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Problems due to refreshing of display

Hermann-Josef Kurzen
 

Hi there,

while setting up a router (Fritzbox) the display is updated every few seconds. Also the focus is jumping around.
I would like to deactivate or reduce refreshing of the display.
But I didn't find a suitable NVDA-Setting. In other screenreaders like Jaws there is an option which performs as wanted. Why isn't there an option in NVDA? Or should I submit a ticket?


Greetings - Hermann







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HiIt's more to do with the synthesizer in use. For example if I use Notepad and open the file menu, the first item is voiced as "New control+n nâ?&#65533;, indicating I can use Alt+f n or Control+n to open a new notepad document. If I check this menu entry by letter it is actually written as "New Ctrl+n nâ?&#65533; and it's the synthesizer in my case Onecore Mark that speaks C T R L as Control, not NVDA. I realise this is the opposite of what you are getting but you could always put an entry in the synthesizer dictionary, replacing cntrl with Control whenever it is encountered but be careful you do not compromise other word pronunciations, particularly in the case of the "ctlâ?&#65533; abbreviation of Control.

Cheers
Chris

From: E.T. via groups.io
Sent: 27 June 2020 00:37
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Some NVDA Questions

Ok I won't worry about the unknown. :)

I know how the menu system works. If one has super memory then
knowing all the shortcuts would be fine.

What I am talking about is that NVDA will not read 'ctrl' as
'control' but spells the letters out. Another one might be F3 for find
next. NVDA reads that as 'f3n'. I have a hearing impairment so this
makes it more difficult to understand.

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On 6/26/2020 4:08 PM, Gene wrote:
Unknown means something, it could be anything, is unknown to NVDA.  NVDA
is simply telling you that it doesn't know how to read something.
Often, it doesn't matter.  If you hear what you should, it doesn't
matter.  Its just clutter.  If you hear unknown instead of what you
should hear, then there is a problem and there is probably nothing you
can do because the screen-reader itself doesn't know what something is.

I'm not sure what you are asking for in terms of how control plus letter
is read.  For example, in a new menu, new document may be control n.
New message in an e-mail program may be control n.  In both cases, you
are creating something new, a new document you are going to work with or
a new message you are going to write.  You must hear control and the
letter. Either by itself means nothing.

The purpose of such short ccuts is to avoid opening a menu.  You execute
a command directly from the program window.  You will also hear the menu
shortcut when you are moving through a menu.  For example, you might
hear new message as a menu item, then control n, then a letter.  The
letter is the short cut you use when you are in the menu.  For example,
in a file menu new something may have a control n short cut.  It may
also have a letter, such as d.  I've never seen d used in this way, it
is an example.  Let's say it means document.  If you want to use the
shortcut that opens the menu, you would use alt f then d for new
document.  If you want to bypass the menu and use only one command, you
would use control n.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: E.T. via groups.io
Sent: Friday, June 26, 2020 2:50 PM
To: NVDA
Subject: [nvda] Some NVDA Questions

   I am more comfortable with Voiceover but need to keep running
Windows for some applications.

   First, I'm still using NVDA 2019.2 because I have one purchased
voice. Have any new voices been added to later versions? The purchased
voice is Voiceover's Samantha voice or close to it.

   One web pages, and maybe elsewhere, sometimes I hear 'unknown'. Not
sure what element is spoken that way. Can I change it?

   When NVDA speaks shortcuts, for example, ctrl-a, it speaks the
letters. Can I change this so 'control' is spoken instead? Thanks much.

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Re: CODE FACTORY’S ELOQUENCE SAYING THE TIME WEIRD?

Gerardo Corripio
 

Sorry for not clarifying: it’s not the punctuation I’m talking about. It’s how it reads numbers while in the time: in Tiflotecnia’s Vocalizer, and Acapela, 7:30PM, it reads it when spoken: 7:30, whereas the Code Factory’s Eloquence, reads it as 07/.30. what setting needs to be changed for Eloquence to read it as with the other synths? Hope I’m making better sense this time around?

Gera
Enviado desde mi iPhone SE (2nd Generation) de Telcel

El 27 jun 2020, a la(s) 1:14 a.m., Gene <gsasner@...> escribió:

You aren't indicating how it is read in a way a synthesizer knows what you are indicating. You appear to be saying that you hear the colon being rread. If you set punctuation to none in NVDA, I suspect you won't hear the colon spoken. If you don't want to hear any punctuation anywhere, that will probably solve the problem.

If you do want to hear punctuation elsewhere, it may require some sort of regular expression in the speech dictionary. Others may be able to tell you how to implement it.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Gerardo Corripio
Sent: Saturday, June 27, 2020 12:18 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] CODE FACTORY’S ELOQUENCE SAYING THE TIME WEIRD?

TRYING OUT THE 7-DAY TRIAL OF THE COEE CODE FACTORY’S ELOQUENCE SYNTHESIZER (I’VE 6 DAYS LEFT), WITH THE INCONVENIENCE OF WHEN CHECKING THE TIME VIA the NVDA+F12 command, the time of 7:35PM, is read by Eloquence as 7:35PM. What setting needs to be changed for the time to be read right, like with Tiflotecnia’s vocalizer which reads it right? Thanks for info.

