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Re: Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 -

Eleni Vamvakari
 

It doesn't matter to me if something is popular, as long as it's
accessible. Those who truly wish to talk to me have already said that
they would use what works for me. I'm not going to use something that
works horribly to please everyone else. I don't need stereo
recording, as long as the sound is clear. I usually avoid echo
cancellation and noise suppression, as I prefer omnidirectional
microphones which capture everything,a and which have a good, full
sound. I'm used to everything from records to mp3s at no more than
128kbps and sometimes less, so I don't need the highest sound quality.
But I know that I have to use a feature on Teamtalk to prevent it from
being extremely loud or distorting sound. How accessible is Google?
I, too, would be interested in trying whatsapp, but I don't know how
well the web version works with NVDA. I tried Messenger but although
I got it to work, I was not pleased with the interface.

I, too, enjoy filt ransferring. I hate dealing with Windows Explorer
in Windows 7, but in XP, it works wonderfully. This is one feature
that I wish existed in NVDA Remote, but I know it wasn't designed for
that purpose. I think Teamtalk supports file transfer.

What is the difference between TeamTalk and Team Speak?

I don't own or want a smart phone, as I hate touchscreens, but I do
use a hotspot with my computers at times. Still, I wouldn't use it
for talking, as it uses a lot of data.

On 16/07/2018, Tyler Wood <tcwood12@gmail.com> wrote:
Lol.

I remember 3.8 had 8 k audio all the time. It has been forever since
quality has gone that low on skype for me *since* Microsoft bought it.

Go mobile, even on relatively good LTE, and team talk audio is so bad
you can't use it. It takes nothing to make you break up whereas team
speak has such a huge buffer you could probably talk in a stereo channel
on satellite. Very latent, but doable. I have played around with the
transmit interval on team talk to no avail.

I use zoom for work, but have yet to be mobile with it so am curious on
how it will handle that. I have a lot of rural areas that get excellent
HSPA coverage which should be more than enough for any audio
communication, yet team talk struggles like crazy. Frustrating.




On 16-Jul-2018 2:15 PM, Lino Morales wrote:

Well I use Skype and TT on my PC not in a mobile environment due to a
Android phone that has 8 GB of memory. I do 99.9 percent of my stuff
on said PC with a 200 MBPS download speed on my Spectrum connection.
Skype technologies SA should never should have sold their souls to the
devil AKA MS. V 4.X had great audio. MS broke it.

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*From:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of Tyler
Wood <tcwood12@gmail.com>
*Sent:* Monday, July 16, 2018 3:12:13 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 -
Maybe it is for you. Not everyone needs high quality audio for voice
communication, using tons of mobile internet that they don't have. I
have used zoom, and I see absolutely 0 difference in audio quality.
Mostly because of internal microphones with noise suppression enabled.



On 16-Jul-2018 1:46 PM, Lino Morales wrote:

If I were a podcaster I’d use Zoom or TT. Sorry, but I standby what I
said. The audio is crap.

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k Alawami <marrie12@gmail.com>
*Sent:* Monday, July 16, 2018 2:44:27 PM
*To:* Nvda List
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September
1 -
The audio quality is fine. It’s not zoom quality but I can understand
what’s beeing said, and if I can do my job still Ill take it. I am
actually loving skype and I do use it on my vodcasts.

On Jul 16, 2018, at 11:38 AM, Lino Morales <linomorales001@gmail.com
<mailto:linomorales001@gmail.com>> wrote:

The audio quality is crap. TeamTalk is better for what you want to do.

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<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io><nvda@nvda.groups.io
<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>> on behalf of Joshua Hendrickson
<louvins@gmail.com <mailto:louvins@gmail.com>>
*Sent:*Monday, July 16, 2018 2:36:56 PM
*To:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:*Re: [nvda] Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September
1 -
I'm not exactly a fan of the new version of skype.  If I can figure
out how to invite multiple people to a skype call, that would be
great.  However, I can use this new version of skype ok.  Granted, I
don't like it as well as 7.4, but I can use it.

On 7/16/18, Ervin, Glenn <glenn.ervin@nebraska.gov
<mailto:glenn.ervin@nebraska.gov>> wrote:
What ever happened to Microsoft Net Meeting?
I used to use that on days of dial-up and Windows 98.
Glenn


-----Original Message-----
From:nvda@nvda.groups.io
<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io><nvda@nvda.groups.io
<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>> On Behalf Of Eleni
Vamvakari
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 1:03 PM
To:nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on
September 1 -

I used GW Connect for a while, but now, even the patch doesn't
seem to work.
  I installed it on one of my machines a few nights ago, but it
wouldn't even
let me see my contacts.  This is truly sad, as it was great
software.  I
don't know why Microsoft is forcing everyone to use their software,
especially when it's not even fully accessible!
Usually, I use S Portable, which is a portable version of regular
Skype 7 if
I remember correctly.  Granted, I don't really like the interface
there
either, especially as I have to use Task Manager to close the
program, but
at least it's better than the one that my friend has on his
laptop!  I tried
it and got a headache!  Here is the link to S Portable.

https://portableapps.com/apps/internet/sportable

Personally, I liked MSN/Windows Live Messenger better than all of
the above,
as it was simple, fast, and in its earlier days, didn't include
all sorts of
unnecessary features!  Now, I must find an accessible alternative
to Skype.
*sigh*

All the best,
Eleni

On 16/07/2018, Ervin, Glenn <glenn.ervin@nebraska.gov
<mailto:glenn.ervin@nebraska.gov>> wrote:
Does anyone here still use GW Connect?
Glenn

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<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io><nvda@nvda.groups.io
<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>> On Behalf Of Sarah k
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Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 12:29 PM
To: Nvda List <nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>>
Subject: [nvda] Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 -

https://www.thurrott.com/cloud/microsoft-consumer-services/skype/16333
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Re: Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 -

Tyler Wood
 

Lol.

I remember 3.8 had 8 k audio all the time. It has been forever since quality has gone that low on skype for me *since* Microsoft bought it.

Go mobile, even on relatively good LTE, and team talk audio is so bad you can't use it. It takes nothing to make you break up whereas team speak has such a huge buffer you could probably talk in a stereo channel on satellite. Very latent, but doable. I have played around with the transmit interval on team talk to no avail.

I use zoom for work, but have yet to be mobile with it so am curious on how it will handle that. I have a lot of rural areas that get excellent HSPA coverage which should be more than enough for any audio communication, yet team talk struggles like crazy. Frustrating.




On 16-Jul-2018 2:15 PM, Lino Morales wrote:

Well I use Skype and TT on my PC not in a mobile environment due to a Android phone that has 8 GB of memory. I do 99.9 percent of my stuff on said PC with a 200 MBPS download speed on my Spectrum connection. Skype technologies SA should never should have sold their souls to the devil AKA MS. V 4.X had great audio. MS broke it.

 

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of Tyler Wood <tcwood12@...>
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 3:12:13 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 -
 
Maybe it is for you. Not everyone needs high quality audio for voice communication, using tons of mobile internet that they don't have. I have used zoom, and I see absolutely 0 difference in audio quality. Mostly because of internal microphones with noise suppression enabled.



On 16-Jul-2018 1:46 PM, Lino Morales wrote:

If I were a podcaster I’d use Zoom or TT. Sorry, but I standby what I said. The audio is crap.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@...>
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 2:44:27 PM
To: Nvda List
Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 -
 
The audio quality is fine. It’s not zoom quality but I can understand what’s beeing said, and if I can do my job still Ill take it. I am actually loving skype and I do use it on my vodcasts.

