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Re: Bug in espeak ng used in NVDA Next

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That is not helpful in this context. Remember where this person lives and options are very restricted due to sanctions, cost and the attitude of both the state and outside entities.
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Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 5:39 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Bug in espeak ng used in NVDA Next


then you should update your operating system to something more recent.
espeak ng wouldn't work on win xp.
that system is way outdated anyway.

Greetings,
Simon


Am 23.02.2018 um 09:13 schrieb zahra:
no, i am sure completely that i installed 32bit version of espeak-ng,
but recieved the error for not valid win32!
i use windows xp, as many people know.

On 2/23/18, Quentin Christensen <quentin@...> wrote:
Sorry, that was my misreading re eSpeak-NG versions.

Re eSpeak-ng saying it won't work on Win 32, at a guess you may have
downloaded the 64-bit version - on that eSpeak-NG download page:
https://github.com/espeak-ng/espeak-ng#binaries you can download Windows
binaries for 64 or 32-bit.

I'll have a look and see when we plan to update to one of the newer
eSpeak-NG builds in next.

Quentin.



On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 4:29 AM, Simon Eigeldinger
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wrote:
Forgot to ask which OS are you using?

Greetings,
Simon



Am 22.02.2018 um 18:06 schrieb zahra:

hi.
i downloaded any version of 1.49.1 and 1.49.2 of espeak ng and says
that its not valid for win32!
but i am sure that download x86 version of espeak.
do you know the reason of this error?

On 2/22/18, Simon Eigeldinger <simon.eigeldinger@...> wrote:

Hi Brian,

This is just a german only problem i have had.
already have reported to the espeak ng team and it has been fixed in
espeak ng master.
nvda next has espeak ng master from a few weeks where the bug is
present.

Greetings,
Simon


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I'm still using the old Espeak in the speech palyer in espeak as the
weird ways some words are said in ng is still a problem.
brian

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Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2018 3:32 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Bug in espeak ng used in NVDA Next


Hi Simon,

What version of eSpeak-NG are you using? Looking at:
https://github.com/espeak-ng/espeak-ng/releases indicates that the
latest
version is 1.49.2, which we updated to prior to NVDA 2017.4.

Having said that, I know there are still issues with eSpeak, some of
which
are tracked on our issue tracker, and some on eSpeak-NG's here:
https://github.com/espeak-ng/espeak-ng/issues

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Thu, Feb 22, 2018 at 5:35 AM, Simon Eigeldinger
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wrote:
Hi all,

The currently used espeak ng has a bug in the german language.
The bug has been fixed and espeak ng should be updated to latest
master.
haven't opened a ticket yet because i thought i'll not make to much
noise about it.
though i can open a ticket as well if the devs prefer that.

Greetings and thanks,
Simon



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Re: question

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Hello Gene,
 
If you  read my message again, I do say, “We don’t know what kind of file it is so can’t be specific”,
It’s worth a try anyway, if the original questioner could say exactly what podcast  is to be downloaded, that would be better.
As you rightly say,that is why you asked questions.
Best Regards, Jim.
 

From: Gene
Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 7:57 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] question
 
That is one way you can save many files.  But it is important to know other ways as well.  Some sites don't support downloading files in that way.  That's why I asked questions such as whether the file opens in Windows media Player. 
 
Gene
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Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 1:51 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] question
 
Hello,
 
Pressing enter on the link will probably open it, if it’s to be downloaded, try the context menu, [key to the left of the right control key on a standard keyboard], you get options including maybe “save as” or “save target as”, this should bring up the normal save as dialogue and the file can be saved to a folder, from there it cvan be opened in a program such as Windows media player.
We don’t know what kindof file it is so can’t be specific, I hope this helps and good luck.
 
 
 
Best Regards, Jim.
 
From: Gene
Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 1:38 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] question
 
But when you press enter on the link, what happens?  Does it play In Media Player?  I believe someone described how to download a file such as a podcast playing in Windows Media Player.  But before that method is of any use to you, does the file open in the player?
 
Gene
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Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 7:15 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] question
 

Hi gene

It is on a website. And I want to download a copy of it. Thanks in advance

Anthony

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 22 February 2018 18:08
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] question

 

How are you getting to the podcast in the first place?  Is it playing in Media Player?

 

Gene

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From: anthony borg

Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2018 10:34 AM

Subject: [nvda] question

 

Hi folks

Can somebody explain to me how to download a podcast from the internet using windows media player please?

Thanks in advance

Anthony


Re: I give up!

Gene
 

It doesn't matter whether a snapshot or a production version is used.  the message indicates that production versions were used as well as old snapshots.  If this were a problem found in a new snapshot only, using older snapshots and older production versions would have removed the problem.  This is a problem with the system, not the screen-reader. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: zahra
Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2018 12:43 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] I give up!

why snapshots versions of nvda?
just try stable versions, maybe helpful for you.

On 2/24/18, Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@...> wrote:
> How odd. I don't think I'm having the issue. Anyone else? What are your
> system specs?
>
> Take care
>
>> On Feb 23, 2018, at 4:58 PM, Debra Gardner <dgardner18@...>
>> wrote:
>>
>> This is the same old topic, just a new subject line.  NVDA is still
>> unknowning  and being silent no matter what versions I put on it.  I tried
>> the latest 2018 snapshot, a version 2015 snapshot  and a version of 2016.
>> It doesn't work on the logon screen either.  re-initializing-or whatever
>> it is-the dl files doesn't help either and I'm not techy enough to fool
>> around in the python console.  It is just a mystery to me why NVDA has
>> this problem and none of my other screen readers do.  One interesting
>> thing is that it does kind of work with Microsoft Edge  which is the only
>> browser where the web pages are not silent.  As I say, I'm using Windows
>> 10 version 1709 build 16299.248.  I'm trying not to become obsessive about
>> it  but I hate loose ends!
>>
>
>


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Re: I give up!

 

why snapshots versions of nvda?
just try stable versions, maybe helpful for you.

On 2/24/18, Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@...> wrote:
How odd. I don't think I'm having the issue. Anyone else? What are your
system specs?

Take care

On Feb 23, 2018, at 4:58 PM, Debra Gardner <dgardner18@...>
wrote:

This is the same old topic, just a new subject line. NVDA is still
unknowning and being silent no matter what versions I put on it. I tried
the latest 2018 snapshot, a version 2015 snapshot and a version of 2016.
It doesn't work on the logon screen either. re-initializing-or whatever
it is-the dl files doesn't help either and I'm not techy enough to fool
around in the python console. It is just a mystery to me why NVDA has
this problem and none of my other screen readers do. One interesting
thing is that it does kind of work with Microsoft Edge which is the only
browser where the web pages are not silent. As I say, I'm using Windows
10 version 1709 build 16299.248. I'm trying not to become obsessive about
it but I hate loose ends!
--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali


Re: I give up!

Sarah k Alawami
 

How odd. I don't think I'm having the issue. Anyone else? What are your system specs?

Take care

On Feb 23, 2018, at 4:58 PM, Debra Gardner <dgardner18@...> wrote:

This is the same old topic, just a new subject line.  NVDA is still unknowning  and being silent no matter what versions I put on it.  I tried the latest 2018 snapshot, a version 2015 snapshot  and a version of 2016.  It doesn't work on the logon screen either.  re-initializing-or whatever it is-the dl files doesn't help either and I'm not techy enough to fool around in the python console.  It is just a mystery to me why NVDA has this problem and none of my other screen readers do.  One interesting thing is that it does kind of work with Microsoft Edge  which is the only browser where the web pages are not silent.  As I say, I'm using Windows 10 version 1709 build 16299.248.  I'm trying not to become obsessive about it  but I hate loose ends!


I give up!

