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Ms will be releasing Windows 10 free soon

Jaffar Sidek
 

Hi.  I came across this very interesting vedio on YOUTUBe.  Just as Apple and Google have made their operating systems free on their devices, so does Microsoft intend to do the same, though it was relatively slow to catch up with it's two rivals.  Of course, Google and Apple profit by other means, so will Microsoft.  Also, From this video, Windows will soon concentrate on a feature known as Virtual reality.  How far it will affect Accessibility, I leave you to judge for yourselves.  Here is the video link.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uk8ttvw8-ng

Cheers!


Re: Next snaps no longer can be updated automatically

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Not sure which one I have at the moment, but my point was, it could not be fixed in any other way than a running of the archive with the fixed code.

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Michel Such" <michel.such@free.fr>
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Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2018 9:47 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Next snaps no longer can be updated automatically


Hi Brian,


The problem seems to have been fixed with next 14949,e17dfb0d.

Once you've installed this one or any newer, the update process should
return to normal.


Michel Such <mailto:michel.such@free.fr>
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Michel, son chat et son ordi
Le 15/03/2018 à 10:42, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io a écrit :
I note with interest that the last few next snapshots have required me
to go to the %temp% folder and run the downloaded archive manually. It
seems that the prompt for update or postpone gives an error when it
tries to display, at least on my windows 7 machine it does. However
apart from then going through the old update folder selection process,
it works.
I see two similar issues reported on Github about this so I suspect it
will be sorted soon though the first update from a problem version may
need to be done manually as the code with the bug will still be
running of course!

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Re: Adware / Malware removers that are accessible with NVDA

Michael Capelle <mcapelle@...>
 

i am running malware bytes on windows 7 and 10, on windows 10, i am running windows defender.
 

Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2018 5:19 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Adware / Malware removers that are accessible with NVDA
 

Do you have a ad blocker and/or popup blocker installed?

That may help

 

----- Original Message -----

From: "Giles Turnbull" <giles.turnbull@...>

To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>

Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2018 10:41 PM

Subject: [nvda] Adware / Malware removers that are accessible with NVDA

 

 

Hi all,

 

somehow today I've picked up the adware that plays an audio warning that the

computer mayh be infected with viruses and to contact Microsoft technical

support on 'this number' for somebody who will help clean your computer (or

bank account!)

 

Anyway, I ran adwcleaner and that didn't help so I wondered what other tools

people had been able to use with NVDA.

 

Curiously this adware is only affecting Firefox ... Internet Explorer is not

affected. I tried installing an earlier version over the current Firefox

version I was using, but that just played the same malware. Adwcleaner did

detect and remove some pup files but again to no effect.

 

any suggestions would be very welcome :)

 

Giles

 

 

 

 


Re: Adware / Malware removers that are accessible with NVDA

Chris
 

Do you have a ad blocker and/or popup blocker installed?

That may help

 

----- Original Message -----

From: "Giles Turnbull" <giles.turnbull@...>

To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>

Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2018 10:41 PM

Subject: [nvda] Adware / Malware removers that are accessible with NVDA

 

 

Hi all,

 

somehow today I've picked up the adware that plays an audio warning that the

computer mayh be infected with viruses and to contact Microsoft technical

support on 'this number' for somebody who will help clean your computer (or

bank account!)

 

Anyway, I ran adwcleaner and that didn't help so I wondered what other tools

people had been able to use with NVDA.

 

Curiously this adware is only affecting Firefox ... Internet Explorer is not

affected. I tried installing an earlier version over the current Firefox

version I was using, but that just played the same malware. Adwcleaner did

detect and remove some pup files but again to no effect.

 

any suggestions would be very welcome :)

 

Giles

 

 

 

 


Re: firefox 59 64 bit

Chris
 

If you compare it to the initial quantum releases , then yes, its faster

But if you compare it to the older Firefox, then maybe its faster or maybe not, it all depends on the mind set, if you think change is good or not 😃

 

There is a add-on for adding sounds but its rather over complicated and inaccessible .

 

And i use a download manager so i don’t know what the issue is with the save dialog, but basically they is only two buttons anyway as far as i know.

 

 

From: Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
Sent: 15 March 2018 08:55
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Subject: Re: [nvda] firefox 59 64 bit

 

That depends very much on your definition of fast. Does the download window

now read correctly in this version? are there any system sounds for end of

download, page loaded, script running link clicked etc?