On Jul 16, 2018, at 11:38 AM, Lino Morales <linomorales001@...> wrote:

The audio quality is crap. TeamTalk is better for what you want to do.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


From: nvda@nvda.groups.io<nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of Joshua Hendrickson <louvins@...>
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 2:36:56 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 -
 
I'm not exactly a fan of the new version of skype.  If I can figure
out how to invite multiple people to a skype call, that would be
great.  However, I can use this new version of skype ok.  Granted, I
don't like it as well as 7.4, but I can use it.

On 7/16/18, Ervin, Glenn <glenn.ervin@...> wrote:
> What ever happened to Microsoft Net Meeting?
> I used to use that on days of dial-up and Windows 98.
> Glenn
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io<nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Eleni
> Vamvakari
> Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 1:03 PM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 -
>
> I used GW Connect for a while, but now, even the patch doesn't seem to work.
>  I installed it on one of my machines a few nights ago, but it wouldn't even
> let me see my contacts.  This is truly sad, as it was great software.  I
> don't know why Microsoft is forcing everyone to use their software,
> especially when it's not even fully accessible!
> Usually, I use S Portable, which is a portable version of regular Skype 7 if
> I remember correctly.  Granted, I don't really like the interface there
> either, especially as I have to use Task Manager to close the program, but
> at least it's better than the one that my friend has on his laptop!  I tried
> it and got a headache!  Here is the link to S Portable.
>
> https://portableapps.com/apps/internet/sportable
>
> Personally, I liked MSN/Windows Live Messenger better than all of the above,
> as it was simple, fast, and in its earlier days, didn't include all sorts of
> unnecessary features!  Now, I must find an accessible alternative to Skype.
> *sigh*
>
> All the best,
> Eleni
>
> On 16/07/2018, Ervin, Glenn <glenn.ervin@...> wrote:
>> Does anyone here still use GW Connect?
>> Glenn
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io<nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sarah k
>> Alawami
>> Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 12:29 PM
>> To: Nvda List <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>> Subject: [nvda] Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 -
>>
>> https://www.thurrott.com/cloud/microsoft-consumer-services/skype/16333
>> 7/microsoft-killing-skype-classic-september-1
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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Re: Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 -

Cristóbal
 

The beefs I have have to do with telephonic functionality. Been stuck on V 7/4 desktop since forever since using all facets of this feature still haven’t been fixed/addressed.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ervin, Glenn
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 12:14 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 -

 

I think that one important feature is to have file transferring available.

Glenn

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tyler Wood
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 2:07 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 -

 

I'm really not sure why everyone is hating on skype. Stereo audio is great and all in recordings. When talking, it's just a frustrating distraction. I just want to talk.

 

Team talk is nice, but who in the sighted world uses it? Nobody that I know of, so that's a serious limitation for me.

 

Think skype is bad for screen readers? Try out discord. Tons of unlabeled buttons.

Speaking of audio issues. Team talk has horrific issues if one is using speakers and soundcard does not support echo cancelation or noise suppression, both of which make the audio quality deteriorate so bad you might as well use another service and save your bandwidth, too. For talking, skype handles it wonderfully in comparison and also does a ton better if your internet isn't the greatest.

 

It is still the king of multi platform, mainstream, and screen reader accessible voice communication. Google is kind of there but I know very few who use it. Team speak is really nice too, supports stereo audio and blows the doors off team talk every which way. I know a few people who use it, but not many. I think whatsapp also supports voice calling. I have never tried it before but would be curious if you could be in calls on the web.

 

Just my thoughts, for what it's worth.

 

 

On 16-Jul-2018 1:38 PM, Lino Morales wrote:

The audio quality is crap. TeamTalk is better for what you want to do.

 

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of Joshua Hendrickson <louvins@...>
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 2:36:56 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 -

 

I'm not exactly a fan of the new version of skype.  If I can figure
out how to invite multiple people to a skype call, that would be
great.  However, I can use this new version of skype ok.  Granted, I
don't like it as well as 7.4, but I can use it.

On 7/16/18, Ervin, Glenn <glenn.ervin@...> wrote:
> What ever happened to Microsoft Net Meeting?
> I used to use that on days of dial-up and Windows 98.
> Glenn
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Eleni
> Vamvakari
> Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 1:03 PM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 -
>
> I used GW Connect for a while, but now, even the patch doesn't seem to work.
>  I installed it on one of my machines a few nights ago, but it wouldn't even
> let me see my contacts.  This is truly sad, as it was great software.  I
> don't know why Microsoft is forcing everyone to use their software,
> especially when it's not even fully accessible!
> Usually, I use S Portable, which is a portable version of regular Skype 7 if
> I remember correctly.  Granted, I don't really like the interface there
> either, especially as I have to use Task Manager to close the program, but
> at least it's better than the one that my friend has on his laptop!  I tried
> it and got a headache!  Here is the link to S Portable.
>
> https://portableapps.com/apps/internet/sportable
>
> Personally, I liked MSN/Windows Live Messenger better than all of the above,
> as it was simple, fast, and in its earlier days, didn't include all sorts of
> unnecessary features!  Now, I must find an accessible alternative to Skype.
> *sigh*
>
> All the best,
> Eleni
>
> On 16/07/2018, Ervin, Glenn <glenn.ervin@...> wrote:
>> Does anyone here still use GW Connect?
>> Glenn
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sarah k
>> Alawami
>> Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 12:29 PM
>> To: Nvda List <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>> Subject: [nvda] Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 -
>>
>> https://www.thurrott.com/cloud/microsoft-consumer-services/skype/16333
>> 7/microsoft-killing-skype-classic-september-1
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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>
> anyaudio.net: elvam2167
>
> Skype: elvam2167
>
>
>
>
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Re: Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 -

Lino Morales
 

Well I use Skype and TT on my PC not in a mobile environment due to a Android phone that has 8 GB of memory. I do 99.9 percent of my stuff on said PC with a 200 MBPS download speed on my Spectrum connection. Skype technologies SA should never should have sold their souls to the devil AKA MS. V 4.X had great audio. MS broke it.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of Tyler Wood <tcwood12@...>
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 3:12:13 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 -
 
Maybe it is for you. Not everyone needs high quality audio for voice communication, using tons of mobile internet that they don't have. I have used zoom, and I see absolutely 0 difference in audio quality. Mostly because of internal microphones with noise suppression enabled.



On 16-Jul-2018 1:46 PM, Lino Morales wrote:

If I were a podcaster I’d use Zoom or TT. Sorry, but I standby what I said. The audio is crap.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@...>
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 2:44:27 PM
To: Nvda List
Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 -
 
The audio quality is fine. It’s not zoom quality but I can understand what’s beeing said, and if I can do my job still Ill take it. I am actually loving skype and I do use it on my vodcasts.

On Jul 16, 2018, at 11:38 AM, Lino Morales <linomorales001@...> wrote:

The audio quality is crap. TeamTalk is better for what you want to do.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


From: nvda@nvda.groups.io<nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of Joshua Hendrickson <louvins@...>
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 2:36:56 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 -
 
I'm not exactly a fan of the new version of skype.  If I can figure
out how to invite multiple people to a skype call, that would be
great.  However, I can use this new version of skype ok.  Granted, I
don't like it as well as 7.4, but I can use it.

