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Re: I think Avast is a virus :-)

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The latest CCleaner does not allow unchecky to do anything. As I say i think they are getting wise and even if you do refuse any other installation, its sets a timer and installs it in the background later on. I wonder if recover is the same as I see that is on the other machine as well.
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From: "Brian Vogel" <britechguy@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, July 13, 2018 10:51 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] I think Avast is a virus :-)


CCleaner (Piriform as a whole) is now owned by Avast and "an offer" to install it comes with every CCleaner free install.

If you choose the "typical" installation you'll get it for sure. I tell everyone two things if they want to avoid the installation of software bundled with other software they want:

1. Get Unchecky ( https://unchecky.com/ ) , install it, and leave it there to do its job. It's resource footprint is minuscule.

2. Never take the "typical" install option. Always choose customize, which gives you the full view of what the installer intends to do at each step, including the installation of other bundled software, so that you can make intentional choices.

You do not need to purchase the paid version of CCleaner, or virtually any "free" program, to avoid the loathsome practice of bundling but you do need to NEVER take the "typical" install, at a minimum, and it's really helpful to use Unchecky in case you might happen to miss one of the checkboxes you'd need to uncheck to avoid having something you don't want installed.
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Re: I think Avast is a virus :-)

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I see no advertising. You can turn off the sharing data in its set up. it said this was to comply with GDPR, so maybe you have not done this.

I find myself saying that if a company has to go to such underhand lengths to sell its stuff its not very good at selling and I'd avoid it.
I seem to recall it was only about a year back that Ccleaner issued a version with malware in it, and I understand this was disgruntled staff after the take over.

It was not dangerous malware but I imagine was designed to stick two fingers up at avast.
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To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, July 13, 2018 10:35 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] I think Avast is a virus :-)


I guess this is the free version that’s doing this

As far as I can see the only way to stop automatic downloads is to buy the ccleaner product

Otherwise it cant be turned off along with all the advertising it pops up now 😃



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Sent: 13 July 2018 21:28
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Subject: [nvda] I think Avast is a virus :-)

I'm having terrible trouble stopping this anti virus once installed and
removed from making frequent attempts to reinstall itself. I have a
suspicion that Ccleaner is responsible for apparent random downloads in the
background without any input from a user. It then sits there and out of the
blue comes up as installing.

Does anyone know of a third party program that can spot this and actually
stop it. maybe an entry in Microsofts windows 7 firewall or something.
Unfortunately, the machine in question is a device used by both sighted and
blind, and its only when I get there and find this inaccessible over active
impossible to remove bit of so called anti virus software that I get very
annoyed. I want to make it absolutely impossible to install it.
Any ideas?
Brian

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Re: I think Avast is a virus :-)

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We are still assuming that ccleaner is the source, but the point is, for me to get the machine back into pristine condition will be so long winded when its in use every week would not be realistic. It needs to be patched. I bet the dropbox issue is some unregistered dll, and the other issues is a task somewhere charged with pestering the user. Since I have the same ccleaner here at home and have managed to keep sighted people off, it has also done its damage, but thus far I've managed to avoid any reinstalls of avast itself. I'm thinking of adding it to the firewall blocking but its knowing what to add that is the issue, cos I bet its not going to say its avast is it?
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From: "Shaun Everiss" <sm.everiss@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, July 13, 2018 9:38 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] I think Avast is a virus :-)


The easiest way is to not install it in the first place.

I guess you will just have to reformat to get rid of it.

Its a pitty ccleaner has gone this way, I still use it because its generally good and all I need to use is its cleaning function and most of the checkboxes are checked by default but to be honest, if this is its reality I don't know.




On 7/14/2018 8:28 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
I'm having terrible trouble stopping this anti virus once installed and removed from making frequent attempts to reinstall itself. I have a suspicion that Ccleaner is responsible for apparent random downloads in the background without any input from a user. It then sits there and out of the blue comes up as installing.

Does anyone know of a third party program that can spot this and actually stop it. maybe an entry in Microsofts windows 7 firewall or something.
Unfortunately, the machine in question is a device used by both sighted and blind, and its only when I get there and find this inaccessible over active impossible to remove bit of so called anti virus software that I get very annoyed. I want to make it absolutely impossible to install it.
Any ideas?
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Re: I think Avast is a virus :-)

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No you have to go to the ccleaner web site and click on the free version when you do an update. It never asks about anything else most of the time. Not even unchecky spots anything either.

In fact I've been running this version of Ccleaner for some weeks since mid June with no problems and no sign of avast until yesterday. I think its actually a task and one that only runs when a registry entry time period is past a certain time, say a month. At that point it uses the background to download the latest version of avast, then waits for the machine to be idle for a while and than then asks you to install, but even then I think its already installed and all it will do is to run its self and add the autostart to the start up process. The service and disabling of msse will be already done.
Its bad practice, arrogant and invasive.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <gsasner@ripco.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2018 1:01 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] I think Avast is a virus :-)


I would assume it would have installed when you installed CCleaner, not when you ran it. I'm not sure what caused to happen what appeared to happen. I don't use CCleaner and I don't know how it updates itself. In other words, if it updated the program, perhaps it installed Avast then but I'm just speculating.

Gene
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From: Desiree Oudinot
Sent: Friday, July 13, 2018 6:40 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] I think Avast is a virus :-)


I thought this as well, so it's very possible that I thought the offer got declined when it really wasn't. The odd thing is, Avast only installed after I ran CCleaner for the first time after a fresh installation. So, when exactly does Avast embed itself? I distinctly recall trying to uncheck the offer, thinking I had succeeded, and then going on to the next part of the setup process. Nothing was said about Avast at that point. It was only after I launched CCleaner after installation that it happened. I don't know if it would have continued to try and install afterwards; I switched to the portable version at that point, wanting no further parts of any forced offers.




On 7/13/2018 7:06 PM, Gene wrote:

I didn't say it wouldn't install Avast when you install CCleaner. But the original message said that CCleaner is periodically reinstalled after being uninstalled and it didn't say this only happened when a new version of CCleaner was installed.

If that happened as a general behavior, it would have caused tremendous outcry from those, sighted and blind, using CCleaner who had mistakenly installed Avast and then removed it. Where is that outcry?
Also, given the difficulty and inaccessibility of many decline parts of free software, I suspect that you thought you had declined it, but didn't.

Companies try to sneak software onto machines but the company that owns Avast and CCleaner wouldn't damage its reputation by doing something blatantly illegal such as having Avast installed even when a user specifically declined the offer. The company has a very good reputation and, if for no other reason, that's worth a lot of money.

Gene
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From: Desiree Oudinot
Sent: Friday, July 13, 2018 5:14 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] I think Avast is a virus :-)


Hi,

I very rarely post on this list, but this message warrants a response.




I, too, have had CCleaner install Avast even when I've declined the offer during installation. Once it's launched, it seems to do something in the background to install it. As a result, I began using the portable version of CCleaner to avoid this problem.




I believe this is unacceptable, but until now, had also never seen anyone discussing the issue, so I figured I had done something to trigger it. But perhaps not.




On 7/13/2018 4:35 PM, Gene wrote:

Then why has no other CCleaner user reported the problem not just on this list, but on the other two active Windows users lists I'm on? It doesn't seem plausible.

How have you tried to remove Avast in the past? And if you really think its CCleaner, why not completely remove CCleaner and see what happens?

But rather than do that, doing what I suggest below may yield the wanted result without doing unnecessary and likely ineffective work.

I don't know how you might stop it. the question may well be too specific and essoteric for the list. Why not ask somewhere like Bleeping Computer where geeks hang out to help with technical questions that range from simple to obscure.

Gene
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From: Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
Sent: Friday, July 13, 2018 3:28 PM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] I think Avast is a virus :-)


I'm having terrible trouble stopping this anti virus once installed and
removed from making frequent attempts to reinstall itself. I have a
suspicion that Ccleaner is responsible for apparent random downloads in the
background without any input from a user. It then sits there and out of the
blue comes up as installing.

Does anyone know of a third party program that can spot this and actually
stop it. maybe an entry in Microsofts windows 7 firewall or something.
Unfortunately, the machine in question is a device used by both sighted and
blind, and its only when I get there and find this inaccessible over active
impossible to remove bit of so called anti virus software that I get very
annoyed. I want to make it absolutely impossible to install it.
Any ideas?
Brian

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Re: I think Avast is a virus :-)

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I have also use superantispyware. As long as you use it from the tray icon you can get at things, but if it auto runs the screen never seems to get focus by default. Its a pity they cannot sort out these little focus and listing issues. However my old MSSe seems to still spot the nastier nastiest. I do not believe anyone can sit back and assume all is safe. I find that its the sighted who seem to have less likelihood of spotting their actions end in malware or whatever.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Stephen" <whocrazy@internode.on.net>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2018 6:43 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] I think Avast is a virus :-)


Actually, I just tried out Mallwarebytes today,
and I was quite impressed. I started a 14 day
trial of the premium version, and the
accessibility was better than I expected. It
still has a few rough edges though, but it is
usable for the most part. The instalation was
quite smooth and it's got a good customer
support base, the documentation goes out of it's
way to explain things in easy to understand
terminology without making it feel like they're dumbing things down.
Like I said, for the most part, it is usable,
there are still some minor niggles though, such
as when you go to enter your license code, you
aren't able to review the code that you've entered.
I haven't tried it with Jawas, er.. oops. I mean jaws though.
At 03:17 PM 7/14/2018, you wrote:
I agree about brain.exe.

99.9% of viruses unless you don't have a good script or add blocker that is are either installed by the user or come from scams, spam, scam calls and social enginiering attacks.

