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Re: Microsoft Edge is Starting to Grow on Me.

Kenny <kwashingtonbox@...>
 

You first hit [Windows key]+[s]. Then type in Edge. Highlight the "Microsoft Edge" reference from the listed results, and bring up the context menu. Select "Pin to taskbar" menu option.


Then navigate to the Microsoft Edge shortcut now found on your Taskbar. Bring up the Context menu again and select "Create shortcut."


Windows will display a dialog box saying the following:


"Shortcut  dialog  Windows can't create a shortcut here.
Do you want the shortcut to be placed on the desktop instead?"


You select Yes and then you're done.

On 7/13/2018 4:57 PM, Don H wrote:
I too am trying to use Edge more often.  One question that I can't find the answer to is how to place a shortcut to Edge on the desktop.  I see how to pin it to the start menu and task bar but not to the desktop.  I tried finding the executable file for edge but can't even find that.



Re: I think Avast is a virus :-)

 

One thing I have done is turn off all monitering in options, but yeah ccleaner is becoming sneaky, I have always turned off monitering and nothing has happened to me but if this does continue, I may have to go else where, I like ccleaner on my workstations and its ease of access.

But its starting to become a dog just like norton, worse if you customise it in its ini file and there are a load of them the engine slows right down.

I'd hate to loose it but to be honest I don't know where to go.

Puran seems the best but things need to stay updated, ccleaner is this at least its updated frequently.

On 7/14/2018 10:14 AM, Desiree Oudinot wrote:
Hi,

I very rarely post on this list, but this message warrants a response.


I, too, have had CCleaner install Avast even when I've declined the offer during installation. Once it's launched, it seems to do something in the background to install it. As a result, I began using the portable version of CCleaner to avoid this problem.


I believe this is unacceptable, but until now, had also never seen anyone discussing the issue, so I figured I had done something to trigger it. But perhaps not.


On 7/13/2018 4:35 PM, Gene wrote:
Then why has no other CCleaner user reported the problem not just on this list, but on the other two active Windows users lists I'm on?  It doesn't seem plausible.
How have you tried to remove Avast in the past?  And if you really think its CCleaner, why not completely remove CCleaner and see what happens?
But rather than do that, doing what I suggest below may yield the wanted result without doing unnecessary and likely ineffective work.
I don't know how you might stop it.  the question may well be too specific and essoteric for the list.  Why not ask somewhere like Bleeping Computer where geeks hang out to help with technical questions that range from simple to obscure.
Gene
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*Sent:* Friday, July 13, 2018 3:28 PM
*To:* nvda@groups.io <mailto:nvda@groups.io>
*Subject:* [nvda] I think Avast is a virus :-)

I'm having terrible trouble stopping this anti virus once installed and
removed from making frequent attempts to reinstall itself. I have a
suspicion that Ccleaner is responsible for apparent random downloads in the
background without any input from a user. It then sits there and out of the
blue  comes up as installing.

Does anyone know of a third party program that can spot this and actually
stop it. maybe an entry in Microsofts windows 7 firewall or something.
 Unfortunately, the machine in question is a device used by both sighted and
blind, and its only when I get there and find this inaccessible over active
impossible to remove bit of so called anti virus software that I get very
annoyed. I want to make it absolutely impossible to install it.
 Any ideas?
 Brian

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Re: I think Avast is a virus :-)

 

I would be happy to buy ccleaner, but for the issue of accessibility, yes I can and do use it but thats about it.

I don't need to configure it much so I just use it..

I had a similar issue with an hp computer I got for family.

They always told you to make an account to get into their support system.

Their system was accessible enough, though some things could be better after signing in, it simply didn't work, when I logged out it was back again for what it was worth but even so.

I guess I should buy it but I only use the manual mode I don't want automatically monitering, I don't clean the registry, shread files, etc just clean junk files.

If there is something that just works I may go for that.

On 7/14/2018 9:35 AM, Chris via Groups.Io wrote:
I guess this is the free version that’s doing this

As far as I can see the only way to stop automatic downloads is to buy the ccleaner product

Otherwise it cant be turned off along with all the advertising it pops up now 😃



From: Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
Sent: 13 July 2018 21:28
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] I think Avast is a virus :-)

I'm having terrible trouble stopping this anti virus once installed and
removed from making frequent attempts to reinstall itself. I have a
suspicion that Ccleaner is responsible for apparent random downloads in the
background without any input from a user. It then sits there and out of the
blue comes up as installing.

Does anyone know of a third party program that can spot this and actually
stop it. maybe an entry in Microsofts windows 7 firewall or something.
Unfortunately, the machine in question is a device used by both sighted and
blind, and its only when I get there and find this inaccessible over active
impossible to remove bit of so called anti virus software that I get very
annoyed. I want to make it absolutely impossible to install it.
Any ideas?
Brian

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Re: Jeff's addon repository

 

Well I really hope that code factory can improve their licencing system, right now, if you don't deactivate the licences before your next windows feature update you loose them, thats fine but there are updates a lot of them, and sometimes especially with home systems they get updated automatically.

I was going to legally buy, but I am not going that way, in fact I need to rethink what speech synths I buy if any or if I stay with the os ones only.

