

Ralf



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Giles Turnbull
Sent: Dienstag, 17. April 2018 15:56
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Dragging and Dropping with NVDA



Hi all,

I'm not sure if what I want to do is possible using NVDA but I thought I'd ask.

I've read the mouse functions section in the 2018.1 user guide and have tried routing the mouse to the current object (NVDA+num pad divide), locking the left mouse button on that object (shift+num pad divide), going to another window and then pressing NVDA+num pad divide to route the mouse pointer to that window, and finally pressing shift+num pad divide to release the locked left mouse button and, fingers crosssed, drop the item into that window ... and nothing seems to be happening.

In the user guide it says: Locks the left mouse button down. Press again to release it. To drag the mouse, press this key to lock the left button down and then move the mouse either physically or use one of the other mouse routing commands.

What I want to do is lock the left button on a file in explorer, drag it onto a Python terminal window and then drop the file on that window. There are no objects in that Python terminal window other than the title and the verticle scroll bar.

Grateful for any advice on whether the sequence of my actions is currect, and whether dropping a file in this way is possible. In other similar cases, such as dropping a file into a WordPress media window for uploading a new file, there is also a browse button and I always use that. Without any means of browsing for the file I want to drop in the terminal window I'm a bit stumped.

Giles
Re: Dragging and Dropping with NVDA

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I've never found a need to drag and drop unless its a completely non standard application where it can be hit and miss. I think the issue is that the software concerned needs to be able to know that you are not exactly dragging at all, ie there is no actual track between the two locations, so it ignores you. If cut and paste is possible its far more reliable.
Brian

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From: "Rosemarie Chavarria" <knitqueen2007@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2018 5:18 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Dragging and Dropping with NVDA


Hi, Brian,



I use copy and paste quite a bit and it does work great for me. Thank you for the tip.



Rosemarie







From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2018 8:01 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Dragging and Dropping with NVDA



I just tried what you described and although I'd think it would do as you described it doesn't for me, either.

One thing I did try that seems to work is using copy and paste. Once I have focus on the file I want to drop in the source window I hit the conventional Windows keyboard shortcut CTRL+C to copy it. I then navigate to the target window using ALT+TAB then get myself positioned such that I am ready to drop it where it needs to be dropped then hit Paste, CTRL+V, which effectively drops it there.

Try this and see if it works for you.
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Re: Dragging and Dropping with NVDA

Euclid Mukuronga
 

Thanks. This addon has made my Thunderbird highly customisable: with a
simple NVDA+H, you can rearrange columns in the message list pane. It
also has other convenient shortcut keys to quickly jump to message
fields while reading. This is indeed a cool addon.



Ron Canazzi:


The NVDA add on you want is called Mozilla Apps Enhancements. 



On 4/17/2018 10:19 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
If there is an add-on I would appreciate it if someone would name it.

What was last discussed, when I checked it out, did not include
anything related to reordering the column display order that I could
find.

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Re: Recommended braille displays for use with NVDA?

Angela Delicata
 

Ah, that's very bad news.... Smile.

Thank you for   sharing the news with us and let's hope things will get better for this Factory because their displays, like all German brands, are very good.

Ciao.

Il 17/04/2018 22:55, Rui Fontes ha scritto:
You only will have problems if your display have technical problems...

I can't find any company to repair them...

Rui


Às 20:58 de 17/04/2018, Angela Delicata escreveu:
Really? I  did not know it.... So, what will happen for those who have their products?

Ciao and thanks.

Angela  from Italy



Il 17/04/2018 21:48, Rui Fontes ha scritto:
Hello!
Atention, BAUM is closed since begining of 2018 due to bankrupcy...

Rui

Às 20:33 de 17/04/2018, Angela Delicata escreveu:
I have  Vario Ultra made by Baum which is a German factory... It is very god with nvda: it works well.



Il 17/04/2018 18:25, Jason White via Groups.Io ha scritto:
Are there any braille displays that are particularly well supported by NVDA,
including the BrailleExtender add-on and its assignment of keyboard functions
to braille display keys?

Are there any braille display vendors who have been especially cooperative
with the NVDA project?

I wish to take this into account in a personal purchasing decision, among
other factors, so I thought I should ask here.
Re: Dragging and Dropping with NVDA

Ron Canazzi
 

The NVDA add on you want is called Mozilla Apps Enhancements. 



On 4/17/2018 10:19 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
If there is an add-on I would appreciate it if someone would name it.