Brian

 

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Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2018 8:15 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] firefox 59 64 bit

 

 

Actually its a lot faster than the old esr you like so much

 

 

From: Felix G.

Sent: 14 March 2018 20:02

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] firefox 59 64 bit

 

Hi!

If you can live with a slight speed penalty compared to the ESR, then yes,

it's the way to go. It's just been officially released and shouldn't give

you much trouble.

Greetings,

Felix

 

Chris via Groups.Io <chrismedley@...> schrieb am Mi.,

14. März 2018 um 19:18 Uhr:

Best version of firefox so far 😃

 

 

 

From: Don H

Sent: 14 March 2018 18:12

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: [nvda] firefox 59 64 bit

 

My firefox just updated itself to version 59 64 bit. I am running NVDA

2018-1 on my Win10 64 bit laptop. Is this best firefox to be using with

NVDA? Are there any firefox settings that should be changed to work

best with NVDA 2018-1?

Thanks

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


Re: Next snaps no longer can be updated automatically

Michel Such
 

Hi Brian,


The problem seems to have been fixed with next 14949,e17dfb0d.

Once you've installed this one or any newer, the update process should return to normal.


Le 15/03/2018 à 10:42, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io a écrit :
I note with interest that the last few next snapshots have required me to go to the %temp% folder and run the downloaded archive manually. It seems that the prompt for update or postpone gives an error when it tries to display, at least on my windows 7 machine it does. However apart from then going through the old update folder selection process, it works.
I see two similar issues reported on Github about this so I suspect it will be sorted soon though the first update from a problem version may need to be done manually as the code with the bug will still be running of course!

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Next snaps no longer can be updated automatically

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I note with interest that the last few next snapshots have required me to go to the %temp% folder and run the downloaded archive manually. It seems that the prompt for update or postpone gives an error when it tries to display, at least on my windows 7 machine it does. However apart from then going through the old update folder selection process, it works.
I see two similar issues reported on Github about this so I suspect it will be sorted soon though the first update from a problem version may need to be done manually as the code with the bug will still be running of course!

Brian

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i found helpful link for you in this regard from mozilla website.

https://support.mozilla.org/kb/troubleshoot-firefox-issues-caused-malware

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This screen is it simply a page being used as a home page? Have you done the

obvious and looked at the settings?
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Don H" <lmddh50@adams.net>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2018 10:54 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Adware / Malware removers that are accessible with NVDA


Don't know how powerful the Malicious Software Removal Tool is but you
can always run it. At the run command type mrt and press enter then
follow the prompts.

On 3/14/2018 5:41 PM, Giles Turnbull wrote:
Hi all,

somehow today I've picked up the adware that plays an audio warning that

the computer mayh be infected with viruses and to contact Microsoft
technical support on 'this number' for somebody who will help clean your

computer (or bank account!)

Anyway, I ran adwcleaner and that didn't help so I wondered what other
tools people had been able to use with NVDA.

Curiously this adware is only affecting Firefox ... Internet Explorer is

not affected. I tried installing an earlier version over the current
Firefox version I was using, but that just played the same malware.
Adwcleaner did detect and remove some pup files but again to no effect.

any suggestions would be very welcome :)

Giles






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Re: Firefox seems slower?

 

i wish that i can use firefox 22 forever!
javascript and image display can be disabled options easily, frames
can be disabled in about:config without extension and media files dont
play automaticly!
i never update my firefox, even i force to use other windows one day!

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<bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io> wrote:
I would warn those with XP and Vista though, the last time I looked it would

not work on those operating systems.
Similar issues exist on Vivaldi but it also has issues with old amd
processors. When Firefox 52 is no longer supported will have to look around

for a replacement.
At the moment the slow down is tolerable on my four core system.
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From: "Jaffar Sidek" <jaffar.sidek10@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2018 4:30 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Firefox seems slower?


Hi. Someone did bring up the value of migrating to the Waterfox web
browser sometime ago. Well, I took Waterfox for a spin and I am converted.