On 7/14/2018 9:00 AM, Gene wrote:
Many people are using the legal Eloquence with NVDA so I expect that information will be forthcoming.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Kenny Peyattt jr.
Sent: Friday, July 13, 2018 3:56 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Jeff's addon repository


I would not download it because it is alegal. I would try purchasing the eti eloquence voices. I don’t know the site to get them from but some one on this list might be able to poast a link for you to purchase the voices.

Kenny Peyatt jr.


From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sociohack AC
Sent: Friday, July 13, 2018 4:04 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Jeff's addon repository


Hi!
I'm new to all this. Somebody suggested to use eloquence addon for NVDA. It's available on this website called, Jeff's Repository. Is is safe to download from there?


Re: I think Avast is a virus :-)

Gene
 

I would assume it would have installed when you installed CCleaner, not when you ran it.  I'm not sure what caused to happen what appeared to happen.  I don't use CCleaner and I don't know how it updates itself.  In other words, if it updated the program, perhaps it installed Avast then but I'm just speculating.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, July 13, 2018 6:40 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] I think Avast is a virus :-)

I thought this as well, so it's very possible that I thought the offer got declined when it really wasn't. The odd thing is, Avast only installed after I ran CCleaner for the first time after a fresh installation. So, when exactly does Avast embed itself? I distinctly recall trying to uncheck the offer, thinking I had succeeded, and then going on to the next part of the setup process. Nothing was said about Avast at that point. It was only after I launched CCleaner after installation that it happened. I don't know if it would have continued to try and install afterwards; I switched to the portable version at that point, wanting no further parts of any forced offers.


On 7/13/2018 7:06 PM, Gene wrote:
I didn't say it wouldn't install Avast when you install CCleaner.  But the original message said that CCleaner is periodically reinstalled after being uninstalled and it didn't say this only happened when a new version of CCleaner was installed.
 
If that happened as a general behavior, it would have caused tremendous outcry from those, sighted and blind, using CCleaner who had mistakenly installed Avast and then removed it.  Where is that outcry?
Also, given the difficulty and inaccessibility of many decline parts of free software, I suspect that you thought you had declined it, but didn't. 
 
Companies try to sneak software onto machines but the company that owns Avast and CCleaner wouldn't damage its reputation by doing something blatantly illegal such as having Avast installed even when a user specifically declined the offer.  The company has a very good reputation and, if for no other reason, that's worth a lot of money.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, July 13, 2018 5:14 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] I think Avast is a virus :-)

Hi,

I very rarely post on this list, but this message warrants a response.


I, too, have had CCleaner install Avast even when I've declined the offer during installation. Once it's launched, it seems to do something in the background to install it. As a result, I began using the portable version of CCleaner to avoid this problem.


I believe this is unacceptable, but until now, had also never seen anyone discussing the issue, so I figured I had done something to trigger it. But perhaps not.


On 7/13/2018 4:35 PM, Gene wrote:
Then why has no other CCleaner user reported the problem not just on this list, but on the other two active Windows users lists I'm on?  It doesn't seem plausible. 
 
How have you tried to remove Avast in the past?  And if you really think its CCleaner, why not completely remove CCleaner and see what happens? 
 
But rather than do that, doing what I suggest below may yield the wanted result without doing unnecessary and likely ineffective work. 
 
I don't know how you might stop it.  the question may well be too specific and essoteric for the list.  Why not ask somewhere like Bleeping Computer where geeks hang out to help with technical questions that range from simple to obscure.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, July 13, 2018 3:28 PM
Subject: [nvda] I think Avast is a virus :-)

I'm having terrible trouble stopping this anti virus once installed and
removed from making frequent attempts to reinstall itself. I have a
suspicion that Ccleaner is responsible for apparent random downloads in the
background without any input from a user. It then sits there and out of the
blue  comes up as installing.

Does anyone know of a third party program that can spot this and actually
stop it. maybe an entry in Microsofts windows 7 firewall or something.
 Unfortunately, the machine in question is a device used by both sighted and
blind, and its only when I get there and find this inaccessible over active
impossible to remove bit of so called anti virus software that  I get very
annoyed. I want to make it absolutely impossible to install it.
 Any ideas?
 Brian

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Re: I think Avast is a virus :-)

bob jutzi <jutzi1@...>
 

Exactly my impressions of Avast and that's been 10 years ago.
From what I'm reading on here, things haven't exactly improved. The only thing worse is McAfee.
The Dell Inspiron desktop I purchased last year came with McAfee and I had no recourse but to first download all drivers, then completely install Windows 10 from scratch.

On 7/13/2018 7:43 PM, Jackie wrote:
I frankly have seldom, if ever, seen an antimalware program that has
real-time protection enabled be uninstalled using the Control Panel
w/o first stopping services. Sometimes you can go down to the systray
(Windows Key b), right click on the icon, & select exit from the
context menu. The program can then be uninstalled that way, ie, via
Control Panel. It all rather depends on the particular piece of
software, but these are techniques that can be of assistance.
On 7/13/18, Gene <gsasner@ripco.com> wrote:
not necessarily. When I've uninstalled antimalware programs in the past,
and read information from the manufacturer about how to do so, the ones I
have uninstalled have said to do so from Programs and Features first and if
that didn't work, to use something else like an uninstall tool.

You can't just turn off services antivirus programs use in many cases
because these services are monitored by the program's self-defence module.
That module is intended to keep malware from doing just that, turning off
the program so the malware can damage the program and infiltrate the machine
once the program is off.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Jackie
Sent: Friday, July 13, 2018 6:27 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] I think Avast is a virus :-)


In order to uninstall any antivirus software, you first have to stop
the service(s) that it uses. Please go to Control Panel >
Administrative Tools > Services & set any & all services associated
w/the software to disabled. Then stop the service.