SSo yeah we have to use our heads.

I'd like to have something one could rely on, but with the bgt issues, I am sorry to say but antivirus even msse or windows defender is becoming more trouble than they are worth.

I have had to exclude bits of my drive, in fact I have had to exclude all external drives from all virus scans in case I need to transfer things up to them, ofcause if anyone puts something in an external drive which is a virus, there is a problem, then how would I know what I am getting is correct information.

I would really like a good security and utility suite again but I don't think one exists.

If old norton came back or something like it I would probably get it.

Automated things, well, the thing with ccleaner and others is the ability to run them easily from where ever I want rather than bothering round the place.




On 7/14/2018 1:02 PM, Tyler Wood wrote:
Avast, AVG, all decent antivirus programs have now turned into just as much of a resource hog as Mcafee. They've also became 100% inaccessible and these days, the number one key element is to always use brain.exe. Common sense, in other words.


C Cleaner portable will not install these things, I don't think. That might be yet another option to use if you don't want avast being thrown on the machine.


On 13-Jul-2018 6:55 PM, bob jutzi wrote:
Exactly my impressions of Avast and that's been 10 years ago.
From what I'm reading on here, things haven't exactly improved. The only thing worse is McAfee.
The Dell Inspiron desktop I purchased last year came with McAfee and I had no recourse but to first download all drivers, then completely install Windows 10 from scratch.

On 7/13/2018 7:43 PM, Jackie wrote:
I frankly have seldom, if ever, seen an antimalware program that has
real-time protection enabled be uninstalled using the Control Panel
w/o first stopping services. Sometimes you can go down to the systray
(Windows Key b), right click on the icon, & select exit from the
context menu. The program can then be uninstalled that way, ie, via
Control Panel. It all rather depends on the particular piece of
software, but these are techniques that can be of assistance.

On 7/13/18, Gene <gsasner@ripco.com> wrote:
not necessarily. When I've uninstalled antimalware programs in the past,
and read information from the manufacturer about how to do so, the ones I
have uninstalled have said to do so from Programs and Features first and if
that didn't work, to use something else like an uninstall tool.

You can't just turn off services antivirus programs use in many cases
because these services are monitored by the program's self-defence module.
That module is intended to keep malware from doing just that, turning off
the program so the malware can damage the program and infiltrate the machine
once the program is off.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Jackie
Sent: Friday, July 13, 2018 6:27 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] I think Avast is a virus :-)


In order to uninstall any antivirus software, you first have to stop
the service(s) that it uses. Please go to Control Panel >
Administrative Tools > Services & set any & all services associated
w/the software to disabled. Then stop the service.

On 7/13/18, Gene <gsasner@ripco.com> wrote:
I didn't say it wouldn't install Avast when you install CCleaner. But
the
original message said that CCleaner is periodically reinstalled after
being
uninstalled and it didn't say this only happened when a new version of
CCleaner was installed.

If that happened as a general behavior, it would have caused tremendous
outcry from those, sighted and blind, using CCleaner who had mistakenly
installed Avast and then removed it. Where is that outcry?
Also, given the difficulty and inaccessibility of many decline parts of
free
software, I suspect that you thought you had declined it, but didn't.

Companies try to sneak software onto machines but the company that owns
Avast and CCleaner wouldn't damage its reputation by doing something
blatantly illegal such as having Avast installed even when a user
specifically declined the offer. The company has a very good reputation
and, if for no other reason, that's worth a lot of money.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Desiree Oudinot
Sent: Friday, July 13, 2018 5:14 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] I think Avast is a virus :-)


Hi,

I very rarely post on this list, but this message warrants a response.




I, too, have had CCleaner install Avast even when I've declined the offer
during installation. Once it's launched, it seems to do something in the
background to install it. As a result, I began using the portable version
of
CCleaner to avoid this problem.




I believe this is unacceptable, but until now, had also never seen anyone
discussing the issue, so I figured I had done something to trigger it.
But
perhaps not.




On 7/13/2018 4:35 PM, Gene wrote:

  Then why has no other CCleaner user reported the problem not just on
this
list, but on the other two active Windows users lists I'm on? It doesn't
seem plausible.

  How have you tried to remove Avast in the past? And if you really
think
its CCleaner, why not completely remove CCleaner and see what happens?

  But rather than do that, doing what I suggest below may yield the
wanted
result without doing unnecessary and likely ineffective work.

  I don't know how you might stop it. the question may well be too
specific
and essoteric for the list. Why not ask somewhere like Bleeping Computer
where geeks hang out to help with technical questions that range from
simple
to obscure.

  Gene
  ----- Original Message -----

  From: Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
  Sent: Friday, July 13, 2018 3:28 PM
  To: nvda@groups.io
  Subject: [nvda] I think Avast is a virus :-)


  I'm having terrible trouble stopping this anti virus once installed and
  removed from making frequent attempts to reinstall itself. I have a
  suspicion that Ccleaner is responsible for apparent random downloads in
the
  background without any input from a user. It then sits there and out of
the
  blue comes up as installing.

  Does anyone know of a third party program that can spot this and
actually

  stop it. maybe an entry in Microsofts windows 7 firewall or something.
   Unfortunately, the machine in question is a device used by both
sighted
and
  blind, and its only when I get there and find this inaccessible over
active
  impossible to remove bit of so called anti virus software that I get
very

  annoyed. I want to make it absolutely impossible to install it.
   Any ideas?
   Brian

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Re: I think Avast is a virus :-)

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Yes the problem is they seem to be completely cavalier about us as a possible customer. if they fixed their access issues then maybe its worth it, but thus far Avast has given me more grief and possibly damaged windows merely because its inaccessible. The problem with my other machine is that as I said in my first post, as its used by sighted people too, many are inattentive and simply click first and then forget about it. I only encountered this because it asked to restart now or later when a sighted person was there trying to record audio. I immediately smelled a rat as all windows updates even dropbox have been disabled as we are on a mobile dongle internet connection and obviously the machine rebooting in the middle of a reading is hardly ideal.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Shaun Everiss" <sm.everiss@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2018 6:17 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] I think Avast is a virus :-)


I agree about brain.exe.

99.9% of viruses unless you don't have a good script or add blocker that is are either installed by the user or come from scams, spam, scam calls and social enginiering attacks.

SSo yeah we have to use our heads.

I'd like to have something one could rely on, but with the bgt issues, I am sorry to say but antivirus even msse or windows defender is becoming more trouble than they are worth.

I have had to exclude bits of my drive, in fact I have had to exclude all external drives from all virus scans in case I need to transfer things up to them, ofcause if anyone puts something in an external drive which is a virus, there is a problem, then how would I know what I am getting is correct information.

I would really like a good security and utility suite again but I don't think one exists.

If old norton came back or something like it I would probably get it.

Automated things, well, the thing with ccleaner and others is the ability to run them easily from where ever I want rather than bothering round the place.




On 7/14/2018 1:02 PM, Tyler Wood wrote:
Avast, AVG, all decent antivirus programs have now turned into just as much of a resource hog as Mcafee. They've also became 100% inaccessible and these days, the number one key element is to always use brain.exe. Common sense, in other words.


C Cleaner portable will not install these things, I don't think. That might be yet another option to use if you don't want avast being thrown on the machine.


On 13-Jul-2018 6:55 PM, bob jutzi wrote:
Exactly my impressions of Avast and that's been 10 years ago.
From what I'm reading on here, things haven't exactly improved. The only thing worse is McAfee.
The Dell Inspiron desktop I purchased last year came with McAfee and I had no recourse but to first download all drivers, then completely install Windows 10 from scratch.

On 7/13/2018 7:43 PM, Jackie wrote:
I frankly have seldom, if ever, seen an antimalware program that has
real-time protection enabled be uninstalled using the Control Panel
w/o first stopping services. Sometimes you can go down to the systray
(Windows Key b), right click on the icon, & select exit from the
context menu. The program can then be uninstalled that way, ie, via
Control Panel. It all rather depends on the particular piece of
software, but these are techniques that can be of assistance.

On 7/13/18, Gene <gsasner@ripco.com> wrote:
not necessarily. When I've uninstalled antimalware programs in the past,
and read information from the manufacturer about how to do so, the ones I
have uninstalled have said to do so from Programs and Features first and if
that didn't work, to use something else like an uninstall tool.

You can't just turn off services antivirus programs use in many cases
because these services are monitored by the program's self-defence module.
That module is intended to keep malware from doing just that, turning off
the program so the malware can damage the program and infiltrate the machine
once the program is off.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Jackie
Sent: Friday, July 13, 2018 6:27 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] I think Avast is a virus :-)


In order to uninstall any antivirus software, you first have to stop
the service(s) that it uses. Please go to Control Panel >
Administrative Tools > Services & set any & all services associated
w/the software to disabled. Then stop the service.

On 7/13/18, Gene <gsasner@ripco.com> wrote:
I didn't say it wouldn't install Avast when you install CCleaner. But
the
original message said that CCleaner is periodically reinstalled after
being
uninstalled and it didn't say this only happened when a new version of
CCleaner was installed.

If that happened as a general behavior, it would have caused tremendous
outcry from those, sighted and blind, using CCleaner who had mistakenly
installed Avast and then removed it. Where is that outcry?
Also, given the difficulty and inaccessibility of many decline parts of
free
software, I suspect that you thought you had declined it, but didn't.

Companies try to sneak software onto machines but the company that owns
Avast and CCleaner wouldn't damage its reputation by doing something
blatantly illegal such as having Avast installed even when a user
specifically declined the offer. The company has a very good reputation
and, if for no other reason, that's worth a lot of money.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Desiree Oudinot
Sent: Friday, July 13, 2018 5:14 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] I think Avast is a virus :-)


Hi,

I very rarely post on this list, but this message warrants a response.




