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Re: Reading web pages

Gene
 

Open the document formatting dialog with control NVDA key d. 
Tab through the items, and check or uncheck anything you want with the space bar.  Then activate the ok button.
 
Remember that you will automatically save settings if you exit the program.  That is the default behavior.  To return to the previous settings and not accidentally save them, use control NVDA key r when you are finished using the changed settings at any time before closing the program.  But if you wait, you may forget and close the program without doing so.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2018 11:05 AM
Subject: [nvda] Reading web pages

Is it possible to get NVDA to read web pages as simple text without saying 'Link' each time it hits a link?. Wikipedia pages have many links in the text and it would be good to hear it read without keep hearing the word 'Link'


Re: Reading web pages

 

Mark,

        There are ways to make the screen reader (regardless of which one) do this, but I have found that if you're using either Firefox or Chrome the Read Aloud Add-On/Extension does an incredibly good job of this, better than the screen readers in fact.  I also like that you can have a distinctive voice for Read Aloud so that you know whether it's the screen reader or Read Aloud that's reading.

         The only disadvantage is that you do have to remember to hit ALT+O to shut up Read Aloud before you leave a page that it's reading.  If you don't, it's already buffered it and it will keep on reading even after you've left the page.

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Re: Reading web pages

John Isige
 

Yes. You want document formatting under settings, there are check boxes for what gets reported, and links is one of them. There are also headings and a number of other things. You can turn all of them off.

On 7/28/2018 11:05, Mark Reynolds wrote:

Is it possible to get NVDA to read web pages as simple text without saying 'Link' each time it hits a link?. Wikipedia pages have many links in the text and it would be good to hear it read without keep hearing the word 'Link'


Reading web pages

Mark Reynolds
 

Is it possible to get NVDA to read web pages as simple text without saying 'Link' each time it hits a link?. Wikipedia pages have many links in the text and it would be good to hear it read without keep hearing the word 'Link'


Re: Amazon.com "Cart" page with JAWS & NVDA

Gene
 

One more message in this thread from me.  I wasn't going to write any more in this thread but after trying the links list again, I see more serious disadvantages of it and I think they should be addressed. 
 
Those interested in the topic may find useful information as well.  In addition, since NVDA volunteers create instructional material, the following may contribute to better material. 
 
Now, let's consider the disadvantages I spoke of. 
 
First, you may have to select the structure you want to look for.  Let's take the Google page for an example.  If you were on a different page the last time and were searching through links, this time, on Google, you first have to select headings as the structure you want to search through.  So we are already at two extra and completely unnecessary steps.
 
One, open the links list.  Two, select headings as the structure you want to use which requires shift tabbing once and down arrowing once, then tabbing back to the list.  So that is actually three completely unnecessary steps. 
Now, you down arrow through the headings.  When you find a result you want to know more about before going to the actual page the heading/link leads to, you do the following:
You have to use the move to command, alt m.  This moves you to the heading/link and you are now returned to the web page.  You now can down arrow through the information about the result or read it as you wish.  As I said you are back on the web page.  The headings list doesn't move you to the heading as you move through the list.  You have to move to the heading.  So this is yet another completely unnecessary step. 
 
If you just want to follow the link without looking at any additionall information, you do alt m, then enter.  Either way, you execute the alt m command, a completely unnecessary command, as I said.
 
So let's review.  You want to look through results on Google.  You do a search for a topic.
You open the links list.  If you used it as a links list last time, you shift tab once, down arrow once to set it to headings, tab once, and start down arrowing through the headings.  Google results are links that are shown as both headings and links.  Once you get to one you want to follow, you have to issue the command alt m, then press enter.  Or, if you want to see the additional information for the result to help you decide if you want to follow the link, its alt m then read the results.
 
