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Re: cisco webex conferencing accessibility?

Clement Chou
 

Right. So it sounds like it hasn't improved any then. Ah well... if
anyone has had better luck, feel free to share. Would be appreciated!

On 5/27/20, Dan Beaver <dbeaver888@...> wrote:
Last time I used it which was a couple of years ago it wasn't any better.
In fact, there were lots of aspects that were not accessible at all.


Dan Beaver

On 5/27/2020 8:37 PM, Clement Chou wrote:

Asking for a friend who just recently needed to start using this at
work. Has anyone else experienced this particular conferencing
platform? Apparently accessibility with JAWS is patchy at best and I
was wondering if it works any betterwith NVDA. Thoughts? Thanks
everyone!


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Re: cisco webex conferencing accessibility?

Dan Beaver
 

Last time I used it which was a couple of years ago it wasn't any better.  In fact, there were lots of aspects that were not accessible at all.


Dan Beaver

On 5/27/2020 8:37 PM, Clement Chou wrote:
Asking for a friend who just recently needed to start using this at
work. Has anyone else experienced this particular conferencing
platform? Apparently accessibility with JAWS is patchy at best and I
was wondering if it works any betterwith NVDA. Thoughts? Thanks
everyone!



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cisco webex conferencing accessibility?

Clement Chou
 

Asking for a friend who just recently needed to start using this at
work. Has anyone else experienced this particular conferencing
platform? Apparently accessibility with JAWS is patchy at best and I
was wondering if it works any betterwith NVDA. Thoughts? Thanks
everyone!


Re: Accessible scanner drivers

Luke Davis
 

OT here, but if you have an iPhone, the iOS version of HP Smart is very accessible.
A few unlabeled buttons, but you can figure them out from context. (E.G. the only unlabeled button on the scan screen, is the scan button.)

Luke

On Wed, 27 May 2020, Tony Malykh wrote:

After reading all the replies, I decided to try HP - I bought printer+scanner HP 8035 - one of the top models on Amazon. They offer to install this tool called HP Smart to configure your device. Unfortunately this tool seems to be not accessible - I tried with NVDA and Jaws. Most buttons are not marked, most list elements cannot be read by either screenreader. It seems like the state of accessibility hasn't changed much since 5 years ago. Now I'd have to ask someone sighted to configure it. Maybe in the end I should've tried Canon - more people have recommended it, but in the last moment I changed my mind and switched to HP because customer ratings for Canon products were low on Amazon....


Re: New with NVDA need help

 

On Wed, May 27, 2020 at 04:07 PM, Luke Davis wrote:
And, while there's nothing wrong with asking if you have trouble, all of this is in the NVDA manual that comes with the program.
And every NVDA user, particularly new ones (but it's incredibly handy for old-timers too, when looking for something you seldom use), should commit the following two commands to memory:

1. NVDA+N,H,Q - Open the NVDA Commands Quick Reference in your default web browser.

2. NVDA+N,H,U - Open the NVDA User Manual in your default web browser.

You can also find all the documentation under the NVDA install folder, documentation subfolder, language specific subfolder.  This is typically:

"C:\Program Files (x86)\NVDA\documentation\en"   for English Language versions.  Substitute fr for en for French, de for en for German, etc., etc., etc.

It's the HTML files that are found there that get opened via the commands noted above, but you can also open that folder and activate the HTML file (and they're clearly named by purpose) you need to view.
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Re: ccleaner insites? accessible? discussion maybe?

Sarah k Alawami
 

It is now no longer on there, CCleaner asked ninite to remove their product according to what the folks at ninite told me.

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On 27 May 2020, at 14:20, Jackie wrote:

You know, Shaun, if you'd go to ninite.com, you can install a lot of
different software & have the bundled extras skipped. I don't know if
CCleaner is on there, though I seem to remember that at some point it
was.

Good on you for bringing accessibility to their attention.

