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Re: Fixed Vocalizer-Expressive driver for NVDA 2019.3.1 and later

Bob Jutzi
 

I would be interested in a demo; however, after installing the current
driver along with a voice, I'm getting a notice that my demo has expired.

On 6/25/2020 10:07 AM, Rui Fontes wrote:
Hello!

We were alerted to an error when typing or spelling in the
Vocalizer-Expressive 3.1.1 driver.

As far as we know, it only affects hebrew and arabic languages...


After some investigation we found the error and have already corrected
it.

The new driver version is at:
https://www.tiflotecnia.net/Instal/vocalizer_expressive_driver-3.1.2.nvda-addon


Best regards,

Customer support
Tiflotecnia, Lda.



Fixed Vocalizer-Expressive driver for NVDA 2019.3.1 and later

Rui Fontes
 

Hello!

We were alerted to an error when typing or spelling in the Vocalizer-Expressive 3.1.1 driver.

As far as we know, it only affects hebrew and arabic languages...


After some investigation we found the error and have already corrected it.

The new driver version is at:
https://www.tiflotecnia.net/Instal/vocalizer_expressive_driver-3.1.2.nvda-addon

Best regards,

Customer support
Tiflotecnia, Lda.


Re: nvda ocr

Sam Taylor
 

Your system focus remains where it was; just continue to use your arrow keys. It's not like JAWS where it's necessary to change back to your original cursor.



On 25/06/2020 10:00 pm, Aschalew Byness wrote:
thank you; but if position the navigator object with nvda+down or up
arrow, what keystroke should I then press to get back to the system
focus?

On 6/25/20, Sam Taylor via groups.io <samtaylor9@...> wrote:
numpad 7 or numpad 9 on a desktop, NVDA up arrow or NVDA down arrow if
using laptop layout.

You may also benefit from reading sections 5.4 and 5.5 of the user
manual concerning object navigation and reviewing text.


On 25/06/2020 9:20 pm, Aschalew Byness wrote:

If I want to ocr a book, how do I position the navigater object? I
mean, what key should I press first before I press nvda+r?

On 6/25/20, Sam Taylor via groups.io <samtaylor9@...> wrote:
NVDA's OCR recognises the current navigator object, not the system
focus. So make sure that you position the navigator object first at the
place you think the OCR should occur, before pressing NVDA+R.

On 25/06/2020 7:51 pm, Aschalew Byness wrote:

The image is a scanned document. I open this scanned document with
Adobe reader. When I open it, nvda says: “Alert: Empty page  page
This page appears to be empty. It may contain a scanned image that
needs OCR or it may be part of a malformed document.” After getting
this message, I press insert +r. nvda says: ‘recognizing. Result
document.” After that, if I press insert +r, nvda says: ‘already in a
content recognition result’. If I arrow then, it reads: ‘blank”.

On 6/25/20, Aschalew Byness via groups.io
<gakidan.ashagre235@...> wrote:
yeah, I am using windows 10 2004 version. when I try to recognize an
image by pressing insert + r, there is nothing shown or heard. no bip
sound, no spoken outcome whether it is recognizing. even when I press
arrow keys, it simply says 'blank'. then How do I know whether it has
started recognizing. How do I know whether it has finished
recognising?

On 6/25/20, zahra <nasrinkhaksar3@...> wrote:
hello.
do you use windows ten?
if so, windows ten has internal ocr functionality that nvda
developers
added support for it since nvda version 2017.3.
if you use any other windows version that has not internal ocr
capability, you should install ocr addon.

On 6/25/20, Aschalew Byness <gakidan.ashagre235@...> wrote:
Hi lovely guys
I always try to have nvda recognize image or scanned documents with
insert+r. I don't get any result though. but, in jaws, when I press
insert + space, o, c, I hear a kind of bip sound to let me know that
the recognition is in process. it also lets me know when it finishes
recognizing the document. I don't get the same in nvda although I
press insert +r. it is dead silence. does this nvda OCR recognition
really work.




--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali






            









Re: nvda ocr

Gene
 

You can't OCR extended material with NVDA. You may be able to OCR something like one image or one page of an image at a time, but not entire documents.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Aschalew Byness
Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2020 6:20 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda ocr

If I want to ocr a book, how do I position the navigater object? I
mean, what key should I press first before I press nvda+r?