What was last discussed, when I checked it out, did not include anything related to reordering the column display order that I could find.

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Re: Dragging and Dropping with NVDA

Brian Vogel
 

If there is an add-on I would appreciate it if someone would name it.

What was last discussed, when I checked it out, did not include anything related to reordering the column display order that I could find.

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Re: Dragging and Dropping with NVDA

John Isige
 

The Mozilla addon let's you rearrange the columns without dragging and
dropping I'm pretty sure. Not that knowing how to drag and drop isn't
useful mind, but there's at least another way to do that specific thing.

On 4/17/2018 20:47, Brian Vogel wrote:
Quentin,

          Thanks much for that information.  One of the few instances
where I've seen a need to use drag and drop via the keyboard is
rearranging the displayed column order in Thunderbird.  Because I've
had so much trouble with this in the past, because I didn't know that
a bump of the mouse was required, I've suggested that folks find a
sighted assistant since this is generally a one-off activity.  At
least now I know why I've had the difficulties I've had as I'd
certainly not have expected the need for actual mouse use (or the
equivalent via Golden Cursor), that's for sure.

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Re: Dragging and Dropping with NVDA

Quentin Christensen
 

You're welcome - I must admit, I had tried it, but hadn't explored enough to try moving the mouse (or mouse pointer) to initiate the drag and drop functionality until this morning.  There are some instances where this still might work, and of course, if trying to do something requiring finer precision such as reordering mail columns, it's important not just to bump the mouse, but to ensure that it is in fact in the right position before unlocking the button.



On Wed, Apr 18, 2018 at 11:47 AM, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:
Quentin,

          Thanks much for that information.  One of the few instances where I've seen a need to use drag and drop via the keyboard is rearranging the displayed column order in Thunderbird.  Because I've had so much trouble with this in the past, because I didn't know that a bump of the mouse was required, I've suggested that folks find a sighted assistant since this is generally a one-off activity.  At least now I know why I've had the difficulties I've had as I'd certainly not have expected the need for actual mouse use (or the equivalent via Golden Cursor), that's for sure.

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Re: Dragging and Dropping with NVDA

Brian Vogel
 

Quentin,

          Thanks much for that information.  One of the few instances where I've seen a need to use drag and drop via the keyboard is rearranging the displayed column order in Thunderbird.  Because I've had so much trouble with this in the past, because I didn't know that a bump of the mouse was required, I've suggested that folks find a sighted assistant since this is generally a one-off activity.  At least now I know why I've had the difficulties I've had as I'd certainly not have expected the need for actual mouse use (or the equivalent via Golden Cursor), that's for sure.

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Re: Dragging and Dropping with NVDA

Quentin Christensen
 

The drag and drop functionality doesn't seem to kick in until the mouse is moved.  If you route the mouse pointer over the file to copy, press shift+numpad divide (or NVDA+control+[ for folks using laptop keyboard layout), then either physically move the mouse, or use one of the keyboard options such as Golden Cursor to move the mouse, and THEN alt+tab to the other window, routing the mouse to wherever you need in that window and finally pressing shift+numpad divide to release the left button, it should work. 

Having said all that, unless it's something that really can't be done any other way, I'd generally recommend using keyboard commands to copy and paste etc.

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Wed, Apr 18, 2018 at 5:21 AM, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:
On Tue, Apr 17, 2018 at 11:07 am, Ralf Kefferpuetz wrote:
Put both windows beside on the screen and it will work as you described it.
 Just for the record, I did have a side-by-side arrangement of two File Explorer windows when I was doing my testing and the method originally described did not work.
 
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Re: Recommended braille displays for use with NVDA?

Jason White
 

On Apr 17, 2018, at 19:19, Rui Fontes <rui.fontes@tiflotecnia.com> wrote:

HIMS Braille Edge?
I’ve looked at one at a technology exhibition. I haven’t read many reports from users about the quality of their hardware. As I remember, there were issues reported with the HIMS driver recently on this list, but those appear to be in hand if I understand rightly.
Re: Recommended braille displays for use with NVDA?

Jason White
 

Yes, actually, they’re on my list of possibilities. The in-house models manufactured by HumanWare have been around for a while. I don’t know whether they’re planning an update soon. However, I’ve heard positive comments about HumanWare’s hardware from elsewhere, too.