On 7/13/18, Gene <gsasner@ripco.com> wrote:
I didn't say it wouldn't install Avast when you install CCleaner. But
the
original message said that CCleaner is periodically reinstalled after
being
uninstalled and it didn't say this only happened when a new version of
CCleaner was installed.

If that happened as a general behavior, it would have caused tremendous
outcry from those, sighted and blind, using CCleaner who had mistakenly
installed Avast and then removed it. Where is that outcry?
Also, given the difficulty and inaccessibility of many decline parts of
free
software, I suspect that you thought you had declined it, but didn't.

Companies try to sneak software onto machines but the company that owns
Avast and CCleaner wouldn't damage its reputation by doing something
blatantly illegal such as having Avast installed even when a user
specifically declined the offer. The company has a very good reputation
and, if for no other reason, that's worth a lot of money.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Desiree Oudinot
Sent: Friday, July 13, 2018 5:14 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] I think Avast is a virus :-)


Hi,

I very rarely post on this list, but this message warrants a response.




I, too, have had CCleaner install Avast even when I've declined the offer
during installation. Once it's launched, it seems to do something in the
background to install it. As a result, I began using the portable version
of
CCleaner to avoid this problem.




I believe this is unacceptable, but until now, had also never seen anyone
discussing the issue, so I figured I had done something to trigger it.
But
perhaps not.




On 7/13/2018 4:35 PM, Gene wrote:

Then why has no other CCleaner user reported the problem not just on
this
list, but on the other two active Windows users lists I'm on? It doesn't
seem plausible.

How have you tried to remove Avast in the past? And if you really
think
its CCleaner, why not completely remove CCleaner and see what happens?

But rather than do that, doing what I suggest below may yield the
wanted
result without doing unnecessary and likely ineffective work.

I don't know how you might stop it. the question may well be too
specific
and essoteric for the list. Why not ask somewhere like Bleeping Computer
where geeks hang out to help with technical questions that range from
simple
to obscure.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
Sent: Friday, July 13, 2018 3:28 PM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] I think Avast is a virus :-)


I'm having terrible trouble stopping this anti virus once installed and
removed from making frequent attempts to reinstall itself. I have a
suspicion that Ccleaner is responsible for apparent random downloads in
the
background without any input from a user. It then sits there and out of
the
blue comes up as installing.

Does anyone know of a third party program that can spot this and
actually

stop it. maybe an entry in Microsofts windows 7 firewall or something.
Unfortunately, the machine in question is a device used by both
sighted
and
blind, and its only when I get there and find this inaccessible over
active
impossible to remove bit of so called anti virus software that I get
very

annoyed. I want to make it absolutely impossible to install it.
Any ideas?
Brian

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Re: I think Avast is a virus :-)

Jackie
 

I frankly have seldom, if ever, seen an antimalware program that has
real-time protection enabled be uninstalled using the Control Panel
w/o first stopping services. Sometimes you can go down to the systray
(Windows Key b), right click on the icon, & select exit from the
context menu. The program can then be uninstalled that way, ie, via
Control Panel. It all rather depends on the particular piece of
software, but these are techniques that can be of assistance.

On 7/13/18, Gene <gsasner@ripco.com> wrote:
not necessarily. When I've uninstalled antimalware programs in the past,
and read information from the manufacturer about how to do so, the ones I
have uninstalled have said to do so from Programs and Features first and if
that didn't work, to use something else like an uninstall tool.

You can't just turn off services antivirus programs use in many cases
because these services are monitored by the program's self-defence module.
That module is intended to keep malware from doing just that, turning off
the program so the malware can damage the program and infiltrate the machine
once the program is off.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Jackie
Sent: Friday, July 13, 2018 6:27 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] I think Avast is a virus :-)


In order to uninstall any antivirus software, you first have to stop
the service(s) that it uses. Please go to Control Panel >
Administrative Tools > Services & set any & all services associated
w/the software to disabled. Then stop the service.

On 7/13/18, Gene <gsasner@ripco.com> wrote:
I didn't say it wouldn't install Avast when you install CCleaner. But
the
original message said that CCleaner is periodically reinstalled after
being
uninstalled and it didn't say this only happened when a new version of
CCleaner was installed.

If that happened as a general behavior, it would have caused tremendous
outcry from those, sighted and blind, using CCleaner who had mistakenly
installed Avast and then removed it. Where is that outcry?
Also, given the difficulty and inaccessibility of many decline parts of
free
software, I suspect that you thought you had declined it, but didn't.

Companies try to sneak software onto machines but the company that owns
Avast and CCleaner wouldn't damage its reputation by doing something
blatantly illegal such as having Avast installed even when a user
specifically declined the offer. The company has a very good reputation
and, if for no other reason, that's worth a lot of money.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Desiree Oudinot
Sent: Friday, July 13, 2018 5:14 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] I think Avast is a virus :-)


Hi,

I very rarely post on this list, but this message warrants a response.




I, too, have had CCleaner install Avast even when I've declined the offer
during installation. Once it's launched, it seems to do something in the
background to install it. As a result, I began using the portable version
of
CCleaner to avoid this problem.




