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tina sohl <tinabir80@...>
 

Hi. Will this speech work in NVDA and the latest windows ten? Thanks

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He started something good,
and I'm gonna believe it.
He started something good,
and He's gonna complete it.
So I celebrate the truth,
His work in me ain't through.
I'm just unfinished.
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Re: FW: [win10] Version 1709 and beyond: screen readers must support uIA notification event in order to announce various things from apps #winten1803 #advisory #winten1709

 

didn't cobra screen reader die when the bomb usa closed down? at least I think that is the correct company

please email me off list so we don't stray off topic


On 2/24/2018 4:00 PM, Adriani Botez wrote:

Dear all, dear Joseph,

 

I was an user of Jaws, Window Eyes, Dolphin and Cobra. I had conversations with developers of any of these screen readers and I always got the impression that everyone wants to push his own concept of screen reading. Developers are trying to compete through different concepts. The biggest disadvantage of this approach is that users of these screen readers have a totally different perception of accessibility. Currently I am providing support for Cobra screen reader users who are changing to NVDA. And I am so glad to be in this community! I mean, NVDA tries to put all accessibility concepts into one standard which is very important. This is why NVDA users would cope with almost every screen reader but it is not so easy for users of other screen readers to change to NVDA. The reason is that user of other screen readers would have to learn more concepts of getting information digitally.

 

In my view, it was a very big step backwards to make a commercial product out of screen readers which should actually provide a high standard for accessibility. Instead of a common standard approach, we have thousants of users who understand accessibility in very different ways. This makes it difficult for Microsoft and other API providers to consider all these requirements.

 

I can understand that Microsoft cannot answer questions properly because they get lots of different perspectives. And this is the second reason why our community must grow and show that we have a common understanding regarding accessibility. NV Access has to play its important consultant role in conversations with software developers, and ideally other screen reader developers should cooperate with each other to achieve a good standard.

 

But unfortunately we still have a big debate between screen reader users and developers. Many users think that screen reader development can only take place if we have many screen readers. But in fact this would be the wrong way because this would be a break to improvements.

On the other hand developers of commercial screen readers are focusing on their product and do not have open eyes for other concepts of other screen readers. So, they try to keep their conceptual background away from going public, which could happen if they disclose important technical information to Microsoft etc.

 

I thank you Joseph for your crucial work and for your engagement in this community. We rely on developers like you when it comes to accessibility.

 

 

Best

Adriani

 

 

Von: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] Im Auftrag von Joseph Lee
Gesendet: Samstag, 24. Februar 2018 18:59
An: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Betreff: Re: [nvda] FW: [win10] Version 1709 and beyond: screen readers must support uIA notification event in order to announce various things from apps #ADVISORY #WinTen1709 #WinTen1803

 

Hi,

No, Jenny is still around and leading accessibility efforts at Microsoft.

In response to a post regarding MS slipping back to dark ages: in this context (the overall thread), both sides (MS and screen reader vendors) are at fault: Microsoft for not communicating things well, and screen reader vendors taking a while to respond. At least NVDA is taking the lead in responding back.

As for what’s going on behind the scenes: NVDA did not respond to UIA notification events. We did have means of tracking it for a while (via an add-on), but it wasn’t until yesterday that we began responding properly (again via an add-on update). For those who know where this is going: yes, NVDA will read UIA notification text starting next week once Windows 10 App Essentials 18.03 is released. But this is just a start: I’m using that ad-on to field test what will eventually be edits to NVDA screen reader source code to let NVDA announce notifications without help from an add-on or two (and I’m working on both of these at the moment). This is the reason why I put “yellow light” for NVDA because work is in progress to let NVDA announce notifications.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Robert Kingett
Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2018 5:45 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] FW: [win10] Version 1709 and beyond: screen readers must support uIA notification event in order to announce various things from apps #ADVISORY #WinTen1709 #WinTen1803

 

From what I have read, they lost her. I don't see her name on anything recent when I do a Google search. I'm not completely certain though and, yeah. I hear you. XP still is the best thing Microsoft created.



Re: FW: [win10] Version 1709 and beyond: screen readers must support uIA notification event in order to announce various things from apps #winten1803 #advisory #winten1709

Adriani Botez
 

I wish we could discuss with Microsoft about future of accessibility APIs on NVDACon. That would be a great opportunity to bring cooperations a step forward.

 

Best

Adriani

 

Von: Adriani Botez [mailto:adriani.botez@...]
Gesendet: Sonntag, 25. Februar 2018 00:01
An: 'nvda@nvda.groups.io' <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Betreff: AW: [nvda] FW: [win10] Version 1709 and beyond: screen readers must support uIA notification event in order to announce various things from apps #ADVISORY #WinTen1709 #WinTen1803

 

Dear all, dear Joseph,

 

I was an user of Jaws, Window Eyes, Dolphin and Cobra. I had conversations with developers of any of these screen readers and I always got the impression that everyone wants to push his own concept of screen reading. Developers are trying to compete through different concepts. The biggest disadvantage of this approach is that users of these screen readers have a totally different perception of accessibility. Currently I am providing support for Cobra screen reader users who are changing to NVDA. And I am so glad to be in this community! I mean, NVDA tries to put all accessibility concepts into one standard which is very important. This is why NVDA users would cope with almost every screen reader but it is not so easy for users of other screen readers to change to NVDA. The reason is that user of other screen readers would have to learn more concepts of getting information digitally.

 

In my view, it was a very big step backwards to make a commercial product out of screen readers which should actually provide a high standard for accessibility. Instead of a common standard approach, we have thousants of users who understand accessibility in very different ways. This makes it difficult for Microsoft and other API providers to consider all these requirements.

 

I can understand that Microsoft cannot answer questions properly because they get lots of different perspectives. And this is the second reason why our community must grow and show that we have a common understanding regarding accessibility. NV Access has to play its important consultant role in conversations with software developers, and ideally other screen reader developers should cooperate with each other to achieve a good standard.

 

But unfortunately we still have a big debate between screen reader users and developers. Many users think that screen reader development can only take place if we have many screen readers. But in fact this would be the wrong way because this would be a break to improvements.

On the other hand developers of commercial screen readers are focusing on their product and do not have open eyes for other concepts of other screen readers. So, they try to keep their conceptual background away from going public, which could happen if they disclose important technical information to Microsoft etc.

 

I thank you Joseph for your crucial work and for your engagement in this community. We rely on developers like you when it comes to accessibility.

 

 

Best

Adriani

 

 

Von: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] Im Auftrag von Joseph Lee
Gesendet: Samstag, 24. Februar 2018 18:59
An: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Betreff: Re: [nvda] FW: [win10] Version 1709 and beyond: screen readers must support uIA notification event in order to announce various things from apps #ADVISORY #WinTen1709 #WinTen1803

 

Hi,

No, Jenny is still around and leading accessibility efforts at Microsoft.

In response to a post regarding MS slipping back to dark ages: in this context (the overall thread), both sides (MS and screen reader vendors) are at fault: Microsoft for not communicating things well, and screen reader vendors taking a while to respond. At least NVDA is taking the lead in responding back.

As for what’s going on behind the scenes: NVDA did not respond to UIA notification events. We did have means of tracking it for a while (via an add-on), but it wasn’t until yesterday that we began responding properly (again via an add-on update). For those who know where this is going: yes, NVDA will read UIA notification text starting next week once Windows 10 App Essentials 18.03 is released. But this is just a start: I’m using that ad-on to field test what will eventually be edits to NVDA screen reader source code to let NVDA announce notifications without help from an add-on or two (and I’m working on both of these at the moment). This is the reason why I put “yellow light” for NVDA because work is in progress to let NVDA announce notifications.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Robert Kingett
Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2018 5:45 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] FW: [win10] Version 1709 and beyond: screen readers must support uIA notification event in order to announce various things from apps #ADVISORY #WinTen1709 #WinTen1803

 

From what I have read, they lost her. I don't see her name on anything recent when I do a Google search. I'm not completely certain though and, yeah. I hear you. XP still is the best thing Microsoft created.