On 7/16/18, Ervin, Glenn <glenn.ervin@...> wrote:
> What ever happened to Microsoft Net Meeting?
> I used to use that on days of dial-up and Windows 98.
> Glenn
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io<nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Eleni
> Vamvakari
> Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 1:03 PM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 -
>
> I used GW Connect for a while, but now, even the patch doesn't seem to work.
>  I installed it on one of my machines a few nights ago, but it wouldn't even
> let me see my contacts.  This is truly sad, as it was great software.  I
> don't know why Microsoft is forcing everyone to use their software,
> especially when it's not even fully accessible!
> Usually, I use S Portable, which is a portable version of regular Skype 7 if
> I remember correctly.  Granted, I don't really like the interface there
> either, especially as I have to use Task Manager to close the program, but
> at least it's better than the one that my friend has on his laptop!  I tried
> it and got a headache!  Here is the link to S Portable.
>
> https://portableapps.com/apps/internet/sportable
>
> Personally, I liked MSN/Windows Live Messenger better than all of the above,
> as it was simple, fast, and in its earlier days, didn't include all sorts of
> unnecessary features!  Now, I must find an accessible alternative to Skype.
> *sigh*
>
> All the best,
> Eleni
>
> On 16/07/2018, Ervin, Glenn <glenn.ervin@...> wrote:
>> Does anyone here still use GW Connect?
>> Glenn
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io<nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sarah k
>> Alawami
>> Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 12:29 PM
>> To: Nvda List <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>> Subject: [nvda] Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 -
>>
>> https://www.thurrott.com/cloud/microsoft-consumer-services/skype/16333
>> 7/microsoft-killing-skype-classic-september-1
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
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>
> anyaudio.net: elvam2167
>
> Skype: elvam2167
>
>
>
>
> 
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Re: Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 -

Tyler Wood
 

Very valid point.

I think all of them support it apart from team speak. Though now that I think about it it might support it as well.




On 16-Jul-2018 2:14 PM, Ervin, Glenn wrote:

I think that one important feature is to have file transferring available.

Glenn

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tyler Wood
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 2:07 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 -

 

I'm really not sure why everyone is hating on skype. Stereo audio is great and all in recordings. When talking, it's just a frustrating distraction. I just want to talk.

 

Team talk is nice, but who in the sighted world uses it? Nobody that I know of, so that's a serious limitation for me.

 

Think skype is bad for screen readers? Try out discord. Tons of unlabeled buttons.

Speaking of audio issues. Team talk has horrific issues if one is using speakers and soundcard does not support echo cancelation or noise suppression, both of which make the audio quality deteriorate so bad you might as well use another service and save your bandwidth, too. For talking, skype handles it wonderfully in comparison and also does a ton better if your internet isn't the greatest.

 

It is still the king of multi platform, mainstream, and screen reader accessible voice communication. Google is kind of there but I know very few who use it. Team speak is really nice too, supports stereo audio and blows the doors off team talk every which way. I know a few people who use it, but not many. I think whatsapp also supports voice calling. I have never tried it before but would be curious if you could be in calls on the web.

 

Just my thoughts, for what it's worth.

 

 

On 16-Jul-2018 1:38 PM, Lino Morales wrote:

The audio quality is crap. TeamTalk is better for what you want to do.

 

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of Joshua Hendrickson <louvins@...>
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 2:36:56 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 -

 

I'm not exactly a fan of the new version of skype.  If I can figure
out how to invite multiple people to a skype call, that would be
great.  However, I can use this new version of skype ok.  Granted, I
don't like it as well as 7.4, but I can use it.

On 7/16/18, Ervin, Glenn <glenn.ervin@...> wrote:
> What ever happened to Microsoft Net Meeting?
> I used to use that on days of dial-up and Windows 98.
> Glenn
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Eleni
> Vamvakari
> Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 1:03 PM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 -
>
> I used GW Connect for a while, but now, even the patch doesn't seem to work.
>  I installed it on one of my machines a few nights ago, but it wouldn't even
> let me see my contacts.  This is truly sad, as it was great software.  I
> don't know why Microsoft is forcing everyone to use their software,
> especially when it's not even fully accessible!
> Usually, I use S Portable, which is a portable version of regular Skype 7 if
> I remember correctly.  Granted, I don't really like the interface there
> either, especially as I have to use Task Manager to close the program, but
> at least it's better than the one that my friend has on his laptop!  I tried
> it and got a headache!  Here is the link to S Portable.
>
> https://portableapps.com/apps/internet/sportable
>
> Personally, I liked MSN/Windows Live Messenger better than all of the above,
> as it was simple, fast, and in its earlier days, didn't include all sorts of
> unnecessary features!  Now, I must find an accessible alternative to Skype.
> *sigh*
>
> All the best,
> Eleni
>
> On 16/07/2018, Ervin, Glenn <glenn.ervin@...> wrote:
>> Does anyone here still use GW Connect?
>> Glenn
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sarah k
>> Alawami
>> Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 12:29 PM
>> To: Nvda List <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>> Subject: [nvda] Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 -
>>
>> https://www.thurrott.com/cloud/microsoft-consumer-services/skype/16333
>> 7/microsoft-killing-skype-classic-september-1
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
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>
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Re: Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 -

Ervin, Glenn
 

I think that one important feature is to have file transferring available.

Glenn

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tyler Wood
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 2:07 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 -

 

I'm really not sure why everyone is hating on skype. Stereo audio is great and all in recordings. When talking, it's just a frustrating distraction. I just want to talk.

 

Team talk is nice, but who in the sighted world uses it? Nobody that I know of, so that's a serious limitation for me.

 

Think skype is bad for screen readers? Try out discord. Tons of unlabeled buttons.

Speaking of audio issues. Team talk has horrific issues if one is using speakers and soundcard does not support echo cancelation or noise suppression, both of which make the audio quality deteriorate so bad you might as well use another service and save your bandwidth, too. For talking, skype handles it wonderfully in comparison and also does a ton better if your internet isn't the greatest.

 

It is still the king of multi platform, mainstream, and screen reader accessible voice communication. Google is kind of there but I know very few who use it. Team speak is really nice too, supports stereo audio and blows the doors off team talk every which way. I know a few people who use it, but not many. I think whatsapp also supports voice calling. I have never tried it before but would be curious if you could be in calls on the web.

 

Just my thoughts, for what it's worth.

 

 

On 16-Jul-2018 1:38 PM, Lino Morales wrote:

The audio quality is crap. TeamTalk is better for what you want to do.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of Joshua Hendrickson <louvins@...>
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 2:36:56 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 -

 

I'm not exactly a fan of the new version of skype.  If I can figure
out how to invite multiple people to a skype call, that would be
great.  However, I can use this new version of skype ok.  Granted, I
don't like it as well as 7.4, but I can use it.