Now, consider the alternative.
Go to Google, do a search and when the results page comes up do the following:
Type the letter h repeatedly.  That command moves you through the headings exactly as you would move if you were using the headings list but you don't have to issue an unnecessary command and take one or both hands off the main keyboard to issue the NVDA f7 command to open the list.  Nor do you do any of the other unnecessary steps I outlined above. 
All you do is type the letter h repeatedly.  When you get to a heading you want to see aditional information about, you just read the information, which is right under where you are. 
Or you just press enter to follow the link.
So do search, type h until you get to a heading that interests you, and either read the results or just press enter.  That description was very short because all those unnecessary steps were eliminated. 
 
Since h moves through headings exactly as the headings list does, where is the advantage to the list?
Since the letter k allows you to move from link to link without leaving the page and you move from link to link, exactly as you do in the links list, where is the advantage of the links list? 
 
You accused me of making a mountain out of a molehill.  Really?  When there are the kinds of important differences I've outlined?  And you accuse me of being rigid.  I have presented a factual, detailed discussion supporting my argument. 
 
If people want to use these lists, they may, of course, do what they want.  But because I make a strong case for what I consider to be best practices and best teaching practices, that does not make me dictatorial or rigid.  I'm not forcing anyone to do anything.  But I am presenting a detailed, reasoned argument which I consider to be very strong.
 
I've observed the kinds of problems a lot of blind people have using the Internet for years.  I've done a little advising and teaching.  I've seen that one of the crucially important things to teach is the importance of context, to not just open a web page and read every page from the top, nor to tab through it and that's all, but rather to work with a page in a way to accomplish what you want to accomplish.  What you do on a page may differ considerably depending on what you are doing, whether it is a familiar page or not, and what is on the page.  There may be pages where you start from the top and read some or all the page.  there may be pages where you use the find command, find something like a link and follow it.  There are pages where you might do other things.  But a lot of people do things like just tab through a page or just start reading or don't look effectively for what they want to find on a page if they know in advance what it is.  And they don't change what they do, they treat pages in the same way. 
 
The links list reinforces all the undesirable predispositions I've observed that I consider essential for good instruction to dispel and guard against.  Note carefully that I didn't say people shouldn't be taught the links list.  Nor did I say they shouldn't use it.  I said that people should not be taught the links list until after they have fully mastered web page navigation and how to decide how to work with a web page, depending on what kind of page it is and what they want to do on the page. If the links list is studied before that time, it reinforces all the wrong habits students may have adopted in the past or may be tempted to adopt before they have learned why they are bad habits.  The idea of the links list is sudductive.  When I first heard about it, while I was still learning page navigation, it sounded wonderful.  But as I learned, I realized how pernicious it is to teach it before the student is ready to learn it without detrimental effect.
 
Of course, if a student doesn't learn well using techniques and approaches I generally teach, I would use other approaches and methods.  I am discussing what I consider to be best practices for most students. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Friday, July 27, 2018 5:44 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Amazon.com "Cart" page with JAWS & NVDA

It may be that I don't understand how sighted people see web pages but it is certainly different than the way a blind person encounters it. 
 
I don't know if I'm making a mountain out of a molehill.  And I don't think your characterization is correct about my having a tendency to do so.
 
I fail to see why you are so defensive and hostile on this subject.  I'm making two or three main points and your messages support them even though you are at least to an extent, arguing against them.
 
The thread began with you explaining a difficulty you are having with increasing numbers of web sites where a structure appears visually as one thing and to the screen-reader as something else.  You discussed how you had problems using one of the screen-reader lists to move through the cart in part because a structure appears different visually than it appears to a screen-reader and you were using the links list so the structure was not seen. 
 
My point is that if you don't use the links list, but use the methods I discussed, the search command, or tabbing through the cart, you won't have the problem.  and you won't have it on other sites.  Your own message argues for what I am saying.
 
I explained my strong view that the links list shouldn’t' be used on unfamiliar pages.
I said it detracts from effective teaching because it uses completely artificial constructs and removes the user from the page.  And I said that it shouldn't be taught until the student has thoroughly mastered navigation using the web page itself.
 
