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Re: speaking commands

Rui Fontes
 

And, it is not so difficult to implement my suggestion:

1 - Typable keys, including letters, numbers, accents, like accut, grabv, tilde, circunflex, diaresis and so on, and enter;

2 - Arrow keys;

3 - Command keys, all other keys.


After that, close all tickets about this.

If after that, someone reopens or create new tickets, the solution can be evaluated again...


Rui Fontes

NVDA portuguese team



Às 15:05 de 24/06/2020, David Griffith escreveu:

 

I agree absolutely – it never made any sense at all to me that people who needed assistance with locating control keys would inevitably also have similar problems locating and using the routine cursor keys.

It seemed a bizarre design assumption from the  first to compel noisy feedback from every push of a cursor key if you wanted to  avail yourself of reassurance with the use of a control key like alt or control etc.

David Griffith

David Griffith

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Rui Fontes
Sent: 24 June 2020 01:28
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] speaking commands

 

Hello!

 

Have you seen the implementation made by paulber in his add-on NVDAExtensionGlobalPlugin?

 

I have already gave suggestions in this issue.

Reading the issue, most people agree that arrow keys should be treated differently from other command keys...

 

And one of my suggestions have benn backed up by two or three other participants in the issue...

 

Regards,

 

Rui Fontes

NVDA portuguese team

 

Rui Fontes

NVDA portuguese team

 

 

Às 00:17 de 24/06/2020, Quentin Christensen escreveu:

Rui,

 

There has been discussion on this: https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/6553

 

Much of the issue is that everyone has different ideas on the best way forward for this.  If anyone has new ideas, then do, please comment on that issue.

 

Quentin.

 

On Tue, Jun 23, 2020 at 9:12 PM Rui Fontes <rui.fontes@...> wrote:

Quentin, have you already tried to work with NVDA in those conditions?

 

NVDA needs, urgently, a way to filter some keypresses from being announced...

 

See issues #5484, #5608 and many more..

 

Rui Fontes

 

 

Às 04:34 de 23/06/2020, Quentin Christensen escreveu:

If you press NVDA+4, or toggle "Speak command keys" in NVDA's keyboard settings, it will speak keys such as ENTER or CONTROL+S.

 

NVDA doesn't automatically know that CONTROL+S is save, so it generally won't automatically announce that, however if the keystroke brings up something like a save dialog, then that would be announced (for instance the first time you press control+s in a new document in Word).

 

Not directly related to control+s, but there is a "clipspeak" add-on which will report the functions of some keys such as control+c (Copy) and control+v (paste) where they perform those functions: https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/clipspeak.en.html

 

Kind regards

 

Quentin.

 

On Tue, Jun 23, 2020 at 12:17 PM Grant Metcalf <the.gems@...> wrote:

I am hoping that sometime soon the NVDA developers will have NVDA speak commands such as “control-save”. I am always in doubt if I have been able to save the file I am working on. Mostly I use the text editor Notepad and very occasionally Wordpad for “RTF” files. Granpa DOS would appreciate all efforts the developers would exert toward making the very basic commands speak!

Cordially yours.

 

Listening for HIS shout!

Grant Metcalf

 

 

 

--

Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

 

 

 

--

Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

 

 


Re: speaking commands

David Griffith
 

 

I agree absolutely – it never made any sense at all to me that people who needed assistance with locating control keys would inevitably also have similar problems locating and using the routine cursor keys.

It seemed a bizarre design assumption from the  first to compel noisy feedback from every push of a cursor key if you wanted to  avail yourself of reassurance with the use of a control key like alt or control etc.

David Griffith

David Griffith

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Rui Fontes
Sent: 24 June 2020 01:28
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] speaking commands

 

Hello!

 

Have you seen the implementation made by paulber in his add-on NVDAExtensionGlobalPlugin?

 

I have already gave suggestions in this issue.

Reading the issue, most people agree that arrow keys should be treated differently from other command keys...

 

And one of my suggestions have benn backed up by two or three other participants in the issue...