Re: FW: [win10] Version 1709 and beyond: screen readers mustsupport uIA notification event in order to announce various things from apps#ADVISORY #winten1709 #winten1803

Adriani Botez
 

Hello Felix and all,

 

I am really asking myself how much time will Microsoft invest in developing Narator? We see in case of Voice Over no development since many years.

 

Jaws seems to concentrate more and more on Chrome, my last answer regarding Firefox was that it is not of high priority because there are other alternatives on the market. The same answer has been given regarding Edge.

 

I see NVDA as the only community which will support almost all browsers in the future. If you look on Github, you will se lots of issues regarding every browser. This indicates that the demand is big when it comes to different browsers. Users of NVDA are not mostly focused on only one or two browsers.

 

 

Best

Adriani

 

 

Von: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] Im Auftrag von Felix G.
Gesendet: Samstag, 24. Februar 2018 13:14
An: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Betreff: Re: [nvda] FW: [win10] Version 1709 and beyond: screen readers mustsupport uIA notification event in order to announce various things from apps#ADVISORY #WinTen1709 #WinTen1803

 

Hi!

Narrator seems to have gotten snappier in recent versions. My main problem with it is that it limits my browser choice, and screen readers should strive not to do that.

Best,

Felix

 

mattias <mjonsson1986@...> schrieb am Sa., 24. Feb. 2018 um 11:46 Uhr:

Narrator to slow and clunky?

What do you meen with clunky?

Skickades från E-post för Windows 10

 

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Ämne: Re: [nvda] FW: [win10] Version 1709 and beyond: screen readers mustsupport uIA notification event in order to announce various things from apps#ADVISORY #WinTen1709 #WinTen1803

 

It seems to me like Microsoft are slipping back into the ways that got them

into the brown sticky stuff with edge. Ie changing things and putting out

releases with no advisory to the screenreader community of a big change in

the system. we have seen it in Skype recently too. Somebody over there at

Microsoft needs to get a better grip on changes that affect access software

and not merely assume narrator is all that matters.

 

Narrator is still too slow and clunky to use every day.

I was going to get a windows 10 machine but until they stop messing about

I'm sorely tempted to stay old fashioned!

 

Have they lost that Jenny whats her name from the accessibility management

who seemed to do a good job before?

Brian

 

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in the display name field.

----- Original Message -----

From: "Joseph Lee" <joseph.lee22590@...>

To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>

Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 5:46 PM

Subject: [nvda] FW: [win10] Version 1709 and beyond: screen readers must

support uIA notification event in order to announce various things from apps

#ADVISORY #WinTen1709 #WinTen1803

 

 

> Hi all,

> First, apologies for mentioning competition, but I felt it is best to do

> so

> given the overall context. Second, the advisory is deemed major (to severe

> for some cases) and is applicable for people running Windows 10 Fall

> Creators Update and beyond. The source of this advisory is a Win10 forum

> hosted on Groups.IO at https://win10.groups.io/g/win10.

> Thanks.

> From: win10@win10.groups.io [mailto:win10@win10.groups.io] On Behalf Of

> Joseph Lee

> Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 9:42 AM

> To: win10@win10.groups.io

> Subject: [win10] Version 1709 and beyond: screen readers must support uIA

> notification event in order to announce various things from apps #ADVISORY

> #WinTen1709 #WinTen1803

> Hi everyone,

> The following advisory is considered major in that it impacts all known

> screen readers )except for one or two; feel free to pass this on, although

> please do cite where you've got the advisory from):

> Problem: notifications from apps such as Calculator, Microsoft Store and

> others are not announced by screen readers.

> Background: in Windows 10 Version 1709 and later, if apps are written

> correctly, they can send notification texts to be announced by screen

> readers. A UIA client such as a screen reader must be able to catch this

> in

> order to announce certain notifications, including Calculator's display

> window, app update status in Microsoft Store, various notifications from

> Edge, Alarms and Clock and other apps.

> Steps to reproduce:

> 1. While using Windows 10 Version 1709 or later (including current

> Insider Preview builds), launch an app such as Alarms and Clock (be sure

> it

> is the latest version).

> 2. In case of Alarms and Clock, go to Stopwatch tab and start and stop

> the stopwatch.

> 3. For Calculator, do some calculations.

> Expected: screen reader announces messages such as "Stopwatch stopped" in

> Alarms and Clock and "display is something" in Calculator.

> Actual: only Narrator announces such texts.

> Cause: other screen readers do not track UIA notification event. This is

> due

> to the fact that Version 1709 introduces this event, which requires

> tracking

> a newer UIA interface.

> Known solutions/mitigations/workarounds and impact:

> * Narrator: green light/okay; works out of the box (requires Version

> 1709 and later).

> * JAWS for Windows: red light/major; no support (version 2018.1802.78

> did not solve the Calculator display text problem, for instance).

> * NonVisual Desktop Access: yellow light/solution being tested

> (through an add-on update).

> This advisory will be closed once major screen readers (in addition to the

> three listed above) provides at least a basic solution.

> Cheers,

> Joseph

>

 

 

 

 


Re: FW: [win10] Version 1709 and beyond: screen readers must support uIA notification event in order to announce various things from apps #winten1803 #advisory #winten1709

Adriani Botez
 

Dear all, dear Joseph,

 

I was an user of Jaws, Window Eyes, Dolphin and Cobra. I had conversations with developers of any of these screen readers and I always got the impression that everyone wants to push his own concept of screen reading. Developers are trying to compete through different concepts. The biggest disadvantage of this approach is that users of these screen readers have a totally different perception of accessibility. Currently I am providing support for Cobra screen reader users who are changing to NVDA. And I am so glad to be in this community! I mean, NVDA tries to put all accessibility concepts into one standard which is very important. This is why NVDA users would cope with almost every screen reader but it is not so easy for users of other screen readers to change to NVDA. The reason is that user of other screen readers would have to learn more concepts of getting information digitally.

 

In my view, it was a very big step backwards to make a commercial product out of screen readers which should actually provide a high standard for accessibility. Instead of a common standard approach, we have thousants of users who understand accessibility in very different ways. This makes it difficult for Microsoft and other API providers to consider all these requirements.

 

I can understand that Microsoft cannot answer questions properly because they get lots of different perspectives. And this is the second reason why our community must grow and show that we have a common understanding regarding accessibility. NV Access has to play its important consultant role in conversations with software developers, and ideally other screen reader developers should cooperate with each other to achieve a good standard.

 

But unfortunately we still have a big debate between screen reader users and developers. Many users think that screen reader development can only take place if we have many screen readers. But in fact this would be the wrong way because this would be a break to improvements.

On the other hand developers of commercial screen readers are focusing on their product and do not have open eyes for other concepts of other screen readers. So, they try to keep their conceptual background away from going public, which could happen if they disclose important technical information to Microsoft etc.

 

I thank you Joseph for your crucial work and for your engagement in this community. We rely on developers like you when it comes to accessibility.

 

 

Best

Adriani

 

 

Von: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] Im Auftrag von Joseph Lee
Gesendet: Samstag, 24. Februar 2018 18:59
An: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Betreff: Re: [nvda] FW: [win10] Version 1709 and beyond: screen readers must support uIA notification event in order to announce various things from apps #ADVISORY #WinTen1709 #WinTen1803

 

Hi,

No, Jenny is still around and leading accessibility efforts at Microsoft.