I believe this is unacceptable, but until now, had also never seen anyone
discussing the issue, so I figured I had done something to trigger it.
But
perhaps not.




On 7/13/2018 4:35 PM, Gene wrote:

Then why has no other CCleaner user reported the problem not just on
this
list, but on the other two active Windows users lists I'm on? It doesn't
seem plausible.

How have you tried to remove Avast in the past? And if you really
think
its CCleaner, why not completely remove CCleaner and see what happens?

But rather than do that, doing what I suggest below may yield the
wanted
result without doing unnecessary and likely ineffective work.

I don't know how you might stop it. the question may well be too
specific
and essoteric for the list. Why not ask somewhere like Bleeping Computer
where geeks hang out to help with technical questions that range from
simple
to obscure.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
Sent: Friday, July 13, 2018 3:28 PM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] I think Avast is a virus :-)


I'm having terrible trouble stopping this anti virus once installed and
removed from making frequent attempts to reinstall itself. I have a
suspicion that Ccleaner is responsible for apparent random downloads in
the
background without any input from a user. It then sits there and out of
the
blue comes up as installing.

Does anyone know of a third party program that can spot this and
actually

stop it. maybe an entry in Microsofts windows 7 firewall or something.
Unfortunately, the machine in question is a device used by both
sighted
and
blind, and its only when I get there and find this inaccessible over
active
impossible to remove bit of so called anti virus software that I get
very

annoyed. I want to make it absolutely impossible to install it.
Any ideas?
Brian

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Re: I think Avast is a virus :-)

Desiree Oudinot
 

I thought this as well, so it's very possible that I thought the offer got declined when it really wasn't. The odd thing is, Avast only installed after I ran CCleaner for the first time after a fresh installation. So, when exactly does Avast embed itself? I distinctly recall trying to uncheck the offer, thinking I had succeeded, and then going on to the next part of the setup process. Nothing was said about Avast at that point. It was only after I launched CCleaner after installation that it happened. I don't know if it would have continued to try and install afterwards; I switched to the portable version at that point, wanting no further parts of any forced offers.


On 7/13/2018 7:06 PM, Gene wrote:
I didn't say it wouldn't install Avast when you install CCleaner.  But the original message said that CCleaner is periodically reinstalled after being uninstalled and it didn't say this only happened when a new version of CCleaner was installed.
 
If that happened as a general behavior, it would have caused tremendous outcry from those, sighted and blind, using CCleaner who had mistakenly installed Avast and then removed it.  Where is that outcry?
Also, given the difficulty and inaccessibility of many decline parts of free software, I suspect that you thought you had declined it, but didn't. 
 
Companies try to sneak software onto machines but the company that owns Avast and CCleaner wouldn't damage its reputation by doing something blatantly illegal such as having Avast installed even when a user specifically declined the offer.  The company has a very good reputation and, if for no other reason, that's worth a lot of money.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, July 13, 2018 5:14 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] I think Avast is a virus :-)

Hi,

I very rarely post on this list, but this message warrants a response.


I, too, have had CCleaner install Avast even when I've declined the offer during installation. Once it's launched, it seems to do something in the background to install it. As a result, I began using the portable version of CCleaner to avoid this problem.


I believe this is unacceptable, but until now, had also never seen anyone discussing the issue, so I figured I had done something to trigger it. But perhaps not.


On 7/13/2018 4:35 PM, Gene wrote:
Then why has no other CCleaner user reported the problem not just on this list, but on the other two active Windows users lists I'm on?  It doesn't seem plausible. 
 
How have you tried to remove Avast in the past?  And if you really think its CCleaner, why not completely remove CCleaner and see what happens? 
 
But rather than do that, doing what I suggest below may yield the wanted result without doing unnecessary and likely ineffective work. 
 
I don't know how you might stop it.  the question may well be too specific and essoteric for the list.  Why not ask somewhere like Bleeping Computer where geeks hang out to help with technical questions that range from simple to obscure.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, July 13, 2018 3:28 PM
Subject: [nvda] I think Avast is a virus :-)

I'm having terrible trouble stopping this anti virus once installed and
removed from making frequent attempts to reinstall itself. I have a
suspicion that Ccleaner is responsible for apparent random downloads in the
background without any input from a user. It then sits there and out of the
blue  comes up as installing.

Does anyone know of a third party program that can spot this and actually
stop it. maybe an entry in Microsofts windows 7 firewall or something.
 Unfortunately, the machine in question is a device used by both sighted and
blind, and its only when I get there and find this inaccessible over active
impossible to remove bit of so called anti virus software that  I get very
annoyed. I want to make it absolutely impossible to install it.
 Any ideas?
 Brian

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Re: I think Avast is a virus :-)

Gene
 

not necessarily.  When I've uninstalled antimalware programs in the past, and read information from the manufacturer about how to do so, the ones I have uninstalled have said to do so from Programs and Features first and if that didn't work, to use something else like an uninstall tool. 
 
You can't just turn off services antivirus programs use in many cases because these services are monitored by the program's self-defence module.  That module is intended to keep malware from doing just that, turning off the program so the malware can damage the program and infiltrate the machine once the program is off. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Jackie
Sent: Friday, July 13, 2018 6:27 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] I think Avast is a virus :-)

In order to uninstall any antivirus software, you first have to stop
the service(s) that it uses. Please go to Control Panel >
Administrative Tools > Services & set any & all services associated
w/the software to disabled. Then stop the service.