I, too, have had CCleaner install Avast even when I've declined the offer
during installation. Once it's launched, it seems to do something in the
background to install it. As a result, I began using the portable version
of
CCleaner to avoid this problem.




I believe this is unacceptable, but until now, had also never seen anyone
discussing the issue, so I figured I had done something to trigger it.
But
perhaps not.




On 7/13/2018 4:35 PM, Gene wrote:

Then why has no other CCleaner user reported the problem not just on
this
list, but on the other two active Windows users lists I'm on? It doesn't
seem plausible.

How have you tried to remove Avast in the past? And if you really
think
its CCleaner, why not completely remove CCleaner and see what happens?

But rather than do that, doing what I suggest below may yield the
wanted
result without doing unnecessary and likely ineffective work.

I don't know how you might stop it. the question may well be too
specific
and essoteric for the list. Why not ask somewhere like Bleeping Computer
where geeks hang out to help with technical questions that range from
simple
to obscure.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
Sent: Friday, July 13, 2018 3:28 PM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] I think Avast is a virus :-)


I'm having terrible trouble stopping this anti virus once installed and
removed from making frequent attempts to reinstall itself. I have a
suspicion that Ccleaner is responsible for apparent random downloads in
the
background without any input from a user. It then sits there and out of
the
blue comes up as installing.

Does anyone know of a third party program that can spot this and
actually

stop it. maybe an entry in Microsofts windows 7 firewall or something.
Unfortunately, the machine in question is a device used by both
sighted
and
blind, and its only when I get there and find this inaccessible over
active
impossible to remove bit of so called anti virus software that I get
very

annoyed. I want to make it absolutely impossible to install it.
Any ideas?
Brian

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Re: I think Avast is a virus :-)

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Yes just try to disable the one for MSSe and you will see it comes back on again! Avast is far more cleave, even if you remove its files it has them soewhere else and puts them allback hence the reason avastclear has to run in safe mode.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <gsasner@ripco.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2018 12:36 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] I think Avast is a virus :-)


not necessarily. When I've uninstalled antimalware programs in the past, and read information from the manufacturer about how to do so, the ones I have uninstalled have said to do so from Programs and Features first and if that didn't work, to use something else like an uninstall tool.

You can't just turn off services antivirus programs use in many cases because these services are monitored by the program's self-defence module. That module is intended to keep malware from doing just that, turning off the program so the malware can damage the program and infiltrate the machine once the program is off.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Jackie
Sent: Friday, July 13, 2018 6:27 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] I think Avast is a virus :-)


In order to uninstall any antivirus software, you first have to stop
the service(s) that it uses. Please go to Control Panel >
Administrative Tools > Services & set any & all services associated
w/the software to disabled. Then stop the service.

On 7/13/18, Gene <gsasner@ripco.com> wrote:
I didn't say it wouldn't install Avast when you install CCleaner. But the
original message said that CCleaner is periodically reinstalled after being
uninstalled and it didn't say this only happened when a new version of
CCleaner was installed.

If that happened as a general behavior, it would have caused tremendous
outcry from those, sighted and blind, using CCleaner who had mistakenly
installed Avast and then removed it. Where is that outcry?
Also, given the difficulty and inaccessibility of many decline parts of free
software, I suspect that you thought you had declined it, but didn't.

Companies try to sneak software onto machines but the company that owns
Avast and CCleaner wouldn't damage its reputation by doing something
blatantly illegal such as having Avast installed even when a user
specifically declined the offer. The company has a very good reputation
and, if for no other reason, that's worth a lot of money.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Desiree Oudinot
Sent: Friday, July 13, 2018 5:14 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] I think Avast is a virus :-)


Hi,

I very rarely post on this list, but this message warrants a response.




I, too, have had CCleaner install Avast even when I've declined the offer
during installation. Once it's launched, it seems to do something in the
background to install it. As a result, I began using the portable version of
CCleaner to avoid this problem.




I believe this is unacceptable, but until now, had also never seen anyone
discussing the issue, so I figured I had done something to trigger it. But
perhaps not.




On 7/13/2018 4:35 PM, Gene wrote:

Then why has no other CCleaner user reported the problem not just on this
list, but on the other two active Windows users lists I'm on? It doesn't
seem plausible.

How have you tried to remove Avast in the past? And if you really think
its CCleaner, why not completely remove CCleaner and see what happens?

But rather than do that, doing what I suggest below may yield the wanted
result without doing unnecessary and likely ineffective work.

I don't know how you might stop it. the question may well be too specific
and essoteric for the list. Why not ask somewhere like Bleeping Computer
where geeks hang out to help with technical questions that range from simple
to obscure.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
Sent: Friday, July 13, 2018 3:28 PM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] I think Avast is a virus :-)


I'm having terrible trouble stopping this anti virus once installed and
removed from making frequent attempts to reinstall itself. I have a
suspicion that Ccleaner is responsible for apparent random downloads in
the
background without any input from a user. It then sits there and out of
the
blue comes up as installing.

Does anyone know of a third party program that can spot this and actually

stop it. maybe an entry in Microsofts windows 7 firewall or something.
Unfortunately, the machine in question is a device used by both sighted
and
blind, and its only when I get there and find this inaccessible over
active
impossible to remove bit of so called anti virus software that I get very

annoyed. I want to make it absolutely impossible to install it.
Any ideas?
Brian

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Re: I think Avast is a virus :-)

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Yes I know. It then reappears when you next reboot the machine even if you do not see it as a start up item.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Jackie" <abletec@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2018 12:27 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] I think Avast is a virus :-)


In order to uninstall any antivirus software, you first have to stop
the service(s) that it uses. Please go to Control Panel >
Administrative Tools > Services & set any & all services associated
w/the software to disabled. Then stop the service.

On 7/13/18, Gene <gsasner@ripco.com> wrote:
I didn't say it wouldn't install Avast when you install CCleaner. But the
original message said that CCleaner is periodically reinstalled after being
uninstalled and it didn't say this only happened when a new version of
CCleaner was installed.

If that happened as a general behavior, it would have caused tremendous
outcry from those, sighted and blind, using CCleaner who had mistakenly
installed Avast and then removed it. Where is that outcry?
Also, given the difficulty and inaccessibility of many decline parts of free
software, I suspect that you thought you had declined it, but didn't.

Companies try to sneak software onto machines but the company that owns
Avast and CCleaner wouldn't damage its reputation by doing something
blatantly illegal such as having Avast installed even when a user
specifically declined the offer. The company has a very good reputation
and, if for no other reason, that's worth a lot of money.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Desiree Oudinot
Sent: Friday, July 13, 2018 5:14 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] I think Avast is a virus :-)


Hi,

I very rarely post on this list, but this message warrants a response.




I, too, have had CCleaner install Avast even when I've declined the offer
during installation. Once it's launched, it seems to do something in the
background to install it. As a result, I began using the portable version of
CCleaner to avoid this problem.




I believe this is unacceptable, but until now, had also never seen anyone
discussing the issue, so I figured I had done something to trigger it. But
perhaps not.




On 7/13/2018 4:35 PM, Gene wrote:

Then why has no other CCleaner user reported the problem not just on this
list, but on the other two active Windows users lists I'm on? It doesn't
seem plausible.

How have you tried to remove Avast in the past? And if you really think
its CCleaner, why not completely remove CCleaner and see what happens?

But rather than do that, doing what I suggest below may yield the wanted
result without doing unnecessary and likely ineffective work.

I don't know how you might stop it. the question may well be too specific
and essoteric for the list. Why not ask somewhere like Bleeping Computer
where geeks hang out to help with technical questions that range from simple
to obscure.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
Sent: Friday, July 13, 2018 3:28 PM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] I think Avast is a virus :-)


I'm having terrible trouble stopping this anti virus once installed and
removed from making frequent attempts to reinstall itself. I have a
suspicion that Ccleaner is responsible for apparent random downloads in
the
background without any input from a user. It then sits there and out of
the
blue comes up as installing.

Does anyone know of a third party program that can spot this and actually

stop it. maybe an entry in Microsofts windows 7 firewall or something.
Unfortunately, the machine in question is a device used by both sighted
and
blind, and its only when I get there and find this inaccessible over
active
impossible to remove bit of so called anti virus software that I get very

annoyed. I want to make it absolutely impossible to install it.
Any ideas?
Brian

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Re: I think Avast is a virus :-)

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I'm sorry I do not agree with you. Maybe it is that their design of their offer is inaccessible. I cannot tell, but I think its not based on ccleaner updates but on a timer written to the registry, so nobody is going to know what triggered it to download it. it does this in the background and seemingly partially installs it as well, only writing the do you want this to auto start as its last task. Luckily this last time I had installed a register monitor and it came up and said, do you want avast to auto start went eye machine restarts, to which I said no, but by then all the files were back on and in their places and the avast service was running.
The program even hid the Microsoft security essentials protected icon.

So, I think while maybe not strictly a virus, it is sharp practice by doing these things they are making it look like its a very fast install, when its done it by stealth in the background.
There could even be a service in there that is still there when ccleaner is taken out. I doubt if its visible in the task scheduler. Even if it were, the current nvda crashes the task scheduler of windows in 7, which is a known issue, to run it you have to do so without nvda then run nvda afterwards once it is running.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <gsasner@ripco.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2018 12:06 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] I think Avast is a virus :-)


I didn't say it wouldn't install Avast when you install CCleaner. But the original message said that CCleaner is periodically reinstalled after being uninstalled and it didn't say this only happened when a new version of CCleaner was installed.