To this, and to my concrete examples and very specific arguments, you wrote a quarrelsome, almost attack that maybe some day it will occur to me that there are other ways of doing things than mine.  That is completely beside the point and irrelevant.  I made a very good case for my views and why I think they are by far best practices.  Attacking me and accusing me of rigidity won't win the argument.  You haven't given any specific counterexamples or arguments against what I said except that different people are different.  That has nothing to do with best practices.  If you don't generalize about best practices and try to account for exceptions that don't represent the general, how can you teach anything? 
 
I've done a little teaching.  If the person had problems understanding or working in the way I think is the best practice to teach, I would use other methods. 
 
And I didn't prescribe or say that people have to use this or that method.  I discussed using the find command, move by headings, skip blocks of links commands, and move by button.  Hardly rigid.  I'm giving different ways of movement that one may use depending on circumstances and page layout and on how you want to work with the page.  I also said specifically that if you want to know a lot about what is on a page, you may want to read some or all of the page.
 
I discussed the mouse because you attacked me as being rigid and dictatorial.  I didn't do so as an attack, however,  And you don't have to apologize for anything.  But it is certainly the case that a sighted person may approach something In not necessarily the best manner for a blind person to learn because of thinking of things as perceived in the sighted way.  I didn't say you generally do this.  It doesn't appear to me that you do.  And I am not discounting the value of getting sighted help when useful or important.  But my point still stands.
 
But based on twenty years of Internet use, thinking about what works well and what doesn't, and observing the kinds of problems many blind people have using the Internet, I dispute the amount of emphasis you seem to place on use of the mouse to get a picture of the web page. 
 
If you are interested, I will discuss what I consider the most effective way to give blind people an understanding of the way a sighted person sees a web page layout as compared with a blind person, using browse mode which reformats the page.  
 
Your tone has been increasingly hostile and dismissive.  If you want to answer, I'll give you the last word.  I've pretty much said everything I have to say and you may have a response.  I think people pretty well have decided what they think of our differences so I won't keep arguing various points.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, July 27, 2018 3:44 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Amazon.com "Cart" page with JAWS & NVDA

Gene,

           No one is better at making a mountain out of a molehill than you are.

           You really need to consider "how you read," as it's clear to me that I am far from alone in my perception of your both your tone and the scope of your comments.

           As to my taking on "the sighted way" well, of course I do.  We are all the products of our sensory palettes.  I could no sooner pretend to understand what it is to be blind as a perceptual world than I could to pretend to understand what it is to be deaf, unable to taste or smell, or lacking touch or proprioception.  I am what I am, and I make no apology for that.  I also find your explanation of how you look at a webpage utterly alien to my own experience even when I'm looking at parts rather than the whole.  I tend to look at classes of objects because most webpages are presented arranged by such and, up until very recently, one could count on object types having very distinct visual presentations.  That's how most of them came to have their names, e.g, a button on screen looks like a button on a physical object (or at least it did until the recent flat look became all the rage, now it looks like a rectangle filled in by color and a label when it's done conventionally).  It is bad, bad, bad design to mask one object as though it were another.  It violates every rule in the book.
--

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    A little kindness from person to person is better than a vast love for all humankind.

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Re: Using NVDA on XP?

 

Hi,

Run happily: fully supported and will run. In this context, later versions of NVDA will refuse to run on XP.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Howard Traxler
Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2018 9:04 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Using NVDA on XP?

 

run happily?  Does that mean later versions will run, but not very happily?

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Joseph Lee

Sent: Friday, July 27, 2018 9:03 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Using NVDA on XP?

 

Hi,

The latest version that’ll run happily on Windows XP is 2017.3.

Cheers,

Jsoeph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of James Bentley
Sent: Friday, July 27, 2018 7:02 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Using NVDA on XP?

 

Hi all,

 

I have a friend who is interested in using NVDA on a computer running XP.

 

Can he just down load the latest NVDA or should he try for an earlier version.  If so, which version?

 

Many thanks,

 

James B

 

 


Re: Using NVDA on XP?

Howard Traxler <howard@...>
 

run happily?  Does that mean later versions will run, but not very happily?
 

----- Original Message -----
From: Joseph Lee
Sent: Friday, July 27, 2018 9:03 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Using NVDA on XP?