On Apr 17, 2018, at 17:41, James AUSTIN <james.londonsw15@gmail.com> wrote:

Have you considered a Brailliant from Humanware? They used i believe to get their displays from Baum, before they took production in-house. Their displays are extremely sturdy and crisp.

Best wishes

James


On 17/04/2018 22:26, Jason White via Groups.Io wrote:
Unfortunately, yes, Baum is in financial difficulty and currently isn't
operating.

I have owned two of their displays over the years, both excellent. It seems
that I'll have to look elsewhere for my next display, though. I've been doing
the research but have not yet made the final decision.

Rui Fontes <rui.fontes@tiflotecnia.com> wrote:
Hello!
Atention, BAUM is closed since begining of 2018 due to bankrupcy...

Rui

Às 20:33 de 17/04/2018, Angela Delicata escreveu:
I have Vario Ultra made by Baum which is a German factory... It is very
god with nvda: it works well.



Il 17/04/2018 18:25, Jason White via Groups.Io ha scritto:
Are there any braille displays that are particularly well supported
by NVDA,
including the BrailleExtender add-on and its assignment of keyboard
functions
to braille display keys?

Are there any braille display vendors who have been especially
cooperative
with the NVDA project?

I wish to take this into account in a personal purchasing decision, among
other factors, so I thought I should ask here.
Re: Recommended braille displays for use with NVDA?

Rui Fontes
 

HIMS Braille Edge?

Rui Fontes


Às 22:26 de 17/04/2018, Jason White via Groups.Io escreveu:

Unfortunately, yes, Baum is in financial difficulty and currently isn't
operating.
I have owned two of their displays over the years, both excellent. It seems
that I'll have to look elsewhere for my next display, though. I've been doing
the research but have not yet made the final decision.
Rui Fontes <rui.fontes@tiflotecnia.com> wrote:
Hello!
Atention, BAUM is closed since begining of 2018 due to bankrupcy...

Rui

Às 20:33 de 17/04/2018, Angela Delicata escreveu:
I have  Vario Ultra made by Baum which is a German factory... It is very
god with nvda: it works well.



Il 17/04/2018 18:25, Jason White via Groups.Io ha scritto:
Are there any braille displays that are particularly well supported
by NVDA,
including the BrailleExtender add-on and its assignment of keyboard
functions
to braille display keys?

Are there any braille display vendors who have been especially
cooperative
with the NVDA project?

I wish to take this into account in a personal purchasing decision, among
other factors, so I thought I should ask here.







.
Re: Recommended braille displays for use with NVDA?

Brandon Cross <bcross3286@...>
 

I have just bought a Brailliant Bi-40 second hand, it is a very nice display. I cannot get it to work in USB mode though with NVDA, it will work in bluetooth mode, but USB, only if I turn the protocol option to OpenBraille. This is fine, but I cannot also update the firmware, or check for updates with the tool, because it says it cannot find the virtual com port, I've tried removing and installing the driver several times to no avail. I wanted to check if there are any newer firmwares because the bluetooth is kind of on the slightly less than good side of good. It's ok, but it keeps having issues where it will not respond, then it does and everything that was queued up will start going through.

On Tue, Apr 17, 2018 at 5:41 PM, James AUSTIN <james.londonsw15@...> wrote:
Have you considered a Brailliant from Humanware? They used i believe to get their displays from Baum, before they took production in-house.  Their displays are extremely sturdy  and crisp.

Best wishes

James



On 17/04/2018 22:26, Jason White via Groups.Io wrote:
Unfortunately, yes, Baum is in financial difficulty and currently isn't
operating.

I have owned two of their displays over the years, both excellent. It seems
that I'll have to look elsewhere for my next display, though. I've been doing
the research but have not yet made the final decision.

Rui Fontes <rui.fontes@...> wrote:
Hello!
Atention, BAUM is closed since begining of 2018 due to bankrupcy...

Rui

Às 20:33 de 17/04/2018, Angela Delicata escreveu:
I have  Vario Ultra made by Baum which is a German factory... It is very
god with nvda: it works well.



Il 17/04/2018 18:25, Jason White via Groups.Io ha scritto:
Are there any braille displays that are particularly well supported
by NVDA,
including the BrailleExtender add-on and its assignment of keyboard
functions
to braille display keys?

Are there any braille display vendors who have been especially
cooperative
with the NVDA project?

I wish to take this into account in a personal purchasing decision, among
other factors, so I thought I should ask here.
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