If that happened as a general behavior, it would have caused tremendous outcry from those, sighted and blind, using CCleaner who had mistakenly installed Avast and then removed it. Where is that outcry?
Also, given the difficulty and inaccessibility of many decline parts of free software, I suspect that you thought you had declined it, but didn't.

Companies try to sneak software onto machines but the company that owns Avast and CCleaner wouldn't damage its reputation by doing something blatantly illegal such as having Avast installed even when a user specifically declined the offer. The company has a very good reputation and, if for no other reason, that's worth a lot of money.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Desiree Oudinot
Sent: Friday, July 13, 2018 5:14 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] I think Avast is a virus :-)


Hi,

I very rarely post on this list, but this message warrants a response.




I, too, have had CCleaner install Avast even when I've declined the offer during installation. Once it's launched, it seems to do something in the background to install it. As a result, I began using the portable version of CCleaner to avoid this problem.




I believe this is unacceptable, but until now, had also never seen anyone discussing the issue, so I figured I had done something to trigger it. But perhaps not.




On 7/13/2018 4:35 PM, Gene wrote:

Then why has no other CCleaner user reported the problem not just on this list, but on the other two active Windows users lists I'm on? It doesn't seem plausible.

How have you tried to remove Avast in the past? And if you really think its CCleaner, why not completely remove CCleaner and see what happens?

But rather than do that, doing what I suggest below may yield the wanted result without doing unnecessary and likely ineffective work.

I don't know how you might stop it. the question may well be too specific and essoteric for the list. Why not ask somewhere like Bleeping Computer where geeks hang out to help with technical questions that range from simple to obscure.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
Sent: Friday, July 13, 2018 3:28 PM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] I think Avast is a virus :-)


I'm having terrible trouble stopping this anti virus once installed and
removed from making frequent attempts to reinstall itself. I have a
suspicion that Ccleaner is responsible for apparent random downloads in the
background without any input from a user. It then sits there and out of the
blue comes up as installing.

Does anyone know of a third party program that can spot this and actually
stop it. maybe an entry in Microsofts windows 7 firewall or something.
Unfortunately, the machine in question is a device used by both sighted and
blind, and its only when I get there and find this inaccessible over active
impossible to remove bit of so called anti virus software that I get very
annoyed. I want to make it absolutely impossible to install it.
Any ideas?
Brian

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Re: I think Avast is a virus :-)

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Actually Ccleaner can be tweaked so its reg cleaner only looks at the safe to remove clutter. actually to my mind its all the left over files and badly uninstalled context menu entries that it seems best at getting rid of, also I find it quite handy to keep the room used by system restore very low. It also shows you what add ons are in IE and Firefox and one can also see start up items and disable them as well. its all in the one place and has been, I think well designed. its not obvious that the avast problem is the thing ccleanerr is doing of course but they always used to insert in the registry no google or whatever offer until and a date in the registry. and I suspect that now they are owned by Avast they are working the same trick here, but I cannot find it in plain sight in the registry as it used to be before.

I also fear that the problem with the dropbox dialogues no longer reading are the fault of having had avast on the system, as its only the machines I have which had this issue that cannot read those QT5window thingies. Anyone else confirm that?
I am at least glad its not just me.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "JM Casey" <crystallogic@ca.inter.net>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, July 13, 2018 11:28 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] I think Avast is a virus :-)


Perhaps I'm missing something, but why do people like cCleaner so much that
it's worth having around despite all this other nonsense?



I installed it for a while on an old XP machine. It did some "cleaning" of
the registry and maybe my computer was ever so slightly faster at certain
tasks for a short period of time. Knowing what I think I know now, I
wouldn't voluntarily put a registry cleaner on my machine. Almost every tech
writer and website advises against it. The reason of course is that neither
Ccleaner nor any other programme understands you and your needs, or, really,
your registry, and why certain things might be there. I think you'd almost
be better off going through by hand when you uninstall a programme and
deleting all the entries left behind. Time-consuming, certainly, and still
potentially dangerous - but if you don't know what you are about, why muck
about with the registry anyway?







From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Desiree Oudinot
Sent: July 13, 2018 6:15 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] I think Avast is a virus :-)



Hi,

I very rarely post on this list, but this message warrants a response.



I, too, have had CCleaner install Avast even when I've declined the offer
during installation. Once it's launched, it seems to do something in the
background to install it. As a result, I began using the portable version of
CCleaner to avoid this problem.



I believe this is unacceptable, but until now, had also never seen anyone
discussing the issue, so I figured I had done something to trigger it. But
perhaps not.



On 7/13/2018 4:35 PM, Gene wrote:

Then why has no other CCleaner user reported the problem not just on this
list, but on the other two active Windows users lists I'm on? It doesn't
seem plausible.



How have you tried to remove Avast in the past? And if you really think its
CCleaner, why not completely remove CCleaner and see what happens?



But rather than do that, doing what I suggest below may yield the wanted
result without doing unnecessary and likely ineffective work.



I don't know how you might stop it. the question may well be too specific
and essoteric for the list. Why not ask somewhere like Bleeping Computer
where geeks hang out to help with technical questions that range from simple
to obscure.



Gene

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To: nvda@groups.io <mailto:nvda@groups.io>

Subject: [nvda] I think Avast is a virus :-)



I'm having terrible trouble stopping this anti virus once installed and
removed from making frequent attempts to reinstall itself. I have a
suspicion that Ccleaner is responsible for apparent random downloads in the
background without any input from a user. It then sits there and out of the
blue comes up as installing.

Does anyone know of a third party program that can spot this and actually
stop it. maybe an entry in Microsofts windows 7 firewall or something.
Unfortunately, the machine in question is a device used by both sighted and

blind, and its only when I get there and find this inaccessible over active
impossible to remove bit of so called anti virus software that I get very
annoyed. I want to make it absolutely impossible to install it.
Any ideas?
Brian

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Re: I think Avast is a virus :-)

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Well, the reason for asking here is that having mentioned it in other geeky places the general reply is. avast is probably one of the best anti virus programs there is, why would you wish to remove it? People on ordinary lists etc do not seem to realise the issue it gives blind users.

If nobody is interested I'll not mention it again
The fact is that I have uninstalled it, used avastclear to remove all files. Turned off auto updates in ccleaner and adjusted all settings in the new privacy tab of ccleaner to off so it will not any more share with them.
There seems, once this is done to be no silly running processes of avast running in the services as there always is when you just uninstall it.
I suspect that my sighted colleagues are the problem and if a little message comes up their reflex action is to click it so it goes away.
Hence my question about blocking it completely. Yes I'd need to do an audit and find out what might be doing it. Ccleaner is very handy however since what we do does produce a lot of useless files and debris.
Hope this clears it up.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <gsasner@ripco.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, July 13, 2018 9:35 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] I think Avast is a virus :-)


Then why has no other CCleaner user reported the problem not just on this list, but on the other two active Windows users lists I'm on? It doesn't seem plausible.

How have you tried to remove Avast in the past? And if you really think its CCleaner, why not completely remove CCleaner and see what happens?

But rather than do that, doing what I suggest below may yield the wanted result without doing unnecessary and likely ineffective work.

I don't know how you might stop it. the question may well be too specific and essoteric for the list. Why not ask somewhere like Bleeping Computer where geeks hang out to help with technical questions that range from simple to obscure.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
Sent: Friday, July 13, 2018 3:28 PM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] I think Avast is a virus :-)


I'm having terrible trouble stopping this anti virus once installed and
removed from making frequent attempts to reinstall itself. I have a
suspicion that Ccleaner is responsible for apparent random downloads in the
background without any input from a user. It then sits there and out of the
blue comes up as installing.

Does anyone know of a third party program that can spot this and actually
stop it. maybe an entry in Microsofts windows 7 firewall or something.
Unfortunately, the machine in question is a device used by both sighted and
blind, and its only when I get there and find this inaccessible over active
impossible to remove bit of so called anti virus software that I get very
annoyed. I want to make it absolutely impossible to install it.
Any ideas?
Brian

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Re: writing add ons:

Ralf Kefferpuetz
 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kenny Peyattt jr.
Sent: Samstag, 14. Juli 2018 01:25
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] writing add ons:

 

Hi I was thinking about writing a nvda add on for my printer software and I was wondering what programs I will need to write add ons with?

Kenny Peyatt jr.


Re: Edge to the desktop

Ron Canazzi
 

Hi Group,


I believe the original question for this thread before it drifted was how to create a shortcut on the desktop for Microsoft Edge in Windows 10.


Here is one way.


1.  Go to the run dialogue with Windows Key + R.

2.  type the line below:

shell:appsfolder

3.  This will open a list of all the installed programs--some of which are even partial installs or component installs--such as would exist in earlier versions of Windows.

4.  Use first letter navigation or type the first few letters of Microsoft Edge and then continue to scroll down to the listing.

5.  Press the context key (right click) and choose 'create shortcut.'

6.  Windows will tell you that it can't create a shortcut here and will prompt you to create one on the desktop.  Answer Yes.


You should be good to go.

On 7/13/2018 6:03 PM, ely.r@comcast.net wrote:
Had to look again how I did this. Not sure why MS hid the location as they did. Anyway, the link below is to a quick tutorial. When I found it, it was an ah ha been here moment.
Good luck,
Rick
https://www.tipsdotcom.com/microsoft-edge-desktop-shortcut.html

Dr. Rick Ely
TVI, Vision Consultant
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Florence, MA 01062
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Sent: Friday, July 13, 2018 4:57 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft Edge is Starting to Grow on Me.