Hi,

The latest version that’ll run happily on Windows XP is 2017.3.

Cheers,

Jsoeph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of James Bentley
Sent: Friday, July 27, 2018 7:02 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Using NVDA on XP?

 

Hi all,

 

I have a friend who is interested in using NVDA on a computer running XP.

 

Can he just down load the latest NVDA or should he try for an earlier version.  If so, which version?

 

Many thanks,

 

James B

 

 


Re: NVDA Goes Silent In Dialogue on Websites

Tyler Wood
 

I don't think it is for me, if I'm honest.

I can honestly say that even older machines, one in particular that is running an old core 2 duo, seem to be doing even better since the upgrade.

It isn't night and day, but the difference is certainly noticeable. Add to this windows 10 doesn't have an end support date and you can add life to an old pc that it otherwise wouldn't have, including security updates and the like.

On 28-Jul-2018 4:21 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
I think getting windows 10 is debatable, though of course in the long run vendors will increasing add more bells and whistles to software  that work best in 10.
I'm using 7, and do not think I'll change on this machine and get another cheapo one to play with 10 on when funds are there.


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----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian K. Lingard" <bkl@ncf.ca>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2018 2:40 AM
Subject: Re: [NVDA] NVDA Goes Silent In Dialogue on Websites


Dear David & List:

A button is activated by pressing the space bar to press it.

A link is activated by pressing enter on it or the left-hand mouse button.

Recommend you update your NVDA to the latest version supported by win 7.

Consider upgrading to Win 10. No announced end date for support.
Briam


From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
David Russell
Sent: Friday, July 27, 2018 11:43 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [NVDA] NVDA Goes Silent in Dialogue on Websites

Hello Members,

I believe I am using a 2016 version of NVDA with my windows seven
Computer, and will upgrade when purchasing a new computer in 2020.
That being said, can someone explain the reason NVDA goes silent when I
press enter on a given website, and I enter a link called Dialogue.
Arrow keys (up down) or tab keys do not result in any screen info being read.
Just blank blank blank

One such example is the Tax Information link at Amazon, required by authors
To complete when establishing or updating an existing account.

I notice too, some websites are using the word 'button' instead of 'link' to
identify key places. What is the difference?

Thank you for your help.

--
David Russell
david.sonofhashem@gmail.com





Re: MS Onenote

Felix G.
 

Hi,
for sharing folders and files between users and devices, I recommend using Dropbox, Google Drive or a similar cloud-based storage service.
Best,
Felix

Dan Beaver <dbeaver888@...> schrieb am Sa., 28. Juli 2018 um 15:00 Uhr:

Quinton,


I am just beginning to learn what it is and how to use it.  It was recommended to me by a friend.  We want to use a tool that will let us access certain files from our phones and from our computers at all times and we were told OneNote will let us do this.


Thanks.


Dan Beaver


On 7/28/2018 12:49 AM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
There are several versions of OneNote.  In Windows 10 they appear as "OneNote 2016 (Desktop app)" and the other simply "OneNote", which is the UWP version.

I haven't used them in awhile, but from memory the desktop version was better last I looked.

Are you familiar with what OneNote is and how to use it (conceptually I mean, rather than which specific keys though obviously that's important too!)?

Regards

Quentin.

On Sat, Jul 28, 2018 at 3:02 AM, Dan Beaver <dbeaver888@...> wrote:

How do we use Onenote with NVDA? Some of it seems accessible but some parts do not seem to speak.


This is under Windows 10 latest update with NVDA latest master.


Thanks.


Dan Beaver




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Re: MS Onenote

Dan Beaver
 

Quinton,


I am just beginning to learn what it is and how to use it.  It was recommended to me by a friend.  We want to use a tool that will let us access certain files from our phones and from our computers at all times and we were told OneNote will let us do this.


Thanks.


Dan Beaver


On 7/28/2018 12:49 AM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
There are several versions of OneNote.  In Windows 10 they appear as "OneNote 2016 (Desktop app)" and the other simply "OneNote", which is the UWP version.