On 6/25/20, Sam Taylor via groups.io <samtaylor9=me.com@groups.io> wrote:
NVDA's OCR recognises the current navigator object, not the system
focus. So make sure that you position the navigator object first at the
place you think the OCR should occur, before pressing NVDA+R.

On 25/06/2020 7:51 pm, Aschalew Byness wrote:

The image is a scanned document. I open this scanned document with
Adobe reader. When I open it, nvda says: “Alert: Empty page page
This page appears to be empty. It may contain a scanned image that
needs OCR or it may be part of a malformed document.” After getting
this message, I press insert +r. nvda says: ‘recognizing. Result
document.” After that, if I press insert +r, nvda says: ‘already in a
content recognition result’. If I arrow then, it reads: ‘blank”.

On 6/25/20, Aschalew Byness via groups.io
<gakidan.ashagre235=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:
yeah, I am using windows 10 2004 version. when I try to recognize an
image by pressing insert + r, there is nothing shown or heard. no bip
sound, no spoken outcome whether it is recognizing. even when I press
arrow keys, it simply says 'blank'. then How do I know whether it has
started recognizing. How do I know whether it has finished
recognising?

On 6/25/20, zahra <nasrinkhaksar3@...> wrote:
hello.
do you use windows ten?
if so, windows ten has internal ocr functionality that nvda developers
added support for it since nvda version 2017.3.
if you use any other windows version that has not internal ocr
capability, you should install ocr addon.

On 6/25/20, Aschalew Byness <gakidan.ashagre235@...> wrote:
Hi lovely guys
I always try to have nvda recognize image or scanned documents with
insert+r. I don't get any result though. but, in jaws, when I press
insert + space, o, c, I hear a kind of bip sound to let me know that
the recognition is in process. it also lets me know when it finishes
recognizing the document. I don't get the same in nvda although I
press insert +r. it is dead silence. does this nvda OCR recognition
really work.



--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali







Re: nvda ocr

Aschalew Byness
 

thank you; but if position the navigator object with nvda+down or up
arrow, what keystroke should I then press to get back to the system
focus?

On 6/25/20, Sam Taylor via groups.io <samtaylor9=me.com@groups.io> wrote:
numpad 7 or numpad 9 on a desktop, NVDA up arrow or NVDA down arrow if
using laptop layout.

You may also benefit from reading sections 5.4 and 5.5 of the user
manual concerning object navigation and reviewing text.


On 25/06/2020 9:20 pm, Aschalew Byness wrote:

If I want to ocr a book, how do I position the navigater object? I
mean, what key should I press first before I press nvda+r?

On 6/25/20, Sam Taylor via groups.io <samtaylor9=me.com@groups.io> wrote:
NVDA's OCR recognises the current navigator object, not the system
focus. So make sure that you position the navigator object first at the
place you think the OCR should occur, before pressing NVDA+R.

On 25/06/2020 7:51 pm, Aschalew Byness wrote:

The image is a scanned document. I open this scanned document with
Adobe reader. When I open it, nvda says: “Alert: Empty page page
This page appears to be empty. It may contain a scanned image that
needs OCR or it may be part of a malformed document.” After getting
this message, I press insert +r. nvda says: ‘recognizing. Result
document.” After that, if I press insert +r, nvda says: ‘already in a
content recognition result’. If I arrow then, it reads: ‘blank”.

On 6/25/20, Aschalew Byness via groups.io
<gakidan.ashagre235=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:
yeah, I am using windows 10 2004 version. when I try to recognize an
image by pressing insert + r, there is nothing shown or heard. no bip
sound, no spoken outcome whether it is recognizing. even when I press
arrow keys, it simply says 'blank'. then How do I know whether it has
started recognizing. How do I know whether it has finished
recognising?

On 6/25/20, zahra <nasrinkhaksar3@...> wrote:
hello.
do you use windows ten?
if so, windows ten has internal ocr functionality that nvda
developers
added support for it since nvda version 2017.3.
if you use any other windows version that has not internal ocr
capability, you should install ocr addon.

On 6/25/20, Aschalew Byness <gakidan.ashagre235@...> wrote:
Hi lovely guys
I always try to have nvda recognize image or scanned documents with
insert+r. I don't get any result though. but, in jaws, when I press
insert + space, o, c, I hear a kind of bip sound to let me know that
the recognition is in process. it also lets me know when it finishes
recognizing the document. I don't get the same in nvda although I
press insert +r. it is dead silence. does this nvda OCR recognition
really work.