I too am trying to use Edge more often. One question that I can't find the answer to is how to place a shortcut to Edge on the desktop. I see how to pin it to the start menu and task bar but not to the desktop. I tried finding the executable file for edge but can't even find that.







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Re: I think Avast is a virus :-)

Stephen
 

Actually, I just tried out Mallwarebytes today, and I was quite impressed. I started a 14 day trial of the premium version, and the accessibility was better than I expected. It still has a few rough edges though, but it is usable for the most part. The instalation was quite smooth and it's got a good customer support base, the documentation goes out of it's way to explain things in easy to understand terminology without making it feel like they're dumbing things down.
Like I said, for the most part, it is usable, there are still some minor niggles though, such as when you go to enter your license code, you aren't able to review the code that you've entered.
I haven't tried it with Jawas, er.. oops. I mean jaws though.

At 03:17 PM 7/14/2018, you wrote:
I agree about brain.exe.

99.9% of viruses unless you don't have a good script or add blocker that is are either installed by the user or come from scams, spam, scam calls and social enginiering attacks.

SSo yeah we have to use our heads.

I'd like to have something one could rely on, but with the bgt issues, I am sorry to say but antivirus even msse or windows defender is becoming more trouble than they are worth.

I have had to exclude bits of my drive, in fact I have had to exclude all external drives from all virus scans in case I need to transfer things up to them, ofcause if anyone puts something in an external drive which is a virus, there is a problem, then how would I know what I am getting is correct information.

I would really like a good security and utility suite again but I don't think one exists.

If old norton came back or something like it I would probably get it.

Automated things, well, the thing with ccleaner and others is the ability to run them easily from where ever I want rather than bothering round the place.




On 7/14/2018 1:02 PM, Tyler Wood wrote:
Avast, AVG, all decent antivirus programs have now turned into just as much of a resource hog as Mcafee. They've also became 100% inaccessible and these days, the number one key element is to always use brain.exe. Common sense, in other words.


C Cleaner portable will not install these things, I don't think. That might be yet another option to use if you don't want avast being thrown on the machine.


On 13-Jul-2018 6:55 PM, bob jutzi wrote:
Exactly my impressions of Avast and that's been 10 years ago.
From what I'm reading on here, things haven't exactly improved. The only thing worse is McAfee.
The Dell Inspiron desktop I purchased last year came with McAfee and I had no recourse but to first download all drivers, then completely install Windows 10 from scratch.

On 7/13/2018 7:43 PM, Jackie wrote:
I frankly have seldom, if ever, seen an antimalware program that has
real-time protection enabled be uninstalled using the Control Panel
w/o first stopping services. Sometimes you can go down to the systray
(Windows Key b), right click on the icon, & select exit from the
context menu. The program can then be uninstalled that way, ie, via
Control Panel. It all rather depends on the particular piece of
software, but these are techniques that can be of assistance.

On 7/13/18, Gene <gsasner@ripco.com> wrote:
not necessarily. When I've uninstalled antimalware programs in the past,
and read information from the manufacturer about how to do so, the ones I
have uninstalled have said to do so from Programs and Features first and if
that didn't work, to use something else like an uninstall tool.

You can't just turn off services antivirus programs use in many cases
because these services are monitored by the program's self-defence module.
That module is intended to keep malware from doing just that, turning off
the program so the malware can damage the program and infiltrate the machine
once the program is off.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Jackie
Sent: Friday, July 13, 2018 6:27 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] I think Avast is a virus :-)


In order to uninstall any antivirus software, you first have to stop
the service(s) that it uses. Please go to Control Panel >
Administrative Tools > Services & set any & all services associated
w/the software to disabled. Then stop the service.

On 7/13/18, Gene <gsasner@ripco.com> wrote:
I didn't say it wouldn't install Avast when you install CCleaner. But
the
original message said that CCleaner is periodically reinstalled after
being
uninstalled and it didn't say this only happened when a new version of
CCleaner was installed.

If that happened as a general behavior, it would have caused tremendous
outcry from those, sighted and blind, using CCleaner who had mistakenly
installed Avast and then removed it. Where is that outcry?
Also, given the difficulty and inaccessibility of many decline parts of
free
software, I suspect that you thought you had declined it, but didn't.

Companies try to sneak software onto machines but the company that owns
Avast and CCleaner wouldn't damage its reputation by doing something
blatantly illegal such as having Avast installed even when a user
specifically declined the offer. The company has a very good reputation
and, if for no other reason, that's worth a lot of money.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Desiree Oudinot
Sent: Friday, July 13, 2018 5:14 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] I think Avast is a virus :-)


Hi,

I very rarely post on this list, but this message warrants a response.




I, too, have had CCleaner install Avast even when I've declined the offer
during installation. Once it's launched, it seems to do something in the
background to install it. As a result, I began using the portable version
of
CCleaner to avoid this problem.




I believe this is unacceptable, but until now, had also never seen anyone
discussing the issue, so I figured I had done something to trigger it.
But
perhaps not.




On 7/13/2018 4:35 PM, Gene wrote:

  Then why has no other CCleaner user reported the problem not just on
this
list, but on the other two active Windows users lists I'm on? It doesn't
seem plausible.

  How have you tried to remove Avast in the past? And if you really
think
its CCleaner, why not completely remove CCleaner and see what happens?

  But rather than do that, doing what I suggest below may yield the
wanted
result without doing unnecessary and likely ineffective work.

  I don't know how you might stop it. the question may well be too
specific
and essoteric for the list. Why not ask somewhere like Bleeping Computer
where geeks hang out to help with technical questions that range from
simple
to obscure.

  Gene
  ----- Original Message -----

  From: Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
  Sent: Friday, July 13, 2018 3:28 PM
  To: nvda@groups.io
  Subject: [nvda] I think Avast is a virus :-)


  I'm having terrible trouble stopping this anti virus once installed and
  removed from making frequent attempts to reinstall itself. I have a
  suspicion that Ccleaner is responsible for apparent random downloads in
the
  background without any input from a user. It then sits there and out of
the
  blue comes up as installing.

  Does anyone know of a third party program that can spot this and
actually

  stop it. maybe an entry in Microsofts windows 7 firewall or something.
   Unfortunately, the machine in question is a device used by both
sighted
and
  blind, and its only when I get there and find this inaccessible over
active
  impossible to remove bit of so called anti virus software that I get
very

  annoyed. I want to make it absolutely impossible to install it.
   Any ideas?
   Brian

  bglists@blueyonder.co.uk
  Sent via blueyonder.
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Re: NVDA and Skype

Sarah k Alawami
 

Windows b is the notification area. I forgot what  I said but I think I said hit windows b, navigate right once, then hit s until you find   speakers, now hit the applications key and hit s for wound. Control tab to communications and choose the do nothing  radio button. I think that’s what I said, I hope?

On Jul 13, 2018, at 3:47 PM, Pascal Lambert <rambeau68@...> wrote:

Hi Sarah,
Pardon my ignorance.  What do you mean by “hot Window B”?
When I type “window-B” within Skype it takes me back to the desktop tray.
Please clarify.
Very much appreciated.
Pascal    
 
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sarah k Alawami
Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2018 1:20 PM
To: Nvda List <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Skype
 
Id you check your communications properties? I had that problem until I set it to none.
 
1. Hot windows b
2. Go to speaker and hit the context key
3. Control tab to communications
4. Set the radio button to none and hit ok.
 
Take care


On Jul 12, 2018, at 12:03 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io <bglists@...> wrote:
 
Well that is a strange one. Does this mean all sounds are muted all the time?

I used to find it annoying that Skype took control of inputs and outputs every time I ran it and then forgot to put stuff back when you had finished. As I mostly use line level this was really annoying.
I seldom use Skype these days. many people I know tend to use their mobile for Skype now to leave their desktop unpoluted, so to speak!

Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Pascal Lambert" <
rambeau68@...>
To: <
nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2018 2:39 AM
Subject: [nvda] NVDA and Skype


Hi All,
I just installed Skype and when I tried to set up the audio, my Jay Lab speakers went silent producing a humming sound.  I am new to using Skype and I would appreciate any suggestion and/or feedback.  Is there a more accessible version of Skype?  Is there a tutorial for using Skype with NVDA?
Many thanks
Blessings
Pascal


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Rui Fontes
Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2018 6:58 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Focus40 or other Braille displays

In the UserGuide is the link to download the Focus driver from Freedom Scientific pages...

Regards,

Rui Fontes


Às 22:59 de 11/07/2018, Moty Azrad escreveu:

Hi,

Tell your friend that he/she, has to install the correct driver for FOCUS40, after the installation the Focus Braille display can appear in the list of the Braille displays. Then, to choose it and go on.
I've some friends here that work with NVDA and FOCUS40 and it works fine for them.

Good luck

Moti



Moti Azrad
Musician and Piano Tuner
motia@...
motiaz@...
azrad_moty@...
ISRAEL

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Lisa P Geibel
Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2018 00:38
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA and Focus40 or other Braille displays

Hi,

I'm sorry if this has been discussed before and I'm rehashing it, but
a friend of mine was curious if NVDA worked with the Focus40? Does it
bring up a list of displays to choose from and how well does it work
with Braille displays if anyone here has this knowledge, I'd really
appreciate info for my friend? Thanks and again, sorry for bringing
this up again.

















