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Use the speech recognition training program

Yeti
 

Hello List,

is there any way to effectively use the voice recognition
training program on Windows 10 with NVDA?
A setting or an add-on?
Or an accessible alternative to do the training.

My current problem is that I always have to spend annoying
time looking for the text that is to be spoken.
It cannot be focused and is not spoken automatically.

System: W10 64 and NVDA both in the last stable version.

Thank you very much for reading

yeti


Re: No speech when running NVDA.

Luke Davis
 

A couple things you can try, in addition to Jackie's suggestion:

First, in NVDA, press NVDA+control+r three times quickly, which will reset your configuration to factory defaults.
If something did get screwed up with your configuration, just removing NVDA might not fix that.

Second, with NVDA and Narrator running:

Open the Sound Volume Mixer (windows+r, sndvol, enter).

Make sure that NVDA doesn't have its volume down there, and that it's not muted.

Before you try this, make sure NVDA isn't set to no-speech--have it on Espeak, preferably. I know you checked that already, but something could be going on with your configurations.

It may be worth trying this idea before resetting your configuration, in case you don't need to reset.

Luke


Re: No speech when running NVDA.

Rob Hudson
 

NVDA does keep the c:\users\x\AppData\Roaming\NVDA folder after uninstalling. Delete that after you uninstall, then reinstall again.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Cavanaugh" <cavbob1993@gmail.com>
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2021 17:52:02 -0800
Subject: Re: [nvda] No speech when running NVDA.

I'll take a stab at this, since this sounds exactly like a problem I
had years ago, according to the email I just found it looks like I was
running NVDA 2011.2. The email I found suggested that my NVDA.ini file
got screwed up, but wouldn't that get removed when NVDA is
uninstalled? If I remember right, uninstalling and reinstalling worked
for me, but clearly that hasn't worked for you. I know some programs
however, such as Audacity, leave your configuration profile after you
uninstall them, but I'm not sure if NVDA does that or not. I can't
believe it's been 10+ years since I've been using NVDA, and I had
forgotten some of the questions I had asked over the years on the
previous support lists run by Freelists.

On 3/12/21, Arianna Sepulveda <englishrider91@gmail.com> wrote:
Hello, everyone,


I recently started having this issue--probably a few days ago. I've
done everything I can think of, save updating Windows 10 to the
absolute latest version--though I don't think that should make that
much of an issue, since I'm only on the release before this latest
update. Anyhow, here's my issue. I was running NVDA when all of a
sudden, it stopped speaking. I booted up Narrator and exited NVDA then
tried to bring up NVDA again, with no luck. I then tried restarting
the computer, and still nothing changed. I left the computer alone for
a few days, but when I came back to it today, I still had the same
problem. I figured, at this point, that I had nothing to lose, and
uninstalled and reinstalled NVDA, getting the latest version from
NVDA's website. The install screen spoke, but as soon as it was
installed, I suddenly had no speech. I have no idea what I can do at
this point. I have absolutely no ad-ons installed, the volume is up in
the synthesizer dialogue, and I switched to ESpeak, just in case.
Absolutely nothing has worked. I know my Surface isn't muted,
obviously, because I'm getting speech both from Narrator and from
JAWS.

Does anyone know what this issue could possibly be? I'm extremely
frustrated. I haven't used JAWS in quite a long time, and rather
dislike it. The caps lock key no longer works as the JAWS key for a
laptop, and I really miss the synth ring. Also, I feel like JAWS isn't
as good on the web as NVDA. I had to get my husband's help with
accepting the terms of service for a public WiFi network, because I
couldn't even use the stupid JAWS cursor because of the aforementioned
caps lock JAWS key issue. I would have had no such issue with this
webpage with NVDA. If I couldn't navigate to it with the standard
keys, I could most-likeley have gotten to it with Object Nav. Arrowing
through the page with JAWS just got me to some explanatory text, and
the stupid accept terms of service checkbox, but never to the button
to finish the process of connecting. Anyhow, I'm hoping someone has
some suggestions.


Thanks,
Ari










some messages are very slow in Outlook

Bob Cavanaugh <cavbob1993@...>
 

Hi all,
I'm hoping someone can help me figure this out. I'm still going
through and trying to clean out 11 years worth of emails from Outlook,
and in recent days I've come across several messages that slow down
NVDA's response time with Outlook, as in when I press the command to
read it hesitates for something like 10 seconds. If anyone uses Uber
with an email account that you have connected to Outlook, schedule a
ride and then try reading the email that is sent with Outlook. I found
one of those that I had saved and it reacted very slowly as I
described. If it makes any difference, I have "use UI automation"
turned on to prevent Outlook from crashing when certain HTML emails
are opened.
Bob


Re: No speech when running NVDA.

