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Re: question

Antony Stone
 

Please, please, please - tell us the URL of the podcast you are trying to
download.

Several people have asked for this. So far you have not told us how to find
this podcast for ourselves, and this means we do not know how to answer your
question about downloading it.

Tell us what address to put into a browser so we can see that same thing as
you do, and we can try to help.


Antony.

On Monday 26 February 2018 at 16:04:49, anthony borg wrote:

So what should I do to resolve that problem plese?
Thanks in advance

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That is just the sub page that accesses the file.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "anthony borg" <anthonyborg001@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, February 25, 2018 4:44 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] question


I use the internet explorer and when I try to save the file it always being
saved as html file.



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 24 February 2018 15:13
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] question



In order to help, we need details. What browser are you using? When you
press enter on the file, does it play in the browser or open another
program? Is the file actually referred to as a podcast? We don't know, at
this point, if the file is being played as it is fully downloaded into the
browser or a player or if it is a stream that only plays part of the file,
overwrites what it has played as it plays move.



Can you give the address of the page where the file link is?

Gene



From: anthony borg <mailto:anthonyborg001@...>

Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2018 7:30 AM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

Subject: Re: [nvda] question



Hi gene

Your explanation is quite right. There isn’t any file to download but to
play it on the website.

Regards

Anthony



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 24 February 2018 11:03
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] question



I discussed the file type briefly but my main point is that using the
context menu will allow you to save files on some sites and not on others.
this is not related to the file type, it's how the site is constructed.



We don't know, but my guess is that, in this case, Internet Explorer is
being used and the file opens in Windows Media player, hence the question
of how to save from there.



In the context of other browsers, not the archaic Internet Explorer, the
file is played in the browser when you press enter on the link. If you are
on a site where save target as or equivalent doesn't work, you need to know
that you can use the command control s while the file is playing, and save
it while in the browser in that way.



Of course, that presupposes that you are dealing with an actual file that
is playing from the site as a file, and not a stream. The stream plays a
little of a file and then refreshes the buffer in the browser or player
but the entire file is never available. Just a little bit ahead of where
you are listening. It can't be saved because it is a stream, not a file
playing as a file from the web site. Since this is called a podcast in
the question, the odds are that it is an actual file being played from the
web site, not a stream as I am using the word.



Gene

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Subject: Re: [nvda] question



Hello Gene,



If you read my message again, I do say, “We don’t know what kind of file
it is so can’t be specific”,

It’s worth a try anyway, if the original questioner could say exactly what
podcast is to be downloaded, that would be better.

As you rightly say,that is why you asked questions.

Best Regards, Jim.



From: Gene <mailto:gsasner@...>

Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 7:57 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

Subject: Re: [nvda] question



That is one way you can save many files. But it is important to know other
ways as well. Some sites don't support downloading files in that way.
That's why I asked questions such as whether the file opens in Windows
media Player.



Gene

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To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

Subject: Re: [nvda] question



Hello,



Pressing enter on the link will probably open it, if it’s to be downloaded,
try the context menu, [key to the left of the right control key on a
standard keyboard], you get options including maybe “save as” or “save
target as”, this should bring up the normal save as dialogue and the file
can be saved to a folder, from there it cvan be opened in a program such as
Windows media player.

We don’t know what kindof file it is so can’t be specific, I hope this
helps and good luck.







Best Regards, Jim.



From: Gene <mailto:gsasner@...>

Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 1:38 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

Subject: Re: [nvda] question



But when you press enter on the link, what happens? Does it play In Media
Player? I believe someone described how to download a file such as a
podcast playing in Windows Media Player. But before that method is of any
use to you, does the file open in the player?



Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: anthony borg <mailto:anthonyborg001@...>

Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 7:15 AM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

Subject: Re: [nvda] question



Hi gene

It is on a website. And I want to download a copy of it. Thanks in advance

Anthony



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 22 February 2018 18:08
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] question



How are you getting to the podcast in the first place? Is it playing in
Media Player?



Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: anthony borg <mailto:anthonyborg001@...>

Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2018 10:34 AM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

Subject: [nvda] question



Hi folks

Can somebody explain to me how to download a podcast from the internet
using windows media player please?

Thanks in advance

Anthony









Re: question

anthony borg
 

So what should I do to resolve that problem plese?
Thanks in advance

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Subject: Re: [nvda] question

That is just the sub page that accesses the file.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "anthony borg" <anthonyborg001@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, February 25, 2018 4:44 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] question


I use the internet explorer and when I try to save the file it always being
saved as html file.



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 24 February 2018 15:13
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] question



In order to help, we need details. What browser are you using? When you
press enter on the file, does it play in the browser or open another
program? Is the file actually referred to as a podcast? We don't know, at
this point, if the file is being played as it is fully downloaded into the
browser or a player or if it is a stream that only plays part of the file,
overwrites what it has played as it plays move.



Can you give the address of the page where the file link is?

Gene



From: anthony borg <mailto:anthonyborg001@...>

Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2018 7:30 AM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

Subject: Re: [nvda] question



Hi gene

Your explanation is quite right. There isn’t any file to download but to
play it on the website.

Regards

Anthony



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 24 February 2018 11:03
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] question



I discussed the file type briefly but my main point is that using the
context menu will allow you to save files on some sites and not on others.
this is not related to the file type, it's how the site is constructed.



We don't know, but my guess is that, in this case, Internet Explorer is
being used and the file opens in Windows Media player, hence the question of
how to save from there.