Debra Gardner
 

This is the same old topic, just a new subject line.  NVDA is still unknowning  and being silent no matter what versions I put on it.  I tried the latest 2018 snapshot, a version 2015 snapshot  and a version of 2016.  It doesn't work on the logon screen either.  re-initializing-or whatever it is-the dl files doesn't help either and I'm not techy enough to fool around in the python console.  It is just a mystery to me why NVDA has this problem and none of my other screen readers do.  One interesting thing is that it does kind of work with Microsoft Edge  which is the only browser where the web pages are not silent.  As I say, I'm using Windows 10 version 1709 build 16299.248.  I'm trying not to become obsessive about it  but I hate loose ends!


Re: In-Process 23rd February 2018

Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...>
 

Hi Quentin


I like the new video I just watched.


I will later on today replace the old video with this one up on my nvda pages on my website plus post any other nvda related material.



Gene nz



On 2/23/2018 9:00 PM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
Hi everyone,

This week's In-Process is out, featuring:

* NVDA 20181rc1
* A new video from NV Access
* interesting statistics
and
* NVDACon call for submissions

all in this week's In-Process, available now: https://www.nvaccess.org/post/in-process-23rd-february-2018/

#NVDAsr

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Re: question

Gene
 

That is one way you can save many files.  But it is important to know other ways as well.  Some sites don't support downloading files in that way.  That's why I asked questions such as whether the file opens in Windows media Player. 
 
Gene

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Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 1:51 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] question

Hello,
 
Pressing enter on the link will probably open it, if it’s to be downloaded, try the context menu, [key to the left of the right control key on a standard keyboard], you get options including maybe “save as” or “save target as”, this should bring up the normal save as dialogue and the file can be saved to a folder, from there it cvan be opened in a program such as Windows media player.
We don’t know what kindof file it is so can’t be specific, I hope this helps and good luck.
 
 
 
Best Regards, Jim.
 
From: Gene
Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 1:38 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] question
 
But when you press enter on the link, what happens?  Does it play In Media Player?  I believe someone described how to download a file such as a podcast playing in Windows Media Player.  But before that method is of any use to you, does the file open in the player?
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 7:15 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] question
 

Hi gene

It is on a website. And I want to download a copy of it. Thanks in advance

Anthony

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 22 February 2018 18:08
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] question

 

How are you getting to the podcast in the first place?  Is it playing in Media Player?

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: anthony borg

Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2018 10:34 AM

Subject: [nvda] question

 

Hi folks

Can somebody explain to me how to download a podcast from the internet using windows media player please?

Thanks in advance

Anthony


Re: Master snapshot is only 540k

Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...>
 

Hi Brian


I just went to the snapshots page and got both the master and RC release and it looks as though it has been fixed. It was quick and no stopping or dieing like before.


I will keep a eye out on it and hopefully it stays away.


Gene nz



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I have not had it today, but did once yesterday. I'll try the new rc and see if that will be OK. I expect the odd download failure but it seems to me that in certain countries failure  is the norm not the exception in this situation. In the the NZ SA and AU areas are these the main places where its failing?
Did not the downloads used to come from  microsoft wservers but now we see this apveryor or whatever it is.
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Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2018 8:25 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Master snapshot is only 540k


Hi Quentin


Just tried again today to download the latest snapshot with 16 at the end of it and still getting the same problem wheather you do it from inside of the master snap shot or actually going to the snapshots page and downloading it that way.

If the second way is chosen it does not come up with the error but will let you save it but it never really comes down only part and even when left it dies.


When i went to do it through the master  snapshot i get the same message as below.


C:\Users\hurri\AppData\Local\Temp\uRVRN1vw.exe.part could not be saved, because the source file could not be read.

Try again later, or contact the server administrator.


I then went to the nvaccess website put in my email address to get the 2017.4 release and what do you know I have the 2017.4 fully downloaded to this computer and it starts up.



I also did a reset on the modem to see to see if there were problems there but even after that it still does it. At present i am doing a disk clean up just in case there was a corrupted copy causing it but do not think so.


I just thought i let you know it is still doing it and i guess as long as i can get the next release of nvda when it comes out  it is a good thing.

Makes you wonder if it is a geographical thingy with a server?


Gene nz




On 2/20/2018 2:41 PM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
Hi Howard,

Most users would use the regular stable release (2017.4 currently), available from the main page.

The "Snapshot" builds are "beta" versions, which are built in between the stable releases, so that anyone interested can test out new features, check whether bug fixes do indeed fix reported bugs (and don't introduce any new ones), etc.

They are available from: https://www.nvaccess.org/files/nvda/snapshots/

The "Next" snapshots are newer, like "alpha" builds and may not necessarily be as stable.

The "Master" snapshots (as mentioned in this thread) are more like "beta" quality - they have features and fixes which have been in Next for a couple of weeks and are hopefully more stable.

While anyone can download them, we do recommend that you keep a stable version of NVDA on hand in case things don't work as planned with the snapshot builds.  As for size, they are a similar size to the regular stable release, around 20MB.

If you download and run one, it should work much like the stable version - ie bring up the same dialog offering to install etc.

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Tue, Feb 20, 2018 at 11:50 AM, Howard Traxler <howard@...<mailto:howard@...>> wrote:
Sorry, but I think I've missed something here.  Just what is
Master snapshot and how big should it be?



Howard

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Subject: Re: [nvda] Master snapshot is only 540k


OK you are all not going mad.

C:\Users\Brian\AppData\Local\Temp\4KBLiS3A.exe.part could not be saved, because the source file could not be read. Try again later, or contact the server administrator. C:\Users\Brian\AppData\Local\Temp\4KBLiS3A.exe.part could not be saved, because the source file
It looks to me like sometimes the file name is being messed up somewhere along the line as the actual address I see it looking at is.
https://ci.appveyor.com/api/buildjobs/oqsba9xk3349p6v7/artifacts/output/nvda_snapshot_master-14865,769e09f1.exe

Its not doing it every time though, and indeed not even often, but sometimes.
Can anyone comment?
Brian

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Subject: Re: [nvda] Master snapshot is only 540k


I wonder failing  all of that if there is a keep alive setting in WGet where it will just keep trying and resuming until the download is gotten, or  you can try it from a remote box  via ssh  somewhere and then download it from there later.

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That sounds like packet loss to me. Do you know the address of the server its getting it from?
Brian

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Subject: Re: [nvda] Master snapshot is only 540k


Hi Brian


I just tried getting the snapshot with sea monkey and doing it manually and i get the following message below.


C:\Users\hurri\AppData\Local\Temp\1yjDH9cM.exe.part could not be saved, because the source file could not be read.

Try again later, or contact the server administrator.

Even if it does start downloading it dies shortly after.


It seems to do it in all the browsers not download but other sites will let me download stuff.


It is weird how some can get it and not others.


so am guessing now do i contact nvaccess since it is there server?


Gene nz


On 2/19/2018 10:54 PM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
So downloading files like podcasts etc elsewhere is no issue, or maybe programs?
If not then its a routing issue to the servers from your location by the sounds of it, but its very odd. Anyone else you know in your area who can also try it? Might be good to see if its your end or in fact a widespread issue.
I guess you could try some pings to the server address and see if the round trip time or packet loss is unacceptable.
Brian

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Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2018 11:38 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Master snapshot is only 540k


Hi Gene


No problems with the internet or going to the snapshots page etc it is say when you go to either update the master snapshot through the help section it goes up to the server and then you press the enter key on the save one to download it it is just not downloading from there server that way and even if you go to the main page where the snapshots are and click on the file to download it you still get the same result. Some of the file  might come down maybe 400 k or so some times more but never the whole program.


The anti virus is not stopping it either. I have also tried different browsers still the same result.