Gera
Enviado desde mi iPhone SE (2nd Generation) de Telcel




Re: Some NVDA Questions

Chris Mullins
 

HiIt’s more to do with the synthesizer in use.  For example if I use Notepad and open the file menu, the first item is voiced as “New control+n n”, indicating I can use Alt+f n or Control+n to open a new notepad document.  If I check this menu entry by letter it is actually written as “New Ctrl+n n” and it’s the synthesizer in my case Onecore Mark that speaks C T R L as Control, not NVDA.  I realise this is the opposite of what you are getting but you could always put an entry in the synthesizer dictionary, replacing cntrl with Control whenever it is encountered but be careful you do not compromise other word pronunciations, particularly in the case of the “ctl” abbreviation of Control.

 

Cheers

Chris     

 

From: E.T. via groups.io
Sent: 27 June 2020 00:37
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Some NVDA Questions

 

    Ok I won't worry about the unknown. :)

 

    I know how the menu system works. If one has super memory then

knowing all the shortcuts would be fine.

 

    What I am talking about is that NVDA will not read 'ctrl' as

'control' but spells the letters out. Another one might be F3 for find

next. NVDA reads that as 'f3n'. I have a hearing impairment so this

makes it more difficult to understand.

 

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On 6/26/2020 4:08 PM, Gene wrote:

> Unknown means something, it could be anything, is unknown to NVDA.  NVDA

> is simply telling you that it doesn't know how to read something.

> Often, it doesn't matter.  If you hear what you should, it doesn't

> matter.  Its just clutter.  If you hear unknown instead of what you

> should hear, then there is a problem and there is probably nothing you

> can do because the screen-reader itself doesn't know what something is.

>

> I'm not sure what you are asking for in terms of how control plus letter

> is read.  For example, in a new menu, new document may be control n.

> New message in an e-mail program may be control n.  In both cases, you

> are creating something new, a new document you are going to work with or

> a new message you are going to write.  You must hear control and the

> letter. Either by itself means nothing.

>

> The purpose of such short ccuts is to avoid opening a menu.  You execute

> a command directly from the program window.  You will also hear the menu

> shortcut when you are moving through a menu.  For example, you might

> hear new message as a menu item, then control n, then a letter.  The

> letter is the short cut you use when you are in the menu.  For example,

> in a file menu new something may have a control n short cut.  It may

> also have a letter, such as d.  I've never seen d used in this way, it

> is an example.  Let's say it means document.  If you want to use the

> shortcut that opens the menu, you would use alt f then d for new

> document.  If you want to bypass the menu and use only one command, you

> would use control n.

>

> Gene

> -----Original Message----- From: E.T. via groups.io

> Sent: Friday, June 26, 2020 2:50 PM

> To: NVDA

> Subject: [nvda] Some NVDA Questions

>

>     I am more comfortable with Voiceover but need to keep running

> Windows for some applications.

>

>     First, I'm still using NVDA 2019.2 because I have one purchased

> voice. Have any new voices been added to later versions? The purchased

> voice is Voiceover's Samantha voice or close to it.

>

>     One web pages, and maybe elsewhere, sometimes I hear 'unknown'. Not

> sure what element is spoken that way. Can I change it?

>

>     When NVDA speaks shortcuts, for example, ctrl-a, it speaks the

> letters. Can I change this so 'control' is spoken instead? Thanks much.

>

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>     Ancient.Aliens@...

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>

>

>

>

>

>

 

 

 


Re: nvda ocr

 

Salam and thanks.
may i ask since which version of windows ten, arabic language ocr
support was added?
i read in microsoft website that in windows ten 1607,
only 25 languages were included and it had not arabic.
how about farsi, (persian)?

On 6/27/20, Fawaz Abdul rahman <fawaz.ar94@...> wrote:
Supports Arabic yes.





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From: zahra
Sent: Saturday, June 27, 2020 8:29 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda ocr



hello.

can someone please tell me that does windows ten ocr support arabic

and persian language?

thanks and God bless you all!



On 6/27/20, Aschalew Byness <gakidan.ashagre235@...> wrote:

yeah, I am using windows 10 64 bit. what do you mean when you says
'amharic is available as ocr language'? are you telling me that I can
ocr Amharic documents? how? because, when I go to nvda setting windows
10 ocr and choose language, I find only english language in the
cambobox.
On 6/25/20, Aschalew Byness <gakidan.ashagre235@...> wrote:
Hi lovely guys
I always try to have nvda recognize image or scanned documents with
insert+r. I don't get any result though. but, in jaws, when I press
insert + space, o, c, I hear a kind of bip sound to let me know that
the recognition is in process. it also lets me know when it finishes
recognizing the document. I don't get the same in nvda although I
press insert +r. it is dead silence. does this nvda OCR recognition
really work.