On 5/27/20, Shaun Everiss sm.everiss@... wrote:

Hi all.

A while ago several months in fact as a user of ccleaner I recieved via
their news letter a servey to tell piriform about their product and how
good it was.

Of course I naturally opend up a can on how bad it was, etc and all that.

Today I got a message saying there is a panel going up, and asked me to
join in one of the questions there was a question about screen readers.

I don't know what this means, but this could be a step in the right
direction.

So my first thing to do is work on their accessibility issues.

The first one is the control panel with all the checkboxes.

My second are the settings in particular the button that switches on and
off smartclean, I had to use narator to check that button else nvda
would jump past it.

Third is healthcheck itself, I am going to ask them to either make it
accessible or have it turned off by default for screenreader users
because we don't really need it anyway.

Then there are add banners and messages which themselves are not
accessible as they currently are.

Finally, there is the startup of smart clean and other things on
installd  versions which we don't use or need and which can be a bother
to turn off.

Then finally last but not least, its the bundled software that is
installed, I know they need advertising for their free versions, and if
they really want sponsored listings and such they can open a page on
their site with all the extras, sponsered software, etc if they must but
not bundle it in.

Avast aint that good, its not accessible and all the extras do is screw
up our systems.

I'd also like to add portable mode to installers.

This is most of what I'd want.

The most important are the controlpanel, buttons in settings and the
health check for the first bash.

Hell if they just got the control panel right and maybe the buttons in
settings it should be a blooming good start.

The panel indicated direct feadback live was another possibility so I
would really like this.

If others get this mail I'd encourage joining the panel.

It seems that piriform or ccleaner or avast or whatever they are called
are trying to do the right thing here.

Its an awesome step in the right direction.

Now on top of the windows update being so good, keeping 99.9% of all my
settings in tact and all, I am a really happy user.

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Re: ccleaner insites? accessible? discussion maybe?

 

Hmmm true, but ccleaner portable serves me well.

All the settings are in an ini file and the app is on another site.

And while ninite would probably work, the trick isn't to hide behind another tool or service, I think in my opinion you need to get involved with the makers themselves.

Using another thirdparty service to access something else that you use tthat you should have access to may be fine but if you are like me you want backups of installers etc to transfer about if you need them for another system and what if the net dies.

On 28/05/2020 9:20 am, Jackie wrote:
You know, Shaun, if you'd go to ninite.com, you can install a lot of
different software & have the bundled extras skipped. I don't know if
CCleaner is on there, though I seem to remember that at some point it
was.

Good on you for bringing accessibility to their attention.

On 5/27/20, Shaun Everiss <@smeveriss> wrote:
Hi all.

A while ago several months in fact as a user of ccleaner I recieved via
their news letter a servey to tell piriform about their product and how
good it was.

Of course I naturally opend up a can on how bad it was, etc and all that.

Today I got a message saying there is a panel going up, and asked me to
join in one of the questions there was a question about screen readers.

I don't know what this means, but this could be a step in the right
direction.

So my first thing to do is work on their accessibility issues.

The first one is the control panel with all the checkboxes.

My second are the settings in particular the button that switches on and
off smartclean, I had to use narator to check that button else nvda
would jump past it.

Third is healthcheck itself, I am going to ask them to either make it
accessible or have it turned off by default for screenreader users
because we don't really need it anyway.

Then there are add banners and messages which themselves are not
accessible as they currently are.

Finally, there is the startup of smart clean and other things on
installd  versions which we don't use or need and which can be a bother
to turn off.

Then finally last but not least, its the bundled software that is
installed, I know they need advertising for their free versions, and if
they really want sponsored listings and such they can open a page on
their site with all the extras, sponsered software, etc if they must but
not bundle it in.

Avast aint that good, its not accessible and all the extras do is screw
up our systems.

I'd also like to add portable mode to installers.

This is most of what I'd want.

The most important are the controlpanel, buttons in settings and the
health check for the first bash.