On 7/13/18, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
> I didn't say it wouldn't install Avast when you install CCleaner.  But the
> original message said that CCleaner is periodically reinstalled after being
> uninstalled and it didn't say this only happened when a new version of
> CCleaner was installed.
>
> If that happened as a general behavior, it would have caused tremendous
> outcry from those, sighted and blind, using CCleaner who had mistakenly
> installed Avast and then removed it.  Where is that outcry?
> Also, given the difficulty and inaccessibility of many decline parts of free
> software, I suspect that you thought you had declined it, but didn't.
>
> Companies try to sneak software onto machines but the company that owns
> Avast and CCleaner wouldn't damage its reputation by doing something
> blatantly illegal such as having Avast installed even when a user
> specifically declined the offer.  The company has a very good reputation
> and, if for no other reason, that's worth a lot of money.
>
> Gene
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: Desiree Oudinot
> Sent: Friday, July 13, 2018 5:14 PM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] I think Avast is a virus :-)
>
>
> Hi,
>
> I very rarely post on this list, but this message warrants a response.
>
>
>
>
> I, too, have had CCleaner install Avast even when I've declined the offer
> during installation. Once it's launched, it seems to do something in the
> background to install it. As a result, I began using the portable version of
> CCleaner to avoid this problem.
>
>
>
>
> I believe this is unacceptable, but until now, had also never seen anyone
> discussing the issue, so I figured I had done something to trigger it. But
> perhaps not.
>
>
>
>
> On 7/13/2018 4:35 PM, Gene wrote:
>
>   Then why has no other CCleaner user reported the problem not just on this
> list, but on the other two active Windows users lists I'm on?  It doesn't
> seem plausible.
>
>   How have you tried to remove Avast in the past?  And if you really think
> its CCleaner, why not completely remove CCleaner and see what happens?
>
>   But rather than do that, doing what I suggest below may yield the wanted
> result without doing unnecessary and likely ineffective work.
>
>   I don't know how you might stop it.  the question may well be too specific
> and essoteric for the list.  Why not ask somewhere like Bleeping Computer
> where geeks hang out to help with technical questions that range from simple
> to obscure.
>
>   Gene
>   ----- Original Message -----
>
>   From: Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
>   Sent: Friday, July 13, 2018 3:28 PM
>   To: nvda@groups.io
>   Subject: [nvda] I think Avast is a virus :-)
>
>
>   I'm having terrible trouble stopping this anti virus once installed and
>   removed from making frequent attempts to reinstall itself. I have a
>   suspicion that Ccleaner is responsible for apparent random downloads in
> the
>   background without any input from a user. It then sits there and out of
> the
>   blue  comes up as installing.
>
>   Does anyone know of a third party program that can spot this and actually
>
>   stop it. maybe an entry in Microsofts windows 7 firewall or something.
>    Unfortunately, the machine in question is a device used by both sighted
> and
>   blind, and its only when I get there and find this inaccessible over
> active
>   impossible to remove bit of so called anti virus software that  I get very
>
>   annoyed. I want to make it absolutely impossible to install it.
>    Any ideas?
>    Brian
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Re: I think Avast is a virus :-)

Jackie
 

In order to uninstall any antivirus software, you first have to stop
the service(s) that it uses. Please go to Control Panel >
Administrative Tools > Services & set any & all services associated
w/the software to disabled. Then stop the service.

On 7/13/18, Gene <gsasner@ripco.com> wrote:
I didn't say it wouldn't install Avast when you install CCleaner. But the
original message said that CCleaner is periodically reinstalled after being
uninstalled and it didn't say this only happened when a new version of
CCleaner was installed.

If that happened as a general behavior, it would have caused tremendous
outcry from those, sighted and blind, using CCleaner who had mistakenly
installed Avast and then removed it. Where is that outcry?
Also, given the difficulty and inaccessibility of many decline parts of free
software, I suspect that you thought you had declined it, but didn't.

Companies try to sneak software onto machines but the company that owns
Avast and CCleaner wouldn't damage its reputation by doing something
blatantly illegal such as having Avast installed even when a user
specifically declined the offer. The company has a very good reputation
and, if for no other reason, that's worth a lot of money.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Desiree Oudinot
Sent: Friday, July 13, 2018 5:14 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] I think Avast is a virus :-)


Hi,

I very rarely post on this list, but this message warrants a response.




I, too, have had CCleaner install Avast even when I've declined the offer
during installation. Once it's launched, it seems to do something in the
background to install it. As a result, I began using the portable version of
CCleaner to avoid this problem.




I believe this is unacceptable, but until now, had also never seen anyone
discussing the issue, so I figured I had done something to trigger it. But
perhaps not.




On 7/13/2018 4:35 PM, Gene wrote:

Then why has no other CCleaner user reported the problem not just on this
list, but on the other two active Windows users lists I'm on? It doesn't
seem plausible.

How have you tried to remove Avast in the past? And if you really think
its CCleaner, why not completely remove CCleaner and see what happens?

But rather than do that, doing what I suggest below may yield the wanted
result without doing unnecessary and likely ineffective work.

I don't know how you might stop it. the question may well be too specific
and essoteric for the list. Why not ask somewhere like Bleeping Computer
where geeks hang out to help with technical questions that range from simple
to obscure.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
Sent: Friday, July 13, 2018 3:28 PM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] I think Avast is a virus :-)


I'm having terrible trouble stopping this anti virus once installed and
removed from making frequent attempts to reinstall itself. I have a
suspicion that Ccleaner is responsible for apparent random downloads in
the
background without any input from a user. It then sits there and out of
the
blue comes up as installing.