 



Re: I think Avast is a virus :-)

Gene
 

it was supported and it isn't a question of security in later versions of Windows.  The self defense system was operating in the program itself.  Windows defenses have nothing to do with the internal security in antivirus programs.  Also, Avast still supports XP. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Jackie
Sent: Friday, July 13, 2018 10:20 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] I think Avast is a virus :-)

Perhaps that's because XP doesn't have some of the security
capabilities of Windows 7, 8, & 10. Seems as though it would've been
unsupported at the time you uninstalled it, in fact.

On 7/13/18, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
> I'm not sure how accessible Avast is now.  It was useable a number of years
> ago but in the last few years, accessibility may have declined to the point
> where it may not be useable enough.  You can still download a version that
> is a number of years old and use it and I think it is adequate.  I think
> most changes in the last few years have been cosmetic, layout and additional
> feature changes   But even about four years ago, it was annoying in many
> respects.
>
> Gene
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: bob jutzi
> Sent: Friday, July 13, 2018 6:55 PM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] I think Avast is a virus :-)
>
>
> Exactly my impressions of Avast and that's been 10 years ago.
>  From what I'm reading on here, things haven't exactly improved.  The
> only thing worse is McAfee.
> The Dell Inspiron desktop I purchased last year came with McAfee and I
> had no recourse but to first download all drivers, then completely
> install Windows 10 from scratch.
>
> On 7/13/2018 7:43 PM, Jackie wrote:
>> I frankly have seldom, if ever, seen an antimalware program that has
>> real-time protection enabled be uninstalled using the Control Panel
>> w/o first stopping services. Sometimes you can go down to the systray
>> (Windows Key b), right click on the icon, & select exit from the
>> context menu. The program can then be uninstalled that way, ie, via
>> Control Panel. It all rather depends on the particular piece of
>> software, but these are techniques that can be of assistance.
>>
>> On 7/13/18, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
>>> not necessarily.  When I've uninstalled antimalware programs in the
>>> past,
>>> and read information from the manufacturer about how to do so, the ones
>>> I
>>> have uninstalled have said to do so from Programs and Features first and
>>> if
>>> that didn't work, to use something else like an uninstall tool.
>>>
>>> You can't just turn off services antivirus programs use in many cases
>>> because these services are monitored by the program's self-defence
>>> module.
>>> That module is intended to keep malware from doing just that, turning
>>> off
>>> the program so the malware can damage the program and infiltrate the
>>> machine
>>> once the program is off.
>>>
>>> Gene
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>
>>> From: Jackie
>>> Sent: Friday, July 13, 2018 6:27 PM
>>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>>> Subject: Re: [nvda] I think Avast is a virus :-)
>>>
>>>
>>> In order to uninstall any antivirus software, you first have to stop
>>> the service(s) that it uses. Please go to Control Panel >
>>> Administrative Tools > Services & set any & all services associated
>>> w/the software to disabled. Then stop the service.
>>>
>>> On 7/13/18, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
>>>> I didn't say it wouldn't install Avast when you install CCleaner.  But
>>>> the
>>>> original message said that CCleaner is periodically reinstalled after
>>>> being
>>>> uninstalled and it didn't say this only happened when a new version of
>>>> CCleaner was installed.
>>>>
>>>> If that happened as a general behavior, it would have caused tremendous
>>>> outcry from those, sighted and blind, using CCleaner who had mistakenly
>>>> installed Avast and then removed it.  Where is that outcry?
>>>> Also, given the difficulty and inaccessibility of many decline parts of
>>>> free
>>>> software, I suspect that you thought you had declined it, but didn't.
>>>>
>>>> Companies try to sneak software onto machines but the company that owns
>>>> Avast and CCleaner wouldn't damage its reputation by doing something
>>>> blatantly illegal such as having Avast installed even when a user
>>>> specifically declined the offer.  The company has a very good
>>>> reputation
>>>> and, if for no other reason, that's worth a lot of money.
>>>>
>>>> Gene
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>
>>>> From: Desiree Oudinot
>>>> Sent: Friday, July 13, 2018 5:14 PM
>>>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>>>> Subject: Re: [nvda] I think Avast is a virus :-)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> I very rarely post on this list, but this message warrants a response.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I, too, have had CCleaner install Avast even when I've declined the
>>>> offer
>>>> during installation. Once it's launched, it seems to do something in
>>>> the
>>>> background to install it. As a result, I began using the portable
>>>> version
>>>> of
>>>> CCleaner to avoid this problem.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I believe this is unacceptable, but until now, had also never seen
>>>> anyone
>>>> discussing the issue, so I figured I had done something to trigger it.
>>>> But
>>>> perhaps not.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 7/13/2018 4:35 PM, Gene wrote:
>>>>
>>>>    Then why has no other CCleaner user reported the problem not just on
>>>> this
>>>> list, but on the other two active Windows users lists I'm on?  It
>>>> doesn't
>>>> seem plausible.
>>>>
>>>>    How have you tried to remove Avast in the past?  And if you really
>>>> think
>>>> its CCleaner, why not completely remove CCleaner and see what happens?
>>>>
>>>>    But rather than do that, doing what I suggest below may yield the
>>>> wanted
>>>> result without doing unnecessary and likely ineffective work.
>>>>
>>>>    I don't know how you might stop it.  the question may well be too
>>>> specific
>>>> and essoteric for the list.  Why not ask somewhere like Bleeping
>>>> Computer
>>>> where geeks hang out to help with technical questions that range from
>>>> simple
>>>> to obscure.
>>>>
>>>>    Gene
>>>>    ----- Original Message -----
>>>>
>>>>    From: Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
>>>>    Sent: Friday, July 13, 2018 3:28 PM
>>>>    To: nvda@groups.io
>>>>    Subject: [nvda] I think Avast is a virus :-)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>    I'm having terrible trouble stopping this anti virus once installed
>>>> and
>>>>    removed from making frequent attempts to reinstall itself. I have a
>>>>    suspicion that Ccleaner is responsible for apparent random downloads
>>>> in
>>>> the
>>>>    background without any input from a user. It then sits there and out
>>>> of
>>>> the
>>>>    blue  comes up as installing.
>>>>
>>>>    Does anyone know of a third party program that can spot this and
>>>> actually
>>>>
>>>>    stop it. maybe an entry in Microsofts windows 7 firewall or
>>>> something.
>>>>     Unfortunately, the machine in question is a device used by both
>>>> sighted
>>>> and
>>>>    blind, and its only when I get there and find this inaccessible over
>>>> active
>>>>    impossible to remove bit of so called anti virus software that  I
>>>> get
>>>> very
>>>>
>>>>    annoyed. I want to make it absolutely impossible to install it.
>>>>     Any ideas?
>>>>     Brian
>>>>
>>>>    bglists@...
>>>>    Sent via blueyonder.
>>>>    Please address personal E-mail to:-
>>>>    briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
>>>>    in the display name field.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>>
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>>>
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>>
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>
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Re: I think Avast is a virus :-)

 

I agree about brain.exe.

99.9% of viruses unless you don't have a good script or add blocker that is are either installed by the user or come from scams, spam, scam calls and social enginiering attacks.

SSo yeah we have to use our heads.

I'd like to have something one could rely on, but with the bgt issues, I am sorry to say but antivirus even msse or windows defender is becoming more trouble than they are worth.

I have had to exclude bits of my drive, in fact I have had to exclude all external drives from all virus scans in case I need to transfer things up to them, ofcause if anyone puts something in an external drive which is a virus, there is a problem, then how would I know what I am getting is correct information.

I would really like a good security and utility suite again but I don't think one exists.

If old norton came back or something like it I would probably get it.

Automated things, well, the thing with ccleaner and others is the ability to run them easily from where ever I want rather than bothering round the place.

On 7/14/2018 1:02 PM, Tyler Wood wrote:
Avast, AVG, all decent antivirus programs have now turned into just as much of a resource hog as Mcafee. They've also became 100% inaccessible and these days, the number one key element is to always use brain.exe. Common sense, in other words.


C Cleaner portable will not install these things, I don't think. That might be yet another option to use if you don't want avast being thrown on the machine.


On 13-Jul-2018 6:55 PM, bob jutzi wrote:
Exactly my impressions of Avast and that's been 10 years ago.
From what I'm reading on here, things haven't exactly improved. The only thing worse is McAfee.
The Dell Inspiron desktop I purchased last year came with McAfee and I had no recourse but to first download all drivers, then completely install Windows 10 from scratch.

On 7/13/2018 7:43 PM, Jackie wrote:
I frankly have seldom, if ever, seen an antimalware program that has
real-time protection enabled be uninstalled using the Control Panel
w/o first stopping services. Sometimes you can go down to the systray
(Windows Key b), right click on the icon, & select exit from the
context menu. The program can then be uninstalled that way, ie, via
Control Panel. It all rather depends on the particular piece of
software, but these are techniques that can be of assistance.

On 7/13/18, Gene <gsasner@ripco.com> wrote:
not necessarily.  When I've uninstalled antimalware programs in the past,
and read information from the manufacturer about how to do so, the ones I
have uninstalled have said to do so from Programs and Features first and if
that didn't work, to use something else like an uninstall tool.

You can't just turn off services antivirus programs use in many cases
because these services are monitored by the program's self-defence module.
That module is intended to keep malware from doing just that, turning off
the program so the malware can damage the program and infiltrate the machine
once the program is off.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Jackie
Sent: Friday, July 13, 2018 6:27 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] I think Avast is a virus :-)


In order to uninstall any antivirus software, you first have to stop
the service(s) that it uses. Please go to Control Panel >
Administrative Tools > Services & set any & all services associated
w/the software to disabled. Then stop the service.

On 7/13/18, Gene <gsasner@ripco.com> wrote:
I didn't say it wouldn't install Avast when you install CCleaner.  But
the
original message said that CCleaner is periodically reinstalled after
being
uninstalled and it didn't say this only happened when a new version of
CCleaner was installed.