I haven't used them in awhile, but from memory the desktop version was better last I looked.

Are you familiar with what OneNote is and how to use it (conceptually I mean, rather than which specific keys though obviously that's important too!)?

Regards

Quentin.

On Sat, Jul 28, 2018 at 3:02 AM, Dan Beaver <dbeaver888@...> wrote:

How do we use Onenote with NVDA? Some of it seems accessible but some parts do not seem to speak.


This is under Windows 10 latest update with NVDA latest master.


Thanks.


Dan Beaver




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Re: Using NVDA on XP?

James Bentley <bentleyj1952@...>
 

Thank you Quentin and Joeseph,
 
I’ll get this info to my friend right away. I am curious as to how well he likes NVDA on XP.
 
Concerning NVDA and windows 7, I tried to fill out an insurance form yesterday using Jaws.  Jaws did not recognize my imput on part of the form.  Hmmm, useless on that particular site in both IE and Chrome.  I cranked up NVDA just to try it.  I had the form filled out with Chrome in ten minutes.  Kind of strange how that worked out.
 
Cheers,
 
James
 
 

Sent: Friday, July 27, 2018 11:52 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Using NVDA on XP?
 
Hi James,
 
As Joseph noted, the last version of NVDA that works on Windows XP is NVDA 2017.3.  The download for that version is: https://www.nvaccess.org/files/nvda/releases/2017.3/nvda_2017.3.exe
 
Kind regards
 
Quentin.
 
On Sat, Jul 28, 2018 at 12:03 PM, Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@...> wrote:

Hi,

The latest version that’ll run happily on Windows XP is 2017.3.

Cheers,

Jsoeph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of James Bentley
Sent: Friday, July 27, 2018 7:02 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Using NVDA on XP?

 

Hi all,

 

I have a friend who is interested in using NVDA on a computer running XP.

 

Can he just down load the latest NVDA or should he try for an earlier version.  If so, which version?

 

Many thanks,

 

James B

 

 



 
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Training and Support Manager

Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess


Doing mathematics

Akshaya Choudhary
 

 How do you guys do mathematics?  Do you use some software or some physical instrument like abacus? I will be appearing for a management entrance exam in December. I will be required to solve high school level mathematical problems as soon as possible. I had learnt math when I had partial vision with normal pen and paper, then i switched to humanities, and now I intend to go the management route. For this I will be required to do mathematics again. Please suggest me any possible solutions. It is a competitive exam, so speed and accuracy both matters. 

Regards,
Sociohack


Re: User configuration directory

Felix G.
 

Hi!
For an installed NVDA, what I do is press Windows+R to bring up the Run dialog, then type %appdata%\NVDA which will take me to NVDA's user config.
Best,
Felix

Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io <bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io> schrieb am Sa., 28. Juli 2018 um 11:17 Uhr:

Ah well one of the first things I do after getting a new machine is make all
files visible to my account and set myself as admin. Also where possible set
all folders to the same list view, increasingly hard in 10, and I also make
sure it can open explorer windows in a new process so I can see how a I got
to where I am with alt tab. its no hassle with plenty of ram after all.

Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Joseph Lee" <joseph.lee22590@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, July 27, 2018 11:47 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] User configuration directory


Hi,

I think there is a bigger problem here: the folder name doesn’t matter; what
matters is if show hidden files and folders is turned on.

Cheers,

Joseph



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Adriani Botez
Sent: Friday, July 27, 2018 2:59 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] User configuration directory



On the installed copy the folder is called systemconfig. Only in portable
copies the foldeer is called Userconfig.



Best

Adriani

Von meinem iPhone gesendet


Am 27.07.2018 um 23:21 schrieb Tage Johansson <frans.tage@...
<mailto:frans.tage@...> >:

Hello!
Does anyone know where the NVDA user config directory usually is located. I
tried to click on the item in the start menu, but it seams to be an empty
file instead of a directory.
Thanks in advance!
Tage











Re: can't put the mail app on muy desktop

Chris
 

Try this

 

Open run dialog Windows+R

Type this exactly

 

Shell:appsfolder

 

And hit ok

 

This will open a explorer window

 

From the list of items select the mail icon

Then right click or application key or whatever way you do a right click

And from the menu select create shortcut

It will tell you cant create a shortcut here but do you want to create a desktop shortcut instead?