--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali







Re: nvda ocr

Sam Taylor
 

numpad 7 or numpad 9 on a desktop, NVDA up arrow or NVDA down arrow if using laptop layout.

You may also benefit from reading sections 5.4 and 5.5 of the user manual concerning object navigation and reviewing text.


On 25/06/2020 9:20 pm, Aschalew Byness wrote:

If I want to ocr a book, how do I position the navigater object? I
mean, what key should I press first before I press nvda+r?

On 6/25/20, Sam Taylor via groups.io <samtaylor9@...> wrote:
NVDA's OCR recognises the current navigator object, not the system
focus. So make sure that you position the navigator object first at the
place you think the OCR should occur, before pressing NVDA+R.

On 25/06/2020 7:51 pm, Aschalew Byness wrote:

The image is a scanned document. I open this scanned document with
Adobe reader. When I open it, nvda says: “Alert: Empty page  page
This page appears to be empty. It may contain a scanned image that
needs OCR or it may be part of a malformed document.” After getting
this message, I press insert +r. nvda says: ‘recognizing. Result
document.” After that, if I press insert +r, nvda says: ‘already in a
content recognition result’. If I arrow then, it reads: ‘blank”.

On 6/25/20, Aschalew Byness via groups.io
<gakidan.ashagre235@...> wrote:
yeah, I am using windows 10 2004 version. when I try to recognize an
image by pressing insert + r, there is nothing shown or heard. no bip
sound, no spoken outcome whether it is recognizing. even when I press
arrow keys, it simply says 'blank'. then How do I know whether it has
started recognizing. How do I know whether it has finished
recognising?

On 6/25/20, zahra <nasrinkhaksar3@...> wrote:
hello.
do you use windows ten?
if so, windows ten has internal ocr functionality that nvda developers
added support for it since nvda version 2017.3.
if you use any other windows version that has not internal ocr
capability, you should install ocr addon.

On 6/25/20, Aschalew Byness <gakidan.ashagre235@...> wrote:
Hi lovely guys
I always try to have nvda recognize image or scanned documents with
insert+r. I don't get any result though. but, in jaws, when I press
insert + space, o, c, I hear a kind of bip sound to let me know that
the recognition is in process. it also lets me know when it finishes
recognizing the document. I don't get the same in nvda although I
press insert +r. it is dead silence. does this nvda OCR recognition
really work.




--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali













Re: nvda ocr

Aschalew Byness
 

If I want to ocr a book, how do I position the navigater object? I
mean, what key should I press first before I press nvda+r?

On 6/25/20, Sam Taylor via groups.io <samtaylor9=me.com@groups.io> wrote:
NVDA's OCR recognises the current navigator object, not the system
focus. So make sure that you position the navigator object first at the
place you think the OCR should occur, before pressing NVDA+R.

On 25/06/2020 7:51 pm, Aschalew Byness wrote:

The image is a scanned document. I open this scanned document with
Adobe reader. When I open it, nvda says: “Alert: Empty page page
This page appears to be empty. It may contain a scanned image that
needs OCR or it may be part of a malformed document.” After getting
this message, I press insert +r. nvda says: ‘recognizing. Result
document.” After that, if I press insert +r, nvda says: ‘already in a
content recognition result’. If I arrow then, it reads: ‘blank”.

On 6/25/20, Aschalew Byness via groups.io
<gakidan.ashagre235=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:
yeah, I am using windows 10 2004 version. when I try to recognize an
image by pressing insert + r, there is nothing shown or heard. no bip
sound, no spoken outcome whether it is recognizing. even when I press
arrow keys, it simply says 'blank'. then How do I know whether it has
started recognizing. How do I know whether it has finished
recognising?

On 6/25/20, zahra <nasrinkhaksar3@...> wrote:
hello.
do you use windows ten?
if so, windows ten has internal ocr functionality that nvda developers
added support for it since nvda version 2017.3.
if you use any other windows version that has not internal ocr
capability, you should install ocr addon.

On 6/25/20, Aschalew Byness <gakidan.ashagre235@...> wrote:
Hi lovely guys
I always try to have nvda recognize image or scanned documents with
insert+r. I don't get any result though. but, in jaws, when I press
insert + space, o, c, I hear a kind of bip sound to let me know that
the recognition is in process. it also lets me know when it finishes
recognizing the document. I don't get the same in nvda although I
press insert +r. it is dead silence. does this nvda OCR recognition
really work.