If that happened as a general behavior, it would have caused tremendous
outcry from those, sighted and blind, using CCleaner who had mistakenly
installed Avast and then removed it.  Where is that outcry?
Also, given the difficulty and inaccessibility of many decline parts of
free
software, I suspect that you thought you had declined it, but didn't.

Companies try to sneak software onto machines but the company that owns
Avast and CCleaner wouldn't damage its reputation by doing something
blatantly illegal such as having Avast installed even when a user
specifically declined the offer.  The company has a very good reputation
and, if for no other reason, that's worth a lot of money.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Desiree Oudinot
Sent: Friday, July 13, 2018 5:14 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] I think Avast is a virus :-)


Hi,

I very rarely post on this list, but this message warrants a response.




I, too, have had CCleaner install Avast even when I've declined the offer
during installation. Once it's launched, it seems to do something in the
background to install it. As a result, I began using the portable version
of
CCleaner to avoid this problem.




I believe this is unacceptable, but until now, had also never seen anyone
discussing the issue, so I figured I had done something to trigger it.
But
perhaps not.




On 7/13/2018 4:35 PM, Gene wrote:

   Then why has no other CCleaner user reported the problem not just on
this
list, but on the other two active Windows users lists I'm on?  It doesn't
seem plausible.

   How have you tried to remove Avast in the past?  And if you really
think
its CCleaner, why not completely remove CCleaner and see what happens?

   But rather than do that, doing what I suggest below may yield the
wanted
result without doing unnecessary and likely ineffective work.

   I don't know how you might stop it.  the question may well be too
specific
and essoteric for the list.  Why not ask somewhere like Bleeping Computer
where geeks hang out to help with technical questions that range from
simple
to obscure.

   Gene
   ----- Original Message -----

   From: Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
   Sent: Friday, July 13, 2018 3:28 PM
   To: nvda@groups.io
   Subject: [nvda] I think Avast is a virus :-)


   I'm having terrible trouble stopping this anti virus once installed and
   removed from making frequent attempts to reinstall itself. I have a
   suspicion that Ccleaner is responsible for apparent random downloads in
the
   background without any input from a user. It then sits there and out of
the
   blue  comes up as installing.

   Does anyone know of a third party program that can spot this and
actually

   stop it. maybe an entry in Microsofts windows 7 firewall or something.
    Unfortunately, the machine in question is a device used by both
sighted
and
   blind, and its only when I get there and find this inaccessible over
active
   impossible to remove bit of so called anti virus software that  I get
very

   annoyed. I want to make it absolutely impossible to install it.
    Any ideas?
    Brian

   bglists@blueyonder.co.uk
   Sent via blueyonder.
   Please address personal E-mail to:-
   briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff'
   in the display name field.










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.


Re: I think Avast is a virus :-)

Jackie
 

Perhaps that's because XP doesn't have some of the security
capabilities of Windows 7, 8, & 10. Seems as though it would've been
unsupported at the time you uninstalled it, in fact.

On 7/13/18, Gene <gsasner@ripco.com> wrote:
I'm not sure how accessible Avast is now. It was useable a number of years
ago but in the last few years, accessibility may have declined to the point
where it may not be useable enough. You can still download a version that
is a number of years old and use it and I think it is adequate. I think
most changes in the last few years have been cosmetic, layout and additional
feature changes But even about four years ago, it was annoying in many
respects.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: bob jutzi
Sent: Friday, July 13, 2018 6:55 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] I think Avast is a virus :-)


Exactly my impressions of Avast and that's been 10 years ago.
From what I'm reading on here, things haven't exactly improved. The
only thing worse is McAfee.
The Dell Inspiron desktop I purchased last year came with McAfee and I
had no recourse but to first download all drivers, then completely
install Windows 10 from scratch.

On 7/13/2018 7:43 PM, Jackie wrote:
I frankly have seldom, if ever, seen an antimalware program that has
real-time protection enabled be uninstalled using the Control Panel
w/o first stopping services. Sometimes you can go down to the systray
(Windows Key b), right click on the icon, & select exit from the
context menu. The program can then be uninstalled that way, ie, via
Control Panel. It all rather depends on the particular piece of
software, but these are techniques that can be of assistance.

On 7/13/18, Gene <gsasner@ripco.com> wrote:
not necessarily. When I've uninstalled antimalware programs in the
past,
and read information from the manufacturer about how to do so, the ones
I
have uninstalled have said to do so from Programs and Features first and
if
that didn't work, to use something else like an uninstall tool.

You can't just turn off services antivirus programs use in many cases
because these services are monitored by the program's self-defence
module.
That module is intended to keep malware from doing just that, turning
off
the program so the malware can damage the program and infiltrate the
machine
once the program is off.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Jackie
Sent: Friday, July 13, 2018 6:27 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] I think Avast is a virus :-)


In order to uninstall any antivirus software, you first have to stop
the service(s) that it uses. Please go to Control Panel >
Administrative Tools > Services & set any & all services associated
w/the software to disabled. Then stop the service.

On 7/13/18, Gene <gsasner@ripco.com> wrote:
I didn't say it wouldn't install Avast when you install CCleaner. But
the
original message said that CCleaner is periodically reinstalled after
being
uninstalled and it didn't say this only happened when a new version of
CCleaner was installed.

If that happened as a general behavior, it would have caused tremendous
outcry from those, sighted and blind, using CCleaner who had mistakenly
installed Avast and then removed it. Where is that outcry?
Also, given the difficulty and inaccessibility of many decline parts of
free
software, I suspect that you thought you had declined it, but didn't.

Companies try to sneak software onto machines but the company that owns
Avast and CCleaner wouldn't damage its reputation by doing something
blatantly illegal such as having Avast installed even when a user
specifically declined the offer. The company has a very good
reputation
and, if for no other reason, that's worth a lot of money.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Desiree Oudinot
Sent: Friday, July 13, 2018 5:14 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] I think Avast is a virus :-)


Hi,

I very rarely post on this list, but this message warrants a response.




I, too, have had CCleaner install Avast even when I've declined the
offer
during installation. Once it's launched, it seems to do something in
the
background to install it. As a result, I began using the portable
version
of
CCleaner to avoid this problem.




I believe this is unacceptable, but until now, had also never seen
anyone
discussing the issue, so I figured I had done something to trigger it.
But
perhaps not.




On 7/13/2018 4:35 PM, Gene wrote:

Then why has no other CCleaner user reported the problem not just on
this
list, but on the other two active Windows users lists I'm on? It
doesn't
seem plausible.

How have you tried to remove Avast in the past? And if you really
think
its CCleaner, why not completely remove CCleaner and see what happens?

But rather than do that, doing what I suggest below may yield the
wanted
result without doing unnecessary and likely ineffective work.

I don't know how you might stop it. the question may well be too
specific
and essoteric for the list. Why not ask somewhere like Bleeping
Computer
where geeks hang out to help with technical questions that range from
simple
to obscure.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
Sent: Friday, July 13, 2018 3:28 PM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] I think Avast is a virus :-)


I'm having terrible trouble stopping this anti virus once installed
and
removed from making frequent attempts to reinstall itself. I have a
suspicion that Ccleaner is responsible for apparent random downloads
in
the
background without any input from a user. It then sits there and out
of
the
blue comes up as installing.

Does anyone know of a third party program that can spot this and
actually

stop it. maybe an entry in Microsofts windows 7 firewall or
something.
Unfortunately, the machine in question is a device used by both
sighted
and
blind, and its only when I get there and find this inaccessible over
active
impossible to remove bit of so called anti virus software that I
get
very

annoyed. I want to make it absolutely impossible to install it.
Any ideas?
Brian

bglists@blueyonder.co.uk
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal E-mail to:-
briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.










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Helping Cybercrime Victims 1 Person at a Time
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Re: I think Avast is a virus :-)

Gene
 

I'm not sure how accessible Avast is now.  It was useable a number of years ago but in the last few years, accessibility may have declined to the point where it may not be useable enough.  You can still download a version that is a number of years old and use it and I think it is adequate.  I think most changes in the last few years have been cosmetic, layout and additional feature changes   But even about four years ago, it was annoying in many respects.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: bob jutzi
Sent: Friday, July 13, 2018 6:55 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] I think Avast is a virus :-)

Exactly my impressions of Avast and that's been 10 years ago.
 From what I'm reading on here, things haven't exactly improved.  The
only thing worse is McAfee.
The Dell Inspiron desktop I purchased last year came with McAfee and I
had no recourse but to first download all drivers, then completely
install Windows 10 from scratch.