 

Regards,

 

Rui Fontes

NVDA portuguese team

 

Rui Fontes

NVDA portuguese team

 

 

Às 00:17 de 24/06/2020, Quentin Christensen escreveu:

Rui,

 

There has been discussion on this: https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/6553

 

Much of the issue is that everyone has different ideas on the best way forward for this.  If anyone has new ideas, then do, please comment on that issue.

 

Quentin.

 

On Tue, Jun 23, 2020 at 9:12 PM Rui Fontes <rui.fontes@...> wrote:

Quentin, have you already tried to work with NVDA in those conditions?

 

NVDA needs, urgently, a way to filter some keypresses from being announced...

 

See issues #5484, #5608 and many more..

 

Rui Fontes

 

 

Às 04:34 de 23/06/2020, Quentin Christensen escreveu:

If you press NVDA+4, or toggle "Speak command keys" in NVDA's keyboard settings, it will speak keys such as ENTER or CONTROL+S.

 

NVDA doesn't automatically know that CONTROL+S is save, so it generally won't automatically announce that, however if the keystroke brings up something like a save dialog, then that would be announced (for instance the first time you press control+s in a new document in Word).

 

Not directly related to control+s, but there is a "clipspeak" add-on which will report the functions of some keys such as control+c (Copy) and control+v (paste) where they perform those functions: https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/clipspeak.en.html

 

Kind regards

 

Quentin.

 

On Tue, Jun 23, 2020 at 12:17 PM Grant Metcalf <the.gems@...> wrote:

I am hoping that sometime soon the NVDA developers will have NVDA speak commands such as “control-save”. I am always in doubt if I have been able to save the file I am working on. Mostly I use the text editor Notepad and very occasionally Wordpad for “RTF” files. Granpa DOS would appreciate all efforts the developers would exert toward making the very basic commands speak!

Cordially yours.

 

Listening for HIS shout!

Grant Metcalf

 

 

 

--

Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

 

 

 

--

Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

 

 


Re: Why does NVDA default to no Braille?

Nightowl <nightowl145@...>
 

Hi,


Yes, this only happens when I restart the machine, not when quitting NVDA, then restarting it from the desktop or its shortcut. Anyway, not a big problem.


Thanks.


Nightowl

On 6/24/2020 10:13 AM, Luke Davis wrote:
Just to be sure I understand: this only happens after you restart the machine?

It doesn't happen if you just restart NVDA?

If the braille display is working, and you completely quit NVDA then restart it from the desktop shortcut or control+alt+n, the braille display will still be working?

Luke
 On Wed, 24 Jun 2020, Nightowl wrote:

Hi,


I am using the latest version of NVDA, and I have saved my settings configuration. My problem of NVDA defaulting to no Braille happens when I shut down my PC then switches it on again. Perhaps there is some conflict between Narrator and NVDA. Anyhow, it's not too much of a problem, just a little annoying having to restart NVDA each time I turn on my PC.


Than you all.


Nightowl



On 6/23/2020 9:25 PM, Gene wrote:
The easiest way to save settings manually is to use the command control NVDA key c.  You will hear an announcement configuration saved, or something very similar.

It is better to turn off automatic saving of settings on exit and save settings manually you intend to keep.  What if Windows unexpectedly shuts down when you are trying settings you don't know if you want to save?  If you have automatic saving of settings enabled, the settings will be saved, whether you want them to be or not.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Samuel Kacer
Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 2020 2:33 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Why does NVDA default to no Braille?


Hi, I think the issue is that your NVDA is probably set to not save changes to settings when it shuts down. Whenever you change some settings and you want them to persist in your next session, open nvda menu (NVDA + N), and select the save configuration option  (S). Now your settings should be saved. Test this is so by restarting NVDA and checking if everything is all right.

Also, if you want to use narrator, you don't need to quit NVDA. You can turn on sleep mode for your current application by pressing NVDA + shift + S and NVDA will be disabled for that application. Press the keyboard shortcut to toggle off sleep mode.