In response to a post regarding MS slipping back to dark ages: in this context (the overall thread), both sides (MS and screen reader vendors) are at fault: Microsoft for not communicating things well, and screen reader vendors taking a while to respond. At least NVDA is taking the lead in responding back.

As for what’s going on behind the scenes: NVDA did not respond to UIA notification events. We did have means of tracking it for a while (via an add-on), but it wasn’t until yesterday that we began responding properly (again via an add-on update). For those who know where this is going: yes, NVDA will read UIA notification text starting next week once Windows 10 App Essentials 18.03 is released. But this is just a start: I’m using that ad-on to field test what will eventually be edits to NVDA screen reader source code to let NVDA announce notifications without help from an add-on or two (and I’m working on both of these at the moment). This is the reason why I put “yellow light” for NVDA because work is in progress to let NVDA announce notifications.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Robert Kingett
Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2018 5:45 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] FW: [win10] Version 1709 and beyond: screen readers must support uIA notification event in order to announce various things from apps #ADVISORY #WinTen1709 #WinTen1803

 

From what I have read, they lost her. I don't see her name on anything recent when I do a Google search. I'm not completely certain though and, yeah. I hear you. XP still is the best thing Microsoft created.


Re: question

Hareth
 

I forgot to say,
the Save in different channel, is optional by a checkmark.
and my sound card doesn't support the old stereo mix recording, but
some how this app just like virtual recorder does the job for me.

On 2/25/18, Hareth <hareth4m@...> wrote:
You're welcome,
It does indeed record's what you here, and like stereo mix
you can set it to do that or to combine and records everything going
with the sound card,
in its setting it has the following options to choose from:

Recording from
for Windows XP for Vista, Win7, Win8, etc.
Record input voice (from Microphone)
Record output voice (from Computer), this one is what you here.

Record both in and out Voice, this one is every audio channel going
with the sound card, like sterio mix
Save in different channel, this one is to put the mic input in a
channel, and the speaker output in another one, as in left or right.
Hope it helps



On 2/24/18, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
Thanks for the information.

that program has some features some people might want such as recording
incoming and outgoing audio in different channels. I looked at the
information on the web site. But it doesn't appear to support recording
what you hear when the soundcard doesn't support it. I believe it's
referred to as loopback. The Virtual Recorder portable program I
referred
to in a previous message does support loopback and it's a very simple
program to use. Those who want the loopback feature can very easily get
it
by using this program.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Hareth
Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2018 1:25 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] question


Gene,
this URL, for an mp3 recorder that will do:
audio input, and playback, or both recording.
its simple and accessible.
If you like give it a try:
http://www.coksoft.com/mp3recorder.htm


On 2/24/18, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
We might get more information.

While some programs let you record in that way, others don't. I don't
know
which do other than Audacity and virtual Recorder.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: The Gamages via Groups.Io
Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2018 10:36 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] question


Hello Gene,

Yes in effect, let’s take Audacity as it is a free program, to set it to
record everything regardless of soundcard settings, press Alt and right
arrow to edit, up arrow to preferences and press enter, go to the top of
the
list which is “devices and tab, arrow down to Windows WA sappie and then
tab
on to OK and press enter.
This will give the equivilent of “what you hear”.
I can give more detailed information if necessary, such as saving in MP3
format for which you need the lame mp3 encoder to be installed, also
free.
I would still like to know where the actual file is located as I am
curious
by nature.

Best Regards, Jim.

From: Gene
Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2018 3:17 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] question

Are you describing recording what you hear as the file plays or
something
else such as you can do in replay audio? A lot of recording programs
can't
do what replay audio and Total Recorder can do. If the person wants to
record what his sound card is playing, I can recommend a very simple
program
with which he can very likely do this. To be sure what settings he
should
use, I'd need to know what version of Windows he has and whether it has
a
what you hear or a stereo mix option. Even if it doesn't. he probably
can
do this but we would have to know what version of Windows is being used.

Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: The Gamages via Groups.Io
Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2018 8:36 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] question

If all else fails and as a last resort, find your file in the browser
and
focus on it,open an audio editor such as Sound forge, Goldwave or
audacity
and start it recording, alt and tab back to your file and press enter,
let
it finish and then go back to the audio editor and stop it, you can then
save this file in whatever format you want.
You must make sure that the audio editor is set to accept input from the
internet.
Perhaps a bit long winded, but it will always work and I have done it on
many occasions.
Best Regards, Jim.

From: Gene
Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2018 2:12 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] question

In order to help, we need details. What browser are you using? When
you
press enter on the file, does it play in the browser or open another
program? Is the file actually referred to as a podcast? We don't know,
at
this point, if the file is being played as it is fully downloaded into
the
browser or a player or if it is a stream that only plays part of the
file,
overwrites what it has played as it plays move.

Can you give the address of the page where the file link is?
Gene

From: anthony borg
Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2018 7:30 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] question

Hi gene

Your explanation is quite right. There isn’t any file to download but to
play it on the website.

Regards

Anthony



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 24 February 2018 11:03
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] question



I discussed the file type briefly but my main point is that using the
context menu will allow you to save files on some sites and not on
others.
this is not related to the file type, it's how the site is constructed.



We don't know, but my guess is that, in this case, Internet Explorer is
being used and the file opens in Windows Media player, hence the
question
of
how to save from there.



In the context of other browsers, not the archaic Internet Explorer, the
file is played in the browser when you press enter on the link. If you
are
on a site where save target as or equivalent doesn't work, you need to
know
that you can use the command control s while the file is playing, and
save
it while in the browser in that way.



Of course, that presupposes that you are dealing with an actual file
that
is
playing from the site as a file, and not a stream. The stream plays a
little of a file and then refreshes the buffer in the browser or player
but
the entire file is never available. Just a little bit ahead of where
you
are listening. It can't be saved because it is a stream, not a file
playing
as a file from the web site. Since this is called a podcast in the
question, the odds are that it is an actual file being played from the
web
site, not a stream as I am using the word.



Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: The Gamages via Groups.Io

Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2018 2:29 AM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] question



Hello Gene,



If you read my message again, I do say, “We don’t know what kind of
file
it
is so can’t be specific”,

It’s worth a try anyway, if the original questioner could say exactly
what
podcast is to be downloaded, that would be better.

As you rightly say,that is why you asked questions.

Best Regards, Jim.



From: Gene

Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 7:57 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] question



That is one way you can save many files. But it is important to know
other
ways as well. Some sites don't support downloading files in that way.
That's why I asked questions such as whether the file opens in Windows
media
Player.



Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: The Gamages via Groups.Io

Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 1:51 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] question



Hello,



Pressing enter on the link will probably open it, if it’s to be
downloaded,
try the context menu, [key to the left of the right control key on a
standard keyboard], you get options including maybe “save as” or “save
target as”, this should bring up the normal save as dialogue and the
file
can be saved to a folder, from there it cvan be opened in a program such
as
Windows media player.

We don’t know what kindof file it is so can’t be specific, I hope this
helps
and good luck.







Best Regards, Jim.



From: Gene

Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 1:38 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] question



But when you press enter on the link, what happens? Does it play In
Media
Player? I believe someone described how to download a file such as a
podcast playing in Windows Media Player. But before that method is of
any
use to you, does the file open in the player?



Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: anthony borg

Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 7:15 AM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] question



Hi gene

It is on a website. And I want to download a copy of it. Thanks in
advance

Anthony



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 22 February 2018 18:08
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] question



How are you getting to the podcast in the first place? Is it playing in
Media Player?



Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: anthony borg

Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2018 10:34 AM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: [nvda] question



Hi folks

Can somebody explain to me how to download a podcast from the internet
using
windows media player please?

Thanks in advance

Anthony





Re: question

Hareth
 

You're welcome,
It does indeed record's what you here, and like stereo mix
you can set it to do that or to combine and records everything going
with the sound card,
in its setting it has the following options to choose from:

Recording from
for Windows XP for Vista, Win7, Win8, etc.
Record input voice (from Microphone)
Record output voice (from Computer), this one is what you here.

Record both in and out Voice, this one is every audio channel going
with the sound card, like sterio mix
Save in different channel, this one is to put the mic input in a
channel, and the speaker output in another one, as in left or right.
Hope it helps

On 2/24/18, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
Thanks for the information.

that program has some features some people might want such as recording
incoming and outgoing audio in different channels. I looked at the
information on the web site. But it doesn't appear to support recording
what you hear when the soundcard doesn't support it. I believe it's
referred to as loopback. The Virtual Recorder portable program I referred
to in a previous message does support loopback and it's a very simple
program to use. Those who want the loopback feature can very easily get it
by using this program.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Hareth
Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2018 1:25 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] question


Gene,
this URL, for an mp3 recorder that will do:
audio input, and playback, or both recording.
its simple and accessible.
If you like give it a try:
http://www.coksoft.com/mp3recorder.htm


On 2/24/18, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
We might get more information.

While some programs let you record in that way, others don't. I don't
know
which do other than Audacity and virtual Recorder.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: The Gamages via Groups.Io
Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2018 10:36 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] question


Hello Gene,

Yes in effect, let’s take Audacity as it is a free program, to set it to
record everything regardless of soundcard settings, press Alt and right
arrow to edit, up arrow to preferences and press enter, go to the top of
the
list which is “devices and tab, arrow down to Windows WA sappie and then
tab
on to OK and press enter.
This will give the equivilent of “what you hear”.
I can give more detailed information if necessary, such as saving in MP3
format for which you need the lame mp3 encoder to be installed, also
free.
I would still like to know where the actual file is located as I am
curious
by nature.

Best Regards, Jim.

From: Gene
Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2018 3:17 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] question

Are you describing recording what you hear as the file plays or something
else such as you can do in replay audio? A lot of recording programs
can't
do what replay audio and Total Recorder can do. If the person wants to
record what his sound card is playing, I can recommend a very simple
program
with which he can very likely do this. To be sure what settings he
should
use, I'd need to know what version of Windows he has and whether it has a
what you hear or a stereo mix option. Even if it doesn't. he probably
can
do this but we would have to know what version of Windows is being used.

Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: The Gamages via Groups.Io
Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2018 8:36 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] question

If all else fails and as a last resort, find your file in the browser and
focus on it,open an audio editor such as Sound forge, Goldwave or
audacity
and start it recording, alt and tab back to your file and press enter,
let
it finish and then go back to the audio editor and stop it, you can then
save this file in whatever format you want.
You must make sure that the audio editor is set to accept input from the
internet.
Perhaps a bit long winded, but it will always work and I have done it on
many occasions.
Best Regards, Jim.

From: Gene
Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2018 2:12 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] question

In order to help, we need details. What browser are you using? When you
press enter on the file, does it play in the browser or open another
program? Is the file actually referred to as a podcast? We don't know,
at
this point, if the file is being played as it is fully downloaded into
the
browser or a player or if it is a stream that only plays part of the
file,
overwrites what it has played as it plays move.

Can you give the address of the page where the file link is?
Gene

From: anthony borg
Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2018 7:30 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] question

Hi gene

Your explanation is quite right. There isn’t any file to download but to
play it on the website.

Regards

Anthony



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 24 February 2018 11:03
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] question



I discussed the file type briefly but my main point is that using the
context menu will allow you to save files on some sites and not on
others.
this is not related to the file type, it's how the site is constructed.



We don't know, but my guess is that, in this case, Internet Explorer is
being used and the file opens in Windows Media player, hence the question
of
how to save from there.



In the context of other browsers, not the archaic Internet Explorer, the
file is played in the browser when you press enter on the link. If you
are
on a site where save target as or equivalent doesn't work, you need to
know
that you can use the command control s while the file is playing, and
save
it while in the browser in that way.



Of course, that presupposes that you are dealing with an actual file that
is
playing from the site as a file, and not a stream. The stream plays a
little of a file and then refreshes the buffer in the browser or player
but
the entire file is never available. Just a little bit ahead of where you
are listening. It can't be saved because it is a stream, not a file
playing
as a file from the web site. Since this is called a podcast in the
question, the odds are that it is an actual file being played from the
web
site, not a stream as I am using the word.



Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: The Gamages via Groups.Io

Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2018 2:29 AM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] question



Hello Gene,



If you read my message again, I do say, “We don’t know what kind of file
it
is so can’t be specific”,

It’s worth a try anyway, if the original questioner could say exactly
what
podcast is to be downloaded, that would be better.

As you rightly say,that is why you asked questions.

Best Regards, Jim.



From: Gene

Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 7:57 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] question



That is one way you can save many files. But it is important to know
other
ways as well. Some sites don't support downloading files in that way.
That's why I asked questions such as whether the file opens in Windows
media
Player.



Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: The Gamages via Groups.Io

Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 1:51 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] question



Hello,



Pressing enter on the link will probably open it, if it’s to be
downloaded,
try the context menu, [key to the left of the right control key on a
standard keyboard], you get options including maybe “save as” or “save
target as”, this should bring up the normal save as dialogue and the file
can be saved to a folder, from there it cvan be opened in a program such
as
Windows media player.

We don’t know what kindof file it is so can’t be specific, I hope this
helps
and good luck.







Best Regards, Jim.



From: Gene

Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 1:38 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] question



But when you press enter on the link, what happens? Does it play In
Media
Player? I believe someone described how to download a file such as a
podcast playing in Windows Media Player. But before that method is of
any
use to you, does the file open in the player?



Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: anthony borg

Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 7:15 AM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] question



Hi gene

It is on a website. And I want to download a copy of it. Thanks in
advance

Anthony



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 22 February 2018 18:08
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] question



How are you getting to the podcast in the first place? Is it playing in
Media Player?



Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: anthony borg

Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2018 10:34 AM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: [nvda] question



Hi folks

Can somebody explain to me how to download a podcast from the internet
using
windows media player please?

Thanks in advance

Anthony





Re: Finally solved my problems with Win10 not updating!

Mallard
 

Hello Kevin,


Unless a blind eprson is extremely proficient at this sort of things, I'd advise against doing this on their own.

My husband is sighted, and works with computers and networks, so I gladly let him get on with it...


But if someone here has suggestions as to how to go about it, I'd be happy to learn something too...


Sorry I can't be of any more productive help.

Ciao,

Ollie

Il 24/02/2018 21:20, Kevin ha scritto:

Can I ask how one would go about updating the bios?

E-mail is golden!!!
Kevin Lee

*From: *Mallard <mailto:mallard@...>
*Sent: *Saturday, February 24, 2018 11:46 AM
*To: *nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject: *[nvda] Finally solved my problems with Win10 not updating!

Hello all,

I'd like to thank everyone who helped me with suggestions and thoughts

last year...

Tony, I think it was you who, amongst other things, suggested to try and

update the BIOS.

After tens of different and useless attempts to find out what software

or hardware component caused the blocking, my husband finally looked for

a newer version of the bios and found it.

He updated it and... LO AND BEHOLD! Now I have the latest Windows version!

Thanks to you all, really, from the bottom of my heart.