On 7/16/18, Ervin, Glenn <glenn.ervin@...> wrote:
> What ever happened to Microsoft Net Meeting?
> I used to use that on days of dial-up and Windows 98.
> Glenn
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Eleni
> Vamvakari
> Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 1:03 PM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 -
>
> I used GW Connect for a while, but now, even the patch doesn't seem to work.
>  I installed it on one of my machines a few nights ago, but it wouldn't even
> let me see my contacts.  This is truly sad, as it was great software.  I
> don't know why Microsoft is forcing everyone to use their software,
> especially when it's not even fully accessible!
> Usually, I use S Portable, which is a portable version of regular Skype 7 if
> I remember correctly.  Granted, I don't really like the interface there
> either, especially as I have to use Task Manager to close the program, but
> at least it's better than the one that my friend has on his laptop!  I tried
> it and got a headache!  Here is the link to S Portable.
>
> https://portableapps.com/apps/internet/sportable
>
> Personally, I liked MSN/Windows Live Messenger better than all of the above,
> as it was simple, fast, and in its earlier days, didn't include all sorts of
> unnecessary features!  Now, I must find an accessible alternative to Skype.
> *sigh*
>
> All the best,
> Eleni
>
> On 16/07/2018, Ervin, Glenn <glenn.ervin@...> wrote:
>> Does anyone here still use GW Connect?
>> Glenn
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sarah k
>> Alawami
>> Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 12:29 PM
>> To: Nvda List <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>> Subject: [nvda] Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 -
>>
>> https://www.thurrott.com/cloud/microsoft-consumer-services/skype/16333
>> 7/microsoft-killing-skype-classic-september-1
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
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>
> anyaudio.net: elvam2167
>
> Skype: elvam2167
>
>
>
>
>
>
>


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Re: Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 -

Tyler Wood
 

Maybe it is for you. Not everyone needs high quality audio for voice communication, using tons of mobile internet that they don't have. I have used zoom, and I see absolutely 0 difference in audio quality. Mostly because of internal microphones with noise suppression enabled.



On 16-Jul-2018 1:46 PM, Lino Morales wrote:

If I were a podcaster I’d use Zoom or TT. Sorry, but I standby what I said. The audio is crap.

 

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@...>
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 2:44:27 PM
To: Nvda List
Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 -
 
The audio quality is fine. It’s not zoom quality but I can understand what’s beeing said, and if I can do my job still Ill take it. I am actually loving skype and I do use it on my vodcasts.

On Jul 16, 2018, at 11:38 AM, Lino Morales <linomorales001@...> wrote:

The audio quality is crap. TeamTalk is better for what you want to do.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


From: nvda@nvda.groups.io<nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of Joshua Hendrickson <louvins@...>
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 2:36:56 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 -
 
I'm not exactly a fan of the new version of skype.  If I can figure
out how to invite multiple people to a skype call, that would be
great.  However, I can use this new version of skype ok.  Granted, I
don't like it as well as 7.4, but I can use it.

On 7/16/18, Ervin, Glenn <glenn.ervin@...> wrote:
> What ever happened to Microsoft Net Meeting?
> I used to use that on days of dial-up and Windows 98.
> Glenn
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io<nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Eleni
> Vamvakari
> Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 1:03 PM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 -
>
> I used GW Connect for a while, but now, even the patch doesn't seem to work.
>  I installed it on one of my machines a few nights ago, but it wouldn't even
> let me see my contacts.  This is truly sad, as it was great software.  I
> don't know why Microsoft is forcing everyone to use their software,
> especially when it's not even fully accessible!
> Usually, I use S Portable, which is a portable version of regular Skype 7 if
> I remember correctly.  Granted, I don't really like the interface there
> either, especially as I have to use Task Manager to close the program, but
> at least it's better than the one that my friend has on his laptop!  I tried
> it and got a headache!  Here is the link to S Portable.
>
> https://portableapps.com/apps/internet/sportable
>
> Personally, I liked MSN/Windows Live Messenger better than all of the above,
> as it was simple, fast, and in its earlier days, didn't include all sorts of
> unnecessary features!  Now, I must find an accessible alternative to Skype.
> *sigh*
>
> All the best,
> Eleni
>
> On 16/07/2018, Ervin, Glenn <glenn.ervin@...> wrote:
>> Does anyone here still use GW Connect?
>> Glenn
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io<nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sarah k
>> Alawami
>> Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 12:29 PM
>> To: Nvda List <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>> Subject: [nvda] Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 -
>>
>> https://www.thurrott.com/cloud/microsoft-consumer-services/skype/16333
>> 7/microsoft-killing-skype-classic-september-1
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Facebook: elvam2167@...
>
> anyaudio.net: elvam2167
>
> Skype: elvam2167
>
>
>
>
> 
>
>


-- 
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Re: Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 -

Tyler Wood
 

I'm really not sure why everyone is hating on skype. Stereo audio is great and all in recordings. When talking, it's just a frustrating distraction. I just want to talk.


Team talk is nice, but who in the sighted world uses it? Nobody that I know of, so that's a serious limitation for me.


Think skype is bad for screen readers? Try out discord. Tons of unlabeled buttons.

Speaking of audio issues. Team talk has horrific issues if one is using speakers and soundcard does not support echo cancelation or noise suppression, both of which make the audio quality deteriorate so bad you might as well use another service and save your bandwidth, too. For talking, skype handles it wonderfully in comparison and also does a ton better if your internet isn't the greatest.


It is still the king of multi platform, mainstream, and screen reader accessible voice communication. Google is kind of there but I know very few who use it. Team speak is really nice too, supports stereo audio and blows the doors off team talk every which way. I know a few people who use it, but not many. I think whatsapp also supports voice calling. I have never tried it before but would be curious if you could be in calls on the web.


Just my thoughts, for what it's worth.



On 16-Jul-2018 1:38 PM, Lino Morales wrote:

The audio quality is crap. TeamTalk is better for what you want to do.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of Joshua Hendrickson <louvins@...>
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 2:36:56 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 -
 
I'm not exactly a fan of the new version of skype.  If I can figure
out how to invite multiple people to a skype call, that would be
great.  However, I can use this new version of skype ok.  Granted, I
don't like it as well as 7.4, but I can use it.

On 7/16/18, Ervin, Glenn <glenn.ervin@...> wrote:
> What ever happened to Microsoft Net Meeting?
> I used to use that on days of dial-up and Windows 98.
> Glenn
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Eleni
> Vamvakari
> Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 1:03 PM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 -
>
> I used GW Connect for a while, but now, even the patch doesn't seem to work.
>  I installed it on one of my machines a few nights ago, but it wouldn't even
> let me see my contacts.  This is truly sad, as it was great software.  I
> don't know why Microsoft is forcing everyone to use their software,
> especially when it's not even fully accessible!
> Usually, I use S Portable, which is a portable version of regular Skype 7 if
> I remember correctly.  Granted, I don't really like the interface there
> either, especially as I have to use Task Manager to close the program, but
> at least it's better than the one that my friend has on his laptop!  I tried
> it and got a headache!  Here is the link to S Portable.
>
> https://portableapps.com/apps/internet/sportable
>
> Personally, I liked MSN/Windows Live Messenger better than all of the above,
> as it was simple, fast, and in its earlier days, didn't include all sorts of
> unnecessary features!  Now, I must find an accessible alternative to Skype.
> *sigh*
>
> All the best,
> Eleni
>
> On 16/07/2018, Ervin, Glenn <glenn.ervin@...> wrote:
>> Does anyone here still use GW Connect?
>> Glenn
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sarah k
>> Alawami
>> Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 12:29 PM
>> To: Nvda List <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>> Subject: [nvda] Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 -
>>
>> https://www.thurrott.com/cloud/microsoft-consumer-services/skype/16333
>> 7/microsoft-killing-skype-classic-september-1
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Facebook: elvam2167@...
>
> anyaudio.net: elvam2167
>
> Skype: elvam2167
>
>
>
>
>
>
>


--
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Joshua Hendrickson





Re: Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 -

Eleni Vamvakari
 

Is it free? How accessible is it with NVDA and Windows XP or 7? Is
it web-based or does it use a client?