Hell if they just got the control panel right and maybe the buttons in
settings it should be a blooming good start.

The panel indicated direct feadback live was another possibility so I
would really like this.

If others get this mail I'd encourage joining the panel.

It seems that piriform or ccleaner or avast or whatever they are called
are trying to do the right thing here.

Its an awesome step in the right direction.

Now on top of the windows update being so good, keeping 99.9% of all my
settings in tact and all, I am a really happy user.






Re: ccleaner insites? accessible? discussion maybe?

Jackie
 

You know, Shaun, if you'd go to ninite.com, you can install a lot of
different software & have the bundled extras skipped. I don't know if
CCleaner is on there, though I seem to remember that at some point it
was.

Good on you for bringing accessibility to their attention.

On 5/27/20, Shaun Everiss <@smeveriss> wrote:
Hi all.

A while ago several months in fact as a user of ccleaner I recieved via
their news letter a servey to tell piriform about their product and how
good it was.

Of course I naturally opend up a can on how bad it was, etc and all that.

Today I got a message saying there is a panel going up, and asked me to
join in one of the questions there was a question about screen readers.

I don't know what this means, but this could be a step in the right
direction.

So my first thing to do is work on their accessibility issues.

The first one is the control panel with all the checkboxes.

My second are the settings in particular the button that switches on and
off smartclean, I had to use narator to check that button else nvda
would jump past it.

Third is healthcheck itself, I am going to ask them to either make it
accessible or have it turned off by default for screenreader users
because we don't really need it anyway.

Then there are add banners and messages which themselves are not
accessible as they currently are.

Finally, there is the startup of smart clean and other things on
installd  versions which we don't use or need and which can be a bother
to turn off.

Then finally last but not least, its the bundled software that is
installed, I know they need advertising for their free versions, and if
they really want sponsored listings and such they can open a page on
their site with all the extras, sponsered software, etc if they must but
not bundle it in.

Avast aint that good, its not accessible and all the extras do is screw
up our systems.

I'd also like to add portable mode to installers.

This is most of what I'd want.

The most important are the controlpanel, buttons in settings and the
health check for the first bash.

Hell if they just got the control panel right and maybe the buttons in
settings it should be a blooming good start.

The panel indicated direct feadback live was another possibility so I
would really like this.

If others get this mail I'd encourage joining the panel.

It seems that piriform or ccleaner or avast or whatever they are called
are trying to do the right thing here.

Its an awesome step in the right direction.

Now on top of the windows update being so good, keeping 99.9% of all my
settings in tact and all, I am a really happy user.





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Re: Accessible scanner drivers

 

Easystart just installs the drivers.

You should be able to enable other features from the printer website.

On all your systems you should have the printer drivers, on the newer systems my brother does it but not tested with the  phones, holding your phone near the nfc will cause the printer to locate your phone and set itself up.

the app is hp smart in both phone types so who knows.

I have scanned from the web to pdf with drivers installed and the printer will support eprint jet, air, and cloud though you will need sighted help to initiate the completion on the device of the google cloud registration.

The scanner will support twane and the new windows wia protocol.

As long as your program supports the right protocols then it will work.

There maybe extra service apps to install for your printer on the phones to but it should all work seemlessly.

On 28/05/2020 9:05 am, Tony Malykh wrote:
Will hp easystart,  allow me to use fancy features, like scanning directly to Dropbox? I know this printer supports this feature, but now I'm not sure whether I'd be able to use it...

On 5/27/2020 11:49 AM, Shaun Everiss wrote:
Hmmm hp smart is not in any shape or form accessible.

You should go through all the sections, you need to install something called hp easystart, this may or may not work even gets you to set your eservice account.

Now if you don't feel comfortable with that, there is probably a version of your driver in the utilities section though easystart will know what that usually is as there can be multiple versions.

Easystart is still got a few access issues but at least you should be able to read the screens.