It seems to be wanting me to retry the download all the time so is not downloading from the snapshots page but no problems any where else for downloading.


Gene nz

On 2/19/2018 11:39 AM, Gene wrote:
Also, does the page take noticeably longer to load when you go to the download page?

Gene
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Subject: Re: [nvda] Master snapshot is only 540k

I doubt it.  There may some problem in your area or in your part of the country that is interfering with Internet communications between there and the server.  there is no reason that different servers would be used.

Gene
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Subject: Re: [nvda] Master snapshot is only 540k


Hi


Nar no matter which browser you use and which way it is just not coming down. I even tried it on the next snapshot and the same results.


I also did it with either the save link thingy in mozilla fire fox and what ever the others are called as well.


it is weird how you and some others can get it but not me. I used to be able to get it every week apart from this weekend.


I am guessing maybe other servers are used for you guys?


Gene nz


On 2/19/2018 10:42 AM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:
I was actually able to dl it in about 2 seconds using safari. Did they fix what ever was wrong this morning  perhaps, I hope?

Take care all.

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Hi brian

There is a problem in a couple of browsers that i have tried to get it with. The download starts then dies some times at 400 k or so some times a bit more. I have adsl and have even left it but still no go.

there is no anti virus blocking it either. I am guessing other should be getting the same problem.. It is the version with 64 f on it it is the latest one.


I wonder what is happening?

Gene nz

On 2/18/2018 9:58 PM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
I just downloaded it here using firefox 52 and its over 20 meg in size.

Did you perhaps get the  old, this file is not one which is regualrly downloaded error and then it aborts?
There is section in firefox to turn this warning off.
Brian

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Subject: [nvda] Master snapshot is only 540k


Hi guys


is the servers playing up? For the last couple of days i have been trying to download a master snapshot and each time it comes down it is only about 540k. Is the server playing up? for when i go to click on it up comes a security smart screen I think it is the windows one.


I am also wondering if things have changed like it is a stub then it gets the main file? I am guessing not.


I usually like once a week to see what might of gone into it each week.


Has any one else had the same problems?


This was doing it from inside of the master snapshot under the help section.


I have also tried it from the main page and still got the same results.


This was again on feb 18th and also tried on the 17th


Gene nz


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Re: question

The Gamages
 

Hello,
 
Pressing enter on the link will probably open it, if it’s to be downloaded, try the context menu, [key to the left of the right control key on a standard keyboard], you get options including maybe “save as” or “save target as”, this should bring up the normal save as dialogue and the file can be saved to a folder, from there it cvan be opened in a program such as Windows media player.
We don’t know what kindof file it is so can’t be specific, I hope this helps and good luck.
 
 
 
Best Regards, Jim.
 

From: Gene
Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 1:38 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] question
 
But when you press enter on the link, what happens?  Does it play In Media Player?  I believe someone described how to download a file such as a podcast playing in Windows Media Player.  But before that method is of any use to you, does the file open in the player?
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 7:15 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] question
 

Hi gene

It is on a website. And I want to download a copy of it. Thanks in advance

Anthony

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 22 February 2018 18:08
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] question

 

How are you getting to the podcast in the first place?  Is it playing in Media Player?

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: anthony borg

Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2018 10:34 AM

Subject: [nvda] question

 

Hi folks

Can somebody explain to me how to download a podcast from the internet using windows media player please?

Thanks in advance

Anthony


Re: OEClassic gets an update fixing more accessibility issues

Karim Lakhani <karim.lakhani@...>
 

Keep up the great work!I admire  your commitment to help the blind be independent.
Thanks no offense was taken, just logic of mine has to change to the new ways of doing things.
Just like adjusting in some programs control D is to get rid of a message and in other programs the command performs a different desire.
If I didn't have to switch applications I think it would have been a easier transition if software standards would be logically.
Have a nice day!
 
 
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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 10:56 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] OEClassic gets an update fixing more accessibility issues

I'm not telling anyone to do anything.  It's unfortunate that you take constructive encouragement or education or whatever you want to call it as coercion and resist it as somehow inappropriate or malicious.  You made this an issue in the first place because one list member sent one message suggesting that using Google more would be faster.  Neither you nor anyone on the list has to use Google.  There is no list position on the subject;  Neither I nor the list owner will take any action whether anyone uses Google or not.  "
And I said in my first post, that I was not speaking as a moderator; I was giving my opinion as a list member.  So don't accuse me of speaking as a moderator.  this has nothing to do with list policy.  I'm  simply trying to encourage people to use the greatest resource that gives blind people equal access to information since the start of the world.  I have given encouragement and provided lots of examples to help those who want to use the Internet better.  You are free not to do so and I am not criticizing you directly or indirectly in any message. 
 
I have strong feelings on the subject and I'm trying to help break down the information disadvantage a lot of blind people have because they are intimidated or don't know how to use search engines.  Cruel?  I'd say very beneficial if my encouragement yields results.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 10:58 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] OEClassic gets an update fixing more accessibility issues

I'm glad to hear that I'm still allowed to post to the list, even though you are encouraging all blind people to use Google.
I was wondering if the list owner has the same views such as yours?
Wow, I  think it's time to move on from a list which a moderator keeps telling people what to do and how to do it.
all in the name of making blind people  independent and not relying on lists such as this.
Thanks for  your great enlightening post made my day!
Blind people are more cruel to each other then any other disability I have ever had a chance to meet.
Gene, instead of explaining your position on every thing people post could you write them privately so   y out don't clutter up t he list!
If you are owner of  the list,  please let us know?
Did Carlos encourage people to use Google as well?
I've had a discussion about this matter with you Gene on another list because it was so simple to get the answer from Google.
Please stop sitting on the fence and just tell people not to post questions on this list.
I certainly will be way more careful.
I've asked a thunder bird question and will continue to waste my time doing t he research instead of an regular  user could answer it a lot faster.
Gene, which tech lists do you not moderate so I can join one that doesn't mind questions.
Have a fantastic day all!
 
 
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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 1:46 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] OEClassic gets an update fixing more accessibility issues

Neither the list owner nor I, the moderator, have said anything about this.  Since you may be interested in my opinion, not as a moderator, but as someone who doesn't like to see blind people needlessly depriving themselves of a lot of information available to blind people in real time and with complete independence, I'll give it.
 
You learn how to do Internet Searches by trial and error after you know the basic principles.  You won't get malware by doing a search.  You may get malware by going to a not trusted site.  The address to the site is given below the link to every result. 
 
If you are downloading something and you don't know and aren't sure what a trusted site is for the download, then asking makes sense.  Also, free programs increasingly are bundled with programs people don't want and that may cause problems even if the download comes from the producer of the program's site.  So again, asking makes sense if you are worried about that.  But in an era when Google is used for an enormous amount of information, a lot of blind people don't use it much.  After centuries of blind people being at a significant information disadvantage, when sighted people use Google constantly, it's indeed unfortunate that so many blind people don't do so. 
 
As far as the list is concerned, there is no list position about people asking questions or using Google.  A list member may express an opinion now and then, but that' is the opinion of the member.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2018 9:50 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] OEClassic gets an update fixing more accessibility issues

 sara  you  are a better woman then me.
it's hard to Google and not know what exactly one is looking for.
I also worry about malware.
But as I said if the list owners want me to check Google before posting to this list I'll abide by the rules just along as we all follow them.
 
 
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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sarah k Alawami
Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2018 7:47 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] OEClassic gets an update fixing more accessibility issues

As a general role I do my best and google for what I need first. This causes me to learn about operateors etc and I might get information a lot faster than this list, or any other lists. If I cannot find the info I will reference the fact I did google for it and got no results.

Take care

On Feb 21, 2018, at 6:41 PM, Karim Lakhani <karim.lakhani@...> wrote:

thanks can we close this list to many questions are being asked when we can rely on google.
 