--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali







Re: nvda ocr

Sam Taylor
 

NVDA's OCR recognises the current navigator object, not the system focus. So make sure that you position the navigator object first at the place you think the OCR should occur, before pressing NVDA+R.

On 25/06/2020 7:51 pm, Aschalew Byness wrote:

The image is a scanned document. I open this scanned document with
Adobe reader. When I open it, nvda says: “Alert: Empty page  page
This page appears to be empty. It may contain a scanned image that
needs OCR or it may be part of a malformed document.” After getting
this message, I press insert +r. nvda says: ‘recognizing. Result
document.” After that, if I press insert +r, nvda says: ‘already in a
content recognition result’. If I arrow then, it reads: ‘blank”.

On 6/25/20, Aschalew Byness via groups.io
<gakidan.ashagre235@...> wrote:
yeah, I am using windows 10 2004 version. when I try to recognize an
image by pressing insert + r, there is nothing shown or heard. no bip
sound, no spoken outcome whether it is recognizing. even when I press
arrow keys, it simply says 'blank'. then How do I know whether it has
started recognizing. How do I know whether it has finished
recognising?

On 6/25/20, zahra <nasrinkhaksar3@...> wrote:
hello.
do you use windows ten?
if so, windows ten has internal ocr functionality that nvda developers
added support for it since nvda version 2017.3.
if you use any other windows version that has not internal ocr
capability, you should install ocr addon.

On 6/25/20, Aschalew Byness <gakidan.ashagre235@...> wrote:
Hi lovely guys
I always try to have nvda recognize image or scanned documents with
insert+r. I don't get any result though. but, in jaws, when I press
insert + space, o, c, I hear a kind of bip sound to let me know that
the recognition is in process. it also lets me know when it finishes
recognizing the document. I don't get the same in nvda although I
press insert +r. it is dead silence. does this nvda OCR recognition
really work.





--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali










Re: nvda ocr

Aschalew Byness
 

The image is a scanned document. I open this scanned document with
Adobe reader. When I open it, nvda says: “Alert: Empty page page
This page appears to be empty. It may contain a scanned image that
needs OCR or it may be part of a malformed document.” After getting
this message, I press insert +r. nvda says: ‘recognizing. Result
document.” After that, if I press insert +r, nvda says: ‘already in a
content recognition result’. If I arrow then, it reads: ‘blank”.

On 6/25/20, Aschalew Byness via groups.io
<gakidan.ashagre235=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:
yeah, I am using windows 10 2004 version. when I try to recognize an
image by pressing insert + r, there is nothing shown or heard. no bip
sound, no spoken outcome whether it is recognizing. even when I press
arrow keys, it simply says 'blank'. then How do I know whether it has
started recognizing. How do I know whether it has finished
recognising?

On 6/25/20, zahra <nasrinkhaksar3@...> wrote:
hello.
do you use windows ten?
if so, windows ten has internal ocr functionality that nvda developers
added support for it since nvda version 2017.3.
if you use any other windows version that has not internal ocr
capability, you should install ocr addon.

On 6/25/20, Aschalew Byness <gakidan.ashagre235@...> wrote:
Hi lovely guys
I always try to have nvda recognize image or scanned documents with
insert+r. I don't get any result though. but, in jaws, when I press
insert + space, o, c, I hear a kind of bip sound to let me know that
the recognition is in process. it also lets me know when it finishes
recognizing the document. I don't get the same in nvda although I
press insert +r. it is dead silence. does this nvda OCR recognition
really work.




--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali






Re: nvda ocr

Ralf Kefferpuetz
 

For me under Win10 2004 and before NVDA-R says Recognizing And then Result document
Make sure the object containing the content you want to be OCR'ed is in focus.

Cheers,
Ralf

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Aschalew Byness
Sent: Donnerstag, 25. Juni 2020 11:12
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda ocr

yeah, I am using windows 10 2004 version. when I try to recognize an image by pressing insert + r, there is nothing shown or heard. no bip sound, no spoken outcome whether it is recognizing. even when I press arrow keys, it simply says 'blank'. then How do I know whether it has started recognizing. How do I know whether it has finished recognising?

On 6/25/20, zahra <nasrinkhaksar3@...> wrote:
hello.
do you use windows ten?
if so, windows ten has internal ocr functionality that nvda developers
added support for it since nvda version 2017.3.
if you use any other windows version that has not internal ocr
capability, you should install ocr addon.