In the context of other browsers, not the archaic Internet Explorer, the
file is played in the browser when you press enter on the link. If you are
on a site where save target as or equivalent doesn't work, you need to know
that you can use the command control s while the file is playing, and save
it while in the browser in that way.



Of course, that presupposes that you are dealing with an actual file that is
playing from the site as a file, and not a stream. The stream plays a
little of a file and then refreshes the buffer in the browser or player but
the entire file is never available. Just a little bit ahead of where you
are listening. It can't be saved because it is a stream, not a file playing
as a file from the web site. Since this is called a podcast in the
question, the odds are that it is an actual file being played from the web
site, not a stream as I am using the word.



Gene

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Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2018 2:29 AM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

Subject: Re: [nvda] question



Hello Gene,



If you read my message again, I do say, “We don’t know what kind of file it
is so can’t be specific”,

It’s worth a try anyway, if the original questioner could say exactly what
podcast is to be downloaded, that would be better.

As you rightly say,that is why you asked questions.

Best Regards, Jim.



From: Gene <mailto:gsasner@...>

Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 7:57 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

Subject: Re: [nvda] question



That is one way you can save many files. But it is important to know other
ways as well. Some sites don't support downloading files in that way.
That's why I asked questions such as whether the file opens in Windows media
Player.



Gene

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Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 1:51 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

Subject: Re: [nvda] question



Hello,



Pressing enter on the link will probably open it, if it’s to be downloaded,
try the context menu, [key to the left of the right control key on a
standard keyboard], you get options including maybe “save as” or “save
target as”, this should bring up the normal save as dialogue and the file
can be saved to a folder, from there it cvan be opened in a program such as
Windows media player.

We don’t know what kindof file it is so can’t be specific, I hope this helps
and good luck.







Best Regards, Jim.



From: Gene <mailto:gsasner@...>

Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 1:38 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

Subject: Re: [nvda] question



But when you press enter on the link, what happens? Does it play In Media
Player? I believe someone described how to download a file such as a
podcast playing in Windows Media Player. But before that method is of any
use to you, does the file open in the player?



Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: anthony borg <mailto:anthonyborg001@...>

Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 7:15 AM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

Subject: Re: [nvda] question



Hi gene

It is on a website. And I want to download a copy of it. Thanks in advance

Anthony



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 22 February 2018 18:08
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] question



How are you getting to the podcast in the first place? Is it playing in
Media Player?



Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: anthony borg <mailto:anthonyborg001@...>

Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2018 10:34 AM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

Subject: [nvda] question



Hi folks

Can somebody explain to me how to download a podcast from the internet using
windows media player please?

Thanks in advance

Anthony


Re: Version 18.03 releases: GoldWave, Resource Monitor,StationPlaylist, Windows 10 App Essentials #addonrelease

abdul muhamin
 

Wow. Good work. Keep it up

 

Regards, Chief content officer at BlindHelp.net

 

From: Joseph Lee
Sent: Monday, February 26, 2018 7:22 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Version 18.03 releases: GoldWave, Resource Monitor,StationPlaylist, Windows 10 App Essentials #AddonRelease

 

Hi everyone,

 

The following community add-ons received updates today:

 

 

All of these can also be found on community add-ons website (https://addons.nvda-project.org). StationPlaylist and Windows 10 App Essentials support add-on update feature, and updates for these will go live shortly.

 

Highlights:

 

GoldWave and Resource Monitor: localization updates.

 

StationPlaylist Studio: numerous issues when working with time-based broadcast profiles were addressed.

 

Windows 10 App Essentials: in Windows 10 Fall Creators Update and later, NVDA will announce various notifications including those found in Microsoft Edge, Microsoft Store, Calculator, Alarms and Clock and other apps. Also, NVDA will track these events and print debug information if NVDA is started/restarted with debug logging enabled.

 

Enjoy.

Cheers,

Joseph

 


Version 18.03 releases: GoldWave, Resource Monitor, StationPlaylist, Windows 10 App Essentials #addonrelease

 

Hi everyone,

 

The following community add-ons received updates today:

 

 

All of these can also be found on community add-ons website (https://addons.nvda-project.org). StationPlaylist and Windows 10 App Essentials support add-on update feature, and updates for these will go live shortly.

 

Highlights:

 

GoldWave and Resource Monitor: localization updates.

 

StationPlaylist Studio: numerous issues when working with time-based broadcast profiles were addressed.

 

Windows 10 App Essentials: in Windows 10 Fall Creators Update and later, NVDA will announce various notifications including those found in Microsoft Edge, Microsoft Store, Calculator, Alarms and Clock and other apps. Also, NVDA will track these events and print debug information if NVDA is started/restarted with debug logging enabled.

 

Enjoy.

Cheers,

Joseph


Mosilla AddOn troubles not allowing me to get into the Contact contex menu

Gerardo Corripio
 

For those of you who use the Mosilla AddON, I can't seem to get into the Contact's Context menu via Shift+NVDA+1; it takes me back to the folder in which I'm in, instead of bringing up the Context menu frmo which I can interact with the contact (add him/her to my contacts list, EMail him/her directly etc). I've restarted NVDA just in case, but still the same issue.

--
Gera
Enviado desde Thunderbird


Re: Finally solved my problems with Win10 not updating!

sampath raj rao
 

Hi any advice for Lenovo? I am using G5080 which came with win 10
pre-installed...
feature update for 1709 downloaded several times but failed in all its
attempts till date...