I'm not sure if Waterfox uses the mozilla engine, but it seems to be
faster and smoother and less cluttered than Firefox. I tried it with both

Jaws and NVDA, and NVDA came up tops. You can't go far wrong if you at
least give Waterfox a try. Google for it. If you are willing to get off
your comfort zone and work with something different, you'll reap the
nenifits immediately. Anyway, there is not much of a difference in
Waterfox's and Firefox's interface, so the learning curve isn't steep.
Cheers!


On 14/3/2018 8:12 PM, Matt Turner wrote:
Hi folks.

Does anyone find that firefox is really slow?

I'm using nvda 2018.1.

As for firefox, I've tried all of the beta/ nightly channels, but chrome,

seems to run alot faster.

Is it just the computer, or just me.








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Re: Adware / Malware removers that are accessible with NVDA

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This screen is it simply a page being used as a home page? Have you done the obvious and looked at the settings?
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Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2018 10:54 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Adware / Malware removers that are accessible with NVDA


Don't know how powerful the Malicious Software Removal Tool is but you can always run it. At the run command type mrt and press enter then follow the prompts.

On 3/14/2018 5:41 PM, Giles Turnbull wrote:
Hi all,

somehow today I've picked up the adware that plays an audio warning that the computer mayh be infected with viruses and to contact Microsoft technical support on 'this number' for somebody who will help clean your computer (or bank account!)

Anyway, I ran adwcleaner and that didn't help so I wondered what other tools people had been able to use with NVDA.

Curiously this adware is only affecting Firefox ... Internet Explorer is not affected. I tried installing an earlier version over the current Firefox version I was using, but that just played the same malware. Adwcleaner did detect and remove some pup files but again to no effect.

any suggestions would be very welcome :)

Giles


Re: IRC, instructions on how to use, and NVDA accessibility

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Yeah, IRC funny how people always find you though!
I used to use it in the dos days. You might be in a dos shell and suddenly somebody started to type in at the bottom of your screen.
Time wasting, one reason why nowadays I'm so anti twitter text and the like.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Ben J. Bloomgren" <godsquad@cox.net>
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Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2018 5:35 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] IRC, instructions on how to use, and NVDA accessibility


I hear that MIrc is pretty accessible. I haven’t used it in eight billion years, but I remember it being pretty textually based and therefore easy to use. My beaf was that I found it difficult to find people with whom to chat on there.

Ben

From: Kwork
Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2018 21:11
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] IRC, instructions on how to use, and NVDA accessibility

I'm thinking about entering the world of IRC. I've heard it's fairly accessible for blind users. How accessible is it with NVDA, and how would I go about learning how to use, set up, etc? Thanks for any help.


Re: Adware / Malware removers that are accessible with NVDA

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Which version of Firefox is it?

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Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2018 10:41 PM
Subject: [nvda] Adware / Malware removers that are accessible with NVDA


Hi all,

somehow today I've picked up the adware that plays an audio warning that the computer mayh be infected with viruses and to contact Microsoft technical support on 'this number' for somebody who will help clean your computer (or bank account!)

Anyway, I ran adwcleaner and that didn't help so I wondered what other tools people had been able to use with NVDA.

Curiously this adware is only affecting Firefox ... Internet Explorer is not affected. I tried installing an earlier version over the current Firefox version I was using, but that just played the same malware. Adwcleaner did detect and remove some pup files but again to no effect.

any suggestions would be very welcome :)

Giles


Re: Problem with old versions of Portable firefox

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I think they have to care or it won't be allowed to be used at us education sites. The problem is, until quite late in the development of quantum they thought they knew about accessibility. Interesting how Jamie was recruited at that time, don't you think?
I'll say no more.
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Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2018 12:03 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Problem with old versions of Portable firefox


And thats why firefox is crap now, they don't care about accessibility use waterfox.