 
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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2018 5:49 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] OEClassic gets an update fixing more accessibility issues

A Google search for OE Classic identities shows this article as the first result:
 
Yes, it has identities.  It doesn't say whether they are available in both the free and paid versions. 
 
See this page, containing a table about features.  You can't read it using table commands but just down arrowing through it reads self-explanatory lines and it makes perfect sense and is in logical order. 
Identities are only available in the pro version, which you must pay for.
Message rules are available in both versions.
 
Gene
-Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2018 6:24 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] OEClassic gets an update fixing more accessibility issues

The question is, does it have identities in a free or relatively cheap
version. This and message rules are the most important things along with
read and unread flag reading etc.
 Brian

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From: "Robert Kingett" <kingettr@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2018 1:05 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] OEClassic gets an update fixing more accessibility
issues


I did some web crawling. The pro version has identities, so not sure if that
is something you want, but I would comb through all of their news section
( https://www.oeclassic.com/news ) to see what features have been added. The
free version is on 27 now. 28, the more accessible version, will be free
when the pro version shoots up to 29. I can wait. No big deal for me, but I
think it is a one time payment? And you get upgrades for life? I'll have to
look at the website again though.





Re: Bug in espeak ng used in NVDA Next

 

hi.
i have the espeak versions from sourceforge.
but they have some issues regard to farsi punctuations and i prefer espeak ng.
if you can find espeak ng compatible with xp, please send me the link!
thanks for your help and God bless you.

On 2/23/18, Simon Eigeldinger <simon.eigeldinger@...> wrote:
Well then the only thing is to update your OS.
many programs don't run on xp anyway with their latest versions.

Greetings,
Simon



Am 23.02.2018 um 13:32 schrieb zahra:
thanks so much for your link.
but i wish that can use new versions of espeak ng too.

On 2/23/18, Ralf Kefferpuetz <ralf.kefferpuetz@...> wrote:
http://espeak.sourceforge.net/download.html

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
zahra
Sent: Freitag, 23. Februar 2018 11:50
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Bug in espeak ng used in NVDA Next

where can i download sapi5 version of espeak?
i did not find sapi5 version of 1.49.1 or 49.2 of espeak.

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Surely if you are using it on a system like mine with windows 7 which
is still supported, they should use this as their base version
supported.
Brian

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From: "Quentin Christensen" <quentin@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 8:33 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Bug in espeak ng used in NVDA Next


Just above where you can download the Windows binaries on:
https://github.com/espeak-ng/espeak-ng

There is a table showing minimum version. For Windows it says you
need Windows 8. I wasn't 100% sure whether that was if you were
compiling it yourself or for the binaries as well, but that could be
the
reason.

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 7:13 PM, zahra <nasrinkhaksar3@...>
wrote:

no, i am sure completely that i installed 32bit version of espeak-ng,
but recieved the error for not valid win32!
i use windows xp, as many people know.

On 2/23/18, Quentin Christensen <quentin@...> wrote:
Sorry, that was my misreading re eSpeak-NG versions.

Re eSpeak-ng saying it won't work on Win 32, at a guess you may
have downloaded the 64-bit version - on that eSpeak-NG download page:
https://github.com/espeak-ng/espeak-ng#binaries you can download
Windows binaries for 64 or 32-bit.

I'll have a look and see when we plan to update to one of the newer
eSpeak-NG builds in next.

Quentin.



On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 4:29 AM, Simon Eigeldinger
<simon.eigeldinger@...
wrote:
Forgot to ask which OS are you using?

Greetings,
Simon



Am 22.02.2018 um 18:06 schrieb zahra:

hi.
i downloaded any version of 1.49.1 and 1.49.2 of espeak ng and
says that its not valid for win32!
but i am sure that download x86 version of espeak.
do you know the reason of this error?

On 2/22/18, Simon Eigeldinger <simon.eigeldinger@...> wrote:

Hi Brian,

This is just a german only problem i have had.
already have reported to the espeak ng team and it has been
fixed in espeak ng master.
nvda next has espeak ng master from a few weeks where the bug is
present.

Greetings,
Simon


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Groups.Io:

I'm still using the old Espeak in the speech palyer in espeak
as the weird ways some words are said in ng is still a problem.
brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Quentin Christensen"
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To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2018 3:32 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Bug in espeak ng used in NVDA Next


Hi Simon,

What version of eSpeak-NG are you using? Looking at:
https://github.com/espeak-ng/espeak-ng/releases indicates that
the latest version is 1.49.2, which we updated to prior to NVDA
2017.4.

Having said that, I know there are still issues with eSpeak,
some of which are tracked on our issue tracker, and some on
eSpeak-NG's here:
https://github.com/espeak-ng/espeak-ng/issues

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Thu, Feb 22, 2018 at 5:35 AM, Simon Eigeldinger
<simon.eigeldinger@...

wrote:
Hi all,

The currently used espeak ng has a bug in the german language.
The bug has been fixed and espeak ng should be updated to
latest master.
haven't opened a ticket yet because i thought i'll not make to
much noise about it.
though i can open a ticket as well if the devs prefer that.

Greetings and thanks,
Simon



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Re: OEClassic gets an update fixing more accessibility issues

Gene
 

You don't have to be way more careful. When determining if a message is
addressed to you or answering someone else's comments in the same thread,
look to see what message is quoted under the comments you are reading.
Usually, the quoted message immediately below the new message is the one
being responded to.

The first message I wrote today about how to do searches wasn't in
response to any of your messages. I wasn't addressing you specifically.
I was addressing any interested list member. The message quoted under
mine was from Brian. I was disagreeing with his assessment about how to
do searches and pointing out that it is much more simple to do most
searches than he indicated. My purpose was to encourage people to use
Google more and not be intimidated by it. So all your reactions to what I
wrote, feeling that I was criticizing you or discouraging you from sending
whatever questions are appropriate to the list whether you check on Google
or notk don't apply. You are reading into the thread things that are
simply not there. If you still have the first message and check it and
see the message I was responding to, you will see that it has nothing to
do with your comments earlier in the thread.

And Carlos has nothing to do with this. I'm writing as a list member and
I'm trying to improve peoples' lives by showing them how to get
information.

Gene

----- Original Message -----
I'm not telling anyone to do anything. It's unfortunate that you take
constructive encouragement or education or whatever you want to call it as
coercion and resist it as somehow inappropriate or malicious. You made
this an issue in the first place because one list member sent one message
suggesting that using Google more would be faster. Neither you nor anyone
on the list has to use Google. There is no list position on the subject;
Neither I nor the list owner will take any action whether anyone uses
Google or not. "
And I said in my first post, that I was not speaking as a moderator; I was
giving my opinion as a list member.
So don't accuse me of speaking as a
moderator. this has nothing to do with list policy. I'm simply trying
to encourage people to use the greatest resource that gives blind people
equal access to information since the start of the world. I have given
encouragement and provided lots of examples to help those who want to use
the Internet better. You are free not to do so and I am not criticizing
you directly or indirectly in any message.