We had given up, but Windows had starte nagging me ove the last few

weeks, attempting to update at least 20 times a day... So it was time to

do something serious about it, and here we are!

Ciao, bless you all!

Ollie


Re: question

Gene
 

Thanks for the information.
 
that program has some features some people might want such as recording incoming and outgoing audio in different channels.  I looked at the information on the web site.  But it doesn't appear to support recording what you hear when the soundcard doesn't support it.  I believe it's referred to as loopback.  The Virtual Recorder portable program I referred to in a previous message does support loopback and it's a very simple program to use.  Those who want the loopback feature can very easily get it by using this program. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Hareth
Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2018 1:25 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] question

Gene,
this URL, for an mp3 recorder that will do:
audio input, and playback, or both recording.
its simple and accessible.
If you like give it a try:
http://www.coksoft.com/mp3recorder.htm


On 2/24/18, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
> We might get more information.
>
> While some programs let you record in that way, others don't.  I don't know
> which do other than Audacity and virtual Recorder.
>
> Gene
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: The Gamages via Groups.Io
> Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2018 10:36 AM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] question
>
>
> Hello Gene,
>
> Yes in effect, let’s take Audacity as it is a free program, to set it to
> record everything regardless of soundcard settings, press Alt and right
> arrow to edit, up arrow to preferences and press enter, go to the top of the
> list which is “devices and tab, arrow down to Windows WA sappie and then tab
> on to OK and press enter.
> This will give the equivilent of “what you hear”.
> I can give more detailed information if necessary, such as saving in MP3
> format for which you need the lame mp3 encoder to be installed, also free.
> I would still like to know where the actual file is located as I am curious
> by nature.
>
> Best Regards, Jim.
>
> From: Gene
> Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2018 3:17 PM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] question
>
> Are you describing recording what you hear as the file plays or something
> else such as you can do in replay audio?  A lot of recording programs can't
> do what replay audio and Total Recorder can do.  If the person wants to
> record what his sound card is playing, I can recommend a very simple program
> with which he can very likely do this.  To be sure what settings he should
> use, I'd need to know what version of Windows he has and whether it has a
> what you hear or a stereo mix option.  Even if it doesn't. he probably can
> do this but we would have to know what version of Windows is being used.
>
> Gene
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: The Gamages via Groups.Io
> Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2018 8:36 AM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] question
>
> If all else fails and as a last resort, find your file in the browser and
> focus on it,open an audio editor such as Sound forge, Goldwave or audacity
> and start it recording, alt and tab back to your file and press enter, let
> it finish and then go back to the audio editor and stop it, you can then
> save this file in whatever format you want.
> You must make sure that the audio editor is set to accept input from the
> internet.
> Perhaps a bit long winded, but it will always work and I have done it on
> many occasions.
> Best Regards, Jim.
>
> From: Gene
> Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2018 2:12 PM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] question
>
> In order to help, we need details.  What browser are you using?  When you
> press enter on the file, does it play in the browser or open another
> program?  Is the file actually referred to as a podcast?  We don't know, at
> this point, if the file is being played as it is fully downloaded into the
> browser or a player or if it is a stream that only plays part of the file,
> overwrites what it has played as it plays move.
>
> Can you give the address of the page where the file link is?
> Gene
>
> From: anthony borg
> Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2018 7:30 AM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] question
>
> Hi gene
>
> Your explanation is quite right. There isn’t any file to download but to
> play it on the website.
>
> Regards
>
> Anthony
>
>
>
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
> Sent: 24 February 2018 11:03
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] question
>
>
>
> I discussed the file type briefly but my main point is that using the
> context menu will allow you to save files on some sites and not on others.
> this is not related to the file type, it's how the site is constructed.
>
>
>
> We don't know, but my guess is that, in this case, Internet Explorer is
> being used and the file opens in Windows Media player, hence the question of
> how to save from there.
>
>
>
> In the context of other browsers, not the archaic Internet Explorer, the
> file is played in the browser when you press enter on the link.  If you are
> on a site where save target as or equivalent doesn't work, you need to know
> that you can use the command control s while the file is playing, and save
> it while in the browser in that way.
>
>
>
> Of course, that presupposes that you are dealing with an actual file that is
> playing from the site as a file, and not a stream.  The stream plays a
> little of a file and then refreshes the buffer in the browser or player but
> the entire file is never available.  Just a little bit ahead of where you
> are listening.  It can't be saved because it is a stream, not a file playing
> as a file from the web site.  Since this is called a podcast in the
> question, the odds are that it is an actual file being played from the web
> site, not a stream as I am using the word.
>
>
>
> Gene
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: The Gamages via Groups.Io
>
> Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2018 2:29 AM
>
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>
> Subject: Re: [nvda] question
>
>
>
> Hello Gene,
>
>
>
> If you  read my message again, I do say, “We don’t know what kind of file it
> is so can’t be specific”,
>
> It’s worth a try anyway, if the original questioner could say exactly what
> podcast  is to be downloaded, that would be better.
>
> As you rightly say,that is why you asked questions.
>
> Best Regards, Jim.
>
>
>
> From: Gene
>
> Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 7:57 PM
>
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>
> Subject: Re: [nvda] question
>
>
>
> That is one way you can save many files.  But it is important to know other
> ways as well.  Some sites don't support downloading files in that way.
> That's why I asked questions such as whether the file opens in Windows media
> Player.
>
>
>
> Gene
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: The Gamages via Groups.Io
>
> Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 1:51 PM
>
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>
> Subject: Re: [nvda] question
>
>
>
> Hello,
>
>
>
> Pressing enter on the link will probably open it, if it’s to be downloaded,
> try the context menu, [key to the left of the right control key on a
> standard keyboard], you get options including maybe “save as” or “save
> target as”, this should bring up the normal save as dialogue and the file
> can be saved to a folder, from there it cvan be opened in a program such as
> Windows media player.
>
> We don’t know what kindof file it is so can’t be specific, I hope this helps
> and good luck.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Best Regards, Jim.
>
>
>
> From: Gene
>
> Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 1:38 PM
>
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>
> Subject: Re: [nvda] question
>
>
>
> But when you press enter on the link, what happens?  Does it play In Media
> Player?  I believe someone described how to download a file such as a
> podcast playing in Windows Media Player.  But before that method is of any
> use to you, does the file open in the player?
>
>
>
> Gene
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: anthony borg
>
> Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 7:15 AM
>
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>
> Subject: Re: [nvda] question
>
>
>
> Hi gene
>
> It is on a website. And I want to download a copy of it. Thanks in advance
>
> Anthony
>
>
>
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
> Sent: 22 February 2018 18:08
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] question
>
>
>
> How are you getting to the podcast in the first place?  Is it playing in
> Media Player?
>
>
>
> Gene
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: anthony borg
>
> Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2018 10:34 AM
>
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>
> Subject: [nvda] question
>
>
>
> Hi folks
>
> Can somebody explain to me how to download a podcast from the internet using
> windows media player please?
>
> Thanks in advance
>
> Anthony
>
>
>




Re: Finally solved my problems with Win10 not updating!

Kevin <kleeva5@...>
 

Can I ask how one would go about updating the bios?

 

E-mail is golden!!!
Kevin Lee

 

From: Mallard
Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2018 11:46 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Finally solved my problems with Win10 not updating!

 

Hello all,

 

I'd like to thank everyone who helped me with suggestions and thoughts

last year...

Tony, I think it was you who, amongst other things, suggested to try and

update the BIOS.

 

After tens of different and useless attempts to find out what software

or hardware component caused the blocking, my husband finally looked for

a newer version of the bios and found it.