On 15/03/2018 12:38 p.m., David Griffith wrote:
Thanks but even the ESR Portable version is now warning that Accessibility Features have been disabled wen I install it.
I understand the question somebody else posted last week about how could portable apps could now be made accessible.
It does look like Mozilla has pulled accessibility support on all it current portable downloads.
After installation I can access the menus and have been through all the options but can find no way to make even this ESR version accessible.
I can open a web page such as www.bbc.co.uk using control L and the title of the window will say BBC home but there is no way to ;read any of the content in the resulting page or navigate using tab, or element shortcuts H for heading etc.
I got similarly zero feedback when I opened www.google.co.uk.
Firefox ESR and NVDA announces Google home but it is impossible to navigate to or read any of the web page or edit fields with NVDA.
NVDA does not even recognise the BBC Home page as a web page in this ESR portable version , if I try insert F7 for Elements list all that comes up is a message from Firefox asking me if I want caret browsing enabled.
For reference NVDA is still working normally with installed versions of Waterfox and Chrome and Edge and even Internet Explorer.
I am on Windows 10 latest release and NVDA 2018.1
David Griffith
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From: Gene
Sent: 14 March 2018 22:50
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Problem with old versions of Portable firefox

You can download Firefox portable versions from portableapps.com
https://portableapps.com/apps/internet/firefox_portable
You will see a link to the ESR version on that page.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: David Griffith
Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2018 5:14 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Problem with old versions of Portable firefox

Following suggestions on this list to use portable versions of Firefox, potentially with Webvisum, I downloaded and installed first of all the portable versions of Firefox 52 and then Firefox 51.
It was surprising that even for Portable versions there was an installation process though the result was a folder labelled Firefox Portable with a portable executable in it.
I was more surprised after both installs that a message came up saying that accessibility features had been disable , despite these being older versions of Firefox.
Sure enough after running the programs I found these installs unusable both with NVDA and Jaws 2018.
I downloaded these portable versions of Firefox from the Mozilla site but it appears that they are not genuine older versions as they all appear to have the accessibility problem.
Is there an alternative source of portable versions that are accessible?
David Griffith

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Re: Problem with old versions of Portable firefox

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Accessibility is achieved by a different system in the later Firefoxes. The hook into the code is no longer used. However I remain to be convinced that this hook address was being exploited in any major way and was being detected by anti virus if it were exploited without the screenreader flag being set.
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From: "zahra" <nasrinkhaksar3@gmail.com>
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Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2018 4:15 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Problem with old versions of Portable firefox


hi.
did you install recent version of firefox?
if so, which version exactly?
and i read that accessibility does not work in firefox 57 and newer, am i right?
you can uninstall current version and download and install esr version.
which esr version did you download exactly? 52.7?

On 3/15/18, Gene <gsasner@ripco.com> wrote:
I think something else may be disabling the accessibility settings and you
are getting the message because they are disabled. I see no reason why,
unless there is a bug in a very recent update, accessibility settings should
be disabled by the program itself. We'll see. If you get the message on
another computer, I have an ESR that I haven't let update recently, because
I use it so seldom. I may send it to you so you can see what happens.

I think we would have heard something from other users if this were a
general probloem, though.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: David Griffith
Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2018 6:59 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Problem with old versions of Portable firefox


I think it is plausible given that there is a Mozilla message saying that
accessibility has been disabled.

I will however try installing it on my laptop tomorrow.

David Griffith



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From: Gene
Sent: 14 March 2018 23:53
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Problem with old versions of Portable firefox



That isn't plausible. I suspect some problem with your system.



I may try downloading the portable version again to see what happens. I
downloaded it perhaps two months ago and it works properly. Do you have
another computer to try it on?



Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: David Griffith

Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2018 6:38 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] Problem with old versions of Portable firefox



Thanks but even the ESR Portable version is now warning that Accessibility
Features have been disabled wen I install it.

I understand the question somebody else posted last week about how could
portable apps could now be made accessible.

It does look like Mozilla has pulled accessibility support on all it current
portable downloads.

After installation I can access the menus and have been through all the
options but can find no way to make even this ESR version accessible.

I can open a web page such as www.bbc.co.uk using control L and the title
of the window will say BBC home but there is no way to ;read any of the
content in the resulting page or navigate using tab, or element shortcuts H
for heading etc.

I got similarly zero feedback when I opened www.google.co.uk.

Firefox ESR and NVDA announces Google home but it is impossible to navigate
to or read any of the web page or edit fields with NVDA.

NVDA does not even recognise the BBC Home page as a web page in this ESR
portable version , if I try insert F7 for Elements list all that comes up is
a message from Firefox asking me if I want caret browsing enabled.

For reference NVDA is still working normally with installed versions of
Waterfox and Chrome and Edge and even Internet Explorer.

I am on Windows 10 latest release and NVDA 2018.1

David Griffith

.