On Tue, Jun 23, 2020 at 2:58 PM zahra <nasrinkhaksar3@...> wrote:
hello.
which version of nvda do you use?
the first sentence about nvda 2018.3 is:
automatic detection of many Braille displays.
so, dont worry. nvda supports your braile display i need.
also, you can refer to the nvda user guide to find more informations
about different braile displays.

On 6/23/20, Nightowl <nightowl145@...> wrote:
Hi,

Just joined the group, so  excuse me if this question has been asked
before.

The question is: why does NVDA default to no Braille whenever I start
my computer? I have a Freedom Scientific PM 20 Braille display connected
to my pc via USB. What can I do to have NVDA start with Braille?

Also, if I run Narrator with Braille on, then close Narrator to run
NVDA, NVDA also then starts up with no Braille. How can I get NVDA to
start with Braille without having to go into the Braille setting to
change it to my choice of Braille display?

Thank you,
Nightowl.









Re: Why does NVDA default to no Braille?

Luke Davis
 

Just to be sure I understand: this only happens after you restart the machine?

It doesn't happen if you just restart NVDA?

If the braille display is working, and you completely quit NVDA then restart it from the desktop shortcut or control+alt+n, the braille display will still be working?

Luke

On Wed, 24 Jun 2020, Nightowl wrote:

Hi,


I am using the latest version of NVDA, and I have saved my settings configuration. My problem of NVDA defaulting to no Braille happens when I shut down my PC then switches it on again. Perhaps there is some conflict between Narrator and NVDA. Anyhow, it's not too much of a problem, just a little annoying having to restart NVDA each time I turn on my PC.


Than you all.


Nightowl



On 6/23/2020 9:25 PM, Gene wrote:
The easiest way to save settings manually is to use the command control NVDA key c.  You will hear an announcement configuration saved, or something very similar.
It is better to turn off automatic saving of settings on exit and save settings manually you intend to keep.  What if Windows unexpectedly shuts down when you are trying settings you don't know if you want to save?  If you have automatic saving of settings enabled, the settings will be saved, whether you want them to be or not.
Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Samuel Kacer
Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 2020 2:33 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Why does NVDA default to no Braille?
Hi, I think the issue is that your NVDA is probably set to not save changes to settings when it shuts down. Whenever you change some settings and you want them to persist in your next session, open nvda menu (NVDA + N), and select the save configuration option  (S). Now your settings should be saved. Test this is so by restarting NVDA and checking if everything is all right.
Also, if you want to use narrator, you don't need to quit NVDA. You can turn on sleep mode for your current application by pressing NVDA + shift + S and NVDA will be disabled for that application. Press the keyboard shortcut to toggle off sleep mode.
On Tue, Jun 23, 2020 at 2:58 PM zahra <nasrinkhaksar3@...> wrote:
hello.
which version of nvda do you use?
the first sentence about nvda 2018.3 is:
automatic detection of many Braille displays.
so, dont worry. nvda supports your braile display i need.
also, you can refer to the nvda user guide to find more informations
about different braile displays.
On 6/23/20, Nightowl <nightowl145@...> wrote:
Hi,
Just joined the group, so  excuse me if this question has been asked
before.
The question is: why does NVDA default to no Braille whenever I start
my computer? I have a Freedom Scientific PM 20 Braille display connected
to my pc via USB. What can I do to have NVDA start with Braille?
Also, if I run Narrator with Braille on, then close Narrator to run
NVDA, NVDA also then starts up with no Braille. How can I get NVDA to
start with Braille without having to go into the Braille setting to
change it to my choice of Braille display?
Thank you,
Nightowl.


Re: Why does NVDA default to no Braille?

Nightowl <nightowl145@...>
 

Hi,


I am using the latest version of NVDA, and I have saved my settings configuration. My problem of NVDA defaulting to no Braille happens when I shut down my PC then switches it on again. Perhaps there is some conflict between Narrator and NVDA. Anyhow, it's not too much of a problem, just a little annoying having to restart NVDA each time I turn on my PC.