I have strong feelings on the subject and I'm trying to help break down
the information disadvantage a lot of blind people have because they are
intimidated or don't know how to use search engines. Cruel? I'd say very
beneficial if my encouragement yields results.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Karim Lakhani
Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 10:58 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] OEClassic gets an update fixing more accessibility
issues


I'm glad to hear that I'm still allowed to post to the list, even though
you are encouraging all blind people to use Google.
I was wondering if the list owner has the same views such as yours?
Wow, I think it's time to move on from a list which a moderator keeps
telling people what to do and how to do it.
all in the name of making blind people independent and not relying on
lists such as this.
Thanks for your great enlightening post made my day!
Blind people are more cruel to each other then any other disability I have
ever had a chance to meet.
Gene, instead of explaining your position on every thing people post could
you write them privately so y out don't clutter up t he list!
If you are owner of the list, please let us know?
Did Carlos encourage people to use Google as well?
I've had a discussion about this matter with you Gene on another list
because it was so simple to get the answer from Google.
Please stop sitting on the fence and just tell people not to post
questions on this list.
I certainly will be way more careful.
I've asked a thunder bird question and will continue to waste my time
doing t he research instead of an regular user could answer it a lot
faster.
Gene, which tech lists do you not moderate so I can join one that doesn't
mind questions.
Have a fantastic day all!


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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 1:46 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] OEClassic gets an update fixing more accessibility
issues


Neither the list owner nor I, the moderator, have said anything about
this. Since you may be interested in my opinion, not as a moderator, but
as someone who doesn't like to see blind people needlessly depriving
themselves of a lot of information available to blind people in real time
and with complete independence, I'll give it.

You learn how to do Internet Searches by trial and error after you know
the basic principles. You won't get malware by doing a search. You may
get malware by going to a not trusted site. The address to the site is
given below the link to every result.

If you are downloading something and you don't know and aren't sure what a
trusted site is for the download, then asking makes sense. Also, free
programs increasingly are bundled with programs people don't want and that
may cause problems even if the download comes from the producer of the
program's site. So again, asking makes sense if you are worried about
that. But in an era when Google is used for an enormous amount of
information, a lot of blind people don't use it much. After centuries of
blind people being at a significant information disadvantage, when sighted
people use Google constantly, it's indeed unfortunate that so many blind
people don't do so.

As far as the list is concerned, there is no list position about people
asking questions or using Google. A list member may express an opinion
now and then, but that' is the opinion of the member.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Karim Lakhani
Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2018 9:50 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] OEClassic gets an update fixing more accessibility
issues


sara you are a better woman then me.
it's hard to Google and not know what exactly one is looking for.
I also worry about malware.
But as I said if the list owners want me to check Google before posting to
this list I'll abide by the rules just along as we all follow them.


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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sarah
k Alawami
Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2018 7:47 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] OEClassic gets an update fixing more accessibility
issues


As a general role I do my best and google for what I need first. This
causes me to learn about operateors etc and I might get information a lot
faster than this list, or any other lists. If I cannot find the info I
will reference the fact I did google for it and got no results.


Take care



On Feb 21, 2018, at 6:41 PM, Karim Lakhani <karim.lakhani@...>
wrote:


thanks can we close this list to many questions are being asked when we
can rely on google.


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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2018 5:49 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] OEClassic gets an update fixing more accessibility
issues


A Google search for OE Classic identities shows this article as the
first result:
https://www.oeclassic.com/online-help-identities

Yes, it has identities. It doesn't say whether they are available in
both the free and paid versions.

See this page, containing a table about features. You can't read it
using table commands but just down arrowing through it reads
self-explanatory lines and it makes perfect sense and is in logical
order.
https://www.oeclassic.com/
Identities are only available in the pro version, which you must pay
for.
Message rules are available in both versions.

Gene
-Original Message -----

From: Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2018 6:24 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] OEClassic gets an update fixing more accessibility
issues


The question is, does it have identities in a free or relatively cheap
version. This and message rules are the most important things along with
read and unread flag reading etc.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Robert Kingett" <@blindjourno>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2018 1:05 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] OEClassic gets an update fixing more accessibility
issues


I did some web crawling. The pro version has identities, so not sure if
that
is something you want, but I would comb through all of their news
section
( https://www.oeclassic.com/news ) to see what features have been added.
The
free version is on 27 now. 28, the more accessible version, will be free
when the pro version shoots up to 29. I can wait. No big deal for me,
but I
think it is a one time payment? And you get upgrades for life? I'll have
to
look at the website again though.







Re: OEClassic gets an update fixing more accessibility issues

JM Casey <crystallogic@...>
 

Oh, I didn’t mean to suggest that asking questions of a mailing list was a useless waste of time or anything like that. And of course, it is harder to find specific things related to screen-reader usage at times. It’s just that some people ask general questions about the usage of Windows operating system, how to perform some task in MS Office,  or some program that is in widespread use.

 

No more to add here, just that I agree with the gist of this. I don’t use google as much as you; I’d still just as soon go to the nVDA add-ons page, which I have bookmarked, for instance. But there’s no doubt that google’s an incredible resource, and if you want to find something, well, it’s your best call, so much of the time.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: February 23, 2018 12:42 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] OEClassic gets an update fixing more accessibility issues

 

This is a very long message, really an essay with a lot of instructional explanations and examples.  But those who are interested in really using the Internet w3ell will, I hope, read it. 

 

But I'm not talking so much about these sorts of lists and technical questions.  Sighted people constantly use Google.  In the middle of a conversation, if a fact is not known, is disputed or the person wants more information, if no one knows in the conversation or if it is disputed, as I said, Someone does a Google search. I'm talking about social situations where people only have their phones.  But it's so engrained to use Google that if people are at their computers and some sort of similar situation comes up, why wouldn't they use them?  This is so prevalent that commentators write articles about it. they discuss questions such as how this has affect3ed conversations and taken the fun out of disputing or arguing about information. 

 

If you want to know something about using a computer or something else with adaptive technology, you may get better answers on specialized lists like this one.  But there are all sorts of areas, you get an error message with a number such as 287 when you try to send an e-mail or when you try to do something else.  Instead of asking a list is a first resort, write something like the name of the program and the error message number into a Google search field, do a search, and see what you get.  Don't run any programs any sites offer to solve a problem.  Only do things that people tell you to do on sites like Bleeping Computers if you think the information is trustworthy.  All sorts of sites have good information but they make their money on offering, as advertising, you a program to do this or that to solve your problem or to clean your registry or whatever.  You have to learn things about what to do and what not to do and that is far beyond the perview of this list.  But there are other good blindness-related technical lists where such questions would be welcomed and on topic.  I can give information about two such lists if desired.

 

What about other examples? 

How many computers can you run your version of Word on?  Search for how many computers can you run Word 2010 on, as an example.  I haven't done this but I'm confident that you'll get lots of relevant results.  My hard drive is making a clicking sound when I first start my computer.  What does it mean?  A google search for hard drive clicks during spin up or my hard drive clicks when first started or some variation will yield lots of relevant results. 

 

For most of my life, I had to rely on sighted people to get all sorts of information that I might want to know such as might be in an encyclopedia.  All I have to do is do a Google search for a topic and write the word wikipedia and one of the first results is almost certain to be a Wikipedia article on the subject.  At times, when I read a difficult piece of literature and I want to know more about it and understand it better but I don't want to read something as detailed as a book, if I do a search for something like the name of the book and the word criticism, I'll often find good information.  I have to evaluate the source.  Is it a good source or a questionable source such as something a high school student posted on line like a term paper he/she did?  And even then, if I read some or all of a questionable source, I may get good information. 

 

I almost never go to a site where I know I might find something any longer.  If I want to find an NVDA add on, I type something like NVDA and then the name of the add on or if I don't know it, I might type something like NVDA add on for weather or NVDA weather add on.  I check the address under the link I'm interested in following to make sure it's the NVDA add ons page.  It's so much easier than working with all sorts of different web pages to just open the Google search edit field in my browser, do a search and go to the page I want. 

 

And as I've repeatedly emphasized, Google search is a consumer product.  It understands sentences.  If you are more comfortable writing sentences than just a terse phrase such as New York City population 2018, you can write What is the population of New York City in 2018.  You don't have to use voice assistants like The Echo to do searches.  Why are people so intimidated and unwilling to do Google searches but not to ask a question of a search assistant? 