In general for hp devices you will need the basic drivers package, and the full driver utility package, and if it comes with ocr software packages depending what that is I'd get that to.

After you get into the websetup on the networked printer, you can do that by finding your unit in network rightclicking with appkey, and selecting view webpage, you can go to tools or settings and maybe admin, and click firmware update or click status and firmware update or search for firmware update,

hitting that and the update button will cause hp to dial home and update, setting this to automatic will usually get updates, though every so often I like to double check to make sure its done as sometimes it will ask you to confirm that the update is installed and ready.



On 28/05/2020 3:52 am, Tony Malykh wrote:
After reading all the replies, I decided to try HP - I bought printer+scanner HP 8035 - one of the top models on Amazon. They offer to install this tool called HP Smart to configure your device. Unfortunately this tool seems to be not accessible - I tried with NVDA and Jaws. Most buttons are not marked, most list elements cannot be read by either screenreader. It seems like the state of accessibility hasn't changed much since 5 years ago. Now I'd have to ask someone sighted to configure it. Maybe in the end I should've tried Canon - more people have recommended it, but in the last moment I changed my mind and switched to HP because customer ratings for Canon products were low on Amazon....


On 5/21/2020 7:38 AM, Tony Malykh wrote:
Hello all,
I am looking to buy a new scanner as my old one just died. However I've heard that scanner drivers from many manufacturers tend to be not very accessible. Can anyone recommend me which scanner (or scanner+printer) comes with accessible driver/accompanying software?
Thanks!
Tony


.


ccleaner insites? accessible? discussion maybe?

 

Hi all.

A while ago several months in fact as a user of ccleaner I recieved via their news letter a servey to tell piriform about their product and how good it was.

Of course I naturally opend up a can on how bad it was, etc and all that.

Today I got a message saying there is a panel going up, and asked me to join in one of the questions there was a question about screen readers.

I don't know what this means, but this could be a step in the right direction.

So my first thing to do is work on their accessibility issues.

The first one is the control panel with all the checkboxes.

My second are the settings in particular the button that switches on and off smartclean, I had to use narator to check that button else nvda would jump past it.

Third is healthcheck itself, I am going to ask them to either make it accessible or have it turned off by default for screenreader users because we don't really need it anyway.

Then there are add banners and messages which themselves are not accessible as they currently are.

Finally, there is the startup of smart clean and other things on installd  versions which we don't use or need and which can be a bother to turn off.

Then finally last but not least, its the bundled software that is installed, I know they need advertising for their free versions, and if they really want sponsored listings and such they can open a page on their site with all the extras, sponsered software, etc if they must but not bundle it in.

Avast aint that good, its not accessible and all the extras do is screw up our systems.

I'd also like to add portable mode to installers.

This is most of what I'd want.

The most important are the controlpanel, buttons in settings and the health check for the first bash.

Hell if they just got the control panel right and maybe the buttons in settings it should be a blooming good start.

The panel indicated direct feadback live was another possibility so I would really like this.

If others get this mail I'd encourage joining the panel.

It seems that piriform or ccleaner or avast or whatever they are called are trying to do the right thing here.

Its an awesome step in the right direction.

Now on top of the windows update being so good, keeping 99.9% of all my settings in tact and all, I am a really happy user.


Re: Accessible scanner drivers

Tony Malykh
 

Will hp easystart,  allow me to use fancy features, like scanning directly to Dropbox? I know this printer supports this feature, but now I'm not sure whether I'd be able to use it...

On 5/27/2020 11:49 AM, Shaun Everiss wrote:
Hmmm hp smart is not in any shape or form accessible.

You should go through all the sections, you need to install something called hp easystart, this may or may not work even gets you to set your eservice account.

Now if you don't feel comfortable with that, there is probably a version of your driver in the utilities section though easystart will know what that usually is as there can be multiple versions.

Easystart is still got a few access issues but at least you should be able to read the screens.