Than you all.


Nightowl

On 6/23/2020 9:25 PM, Gene wrote:
The easiest way to save settings manually is to use the command control NVDA key c.  You will hear an announcement configuration saved, or something very similar.

It is better to turn off automatic saving of settings on exit and save settings manually you intend to keep.  What if Windows unexpectedly shuts down when you are trying settings you don't know if you want to save?  If you have automatic saving of settings enabled, the settings will be saved, whether you want them to be or not.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Samuel Kacer
Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 2020 2:33 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Why does NVDA default to no Braille?


Hi, I think the issue is that your NVDA is probably set to not save changes to settings when it shuts down. Whenever you change some settings and you want them to persist in your next session, open nvda menu (NVDA + N), and select the save configuration option  (S). Now your settings should be saved. Test this is so by restarting NVDA and checking if everything is all right.

Also, if you want to use narrator, you don't need to quit NVDA. You can turn on sleep mode for your current application by pressing NVDA + shift + S and NVDA will be disabled for that application. Press the keyboard shortcut to toggle off sleep mode.


On Tue, Jun 23, 2020 at 2:58 PM zahra <nasrinkhaksar3@...> wrote:
hello.
which version of nvda do you use?
the first sentence about nvda 2018.3 is:
automatic detection of many Braille displays.
so, dont worry. nvda supports your braile display i need.
also, you can refer to the nvda user guide to find more informations
about different braile displays.

On 6/23/20, Nightowl <nightowl145@...> wrote:
Hi,

Just joined the group, so  excuse me if this question has been asked
before.

The question is: why does NVDA default to no Braille whenever I start
my computer? I have a Freedom Scientific PM 20 Braille display connected
to my pc via USB. What can I do to have NVDA start with Braille?

Also, if I run Narrator with Braille on, then close Narrator to run
NVDA, NVDA also then starts up with no Braille. How can I get NVDA to
start with Braille without having to go into the Braille setting to
change it to my choice of Braille display?

Thank you,
Nightowl.







Re: windows ten and nvda 2017 versions:

 

but i am sure that i use nvda 2017.3 at most in any version of windows.
i love the version that support all operating systems and 2017.3 is
the last one that has this capability!

On 6/24/20, Luke Davis <luke@...> wrote:
Just for the record, for anyone who wants it for some obscure reason, 2017.3
can
be downloaded directly from NV Access, at https://nvaccess.org/download.

But seriously people, please don't. Unless you're running Vista or XP, you
don't
want or need this. There is no, zero, as in not any, positive value to
running
2017.3 under Windows 10.

Luke

On Tue, 23 Jun 2020, Arlene wrote:

Hey Zarah, I did have 17.2 and 17.3 on my external hard drive. I think I
did get rid of it. I might have done it on my 7 box before it bit the
dust. My room
mate told me that Ihad dumped it. I knew I was coming to windows ten. So
she did tell me I dumped it. She dumped it when she used a thumb drive
that I
had it on. I do like the voice it now comes with. I hope Luke or someone
gives you the link so you can go get your 17.2 or 17.3. I don’t want it.
Is your
xp computer dying? The windows commands are somewhat the same. But it’s a

little different from xp. You wont have outlook express like you do with
xp.


--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali


Re: windows ten and nvda 2017 versions:

 

hi Arlene.
i have these versions of nvda,
i thought that you or roommate need this version, and i asked that can
i send it for you?!
is it permissable?

On 6/23/20, Arlene <nedster66@...> wrote:
Hey Zarah, I did have 17.2 and 17.3 on my external hard drive. I think I did
get rid of it. I might have done it on my 7 box before it bit the dust. My
room mate told me that Ihad dumped it. I knew I was coming to windows ten.
So she did tell me I dumped it. She dumped it when she used a thumb drive
that I had it on. I do like the voice it now comes with. I hope Luke or
someone gives you the link so you can go get your 17.2 or 17.3. I don’t
want it. Is your xp computer dying? The windows commands are somewhat the
same. But it’s a little different from xp. You wont have outlook express
like you do with xp.