Bob Cavanaugh <cavbob1993@...>
 

I'll take a stab at this, since this sounds exactly like a problem I
had years ago, according to the email I just found it looks like I was
running NVDA 2011.2. The email I found suggested that my NVDA.ini file
got screwed up, but wouldn't that get removed when NVDA is
uninstalled? If I remember right, uninstalling and reinstalling worked
for me, but clearly that hasn't worked for you. I know some programs
however, such as Audacity, leave your configuration profile after you
uninstall them, but I'm not sure if NVDA does that or not. I can't
believe it's been 10+ years since I've been using NVDA, and I had
forgotten some of the questions I had asked over the years on the
previous support lists run by Freelists.

On 3/12/21, Arianna Sepulveda <englishrider91@gmail.com> wrote:
Hello, everyone,


I recently started having this issue--probably a few days ago. I've
done everything I can think of, save updating Windows 10 to the
absolute latest version--though I don't think that should make that
much of an issue, since I'm only on the release before this latest
update. Anyhow, here's my issue. I was running NVDA when all of a
sudden, it stopped speaking. I booted up Narrator and exited NVDA then
tried to bring up NVDA again, with no luck. I then tried restarting
the computer, and still nothing changed. I left the computer alone for
a few days, but when I came back to it today, I still had the same
problem. I figured, at this point, that I had nothing to lose, and
uninstalled and reinstalled NVDA, getting the latest version from
NVDA's website. The install screen spoke, but as soon as it was
installed, I suddenly had no speech. I have no idea what I can do at
this point. I have absolutely no ad-ons installed, the volume is up in
the synthesizer dialogue, and I switched to ESpeak, just in case.
Absolutely nothing has worked. I know my Surface isn't muted,
obviously, because I'm getting speech both from Narrator and from
JAWS.

Does anyone know what this issue could possibly be? I'm extremely
frustrated. I haven't used JAWS in quite a long time, and rather
dislike it. The caps lock key no longer works as the JAWS key for a
laptop, and I really miss the synth ring. Also, I feel like JAWS isn't
as good on the web as NVDA. I had to get my husband's help with
accepting the terms of service for a public WiFi network, because I
couldn't even use the stupid JAWS cursor because of the aforementioned
caps lock JAWS key issue. I would have had no such issue with this
webpage with NVDA. If I couldn't navigate to it with the standard
keys, I could most-likeley have gotten to it with Object Nav. Arrowing
through the page with JAWS just got me to some explanatory text, and
the stupid accept terms of service checkbox, but never to the button
to finish the process of connecting. Anyhow, I'm hoping someone has
some suggestions.


Thanks,
Ari






Re: No speech when running NVDA.

Jackie
 

Hello, Arianna. That really is frustrating. I guess my first question
is whether your output sound card is correct.

Pleas press control + NVDA key + s to reach the synthesizer menu. Tab
once to the audio output device & ensure that it's set to your
speakers/headphones of choice. Tab to ok & activate the button, &
let's see if that helps.

On 3/12/21, Arianna Sepulveda <englishrider91@gmail.com> wrote:
Hello, everyone,


I recently started having this issue--probably a few days ago. I've
done everything I can think of, save updating Windows 10 to the
absolute latest version--though I don't think that should make that
much of an issue, since I'm only on the release before this latest
update. Anyhow, here's my issue. I was running NVDA when all of a
sudden, it stopped speaking. I booted up Narrator and exited NVDA then
tried to bring up NVDA again, with no luck. I then tried restarting
the computer, and still nothing changed. I left the computer alone for
a few days, but when I came back to it today, I still had the same
problem. I figured, at this point, that I had nothing to lose, and
uninstalled and reinstalled NVDA, getting the latest version from
NVDA's website. The install screen spoke, but as soon as it was
installed, I suddenly had no speech. I have no idea what I can do at
this point. I have absolutely no ad-ons installed, the volume is up in
the synthesizer dialogue, and I switched to ESpeak, just in case.
Absolutely nothing has worked. I know my Surface isn't muted,
obviously, because I'm getting speech both from Narrator and from
JAWS.

Does anyone know what this issue could possibly be? I'm extremely
frustrated. I haven't used JAWS in quite a long time, and rather
dislike it. The caps lock key no longer works as the JAWS key for a
laptop, and I really miss the synth ring. Also, I feel like JAWS isn't
as good on the web as NVDA. I had to get my husband's help with
accepting the terms of service for a public WiFi network, because I
couldn't even use the stupid JAWS cursor because of the aforementioned
caps lock JAWS key issue. I would have had no such issue with this
webpage with NVDA. If I couldn't navigate to it with the standard
keys, I could most-likeley have gotten to it with Object Nav. Arrowing
through the page with JAWS just got me to some explanatory text, and
the stupid accept terms of service checkbox, but never to the button
to finish the process of connecting. Anyhow, I'm hoping someone has
some suggestions.