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with all they contain

in order that

I may disobey God

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from the husk of a grain of barley,

I would not do it.

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were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
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I would not do it.
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Re: nvda ocr

Fawaz Abdul rahman
 

Supports Arabic yes.

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: zahra
Sent: Saturday, June 27, 2020 8:29 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda ocr

 

hello.

can someone please tell me that does windows ten ocr support arabic

and persian language?

thanks and God bless you all!

 

On 6/27/20, Aschalew Byness <gakidan.ashagre235@...> wrote:

> yeah, I am using windows 10 64 bit. what do you mean when you says

> 'amharic is available as ocr language'? are you telling me that I can

> ocr Amharic documents? how? because, when I go to nvda setting windows

> 10 ocr and choose language, I find only english language in the

> cambobox.

> On 6/25/20, Aschalew Byness <gakidan.ashagre235@...> wrote:

>> Hi lovely guys

>> I always try to have nvda recognize image or scanned documents with

>> insert+r. I don't get any result though. but, in jaws, when I press

>> insert + space, o, c, I hear a kind of bip sound to let me know that

>> the recognition is in process. it also lets me know when it finishes

>> recognizing the document. I don't get the same in nvda although I

>> press insert +r. it is dead silence. does this nvda OCR recognition

>> really work.

>> 

>

 

 

--

By God,

were I given all the seven heavens

with all they contain

in order that

I may disobey God

by depriving an ant

from the husk of a grain of barley,

I would not do it.

imam ali

 

 

 


Re: CODE FACTORY’S ELOQUENCE SAYING THE TIME WEIRD?

Gene
 

You aren't indicating how it is read in a way a synthesizer knows what you are indicating. You appear to be saying that you hear the colon being rread. If you set punctuation to none in NVDA, I suspect you won't hear the colon spoken. If you don't want to hear any punctuation anywhere, that will probably solve the problem.

If you do want to hear punctuation elsewhere, it may require some sort of regular expression in the speech dictionary. Others may be able to tell you how to implement it.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Gerardo Corripio
Sent: Saturday, June 27, 2020 12:18 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] CODE FACTORY’S ELOQUENCE SAYING THE TIME WEIRD?

TRYING OUT THE 7-DAY TRIAL OF THE COEE CODE FACTORY’S ELOQUENCE SYNTHESIZER (I’VE 6 DAYS LEFT), WITH THE INCONVENIENCE OF WHEN CHECKING THE TIME VIA the NVDA+F12 command, the time of 7:35PM, is read by Eloquence as 7:35PM. What setting needs to be changed for the time to be read right, like with Tiflotecnia’s vocalizer which reads it right? Thanks for info.

Gera
Enviado desde mi iPhone SE (2nd Generation) de Telcel


Re: nvda ocr

 

hello.
can someone please tell me that does windows ten ocr support arabic
and persian language?
thanks and God bless you all!

On 6/27/20, Aschalew Byness <gakidan.ashagre235@...> wrote:
yeah, I am using windows 10 64 bit. what do you mean when you says
'amharic is available as ocr language'? are you telling me that I can
ocr Amharic documents? how? because, when I go to nvda setting windows
10 ocr and choose language, I find only english language in the
cambobox.

On 6/25/20, Aschalew Byness <gakidan.ashagre235@...> wrote:
Hi lovely guys
I always try to have nvda recognize image or scanned documents with
insert+r. I don't get any result though. but, in jaws, when I press
insert + space, o, c, I hear a kind of bip sound to let me know that
the recognition is in process. it also lets me know when it finishes
recognizing the document. I don't get the same in nvda although I
press insert +r. it is dead silence. does this nvda OCR recognition
really work.


--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali


CODE FACTORY’S ELOQUENCE SAYING THE TIME WEIRD?

Gerardo Corripio
 

TRYING OUT THE 7-DAY TRIAL OF THE COEE CODE FACTORY’S ELOQUENCE SYNTHESIZER (I’VE 6 DAYS LEFT), WITH THE INCONVENIENCE OF WHEN CHECKING THE TIME VIA the NVDA+F12 command, the time of 7:35PM, is read by Eloquence as 7:35PM. What setting needs to be changed for the time to be read right, like with Tiflotecnia’s vocalizer which reads it right? Thanks for info.

Gera
Enviado desde mi iPhone SE (2nd Generation) de Telcel


Re: Some NVDA Questions

E.T.
 

Ahh thanks, much better! :)

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On 6/26/2020 9:47 PM, Sam Taylor via groups.io wrote:
No, the letters observed in menus can be disabled by turning off the reporting of object shortcut keys.
This is found under NVDA's settings in the object presentation category.
On 27/06/2020 1:01 pm, E.T. via groups.io wrote:

   I have tried quite  few voices but ended up with buying Samantha. Yes perhaps that is where the issue is but I added that to the dictionary and its fine now. But now I wonder if it is Samantha that is adding letters to the menu items as I posted earlier.