 

The sorts of things I'm discussing should be an important part of any good Internet training material for blind people.  It isn't.  You are taught the mechanics of searching but nothing or almost nothing of what I've been discussing. 

 

Gene

 

From: JM Casey

Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 10:42 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] OEClassic gets an update fixing more accessibility issues

 

I think you are absolutely spot on with this. I used to get really annoyed when people would respond to a question with “google is your friend” and somesuch, because I thought they were just closing potentially useful discussion in a smart-arsed kind of way. But that was before I joined a lot of “blind tech” type mailing lists. Now, I can’t begin to estimate the number of times I see questions being asked whose answers could be found almost immediately with a simple google search, especially when it comes to step-by-step instructions on how to do something. Not so much on this list, which I don’t always have much to contribute to, but especially on a JAWS list I subscribe to. Whenever I use google, 9 times out of 10, I’d say, I find exactly what I want on the first try. Maybe I just know how to break down a question into its key elements to get meaningful results? Maybe not everyone has this skill. I don’t know. It’s always seemed second-nature to me and I’ve been doing web searches since the days when I used the Internet through telnet and a linux shell in 1996. And it’s mostly gotten better since then, not worse. I know looking at strange websites can sometimes be a pain, but when you see all the stuff you can find out there and how almost any problem you have can be cleared up without the need to call someone in a panic or something, it’ll give you a great sense of independence.

 

For tech-related questions, there are dozens of forums (message boards) out there where people have posted about experiencing every kind of issue you can think of. There’s usually a discussion, and sometimes multiple solutions. You can learn a lot from looking at these forum posts.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: February 23, 2018 3:46 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] OEClassic gets an update fixing more accessibility issues

 

Neither the list owner nor I, the moderator, have said anything about this.  Since you may be interested in my opinion, not as a moderator, but as someone who doesn't like to see blind people needlessly depriving themselves of a lot of information available to blind people in real time and with complete independence, I'll give it.

 

You learn how to do Internet Searches by trial and error after you know the basic principles.  You won't get malware by doing a search.  You may get malware by going to a not trusted site.  The address to the site is given below the link to every result. 

 

If you are downloading something and you don't know and aren't sure what a trusted site is for the download, then asking makes sense.  Also, free programs increasingly are bundled with programs people don't want and that may cause problems even if the download comes from the producer of the program's site.  So again, asking makes sense if you are worried about that.  But in an era when Google is used for an enormous amount of information, a lot of blind people don't use it much.  After centuries of blind people being at a significant information disadvantage, when sighted people use Google constantly, it's indeed unfortunate that so many blind people don't do so. 

 

As far as the list is concerned, there is no list position about people asking questions or using Google.  A list member may express an opinion now and then, but that' is the opinion of the member.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2018 9:50 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] OEClassic gets an update fixing more accessibility issues

 

 sara  you  are a better woman then me.

it's hard to Google and not know what exactly one is looking for.

I also worry about malware.

But as I said if the list owners want me to check Google before posting to this list I'll abide by the rules just along as we all follow them.

 

 

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can control is your character.
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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sarah k Alawami
Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2018 7:47 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] OEClassic gets an update fixing more accessibility issues

As a general role I do my best and google for what I need first. This causes me to learn about operateors etc and I might get information a lot faster than this list, or any other lists. If I cannot find the info I will reference the fact I did google for it and got no results.

 

Take care

 

On Feb 21, 2018, at 6:41 PM, Karim Lakhani <karim.lakhani@...> wrote:

 

thanks can we close this list to many questions are being asked when we can rely on google.

 

 

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SKYPE: goldenace4

$$$

Your reputation is in the hands of others. That's what a
reputation is. You can't control that. The only thing you
can control is your character.
- Wayne Walter Dyer (1940-)

 

 

 

 


From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2018 5:49 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] OEClassic gets an update fixing more accessibility issues

A Google search for OE Classic identities shows this article as the first result:

 

Yes, it has identities.  It doesn't say whether they are available in both the free and paid versions. 

 

See this page, containing a table about features.  You can't read it using table commands but just down arrowing through it reads self-explanatory lines and it makes perfect sense and is in logical order. 

Identities are only available in the pro version, which you must pay for.

Message rules are available in both versions.

 

Gene

-Original Message -----

Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2018 6:24 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] OEClassic gets an update fixing more accessibility issues

 

The question is, does it have identities in a free or relatively cheap
version. This and message rules are the most important things along with
read and unread flag reading etc.
 Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Robert Kingett" <kingettr@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2018 1:05 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] OEClassic gets an update fixing more accessibility
issues


I did some web crawling. The pro version has identities, so not sure if that
is something you want, but I would comb through all of their news section
( https://www.oeclassic.com/news ) to see what features have been added. The
free version is on 27 now. 28, the more accessible version, will be free
when the pro version shoots up to 29. I can wait. No big deal for me, but I
think it is a one time payment? And you get upgrades for life? I'll have to
look at the website again though.

 


Re: Fw: [Nvda-devel] NVDA 2018.1rc1 released

Simon Eigeldinger
 

Fortunately the espeak ng german problems haven't moved into stable yet.
thanks.

Greetings,
Simon


Am 23.02.2018 um 11:51 schrieb Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io:

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Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 4:42 AM
Subject: [Nvda-devel] NVDA 2018.1rc1 released


Hi all,


NVDA 2018.1rc1 has just been released. This will be identical to the
2018.1 final release unless any critical bugs are found.


Blog post:
https://www.nvaccess.org/post/nvda-2018-1rc1-released-for-testing/


thanks

Mick


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Re: OEClassic gets an update fixing more accessibility issues

Gene
 

I'm not telling anyone to do anything.  It's unfortunate that you take constructive encouragement or education or whatever you want to call it as coercion and resist it as somehow inappropriate or malicious.  You made this an issue in the first place because one list member sent one message suggesting that using Google more would be faster.  Neither you nor anyone on the list has to use Google.  There is no list position on the subject;  Neither I nor the list owner will take any action whether anyone uses Google or not.  "
And I said in my first post, that I was not speaking as a moderator; I was giving my opinion as a list member.  So don't accuse me of speaking as a moderator.  this has nothing to do with list policy.  I'm  simply trying to encourage people to use the greatest resource that gives blind people equal access to information since the start of the world.  I have given encouragement and provided lots of examples to help those who want to use the Internet better.  You are free not to do so and I am not criticizing you directly or indirectly in any message. 
 
I have strong feelings on the subject and I'm trying to help break down the information disadvantage a lot of blind people have because they are intimidated or don't know how to use search engines.  Cruel?  I'd say very beneficial if my encouragement yields results.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 10:58 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] OEClassic gets an update fixing more accessibility issues

I'm glad to hear that I'm still allowed to post to the list, even though you are encouraging all blind people to use Google.
I was wondering if the list owner has the same views such as yours?
Wow, I  think it's time to move on from a list which a moderator keeps telling people what to do and how to do it.
all in the name of making blind people  independent and not relying on lists such as this.
Thanks for  your great enlightening post made my day!
Blind people are more cruel to each other then any other disability I have ever had a chance to meet.
Gene, instead of explaining your position on every thing people post could you write them privately so   y out don't clutter up t he list!
If you are owner of  the list,  please let us know?
Did Carlos encourage people to use Google as well?
I've had a discussion about this matter with you Gene on another list because it was so simple to get the answer from Google.
Please stop sitting on the fence and just tell people not to post questions on this list.
I certainly will be way more careful.
I've asked a thunder bird question and will continue to waste my time doing t he research instead of an regular  user could answer it a lot faster.
Gene, which tech lists do you not moderate so I can join one that doesn't mind questions.
Have a fantastic day all!
 