Thanks,
Ari





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No speech when running NVDA.

Arianna Sepulveda
 

Hello, everyone,


I recently started having this issue--probably a few days ago. I've
done everything I can think of, save updating Windows 10 to the
absolute latest version--though I don't think that should make that
much of an issue, since I'm only on the release before this latest
update. Anyhow, here's my issue. I was running NVDA when all of a
sudden, it stopped speaking. I booted up Narrator and exited NVDA then
tried to bring up NVDA again, with no luck. I then tried restarting
the computer, and still nothing changed. I left the computer alone for
a few days, but when I came back to it today, I still had the same
problem. I figured, at this point, that I had nothing to lose, and
uninstalled and reinstalled NVDA, getting the latest version from
NVDA's website. The install screen spoke, but as soon as it was
installed, I suddenly had no speech. I have no idea what I can do at
this point. I have absolutely no ad-ons installed, the volume is up in
the synthesizer dialogue, and I switched to ESpeak, just in case.
Absolutely nothing has worked. I know my Surface isn't muted,
obviously, because I'm getting speech both from Narrator and from
JAWS.

Does anyone know what this issue could possibly be? I'm extremely
frustrated. I haven't used JAWS in quite a long time, and rather
dislike it. The caps lock key no longer works as the JAWS key for a
laptop, and I really miss the synth ring. Also, I feel like JAWS isn't
as good on the web as NVDA. I had to get my husband's help with
accepting the terms of service for a public WiFi network, because I
couldn't even use the stupid JAWS cursor because of the aforementioned
caps lock JAWS key issue. I would have had no such issue with this
webpage with NVDA. If I couldn't navigate to it with the standard
keys, I could most-likeley have gotten to it with Object Nav. Arrowing
through the page with JAWS just got me to some explanatory text, and
the stupid accept terms of service checkbox, but never to the button
to finish the process of connecting. Anyhow, I'm hoping someone has
some suggestions.


Thanks,
Ari


Re: NVDA not reading books in kindle book viewer

Luke Davis
 

It's part of your subscription, but you still pay for that subscription, and are therefore paying for the book. You have every right to complain to Amazon and the publisher.

Luke

On Fri, 12 Mar 2021, Pranav Lal wrote:

I am reading the book as a part of kindle unlimited so it’s a part of my subscription.


Re: NVDA not reading books in kindle book viewer

Pranav Lal
 

Hi Mary,

I am no longer using my iPhone so did not try the book in the kindle app.

Pranav


Re: Logging on to groups.io causes NVDA 2020.4 to crash

 

On Fri, Mar 12, 2021 at 07:37 PM, Luke Davis wrote:
I'm pretty sure restarting the computer should be the first step. :)
-
Agreed.  And I covered that in the personal dope slap follow up message, as it's the first thing in my list of The Most Basic Troubleshooting Steps for Suspected NVDA Issues, and the others you mention are numbers two and three, in the same order you mention.
 
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Re: Logging on to groups.io causes NVDA 2020.4 to crash

Luke Davis
 

On Fri, 12 Mar 2021, Brian Vogel wrote:

2020.4.  I'd suggest uninstalling and reinstalling as a first step to see if the issue persists
I'm pretty sure restarting the computer should be the first step. :)

Followed by running the Com Reg fixing tool. It's quick, it's easy, and it solves all kinds of odd behavior problems with no further work. I have heard of some cases where you have to run it twice, but those cases are without logs, so I don't really know what was going on there.
But the point is: it's minimal impact, and takes 10 seconds, so why not run that first?

The third step should be restarting with add-ons disabled, as you pointed out in your followup email.

Reinstalling the software should, at best, be the fourth step, imo.

Luke


Re: Logging on to groups.io causes NVDA 2020.4 to crash

 

Louise,

            Of course, if you haven't tried The Most Basic Troubleshooting Steps for Suspected NVDA Issues
then do so before uninstalling and reinstalling.  The issue could lie with an add-on.
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Re: Logging on to groups.io causes NVDA 2020.4 to crash

 

Louise,

          FYI, the group archives are public, so you do not have to be logged in to view and search them.

           Can't explain the crash with 2020.4.  I'd suggest uninstalling and reinstalling as a first step to see if the issue persists.
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Re: Logging on to groups.io causes NVDA 2020.4 to crash

Chris Smart
 

I'm not sure what's happening there. I don't use Edge regularly, but I just logged into my groups.io account with it and NVDA 2020.4.