He updated it and... LO AND BEHOLD! Now I have the latest Windows version!

 

Thanks to you all, really, from the bottom of my heart.

 

We had given up, but Windows had starte nagging me ove the last few

weeks, attempting to update at least 20 times a day... So it was time to

do something serious about it, and here we are!

 

Ciao, bless you all!

Ollie

 

 

 


Finally solved my problems with Win10 not updating!

Mallard
 

Hello all,

I'd like to thank everyone who helped me with suggestions and thoughts last year...
Tony, I think it was you who, amongst other things, suggested to try and update the BIOS.

After tens of different and useless attempts to find out what software or hardware component caused the blocking, my husband finally looked for a newer version of the bios and found it.
He updated it and... LO AND BEHOLD! Now I have the latest Windows version!

Thanks to you all, really, from the bottom of my heart.

We had given up, but Windows had starte nagging me ove the last few weeks, attempting to update at least 20 times a day... So it was time to do something serious about it, and here we are!

Ciao, bless you all!
Ollie


Re: question

Hareth
 

Gene,
this URL, for an mp3 recorder that will do:
audio input, and playback, or both recording.
its simple and accessible.
If you like give it a try:
http://www.coksoft.com/mp3recorder.htm

On 2/24/18, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
We might get more information.

While some programs let you record in that way, others don't. I don't know
which do other than Audacity and virtual Recorder.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: The Gamages via Groups.Io
Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2018 10:36 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] question


Hello Gene,

Yes in effect, let’s take Audacity as it is a free program, to set it to
record everything regardless of soundcard settings, press Alt and right
arrow to edit, up arrow to preferences and press enter, go to the top of the
list which is “devices and tab, arrow down to Windows WA sappie and then tab
on to OK and press enter.
This will give the equivilent of “what you hear”.
I can give more detailed information if necessary, such as saving in MP3
format for which you need the lame mp3 encoder to be installed, also free.
I would still like to know where the actual file is located as I am curious
by nature.

Best Regards, Jim.

From: Gene
Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2018 3:17 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] question

Are you describing recording what you hear as the file plays or something
else such as you can do in replay audio? A lot of recording programs can't
do what replay audio and Total Recorder can do. If the person wants to
record what his sound card is playing, I can recommend a very simple program
with which he can very likely do this. To be sure what settings he should
use, I'd need to know what version of Windows he has and whether it has a
what you hear or a stereo mix option. Even if it doesn't. he probably can
do this but we would have to know what version of Windows is being used.

Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: The Gamages via Groups.Io
Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2018 8:36 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] question

If all else fails and as a last resort, find your file in the browser and
focus on it,open an audio editor such as Sound forge, Goldwave or audacity
and start it recording, alt and tab back to your file and press enter, let
it finish and then go back to the audio editor and stop it, you can then
save this file in whatever format you want.
You must make sure that the audio editor is set to accept input from the
internet.
Perhaps a bit long winded, but it will always work and I have done it on
many occasions.
Best Regards, Jim.

From: Gene
Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2018 2:12 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] question

In order to help, we need details. What browser are you using? When you
press enter on the file, does it play in the browser or open another
program? Is the file actually referred to as a podcast? We don't know, at
this point, if the file is being played as it is fully downloaded into the
browser or a player or if it is a stream that only plays part of the file,
overwrites what it has played as it plays move.

Can you give the address of the page where the file link is?
Gene

From: anthony borg
Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2018 7:30 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] question

Hi gene

Your explanation is quite right. There isn’t any file to download but to
play it on the website.

Regards

Anthony



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 24 February 2018 11:03
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] question



I discussed the file type briefly but my main point is that using the
context menu will allow you to save files on some sites and not on others.
this is not related to the file type, it's how the site is constructed.



We don't know, but my guess is that, in this case, Internet Explorer is
being used and the file opens in Windows Media player, hence the question of
how to save from there.



In the context of other browsers, not the archaic Internet Explorer, the
file is played in the browser when you press enter on the link. If you are
on a site where save target as or equivalent doesn't work, you need to know
that you can use the command control s while the file is playing, and save
it while in the browser in that way.



Of course, that presupposes that you are dealing with an actual file that is
playing from the site as a file, and not a stream. The stream plays a
little of a file and then refreshes the buffer in the browser or player but
the entire file is never available. Just a little bit ahead of where you
are listening. It can't be saved because it is a stream, not a file playing
as a file from the web site. Since this is called a podcast in the
question, the odds are that it is an actual file being played from the web
site, not a stream as I am using the word.



Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: The Gamages via Groups.Io

Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2018 2:29 AM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] question



Hello Gene,



If you read my message again, I do say, “We don’t know what kind of file it
is so can’t be specific”,

It’s worth a try anyway, if the original questioner could say exactly what
podcast is to be downloaded, that would be better.

As you rightly say,that is why you asked questions.

Best Regards, Jim.



From: Gene

Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 7:57 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] question



That is one way you can save many files. But it is important to know other
ways as well. Some sites don't support downloading files in that way.
That's why I asked questions such as whether the file opens in Windows media
Player.



Gene

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Subject: Re: [nvda] question



Hello,



Pressing enter on the link will probably open it, if it’s to be downloaded,
try the context menu, [key to the left of the right control key on a
standard keyboard], you get options including maybe “save as” or “save
target as”, this should bring up the normal save as dialogue and the file
can be saved to a folder, from there it cvan be opened in a program such as
Windows media player.

We don’t know what kindof file it is so can’t be specific, I hope this helps
and good luck.







Best Regards, Jim.



From: Gene

Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 1:38 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] question



But when you press enter on the link, what happens? Does it play In Media
Player? I believe someone described how to download a file such as a
podcast playing in Windows Media Player. But before that method is of any
use to you, does the file open in the player?



Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: anthony borg

Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 7:15 AM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] question



Hi gene

It is on a website. And I want to download a copy of it. Thanks in advance

Anthony



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 22 February 2018 18:08
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] question



How are you getting to the podcast in the first place? Is it playing in
Media Player?



Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: anthony borg

Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2018 10:34 AM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: [nvda] question



Hi folks

Can somebody explain to me how to download a podcast from the internet using
windows media player please?

Thanks in advance

Anthony



Re: FW: [win10] Version 1709 and beyond: screen readers must support uIA notification event in order to announce various things from apps #winten1803 #advisory #winten1709

Lino Morales
 

I agree with Joseph here also. He and I had a nice 20 MIN or so talk on Skype last night and yes Jenny is still at MS. And Robert XP is dead. Embrace the future of WIN 10 and as I always say viva la NVDA!

 

Lino Morales

 

From: Joseph Lee
Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2018 12:59 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] FW: [win10] Version 1709 and beyond: screen readers must support uIA notification event in order to announce various things from apps #ADVISORY #WinTen1709 #WinTen1803

 

Hi,

No, Jenny is still around and leading accessibility efforts at Microsoft.

In response to a post regarding MS slipping back to dark ages: in this context (the overall thread), both sides (MS and screen reader vendors) are at fault: Microsoft for not communicating things well, and screen reader vendors taking a while to respond. At least NVDA is taking the lead in responding back.

As for what’s going on behind the scenes: NVDA did not respond to UIA notification events. We did have means of tracking it for a while (via an add-on), but it wasn’t until yesterday that we began responding properly (again via an add-on update). For those who know where this is going: yes, NVDA will read UIA notification text starting next week once Windows 10 App Essentials 18.03 is released. But this is just a start: I’m using that ad-on to field test what will eventually be edits to NVDA screen reader source code to let NVDA announce notifications without help from an add-on or two (and I’m working on both of these at the moment). This is the reason why I put “yellow light” for NVDA because work is in progress to let NVDA announce notifications.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Robert Kingett
Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2018 5:45 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] FW: [win10] Version 1709 and beyond: screen readers must support uIA notification event in order to announce various things from apps #ADVISORY #WinTen1709 #WinTen1803

 

From what I have read, they lost her. I don't see her name on anything recent when I do a Google search. I'm not completely certain though and, yeah. I hear you. XP still is the best thing Microsoft created.