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From: Gene
Sent: 14 March 2018 22:50
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Problem with old versions of Portable firefox



You can download Firefox portable versions from portableapps.com

https://portableapps.com/apps/internet/firefox_portable



You will see a link to the ESR version on that page.



Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: David Griffith

Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2018 5:14 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: [nvda] Problem with old versions of Portable firefox



Following suggestions on this list to use portable versions of Firefox,
potentially with Webvisum, I downloaded and installed first of all the
portable versions of Firefox 52 and then Firefox 51.

It was surprising that even for Portable versions there was an installation
process though the result was a folder labelled Firefox Portable with a
portable executable in it.

I was more surprised after both installs that a message came up saying that
accessibility features had been disable , despite these being older versions
of Firefox.

Sure enough after running the programs I found these installs unusable both
with NVDA and Jaws 2018.

I downloaded these portable versions of Firefox from the Mozilla site but it
appears that they are not genuine older versions as they all appear to have
the accessibility problem.

Is there an alternative source of portable versions that are accessible?

David Griffith



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Re: Problem with old versions of Portable firefox

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Could it be that you have an old profile on there from 57 which has been imported by the version you are using?
It could be interesting to see what the version is from inside the running program, but you might need sighted help for that as it stands.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "David Griffith" <daj.griffith@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2018 11:59 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Problem with old versions of Portable firefox


I think it is plausible given that there is a Mozilla message saying that accessibility has been disabled.
I will however try installing it on my laptop tomorrow.
David Griffith

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From: Gene
Sent: 14 March 2018 23:53
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Problem with old versions of Portable firefox

That isn't plausible. I suspect some problem with your system.

I may try downloading the portable version again to see what happens. I downloaded it perhaps two months ago and it works properly. Do you have another computer to try it on?

Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: David Griffith
Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2018 6:38 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Problem with old versions of Portable firefox

Thanks but even the ESR Portable version is now warning that Accessibility Features have been disabled wen I install it.
I understand the question somebody else posted last week about how could portable apps could now be made accessible.
It does look like Mozilla has pulled accessibility support on all it current portable downloads.
After installation I can access the menus and have been through all the options but can find no way to make even this ESR version accessible.
I can open a web page such as www.bbc.co.uk using control L and the title of the window will say BBC home but there is no way to ;read any of the content in the resulting page or navigate using tab, or element shortcuts H for heading etc.
I got similarly zero feedback when I opened www.google.co.uk.
Firefox ESR and NVDA announces Google home but it is impossible to navigate to or read any of the web page or edit fields with NVDA.
NVDA does not even recognise the BBC Home page as a web page in this ESR portable version , if I try insert F7 for Elements list all that comes up is a message from Firefox asking me if I want caret browsing enabled.
For reference NVDA is still working normally with installed versions of Waterfox and Chrome and Edge and even Internet Explorer.
I am on Windows 10 latest release and NVDA 2018.1
David Griffith
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From: Gene
Sent: 14 March 2018 22:50
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Problem with old versions of Portable firefox

You can download Firefox portable versions from portableapps.com
https://portableapps.com/apps/internet/firefox_portable

You will see a link to the ESR version on that page.

Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: David Griffith
Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2018 5:14 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Problem with old versions of Portable firefox

Following suggestions on this list to use portable versions of Firefox, potentially with Webvisum, I downloaded and installed first of all the portable versions of Firefox 52 and then Firefox 51.
It was surprising that even for Portable versions there was an installation process though the result was a folder labelled Firefox Portable with a portable executable in it.
I was more surprised after both installs that a message came up saying that accessibility features had been disable , despite these being older versions of Firefox.
Sure enough after running the programs I found these installs unusable both with NVDA and Jaws 2018.
I downloaded these portable versions of Firefox from the Mozilla site but it appears that they are not genuine older versions as they all appear to have the accessibility problem.
Is there an alternative source of portable versions that are accessible?
David Griffith

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Re: firefox 59 64 bit

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That depends very much on your definition of fast. Does the download window now read correctly in this version? are there any system sounds for end of download, page loaded, script running link clicked etc?
Brian

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From: "Chris via Groups.Io" <chrismedley=btinternet.com@groups.io>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2018 8:15 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] firefox 59 64 bit