On 6/25/20, Aschalew Byness <gakidan.ashagre235@...> wrote:
Hi lovely guys
I always try to have nvda recognize image or scanned documents with
insert+r. I don't get any result though. but, in jaws, when I press
insert + space, o, c, I hear a kind of bip sound to let me know that
the recognition is in process. it also lets me know when it finishes
recognizing the document. I don't get the same in nvda although I
press insert +r. it is dead silence. does this nvda OCR recognition
really work.




--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali




Re: nvda ocr

Luke Davis
 

Can you please provide some more information about how you are giving the image to NVDA?

How do you get the image?
What program are you in when you try to perform the OCR?
What is NVDA saying, right before you press insert+r?

Luke

On Thu, 25 Jun 2020, Aschalew Byness wrote:

Hi lovely guys
I always try to have nvda recognize image or scanned documents with
insert+r. I don't get any result though. but, in jaws, when I press
insert + space, o, c, I hear a kind of bip sound to let me know that
the recognition is in process. it also lets me know when it finishes
recognizing the document. I don't get the same in nvda although I
press insert +r. it is dead silence. does this nvda OCR recognition
really work.



Figured out what was causing the error sound when invoking the select synth dialogue under NVDA 2020.2 beta versions

Jacob Kruger
 

I had the NV speech player add-on installed, and, now, when ran through disabling all non-essential add-ons, and then re-enabling them one at a time, this was the one that immediately started causing NVDA's error sound to occur when I hit NVDA + ctrl + S to bring up the select synthesizer dialogue.


When I then re-visited the following add-ons page, and, re-downloaded it, and, re-installed it, it didn't seem to be causing the issue anymore:

https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/nvSpeechPlayer.en.html


So, not sure if had an older version installed, or something else, but, just mentioning this here, in case.


Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"...resistance is futile...but, acceptance is versatile..."


Re: nvda ocr

Aschalew Byness
 

yeah, I am using windows 10 2004 version. when I try to recognize an
image by pressing insert + r, there is nothing shown or heard. no bip
sound, no spoken outcome whether it is recognizing. even when I press
arrow keys, it simply says 'blank'. then How do I know whether it has
started recognizing. How do I know whether it has finished
recognising?

On 6/25/20, zahra <nasrinkhaksar3@...> wrote:
hello.
do you use windows ten?
if so, windows ten has internal ocr functionality that nvda developers
added support for it since nvda version 2017.3.
if you use any other windows version that has not internal ocr
capability, you should install ocr addon.

On 6/25/20, Aschalew Byness <gakidan.ashagre235@...> wrote:
Hi lovely guys
I always try to have nvda recognize image or scanned documents with
insert+r. I don't get any result though. but, in jaws, when I press
insert + space, o, c, I hear a kind of bip sound to let me know that
the recognition is in process. it also lets me know when it finishes
recognizing the document. I don't get the same in nvda although I
press insert +r. it is dead silence. does this nvda OCR recognition
really work.




--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali




Re: nvda ocr

 

hello.
do you use windows ten?
if so, windows ten has internal ocr functionality that nvda developers
added support for it since nvda version 2017.3.
if you use any other windows version that has not internal ocr
capability, you should install ocr addon.

On 6/25/20, Aschalew Byness <gakidan.ashagre235@...> wrote:
Hi lovely guys
I always try to have nvda recognize image or scanned documents with
insert+r. I don't get any result though. but, in jaws, when I press
insert + space, o, c, I hear a kind of bip sound to let me know that
the recognition is in process. it also lets me know when it finishes
recognizing the document. I don't get the same in nvda although I
press insert +r. it is dead silence. does this nvda OCR recognition
really work.



--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali


nvda ocr

Aschalew Byness
 

Hi lovely guys
I always try to have nvda recognize image or scanned documents with
insert+r. I don't get any result though. but, in jaws, when I press
insert + space, o, c, I hear a kind of bip sound to let me know that
the recognition is in process. it also lets me know when it finishes
recognizing the document. I don't get the same in nvda although I
press insert +r. it is dead silence. does this nvda OCR recognition
really work.


In-Process is out and announcing the Big Beta Bug Bash!

Quentin Christensen
 

Hi everyone,

In This week's In-Process, the Big Beta Bug Bash (with shop vouchers!), details of NVDA 2020.2beta2, password managers to try and news of a new accessible card game! https://www.nvaccess.org/post/in-process-25th-june-2020/

Quentin.
--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager


Re: nvda add-on for internet download manager

Aschalew Byness
 

Pontes is a wonderful downloader. I liked it! thank you so much for
your recommendation. May I ask you if you can help me out what
'download multiple url' mean? I don't know what this means and how to
use it.

