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NVDA and Discord

Rayn Darren
 

Evening all,

 

Was wondering if anyone has used discord successfully with NVDA? I can get some of it to work, but it’s not 100% accessible. Any tips or perhaps add ons would be wonderful!

 

Thanks,

Rayn


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Re: Request for comments: Should I record 2018 edition of Welcome to NVDA tutorials set?

Karim Lakhani <karim.lakhani@...>
 

why is that?



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-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Michael
Capelle
Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2017 7:29 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Request for comments: Should I record 2018 edition of
Welcome to NVDA tutorials set?

i prefer text tutorials over audio.
----- Original Message -----
From: "zahra" <nasrinkhaksar3@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2017 8:26 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Request for comments: Should I record 2018 edition of
Welcome to NVDA tutorials set?


i dont like fast speed, cant understand and dont want to use to it.
i use just normal speed, for example: in espeak, the best rate for me
is 30 which is the default.

On 12/10/17, kavein thran <kaveinthran@...> wrote:
hi joseph,

You always make our life better by doing this tutorial, and goodwork
should not be delayed. Go for it, thank you

On 12/10/17, Joseph Lee <@joslee> wrote:
Hi all, mostly for Brian,

If you want to get a "preview" of what I'm thinking of doing, take a
look
at
Windows 10 build series (same website as my current tutorials),
especially
the very last one (build 17025). That should give folks an idea as to
what
the "tutorial set" could sound like.

Cheers,

Joseph



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Gene
Sent: Saturday, December 9, 2017 4:37 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Request for comments: Should I record 2018 edition
of
Welcome to NVDA tutorials set?



I don't think it's a good idea to have the voice be painfully slow, as
accomodating new users might be for more experienced users. I would
suggest
doing what I do in tutorials. I have the speech speak at a good rate
for
experienced users, but I repeat things that are said so the
inexperienced
listener will know what has been said. I haven't done a tutorial in
quite
some time and I don't recall if I say everything or just about
everything
the speech says, but I repeat everything as I move through a dialog, a
ribbon, a menu, etc. I repeat everything that matters so users can
tell
what they need to know. My system accomodates both new and experienced
synthesized speech users..



Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
<mailto:bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io>

Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2017 5:47 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

Subject: Re: [nvda] Request for comments: Should I record 2018 edition
of
Welcome to NVDA tutorials set?



OK, 1 make sure the voice is slow enough for new users. Most of the
tutorials I hear on the internet are using voices running way too fast.
Next, I think that a little time needs to be spent in the snapshot
tutorial

about how to use Github without going bald. I am not that thick but I
still

find it cluttered and very hard to use.

Is Edge really any better for pdfs than Adobe? The big issue is as we
all
know the clueless people who compile them with no tagging of content
reading

order changes.

Firefox. Would you be using ESR or attempting to cover the new Quantum
version which even when it can be made to function is still like a duck
with

a broken leg. OK in the water but tends to swim in circles a lot!


Also of course I know that you are about to embark in a major upgrade
to
nvda to use a version of Python better able to cope with newer systems,
and

this is bound to start throwing unexpected spanners into the air to
fall
who

knows where for a while, so its a good time to get folk used to
diagnosing
and working around any problems by giving them a bit of a lesson in the
logic to find where problems might be etc.
Just my few penneths worth.
Brian

bglists@... <mailto:bglists@...>
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal email to:-
briang1@... <mailto:briang1@...> , putting
'Brian
Gaff'
in the display name field.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Joseph Lee" <@joslee
<mailto:@joslee> >
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> >
Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2017 4:53 PM
Subject: [nvda] Request for comments: Should I record 2018 edition of
Welcome to NVDA tutorials set?


Dear global NVDA community,



After reading recent threads on various NVDA lists and looking at some
tweets, I find myself asking if I should do it again: record the 2018
edition of the popular "Welcome to NVDA" tutorials set. The thing is,
there
are more superb tutorials out now, including NV Access's own Basic
Training
module. I do understand that many folks have come to know NVDA through
my
tutorials and some tutorials used mine as a reference or a guide.



For reference, the 2015 edition of this tutorials set can be found at:

http://www.josephsl.net/tutorials



If the community says I should record the 2018 edition, it'll be done
with
some conditions:



* The tutorial will be based on a combination of 2017.4 and latest
snapshot features.
* I'll be using Windows 10 Version 1709 (Fall Creators Update).
* I will not ask for payment for this set; if you insist on paying me,
I'd rather ask you to donate to NV Access.
* If possible, I'll come up with a text transcript and a way for folks
to provide edits via pull requests on GitHub.
* I'll be moving away from Internet Explorer for browse mode
demonstrations, opting for Firefox and Microsoft Edge.



Below is a list of changes between 2015 and 2018 editions provided you
say
I
should do it:



* I'll be using Windows OneCore voices for most speech demos.
* Chapter 1 (Intro) will be expanded and re-recorded to improve
recording quality, as well as adding additional information such as
command
line switches to start a portable copy after creating one and a note
on
Controlled Folder Access.
* Chapter 2 (Basics) will go over more touchscreen possibilities, some
command changes (including copying the contents of status bars) and
others.
* Chapter 3 (Objects and object navigation) will feature new examples,
especially more universal app examples.
* Chapter 4 (Browsing the web) will feature reading PDF documents with
Microsoft Edge, turning off single letter navigation commands on the
fly
and
elements list improvements.
* Chapter 5 (Apps) will feature new and updated examples.
* Chapters 6 and 7 (Configuration) will feature new settings,
including Windows 10 OCR and many others.
* Chapter 8 (tools) will feature content recognition.
* Chapter 9 (Add-ons) will feature new and updated examples, including
Remote Support add-on.
* Addenda may include a word on ARM64 support, development snapshots
and what not.