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On 6/26/2020 7:07 PM, Gene wrote:
That sounds to me like a synthesizer problem.  Spelling control never happens to me.  The word control as in "control n" is spoken.  What happens when you try another synthesizer?

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: E.T. via groups.io
Sent: Friday, June 26, 2020 6:37 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Some NVDA Questions

    Ok I won't worry about the unknown. :)

    I know how the menu system works. If one has super memory then
knowing all the shortcuts would be fine.

    What I am talking about is that NVDA will not read 'ctrl' as
'control' but spells the letters out. Another one might be F3 for find
next. NVDA reads that as 'f3n'. I have a hearing impairment so this
makes it more difficult to understand.

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On 6/26/2020 4:08 PM, Gene wrote:
Unknown means something, it could be anything, is unknown to NVDA.
NVDA is simply telling you that it doesn't know how to read something.
Often, it doesn't matter.  If you hear what you should, it doesn't matter. Its just clutter.  If you hear unknown instead of what you should hear, then there is a problem and there is probably nothing you can do because the screen-reader itself doesn't know what something is.

I'm not sure what you are asking for in terms of how control plus letter is read.  For example, in a new menu, new document may be control n.
New message in an e-mail program may be control n.  In both cases, you are creating something new, a new document you are going to work with or a new message you are going to write. You must hear control and the letter. Either by itself means nothing.

The purpose of such short ccuts is to avoid opening a menu. You execute a command directly from the program window.  You will also hear the menu shortcut when you are moving through a menu.  For example, you might hear new message as a menu item, then control n, then a letter.  The letter is the short cut you use when you are in the menu.  For example, in a file menu new something may have a control n short cut.  It may also have a letter, such as d.  I've never seen d used in this way, it is an example. Let's say it means document.  If you want to use the shortcut that opens the menu, you would use alt f then d for new document.  If you want to bypass the menu and use only one command, you would use control n.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: E.T. via groups.io
Sent: Friday, June 26, 2020 2:50 PM
To: NVDA
Subject: [nvda] Some NVDA Questions

    I am more comfortable with Voiceover but need to keep running
Windows for some applications.

    First, I'm still using NVDA 2019.2 because I have one purchased
voice. Have any new voices been added to later versions? The purchased
voice is Voiceover's Samantha voice or close to it.

    One web pages, and maybe elsewhere, sometimes I hear 'unknown'. Not
sure what element is spoken that way. Can I change it?

    When NVDA speaks shortcuts, for example, ctrl-a, it speaks the
letters. Can I change this so 'control' is spoken instead? Thanks much.

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Re: Some NVDA Questions

Sam Taylor
 

No, the letters observed in menus can be disabled by turning off the reporting of object shortcut keys.

This is found under NVDA's settings in the object presentation category.


On 27/06/2020 1:01 pm, E.T. via groups.io wrote:

   I have tried quite  few voices but ended up with buying Samantha. Yes perhaps that is where the issue is but I added that to the dictionary and its fine now. But now I wonder if it is Samantha that is adding letters to the menu items as I posted earlier.

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On 6/26/2020 7:07 PM, Gene wrote:
That sounds to me like a synthesizer problem.  Spelling control never happens to me.  The word control as in "control n" is spoken.  What happens when you try another synthesizer?

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: E.T. via groups.io
Sent: Friday, June 26, 2020 6:37 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Some NVDA Questions

    Ok I won't worry about the unknown. :)

    I know how the menu system works. If one has super memory then
knowing all the shortcuts would be fine.

    What I am talking about is that NVDA will not read 'ctrl' as
'control' but spells the letters out. Another one might be F3 for find
next. NVDA reads that as 'f3n'. I have a hearing impairment so this
makes it more difficult to understand.

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in the past. What if it were true?

On 6/26/2020 4:08 PM, Gene wrote:
Unknown means something, it could be anything, is unknown to NVDA.
NVDA is simply telling you that it doesn't know how to read something.
Often, it doesn't matter.  If you hear what you should, it doesn't matter. Its just clutter.  If you hear unknown instead of what you should hear, then there is a problem and there is probably nothing you can do because the screen-reader itself doesn't know what something is.

I'm not sure what you are asking for in terms of how control plus letter is read.  For example, in a new menu, new document may be control n.
New message in an e-mail program may be control n.  In both cases, you are creating something new, a new document you are going to work with or a new message you are going to write.  You must hear control and the letter. Either by itself means nothing.

The purpose of such short ccuts is to avoid opening a menu.  You execute a command directly from the program window.  You will also hear the menu shortcut when you are moving through a menu.  For example, you might hear new message as a menu item, then control n, then a letter.  The letter is the short cut you use when you are in the menu.  For example, in a file menu new something may have a control n short cut.  It may also have a letter, such as d.  I've never seen d used in this way, it is an example. Let's say it means document.  If you want to use the shortcut that opens the menu, you would use alt f then d for new document.  If you want to bypass the menu and use only one command, you would use control n.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: E.T. via groups.io
Sent: Friday, June 26, 2020 2:50 PM
To: NVDA
Subject: [nvda] Some NVDA Questions

    I am more comfortable with Voiceover but need to keep running
Windows for some applications.