Sent from Mail for Windows 10



From: zahra
Sent: June 23, 2020 5:23 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] windows ten and nvda 2017 versions:



Luke,

thanks for your helping me.

i sent you email and i waiting for your help off list.



On 6/23/20, Luke Davis <luke@...> wrote:

You may, although since I don't regularly use that old version for other
than
testing purposes, I don't know how much help I will be. But you're welcome
to
try.
I will also note, that Espeak has definite issues under Windows 10 and
2017.3.
The longer the text you read, the more harsh and distorted Espeak becomes,
until
it reaches some threshold and resets.
Espeak is definitely not pleasant in that use case. Some people might say
it
never is, but for someone like me who uses and prefers it, under 2017.3 it
is
difficult to listen to after a short time.
But you're welcome to ask your questions.
Luke
On Tue, 23 Jun 2020, zahra wrote:
thanks so much for your reply!
may i contact you offline and ask some questions in this regard?
however, my favorite version of nvda is 2017.2.
but espeak in 2017.3 is also good,
and there is no difference about espeak between these versions.




--

By God,

were I given all the seven heavens

with all they contain

in order that

I may disobey God

by depriving an ant

from the husk of a grain of barley,

I would not do it.

imam ali







--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali


Re: nvda add-on for internet download manager

 

Not that I know of.  But if you happen to be a VLC user it's worth taking a look at this page, 11 VLC Tricks & Hidden Features You Must Know, where a discussion of how to use VLC to download YouTube Video is one of those "tricks."
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

Science has become just another voice in the room; it has lost its platform.  Now, you simply declare your own truth.

      ~ Dr. Paul A. Offit, in New York Times article, How Anti-Vaccine Sentiment Took Hold in the United States, September 23, 2019

 

 


nvda add-on for internet download manager

Aschalew Byness
 

Is there any nvda add-on for internet download manager to make it
accessible on YouTube? 'cause,internet download manager is not
accessible to download videos from YouTube. Thanks!


An important announcement about Enhanced Touch Gestures add-on: major features to be removed in a future add-on release

 

Hello all,

 

At least I’m almost done with the summer vacation (yay)… Thanks for all your encouragements.

 

The following announcement is for users of Enhanced Touch Gestures add-on:

 

A future version of NVDA will include two major features from Enhanced Touch Gestures add-on, namely the ability to toggle touch support from everywhere and a command to do just that. These two features were added in Enhanced Touch Gestures add-on back in 2017. Three years later, these features are being reviewed for inclusion in a future version of NVDA.

 

However, there is one more feature that’s part of the add-on that must be discontinued due to the above changes: touch passthrough. You can ask NVDA to suspend touch gestures for up to ten seconds. However, now that there is a possibility that touch gestures support might be turned on and off with a keyboard command, there is no need for automatic touch passthrough. As a result, this feature will be removed from the add-on.

 

To help with this transition, the following will happen in Enhanced Touch Gestures 20.07 and later:

 

  • A dedicated keyboard command will be added to toggle touch support (or rather, invoke touch passthrough). This is so that when the version of NVDA with that command shows up, it would be easy for you to toggle touch support from everywhere without learning a new command. Tentatively this will be assigned to NVDA+Shift+T but that can change (I know that there are add-ons that are using this command; but if an NVDA feature requires this command, NVDA should be given priority).
  • Automatic touch passthrough feature is hereby deprecated; it’ll be removed in a future add-on release.
  • The only things you can really configure from Enhanced Touch Gestures settings panel are touch support toggle and touch passthrough. As these features are being removed from the add-on, there is no need for this. Thus Enhanced Touch Gestures settings panel will be removed in add-on 20.07 except for users of older NVDA releases where there is no way to toggle touch support easily.

 

Because these changes require quite a long time to test, Enhanced Touch Gestures 20.07 will be delayed by up to a week (originally planned for early July). In the meantime, I’ll release version 20.06.2 to address compatibility issues discovered during testing (and for some of you, 20.06.2 is the last version where Enhanced Touch Gestures settings panel will be shown).

