You also can buy online on our webpage, www.vocalizer-nvda.com.

In that page you can find other vendors on Italy...

Regards,

Rui Fontes
Tiflotecnia, Lda.


Às 17:47 de 14/04/2018, Angela Delicata escreveu:

Ah, I know the person at least by name. I don't think he will answer me, but I may try other ways.

I may ask other friends I have here in Italy...

Thank you for replying, any answer is always useful.


All the best.

Angela from Italy


Il 14/04/2018 17:28, Rui Fontes ha scritto:

Hello!

In Italy you can contact with:
Simone Dal Maso
simone.dalmaso@gmail.com

Best regards,

Rui Fontes
Tiflotecnia, Lda.


Às 15:27 de 14/04/2018, Angela Delicata escreveu:

Hi,

I would like to have nvda use  Italian voice Federica made by vocalizer, but I do not know how to buy it and how much it would be...

Please, let me know and eventually write off list to better explain.

Ciao and thanks.






.

I don't like the way book marks are laid out and I tried using the book marks search feature but, at least in the version I tried it with, the feature appeared to be inaccessible.  I also don't like the lack of short cut and accellerator keys for some items in menus.  It's been years since Chrome has been around and the google accessibility developers still haven't implemented a short cut or accelerator command for book marks, at least as far as I know.  I haven't followed Chrome much for awhile.

 

In addition, though I don't use history much, I still don't want it displayed as a web page when I do use it. 

 

I regularly use the book marks search feature in firefox and I find it so useful that I never organize book marks any longer.  If a book mark isn't conveniently available where it is, I use the search feature. 

 

As far as settings are concerned, I'm not sure if I have an opinion about which I prefer, the firefox layout or the Chrome web page layout.  But for me, history and book marks are important enough that I use firefox.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Christopher-Mark Gilland

Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2018 6:41 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Chrome's interface was: RE: [nvda] any one on here use f123 chrome extention?

Gene,

 

This poses an interesting debate. I’ve also changed the subject line to better reflect.

 

You say you don’t like the Chrome interface. To be very clear/honest, neither did I at first, but the more I’ve been using Chrome, the more I’m growing to swear by it!

 

I’m just curious what exactly you don’t care for. Is it the fact that things are now mainly laid out in web views instead of multi tab dialogs? If so, that through me for a bit of a loop as well at first until I got used to it, so yeah. That would be a fair statement if so.

 

Chris.

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of The Wolf
Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2018 7:38 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] any one on here use f123 chrome extention?

 

thank you for that explanation

Hank

On 4/14/2018 4:35 PM, Gene wrote:

Whatever else may have used that or a similar name, F123 is an add on for both Firefox and Chrome.  I haven't used it.  I suspect that oddities encountered are the result of the add on but, without testing, that's just my suspicion.  I don't like the Chrome interface but in terms of working with web pages, I've found browse mode to work just about the same as in firefox and Internet Explorer.  Occasionally, there will be a difference, such as one screen-reader reading different text on a control because it's looking at different text in the control, but in general, I find that browse mode is browse mode. 

 

You can turn the add on offf in Chrome and still leave it installed.  It's been a long time since I've played with this, but if you want to experiment and if someone else doesn't give the procedure, I can look again.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Christopher-Mark Gilland

Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2018 6:26 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] any one on here use f123 chrome extention?

 

First, it may help if instead of just saying "weird quirks" if you can tell us what specifically those things are, so we can have a better feel for how to assist.

Second, did I perhaps miss something here? I thought F123 was a really old, and all be it also, very dead last I looked, distro of Linux that was made specifically for the blind. And before anyone gets OT asking me, no, I don't know if the packages included with it would be up to date, nor how far a sudo apt[get update would take you. I don't even know if apt is included. It might use either yum, or pacman. Anyway, that's not for this list though, so I digress. Point is, it's pretty old, but as far as a Chrome extension with that name, I'm curious what this thing does.

Chris.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of The Wolf
Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2018 5:52 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io; blindtech@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] any one on here use f123 chrome extention?

Hello does any one use this chrome add on?
I am noticing some weird quirks and I can't tell if it is chrome or the add on.
thanks
Hank
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Just now I noticed that the context menus had stopped reading as often can happen on exiting a misbehaving bit of software, but that is not the thrust of this.
I'm using windows 7 and I decided to log off then log in to me again as this usually fixes the problem.
Having done this though I then found that I could not bring up the nvda menu.
The only way for fixing this was to restart nvda. The nvda did not terminate it just was closed forcible as one could see in the log. Then restart again. I've since tried this several times logging off then on again with exactly the same results.
I'm using windows 7 64 and nvda latest master version as installed copy.

This reminded me of the old xp issue of it thinking an nvda window was there and hence decide not to do anything.
Brian

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hi.
i use nvda version 2016 too!
just find the link which says download or scan and download and save
your file in your computer.