On 6/24/20, Robert Kingett <@blindjourno> wrote:
You're using the wrong program. Use Pontes Media Downloader.
http://www.pontes.ro/en/scripts/




Re: Crashes in Word and Outlook

Ian Blackburn
 

I get the same issues with Microsoft Word but not on each every computer
I get the problem on my Lenovo laptop but not on a desktop with the same apps installed in the same add-ons
That I’m using office 2010
On both machines


On 25 Jun 2020, at 8:36 am, Quentin Christensen <quentin@...> wrote:


As well as restarting with add-ons disabled, you might be interested in trying the new Beta.  We've made some improvements there in general, i'm not sure about your exact Outlook issue:  https://www.nvaccess.org/post/nvda-2020-2beta2/

If you can still replicate the issues with 2020.2 beta 2 and with add-ons disabled, if you could send us a log, at debug level, that would really help narrow down what is happening:

First of all, your NVDA key is either INSERT or CAPS LOCK, depending on how you have NVDA setup.  So, to set your log level:
1) Press NVDA+control+g to open the general settings
2) Press TAB until the focus is on ""Log level""
3) Press DOWN ARROW to get to ""Debug""
4) Press ENTER to close settings
5) Press NVDA+control+c to save settings.

To restart NVDA with add-ons disabled:
1) Press NVDA+Q
2) Down arrow to ""Restart with add-ons disabled""
3) Press ENTER

Next, recreate the issue - do whatever causes problems.

To get NVDA's log after that, there are several ways:

If NVDA is still running and usable:
1) Press NVDA+F1 to open the log viewer
2) Press CONTROL+A to select all.
3) Press CONTROL+C to copy.
4) Open your email and start a message to info@..., type a little about what you have done and what has happened in the body of the message, then leave a space and:
5) Press CONTROL+V to paste the copied log.

Instead of using the log viewer, or if NVDA has stopped and you needed to restart it or the computer:
1) Press WINDOWS+R to open Windows' Run dialog
2) Type %temp% and press ENTER (that's the percent sign, the letter t e m p and another percent sign).  Windows Explorer should open to the temporary folder.
3) Press TAB to move to the file list
4) Press N and move down to find up to three files:  nvda.log (the log file for the current or most recent NVDA session), nvda-old.og (the log from the previous session) and nvda-crash.dmp (a crash dump with more information created if NVDA itself crashes).
5) Depending on what email program you use, the steps will be different, but attach as many of those three files to an email to info@... as will be useful, and again in the body of the message describe a bit about what has happened."

On Thu, Jun 25, 2020 at 6:50 AM Ralf Kefferpuetz <ralf.kefferpuetz@...> wrote:
Hello,
Are you getting the same symptoms when starting NVDA without any addons?
And also please make sure you disable in NVDA settings/Advance Use UI Automation to access Microsoft Word document controls when available.


Cheers,
  Ralf

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Josh Miele
Sent: Mittwoch, 24. Juni 2020 21:07
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Crashes in Word and Outlook

Folks:


I'm new to this list, but I've been using NVDA as my exclusive Windows screen reader for about 8 years.


I'm in a new work environment where I practically live in outlook, and
I'm finding that I experience frequent freezes when composing emails,
particularly when highlighting or deleting. The screen reader goes
silent and doesn't come back, even if I wait a very long time.


The only way to recover is to go to the desktop with Windows+M and
restart NVDA with ctrl+alt+N. NVDA almost always restarts after a 20-30
second delay with an error sound concurrent with the NVDA startup sound.


When I return to Outlook the email I was composing is *sometimes* still
there, but it is frequently gon -- disappeared from the world without a
trace in Drafts or Trash.


This can happen as frequently as every few minutes, or sometimes goes
for hours without happening. I'm unable to pin it to any particular
situation or constellation of other concurrent activities.


I experience a similar problem in MS Word, also while highlighting or
deleting. Again, the file is sometimes there when I restart NVDA, but it
is just as likely to be recovered from the last time I saved it...


Needless to say, this is extremely frustrating and is terrible for my
productivity and mental well being.


I am using Version 2020.1, but this problem was present and even worse
in prior versions. In the current version I'm usually able to restart
NVDA from the desktop with the keyboard shortcut. In prior versions the
only way to recover was to restart my computer.