Does anyone know of a third party program that can spot this and actually

stop it. maybe an entry in Microsofts windows 7 firewall or something.
Unfortunately, the machine in question is a device used by both sighted
and
blind, and its only when I get there and find this inaccessible over
active
impossible to remove bit of so called anti virus software that I get very

annoyed. I want to make it absolutely impossible to install it.
Any ideas?
Brian

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writing add ons:

Kenny Peyattt jr. <p.wildcat1234@...>
 

Hi I was thinking about writing a nvda add on for my printer software and I was wondering what programs I will need to write add ons with?

Kenny Peyatt jr.


Re: I think Avast is a virus :-)

Gene
 

I didn't say it wouldn't install Avast when you install CCleaner.  But the original message said that CCleaner is periodically reinstalled after being uninstalled and it didn't say this only happened when a new version of CCleaner was installed.
 
If that happened as a general behavior, it would have caused tremendous outcry from those, sighted and blind, using CCleaner who had mistakenly installed Avast and then removed it.  Where is that outcry?
Also, given the difficulty and inaccessibility of many decline parts of free software, I suspect that you thought you had declined it, but didn't. 
 
Companies try to sneak software onto machines but the company that owns Avast and CCleaner wouldn't damage its reputation by doing something blatantly illegal such as having Avast installed even when a user specifically declined the offer.  The company has a very good reputation and, if for no other reason, that's worth a lot of money.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, July 13, 2018 5:14 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] I think Avast is a virus :-)

Hi,

I very rarely post on this list, but this message warrants a response.


I, too, have had CCleaner install Avast even when I've declined the offer during installation. Once it's launched, it seems to do something in the background to install it. As a result, I began using the portable version of CCleaner to avoid this problem.


I believe this is unacceptable, but until now, had also never seen anyone discussing the issue, so I figured I had done something to trigger it. But perhaps not.


On 7/13/2018 4:35 PM, Gene wrote:
Then why has no other CCleaner user reported the problem not just on this list, but on the other two active Windows users lists I'm on?  It doesn't seem plausible. 
 
How have you tried to remove Avast in the past?  And if you really think its CCleaner, why not completely remove CCleaner and see what happens? 
 
But rather than do that, doing what I suggest below may yield the wanted result without doing unnecessary and likely ineffective work. 
 
I don't know how you might stop it.  the question may well be too specific and essoteric for the list.  Why not ask somewhere like Bleeping Computer where geeks hang out to help with technical questions that range from simple to obscure.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, July 13, 2018 3:28 PM
Subject: [nvda] I think Avast is a virus :-)

I'm having terrible trouble stopping this anti virus once installed and
removed from making frequent attempts to reinstall itself. I have a
suspicion that Ccleaner is responsible for apparent random downloads in the
background without any input from a user. It then sits there and out of the
blue  comes up as installing.

Does anyone know of a third party program that can spot this and actually
stop it. maybe an entry in Microsofts windows 7 firewall or something.
 Unfortunately, the machine in question is a device used by both sighted and
blind, and its only when I get there and find this inaccessible over active
impossible to remove bit of so called anti virus software that  I get very
annoyed. I want to make it absolutely impossible to install it.
 Any ideas?
 Brian

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Re: I think Avast is a virus :-)

Tyler Wood
 



On 13-Jul-2018 4:51 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
1. Get Unchecky, install it, and leave it there to do its job.  It's resource footprint is minuscule.

Thank you so much. You made my day. I had no idea something like this existed.

2.  Never take the "typical" install option.  Always choose customize, which gives you the full view of what the installer intends to do at each step, including the installation of other bundled software, so that you can make intentional choices.

You do not need to purchase the paid version of CCleaner, or virtually any "free" program, to avoid the loathsome practice of bundling but you do need to NEVER take the "typical" install, at a minimum, and it's really helpful to use Unchecky in case you might happen to miss one of the checkboxes you'd need to uncheck to avoid having something you don't want installed.
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           ~ Richard Dehmel

 

 



Re: NVDA and Skype

Pascal Lambert
 

Hi Sarah,

Pardon my ignorance.  What do you mean by “hot Window B”?

When I type “window-B” within Skype it takes me back to the desktop tray.

Please clarify.

Very much appreciated.

Pascal    

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sarah k Alawami
Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2018 1:20 PM
To: Nvda List <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Skype

 

Id you check your communications properties? I had that problem until I set it to none.

 

1. Hot windows b

2. Go to speaker and hit the context key

3. Control tab to communications

4. Set the radio button to none and hit ok.

 

Take care



On Jul 12, 2018, at 12:03 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io <bglists@...> wrote:

 

Well that is a strange one. Does this mean all sounds are muted all the time?

I used to find it annoying that Skype took control of inputs and outputs every time I ran it and then forgot to put stuff back when you had finished. As I mostly use line level this was really annoying.
I seldom use Skype these days. many people I know tend to use their mobile for Skype now to leave their desktop unpoluted, so to speak!

Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Pascal Lambert" <
rambeau68@...>
To: <
nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2018 2:39 AM
Subject: [nvda] NVDA and Skype


Hi All,
I just installed Skype and when I tried to set up the audio, my Jay Lab speakers went silent producing a humming sound.  I am new to using Skype and I would appreciate any suggestion and/or feedback.  Is there a more accessible version of Skype?  Is there a tutorial for using Skype with NVDA?
Many thanks
Blessings
Pascal


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Rui Fontes
Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2018 6:58 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Focus40 or other Braille displays

In the UserGuide is the link to download the Focus driver from Freedom Scientific pages...

Regards,

Rui Fontes


Às 22:59 de 11/07/2018, Moty Azrad escreveu:

Hi,

Tell your friend that he/she, has to install the correct driver for FOCUS40, after the installation the Focus Braille display can appear in the list of the Braille displays. Then, to choose it and go on.
I've some friends here that work with NVDA and FOCUS40 and it works fine for them.

Good luck

Moti



Moti Azrad
Musician and Piano Tuner
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motiaz@...
azrad_moty@...
ISRAEL

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Lisa P Geibel
Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2018 00:38
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA and Focus40 or other Braille displays

Hi,

I'm sorry if this has been discussed before and I'm rehashing it, but
a friend of mine was curious if NVDA worked with the Focus40? Does it
bring up a list of displays to choose from and how well does it work
with Braille displays if anyone here has this knowledge, I'd really
appreciate info for my friend? Thanks and again, sorry for bringing
this up again.

















 


Re: I think Avast is a virus :-)

Gene
 

If you are a blind person, you may not see the bundling offers in a custom installation because of accessibility problems with the installers.  While you should use the custom installation option, that is no guarantee as a blind person.  And uncheckie, while it sees a lot and should be used, doesn't know about everything. 
 
I would say that, before installing anything free, blind people should ask about the installation on one or more lists of blind computer users.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, July 13, 2018 4:51 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] I think Avast is a virus :-)

CCleaner (Piriform as a whole) is now owned by Avast and "an offer" to install it comes with every CCleaner free install.

If you choose the "typical" installation you'll get it for sure.  I tell everyone two things if they want to avoid the installation of software bundled with other software they want:

1. Get Unchecky, install it, and leave it there to do its job.  It's resource footprint is minuscule.

2.  Never take the "typical" install option.  Always choose customize, which gives you the full view of what the installer intends to do at each step, including the installation of other bundled software, so that you can make intentional choices.

You do not need to purchase the paid version of CCleaner, or virtually any "free" program, to avoid the loathsome practice of bundling but you do need to NEVER take the "typical" install, at a minimum, and it's really helpful to use Unchecky in case you might happen to miss one of the checkboxes you'd need to uncheck to avoid having something you don't want installed.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134  

    A little kindness from person to person is better than a vast love for all humankind.

           ~ Richard Dehmel

 

 


Re: I think Avast is a virus :-)

JM Casey <crystallogic@...>
 

Perhaps I’m missing something, but why do people like cCleaner so much that it’s worth having around despite all this other nonsense?

 

I installed it for a while on an old XP machine. It did some “cleaning” of the registry and maybe my computer was ever so slightly faster at certain tasks for a short period of time. Knowing what I think I know now, I wouldn’t voluntarily put a registry cleaner on my machine. Almost every tech writer and website advises against it. The reason of course is that neither Ccleaner nor any other programme understands you and your needs, or, really, your registry, and why certain things might be there. I think you’d almost be better off going through by hand when you uninstall a programme and deleting all the entries left behind. Time-consuming, certainly, and still potentially dangerous – but if you don’t know what you are about, why muck about with the registry anyway?

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Desiree Oudinot
Sent: July 13, 2018 6:15 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] I think Avast is a virus :-)

 

Hi,

I very rarely post on this list, but this message warrants a response.

 

I, too, have had CCleaner install Avast even when I've declined the offer during installation. Once it's launched, it seems to do something in the background to install it. As a result, I began using the portable version of CCleaner to avoid this problem.

 

I believe this is unacceptable, but until now, had also never seen anyone discussing the issue, so I figured I had done something to trigger it. But perhaps not.

 

On 7/13/2018 4:35 PM, Gene wrote:

Then why has no other CCleaner user reported the problem not just on this list, but on the other two active Windows users lists I'm on?  It doesn't seem plausible. 

 

How have you tried to remove Avast in the past?  And if you really think its CCleaner, why not completely remove CCleaner and see what happens? 

 

But rather than do that, doing what I suggest below may yield the wanted result without doing unnecessary and likely ineffective work. 

 

I don't know how you might stop it.  the question may well be too specific and essoteric for the list.  Why not ask somewhere like Bleeping Computer where geeks hang out to help with technical questions that range from simple to obscure.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Friday, July 13, 2018 3:28 PM

Subject: [nvda] I think Avast is a virus :-)

 

I'm having terrible trouble stopping this anti virus once installed and
removed from making frequent attempts to reinstall itself. I have a
suspicion that Ccleaner is responsible for apparent random downloads in the
background without any input from a user. It then sits there and out of the
blue  comes up as installing.

Does anyone know of a third party program that can spot this and actually
stop it. maybe an entry in Microsofts windows 7 firewall or something.
 Unfortunately, the machine in question is a device used by both sighted and
blind, and its only when I get there and find this inaccessible over active
impossible to remove bit of so called anti virus software that  I get very
annoyed. I want to make it absolutely impossible to install it.
 Any ideas?
 Brian

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Re: I think Avast is a virus :-)

Desiree Oudinot
 

Hi,

I very rarely post on this list, but this message warrants a response.