Thanks.

Cheers,

Joseph


Re: speaking commands

Rui Fontes
 

Hello!


Have you seen the implementation made by paulber in his add-on NVDAExtensionGlobalPlugin?


I have already gave suggestions in this issue.

Reading the issue, most people agree that arrow keys should be treated differently from other command keys...


And one of my suggestions have benn backed up by two or three other participants in the issue...


Regards,


Rui Fontes

NVDA portuguese team


Rui Fontes

NVDA portuguese team



Às 00:17 de 24/06/2020, Quentin Christensen escreveu:

Rui,

There has been discussion on this: https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/6553

Much of the issue is that everyone has different ideas on the best way forward for this.  If anyone has new ideas, then do, please comment on that issue.

Quentin.

On Tue, Jun 23, 2020 at 9:12 PM Rui Fontes <rui.fontes@...> wrote:

Quentin, have you already tried to work with NVDA in those conditions?


NVDA needs, urgently, a way to filter some keypresses from being announced...


See issues #5484, #5608 and many more...


Rui Fontes



Às 04:34 de 23/06/2020, Quentin Christensen escreveu:
If you press NVDA+4, or toggle "Speak command keys" in NVDA's keyboard settings, it will speak keys such as ENTER or CONTROL+S.

NVDA doesn't automatically know that CONTROL+S is save, so it generally won't automatically announce that, however if the keystroke brings up something like a save dialog, then that would be announced (for instance the first time you press control+s in a new document in Word).

Not directly related to control+s, but there is a "clipspeak" add-on which will report the functions of some keys such as control+c (Copy) and control+v (paste) where they perform those functions: https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/clipspeak.en.html

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Tue, Jun 23, 2020 at 12:17 PM Grant Metcalf <the.gems@...> wrote:
I am hoping that sometime soon the NVDA developers will have NVDA speak commands such as “control-save”. I am always in doubt if I have been able to save the file I am working on. Mostly I use the text editor Notepad and very occasionally Wordpad for “RTF” files. Granpa DOS would appreciate all efforts the developers would exert toward making the very basic commands speak!
Cordially yours.
 
Listening for HIS shout!
Grant Metcalf
 


--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager



--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager


Re: speaking commands

Quentin Christensen
 

Rui,

There has been discussion on this: https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/6553

Much of the issue is that everyone has different ideas on the best way forward for this.  If anyone has new ideas, then do, please comment on that issue.

Quentin.

On Tue, Jun 23, 2020 at 9:12 PM Rui Fontes <rui.fontes@...> wrote:

Quentin, have you already tried to work with NVDA in those conditions?


NVDA needs, urgently, a way to filter some keypresses from being announced...


See issues #5484, #5608 and many more...


Rui Fontes



Às 04:34 de 23/06/2020, Quentin Christensen escreveu:
If you press NVDA+4, or toggle "Speak command keys" in NVDA's keyboard settings, it will speak keys such as ENTER or CONTROL+S.

NVDA doesn't automatically know that CONTROL+S is save, so it generally won't automatically announce that, however if the keystroke brings up something like a save dialog, then that would be announced (for instance the first time you press control+s in a new document in Word).

Not directly related to control+s, but there is a "clipspeak" add-on which will report the functions of some keys such as control+c (Copy) and control+v (paste) where they perform those functions: https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/clipspeak.en.html

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Tue, Jun 23, 2020 at 12:17 PM Grant Metcalf <the.gems@...> wrote:
I am hoping that sometime soon the NVDA developers will have NVDA speak commands such as “control-save”. I am always in doubt if I have been able to save the file I am working on. Mostly I use the text editor Notepad and very occasionally Wordpad for “RTF” files. Granpa DOS would appreciate all efforts the developers would exert toward making the very basic commands speak!
Cordially yours.
 