I have searched the web and the archive of this list to see if others
have experienced this, but I'm coming up mostly empty. From the issues
list on Github, it looks like this has happened to other folks in much
older versions, but it's marked as closed.


Any insights or help with this will be most gratefully appreciated.


Best!


--JAMM










--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager


Re: Crashes in Word and Outlook

Quentin Christensen
 

As well as restarting with add-ons disabled, you might be interested in trying the new Beta.  We've made some improvements there in general, i'm not sure about your exact Outlook issue:  https://www.nvaccess.org/post/nvda-2020-2beta2/

If you can still replicate the issues with 2020.2 beta 2 and with add-ons disabled, if you could send us a log, at debug level, that would really help narrow down what is happening:

First of all, your NVDA key is either INSERT or CAPS LOCK, depending on how you have NVDA setup.  So, to set your log level:
1) Press NVDA+control+g to open the general settings
2) Press TAB until the focus is on ""Log level""
3) Press DOWN ARROW to get to ""Debug""
4) Press ENTER to close settings
5) Press NVDA+control+c to save settings.

To restart NVDA with add-ons disabled:
1) Press NVDA+Q
2) Down arrow to ""Restart with add-ons disabled""
3) Press ENTER

Next, recreate the issue - do whatever causes problems.

To get NVDA's log after that, there are several ways:

If NVDA is still running and usable:
1) Press NVDA+F1 to open the log viewer
2) Press CONTROL+A to select all.
3) Press CONTROL+C to copy.
4) Open your email and start a message to info@..., type a little about what you have done and what has happened in the body of the message, then leave a space and:
5) Press CONTROL+V to paste the copied log.

Instead of using the log viewer, or if NVDA has stopped and you needed to restart it or the computer:
1) Press WINDOWS+R to open Windows' Run dialog
2) Type %temp% and press ENTER (that's the percent sign, the letter t e m p and another percent sign).  Windows Explorer should open to the temporary folder.
3) Press TAB to move to the file list
4) Press N and move down to find up to three files:  nvda.log (the log file for the current or most recent NVDA session), nvda-old.og (the log from the previous session) and nvda-crash.dmp (a crash dump with more information created if NVDA itself crashes).
5) Depending on what email program you use, the steps will be different, but attach as many of those three files to an email to info@... as will be useful, and again in the body of the message describe a bit about what has happened."


On Thu, Jun 25, 2020 at 6:50 AM Ralf Kefferpuetz <ralf.kefferpuetz@...> wrote:
Hello,
Are you getting the same symptoms when starting NVDA without any addons?
And also please make sure you disable in NVDA settings/Advance Use UI Automation to access Microsoft Word document controls when available.


Cheers,
  Ralf

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Josh Miele
Sent: Mittwoch, 24. Juni 2020 21:07
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Crashes in Word and Outlook

Folks:


I'm new to this list, but I've been using NVDA as my exclusive Windows screen reader for about 8 years.


I'm in a new work environment where I practically live in outlook, and
I'm finding that I experience frequent freezes when composing emails,
particularly when highlighting or deleting. The screen reader goes
silent and doesn't come back, even if I wait a very long time.


The only way to recover is to go to the desktop with Windows+M and
restart NVDA with ctrl+alt+N. NVDA almost always restarts after a 20-30
second delay with an error sound concurrent with the NVDA startup sound.


When I return to Outlook the email I was composing is *sometimes* still
there, but it is frequently gon -- disappeared from the world without a
trace in Drafts or Trash.


This can happen as frequently as every few minutes, or sometimes goes
for hours without happening. I'm unable to pin it to any particular
situation or constellation of other concurrent activities.


I experience a similar problem in MS Word, also while highlighting or
deleting. Again, the file is sometimes there when I restart NVDA, but it
is just as likely to be recovered from the last time I saved it...


Needless to say, this is extremely frustrating and is terrible for my
productivity and mental well being.


I am using Version 2020.1, but this problem was present and even worse
in prior versions. In the current version I'm usually able to restart
NVDA from the desktop with the keyboard shortcut. In prior versions the
only way to recover was to restart my computer.


I have searched the web and the archive of this list to see if others
have experienced this, but I'm coming up mostly empty. From the issues
list on Github, it looks like this has happened to other folks in much
older versions, but it's marked as closed.


Any insights or help with this will be most gratefully appreciated.