On 16/07/2018, Lino Morales <linomorales001@gmail.com> wrote:
Learn all about it at:

www.zoom.us



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________________________________
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of Eleni Vamvakari
<elvam2167@gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 2:48:01 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 -

I have never had an issue with the audio on Skype, except when it was
incredibly new, or when the connection itself is bad. What is Zoom?

On 16/07/2018, Lino Morales <linomorales001@gmail.com> wrote:
If I were a podcaster I’d use Zoom or TT. Sorry, but I standby what I
said.
The audio is crap.

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________________________________
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of Sarah k
Alawami
<marrie12@gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 2:44:27 PM
To: Nvda List
Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 -

The audio quality is fine. It’s not zoom quality but I can understand
what’s
beeing said, and if I can do my job still Ill take it. I am actually
loving
skype and I do use it on my vodcasts.

On Jul 16, 2018, at 11:38 AM, Lino Morales
<linomorales001@gmail.com<mailto:linomorales001@gmail.com>> wrote:

The audio quality is crap. TeamTalk is better for what you want to do.



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________________________________
From:
nvda@nvda.groups.io<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io><nvda@nvda.groups.io<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>>
on behalf of Joshua Hendrickson
<louvins@gmail.com<mailto:louvins@gmail.com>>
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 2:36:56 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 -

I'm not exactly a fan of the new version of skype. If I can figure
out how to invite multiple people to a skype call, that would be
great. However, I can use this new version of skype ok. Granted, I
don't like it as well as 7.4, but I can use it.

On 7/16/18, Ervin, Glenn
<glenn.ervin@nebraska.gov<mailto:glenn.ervin@nebraska.gov>> wrote:
What ever happened to Microsoft Net Meeting?
I used to use that on days of dial-up and Windows 98.
Glenn


-----Original Message-----
From:
nvda@nvda.groups.io<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io><nvda@nvda.groups.io<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>>
On Behalf Of Eleni
Vamvakari
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 1:03 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 -

I used GW Connect for a while, but now, even the patch doesn't seem to
work.
I installed it on one of my machines a few nights ago, but it wouldn't
even
let me see my contacts. This is truly sad, as it was great software. I
don't know why Microsoft is forcing everyone to use their software,
especially when it's not even fully accessible!
Usually, I use S Portable, which is a portable version of regular Skype
7
if
I remember correctly. Granted, I don't really like the interface there
either, especially as I have to use Task Manager to close the program,
but
at least it's better than the one that my friend has on his laptop! I
tried
it and got a headache! Here is the link to S Portable.

https://portableapps.com/apps/internet/sportable

Personally, I liked MSN/Windows Live Messenger better than all of the
above,
as it was simple, fast, and in its earlier days, didn't include all
sorts
of
unnecessary features! Now, I must find an accessible alternative to
Skype.
*sigh*

All the best,
Eleni

On 16/07/2018, Ervin, Glenn
<glenn.ervin@nebraska.gov<mailto:glenn.ervin@nebraska.gov>> wrote:
Does anyone here still use GW Connect?
Glenn

-----Original Message-----
From:
nvda@nvda.groups.io<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io><nvda@nvda.groups.io<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>>
On Behalf Of Sarah k
Alawami
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 12:29 PM
To: Nvda List <nvda@nvda.groups.io<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>>
Subject: [nvda] Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 -

https://www.thurrott.com/cloud/microsoft-consumer-services/skype/16333
7/microsoft-killing-skype-classic-september-1






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Re: Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 -

Lino Morales
 

Learn all about it at:

www.zoom.us

 

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of Eleni Vamvakari <elvam2167@...>
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 2:48:01 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 -
 
I have never had an issue with the audio on Skype, except when it was
incredibly new, or when the connection itself is bad.  What is Zoom?

On 16/07/2018, Lino Morales <linomorales001@...> wrote:
> If I were a podcaster I’d use Zoom or TT. Sorry, but I standby what I said.
> The audio is crap.
>
> Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows
> 10
>
> ________________________________
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of Sarah k Alawami
> <marrie12@...>
> Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 2:44:27 PM
> To: Nvda List
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 -
>
> The audio quality is fine. It’s not zoom quality but I can understand what’s
> beeing said, and if I can do my job still Ill take it. I am actually loving
> skype and I do use it on my vodcasts.
>
> On Jul 16, 2018, at 11:38 AM, Lino Morales
> <linomorales001@...<mailto:linomorales001@...>> wrote:
>
> The audio quality is crap. TeamTalk is better for what you want to do.
>
>
>
> Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows
> 10
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From:
> nvda@nvda.groups.io<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io><nvda@nvda.groups.io<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>>
> on behalf of Joshua Hendrickson
> <louvins@...<mailto:louvins@...>>
> Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 2:36:56 PM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 -
>
> I'm not exactly a fan of the new version of skype.  If I can figure
> out how to invite multiple people to a skype call, that would be
> great.  However, I can use this new version of skype ok.  Granted, I
> don't like it as well as 7.4, but I can use it.
>
> On 7/16/18, Ervin, Glenn
> <glenn.ervin@...<mailto:glenn.ervin@...>> wrote:
>> What ever happened to Microsoft Net Meeting?
>> I used to use that on days of dial-up and Windows 98.
>> Glenn
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From:
>> nvda@nvda.groups.io<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io><nvda@nvda.groups.io<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>>
>> On Behalf Of Eleni
>> Vamvakari
>> Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 1:03 PM
>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>> Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 -
>>
>> I used GW Connect for a while, but now, even the patch doesn't seem to
>> work.
>>  I installed it on one of my machines a few nights ago, but it wouldn't
>> even
>> let me see my contacts.  This is truly sad, as it was great software.  I
>> don't know why Microsoft is forcing everyone to use their software,
>> especially when it's not even fully accessible!
>> Usually, I use S Portable, which is a portable version of regular Skype 7
>> if
>> I remember correctly.  Granted, I don't really like the interface there
>> either, especially as I have to use Task Manager to close the program,
>> but
>> at least it's better than the one that my friend has on his laptop!  I
>> tried
>> it and got a headache!  Here is the link to S Portable.
>>
>> https://portableapps.com/apps/internet/sportable
>>
>> Personally, I liked MSN/Windows Live Messenger better than all of the
>> above,
>> as it was simple, fast, and in its earlier days, didn't include all sorts
>> of
>> unnecessary features!  Now, I must find an accessible alternative to
>> Skype.
>> *sigh*
>>
>> All the best,
>> Eleni
>>
>> On 16/07/2018, Ervin, Glenn
>> <glenn.ervin@...<mailto:glenn.ervin@...>> wrote:
>>> Does anyone here still use GW Connect?
>>> Glenn
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From:
>>> nvda@nvda.groups.io<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io><nvda@nvda.groups.io<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>>
>>> On Behalf Of Sarah k
>>> Alawami
>>> Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 12:29 PM
>>> To: Nvda List <nvda@nvda.groups.io<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>>
>>> Subject: [nvda] Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 -
>>>
>>> https://www.thurrott.com/cloud/microsoft-consumer-services/skype/16333
>>> 7/microsoft-killing-skype-classic-september-1
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
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>>
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>>
>> Skype: elvam2167
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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>
> Joshua Hendrickson
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>


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Re: Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 -

Eleni Vamvakari
 

I have never had an issue with the audio on Skype, except when it was
incredibly new, or when the connection itself is bad. What is Zoom?