In general for hp devices you will need the basic drivers package, and the full driver utility package, and if it comes with ocr software packages depending what that is I'd get that to.

After you get into the websetup on the networked printer, you can do that by finding your unit in network rightclicking with appkey, and selecting view webpage, you can go to tools or settings and maybe admin, and click firmware update or click status and firmware update or search for firmware update,

hitting that and the update button will cause hp to dial home and update, setting this to automatic will usually get updates, though every so often I like to double check to make sure its done as sometimes it will ask you to confirm that the update is installed and ready.



On 28/05/2020 3:52 am, Tony Malykh wrote:
After reading all the replies, I decided to try HP - I bought printer+scanner HP 8035 - one of the top models on Amazon. They offer to install this tool called HP Smart to configure your device. Unfortunately this tool seems to be not accessible - I tried with NVDA and Jaws. Most buttons are not marked, most list elements cannot be read by either screenreader. It seems like the state of accessibility hasn't changed much since 5 years ago. Now I'd have to ask someone sighted to configure it. Maybe in the end I should've tried Canon - more people have recommended it, but in the last moment I changed my mind and switched to HP because customer ratings for Canon products were low on Amazon....


On 5/21/2020 7:38 AM, Tony Malykh wrote:
Hello all,
I am looking to buy a new scanner as my old one just died. However I've heard that scanner drivers from many manufacturers tend to be not very accessible. Can anyone recommend me which scanner (or scanner+printer) comes with accessible driver/accompanying software?
Thanks!
Tony


.


Re: Accessible scanner drivers

 

Well you will need sighted assistance to configure the wifi on your hp printer first then you can access it via your computer.

On 28/05/2020 7:05 am, Howard Traxler wrote:
My WiFi is my LAN.  One in the same.

On 5/27/2020 1:50 PM, Shaun Everiss wrote:
I have had no issues with hp printer connecting to wifi though to be honest if you can get a printer that can connect to wifi and lan and can put it in a central area, connecting direct to lan is probably the easiest accessibility wize for a blind user.



On 28/05/2020 3:58 am, Louis Maher wrote:
Hello,

I had a great deal of trouble trying to find an HP printer that could reliably connect to Wi-Fi.



Regards
Louis Maher
Phone: 713-444-7838
E-mail ljmaher03@...

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tony Malykh
Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2020 10:52 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessible scanner drivers

After reading all the replies, I decided to try HP - I bought
printer+scanner HP 8035 - one of the top models on Amazon. They offer to
install this tool called HP Smart to configure your device.
Unfortunately this tool seems to be not accessible - I tried with NVDA and Jaws. Most buttons are not marked, most list elements cannot be read by either screenreader. It seems like the state of accessibility hasn't changed much since 5 years ago. Now I'd have to ask someone sighted to configure it. Maybe in the end I should've tried Canon - more people have recommended it, but in the last moment I changed my mind and switched to HP because customer ratings for Canon products were low on Amazon....


On 5/21/2020 7:38 AM, Tony Malykh wrote:
Hello all,
I am looking to buy a new scanner as my old one just died. However
I've heard that scanner drivers from many manufacturers tend to be not
very accessible. Can anyone recommend me which scanner (or
scanner+printer) comes with accessible driver/accompanying software?
Thanks!
Tony






Re: New with NVDA need help

Luke Davis
 

Do you need to just turn it off in the current session?
If insert+q, or capslock+q, or numpad insert+q (insert is the numpad zero key with numlock off) isn't working for you, you can:

Press insert+n, which opens the NVDA menu. Then move up once, and you should be on exit. Select that option.

If you can't get to the NVDA menu, selecting the NVDA item in the notifications area of the system tray, should get you the menu.

You can also kill NVDA in task switcher, like any other program.

If you are trying to keep NVDA from starting, you can, with NVDA running, press NVDA+n (NVDA key in that context is one of the insert keys I mentioned above), go to preferences, then to settings, then to general, and un-check the box for automatically start NVDA on login.
Do check the box for save settings on exit, if it isn't already, then press OK.
Then restart Windows, if you can't otherwise stop NVDA.