Best!


--JAMM










--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager


Re: speaking commands

Quentin Christensen
 

I'd reiterate again that the best place for these suggestions is the GitHub issue: https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/6553 - conversation here is important for fleshing out these ideas, but issues like the one I linked to, are what changes to the code will be based on, so please do reiterate the ideas agreed upon here in that issue so they don't get lost.

Quentin.

On Thu, Jun 25, 2020 at 5:04 AM Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
JAWS has the same sort of abilities working in What it calls frames.  If you
issue a defined command in a frame, you can designate that all sorts of
actions follow and the order in which they occur.

I have never seen an explanation of why NVDA doesn't have such a system.
There may be technical reasons but NVDA will never meet many users' needs as
well as JAWS unless it has the ability for user definable functions of this
sort.

There are many times when more advanced users or those working with users
need to define such behaviors and can't.  While NVDA meets a lot of users'
needs now, this is a serious deficiency.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Jonathan COHN
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2020 10:02 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] speaking commands



That was a nice feature of WindowEyes, one could create side effects for
keys bound to a function, so that either prior to or after the primary
function ran, other events could occur including speaking or routing focus
to the best place. This was a menu driven type system, that required no
programming skills to implement.







From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Date: Wednesday, June 24, 2020 at 10:19 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] speaking commands



External email alert: Be wary of links & attachments.



And, it is not so difficult to implement my suggestion:

1 - Typable keys, including letters, numbers, accents, like accut, grabv,
tilde, circunflex, diaresis and so on, and enter;

2 - Arrow keys;

3 - Command keys, all other keys.



After that, close all tickets about this.

If after that, someone reopens or create new tickets, the solution can be
evaluated again...



Rui Fontes

NVDA portuguese team







Às 15:05 de 24/06/2020, David Griffith escreveu:





I agree absolutely – it never made any sense at all to me that people who
needed assistance with locating control keys would inevitably also have
similar problems locating and using the routine cursor keys.

It seemed a bizarre design assumption from the  first to compel noisy
feedback from every push of a cursor key if you wanted to  avail yourself of
reassurance with the use of a control key like alt or control etc.

David Griffith

David Griffith





Sent from Mail for Windows 10





From: Rui Fontes
Sent: 24 June 2020 01:28
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] speaking commands





Hello!



Have you seen the implementation made by paulber in his add-on
NVDAExtensionGlobalPlugin?



I have already gave suggestions in this issue.

Reading the issue, most people agree that arrow keys should be treated
differently from other command keys...



And one of my suggestions have benn backed up by two or three other
participants in the issue...



Regards,



Rui Fontes

NVDA portuguese team



Rui Fontes

NVDA portuguese team







Às 00:17 de 24/06/2020, Quentin Christensen escreveu:



Rui,







There has been discussion on this:
https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/6553







Much of the issue is that everyone has different ideas on the best way
forward for this.  If anyone has new ideas, then do, please comment on that
issue.







Quentin.







On Tue, Jun 23, 2020 at 9:12 PM Rui Fontes <rui.fontes@...>
wrote:



Quentin, have you already tried to work with NVDA in those conditions?



NVDA needs, urgently, a way to filter some keypresses from being
announced...



See issues #5484, #5608 and many more..



Rui Fontes







Às 04:34 de 23/06/2020, Quentin Christensen escreveu:



If you press NVDA+4, or toggle "Speak command keys" in NVDA's keyboard
settings, it will speak keys such as ENTER or CONTROL+S.







NVDA doesn't automatically know that CONTROL+S is save, so it generally
won't automatically announce that, however if the keystroke brings up
something like a save dialog, then that would be announced (for instance the
first time you press control+s in a new document in Word).







Not directly related to control+s, but there is a "clipspeak" add-on which
will report the functions of some keys such as control+c (Copy) and
control+v (paste) where they perform those functions:
https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/clipspeak.en.html







Kind regards







Quentin.







On Tue, Jun 23, 2020 at 12:17 PM Grant Metcalf <the.gems@...> wrote:



I am hoping that sometime soon the NVDA developers will have NVDA speak
commands such as “control-save”. I am always in doubt if I have been able to
save the file I am working on. Mostly I use the text editor Notepad and very
occasionally Wordpad for “RTF” files. Granpa DOS would appreciate all
efforts the developers would exert toward making the very basic commands
speak!



Cordially yours.







Listening for HIS shout!



Grant Metcalf















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