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Oh yes and the older the machine the worse it is.
I'm not even going to bather with the old dells. In any case their idea of

64 bit ready seems different to Microsoft.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Shaun Everiss" <@smeveriss>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, February 26, 2018 1:24 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Finally solved my problems with Win10 not updating!


It depends on the board in question.

Here are a few.

Toshiba.

Download the updater for your unit if its still about you need its part
number, and well get the update, download, run, reboot you're done.

Hp, using your serial number found from support assistant, download the
eufi diagnostics, intel firmware updates and bios, run all of them.

For most of them run and install on hard drive and they work.

Bios is a bit tricky, you will have to doodle about with nvda and narator

to find the right button, alt u should update the bios then wait, till
ready.

restart, and wait till it restarts 3-5 times then it will be updated.

Asus, the updater is completely inaccessible, for my workstation I had to

get the mutherboard frombelarc adviser which meant I needed to go to
belarc.com and install that.

Then I needed to search on the asus support site for the update, get the
.cap file, rename the file to bios.cap, download the 4th gen updater, for

win8 and download that.

Then using 7zip extract it, go to the tools folder, find the batch file,
and change the name to bios.cap, put the cap file in the tools folder, run

the batch file, wait for the window to close then reboot.

azrock.

Download the update, run and hit yes.

Different ways and you can also do it from multitudes of updaters, and
inside bios with sight etc.

When you update your bios you will need a sightling in some cases to check

that all your settings work as the system goes to bios, some bioses
require you to like asus hit f5 for defaults then save.

Azrock I booted and I just hit f1 on a ps2 board and it worked.

Laptops they just worked all I tried.

But its best you do it yourself as in some situations it was really
complicated.

If you screw it all up you will have to take your system back to the
store, they will replace your main board at cost, do a reformat and then
you probably will need to get a different serial and maybe a new version
of windows probably or if the system is out of date you will have to buy
another probably havn't bricked one.

Actually I tell a lie bricked a bios on a router by doing it wrong.

I had to buy another isp router and it took ages for them to get working
again.




On 25/02/2018 9:20 a.m., Kevin wrote:
Can I ask how one would go about updating the bios?

E-mail is golden!!!
Kevin Lee

From: Mallard
Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2018 11:46 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Finally solved my problems with Win10 not updating!

Hello all,

I'd like to thank everyone who helped me with suggestions and thoughts
last year...
Tony, I think it was you who, amongst other things, suggested to try and
update the BIOS.

After tens of different and useless attempts to find out what software
or hardware component caused the blocking, my husband finally looked for
a newer version of the bios and found it.
He updated it and... LO AND BEHOLD! Now I have the latest Windows
version!

Thanks to you all, really, from the bottom of my heart.

We had given up, but Windows had starte nagging me ove the last few
weeks, attempting to update at least 20 times a day... So it was time to
do something serious about it, and here we are!

Ciao, bless you all!
Ollie










Re: Blindspot is a windowless spotify

 

Again, blindspot can be downloaded from this link, right here. It is accessible with NVDA. It has no  GUI or window. It is controled via the keyboard alone. It allows you to use Spotify. There is a manual on the page too. Read it to get a better idea of how it works. You may need a premium account though.


Re: how to move mouse with keyboard

Brice Mijares
 

Thank You, I wilt take a look.

On 2/25/2018 6:24 PM, Gene New Zealand wrote:
Hi
as far as i know i have not heard of one.
There under the add on manager section after installing golden cursor locate the add on in the list then tab to the help button. There will be all the commands on how to use this add on.
Just break it down into small section to see which shortcuts do what. It is a neat little add on you can drive the cursor with the arrow keys and alot more as you will find out when having a play.
Gene nz
On 2/26/2018 2:55 PM, Brice Mijares wrote:
Is there a tutorial on the golden cursor? thanks.

On 2/25/2018 4:37 PM, David Moore wrote:
Yes, I use golden cursor all the time, and that will do everything you need to move the mouse pointer with the keyboard. You will absolutely love it!

David Moore

Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10

*From: *John Covici <mailto:covici@...>
*Sent: *Sunday, February 25, 2018 6:07 PM
*To: *nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject: *Re: [nvda] how to move mouse with keyboard

I will check out that golden cursor -- sounds like what I may need.

Thanks.

On Sun, 25 Feb 2018 17:14:23 -0500,

Gene New Zealand wrote:

 >

 > [1  <text/plain; utf-8 (base64)>]

 > [2  <text/html; utf-8 (base64)>]

 > Hi

 >

 > Under the following section in the user manual will give you all commands to do with the mouse.

 >

 > The other thing that may be of interest is the golden cursor found on the add ons website for moving the mouse around the screen etc.

 >

 > But any how from the user manual here is all the commands below.

 >

 > 5.7. Navigating with the Mouse

 > When you move the mouse, NVDA by default reports the text that is directly under the mouse pointer as the pointer moves over it. Where supported, NVDA will read the surrounding paragraph of text, though some controls may only read by

 > line.

 > NVDA can be configured to also announce the type of object under the mouse as it moves (e.g. list, button, etc.). This may be useful for totally blind users, as sometimes, the text isn't enough.

 > NVDA provides a way for users to understand where the mouse is located relative to the dimensions of the screen by playing the current mouse coordinates as audio beeps. The higher the mouse is on the screen, the higher the pitch of the

 > beeps. The further left or right the mouse is located on the screen, the further left or right the sound will be played (assuming the user has stereo speakers or headphones).