On 2021-03-12 5:31 p.m., Louise Pfau wrote:
Hi.  I recently updated my E-mail through my groups.io account, and now NVDA 2020.4 crashes when I try to log into groups.io.  I wanted to search the archive for something, rather than post a message.  I’m using Microsoft EdgeVersion 89.0.774.50 (Official build).
 
Thanks,
 
Louise


Logging on to groups.io causes NVDA 2020.4 to crash

Louise Pfau
 

Hi.  I recently updated my E-mail through my groups.io account, and now NVDA 2020.4 crashes when I try to log into groups.io.  I wanted to search the archive for something, rather than post a message.  I’m using Microsoft EdgeVersion 89.0.774.50 (Official build).
 
Thanks,
 
Louise


Re: crashes with basic operations

Janet Brandly
 

Thank you Brian, I will do that today.

Janet

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: March 12, 2021 10:29 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] crashes with basic operations

 

Janet,

            I myself have learned, the hard way, that NVDA issues are not always, in reality, NVDA issues.  I've had plenty of thing end up being traceable to an add-on over time, and sometimes to one that's worked fine for ages as a change in something else triggers it to break.

            Hence, I suggest you take a look at:  The Most Basic Troubleshooting Steps for Suspected NVDA Issues
It will help you to figure out whether this is, in reality, an actual problem with the NVDA core code or if something else may be going on.
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Re: crashes with basic operations

 

Janet,

            I myself have learned, the hard way, that NVDA issues are not always, in reality, NVDA issues.  I've had plenty of thing end up being traceable to an add-on over time, and sometimes to one that's worked fine for ages as a change in something else triggers it to break.

            Hence, I suggest you take a look at:  The Most Basic Troubleshooting Steps for Suspected NVDA Issues
It will help you to figure out whether this is, in reality, an actual problem with the NVDA core code or if something else may be going on.
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locked Re: Admin's Note: Re: I have a new text to speech voice available for purchase. #adminnotice

 

On Fri, Mar 12, 2021 at 02:29 AM, Jackson Blackford wrote:
I don't think it's right to get suspicious about something that was just started.
-
While I get your point, you bear at least some responsibility for this.  It is up to you (or anyone in your position) to craft a "launch statement" that is a lot more comprehensive than what you offered, which was short and cryptic and definitely appeared to be self-promoting.

All three of those things raise legitimate concerns and suspicions.  It is easy enough to craft a launch statement that addresses the kinds of concerns that have been raised before they are ever raised.  If much of what you said in the message I have quoted from had been included in your launch statement I can assure you this would have played out very differently.
 
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locked Re: Admin's Note: Re: I have a new text to speech voice available for purchase. #adminnotice

Steve Nutt
 

Actually it does sound synthesised to me. It sounds a bit like RH Voice.

All the best

Steve

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-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 11 March 2021 11:38
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Admin's Note: Re: I have a new text to speech voice available for purchase. #adminnotice

The voice doesn't sound synthesized. And if it is, why would such a high quality voice be sold for five dollars. The voice sounds much better than voices being sold on the NVDA page for forty dollars, perhaps more.


I am not saying this isn't legitimate, but I'd want good verification.


Gene

On 3/11/2021 4:10 AM, Ali Savas wrote:
Hello Nimer,

I too have reservations about buying this voice. The whole thing feels
very unserious.

I was able to listen to a sample of the voice on the website he posted
here. To me it sounds like RHVoice or some similar technology. In such
a case I think it is illegal, as these technologies are under an open
source license.

Best regards
Ali





locked Re: Admin's Note: Re: I have a new text to speech voice available for purchase. #adminnotice

 

On Fri, Mar 12, 2021 at 03:08 AM, Gene wrote:
I am saying that a voice listed on that page would bee seen by a lot of users as having an implied endorsement in terms of safety. A lot of users wouldn't be familiar with the discussion on list.
-
That's different, and a legitimate concern.

I have advocated, for some time, with regard to add-ons (and it would apply here) that there should be a centralized place where all would be stored, but that there would be a vetted/safety and effectiveness tested and an "at your own risk" section.

There are scads of add-ons that have been created, and been being used safely for a long time, that their respective owners do not wish to submit for official vetting.  The same is obviously true for voices.

I bet that it could be counted on less than one hand the times when anything that has originated from "the community" whether vetted or not had malign intent or effect.  But I agree that one should know when and whether something has been vetted (which is not exactly the same as endorsed, but close) and not.  But it should be up to the end user to decide whether what the thing offers is important enough, to them, to try it if it is in the "at your own risk" section.

Centralized repositories for these sorts of things are advantageous for all involved and should be set up (period) but must also let the potential user know whether something has been vetted or not.  Unvetted seldom means "bad" or "malign."
 
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