    First, I'm still using NVDA 2019.2 because I have one purchased
voice. Have any new voices been added to later versions? The purchased
voice is Voiceover's Samantha voice or close to it.

    One web pages, and maybe elsewhere, sometimes I hear 'unknown'. Not
sure what element is spoken that way. Can I change it?

    When NVDA speaks shortcuts, for example, ctrl-a, it speaks the
letters. Can I change this so 'control' is spoken instead? Thanks much.

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Re: nvda ocr

Aschalew Byness
 

yeah, I am using windows 10 64 bit. what do you mean when you says
'amharic is available as ocr language'? are you telling me that I can
ocr Amharic documents? how? because, when I go to nvda setting windows
10 ocr and choose language, I find only english language in the
cambobox.

On 6/25/20, Aschalew Byness <gakidan.ashagre235@...> wrote:
Hi lovely guys
I always try to have nvda recognize image or scanned documents with
insert+r. I don't get any result though. but, in jaws, when I press
insert + space, o, c, I hear a kind of bip sound to let me know that
the recognition is in process. it also lets me know when it finishes
recognizing the document. I don't get the same in nvda although I
press insert +r. it is dead silence. does this nvda OCR recognition
really work.


Re: Some NVDA Questions

E.T.
 

I have tried quite few voices but ended up with buying Samantha. Yes perhaps that is where the issue is but I added that to the dictionary and its fine now. But now I wonder if it is Samantha that is adding letters to the menu items as I posted earlier.

From E.T.'s Keyboard...
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On 6/26/2020 7:07 PM, Gene wrote:
That sounds to me like a synthesizer problem.  Spelling control never happens to me.  The word control as in "control n" is spoken.  What happens when you try another synthesizer?
Gene
-----Original Message----- From: E.T. via groups.io
Sent: Friday, June 26, 2020 6:37 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Some NVDA Questions
   Ok I won't worry about the unknown. :)
   I know how the menu system works. If one has super memory then
knowing all the shortcuts would be fine.
   What I am talking about is that NVDA will not read 'ctrl' as
'control' but spells the letters out. Another one might be F3 for find
next. NVDA reads that as 'f3n'. I have a hearing impairment so this
makes it more difficult to understand.
From E.T.'s Keyboard...
   Ancient.Aliens@...
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in the past. What if it were true?
On 6/26/2020 4:08 PM, Gene wrote:
Unknown means something, it could be anything, is unknown to NVDA.
NVDA is simply telling you that it doesn't know how to read something.
Often, it doesn't matter.  If you hear what you should, it doesn't matter. Its just clutter.  If you hear unknown instead of what you should hear, then there is a problem and there is probably nothing you can do because the screen-reader itself doesn't know what something is.

I'm not sure what you are asking for in terms of how control plus letter is read.  For example, in a new menu, new document may be control n.
New message in an e-mail program may be control n.  In both cases, you are creating something new, a new document you are going to work with or a new message you are going to write.  You must hear control and the letter. Either by itself means nothing.

The purpose of such short ccuts is to avoid opening a menu.  You execute a command directly from the program window.  You will also hear the menu shortcut when you are moving through a menu.  For example, you might hear new message as a menu item, then control n, then a letter.  The letter is the short cut you use when you are in the menu.  For example, in a file menu new something may have a control n short cut.  It may also have a letter, such as d.  I've never seen d used in this way, it is an example. Let's say it means document.  If you want to use the shortcut that opens the menu, you would use alt f then d for new document.  If you want to bypass the menu and use only one command, you would use control n.

Gene
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Subject: [nvda] Some NVDA Questions

    I am more comfortable with Voiceover but need to keep running
Windows for some applications.

    First, I'm still using NVDA 2019.2 because I have one purchased
voice. Have any new voices been added to later versions? The purchased
voice is Voiceover's Samantha voice or close to it.

    One web pages, and maybe elsewhere, sometimes I hear 'unknown'. Not
sure what element is spoken that way. Can I change it?

    When NVDA speaks shortcuts, for example, ctrl-a, it speaks the
letters. Can I change this so 'control' is spoken instead? Thanks much.

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Focus Issues on Facebook Desktop Site Using Firefox

 

Hello. Is the subject apt for anyone else but me? I am having many focus issues on the Facebook desktop site, using NVDA alpha-20400,675c4c54. I"m using Firefox 77.0.1 on Windows 10 version 1909 Build 18363.900. I've had focus issues for quite some time. Here are latest issues. I will do my best to describe.


When I read posts, I use browse mode, pressing "h" to move from heading to heading. If I want to like a post, I navigate to the like button. When I press enter on it, it appears to be stuck in the reactions area. If I press escape, I am thrown somewhere else on the page.


I try to comment on a post I liked, and it has me doing things to the reactions. I hit the escape key and again, I"m thrown somewhere else on the page. I hope I can help you all solve this one. It is annoying, to say the least.