 > These extra mouse features are not turned on by default in NVDA. If you wish to take advantage of them, you can configure them from the Mouse settings dialog, found in the NVDA Preferences menu.

 > Although a physical mouse or trackpad should be used to navigate with the mouse, NVDA has a few key commands related to the mouse:

 > Name

 > Desktop key

 > Laptop key

 > Description

 > Left mouse button click

 > numpadDivide

 > NVDA+[

 > clicks the left mouse button once. The common double click can be performed by pressing this key twice in quick succession

 > Left mouse button lock

 > shift+numpadDivide

 > NVDA+control+[

 > Locks the left mouse button down. Press again to release it. To drag the mouse, press this key to lock the left button down and then move the mouse either physically or use one of the other mouse routing commands

 > Right mouse click

 > numpadMultiply

 > NVDA+]

 > Clicks the right mouse button once.

 > Right mouse button lock

 > shift+numpadMultiply

 > NVDA+control+]

 > Locks the right mouse button down. Press again to release it. To drag the mouse, press this key to lock the right button down and then move the mouse either physically or use one of the other mouse routing commands

 > Move mouse to current navigator object

 > NVDA+numpadDivide

 > NVDA+shift+m

 > Moves the mouse to the location of the current navigator object and review cursor

 > Navigate to the object under the mouse

 > NVDA+numpadMultiply

 > NVDA+shift+n

 > Set the navigator object to the object located at the position of the mouse

 >

 > Gene nz

 >

 > On 2/26/2018 10:34 AM, John Covici wrote:

 >

 >  Hi.  I was on a website where I was supposed to route the mouse to

 > where the cursor is and them move it down till I heard a certain

 > string, in JAWS I could route jaws to pc and activate the jaws cursor

 > and then use the mouse down to get the mouse to where I wanted it to

 > go.  Is there any way to do this in nvda?

 >

 > Thanks in advance for any suggestions.

 >

 > --

 >

 > Image NVDA

 >         certified expert

 > Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen

 > reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or location) is near to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert

 > near you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert

 > exam.

 >

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How do

you spend it?

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Re: Debug JavaScript for Developer

Isaac Porat
 

Hello


I use the Browser console in Firefox.

Press Ctrl + Shift + j to get there (you might have to enable development tools to do this, I can't remember).

After the first time you launch Firefox press Alt + r to remove initial warnnings / errors. Then tab to the desired page and press f5 to reload.

I use console.log to debug in my code.


I found the Web console tool more difficult to use as the errors are on the same page and I found it not reliable to navigate easily back to the actual document part of the page.


As you said the dbugging facilities in firefox are not usable.


I usually live the browser running, change the code in the page I want to debug, reload the page with f5 tab to the Browser console and it works reasonably well (I don't like using a debugger anyway).


For javascript code that does not use the DOM like perhaps some calculation, I use the node.js framework and debug from the command line.


I am going to give it a go with Visual Studio, not for javascript but for TypeScript which suits what I want to do better.


I hope the above is useful.


Regards

Isaac

On 15/02/2018 21:01, Oleksandr Gryshchenko wrote:
Hello friends!

Antony Stone wrote:
Er, what is the question / problem / issue?
Antony, I'm sorry that I didn't explain the essence of the question.

I need to debug the JavaScript code of some websites, add breackpoint and inspect a variables or objects.
I've tried embedded Google Developer Tools in Chrome, Firefox and Internet Explorer integrated ones.
But all these tools are not accessible, or poorly  (little) accessible with all screen readers.
I'm looking for a solution to this problem and ask for help from more experienced members of this group.

特種兵 wrote:
I use alert debug my javascript
call this file in page when you need
Thank you, 特種兵.
This is an interesting and very simple solution and I will use it.

Good luck to all!


Re: something strange in outlook

Ralf Kefferpuetz
 

The editing part of Word is included in MS Outlook. No need to have MS Word
installed.

Regards,
Ralf

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If you don't have word, how can it use it? Wordpad. I use Jarte for everyday
stuff and word if I need to see tables and page breaks etc.
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I think it does use word but I don't have microsoft word. I have wordpad.



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Now this is interesting. Is yours one of the versions of Outlook that uses
Word as its editor?
I get this all the time in word. I have a feeling its nvda hooking into
something making it think something has changed, for example. I create a
word document, I save it, I then go to exit word and it says the text has
changed do I want to save it again so to speak. Not every time, but enough
to be annoying.

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Subject: [nvda] something strange in outlook


Hi, everyone,

Yesterday and today I noticed something different in outlook. When I hit
escape to get out of a message, I get a message saying that the body of
the
message has changed and do I want to save it. I've never seen this
before.
Is there something I might need to change in either outlook or NVDA?

Thanks for your help in advance.

Rosemarie









Re: something strange in outlook

Ralf Kefferpuetz
 

I discover the same with 2018.1 RC1 and with develop versions of 2017.4 With
installing released 2017.4 I don't have this problem.
Something seems to be changed since dev 2017.4.....

Regards,
Ralf

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I think it does use word but I don't have microsoft word. I have wordpad.



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Now this is interesting. Is yours one of the versions of Outlook that uses
Word as its editor?
I get this all the time in word. I have a feeling its nvda hooking into
something making it think something has changed, for example. I create a
word document, I save it, I then go to exit word and it says the text has
changed do I want to save it again so to speak. Not every time, but enough
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Hi, everyone,

Yesterday and today I noticed something different in outlook. When I
hit escape to get out of a message, I get a message saying that the
body of the message has changed and do I want to save it. I've never
seen this before.
Is there something I might need to change in either outlook or NVDA?