On 16/07/2018, Lino Morales <linomorales001@gmail.com> wrote:
If I were a podcaster I’d use Zoom or TT. Sorry, but I standby what I said.
The audio is crap.

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________________________________
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of Sarah k Alawami
<marrie12@gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 2:44:27 PM
To: Nvda List
Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 -

The audio quality is fine. It’s not zoom quality but I can understand what’s
beeing said, and if I can do my job still Ill take it. I am actually loving
skype and I do use it on my vodcasts.

On Jul 16, 2018, at 11:38 AM, Lino Morales
<linomorales001@gmail.com<mailto:linomorales001@gmail.com>> wrote:

The audio quality is crap. TeamTalk is better for what you want to do.



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From:
nvda@nvda.groups.io<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io><nvda@nvda.groups.io<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>>
on behalf of Joshua Hendrickson
<louvins@gmail.com<mailto:louvins@gmail.com>>
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 2:36:56 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 -

I'm not exactly a fan of the new version of skype. If I can figure
out how to invite multiple people to a skype call, that would be
great. However, I can use this new version of skype ok. Granted, I
don't like it as well as 7.4, but I can use it.

On 7/16/18, Ervin, Glenn
<glenn.ervin@nebraska.gov<mailto:glenn.ervin@nebraska.gov>> wrote:
What ever happened to Microsoft Net Meeting?
I used to use that on days of dial-up and Windows 98.
Glenn


-----Original Message-----
From:
nvda@nvda.groups.io<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io><nvda@nvda.groups.io<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>>
On Behalf Of Eleni
Vamvakari
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 1:03 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 -

I used GW Connect for a while, but now, even the patch doesn't seem to
work.
I installed it on one of my machines a few nights ago, but it wouldn't
even
let me see my contacts. This is truly sad, as it was great software. I
don't know why Microsoft is forcing everyone to use their software,
especially when it's not even fully accessible!
Usually, I use S Portable, which is a portable version of regular Skype 7
if
I remember correctly. Granted, I don't really like the interface there
either, especially as I have to use Task Manager to close the program,
but
at least it's better than the one that my friend has on his laptop! I
tried
it and got a headache! Here is the link to S Portable.

https://portableapps.com/apps/internet/sportable

Personally, I liked MSN/Windows Live Messenger better than all of the
above,
as it was simple, fast, and in its earlier days, didn't include all sorts
of
unnecessary features! Now, I must find an accessible alternative to
Skype.
*sigh*

All the best,
Eleni

On 16/07/2018, Ervin, Glenn
<glenn.ervin@nebraska.gov<mailto:glenn.ervin@nebraska.gov>> wrote:
Does anyone here still use GW Connect?
Glenn

-----Original Message-----
From:
nvda@nvda.groups.io<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io><nvda@nvda.groups.io<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>>
On Behalf Of Sarah k
Alawami
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 12:29 PM
To: Nvda List <nvda@nvda.groups.io<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>>
Subject: [nvda] Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 -

https://www.thurrott.com/cloud/microsoft-consumer-services/skype/16333
7/microsoft-killing-skype-classic-september-1






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Re: Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 -

Lino Morales
 

If I were a podcaster I’d use Zoom or TT. Sorry, but I standby what I said. The audio is crap.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@...>
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 2:44:27 PM
To: Nvda List
Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 -
 
The audio quality is fine. It’s not zoom quality but I can understand what’s beeing said, and if I can do my job still Ill take it. I am actually loving skype and I do use it on my vodcasts.

On Jul 16, 2018, at 11:38 AM, Lino Morales <linomorales001@...> wrote:

The audio quality is crap. TeamTalk is better for what you want to do.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


From: nvda@nvda.groups.io<nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of Joshua Hendrickson <louvins@...>
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 2:36:56 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 -
 
I'm not exactly a fan of the new version of skype.  If I can figure
out how to invite multiple people to a skype call, that would be
great.  However, I can use this new version of skype ok.  Granted, I
don't like it as well as 7.4, but I can use it.

On 7/16/18, Ervin, Glenn <glenn.ervin@...> wrote:
> What ever happened to Microsoft Net Meeting?
> I used to use that on days of dial-up and Windows 98.
> Glenn
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io<nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Eleni
> Vamvakari
> Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 1:03 PM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 -
>
> I used GW Connect for a while, but now, even the patch doesn't seem to work.
>  I installed it on one of my machines a few nights ago, but it wouldn't even
> let me see my contacts.  This is truly sad, as it was great software.  I
> don't know why Microsoft is forcing everyone to use their software,
> especially when it's not even fully accessible!
> Usually, I use S Portable, which is a portable version of regular Skype 7 if
> I remember correctly.  Granted, I don't really like the interface there
> either, especially as I have to use Task Manager to close the program, but
> at least it's better than the one that my friend has on his laptop!  I tried
> it and got a headache!  Here is the link to S Portable.
>
> https://portableapps.com/apps/internet/sportable
>
> Personally, I liked MSN/Windows Live Messenger better than all of the above,
> as it was simple, fast, and in its earlier days, didn't include all sorts of
> unnecessary features!  Now, I must find an accessible alternative to Skype.
> *sigh*
>
> All the best,
> Eleni
>
> On 16/07/2018, Ervin, Glenn <glenn.ervin@...> wrote:
>> Does anyone here still use GW Connect?
>> Glenn
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io<nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sarah k
>> Alawami
>> Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 12:29 PM
>> To: Nvda List <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>> Subject: [nvda] Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 -
>>
>> https://www.thurrott.com/cloud/microsoft-consumer-services/skype/16333
>> 7/microsoft-killing-skype-classic-september-1
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
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>
> anyaudio.net: elvam2167
>
> Skype: elvam2167
>
>
>
>
> 
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Re: Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 -

Sarah k Alawami
 

The audio quality is fine. It’s not zoom quality but I can understand what’s beeing said, and if I can do my job still Ill take it. I am actually loving skype and I do use it on my vodcasts.

On Jul 16, 2018, at 11:38 AM, Lino Morales <linomorales001@...> wrote:

The audio quality is crap. TeamTalk is better for what you want to do.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


From: nvda@nvda.groups.io<nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of Joshua Hendrickson <louvins@...>
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 2:36:56 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 -
 
I'm not exactly a fan of the new version of skype.  If I can figure
out how to invite multiple people to a skype call, that would be
great.  However, I can use this new version of skype ok.  Granted, I
don't like it as well as 7.4, but I can use it.