And, while there's nothing wrong with asking if you have trouble, all of this is in the NVDA manual that comes with the program.

Luke

On Mon, 25 May 2020, Mard, Elizabeth@DDS wrote:

Actually, it did not work. I need to turn it off and the NVDA q is not working.


Re: Accessible scanner drivers

Howard Traxler
 

My WiFi is my LAN.  One in the same.

On 5/27/2020 1:50 PM, Shaun Everiss wrote:
I have had no issues with hp printer connecting to wifi though to be honest if you can get a printer that can connect to wifi and lan and can put it in a central area, connecting direct to lan is probably the easiest accessibility wize for a blind user.



On 28/05/2020 3:58 am, Louis Maher wrote:
Hello,

I had a great deal of trouble trying to find an HP printer that could reliably connect to Wi-Fi.



Regards
Louis Maher
Phone: 713-444-7838
E-mail ljmaher03@...

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tony Malykh
Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2020 10:52 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessible scanner drivers

After reading all the replies, I decided to try HP - I bought
printer+scanner HP 8035 - one of the top models on Amazon. They offer to
install this tool called HP Smart to configure your device.
Unfortunately this tool seems to be not accessible - I tried with NVDA and Jaws. Most buttons are not marked, most list elements cannot be read by either screenreader. It seems like the state of accessibility hasn't changed much since 5 years ago. Now I'd have to ask someone sighted to configure it. Maybe in the end I should've tried Canon - more people have recommended it, but in the last moment I changed my mind and switched to HP because customer ratings for Canon products were low on Amazon....


On 5/21/2020 7:38 AM, Tony Malykh wrote:
Hello all,
I am looking to buy a new scanner as my old one just died. However
I've heard that scanner drivers from many manufacturers tend to be not
very accessible. Can anyone recommend me which scanner (or
scanner+printer) comes with accessible driver/accompanying software?
Thanks!
Tony




Re: Accessible scanner drivers

 

I have had no issues with hp printer connecting to wifi though to be honest if you can get a printer that can connect to wifi and lan and can put it in a central area, connecting direct to lan is probably the easiest accessibility wize for a blind user.

On 28/05/2020 3:58 am, Louis Maher wrote:
Hello,

I had a great deal of trouble trying to find an HP printer that could reliably connect to Wi-Fi.



Regards
Louis Maher
Phone: 713-444-7838
E-mail ljmaher03@...

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tony Malykh
Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2020 10:52 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessible scanner drivers

After reading all the replies, I decided to try HP - I bought
printer+scanner HP 8035 - one of the top models on Amazon. They offer to
install this tool called HP Smart to configure your device.
Unfortunately this tool seems to be not accessible - I tried with NVDA and Jaws. Most buttons are not marked, most list elements cannot be read by either screenreader. It seems like the state of accessibility hasn't changed much since 5 years ago. Now I'd have to ask someone sighted to configure it. Maybe in the end I should've tried Canon - more people have recommended it, but in the last moment I changed my mind and switched to HP because customer ratings for Canon products were low on Amazon....


On 5/21/2020 7:38 AM, Tony Malykh wrote:
Hello all,
I am looking to buy a new scanner as my old one just died. However
I've heard that scanner drivers from many manufacturers tend to be not
very accessible. Can anyone recommend me which scanner (or
scanner+printer) comes with accessible driver/accompanying software?
Thanks!
Tony



Re: Accessible scanner drivers

 

Hmmm hp smart is not in any shape or form accessible.

You should go through all the sections, you need to install something called hp easystart, this may or may not work even gets you to set your eservice account.

Now if you don't feel comfortable with that, there is probably a version of your driver in the utilities section though easystart will know what that usually is as there can be multiple versions.

Easystart is still got a few access issues but at least you should be able to read the screens.