Thanks for your help in advance.

Rosemarie




Re: how to move mouse with keyboard

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Yes and the recently updatd version seems mor reliable.
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Subject: Re: [nvda] how to move mouse with keyboard


Hi


as far as i know i have not heard of one.


There under the add on manager section after installing golden cursor locate the add on in the list then tab to the help button. There will be all the commands on how to use this add on.


Just break it down into small section to see which shortcuts do what. It is a neat little add on you can drive the cursor with the arrow keys and alot more as you will find out when having a play.


Gene nz


On 2/26/2018 2:55 PM, Brice Mijares wrote:
Is there a tutorial on the golden cursor? thanks.

On 2/25/2018 4:37 PM, David Moore wrote:
Yes, I use golden cursor all the time, and that will do everything you need to move the mouse pointer with the keyboard. You will absolutely love it!

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I will check out that golden cursor -- sounds like what I may need.

Thanks.

On Sun, 25 Feb 2018 17:14:23 -0500,

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[1 <text/plain; utf-8 (base64)>]
[2 <text/html; utf-8 (base64)>]
Hi
Under the following section in the user manual will give you all commands to do with the mouse.
The other thing that may be of interest is the golden cursor found on the add ons website for moving the mouse around the screen etc.
But any how from the user manual here is all the commands below.
5.7. Navigating with the Mouse
When you move the mouse, NVDA by default reports the text that is directly under the mouse pointer as the pointer moves over it. Where supported, NVDA will read the surrounding paragraph of text, though some controls may only read by
line.
NVDA can be configured to also announce the type of object under the mouse as it moves (e.g. list, button, etc.). This may be useful for totally blind users, as sometimes, the text isn't enough.
NVDA provides a way for users to understand where the mouse is located relative to the dimensions of the screen by playing the current mouse coordinates as audio beeps. The higher the mouse is on the screen, the higher the pitch of the
beeps. The further left or right the mouse is located on the screen, the further left or right the sound will be played (assuming the user has stereo speakers or headphones).
These extra mouse features are not turned on by default in NVDA. If you wish to take advantage of them, you can configure them from the Mouse settings dialog, found in the NVDA Preferences menu.
Although a physical mouse or trackpad should be used to navigate with the mouse, NVDA has a few key commands related to the mouse:
Name
Desktop key
Laptop key
Description
Left mouse button click
numpadDivide
NVDA+[
clicks the left mouse button once. The common double click can be performed by pressing this key twice in quick succession
Left mouse button lock
shift+numpadDivide
NVDA+control+[
Locks the left mouse button down. Press again to release it. To drag the mouse, press this key to lock the left button down and then move the mouse either physically or use one of the other mouse routing commands
Right mouse click
numpadMultiply
NVDA+]
Clicks the right mouse button once.
Right mouse button lock
shift+numpadMultiply
NVDA+control+]
Locks the right mouse button down. Press again to release it. To drag the mouse, press this key to lock the right button down and then move the mouse either physically or use one of the other mouse routing commands
Move mouse to current navigator object
NVDA+numpadDivide
NVDA+shift+m
Moves the mouse to the location of the current navigator object and review cursor
Navigate to the object under the mouse
NVDA+numpadMultiply
NVDA+shift+n
Set the navigator object to the object located at the position of the mouse
Gene nz
On 2/26/2018 10:34 AM, John Covici wrote:
Hi. I was on a website where I was supposed to route the mouse to
where the cursor is and them move it down till I heard a certain
string, in JAWS I could route jaws to pc and activate the jaws cursor
and then use the mouse down to get the mouse to where I wanted it to
go. Is there any way to do this in nvda?
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Re: Finally solved my problems with Win10 not updating!

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Oh yes and the older the machine the worse it is.
I'm not even going to bather with the old dells. In any case their idea of 64 bit ready seems different to Microsoft.
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It depends on the board in question.

Here are a few.

Toshiba.

Download the updater for your unit if its still about you need its part number, and well get the update, download, run, reboot you're done.

Hp, using your serial number found from support assistant, download the eufi diagnostics, intel firmware updates and bios, run all of them.

For most of them run and install on hard drive and they work.

Bios is a bit tricky, you will have to doodle about with nvda and narator to find the right button, alt u should update the bios then wait, till ready.

restart, and wait till it restarts 3-5 times then it will be updated.

Asus, the updater is completely inaccessible, for my workstation I had to get the mutherboard frombelarc adviser which meant I needed to go to belarc.com and install that.

Then I needed to search on the asus support site for the update, get the .cap file, rename the file to bios.cap, download the 4th gen updater, for win8 and download that.

Then using 7zip extract it, go to the tools folder, find the batch file, and change the name to bios.cap, put the cap file in the tools folder, run the batch file, wait for the window to close then reboot.

azrock.

Download the update, run and hit yes.

Different ways and you can also do it from multitudes of updaters, and inside bios with sight etc.

When you update your bios you will need a sightling in some cases to check that all your settings work as the system goes to bios, some bioses require you to like asus hit f5 for defaults then save.

Azrock I booted and I just hit f1 on a ps2 board and it worked.

Laptops they just worked all I tried.

But its best you do it yourself as in some situations it was really complicated.