Choose yes

Then close the window and you are done

 

 

 

From: Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: 28 July 2018 06:57
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] can't put the mail app on muy desktop

 

Hi, everyone,

 

I just switched to the mail app but now I can’t put it on my desktop. I tried everything I know to do but nothing has worked. I don’t want to have to keep hitting the windows key and typing “mail” every time I want to go to the mail app. What could I be doing wrong?

 

Thanks for your help in advance.

 

Rosemarie

 

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

 


Re: can't put the mail app on muy desktop

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

Oh what fun, If I were a programmer I'd create a new app called Thingy!
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----- Original Message -----
From: "John Isige" <gwynn@tds.net>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2018 9:10 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] can't put the mail app on muy desktop


I'm going to give this example with Mail, but this will work for any
app, like the Windows 10 version of Skype, for example. Also, I don't
use Mail so I don't know if it's just called Mail or Windows Mail or
Microsoft Mail or what, so just replace "Mail" with whatever it's
actually called.


1. Hit the Windows key.


2. Type mail.


3. When it shows mail, don't hit enter on it, right click it with the
applications key or shift-F10.


4. Pick "pin to taskbar".


5. Hit escape to get out of start.


6. Hit Windows-m to go to the desktop, and tab until you hear "running
applications tool bar", mine starts with a button for Edge but yours
might be different.


7. Arrow right or left until you hear "mail button".


8. Right click on mail and arrow to "create shortcut". Hit enter on that.


9. It will say it can't create a shortcut there, do you want to send it
to the desktop? Say yes, obviously.


10. You'll have a thing on your desktop named "Mail Shortcut". If you
want to rename it to just "Mail", hit F2 or right click and pick rename.


11. Finally, if you want to take Mail off of your taskbar, repeat steps
6-8, but instead of picking "create shortcut", pick, wait for it, "unpin
from taskbar".


There you go. There's a shorter way to do this using the command line
somebody posted a while back, but I have no idea what the command is
because it seemed pretty complicated. This is fairly easy to remember
and it works for pretty much anything, as far as I can tell. I broke it
down into a lot of steps so it would be easier to understand, but
basically you find thingy, right click and pick pin to taskbar, find
thingy on your taskbar, right click and pick create shortcut and answer
the obvious question, and you're done, thingy is now on your desktop. If
you want to do some cleanup, unpin thingy from your taskbar and rename
the desktop from "thingy shortcut" to "thingy". That's about six steps
really, find it, pin it, find it on taskbar, create shortcut, unpin
shortcut, and rename shortcut.


Also, you can just go right to the taskbar because Mail is on there by
default, so you can either run it from the taskbar all the time, or just
right click and create the shortcut. I don't know if you can unpin it,
since you didn't put it there in the first place. But like I said, this
works for anything you can find from the start thingy like that, so
hopefully that will help more generally.


On 7/28/2018 0:57, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:

Hi, everyone,

I just switched to the mail app but now I can’t put it on my desktop.
I tried everything I know to do but nothing has worked. I don’t want
to have to keep hitting the windows key and typing “mail” every time I
want to go to the mail app. What could I be doing wrong?

Thanks for your help in advance.

Rosemarie

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Re: thunderbird is very sluggish

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Is your preview pane by any chance active again?

Also, what was happening before it started to act up, might be worth taking the machine back to then.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Rosemarie Chavarria" <knitqueen2007@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2018 7:28 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] thunderbird is very sluggish


I did unload and reload NVDA but that didn’t help. I’ll try rebooting and see if that helps. Right now I’m using the mail app to write this message.

Rosemarie



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From: Gene
Sent: Friday, July 27, 2018 11:25 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] thunderbird is very sluggish

Ass usual, did you unload and run NVDA again? If that didn't help, did you reboot?

Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: Friday, July 27, 2018 10:15 PM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] thunderbird is very sluggish

Hi, everyone,


I don't know what's going on but there seems to be something wrong with
thunderbird or NVDA. The speech is very sluggish. Is there a remmody for
this?


Thanks for your help in advance.


Rosemarie


Re: Easy Table add-on

Akshaya Choudhary
 

Thank you Joseph! And, many thanks for creating such useful addons.
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Sociohack


Re: NVDA Goes Silent In Dialogue on Websites

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I think getting windows 10 is debatable, though of course in the long run vendors will increasing add more bells and whistles to software that work best in 10.
I'm using 7, and do not think I'll change on this machine and get another cheapo one to play with 10 on when funds are there.


Brian

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From: "Brian K. Lingard" <bkl@ncf.ca>
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Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2018 2:40 AM
Subject: Re: [NVDA] NVDA Goes Silent In Dialogue on Websites


Dear David & List:

A button is activated by pressing the space bar to press it.

A link is activated by pressing enter on it or the left-hand mouse button.

Recommend you update your NVDA to the latest version supported by win 7.

Consider upgrading to Win 10. No announced end date for support.
Briam


From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
David Russell
Sent: Friday, July 27, 2018 11:43 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [NVDA] NVDA Goes Silent in Dialogue on Websites

Hello Members,

I believe I am using a 2016 version of NVDA with my windows seven
Computer, and will upgrade when purchasing a new computer in 2020.
That being said, can someone explain the reason NVDA goes silent when I
press enter on a given website, and I enter a link called Dialogue.
Arrow keys (up down) or tab keys do not result in any screen info being read.
Just blank blank blank

One such example is the Tax Information link at Amazon, required by authors
To complete when establishing or updating an existing account.

I notice too, some websites are using the word 'button' instead of 'link' to
identify key places. What is the difference?

Thank you for your help.

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david.sonofhashem@gmail.com


Re: User configuration directory

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Ah well one of the first things I do after getting a new machine is make all files visible to my account and set myself as admin. Also where possible set all folders to the same list view, increasingly hard in 10, and I also make sure it can open explorer windows in a new process so I can see how a I got to where I am with alt tab. its no hassle with plenty of ram after all.

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Sent: Friday, July 27, 2018 11:47 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] User configuration directory


Hi,

I think there is a bigger problem here: the folder name doesn’t matter; what matters is if show hidden files and folders is turned on.

Cheers,

Joseph



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Adriani Botez
Sent: Friday, July 27, 2018 2:59 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] User configuration directory



On the installed copy the folder is called systemconfig. Only in portable copies the foldeer is called Userconfig.



Best

Adriani

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Am 27.07.2018 um 23:21 schrieb Tage Johansson <frans.tage@gmail.com <mailto:frans.tage@gmail.com> >:

Hello!
Does anyone know where the NVDA user config directory usually is located. I tried to click on the item in the start menu, but it seams to be an empty file instead of a directory.
Thanks in advance!
Tage


Re: User configuration directory

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Yes you will not the warning when you try to use the config on liog in and this is because one copies into the other, including add ons so if any might be insecure you are warned.
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Sent: Friday, July 27, 2018 11:41 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] User configuration directory


Don't think so. I just checked and I find an item on my installed copy
saying explore user config. It's just in a different place. It's in app
data under nvda but portable copy has user config in the nvda directory
itself.

Roger









On 7/27/2018 4:58 PM, Adriani Botez wrote:
On the installed copy the folder is called systemconfig. Only in
portable copies the foldeer is called Userconfig.

Best
Adriani

Von meinem iPhone gesendet

Am 27.07.2018 um 23:21 schrieb Tage Johansson <frans.tage@gmail.com
<mailto:frans.tage@gmail.com>>:

Hello!
Does anyone know where the NVDA user config directory usually is
located. I tried to click on the item in the start menu, but it seams
to be an empty file instead of a directory.
Thanks in advance!
Tage