Actually its a lot faster than the old esr you like so much


From: Felix G.
Sent: 14 March 2018 20:02
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] firefox 59 64 bit

Hi!
If you can live with a slight speed penalty compared to the ESR, then yes, it's the way to go. It's just been officially released and shouldn't give you much trouble.
Greetings,
Felix

Chris via Groups.Io <chrismedley=btinternet.com@groups.io> schrieb am Mi., 14. März 2018 um 19:18 Uhr:
Best version of firefox so far 😃



From: Don H
Sent: 14 March 2018 18:12
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] firefox 59 64 bit

My firefox just updated itself to version 59 64 bit. I am running NVDA
2018-1 on my Win10 64 bit laptop. Is this best firefox to be using with
NVDA? Are there any firefox settings that should be changed to work
best with NVDA 2018-1?
Thanks


Re: firefox 59 64 bit

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What did you have before?
If it was 52, then you will just have to try it and see if you like it. If it was 58, then you may not notice a lot of difference.
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Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2018 2:24 PM
Subject: [nvda] firefox 59 64 bit


My firefox just updated itself to version 59 64 bit. I am running NVDA 2018-1 on my Win10 64 bit laptop. Is this best firefox to be using with NVDA? Are there any firefox settings that should be changed to work best with NVDA 2018-1?
Thanks



Re: Firefox seems slower?

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I would warn those with XP and Vista though, the last time I looked it would not work on those operating systems.
Similar issues exist on Vivaldi but it also has issues with old amd processors. When Firefox 52 is no longer supported will have to look around for a replacement.
At the moment the slow down is tolerable on my four core system.
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From: "Jaffar Sidek" <jaffar.sidek10@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2018 4:30 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Firefox seems slower?


Hi. Someone did bring up the value of migrating to the Waterfox web browser sometime ago. Well, I took Waterfox for a spin and I am converted. I'm not sure if Waterfox uses the mozilla engine, but it seems to be faster and smoother and less cluttered than Firefox. I tried it with both Jaws and NVDA, and NVDA came up tops. You can't go far wrong if you at least give Waterfox a try. Google for it. If you are willing to get off your comfort zone and work with something different, you'll reap the nenifits immediately. Anyway, there is not much of a difference in Waterfox's and Firefox's interface, so the learning curve isn't steep. Cheers!


On 14/3/2018 8:12 PM, Matt Turner wrote:
Hi folks.

Does anyone find that firefox is really slow?

I'm using nvda 2018.1.

As for firefox, I've tried all of the beta/ nightly channels, but chrome, seems to run alot faster.

Is it just the computer, or just me.




Re: IRC, instructions on how to use, and NVDA accessibility

Ben J. Bloomgren
 

                I hear that MIrc is pretty accessible. I haven’t used it in eight billion years, but I remember it being pretty textually based and therefore easy to use. My beaf was that I found it difficult to find people with whom to chat on there.

 

Ben

 

From: Kwork
Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2018 21:11
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] IRC, instructions on how to use, and NVDA accessibility

 

I'm thinking about entering the world of IRC. I've heard it's fairly accessible for blind users. How accessible is it with NVDA, and how would I go about learning how to use, set up, etc? Thanks for any help.

 


Re: Firefox seems slower?

 

yes, waterfox is based on firefox, but only supports 64 bit windows!

On 3/15/18, Jaffar Sidek <jaffar.sidek10@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi.  Someone did bring up the value of migrating to the Waterfox web
browser sometime ago.  Well, I took Waterfox for a spin and I am
converted.  I'm not sure if Waterfox uses the mozilla engine, but it
seems to be faster and smoother and less cluttered than Firefox.  I
tried it with both Jaws and NVDA, and NVDA came up tops.  You can't go
far wrong if you at least give Waterfox a try.  Google for it.  If you
are willing to get off your comfort zone and work with something
different, you'll reap the nenifits immediately.  Anyway, there is not
much of a difference in Waterfox's and Firefox's interface, so the
learning curve isn't steep.  Cheers!


On 14/3/2018 8:12 PM, Matt Turner wrote:
Hi folks.

Does anyone find that firefox is really slow?

I'm using nvda 2018.1.

As for firefox, I've tried all of the beta/ nightly channels, but
chrome, seems to run alot faster.

Is it just the computer, or just me.






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