Re: Some NVDA Questions

Gene
 

Also, if you are going to use the speech dictionary, you need to know how the program displays the term. It isn't written out. It is cntrl. You have to use cntrl in the word field.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Gene
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Subject: Re: [nvda] Some NVDA Questions

That sounds to me like a synthesizer problem. Spelling control never
happens to me. The word control as in "control n" is spoken. What happens
when you try another synthesizer?

Gene
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Ok I won't worry about the unknown. :)

I know how the menu system works. If one has super memory then
knowing all the shortcuts would be fine.

What I am talking about is that NVDA will not read 'ctrl' as
'control' but spells the letters out. Another one might be F3 for find
next. NVDA reads that as 'f3n'. I have a hearing impairment so this
makes it more difficult to understand.

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On 6/26/2020 4:08 PM, Gene wrote:
Unknown means something, it could be anything, is unknown to NVDA. NVDA is simply telling you that it doesn't know how to read something.
Often, it doesn't matter. If you hear what you should, it doesn't matter. Its just clutter. If you hear unknown instead of what you should hear, then there is a problem and there is probably nothing you can do because the screen-reader itself doesn't know what something is.

I'm not sure what you are asking for in terms of how control plus letter is read. For example, in a new menu, new document may be control n.
New message in an e-mail program may be control n. In both cases, you are creating something new, a new document you are going to work with or a new message you are going to write. You must hear control and the letter. Either by itself means nothing.

The purpose of such short ccuts is to avoid opening a menu. You execute a command directly from the program window. You will also hear the menu shortcut when you are moving through a menu. For example, you might hear new message as a menu item, then control n, then a letter. The letter is the short cut you use when you are in the menu. For example, in a file menu new something may have a control n short cut. It may also have a letter, such as d. I've never seen d used in this way, it is an example. Let's say it means document. If you want to use the shortcut that opens the menu, you would use alt f then d for new document. If you want to bypass the menu and use only one command, you would use control n.

Gene
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To: NVDA
Subject: [nvda] Some NVDA Questions

I am more comfortable with Voiceover but need to keep running
Windows for some applications.

First, I'm still using NVDA 2019.2 because I have one purchased
voice. Have any new voices been added to later versions? The purchased
voice is Voiceover's Samantha voice or close to it.

One web pages, and maybe elsewhere, sometimes I hear 'unknown'. Not
sure what element is spoken that way. Can I change it?

When NVDA speaks shortcuts, for example, ctrl-a, it speaks the
letters. Can I change this so 'control' is spoken instead? Thanks much.

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Re: Some NVDA Questions

Sam Taylor
 

True, both ESpeak and the OneCore voices speak C T R L as control.


On 27/06/2020 12:07 pm, Gene wrote:
That sounds to me like a synthesizer problem.  Spelling control never happens to me.  The word control as in "control n" is spoken.  What happens when you try another synthesizer?

Gene
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To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Some NVDA Questions

   Ok I won't worry about the unknown. :)

   I know how the menu system works. If one has super memory then
knowing all the shortcuts would be fine.

   What I am talking about is that NVDA will not read 'ctrl' as
'control' but spells the letters out. Another one might be F3 for find
next. NVDA reads that as 'f3n'. I have a hearing impairment so this
makes it more difficult to understand.

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On 6/26/2020 4:08 PM, Gene wrote:
Unknown means something, it could be anything, is unknown to NVDA.  NVDA is simply telling you that it doesn't know how to read something.
Often, it doesn't matter.  If you hear what you should, it doesn't matter. Its just clutter.  If you hear unknown instead of what you should hear, then there is a problem and there is probably nothing you can do because the screen-reader itself doesn't know what something is.

I'm not sure what you are asking for in terms of how control plus letter is read.  For example, in a new menu, new document may be control n.
New message in an e-mail program may be control n.  In both cases, you are creating something new, a new document you are going to work with or a new message you are going to write.  You must hear control and the letter. Either by itself means nothing.

The purpose of such short ccuts is to avoid opening a menu.  You execute a command directly from the program window.  You will also hear the menu shortcut when you are moving through a menu.  For example, you might hear new message as a menu item, then control n, then a letter.  The letter is the short cut you use when you are in the menu.  For example, in a file menu new something may have a control n short cut.  It may also have a letter, such as d.  I've never seen d used in this way, it is an example. Let's say it means document.  If you want to use the shortcut that opens the menu, you would use alt f then d for new document.  If you want to bypass the menu and use only one command, you would use control n.

Gene
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To: NVDA
Subject: [nvda] Some NVDA Questions

    I am more comfortable with Voiceover but need to keep running
Windows for some applications.

    First, I'm still using NVDA 2019.2 because I have one purchased
voice. Have any new voices been added to later versions? The purchased
voice is Voiceover's Samantha voice or close to it.

    One web pages, and maybe elsewhere, sometimes I hear 'unknown'. Not
sure what element is spoken that way. Can I change it?