On 4/16/18, David Russell <david.sonofhashem@gmail.com> wrote:

Hello NVDA Users,

In 2013 or '14, Google made a major change in the way attachments are
viewed in GMail. Or, such is the case on my computer using Windows
Seven and now, a version of FireFox that doesn't take the latest data
fixes that come down the pipe.
Will NVDA Central, or whatever the site is called, offer one tutorials
on how to open attachments in GMail with hot key commands, or can
someone recommend another comparable site to get step-by-step
commands?
I am not a mouse user. I am using the 2016 version of NVDA and happy with
it!
I can View as HTML, but would like to view the actual attached RTF
document as this is an edited manuscript for a book.
Thanks in advance.

--
David Russell
david.sonofhashem@gmail.com

--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali

Hello NVDA Users,

In 2013 or '14, Google made a major change in the way attachments are
viewed in GMail. Or, such is the case on my computer using Windows
Seven and now, a version of FireFox that doesn't take the latest data
fixes that come down the pipe.
Will NVDA Central, or whatever the site is called, offer one tutorials
on how to open attachments in GMail with hot key commands, or can
someone recommend another comparable site to get step-by-step
commands?
I am not a mouse user. I am using the 2016 version of NVDA and happy with it!
I can View as HTML, but would like to view the actual attached RTF
document as this is an edited manuscript for a book.
Thanks in advance.

--
David Russell
david.sonofhashem@gmail.com

Hello NVDA Users,

In 2013 or '14, Google made a major change in the way attachments are
viewed in GMail. Or, such is the case on my computer using Windows
Seven and now, a version of FireFox that doesn't take the latest data
fixes that come down the pipe.
Will NVDA Central, or whatever the site is called, offer one tutorials
on how to open attachments in GMail with hot key commands, or can
someone recommend another comparable site to get step-by-step
commands?
I am not a mouse user. I am using the 2016 version of NVDA and happy with it!
I can View as HTML, but would like to view the actual attached RTF
document as this is an edited manuscript for a book.
Thanks in advance.

--
David Russell
david.sonofhashem@gmail.com

hi.
is there a method to desable automatic update to windows ten for
windows 7 users?
i have many friends who use windows seven.
how about windows vista?
is disabling automatic update also removes updating to windows ten?

On 4/16/18, Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@outlook.co.nz> wrote:

Hi


is it asking for a product key and giveing you a 30 day count down?


I think i have a machine here which has windows 10 which is unregisted from
scratch as it did not get the free upgrade because it had vista on it and it
is still going.


I also had a friend who upgraded not all that long ago from windows 7 using
assistive tec and no registration or payment required no water marks etc as
well.



Gene nz


On 4/16/2018 10:25 AM, Jessica D wrote:
Hi,
I'm proud to say, that as of this afternoon, I updated to Windows 10,
without speech, using "seeing AI" on my iphone.
All I need now, is a product key.
My computer is very fast now.



Thanks,
Jessica


On Apr 15, 2018, at 6:13 PM, Brian Vogel
<britechguy@gmail.com<mailto:britechguy@gmail.com>> wrote:

Several observations:


1. If you have Windows 7 (any edition) and are still getting any sort of
"Upgrade to Windows 10" messages the only reason would be that your Windows
Update process is broken, since GWX [Get Windows X - Ten] was removed by
Windows Update on Windows 7 systems within a few weeks of the end of July
2016. That, or you or someone else set up something to intentionally block
Windows Updates (and many people did for GWX) that blocked the removal patch
from downloading and installing.
2. Even though the free update period is over officially, updates to
Windows 10 on Windows 7 and Windows 8/8.1 systems continues to work, at
least as of last week. You can use the method documented in: Updating
Windows 10 using the Windows 10 ISO
file<https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/wiki/windows_10-windows_install/how-to-upgrade-to-windows-10-creators-update/617a37da-8fc0-4f33-a3eb-59fe9082f925>;
3. The free Upgrade to Windows 10 for Users of Assistive
Technologies<https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/accessibility/windows10upgrade>;
ended as of 12/31/2017, as you'll see if you check out the webpage. You can
no longer download the Windows 10 ISO or use the Update Assistant from that
page.

--
Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1709, Build 16299 (dot level on
request - it changes too often to keep in signature)

The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement. But the
opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth.

~ Niels Bohr

--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali

Therein lies the advantage of IMAP: messages are not permanently deleted
from the server. Which means that even if you are using one device, when
that device is lost or crashes, you don't lose your email messages.
Also, with IMAP, setting up things like filters and creating of folders
can be done on the server and synced to your email client, rather than
setting them up for each device you use. There is one central server to
manage your email organisation such that you create a filter or folder
and forget about it for the next years or so, and your messages would be
distributed according to the rules you set.


IMAP also syncs all folders, rather than pulling messages from the inbox
only: which means you can choose to have all folders downloaded to your
email client.


As for Brian's advice, I think he was just advising: and like any
advice, a person is free to take it or leave it based on the information
available to them. So a person who renders advice will certainly do so
pointing out the obvious advantages and disadvantages to a particular
action, So the "should always use" in this context could be understood
in that context and not as a peremptory statement.

Gene:

If you set up a machine with an IMAP account and another e-mail
program on that machine or another is already using POP3 and is
automatically deleting messages from the server, there will be little
or nothing to download in the program using IMAP at the outset because
the other program will have been removing messages as that program
downloads them. So you will still have to import messages from your
other program if you want them in the new one even if you set up an
IMAP account.