Listening for HIS shout!
Grant Metcalf
 


--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager



--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager


Re: nvda's unresponsiveness to outlook.com interface

Stephen
 

Hi Lemron, can you please write to me privately?
Thanks.

----- Original Message -----
From: Lenron <lenron93@...>
Reply-To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: 6/24/2020 5:35:07 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda's unresponsiveness to outlook.com interface
________________________________________________________________________________

Hmm I keep thinking something is wrong with nvda because I can't seem
to scroll in firefox. I will scroll and then at will lock and tell me
unknown. Then I will Tab and it will fix itself for a bit.

On 6/23/20, Marisane Moruthanyana <marisanem@...> wrote:
Thank you, sir.

I will try that.

On 6/23/20, Ralf Kefferpuetz <ralf.kefferpuetz@...> wrote:
Hello,
Go to the account manager button, turnoff browse mode, press space and tab
3
times sothat you hear "sign off"

Cheers,
Ralf

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Marisane
Moruthanyana
Sent: Dienstag, 23. Juni 2020 16:45
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] nvda's unresponsiveness to outlook.com interface

Good day gentle people

I trust you are still well and safe from corona.

I am trying.

My experience is that nvda is unresponsive to outlook.com interface.

Does anyone of you have the same experience?

I cannot find the buttons to log out even when I activated the my account
submenu where these buttons are found when using jaws.

What is wrong with nvda?

Please assist.

Furthermore, is there any tutorial on nvda for outlook.com?

Your assistance is appreciated in advance.

Regards
Moruthanyana Wally: SA










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Re: Navigating a Word Document with Editable Fields?

 

Brandon,

            You might also want him to take a look at:  https://jfw.groups.io/g/main/message/75096

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NVDA 2020.2 Beta 2 now available

Quentin Christensen
 

Hi everyone,

NVDA 2020.2 Beta 2 is now available.  Changes from Beta1 include:

- Updated translations for many languages
- Small corrections to the changes file.
- No longer speak “object replacement character”
- Adds Ukrainian computer Braille table

We're encouraging as many people to test the beta as possible.  Please see the full changes and download the new beta at: https://www.nvaccess.org/post/nvda-2020-2beta2/

If you are using Beta1, it should prompt to update automatically within the next day or so.  The betas will then prompt to update to any subsequent betas, the release candidate build(s) and the final stable 2020.2 when it is released.

Kind regards

Quentin.
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Re: Navigating a Word Document with Editable Fields?

 

Hello Bryan,
Thank you, I know who built it, so I'll send them some materials on making accessible Word forms. I sent them some information on accessible PDF forms earlier, but it is slightly different in Word.
I've never used an accessible form in Word, other than some check boxes,, so didn't know what to expect.
Thank you,


On Tue, Jun 23, 2020 at 2:32 PM Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:
Brandon,

            This appears to be a very decently designed MS-Word fillable form, at least strictly from a visual standpoint, accessibility is another thing.  The form itself is password protected, so I cannot dissect the form in detail.  There do not appear to be any tables visually, and why this designer chose to use them I have no idea, as I'm hearing what you are when traversing the form.  The form just a series of text form fields, with the exception of the Date Awarded, which is a dropdown that allows selection from a calendar, though you can type in mm/dd/yyyy if you so choose.

I can tab and shift+Tab to move to the next/previous form fields.  Home/End take me to the first/last position in a form field.  But only some of the fields have any alt-text to tell you what they are.  

The text in between the fields is not accessible, nor should it be accessible, while the form is in "fillable" mode and if the designer knew what they were doing they should have placed alt text on each fillable item that tells you what the labels that are part of the form show.  They also should not have used tables in a form of this type.  There are times they're helpful, but not here.

I don't know what options you have as far as seeking assistance with, and giving feedback about, this form.  But whoever designed this doesn't know even basic accessibility principles for a fillable form.
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

Science has become just another voice in the room; it has lost its platform.  Now, you simply declare your own truth.