 


Re: did you test libreoffice 5.3 and later to read dialogs using screen review?

Simon Eigeldinger
 

Hi,

Yes that problem is also on libreoffice 6.0.
though i have that problem with some of the programs i am using.
not just libreoffice.
also some native windows programs have that problem.
it also took me a while to get used to object navigation.
but if you get the hang out of it it works pretty well.
just continue to try and figure out how it works.
i found a nice tutorial somewhere where i was quickly able to learn it
bout i guess i have lost the link.

i guess it was one of joseph's tutorials though.

Greetings,
Simon



Am 24.02.2018 um 18:12 schrieb zahra:
hello every one.
i asked this questions in different posts, but did not recieve reply.
libreoffice since version 5.3, shows dialogs like one combine word
without space when i read them using screen review!
i did not learn object review and sometimes does not work me, so i
prefer to use screen review always.
i appreciate if users of libreoffice give me advice what should i do
to restore previous behaviour of libreofficefor showing dialogs and
messages.
i recorded one sample and i am ready to send if someone helps me in this regard.
i appreciate any help, God bless you all!
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Re: Bug in espeak ng used in NVDA Next

Simon Eigeldinger
 

Hi all,

I wholeheartedly want to say sorry.
If its the issue you are describing.

On the other hand if its possible there needs a way to go forward though.
Because Win XP is nowadays pretty difficult to be used because of many software aren't supported anymore.
also antivirus, mail and browsers aren't running anymore on xp.
i don't know if Firefox ESR still runs on XP though it is still on the 52 branch so it might.


I also don't know if linux would be an alternative.

unfortunately espeak ng just starts with win 8.1
i also would be happy if it would work on win xp or 7.
though 7 might work.
i also don't know why they are using the win 8.1 sdk to build it.

i don't know if the voice data of espeak ng can be moved to espeak though that might break the whole thing or no audio would come out of it.

Greetings,
Simon


Am 24.02.2018 um 10:41 schrieb Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io:

That is not helpful in this context. Remember where this person lives and options are very restricted due to sanctions, cost and the attitude of both the state and outside entities.
Brian
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Simon Eigeldinger" <simon.eigeldinger@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 5:39 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Bug in espeak ng used in NVDA Next
then you should update your operating system to something more recent.
espeak ng wouldn't work on win xp.
that system is way outdated anyway.
Greetings,
Simon
Am 23.02.2018 um 09:13 schrieb zahra:
no, i am sure completely that i installed 32bit version of espeak-ng,
but recieved the error for not valid win32!
i use windows xp,  as many people know.

On 2/23/18, Quentin Christensen <quentin@...> wrote:
Sorry, that was my misreading re eSpeak-NG versions.

Re eSpeak-ng saying it won't work on Win 32, at a guess you may have
downloaded the 64-bit version - on that eSpeak-NG download page:
https://github.com/espeak-ng/espeak-ng#binaries you can download Windows
binaries for 64 or 32-bit.

I'll have a look and see when we plan to update to one of the newer
eSpeak-NG builds in next.

Quentin.



On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 4:29 AM, Simon Eigeldinger
<simon.eigeldinger@...
wrote:
Forgot to ask which OS are you using?

Greetings,
Simon



Am 22.02.2018 um 18:06 schrieb zahra:

hi.
i downloaded any version of 1.49.1 and 1.49.2 of espeak ng and says
that its not valid for win32!
but i am sure that download x86 version of espeak.
do you know the reason of this error?

On 2/22/18, Simon Eigeldinger <simon.eigeldinger@...> wrote:

Hi Brian,

This is just a german only problem i have had.
already have reported to the espeak ng team and it has been fixed in
espeak ng master.
nvda next has espeak ng master from a few weeks where the bug is
present.

Greetings,
Simon


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I'm still using the old Espeak in the speech palyer in espeak as the
weird ways some words are said in ng is still a problem.
brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Quentin Christensen"
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Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2018 3:32 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Bug in espeak ng used in NVDA Next


Hi Simon,

What version of eSpeak-NG are you using?  Looking at:
https://github.com/espeak-ng/espeak-ng/releases indicates that the
latest
version is 1.49.2, which we updated to prior to NVDA 2017.4.

Having said that, I know there are still issues with eSpeak, some of
which
are tracked on our issue tracker, and some on eSpeak-NG's here:
https://github.com/espeak-ng/espeak-ng/issues

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Thu, Feb 22, 2018 at 5:35 AM, Simon Eigeldinger
<simon.eigeldinger@...

wrote:
Hi all,

The currently used espeak ng has a bug in the german language.
The bug has been fixed and espeak ng should be updated to latest
master.
haven't opened a ticket yet because i thought i'll not make to much
noise about it.
though i can open a ticket as well if the devs prefer that.

Greetings and thanks,
Simon



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Re: did you test libreoffice 5.3 and later to read dialogs using screen review?

 

i completely agree.
but whats the best and most accessible version of libreoffice you know?
i did not have at least issue using dialogs in libreoffice 5.2!
its the problem which i experienced in 5.3 and 5.4!
i wished that libreoffice preserved accessibility at least like openoffice!
i realy need opensource program for reading and editing my books and
cant use microsoft.

On 2/24/18, Carlos <gmjc341961@...> wrote:
Hello:

    LibreOffice is not very accessible with screen readers.

    Apache OpenOffice works OK with NVDA.  It may not be perfect.  But!
At least in my experience it's better than LibreOffice!

    Appearantly none of the open source office suites are very
interested in accessibility for the blind!  They will not even make an
attempt to have a dialog with screen reader developers to see how the
can improve their software so that the blind can have better access to
the software!

    At least for selfish reasons Microsoft has worked with screen
reader developers to make MS Office accessible for screen reader users.

    More/many blind screen reader users really need to demand from open
source office suites developers to provide great accessibility for the
blind!

    I'm so very sorry! That i've not been of much help to you! but,
I've had a very bad experience with LibreOffice in particular, and, with
open source/freeware office suites as a whole!

    I really do hope that everyone who reads this will take the time to
send very nice/polite emails to LibreOffice telling them that blind
people really want to use their software and if they make it
accessible.  Blind people are very loyal to those who develop blind
friendly software!!!



On 2/24/2018 9:12 AM, zahra wrote:
hello every one.
i asked this questions in different posts, but did not recieve reply.
libreoffice since version 5.3, shows dialogs like one combine word
without space when i read them using screen review!
i did not learn object review and sometimes does not work me, so i
prefer to use screen review always.
i appreciate if users of libreoffice give me advice what should i do
to restore previous behaviour of libreofficefor showing dialogs and
messages.
i recorded one sample and i am ready to send if someone helps me in this
regard.
i appreciate any help, God bless you all!
--
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were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
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Re: did you test libreoffice 5.3 and later to read dialogs using screen review?

Carlos
 

Hello:

    LibreOffice is not very accessible with screen readers.

    Apache OpenOffice works OK with NVDA.  It may not be perfect.  But! At least in my experience it's better than LibreOffice!

    Appearantly none of the open source office suites are very interested in accessibility for the blind!  They will not even make an attempt to have a dialog with screen reader developers to see how the can improve their software so that the blind can have better access to the software!