In general for hp devices you will need the basic drivers package, and the full driver utility package, and if it comes with ocr software packages depending what that is I'd get that to.

After you get into the websetup on the networked printer, you can do that by finding your unit in network rightclicking with appkey, and selecting view webpage, you can go to tools or settings and maybe admin, and click firmware update or click status and firmware update or search for firmware update,

hitting that and the update button will cause hp to dial home and update, setting this to automatic will usually get updates, though every so often I like to double check to make sure its done as sometimes it will ask you to confirm that the update is installed and ready.

On 28/05/2020 3:52 am, Tony Malykh wrote:
After reading all the replies, I decided to try HP - I bought printer+scanner HP 8035 - one of the top models on Amazon. They offer to install this tool called HP Smart to configure your device. Unfortunately this tool seems to be not accessible - I tried with NVDA and Jaws. Most buttons are not marked, most list elements cannot be read by either screenreader. It seems like the state of accessibility hasn't changed much since 5 years ago. Now I'd have to ask someone sighted to configure it. Maybe in the end I should've tried Canon - more people have recommended it, but in the last moment I changed my mind and switched to HP because customer ratings for Canon products were low on Amazon....


On 5/21/2020 7:38 AM, Tony Malykh wrote:
Hello all,
I am looking to buy a new scanner as my old one just died. However I've heard that scanner drivers from many manufacturers tend to be not very accessible. Can anyone recommend me which scanner (or scanner+printer) comes with accessible driver/accompanying software?
Thanks!
Tony

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Re: Cursor Announcement

Marilyn and Don Bilderback
 

Thanks for this explanation and to Brian also.  You inadvertently solved the problem of why I always got bumped  out of an area when I wanted to do more things. I don’t know what I would do if it weren’t for these tech lists.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2020 12:43 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Cursor Announcement

 

This is a long explanation, but, as you will see, knowing what I am going to say will help you work in certain kinds of dialogs more efficiently.  And if you don't know how to move through these dialogs, knowing what I will describe will help you look around unfamiliar programs, which is a valuable skill.

 

You hear over and over that you should press apply, then ok. in dialogs where both are present for any time you change something.  That is a minor misconception, but it is perhaps the most widespread one I've seen regarding Windows use.  This widespread belief also shows how people don't use logic in figuring out computer operations.  Why are both available if the first is simply redundant?  This question arises, or it should,  when you hear this constant misconception stated. 

 

It does no harm to do this when there is no need, but apply usually doesn't have to be pressed if you make a change and then you want to leave the dialog and save the change.

 

In a multipage dialog, where one of the items is a sort of bar you move through with the arrow keys, where you might hear things like general, options, advanced and where every item you move to changes what you see in the dialog to let you work with those settings, you can make changes in one part of the dialog, general, for example, then press apply to save them, stay in the dialog, move to advanced, for example, make changes, and if you are finished, press ok to save and leave the dialog in one step.

 

Control tab and control shift tab may also move you from one part of such a dialog to another and at times, using both control tab will move you and using the right and left arrow keys will move you, at times you can only move using control tab and shift control tab, in other dialogs, only the left and right arrow will move you.  it depends on how the dialog is constructed.

 

The NVDA settings dialog is that kind of dialog.  But instead of the left and right arrow, you use the up and down arrows to move through categories. 

Open the NVDA menu, control n, then open preferences.  In preferences, open settings.

You are now in a dialog where you can move to categories and then tab through the dialog and make changes in that category.  if you use the apply button, you are taken to the categories list again and the settings have been saved while you remain in the dialog, ready to make other changes in other categories.  Wen you make the last change you want to make anywhere in the dialog, if you use ok, your last settings or setting whatever you did in the category you just worked in, will be saved and the dialog will close.  All your previous settings were already saved.  It’s a convenience feature to allow you to make as many changes as you like in a category, apply them, make changes in a new category, apply them, etc. without having to use ok, leave the dialog every time you want to save changes and work in a new category.