If you screw it all up you will have to take your system back to the store, they will replace your main board at cost, do a reformat and then you probably will need to get a different serial and maybe a new version of windows probably or if the system is out of date you will have to buy another probably havn't bricked one.

Actually I tell a lie bricked a bios on a router by doing it wrong.

I had to buy another isp router and it took ages for them to get working again.




On 25/02/2018 9:20 a.m., Kevin wrote:
Can I ask how one would go about updating the bios?

E-mail is golden!!!
Kevin Lee

From: Mallard
Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2018 11:46 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Finally solved my problems with Win10 not updating!

Hello all,

I'd like to thank everyone who helped me with suggestions and thoughts
last year...
Tony, I think it was you who, amongst other things, suggested to try and
update the BIOS.

After tens of different and useless attempts to find out what software
or hardware component caused the blocking, my husband finally looked for
a newer version of the bios and found it.
He updated it and... LO AND BEHOLD! Now I have the latest Windows version!

Thanks to you all, really, from the bottom of my heart.

We had given up, but Windows had starte nagging me ove the last few
weeks, attempting to update at least 20 times a day... So it was time to
do something serious about it, and here we are!

Ciao, bless you all!
Ollie






Re: FW: [win10] Version 1709 and beyond: screen readers must support uIA notification event in order to announce various things from apps #winten1803 #advisory #winten1709

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Yes strange that as they aggressively advertise over here all the time and apart from the cost aspect, I've always found their staff to be honest and very helpful.
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I noticed that supernova/dolphin products were not included on the screen readers list.




On 24/02/2018 6:47 a.m., Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi,

In case of NVDA, the solution will be in the form of Windows 10 App
Essentials add-on version 18.03 (next week).

Cheers,

Joseph


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Lee
Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 9:47 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] FW: [win10] Version 1709 and beyond: screen readers must
support uIA notification event in order to announce various things from apps
#ADVISORY #WinTen1709 #WinTen1803


Hi all,


First, apologies for mentioning competition, but I felt it is best to do so
given the overall context. Second, the advisory is deemed major (to severe
for some cases) and is applicable for people running Windows 10 Fall
Creators Update and beyond. The source of this advisory is a Win10 forum
hosted on Groups.IO at https://win10.groups.io/g/win10.


Thanks.


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Subject: [win10] Version 1709 and beyond: screen readers must support uIA
notification event in order to announce various things from apps #ADVISORY
#WinTen1709 #WinTen1803


Hi everyone,


The following advisory is considered major in that it impacts all known
screen readers )except for one or two; feel free to pass this on, although
please do cite where you've got the advisory from):


Problem: notifications from apps such as Calculator, Microsoft Store and
others are not announced by screen readers.


Background: in Windows 10 Version 1709 and later, if apps are written
correctly, they can send notification texts to be announced by screen
readers. A UIA client such as a screen reader must be able to catch this in
order to announce certain notifications, including Calculator's display
window, app update status in Microsoft Store, various notifications from
Edge, Alarms and Clock and other apps.


Steps to reproduce:


1. While using Windows 10 Version 1709 or later (including current
Insider Preview builds), launch an app such as Alarms and Clock (be sure it
is the latest version).
2. In case of Alarms and Clock, go to Stopwatch tab and start and stop
the stopwatch.
3. For Calculator, do some calculations.


Expected: screen reader announces messages such as "Stopwatch stopped" in
Alarms and Clock and "display is something" in Calculator.

Actual: only Narrator announces such texts.

Cause: other screen readers do not track UIA notification event. This is due
to the fact that Version 1709 introduces this event, which requires tracking
a newer UIA interface.


Known solutions/mitigations/workarounds and impact:


* Narrator: green light/okay; works out of the box (requires Version
1709 and later).
* JAWS for Windows: red light/major; no support (version 2018.1802.78
did not solve the Calculator display text problem, for instance).
* NonVisual Desktop Access: yellow light/solution being tested
(through an add-on update).


This advisory will be closed once major screen readers (in addition to the
three listed above) provides at least a basic solution.


Cheers,

Joseph





Re: In-Process 23rd February 2018

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Well I liked the audio of the video, I can't actually see it these days!
I thought it was not overly cheesy but informative. So often these things can seem to have been made by somebody who thought they were advertising chocolate or something!
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Brian,

I'm glad you like the video. It was made by Human Creative, a company in
Brisbane, Australia.



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I don't know if the images are as slick as the audio in that, but its very
professionally done, who made it?
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Subject: [nvda] In-Process 23rd February 2018


Hi everyone,

This week's In-Process is out, featuring:

* NVDA 20181rc1
* A new video from NV Access
* interesting statistics
and
* NVDACon call for submissions

all in this week's In-Process, available now:
https://www.nvaccess.org/post/in-process-23rd-february-2018/

#NVDAsr

Quentin.
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Re: In-Process 23rd February 2018

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I think this was important to the person involved as they are stuck on xp for various reasons. Brian

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Subject: Re: [nvda] In-Process 23rd February 2018


Hi Zahra,

It looks like when the work was done (to address those issues), it was
planned for 2017.4. Any code which gets submitted by anyone, even
in-house, needs to be reviewed or checked over by someone else. It looks
like that review wasn't done as quickly as initially anticipated, so they
didn't make it in to 2017.4.