    When NVDA speaks shortcuts, for example, ctrl-a, it speaks the
letters. Can I change this so 'control' is spoken instead? Thanks much.

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Re: Some NVDA Questions

Gene
 

That sounds to me like a synthesizer problem. Spelling control never happens to me. The word control as in "control n" is spoken. What happens when you try another synthesizer?

Gene

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Sent: Friday, June 26, 2020 6:37 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Some NVDA Questions

Ok I won't worry about the unknown. :)

I know how the menu system works. If one has super memory then
knowing all the shortcuts would be fine.

What I am talking about is that NVDA will not read 'ctrl' as
'control' but spells the letters out. Another one might be F3 for find
next. NVDA reads that as 'f3n'. I have a hearing impairment so this
makes it more difficult to understand.

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On 6/26/2020 4:08 PM, Gene wrote:
Unknown means something, it could be anything, is unknown to NVDA. NVDA is simply telling you that it doesn't know how to read something.
Often, it doesn't matter. If you hear what you should, it doesn't matter. Its just clutter. If you hear unknown instead of what you should hear, then there is a problem and there is probably nothing you can do because the screen-reader itself doesn't know what something is.

I'm not sure what you are asking for in terms of how control plus letter is read. For example, in a new menu, new document may be control n.
New message in an e-mail program may be control n. In both cases, you are creating something new, a new document you are going to work with or a new message you are going to write. You must hear control and the letter. Either by itself means nothing.

The purpose of such short ccuts is to avoid opening a menu. You execute a command directly from the program window. You will also hear the menu shortcut when you are moving through a menu. For example, you might hear new message as a menu item, then control n, then a letter. The letter is the short cut you use when you are in the menu. For example, in a file menu new something may have a control n short cut. It may also have a letter, such as d. I've never seen d used in this way, it is an example. Let's say it means document. If you want to use the shortcut that opens the menu, you would use alt f then d for new document. If you want to bypass the menu and use only one command, you would use control n.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: E.T. via groups.io
Sent: Friday, June 26, 2020 2:50 PM
To: NVDA
Subject: [nvda] Some NVDA Questions

I am more comfortable with Voiceover but need to keep running
Windows for some applications.

First, I'm still using NVDA 2019.2 because I have one purchased
voice. Have any new voices been added to later versions? The purchased
voice is Voiceover's Samantha voice or close to it.

One web pages, and maybe elsewhere, sometimes I hear 'unknown'. Not
sure what element is spoken that way. Can I change it?

When NVDA speaks shortcuts, for example, ctrl-a, it speaks the
letters. Can I change this so 'control' is spoken instead? Thanks much.

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Re: Some NVDA Questions

Gene
 

But it is common to have NVDA say unknown in a browser and continue reading properly. the registration fixing tool is for fixing problems where all you hear or almost all you hear in some browsers is the word unknown and almost nothing is read. It also corrects other problems but I don't recall just what they are.

There is no harm in running the utility but I don't think anything is wrong.

Gene
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From: Luke Davis
Sent: Friday, June 26, 2020 6:51 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Some NVDA Questions

On Fri, 26 Jun 2020, E.T. via groups.io wrote:

Ok I won't worry about the unknown. :)
You can always try running the Com registration fixing tool from the tools menu
of NVDA, to try to fix your unknowns. It may or may not help, but it won't
hurt.

What I am talking about is that NVDA will not read 'ctrl' as 'control' but spells the letters out. Another one might be F3 for find next. NVDA reads that as 'f3n'. I have a hearing impairment so this makes it more difficult to understand.
Actually, you're hearing two things there.

If you're in the edit menu, and there is a find next command, pressing "n" will
get you to it. However if you're not in the edit menu, and you just want to do a
find next from where-ever you happen to be, then you would use "F3", which is
your third function key.

So you are hearing F3, N (two separate commands). Both are ways to get to find
next, but they are different ways of getting there.
You can either press alt+e, then n; or you can press F3.

Luke


Re: Some NVDA Questions

Luke Davis
 

On Fri, 26 Jun 2020, E.T. via groups.io wrote:

Ok I won't worry about the unknown. :)
You can always try running the Com registration fixing tool from the tools menu of NVDA, to try to fix your unknowns. It may or may not help, but it won't hurt.

What I am talking about is that NVDA will not read 'ctrl' as 'control' but spells the letters out. Another one might be F3 for find next. NVDA reads that as 'f3n'. I have a hearing impairment so this makes it more difficult to understand.
Actually, you're hearing two things there.

If you're in the edit menu, and there is a find next command, pressing "n" will get you to it. However if you're not in the edit menu, and you just want to do a find next from where-ever you happen to be, then you would use "F3", which is your third function key.

So you are hearing F3, N (two separate commands). Both are ways to get to find next, but they are different ways of getting there.
You can either press alt+e, then n; or you can press F3.

Luke


Re: Some NVDA Questions

E.T.
 

That is all I wanted to find out. I did not think the dictionary would handle this kind of element. I will sure try it. Thanks.