On 7/16/18, Ervin, Glenn <glenn.ervin@...> wrote:
> What ever happened to Microsoft Net Meeting?
> I used to use that on days of dial-up and Windows 98.
> Glenn
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io<nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Eleni
> Vamvakari
> Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 1:03 PM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 -
>
> I used GW Connect for a while, but now, even the patch doesn't seem to work.
>  I installed it on one of my machines a few nights ago, but it wouldn't even
> let me see my contacts.  This is truly sad, as it was great software.  I
> don't know why Microsoft is forcing everyone to use their software,
> especially when it's not even fully accessible!
> Usually, I use S Portable, which is a portable version of regular Skype 7 if
> I remember correctly.  Granted, I don't really like the interface there
> either, especially as I have to use Task Manager to close the program, but
> at least it's better than the one that my friend has on his laptop!  I tried
> it and got a headache!  Here is the link to S Portable.
>
> https://portableapps.com/apps/internet/sportable
>
> Personally, I liked MSN/Windows Live Messenger better than all of the above,
> as it was simple, fast, and in its earlier days, didn't include all sorts of
> unnecessary features!  Now, I must find an accessible alternative to Skype.
> *sigh*
>
> All the best,
> Eleni
>
> On 16/07/2018, Ervin, Glenn <glenn.ervin@...> wrote:
>> Does anyone here still use GW Connect?
>> Glenn
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io<nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sarah k
>> Alawami
>> Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 12:29 PM
>> To: Nvda List <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>> Subject: [nvda] Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 -
>>
>> https://www.thurrott.com/cloud/microsoft-consumer-services/skype/16333
>> 7/microsoft-killing-skype-classic-september-1
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Facebook: elvam2167@...
>
> anyaudio.net: elvam2167
>
> Skype: elvam2167
>
>
>
>
> 
>
>


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Re: Is NVDA colourblind?

 

On Mon, Jul 16, 2018 at 01:40 PM, Gene wrote:
Pictures representing ideas or objects is not at all the same as symbols representing sounds that are combined to form words.  A picture of a fish representing the ocean is completely different than a symbolic method of writing the sounds in a language that make up the word "ocean."
Only if you're worried about the method, not the concept that is communicated itself.

There are many written (as in with letters) forms of the word, "ocean," but it is not the arbitrary representation of the concept that is the important part.  Even pictographic languages such as hieroglyphics had exact spoken equivalents for the glyphs.

Language is a symbol system to carry human communicative content.   Sign language is every bit as much a language as any other yet has no written component (and, believe me, many have tried to think of one that would work).
 
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Re: Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 -

Eleni Vamvakari
 

What about a Sip client and a free number from a place like
Callcentric? I usually prefer portable software but I am willing to
try a regular installer if something is truly accessible. I think I
found such a program once, but I don't remember its name. It wasn't
designed specifically for the blind, but it worked well with NVDA.

On 16/07/2018, Ervin, Glenn <glenn.ervin@nebraska.gov> wrote:
Ha Ha,
I was just referencing that same Wikipedia page after I sent my last
message.
Glenn


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Eleni
Vamvakari
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 1:33 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 -

Apparently, it has been discontinued. But it works with XP, so I will have
to investigate it! Some other software was also mentioned here, including
Meeting Space, Remote Desktop, Remote Assistance, Microsoft Office Live
Meeting, and SharedView. I don't have Office, but I can still research the
others. Thank you so much for mentioning this! If nothing else, NetMeeting
will be accessible!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_NetMeeting

On 16/07/2018, Ervin, Glenn <glenn.ervin@nebraska.gov> wrote:
What ever happened to Microsoft Net Meeting?
I used to use that on days of dial-up and Windows 98.
Glenn


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Eleni
Vamvakari
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 1:03 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1
-

I used GW Connect for a while, but now, even the patch doesn't seem to
work.
I installed it on one of my machines a few nights ago, but it
wouldn't even let me see my contacts. This is truly sad, as it was
great software. I don't know why Microsoft is forcing everyone to use
their software, especially when it's not even fully accessible!
Usually, I use S Portable, which is a portable version of regular
Skype 7 if I remember correctly. Granted, I don't really like the
interface there either, especially as I have to use Task Manager to
close the program, but at least it's better than the one that my
friend has on his laptop! I tried it and got a headache! Here is the
link to S Portable.

https://portableapps.com/apps/internet/sportable

Personally, I liked MSN/Windows Live Messenger better than all of the
above, as it was simple, fast, and in its earlier days, didn't include
all sorts of unnecessary features! Now, I must find an accessible
alternative to Skype.
*sigh*

All the best,
Eleni

On 16/07/2018, Ervin, Glenn <glenn.ervin@nebraska.gov> wrote:
Does anyone here still use GW Connect?
Glenn

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sarah k
Alawami
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 12:29 PM
To: Nvda List <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: [nvda] Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 -

https://www.thurrott.com/cloud/microsoft-consumer-services/skype/1633
3
7/microsoft-killing-skype-classic-september-1






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Re: Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 -

Lino Morales
 

The audio quality is crap. TeamTalk is better for what you want to do.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of Joshua Hendrickson <louvins@...>
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 2:36:56 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 -
 
I'm not exactly a fan of the new version of skype.  If I can figure
out how to invite multiple people to a skype call, that would be
great.  However, I can use this new version of skype ok.  Granted, I
don't like it as well as 7.4, but I can use it.

On 7/16/18, Ervin, Glenn <glenn.ervin@...> wrote:
> What ever happened to Microsoft Net Meeting?
> I used to use that on days of dial-up and Windows 98.
> Glenn
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Eleni
> Vamvakari
> Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 1:03 PM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 -
>
> I used GW Connect for a while, but now, even the patch doesn't seem to work.
>  I installed it on one of my machines a few nights ago, but it wouldn't even
> let me see my contacts.  This is truly sad, as it was great software.  I
> don't know why Microsoft is forcing everyone to use their software,
> especially when it's not even fully accessible!
> Usually, I use S Portable, which is a portable version of regular Skype 7 if
> I remember correctly.  Granted, I don't really like the interface there
> either, especially as I have to use Task Manager to close the program, but
> at least it's better than the one that my friend has on his laptop!  I tried
> it and got a headache!  Here is the link to S Portable.
>
> https://portableapps.com/apps/internet/sportable
>
> Personally, I liked MSN/Windows Live Messenger better than all of the above,
> as it was simple, fast, and in its earlier days, didn't include all sorts of
> unnecessary features!  Now, I must find an accessible alternative to Skype.
> *sigh*
>
> All the best,
> Eleni
>
> On 16/07/2018, Ervin, Glenn <glenn.ervin@...> wrote:
>> Does anyone here still use GW Connect?
>> Glenn
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sarah k
>> Alawami
>> Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 12:29 PM
>> To: Nvda List <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>> Subject: [nvda] Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 -
>>
>> https://www.thurrott.com/cloud/microsoft-consumer-services/skype/16333
>> 7/microsoft-killing-skype-classic-september-1
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
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>
> anyaudio.net: elvam2167
>
> Skype: elvam2167
>
>
>
>
>
>
>


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Re: Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 -

Joshua Hendrickson
 

I'm not exactly a fan of the new version of skype. If I can figure
out how to invite multiple people to a skype call, that would be
great. However, I can use this new version of skype ok. Granted, I
don't like it as well as 7.4, but I can use it.