 
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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 1:46 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] OEClassic gets an update fixing more accessibility issues

Neither the list owner nor I, the moderator, have said anything about this.  Since you may be interested in my opinion, not as a moderator, but as someone who doesn't like to see blind people needlessly depriving themselves of a lot of information available to blind people in real time and with complete independence, I'll give it.
 
You learn how to do Internet Searches by trial and error after you know the basic principles.  You won't get malware by doing a search.  You may get malware by going to a not trusted site.  The address to the site is given below the link to every result. 
 
If you are downloading something and you don't know and aren't sure what a trusted site is for the download, then asking makes sense.  Also, free programs increasingly are bundled with programs people don't want and that may cause problems even if the download comes from the producer of the program's site.  So again, asking makes sense if you are worried about that.  But in an era when Google is used for an enormous amount of information, a lot of blind people don't use it much.  After centuries of blind people being at a significant information disadvantage, when sighted people use Google constantly, it's indeed unfortunate that so many blind people don't do so. 
 
As far as the list is concerned, there is no list position about people asking questions or using Google.  A list member may express an opinion now and then, but that' is the opinion of the member.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2018 9:50 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] OEClassic gets an update fixing more accessibility issues

 sara  you  are a better woman then me.
it's hard to Google and not know what exactly one is looking for.
I also worry about malware.
But as I said if the list owners want me to check Google before posting to this list I'll abide by the rules just along as we all follow them.
 
 
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$$$
Your reputation is in the hands of others. That's what a
reputation is. You can't control that. The only thing you
can control is your character.
- Wayne Walter Dyer (1940-)
 
 
 


From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sarah k Alawami
Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2018 7:47 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] OEClassic gets an update fixing more accessibility issues

As a general role I do my best and google for what I need first. This causes me to learn about operateors etc and I might get information a lot faster than this list, or any other lists. If I cannot find the info I will reference the fact I did google for it and got no results.

Take care

On Feb 21, 2018, at 6:41 PM, Karim Lakhani <karim.lakhani@...> wrote:

thanks can we close this list to many questions are being asked when we can rely on google.
 
 
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Your reputation is in the hands of others. That's what a
reputation is. You can't control that. The only thing you
can control is your character.
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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2018 5:49 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] OEClassic gets an update fixing more accessibility issues

A Google search for OE Classic identities shows this article as the first result:
 
Yes, it has identities.  It doesn't say whether they are available in both the free and paid versions. 
 
See this page, containing a table about features.  You can't read it using table commands but just down arrowing through it reads self-explanatory lines and it makes perfect sense and is in logical order. 
Identities are only available in the pro version, which you must pay for.
Message rules are available in both versions.
 
Gene
-Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2018 6:24 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] OEClassic gets an update fixing more accessibility issues

The question is, does it have identities in a free or relatively cheap
version. This and message rules are the most important things along with
read and unread flag reading etc.
 Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Robert Kingett" <kingettr@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2018 1:05 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] OEClassic gets an update fixing more accessibility
issues


I did some web crawling. The pro version has identities, so not sure if that
is something you want, but I would comb through all of their news section
( https://www.oeclassic.com/news ) to see what features have been added. The
free version is on 27 now. 28, the more accessible version, will be free
when the pro version shoots up to 29. I can wait. No big deal for me, but I
think it is a one time payment? And you get upgrades for life? I'll have to
look at the website again though.





Re: Bug in espeak ng used in NVDA Next

Simon Eigeldinger
 

Well then the only thing is to update your OS.
many programs don't run on xp anyway with their latest versions.

Greetings,
Simon



Am 23.02.2018 um 13:32 schrieb zahra:
thanks so much for your link.
but i wish that can use new versions of espeak ng too.
On 2/23/18, Ralf Kefferpuetz <ralf.kefferpuetz@...> wrote:
http://espeak.sourceforge.net/download.html

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of zahra
Sent: Freitag, 23. Februar 2018 11:50
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Bug in espeak ng used in NVDA Next

where can i download sapi5 version of espeak?
i did not find sapi5 version of 1.49.1 or 49.2 of espeak.

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Surely if you are using it on a system like mine with windows 7 which
is still supported, they should use this as their base version supported.
Brian

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From: "Quentin Christensen" <quentin@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 8:33 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Bug in espeak ng used in NVDA Next


Just above where you can download the Windows binaries on:
https://github.com/espeak-ng/espeak-ng

There is a table showing minimum version. For Windows it says you
need Windows 8. I wasn't 100% sure whether that was if you were
compiling it yourself or for the binaries as well, but that could be the
reason.

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 7:13 PM, zahra <nasrinkhaksar3@...> wrote:

no, i am sure completely that i installed 32bit version of espeak-ng,
but recieved the error for not valid win32!
i use windows xp, as many people know.

On 2/23/18, Quentin Christensen <quentin@...> wrote:
Sorry, that was my misreading re eSpeak-NG versions.

Re eSpeak-ng saying it won't work on Win 32, at a guess you may
have downloaded the 64-bit version - on that eSpeak-NG download page:
https://github.com/espeak-ng/espeak-ng#binaries you can download
Windows binaries for 64 or 32-bit.

I'll have a look and see when we plan to update to one of the newer
eSpeak-NG builds in next.

Quentin.



On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 4:29 AM, Simon Eigeldinger
<simon.eigeldinger@...
wrote:
Forgot to ask which OS are you using?

Greetings,
Simon



Am 22.02.2018 um 18:06 schrieb zahra:

hi.
i downloaded any version of 1.49.1 and 1.49.2 of espeak ng and
says that its not valid for win32!
but i am sure that download x86 version of espeak.
do you know the reason of this error?

On 2/22/18, Simon Eigeldinger <simon.eigeldinger@...> wrote:

Hi Brian,

This is just a german only problem i have had.
already have reported to the espeak ng team and it has been
fixed in espeak ng master.
nvda next has espeak ng master from a few weeks where the bug is
present.

Greetings,
Simon


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I'm still using the old Espeak in the speech palyer in espeak
as the weird ways some words are said in ng is still a problem.
brian

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Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2018 3:32 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Bug in espeak ng used in NVDA Next


Hi Simon,

What version of eSpeak-NG are you using? Looking at:
https://github.com/espeak-ng/espeak-ng/releases indicates that
the latest version is 1.49.2, which we updated to prior to NVDA
2017.4.

Having said that, I know there are still issues with eSpeak,
some of which are tracked on our issue tracker, and some on
eSpeak-NG's here:
https://github.com/espeak-ng/espeak-ng/issues

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Thu, Feb 22, 2018 at 5:35 AM, Simon Eigeldinger
<simon.eigeldinger@...

wrote:
Hi all,

The currently used espeak ng has a bug in the german language.
The bug has been fixed and espeak ng should be updated to
latest master.
haven't opened a ticket yet because i thought i'll not make to
much noise about it.
though i can open a ticket as well if the devs prefer that.

Greetings and thanks,
Simon



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Re: FW: [win10] Version 1709 and beyond: screen readers must support uIA notification event in order to announce various things from apps #winten1803 #advisory #winten1709

 

Hi,

In case of NVDA, the solution will be in the form of Windows 10 App Essentials add-on version 18.03 (next week).

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 9:47 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] FW: [win10] Version 1709 and beyond: screen readers must support uIA notification event in order to announce various things from apps #ADVISORY #WinTen1709 #WinTen1803

 

Hi all,

 

First, apologies for mentioning competition, but I felt it is best to do so given the overall context. Second, the advisory is deemed major (to severe for some cases) and is applicable for people running Windows 10 Fall Creators Update and beyond. The source of this advisory is a Win10 forum hosted on Groups.IO at https://win10.groups.io/g/win10.

 

Thanks.