 

Also, if you use apply, cancel won't revert what you changed.  Apply is just that, apply, it does what ok does but it doesn't close the dialogue.  So when you make changes, don't use apply unless you are sure, just as you wouldn't use ok unless you are sure.

 

Gene

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Sent: Monday, May 25, 2020 10:18 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Cursor Announcement

 

Well Gene, so far so good.  I haven’t heard it since I followed your directions.  Can you tell me what the difference is between pressing the OK and the apply one?

 

Thanks so much.

Maarilyn

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Monday, May 25, 2020 8:01 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Curser

 

It's probably report mouse shape changes setting.

Open mouse settings, control NVDA m, Then read the current line.  I think you are on the setting to turn this on and off.  if it is checked, uncheck it with the space bar.

Tab to and activate the o.k. button.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Monday, May 25, 2020 9:50 PM

Subject: [nvda] Curser

 

I don’t know what caused this but today my computer has started saying “edit curser”, app star curser and normal curser.  However it got there, How do I get it to stop?  Marilyn

Windows 10, N V D A and Outlook 2019


Re: Accessible scanner drivers

 

On Wed, May 27, 2020 at 11:52 AM, Tony Malykh wrote:
I bought printer+scanner HP 8035
Which, if purchased through Amazon, should be a cinch to return should you so choose.   One of the things I've loved about Amazon and technology is how easy making returns on same, no questions asked, generally is.

HP should also be "complained at" about this situation.   If you choose to keep the device I would be calling their technical support and insisting they remote in to set things up, and tell them that, had they made the setup software accessible, there'd be no need for their involvement.  A company of the size and scope of HP has no excuses whatsoever for producing inaccessible software at this point in history.  It's not rocket science, and virtually all the majors have been doing so for a while now. 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

Science has become just another voice in the room; it has lost its platform.  Now, you simply declare your own truth.

      ~ Dr. Paul A. Offit, in New York Times article, How Anti-Vaccine Sentiment Took Hold in the United States, September 23, 2019

 

 


Re: zoom not reading in edit areas

Jonathan Milam
 

I've seen the same thing too!!

Jonathan

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss
Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2020 3:25 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] zoom not reading in edit areas

Hi all.

This may well be a ticketed item, but I thought before I waste the devs time
with this that I put it here.

A couple days ago I was involved in a zoom meating.

They heavily used the text boxes for q&a, the chat boxes, and the like.

Nvda would read letters as I typed them in but if I hit backspace it
wouldn't read the letters I was deleting, I also couldn't read anything in
any edit field though I could read all output data just fine just input form
data in input boxes.

Its the only thing I couldn't do.

Shaun


Re: Accessible scanner drivers

Louis Maher
 

Hello,

I had a great deal of trouble trying to find an HP printer that could reliably connect to Wi-Fi.



Regards
Louis Maher
Phone: 713-444-7838
E-mail ljmaher03@...

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tony Malykh
Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2020 10:52 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessible scanner drivers

After reading all the replies, I decided to try HP - I bought
printer+scanner HP 8035 - one of the top models on Amazon. They offer to
install this tool called HP Smart to configure your device.
Unfortunately this tool seems to be not accessible - I tried with NVDA and Jaws. Most buttons are not marked, most list elements cannot be read by either screenreader. It seems like the state of accessibility hasn't changed much since 5 years ago. Now I'd have to ask someone sighted to configure it. Maybe in the end I should've tried Canon - more people have recommended it, but in the last moment I changed my mind and switched to HP because customer ratings for Canon products were low on Amazon....


On 5/21/2020 7:38 AM, Tony Malykh wrote:
Hello all,
I am looking to buy a new scanner as my old one just died. However
I've heard that scanner drivers from many manufacturers tend to be not
very accessible. Can anyone recommend me which scanner (or
scanner+printer) comes with accessible driver/accompanying software?
Thanks!
Tony