On 7/13/2018 7:43 PM, Jackie wrote:
> I frankly have seldom, if ever, seen an antimalware program that has
> real-time protection enabled be uninstalled using the Control Panel
> w/o first stopping services. Sometimes you can go down to the systray
> (Windows Key b), right click on the icon, & select exit from the
> context menu. The program can then be uninstalled that way, ie, via
> Control Panel. It all rather depends on the particular piece of
> software, but these are techniques that can be of assistance.
>
> On 7/13/18, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
>> not necessarily.  When I've uninstalled antimalware programs in the past,
>> and read information from the manufacturer about how to do so, the ones I
>> have uninstalled have said to do so from Programs and Features first and if
>> that didn't work, to use something else like an uninstall tool.
>>
>> You can't just turn off services antivirus programs use in many cases
>> because these services are monitored by the program's self-defence module.
>> That module is intended to keep malware from doing just that, turning off
>> the program so the malware can damage the program and infiltrate the machine
>> once the program is off.
>>
>> Gene
>> ----- Original Message -----
>>
>> From: Jackie
>> Sent: Friday, July 13, 2018 6:27 PM
>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>> Subject: Re: [nvda] I think Avast is a virus :-)
>>
>>
>> In order to uninstall any antivirus software, you first have to stop
>> the service(s) that it uses. Please go to Control Panel >
>> Administrative Tools > Services & set any & all services associated
>> w/the software to disabled. Then stop the service.
>>
>> On 7/13/18, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
>>> I didn't say it wouldn't install Avast when you install CCleaner.  But
>>> the
>>> original message said that CCleaner is periodically reinstalled after
>>> being
>>> uninstalled and it didn't say this only happened when a new version of
>>> CCleaner was installed.
>>>
>>> If that happened as a general behavior, it would have caused tremendous
>>> outcry from those, sighted and blind, using CCleaner who had mistakenly
>>> installed Avast and then removed it.  Where is that outcry?
>>> Also, given the difficulty and inaccessibility of many decline parts of
>>> free
>>> software, I suspect that you thought you had declined it, but didn't.
>>>
>>> Companies try to sneak software onto machines but the company that owns
>>> Avast and CCleaner wouldn't damage its reputation by doing something
>>> blatantly illegal such as having Avast installed even when a user
>>> specifically declined the offer.  The company has a very good reputation
>>> and, if for no other reason, that's worth a lot of money.
>>>
>>> Gene
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>
>>> From: Desiree Oudinot
>>> Sent: Friday, July 13, 2018 5:14 PM
>>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>>> Subject: Re: [nvda] I think Avast is a virus :-)
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I very rarely post on this list, but this message warrants a response.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I, too, have had CCleaner install Avast even when I've declined the offer
>>> during installation. Once it's launched, it seems to do something in the
>>> background to install it. As a result, I began using the portable version
>>> of
>>> CCleaner to avoid this problem.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I believe this is unacceptable, but until now, had also never seen anyone
>>> discussing the issue, so I figured I had done something to trigger it.
>>> But
>>> perhaps not.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 7/13/2018 4:35 PM, Gene wrote:
>>>
>>>    Then why has no other CCleaner user reported the problem not just on
>>> this
>>> list, but on the other two active Windows users lists I'm on?  It doesn't
>>> seem plausible.
>>>
>>>    How have you tried to remove Avast in the past?  And if you really
>>> think
>>> its CCleaner, why not completely remove CCleaner and see what happens?
>>>
>>>    But rather than do that, doing what I suggest below may yield the
>>> wanted
>>> result without doing unnecessary and likely ineffective work.
>>>
>>>    I don't know how you might stop it.  the question may well be too
>>> specific
>>> and essoteric for the list.  Why not ask somewhere like Bleeping Computer
>>> where geeks hang out to help with technical questions that range from
>>> simple
>>> to obscure.
>>>
>>>    Gene
>>>    ----- Original Message -----
>>>
>>>    From: Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
>>>    Sent: Friday, July 13, 2018 3:28 PM
>>>    To: nvda@groups.io
>>>    Subject: [nvda] I think Avast is a virus :-)
>>>
>>>
>>>    I'm having terrible trouble stopping this anti virus once installed and
>>>    removed from making frequent attempts to reinstall itself. I have a
>>>    suspicion that Ccleaner is responsible for apparent random downloads in
>>> the
>>>    background without any input from a user. It then sits there and out of
>>> the
>>>    blue  comes up as installing.
>>>
>>>    Does anyone know of a third party program that can spot this and
>>> actually
>>>
>>>    stop it. maybe an entry in Microsofts windows 7 firewall or something.
>>>     Unfortunately, the machine in question is a device used by both
>>> sighted
>>> and
>>>    blind, and its only when I get there and find this inaccessible over
>>> active
>>>    impossible to remove bit of so called anti virus software that  I get
>>> very
>>>
>>>    annoyed. I want to make it absolutely impossible to install it.
>>>     Any ideas?
>>>     Brian
>>>
>>>    bglists@...
>>>    Sent via blueyonder.
>>>    Please address personal E-mail to:-
>>>    briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
>>>    in the display name field.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
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>> Remember! Friends Help Friends Be Cybersafe
>> Jackie McBride
>> Helping Cybercrime Victims 1 Person at a Time
>> https://brighter-vision.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>




Re: I think Avast is a virus :-)

Gene
 

I uninstalled Avast without stopping services using Add/Remove programs in XP about a year ago.  I haven't read removal instructions, that I recall for the few other programs I read about that specified that this be done. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Jackie
Sent: Friday, July 13, 2018 6:43 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] I think Avast is a virus :-)

I frankly have seldom, if ever, seen an antimalware program that has
real-time protection enabled be uninstalled using the Control Panel
w/o first stopping services. Sometimes you can go down to the systray
(Windows Key b), right click on the icon, & select exit from the
context menu. The program can then be uninstalled that way, ie, via
Control Panel. It all rather depends on the particular piece of
software, but these are techniques that can be of assistance.

On 7/13/18, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
> not necessarily.  When I've uninstalled antimalware programs in the past,
> and read information from the manufacturer about how to do so, the ones I
> have uninstalled have said to do so from Programs and Features first and if
> that didn't work, to use something else like an uninstall tool.
>
> You can't just turn off services antivirus programs use in many cases
> because these services are monitored by the program's self-defence module.
> That module is intended to keep malware from doing just that, turning off
> the program so the malware can damage the program and infiltrate the machine
> once the program is off.
>
> Gene
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: Jackie
> Sent: Friday, July 13, 2018 6:27 PM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] I think Avast is a virus :-)
>
>
> In order to uninstall any antivirus software, you first have to stop
> the service(s) that it uses. Please go to Control Panel >
> Administrative Tools > Services & set any & all services associated
> w/the software to disabled. Then stop the service.
>
> On 7/13/18, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
>> I didn't say it wouldn't install Avast when you install CCleaner.  But
>> the
>> original message said that CCleaner is periodically reinstalled after
>> being
>> uninstalled and it didn't say this only happened when a new version of
>> CCleaner was installed.
>>
>> If that happened as a general behavior, it would have caused tremendous
>> outcry from those, sighted and blind, using CCleaner who had mistakenly
>> installed Avast and then removed it.  Where is that outcry?
>> Also, given the difficulty and inaccessibility of many decline parts of
>> free
>> software, I suspect that you thought you had declined it, but didn't.
>>
>> Companies try to sneak software onto machines but the company that owns
>> Avast and CCleaner wouldn't damage its reputation by doing something
>> blatantly illegal such as having Avast installed even when a user
>> specifically declined the offer.  The company has a very good reputation
>> and, if for no other reason, that's worth a lot of money.
>>
>> Gene
>> ----- Original Message -----
>>
>> From: Desiree Oudinot
>> Sent: Friday, July 13, 2018 5:14 PM
>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>> Subject: Re: [nvda] I think Avast is a virus :-)
>>
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I very rarely post on this list, but this message warrants a response.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> I, too, have had CCleaner install Avast even when I've declined the offer
>> during installation. Once it's launched, it seems to do something in the
>> background to install it. As a result, I began using the portable version
>> of
>> CCleaner to avoid this problem.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> I believe this is unacceptable, but until now, had also never seen anyone
>> discussing the issue, so I figured I had done something to trigger it.
>> But
>> perhaps not.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 7/13/2018 4:35 PM, Gene wrote:
>>
>>   Then why has no other CCleaner user reported the problem not just on
>> this
>> list, but on the other two active Windows users lists I'm on?  It doesn't
>> seem plausible.
>>
>>   How have you tried to remove Avast in the past?  And if you really
>> think
>> its CCleaner, why not completely remove CCleaner and see what happens?
>>
>>   But rather than do that, doing what I suggest below may yield the
>> wanted
>> result without doing unnecessary and likely ineffective work.
>>
>>   I don't know how you might stop it.  the question may well be too
>> specific
>> and essoteric for the list.  Why not ask somewhere like Bleeping Computer
>> where geeks hang out to help with technical questions that range from
>> simple
>> to obscure.
>>
>>   Gene
>>   ----- Original Message -----
>>
>>   From: Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
>>   Sent: Friday, July 13, 2018 3:28 PM
>>   To: nvda@groups.io
>>   Subject: [nvda] I think Avast is a virus :-)
>>
>>
>>   I'm having terrible trouble stopping this anti virus once installed and
>>   removed from making frequent attempts to reinstall itself. I have a
>>   suspicion that Ccleaner is responsible for apparent random downloads in
>> the
>>   background without any input from a user. It then sits there and out of
>> the
>>   blue  comes up as installing.
>>
>>   Does anyone know of a third party program that can spot this and
>> actually
>>
>>   stop it. maybe an entry in Microsofts windows 7 firewall or something.
>>    Unfortunately, the machine in question is a device used by both
>> sighted
>> and
>>   blind, and its only when I get there and find this inaccessible over
>> active
>>   impossible to remove bit of so called anti virus software that  I get
>> very
>>
>>   annoyed. I want to make it absolutely impossible to install it.
>>    Any ideas?
>>    Brian
>>
>>   bglists@...
>>   Sent via blueyonder.
>>   Please address personal E-mail to:-
>>   briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
>>   in the display name field.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Remember! Friends Help Friends Be Cybersafe
> Jackie McBride
> Helping Cybercrime Victims 1 Person at a Time
> https://brighter-vision.com
>
>
>
>
>
>


--
Remember! Friends Help Friends Be Cybersafe
Jackie McBride
Helping Cybercrime Victims 1 Person at a Time
https://brighter-vision.com