      ~ Dr. Paul A. Offit, in New York Times article, How Anti-Vaccine Sentiment Took Hold in the United States, September 23, 2019

 

 


Re: Navigating a Word Document with Editable Fields?

 

Brandon,

             Where there's a will, and a bit of devious research, there's a way.  This link is to a downloadable version of the form you provided earlier, but in RTF format, on my Google Drive with all protections removed:  https://drive.google.com/uc?export=download&id=1_MxI6QBGRvzVw3uq-_MLIBjn_QNB1uJV

As a result, it behaves very much like any regular word document, and you can feel free to promptly do a Save As and save it in docx format again.  I left all of the form fields in the document.  Everywhere that you need to fill in will have the phrase "Click or tap here to enter text" which you can select and actually fill in what was noted in the document just before that.  The exception is the date, where the phrase, "Click or tap here to enter date" is used.

The table format remains, but at least you should be able to hear what you need to hear in order to fill this thing out independently.

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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

Science has become just another voice in the room; it has lost its platform.  Now, you simply declare your own truth.

      ~ Dr. Paul A. Offit, in New York Times article, How Anti-Vaccine Sentiment Took Hold in the United States, September 23, 2019

 

 


Re: Navigating a Word Document with Editable Fields?

 

Brandon,

            This appears to be a very decently designed MS-Word fillable form, at least strictly from a visual standpoint, accessibility is another thing.  The form itself is password protected, so I cannot dissect the form in detail.  There do not appear to be any tables visually, and why this designer chose to use them I have no idea, as I'm hearing what you are when traversing the form.  The form just a series of text form fields, with the exception of the Date Awarded, which is a dropdown that allows selection from a calendar, though you can type in mm/dd/yyyy if you so choose.

I can tab and shift+Tab to move to the next/previous form fields.  Home/End take me to the first/last position in a form field.  But only some of the fields have any alt-text to tell you what they are.  

The text in between the fields is not accessible, nor should it be accessible, while the form is in "fillable" mode and if the designer knew what they were doing they should have placed alt text on each fillable item that tells you what the labels that are part of the form show.  They also should not have used tables in a form of this type.  There are times they're helpful, but not here.

I don't know what options you have as far as seeking assistance with, and giving feedback about, this form.  But whoever designed this doesn't know even basic accessibility principles for a fillable form.
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

Science has become just another voice in the room; it has lost its platform.  Now, you simply declare your own truth.

      ~ Dr. Paul A. Offit, in New York Times article, How Anti-Vaccine Sentiment Took Hold in the United States, September 23, 2019

 

 


Re: Navigating a Word Document with Editable Fields?

Luke Davis
 

Also don't forget about Firefox Send (https://send.firefox.com), which lets you send a file that expires after a certain number of days or downloads. (I believe 1 day and 1 download, if you don't have an account.)

On Tue, 23 Jun 2020, Brian Vogel wrote:

Dropbox, Google Drive, OneDrive, or similar is probably the best way to share a copy of this document.  I've just used a free cloud solution when I needed
to share something widely among the readership here.


Re: Navigating a Word Document with Editable Fields?

 

Hello,
Sorry, the attached word document did not come through. Here is the document to download:
(Click on the "VENDOR_SELECTION_FORM.docx" and it will download)
Thanks,

On Tue, Jun 23, 2020 at 1:58 PM Brandon Keith Biggs via groups.io <brandonkeithbiggs=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:

Hello,

I am unable to navigate this attached word document with NVDA. Does anyone know NVDA settings or word settings I can do to make this document readable?

Here are the problems:

1.       I am unable to press left or right arrow keys, or ctrl+left or ctrl+right arrow keys to move through each row.

2.       I am unable to erase content after typing it without arrowing down, out of the box, then arrowing back into the box

3.       The text in between the tables is not read by NVDA

4.       Using table navigation commands doesn't seem to work properly, from column 2, I am unable to move to column 1.

5.       When arrowing through the table, I sometimes get stuck in an endless loop, around the check boxes

6.       Arrowing up and down doesn't seem to always show the same content I just past.

Thank you,