On 7/16/18, Ervin, Glenn <glenn.ervin@nebraska.gov> wrote:
What ever happened to Microsoft Net Meeting?
I used to use that on days of dial-up and Windows 98.
Glenn


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Eleni
Vamvakari
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 1:03 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 -

I used GW Connect for a while, but now, even the patch doesn't seem to work.
I installed it on one of my machines a few nights ago, but it wouldn't even
let me see my contacts. This is truly sad, as it was great software. I
don't know why Microsoft is forcing everyone to use their software,
especially when it's not even fully accessible!
Usually, I use S Portable, which is a portable version of regular Skype 7 if
I remember correctly. Granted, I don't really like the interface there
either, especially as I have to use Task Manager to close the program, but
at least it's better than the one that my friend has on his laptop! I tried
it and got a headache! Here is the link to S Portable.

https://portableapps.com/apps/internet/sportable

Personally, I liked MSN/Windows Live Messenger better than all of the above,
as it was simple, fast, and in its earlier days, didn't include all sorts of
unnecessary features! Now, I must find an accessible alternative to Skype.
*sigh*

All the best,
Eleni

On 16/07/2018, Ervin, Glenn <glenn.ervin@nebraska.gov> wrote:
Does anyone here still use GW Connect?
Glenn

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sarah k
Alawami
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 12:29 PM
To: Nvda List <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: [nvda] Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 -

https://www.thurrott.com/cloud/microsoft-consumer-services/skype/16333
7/microsoft-killing-skype-classic-september-1






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Re: Admin. Important. On promoting illegal software

Devin Prater
 

The problem with that position is that the current illegal copy wasn’t made legally in the first place. Sure, it uses Eloquence libraries, but Nuance isn’t selling Eloquence themselves. Yes, there is a legal copy, and sure maybe the use of the illegal version may hurt their sales, but those who use the illegal add-on aren’t pirating a legal add-on, they’re pirating the Eloquence DLL’s and libraries. Technical, yes, but it’s a distinction I feel must be taken into account. I’m not saying that it is right to use the add-on, even if Nuance doesn’t sell Eloquence to end-users, and barely makes anything with the licenses, which I think must be pretty strict owing to the DRM on PC and Android.

On Jul 16, 2018, at 1:03 PM, ely.r@... wrote:

Gene, ,

No, I fully understand the list position. The issue is theft.

However when it comes to software, it is easy to convince one’s self that it doesn’t really hurt anyone as they will never know. Sorry if this sounds pretentious , but I have been and friends have been on the opposite side of this issue, and it can make a real difference for a developer who puts in enormous time creating software and knowing that a percent of copies are simply Pirated.

Rick

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 1:45 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Admin. Important. On promoting illegal software

 

The question isn't whether NVDA has adequate selection of synthesizers nor whether it is free.  The question is whether the list should be exposed to legal liability by the promotion of any kind of illegal software. 

 

If someone promoted illegal software to perform OCR, the same restriction would apply or to an illegal word processing program.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: ely.r@...

Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 12:32 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Admin. Important. On promoting illegal software

 

Gene

Thanks for this post. I have been wondering over the last few days what the position of the list owner would be on supporting the illegal piracy of software. NVDA comes free to those who cannot afford the cost of a screen reader. NVDA has a more than adequate selection of synthesizers as part of its install. Our visual conditions, whatever they may be, do not include an exemption for theft.

Again thanks for your reminder,

Rick  

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 1:02 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Admin. Important. On promoting illegal software

 

I'm sending this as an administrative message along with sending it in the thread where this problem is currently occurring.  I have slightly expanded this message with another explanatory comment.

 

I've stated before, as much as two or three days ago, that promoting illegal software is not, I emphatically repeat not, allowed on list.  This is not my policy.  It is the policy of the list owner and it is standard policy on a lot of lists.  Gratuitously mentioning and impliedly recommending illegal software is not allowed. 

 

If someone wants to express a general opinion about when it is ethically acceptable to use illegal software, as I understand list policy, that is allowed.  Promoting or discussing specific programs is not. 

 

I support this list policy.  It doesn't matter what my personal feelings are about when and if it is justifiable to use illegal software as an ethical question.  As moderator, I am responsible for enforcing list policy.  The policy is in place not because of the views of those who run the list on the the question.  It is in place because promoting illegal software exposes the list to legal liability.  If people continue to disregard my warnings on this subject, they will be moderated temporarily.  I'm sorry to have to send this kind of stern message.  I moderate with a lite toch whenever possible.  But it's time for such discussions and implied endorsements to stop.

 

Gene, Moderator




Re: Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 -

Ervin, Glenn
 

Ha Ha,
I was just referencing that same Wikipedia page after I sent my last message.
Glenn

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Eleni Vamvakari
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 1:33 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 -

Apparently, it has been discontinued. But it works with XP, so I will have to investigate it! Some other software was also mentioned here, including Meeting Space, Remote Desktop, Remote Assistance, Microsoft Office Live Meeting, and SharedView. I don't have Office, but I can still research the others. Thank you so much for mentioning this! If nothing else, NetMeeting will be accessible!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_NetMeeting

On 16/07/2018, Ervin, Glenn <glenn.ervin@nebraska.gov> wrote:
What ever happened to Microsoft Net Meeting?
I used to use that on days of dial-up and Windows 98.
Glenn


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Eleni
Vamvakari
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 1:03 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1
-

I used GW Connect for a while, but now, even the patch doesn't seem to work.
I installed it on one of my machines a few nights ago, but it
wouldn't even let me see my contacts. This is truly sad, as it was
great software. I don't know why Microsoft is forcing everyone to use
their software, especially when it's not even fully accessible!
Usually, I use S Portable, which is a portable version of regular
Skype 7 if I remember correctly. Granted, I don't really like the
interface there either, especially as I have to use Task Manager to
close the program, but at least it's better than the one that my
friend has on his laptop! I tried it and got a headache! Here is the link to S Portable.

https://portableapps.com/apps/internet/sportable

Personally, I liked MSN/Windows Live Messenger better than all of the
above, as it was simple, fast, and in its earlier days, didn't include
all sorts of unnecessary features! Now, I must find an accessible alternative to Skype.
*sigh*

All the best,
Eleni

On 16/07/2018, Ervin, Glenn <glenn.ervin@nebraska.gov> wrote:
Does anyone here still use GW Connect?
Glenn

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Re: Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 -

Eleni Vamvakari
 

Apparently, it has been discontinued. But it works with XP, so I will
have to investigate it! Some other software was also mentioned here,
including Meeting Space, Remote Desktop, Remote Assistance, Microsoft
Office Live Meeting, and SharedView. I don't have Office, but I can
still research the others. Thank you so much for mentioning this! If
nothing else, NetMeeting will be accessible!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_NetMeeting

On 16/07/2018, Ervin, Glenn <glenn.ervin@nebraska.gov> wrote:
What ever happened to Microsoft Net Meeting?
I used to use that on days of dial-up and Windows 98.
Glenn


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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Eleni
Vamvakari
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 1:03 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 -

I used GW Connect for a while, but now, even the patch doesn't seem to work.
I installed it on one of my machines a few nights ago, but it wouldn't even
let me see my contacts. This is truly sad, as it was great software. I
don't know why Microsoft is forcing everyone to use their software,
especially when it's not even fully accessible!
Usually, I use S Portable, which is a portable version of regular Skype 7 if
I remember correctly. Granted, I don't really like the interface there
either, especially as I have to use Task Manager to close the program, but
at least it's better than the one that my friend has on his laptop! I tried
it and got a headache! Here is the link to S Portable.

https://portableapps.com/apps/internet/sportable

Personally, I liked MSN/Windows Live Messenger better than all of the above,
as it was simple, fast, and in its earlier days, didn't include all sorts of
unnecessary features! Now, I must find an accessible alternative to Skype.
*sigh*

All the best,
Eleni

On 16/07/2018, Ervin, Glenn <glenn.ervin@nebraska.gov> wrote:
Does anyone here still use GW Connect?
Glenn

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sarah k
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Subject: [nvda] Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 -

https://www.thurrott.com/cloud/microsoft-consumer-services/skype/16333
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