Also, for people who don't use more than one device, computer or
whatever, to download e-mail, I don't know if IMAP is as convenient.
I don't use IMAP so I can't compare. But without more information,
the assumption that everyone should use IMAP shouldn't be made.

You didn't say everyone should use IMAP, but often in such
discussions, that is the impression given by the exchange of
messages. I'm saying that unless this is demonstrated, it shouldn't
be assumed by readers.

Gene
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Brian Vogel <mailto:britechguy@gmail.com>
*Sent:* Sunday, April 15, 2018 10:30 AM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] Email clients

Thunderbird has not been, in my experience, slow. It is also
configurable "out the wazoo" so you can eliminate seeing the vast
majority of the defaults you don't want to see if you look up how to
turn them off. When I've been installing Thunderbird for my blind and
VI clients I do not set up the calendar feature, Lightning, unless
they say they actually use an electronic calendar.

Also, if at all possible, when setting up e-mail accounts these days,
one should always use IMAP access. This eliminates the need to import
messages entirely when a new e-mail client is set up, since that
happens all on its own after the client syncs with the server.

It's also worth considering using your e-mail provider's webmail
interface, too.
--
Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1709, Build 16299 (dot
level on request - it changes too often to keep in signature)

*/ /**/The opposite of a correct statement is a false
statement./**/ But the opposite of a profound truth may well be
another/**/ profound truth./*

*/ ~ /**/Niels Bohr/*

Ho ho. Two things.
1 Imap does not support automatic sorting of emal on the users machine
2 webmail puts the design of the user interface beyond your control. Never a good thing for a vital communication tool.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Vogel" <britechguy@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2018 4:30 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Email clients


Thunderbird has not been, in my experience, slow. It is also configurable "out the wazoo" so you can eliminate seeing the vast majority of the defaults you don't want to see if you look up how to turn them off. When I've been installing Thunderbird for my blind and VI clients I do not set up the calendar feature, Lightning, unless they say they actually use an electronic calendar.

Also, if at all possible, when setting up e-mail accounts these days, one should always use IMAP access. This eliminates the need to import messages entirely when a new e-mail client is set up, since that happens all on its own after the client syncs with the server.

It's also worth considering using your e-mail provider's webmail interface, too.
--
Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1709, Build 16299 (dot level on request - it changes too often to keep in signature)

* * *The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement.* * But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another* * profound truth.*

* ~ * *Niels Bohr*

Hi


is it asking for a product key and giveing you a 30 day count down?


I think i have a machine here which has windows 10 which is unregisted from
scratch as it did not get the free upgrade because it had vista on it and it
is still going.


I also had a friend who upgraded not all that long ago from windows 7 using
assistive tec and no registration or payment required no water marks etc as
well.



Gene nz


On 4/16/2018 10:25 AM, Jessica D wrote:
Hi,
I'm proud to say, that as of this afternoon, I updated to Windows 10,
without speech, using "seeing AI" on my iphone.
All I need now, is a product key.
My computer is very fast now.



Thanks,
Jessica


On Apr 15, 2018, at 6:13 PM, Brian Vogel
<britechguy@gmail.com<mailto:britechguy@gmail.com>> wrote:

Several observations:


1. If you have Windows 7 (any edition) and are still getting any sort of
"Upgrade to Windows 10" messages the only reason would be that your Windows
Update process is broken, since GWX [Get Windows X - Ten] was removed by
Windows Update on Windows 7 systems within a few weeks of the end of July
2016. That, or you or someone else set up something to intentionally block
Windows Updates (and many people did for GWX) that blocked the removal patch
from downloading and installing.
2. Even though the free update period is over officially, updates to
Windows 10 on Windows 7 and Windows 8/8.1 systems continues to work, at
least as of last week. You can use the method documented in: Updating
Windows 10 using the Windows 10 ISO
file<https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/wiki/windows_10-windows_install/how-to-upgrade-to-windows-10-creators-update/617a37da-8fc0-4f33-a3eb-59fe9082f925>;
3. The free Upgrade to Windows 10 for Users of Assistive
Technologies<https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/accessibility/windows10upgrade>;
ended as of 12/31/2017, as you'll see if you check out the webpage. You can
no longer download the Windows 10 ISO or use the Update Assistant from that
page.

--
Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1709, Build 16299 (dot level on
request - it changes too often to keep in signature)

The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement. But the
opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth.

~ Niels Bohr

Hello NVDA Users,

In 2013 or '14, Google made a major change in the way attachments are
viewed in GMail. Or, such is the case on my computer using Windows
Seven and now, a version of FireFox that doesn't take the latest data
fixes that come down the pipe.
Will NVDA Central, or whatever the site is called, offer one tutorials
on how to open attachments in GMail with hot key commands, or can
someone recommend another comparable site to get step-by-step
commands?
I am not a mouse user. I am using the 2016 version of NVDA and happy with
it!
I can View as HTML, but would like to view the actual attached RTF
document as this is an edited manuscript for a book.
Thanks in advance.

--
David Russell
david.sonofhashem@gmail.com