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 9:39 PM, zahra <nasrinkhaksar3@...> wrote:

now
https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/7696

On 2/23/18, zahra <nasrinkhaksar3@...> wrote:
hi quentin.
i read whats new and opened to links of bug fixes for nvda 2018.1.
but realized that the milestone for these bug fixes are 2017.4 in the
github links,
but whats the reason that there are in fixes for 2018.1 instead of
2017.4?
hear you are just these two links which i read now.

https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/7474

https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/7689
thanks again for your great work and God bless you!

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Hi everyone,

This week's In-Process is out, featuring:

* NVDA 20181rc1
* A new video from NV Access
* interesting statistics
and
* NVDACon call for submissions

all in this week's In-Process, available now:
https://www.nvaccess.org/post/in-process-23rd-february-2018/

#NVDAsr

Quentin.
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Re: question

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That is just the sub page that accesses the file.
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Subject: Re: [nvda] question


I use the internet explorer and when I try to save the file it always being saved as html file.



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 24 February 2018 15:13
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] question



In order to help, we need details. What browser are you using? When you press enter on the file, does it play in the browser or open another program? Is the file actually referred to as a podcast? We don't know, at this point, if the file is being played as it is fully downloaded into the browser or a player or if it is a stream that only plays part of the file, overwrites what it has played as it plays move.



Can you give the address of the page where the file link is?

Gene



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Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2018 7:30 AM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

Subject: Re: [nvda] question



Hi gene

Your explanation is quite right. There isn’t any file to download but to play it on the website.

Regards

Anthony



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Sent: 24 February 2018 11:03
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] question



I discussed the file type briefly but my main point is that using the context menu will allow you to save files on some sites and not on others. this is not related to the file type, it's how the site is constructed.



We don't know, but my guess is that, in this case, Internet Explorer is being used and the file opens in Windows Media player, hence the question of how to save from there.



In the context of other browsers, not the archaic Internet Explorer, the file is played in the browser when you press enter on the link. If you are on a site where save target as or equivalent doesn't work, you need to know that you can use the command control s while the file is playing, and save it while in the browser in that way.



Of course, that presupposes that you are dealing with an actual file that is playing from the site as a file, and not a stream. The stream plays a little of a file and then refreshes the buffer in the browser or player but the entire file is never available. Just a little bit ahead of where you are listening. It can't be saved because it is a stream, not a file playing as a file from the web site. Since this is called a podcast in the question, the odds are that it is an actual file being played from the web site, not a stream as I am using the word.



Gene

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Subject: Re: [nvda] question



Hello Gene,



If you read my message again, I do say, “We don’t know what kind of file it is so can’t be specific”,

It’s worth a try anyway, if the original questioner could say exactly what podcast is to be downloaded, that would be better.

As you rightly say,that is why you asked questions.

Best Regards, Jim.



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Subject: Re: [nvda] question



That is one way you can save many files. But it is important to know other ways as well. Some sites don't support downloading files in that way. That's why I asked questions such as whether the file opens in Windows media Player.



Gene

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Hello,



Pressing enter on the link will probably open it, if it’s to be downloaded, try the context menu, [key to the left of the right control key on a standard keyboard], you get options including maybe “save as” or “save target as”, this should bring up the normal save as dialogue and the file can be saved to a folder, from there it cvan be opened in a program such as Windows media player.

We don’t know what kindof file it is so can’t be specific, I hope this helps and good luck.







Best Regards, Jim.



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But when you press enter on the link, what happens? Does it play In Media Player? I believe someone described how to download a file such as a podcast playing in Windows Media Player. But before that method is of any use to you, does the file open in the player?



Gene

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Hi gene

It is on a website. And I want to download a copy of it. Thanks in advance

Anthony



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How are you getting to the podcast in the first place? Is it playing in Media Player?



Gene

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Hi folks

Can somebody explain to me how to download a podcast from the internet using windows media player please?

Thanks in advance

Anthony


Re: something strange in outlook

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If you don't have word, how can it use it? Wordpad. I use Jarte for everyday stuff and word if I need to see tables and page breaks etc.
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I think it does use word but I don't have microsoft word. I have wordpad.



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Now this is interesting. Is yours one of the versions of Outlook that uses
Word as its editor?
I get this all the time in word. I have a feeling its nvda hooking into
something making it think something has changed, for example. I create a
word document, I save it, I then go to exit word and it says the text has
changed do I want to save it again so to speak. Not every time, but enough
to be annoying.

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Hi, everyone,

Yesterday and today I noticed something different in outlook. When I hit
escape to get out of a message, I get a message saying that the body of
the
message has changed and do I want to save it. I've never seen this before.
Is there something I might need to change in either outlook or NVDA?

Thanks for your help in advance.

Rosemarie








Re: something strange in outlook

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Do you use Word? does the same thing happen in that editor if a graphic is there?
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I'm not using any add-ons for outlook.



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What add ons are you using, anything that might be affected? My guess its uia again.
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Hi, Sam,



I set outlook to plain text but that didn't fix the problem. It is probably
something with NVDA.



Rosemarie







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Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2018 5:54 PM
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Subject: Re: [nvda] something strange in outlook



It now occurs to me that this began to happen for me when I was running
betas a couple of weeks ago, and this behaviour has crept into the NVDA RC1
build. It is an NVDA bug that is worth reporting. Perhaps the Outlook
message is somehow being modified. This doesn't happen when an alternate
screenreader is tested. Note that you need to navigate past the first line
of the message. Happy to report this if nobody has done so.