I, too, have had CCleaner install Avast even when I've declined the offer during installation. Once it's launched, it seems to do something in the background to install it. As a result, I began using the portable version of CCleaner to avoid this problem.


I believe this is unacceptable, but until now, had also never seen anyone discussing the issue, so I figured I had done something to trigger it. But perhaps not.


On 7/13/2018 4:35 PM, Gene wrote:
Then why has no other CCleaner user reported the problem not just on this list, but on the other two active Windows users lists I'm on?  It doesn't seem plausible. 
 
How have you tried to remove Avast in the past?  And if you really think its CCleaner, why not completely remove CCleaner and see what happens? 
 
But rather than do that, doing what I suggest below may yield the wanted result without doing unnecessary and likely ineffective work. 
 
I don't know how you might stop it.  the question may well be too specific and essoteric for the list.  Why not ask somewhere like Bleeping Computer where geeks hang out to help with technical questions that range from simple to obscure.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, July 13, 2018 3:28 PM
Subject: [nvda] I think Avast is a virus :-)

I'm having terrible trouble stopping this anti virus once installed and
removed from making frequent attempts to reinstall itself. I have a
suspicion that Ccleaner is responsible for apparent random downloads in the
background without any input from a user. It then sits there and out of the
blue  comes up as installing.

Does anyone know of a third party program that can spot this and actually
stop it. maybe an entry in Microsofts windows 7 firewall or something.
 Unfortunately, the machine in question is a device used by both sighted and
blind, and its only when I get there and find this inaccessible over active
impossible to remove bit of so called anti virus software that  I get very
annoyed. I want to make it absolutely impossible to install it.
 Any ideas?
 Brian

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Re: I think Avast is a virus :-)

Gene
 

But this isn't a download during installation.  This is a download that happens at other times.  it's common that free software offers downloads that are unwanted during download, not at times other than during downloads. 
 
So I wouldn't assume that the continued reinstallations are caused by CCleaner.
 
But if you want to stop it, you might be able to do so by putting the address of wherever the Avast file is being downloaded from, assumedly, the avast site, in the host file regarding URLS and have the host file direct browsers on the machine to a location where nothing exists.  I don't know technically how this is done but others on the list may.  Or this may be a question for a site like Bleeping Computer.
 
or there may be other solutions you might get from a site like Bleeping Computer.
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, July 13, 2018 4:35 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] I think Avast is a virus :-)

I guess this is the free version that’s doing this

 

As far as I can see the only way to stop automatic downloads is to buy the ccleaner product

 

Otherwise it cant be turned off along with all the advertising it pops up now 😃

 

 

 

From: Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
Sent: 13 July 2018 21:28
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] I think Avast is a virus :-)

 

I'm having terrible trouble stopping this anti virus once installed and

removed from making frequent attempts to reinstall itself. I have a

suspicion that Ccleaner is responsible for apparent random downloads in the

background without any input from a user. It then sits there and out of the

blue  comes up as installing.

 

Does anyone know of a third party program that can spot this and actually

stop it. maybe an entry in Microsofts windows 7 firewall or something.

Unfortunately, the machine in question is a device used by both sighted and

blind, and its only when I get there and find this inaccessible over active

impossible to remove bit of so called anti virus software that  I get very

annoyed. I want to make it absolutely impossible to install it.

Any ideas?

Brian

 

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Edge to the desktop

ely.r@...
 

Had to look again how I did this. Not sure why MS hid the location as they did. Anyway, the link below is to a quick tutorial. When I found it, it was an ah ha been here moment.
Good luck,
Rick
https://www.tipsdotcom.com/microsoft-edge-desktop-shortcut.html

Dr. Rick Ely
TVI, Vision Consultant
451 Rocky Hill Road
Florence, MA 01062
&413() 727-3038

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Don H
Sent: Friday, July 13, 2018 4:57 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft Edge is Starting to Grow on Me.

I too am trying to use Edge more often. One question that I can't find the answer to is how to place a shortcut to Edge on the desktop. I see how to pin it to the start menu and task bar but not to the desktop. I tried finding the executable file for edge but can't even find that.


Re: I think Avast is a virus :-)

Cristóbal
 

Can’t beat portable versions either.

I have my portable installers in my Google Drive folder and thus am able to access them from either one of my machines. Open and close them as I wish.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Friday, July 13, 2018 2:52 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] I think Avast is a virus :-)

 

CCleaner (Piriform as a whole) is now owned by Avast and "an offer" to install it comes with every CCleaner free install.

If you choose the "typical" installation you'll get it for sure.  I tell everyone two things if they want to avoid the installation of software bundled with other software they want:

1. Get Unchecky, install it, and leave it there to do its job.  It's resource footprint is minuscule.

2.  Never take the "typical" install option.  Always choose customize, which gives you the full view of what the installer intends to do at each step, including the installation of other bundled software, so that you can make intentional choices.

You do not need to purchase the paid version of CCleaner, or virtually any "free" program, to avoid the loathsome practice of bundling but you do need to NEVER take the "typical" install, at a minimum, and it's really helpful to use Unchecky in case you might happen to miss one of the checkboxes you'd need to uncheck to avoid having something you don't want installed.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134  

    A little kindness from person to person is better than a vast love for all humankind.

           ~ Richard Dehmel