 

From: win10@win10.groups.io [mailto:win10@win10.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 9:42 AM
To: win10@win10.groups.io
Subject: [win10] Version 1709 and beyond: screen readers must support uIA notification event in order to announce various things from apps #ADVISORY #WinTen1709 #WinTen1803

 

Hi everyone,

 

The following advisory is considered major in that it impacts all known screen readers )except for one or two; feel free to pass this on, although please do cite where you’ve got the advisory from):

 

Problem: notifications from apps such as Calculator, Microsoft Store and others are not announced by screen readers.

 

Background: in Windows 10 Version 1709 and later, if apps are written correctly, they can send notification texts to be announced by screen readers. A UIA client such as a screen reader must be able to catch this in order to announce certain notifications, including Calculator’s display window, app update status in Microsoft Store, various notifications from Edge, Alarms and Clock and other apps.

 

Steps to reproduce:

 

  1. While using Windows 10 Version 1709 or later (including current Insider Preview builds), launch an app such as Alarms and Clock (be sure it is the latest version).
  2. In case of Alarms and Clock, go to Stopwatch tab and start and stop the stopwatch.
  3. For Calculator, do some calculations.

 

Expected: screen reader announces messages such as “Stopwatch stopped” in Alarms and Clock and “display is something” in Calculator.

Actual: only Narrator announces such texts.

Cause: other screen readers do not track UIA notification event. This is due to the fact that Version 1709 introduces this event, which requires tracking a newer UIA interface.

 

Known solutions/mitigations/workarounds and impact:

 

  • Narrator: green light/okay; works out of the box (requires Version 1709 and later).
  • JAWS for Windows: red light/major; no support (version 2018.1802.78 did not solve the Calculator display text problem, for instance).
  • NonVisual Desktop Access: yellow light/solution being tested (through an add-on update).

 

This advisory will be closed once major screen readers (in addition to the three listed above) provides at least a basic solution.

 

Cheers,

Joseph


FW: [win10] Version 1709 and beyond: screen readers must support uIA notification event in order to announce various things from apps #winten1803 #advisory #winten1709

 

Hi all,

 

First, apologies for mentioning competition, but I felt it is best to do so given the overall context. Second, the advisory is deemed major (to severe for some cases) and is applicable for people running Windows 10 Fall Creators Update and beyond. The source of this advisory is a Win10 forum hosted on Groups.IO at https://win10.groups.io/g/win10.

 

Thanks.

 

From: win10@win10.groups.io [mailto:win10@win10.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 9:42 AM
To: win10@win10.groups.io
Subject: [win10] Version 1709 and beyond: screen readers must support uIA notification event in order to announce various things from apps #ADVISORY #WinTen1709 #WinTen1803

 

Hi everyone,

 

The following advisory is considered major in that it impacts all known screen readers )except for one or two; feel free to pass this on, although please do cite where you’ve got the advisory from):

 

Problem: notifications from apps such as Calculator, Microsoft Store and others are not announced by screen readers.

 

Background: in Windows 10 Version 1709 and later, if apps are written correctly, they can send notification texts to be announced by screen readers. A UIA client such as a screen reader must be able to catch this in order to announce certain notifications, including Calculator’s display window, app update status in Microsoft Store, various notifications from Edge, Alarms and Clock and other apps.

 

Steps to reproduce:

 

  1. While using Windows 10 Version 1709 or later (including current Insider Preview builds), launch an app such as Alarms and Clock (be sure it is the latest version).
  2. In case of Alarms and Clock, go to Stopwatch tab and start and stop the stopwatch.
  3. For Calculator, do some calculations.

 

Expected: screen reader announces messages such as “Stopwatch stopped” in Alarms and Clock and “display is something” in Calculator.

Actual: only Narrator announces such texts.

Cause: other screen readers do not track UIA notification event. This is due to the fact that Version 1709 introduces this event, which requires tracking a newer UIA interface.

 

Known solutions/mitigations/workarounds and impact:

 

  • Narrator: green light/okay; works out of the box (requires Version 1709 and later).
  • JAWS for Windows: red light/major; no support (version 2018.1802.78 did not solve the Calculator display text problem, for instance).
  • NonVisual Desktop Access: yellow light/solution being tested (through an add-on update).

 

This advisory will be closed once major screen readers (in addition to the three listed above) provides at least a basic solution.

 

Cheers,

Joseph


Re: Bug in espeak ng used in NVDA Next

Simon Eigeldinger
 

Hi,
the latest espeak version that should work with xp is here:
http://espeak.sourceforge.net/test/latest.html


Am 23.02.2018 um 11:50 schrieb zahra:

where can i download sapi5 version of espeak?
i did not find sapi5 version of 1.49.1 or 49.2 of espeak.
On 2/23/18, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
<bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io> wrote:
Surely if you are using it on a system like mine with windows 7 which is
still supported, they should use this as their base version supported.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Quentin Christensen" <quentin@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 8:33 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Bug in espeak ng used in NVDA Next


Just above where you can download the Windows binaries on:
https://github.com/espeak-ng/espeak-ng

There is a table showing minimum version. For Windows it says you need
Windows 8. I wasn't 100% sure whether that was if you were compiling it
yourself or for the binaries as well, but that could be the reason.

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 7:13 PM, zahra <nasrinkhaksar3@...> wrote:

no, i am sure completely that i installed 32bit version of espeak-ng,
but recieved the error for not valid win32!
i use windows xp, as many people know.

On 2/23/18, Quentin Christensen <quentin@...> wrote:
Sorry, that was my misreading re eSpeak-NG versions.

Re eSpeak-ng saying it won't work on Win 32, at a guess you may have
downloaded the 64-bit version - on that eSpeak-NG download page:
https://github.com/espeak-ng/espeak-ng#binaries you can download
Windows
binaries for 64 or 32-bit.

I'll have a look and see when we plan to update to one of the newer
eSpeak-NG builds in next.

Quentin.



On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 4:29 AM, Simon Eigeldinger
<simon.eigeldinger@...
wrote:
Forgot to ask which OS are you using?

Greetings,
Simon



Am 22.02.2018 um 18:06 schrieb zahra:

hi.
i downloaded any version of 1.49.1 and 1.49.2 of espeak ng and says
that its not valid for win32!
but i am sure that download x86 version of espeak.
do you know the reason of this error?

On 2/22/18, Simon Eigeldinger <simon.eigeldinger@...> wrote:

Hi Brian,

This is just a german only problem i have had.
already have reported to the espeak ng team and it has been fixed in
espeak ng master.
nvda next has espeak ng master from a few weeks where the bug is
present.

Greetings,
Simon


Am 22.02.2018 um 10:47 schrieb Brian's Mail list account via
Groups.Io:

I'm still using the old Espeak in the speech palyer in espeak as
the
weird ways some words are said in ng is still a problem.
brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Quentin Christensen"
<quentin@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2018 3:32 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Bug in espeak ng used in NVDA Next


Hi Simon,

What version of eSpeak-NG are you using? Looking at:
https://github.com/espeak-ng/espeak-ng/releases indicates that the
latest
version is 1.49.2, which we updated to prior to NVDA 2017.4.

Having said that, I know there are still issues with eSpeak, some
of
which
are tracked on our issue tracker, and some on eSpeak-NG's here:
https://github.com/espeak-ng/espeak-ng/issues

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Thu, Feb 22, 2018 at 5:35 AM, Simon Eigeldinger
<simon.eigeldinger@...

wrote:
Hi all,

The currently used espeak ng has a bug in the german language.
The bug has been fixed and espeak ng should be updated to latest
master.
haven't opened a ticket yet because i thought i'll not make to
much
noise about it.
though i can open a ticket as well if the devs prefer that.

Greetings and thanks,
Simon



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were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali




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Training and Support Manager

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