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On 6/26/2020 4:45 PM, Sam Taylor via groups.io wrote:
CTRL is used in place of control in many applications. If you don't like it being read as ctrl, you could always change the text string in NVDA's speech dictionary.
On 27/06/2020 9:37 am, E.T. via groups.io wrote:
   Ok I won't worry about the unknown. :)

   I know how the menu system works. If one has super memory then knowing all the shortcuts would be fine.

   What I am talking about is that NVDA will not read 'ctrl' as 'control' but spells the letters out. Another one might be F3 for find next. NVDA reads that as 'f3n'. I have a hearing impairment so this makes it more difficult to understand.

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On 6/26/2020 4:08 PM, Gene wrote:
Unknown means something, it could be anything, is unknown to NVDA.
NVDA is simply telling you that it doesn't know how to read something.
Often, it doesn't matter.  If you hear what you should, it doesn't matter.  Its just clutter.  If you hear unknown instead of what you should hear, then there is a problem and there is probably nothing you can do because the screen-reader itself doesn't know what something is.

I'm not sure what you are asking for in terms of how control plus letter is read.  For example, in a new menu, new document may be control n.
New message in an e-mail program may be control n.  In both cases, you are creating something new, a new document you are going to work with or a new message you are going to write.  You must hear control and the letter. Either by itself means nothing.

The purpose of such short ccuts is to avoid opening a menu.  You execute a command directly from the program window.  You will also hear the menu shortcut when you are moving through a menu. For example, you might hear new message as a menu item, then control n, then a letter.  The letter is the short cut you use when you are in the menu.  For example, in a file menu new something may have a control n short cut.  It may also have a letter, such as d.  I've never seen d used in this way, it is an example.  Let's say it means document.  If you want to use the shortcut that opens the menu, you would use alt f then d for new document.  If you want to bypass the menu and use only one command, you would use control n.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: E.T. via groups.io
Sent: Friday, June 26, 2020 2:50 PM
To: NVDA
Subject: [nvda] Some NVDA Questions

    I am more comfortable with Voiceover but need to keep running
Windows for some applications.

    First, I'm still using NVDA 2019.2 because I have one purchased
voice. Have any new voices been added to later versions? The purchased
voice is Voiceover's Samantha voice or close to it.

    One web pages, and maybe elsewhere, sometimes I hear 'unknown'. Not
sure what element is spoken that way. Can I change it?

    When NVDA speaks shortcuts, for example, ctrl-a, it speaks the
letters. Can I change this so 'control' is spoken instead? Thanks much.

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Re: Some NVDA Questions

Sam Taylor
 

CTRL is used in place of control in many applications. If you don't like it being read as ctrl, you could always change the text string in NVDA's speech dictionary.


On 27/06/2020 9:37 am, E.T. via groups.io wrote:
   Ok I won't worry about the unknown. :)

   I know how the menu system works. If one has super memory then knowing all the shortcuts would be fine.

   What I am talking about is that NVDA will not read 'ctrl' as 'control' but spells the letters out. Another one might be F3 for find next. NVDA reads that as 'f3n'. I have a hearing impairment so this makes it more difficult to understand.

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On 6/26/2020 4:08 PM, Gene wrote:
Unknown means something, it could be anything, is unknown to NVDA.  NVDA is simply telling you that it doesn't know how to read something.
Often, it doesn't matter.  If you hear what you should, it doesn't matter.  Its just clutter.  If you hear unknown instead of what you should hear, then there is a problem and there is probably nothing you can do because the screen-reader itself doesn't know what something is.

I'm not sure what you are asking for in terms of how control plus letter is read.  For example, in a new menu, new document may be control n.
New message in an e-mail program may be control n.  In both cases, you are creating something new, a new document you are going to work with or a new message you are going to write.  You must hear control and the letter. Either by itself means nothing.

The purpose of such short ccuts is to avoid opening a menu.  You execute a command directly from the program window.  You will also hear the menu shortcut when you are moving through a menu.  For example, you might hear new message as a menu item, then control n, then a letter.  The letter is the short cut you use when you are in the menu.  For example, in a file menu new something may have a control n short cut.  It may also have a letter, such as d.  I've never seen d used in this way, it is an example.  Let's say it means document.  If you want to use the shortcut that opens the menu, you would use alt f then d for new document.  If you want to bypass the menu and use only one command, you would use control n.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: E.T. via groups.io
Sent: Friday, June 26, 2020 2:50 PM
To: NVDA
Subject: [nvda] Some NVDA Questions

    I am more comfortable with Voiceover but need to keep running
Windows for some applications.

    First, I'm still using NVDA 2019.2 because I have one purchased
voice. Have any new voices been added to later versions? The purchased
voice is Voiceover's Samantha voice or close to it.

    One web pages, and maybe elsewhere, sometimes I hear 'unknown'. Not
sure what element is spoken that way. Can I change it?

    When NVDA speaks shortcuts, for example, ctrl-a, it speaks the
letters. Can I change this so 'control' is spoken instead? Thanks much.

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