    At least for selfish reasons Microsoft has worked with screen reader developers to make MS Office accessible for screen reader users.

    More/many blind screen reader users really need to demand from open source office suites developers to provide great accessibility for the blind!

    I'm so very sorry! That i've not been of much help to you! but, I've had a very bad experience with LibreOffice in particular, and, with open source/freeware office suites as a whole!

    I really do hope that everyone who reads this will take the time to send very nice/polite emails to LibreOffice telling them that blind people really want to use their software and if they make it accessible.  Blind people are very loyal to those who develop blind friendly software!!!

On 2/24/2018 9:12 AM, zahra wrote:
hello every one.
i asked this questions in different posts, but did not recieve reply.
libreoffice since version 5.3, shows dialogs like one combine word
without space when i read them using screen review!
i did not learn object review and sometimes does not work me, so i
prefer to use screen review always.
i appreciate if users of libreoffice give me advice what should i do
to restore previous behaviour of libreofficefor showing dialogs and
messages.
i recorded one sample and i am ready to send if someone helps me in this regard.
i appreciate any help, God bless you all!
--
Carlos Gonzalez - Los Angeles, CA. - gmjc341961@...


Re: question

Gene
 

We might get more information. 
 
While some programs let you record in that way, others don't.  I don't know which do other than Audacity and virtual Recorder.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2018 10:36 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] question

Hello Gene,
 
Yes in effect, let’s take Audacity as it is a free program, to set it to record everything regardless of soundcard settings, press Alt and right arrow to edit, up arrow to preferences and press enter, go to the top of the list which is “devices and tab, arrow down to Windows WA sappie and then tab on to OK and press enter.
This will give the equivilent of “what you hear”.
I can give more detailed information if necessary, such as saving in MP3 format for which you need the lame mp3 encoder to be installed, also free.
I would still like to know where the actual file is located as I am curious by nature.
 
Best Regards, Jim.
 
From: Gene
Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2018 3:17 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] question
 
Are you describing recording what you hear as the file plays or something else such as you can do in replay audio?  A lot of recording programs can't do what replay audio and Total Recorder can do.  If the person wants to record what his sound card is playing, I can recommend a very simple program with which he can very likely do this.  To be sure what settings he should use, I'd need to know what version of Windows he has and whether it has a what you hear or a stereo mix option.  Even if it doesn't. he probably can do this but we would have to know what version of Windows is being used.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2018 8:36 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] question
 
If all else fails and as a last resort, find your file in the browser and focus on it,open an audio editor such as Sound forge, Goldwave or audacity and start it recording, alt and tab back to your file and press enter, let it finish and then go back to the audio editor and stop it, you can then save this file in whatever format you want.
You must make sure that the audio editor is set to accept input from the internet.
Perhaps a bit long winded, but it will always work and I have done it on many occasions.
Best Regards, Jim.
 
From: Gene
Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2018 2:12 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] question
 
In order to help, we need details.  What browser are you using?  When you press enter on the file, does it play in the browser or open another program?  Is the file actually referred to as a podcast?  We don't know, at this point, if the file is being played as it is fully downloaded into the browser or a player or if it is a stream that only plays part of the file, overwrites what it has played as it plays move.
 
Can you give the address of the page where the file link is?
Gene
 
Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2018 7:30 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] question
 

Hi gene

Your explanation is quite right. There isn’t any file to download but to play it on the website.

Regards

Anthony 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 24 February 2018 11:03
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] question

 

I discussed the file type briefly but my main point is that using the context menu will allow you to save files on some sites and not on others.  this is not related to the file type, it's how the site is constructed. 

 

We don't know, but my guess is that, in this case, Internet Explorer is being used and the file opens in Windows Media player, hence the question of how to save from there. 

 

In the context of other browsers, not the archaic Internet Explorer, the file is played in the browser when you press enter on the link.  If you are on a site where save target as or equivalent doesn't work, you need to know that you can use the command control s while the file is playing, and save it while in the browser in that way. 

 

Of course, that presupposes that you are dealing with an actual file that is playing from the site as a file, and not a stream.  The stream plays a little of a file and then refreshes the buffer in the browser or player but the entire file is never available.  Just a little bit ahead of where you are listening.  It can't be saved because it is a stream, not a file playing as a file from the web site.  Since this is called a podcast in the question, the odds are that it is an actual file being played from the web site, not a stream as I am using the word.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2018 2:29 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] question

 

Hello Gene,

 

If you  read my message again, I do say, “We don’t know what kind of file it is so can’t be specific”,

It’s worth a try anyway, if the original questioner could say exactly what podcast  is to be downloaded, that would be better.

As you rightly say,that is why you asked questions.

Best Regards, Jim.

 

From: Gene

Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 7:57 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] question

 

That is one way you can save many files.  But it is important to know other ways as well.  Some sites don't support downloading files in that way.  That's why I asked questions such as whether the file opens in Windows media Player. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 1:51 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] question

 

Hello,

 

Pressing enter on the link will probably open it, if it’s to be downloaded, try the context menu, [key to the left of the right control key on a standard keyboard], you get options including maybe “save as” or “save target as”, this should bring up the normal save as dialogue and the file can be saved to a folder, from there it cvan be opened in a program such as Windows media player.

We don’t know what kindof file it is so can’t be specific, I hope this helps and good luck.

 

 

 

Best Regards, Jim.

 

From: Gene

Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 1:38 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] question

 

But when you press enter on the link, what happens?  Does it play In Media Player?  I believe someone described how to download a file such as a podcast playing in Windows Media Player.  But before that method is of any use to you, does the file open in the player?

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: anthony borg

Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 7:15 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] question

 

Hi gene

It is on a website. And I want to download a copy of it. Thanks in advance

Anthony

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 22 February 2018 18:08
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] question

 

How are you getting to the podcast in the first place?  Is it playing in Media Player?

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: anthony borg

Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2018 10:34 AM

Subject: [nvda] question

 

Hi folks

Can somebody explain to me how to download a podcast from the internet using windows media player please?

Thanks in advance

Anthony


Re: FW: [win10] Version 1709 and beyond: screen readers must support uIA notification event in order to announce various things from apps #winten1803 #advisory #winten1709

 

Hi,

No, Jenny is still around and leading accessibility efforts at Microsoft.

In response to a post regarding MS slipping back to dark ages: in this context (the overall thread), both sides (MS and screen reader vendors) are at fault: Microsoft for not communicating things well, and screen reader vendors taking a while to respond. At least NVDA is taking the lead in responding back.

As for what’s going on behind the scenes: NVDA did not respond to UIA notification events. We did have means of tracking it for a while (via an add-on), but it wasn’t until yesterday that we began responding properly (again via an add-on update). For those who know where this is going: yes, NVDA will read UIA notification text starting next week once Windows 10 App Essentials 18.03 is released. But this is just a start: I’m using that ad-on to field test what will eventually be edits to NVDA screen reader source code to let NVDA announce notifications without help from an add-on or two (and I’m working on both of these at the moment). This is the reason why I put “yellow light” for NVDA because work is in progress to let NVDA announce notifications.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Robert Kingett
Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2018 5:45 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] FW: [win10] Version 1709 and beyond: screen readers must support uIA notification event in order to announce various things from apps #ADVISORY #WinTen1709 #WinTen1803

 

From what I have read, they lost her. I don't see her name on anything recent when I do a Google search. I'm not completely certain though and, yeah. I hear you. XP still is the best thing Microsoft created.


Re: Test and a worning

Sarah k Alawami
 

They are having issues right ow. Someone reported groups.io as a fishing site on edge apparently. You can find out more at I think it's status.groups.io

hope that helps a bit.


Take care

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