On 25/02/2018 11:50, Gary Metzler wrote:

Hi Rosemary,

I am having the same issue. I hope someone has an answer.

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Subject: [nvda] something strange in outlook

Hi, everyone,

Yesterday and today I noticed something different in outlook. When I hit
escape to get out of a message, I get a message saying that the body of the
message has changed and do I want to save it. I've never seen this before.
Is there something I might need to change in either outlook or NVDA?

Thanks for your help in advance.

Rosemarie


Re: FW: [win10] Version 1709 and beyond: screen readers mustsupport uIA notification event in order to announce various things from apps#ADVISORY #winten1709 #winten1803

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Yes the classic of course is Printers, sold at a loss then flogging the supplies for them at a big mark up.
Smart phones ar going much the same way now. I noticed Samsung used the word Reimagined 13 times in their recent S9 launch.#
Bah humbug!
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A lot of businesses are slow to upgrade because their system works and they don't want the cost of training and of replacing a system that works well. It's not just in the UK. Microsoft is in the position, starting with XP, that they built reasonably mature operating systems and, aside from security and convenience features, it has to do what is done in mature capitalist markets, that is create a desire for things people didn't know they wanted before. So the emphasis in Windows 10 is to get people to pay for and use all sorts of Microsoft services and to drive payments to Bing, by making it the default search engine, etc. But a lot of people, businesses and institutions won't upgrade despite the new features and the services that are more convenient to use with Windows 10 or are not available in earlier versions of Windows.

Looking back, this sort of thing had to happen. It happens in all mature markets. Once you stop selling necessities, or really useful fundamental services, you start selling increasingly less central services and products and you try to develop a demand for them. That's why Windows 10 is free. It's not the operating system that is the point. It's getting it on as many machines as possible. It's as though cars somehow became so cheap that they could be given away and more money could be made from selling services related to the car.

Gene
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Hmm well it just feels hard to learn its keys and then you do it feels very
sluggish to me, but then I only get to use it when I am on windows 10, and
so I'm not exposed to it most of the time. Most people I know are on windows
7 and that includes most of the people who work for the NHS in the UK as
well, so I think although here we may suggest that windows ten is the way
all should go, many companies and organisations are reluctant to break what
is working for them and blind people who work for them will have to use what
they have.
Like XP which is still in use a lot in the UK, I think the hype over
windows 10 is much over the top. I think that while they keep moving
goalposts about many admins will steer clear in case it mangles already
running systems.

However that is my own opinion, and I'm not entering into a my screenreader
is better than yours thread on here.
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Narrator to slow and clunky?
What do you meen with clunky?
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It seems to me like Microsoft are slipping back into the ways that got them
into the brown sticky stuff with edge. Ie changing things and putting out
releases with no advisory to the screenreader community of a big change in
the system. we have seen it in Skype recently too. Somebody over there at
Microsoft needs to get a better grip on changes that affect access software
and not merely assume narrator is all that matters.

Narrator is still too slow and clunky to use every day.
I was going to get a windows 10 machine but until they stop messing about
I'm sorely tempted to stay old fashioned!

Have they lost that Jenny whats her name from the accessibility management
who seemed to do a good job before?
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Subject: [nvda] FW: [win10] Version 1709 and beyond: screen readers must
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#ADVISORY #WinTen1709 #WinTen1803


Hi all,



First, apologies for mentioning competition, but I felt it is best to do
so
given the overall context. Second, the advisory is deemed major (to severe
for some cases) and is applicable for people running Windows 10 Fall
Creators Update and beyond. The source of this advisory is a Win10 forum
hosted on Groups.IO at https://win10.groups.io/g/win10.



Thanks.



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Joseph Lee
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Subject: [win10] Version 1709 and beyond: screen readers must support uIA
notification event in order to announce various things from apps #ADVISORY
#WinTen1709 #WinTen1803



Hi everyone,



The following advisory is considered major in that it impacts all known
screen readers )except for one or two; feel free to pass this on, although
please do cite where you've got the advisory from):



Problem: notifications from apps such as Calculator, Microsoft Store and
others are not announced by screen readers.



Background: in Windows 10 Version 1709 and later, if apps are written
correctly, they can send notification texts to be announced by screen
readers. A UIA client such as a screen reader must be able to catch this
in
order to announce certain notifications, including Calculator's display
window, app update status in Microsoft Store, various notifications from
Edge, Alarms and Clock and other apps.



Steps to reproduce:



1. While using Windows 10 Version 1709 or later (including current
Insider Preview builds), launch an app such as Alarms and Clock (be sure
it
is the latest version).
2. In case of Alarms and Clock, go to Stopwatch tab and start and stop
the stopwatch.
3. For Calculator, do some calculations.



Expected: screen reader announces messages such as "Stopwatch stopped" in
Alarms and Clock and "display is something" in Calculator.

Actual: only Narrator announces such texts.

Cause: other screen readers do not track UIA notification event. This is
due
to the fact that Version 1709 introduces this event, which requires
tracking
a newer UIA interface.



Known solutions/mitigations/workarounds and impact:



* Narrator: green light/okay; works out of the box (requires Version
1709 and later).
* JAWS for Windows: red light/major; no support (version 2018.1802.78
did not solve the Calculator display text problem, for instance).
* NonVisual Desktop Access: yellow light/solution being tested
(through an add-on update).



This advisory will be closed once major screen readers (in addition to the
three listed above) provides at least a basic solution.



Cheers,

Joseph