Comments are appreciated.

Cheers,

Joseph









--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the entire creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration from prophet Mohammad is:
indeed, imam husayn is the beacon of guidance and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
www.al-islam.org


Re: Request for comments: Should I record 2018 edition of Welcome to NVDA tutorials set?

Michael Capelle <mcapelle@...>
 

i prefer text tutorials over audio.

----- Original Message -----
From: "zahra" <nasrinkhaksar3@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2017 8:26 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Request for comments: Should I record 2018 edition of Welcome to NVDA tutorials set?


i dont like fast speed, cant understand and dont want to use to it.
i use just normal speed, for example: in espeak, the best rate for me
is 30 which is the default.

On 12/10/17, kavein thran <kaveinthran@...> wrote:
hi joseph,

You always make our life better by doing this tutorial, and goodwork
should not be delayed. Go for it, thank you

On 12/10/17, Joseph Lee <@joslee> wrote:
Hi all, mostly for Brian,

If you want to get a "preview" of what I'm thinking of doing, take a look
at
Windows 10 build series (same website as my current tutorials),
especially
the very last one (build 17025). That should give folks an idea as to
what
the "tutorial set" could sound like.

Cheers,

Joseph



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Saturday, December 9, 2017 4:37 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Request for comments: Should I record 2018 edition of
Welcome to NVDA tutorials set?



I don't think it's a good idea to have the voice be painfully slow, as
accomodating new users might be for more experienced users. I would
suggest
doing what I do in tutorials. I have the speech speak at a good rate for
experienced users, but I repeat things that are said so the inexperienced
listener will know what has been said. I haven't done a tutorial in
quite
some time and I don't recall if I say everything or just about everything
the speech says, but I repeat everything as I move through a dialog, a
ribbon, a menu, etc. I repeat everything that matters so users can tell
what they need to know. My system accomodates both new and experienced
synthesized speech users..



Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
<mailto:bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io>

Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2017 5:47 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

Subject: Re: [nvda] Request for comments: Should I record 2018 edition of
Welcome to NVDA tutorials set?



OK, 1 make sure the voice is slow enough for new users. Most of the
tutorials I hear on the internet are using voices running way too fast.
Next, I think that a little time needs to be spent in the snapshot
tutorial

about how to use Github without going bald. I am not that thick but I
still

find it cluttered and very hard to use.

Is Edge really any better for pdfs than Adobe? The big issue is as we all
know the clueless people who compile them with no tagging of content
reading

order changes.

Firefox. Would you be using ESR or attempting to cover the new Quantum
version which even when it can be made to function is still like a duck
with

a broken leg. OK in the water but tends to swim in circles a lot!


Also of course I know that you are about to embark in a major upgrade to
nvda to use a version of Python better able to cope with newer systems,
and

this is bound to start throwing unexpected spanners into the air to fall
who

knows where for a while, so its a good time to get folk used to
diagnosing
and working around any problems by giving them a bit of a lesson in the
logic to find where problems might be etc.
Just my few penneths worth.
Brian

bglists@... <mailto:bglists@...>
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal email to:-
briang1@... <mailto:briang1@...> , putting
'Brian
Gaff'
in the display name field.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Joseph Lee" <@joslee
<mailto:@joslee> >
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> >
Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2017 4:53 PM
Subject: [nvda] Request for comments: Should I record 2018 edition of
Welcome to NVDA tutorials set?


Dear global NVDA community,



After reading recent threads on various NVDA lists and looking at some
tweets, I find myself asking if I should do it again: record the 2018
edition of the popular "Welcome to NVDA" tutorials set. The thing is,
there
are more superb tutorials out now, including NV Access's own Basic
Training
module. I do understand that many folks have come to know NVDA through
my
tutorials and some tutorials used mine as a reference or a guide.



For reference, the 2015 edition of this tutorials set can be found at:

http://www.josephsl.net/tutorials



If the community says I should record the 2018 edition, it'll be done
with
some conditions:



* The tutorial will be based on a combination of 2017.4 and latest
snapshot features.
* I'll be using Windows 10 Version 1709 (Fall Creators Update).
* I will not ask for payment for this set; if you insist on paying me,
I'd rather ask you to donate to NV Access.
* If possible, I'll come up with a text transcript and a way for folks
to provide edits via pull requests on GitHub.
* I'll be moving away from Internet Explorer for browse mode
demonstrations, opting for Firefox and Microsoft Edge.



Below is a list of changes between 2015 and 2018 editions provided you
say
I
should do it:



* I'll be using Windows OneCore voices for most speech demos.
* Chapter 1 (Intro) will be expanded and re-recorded to improve
recording quality, as well as adding additional information such as
command
line switches to start a portable copy after creating one and a note on
Controlled Folder Access.
* Chapter 2 (Basics) will go over more touchscreen possibilities, some
command changes (including copying the contents of status bars) and
others.
* Chapter 3 (Objects and object navigation) will feature new examples,
especially more universal app examples.
* Chapter 4 (Browsing the web) will feature reading PDF documents with
Microsoft Edge, turning off single letter navigation commands on the fly
and
elements list improvements.
* Chapter 5 (Apps) will feature new and updated examples.
* Chapters 6 and 7 (Configuration) will feature new settings,
including Windows 10 OCR and many others.
* Chapter 8 (tools) will feature content recognition.
* Chapter 9 (Add-ons) will feature new and updated examples, including
Remote Support add-on.
* Addenda may include a word on ARM64 support, development snapshots
and what not.



Comments are appreciated.

Cheers,

Joseph









--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the entire creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration from prophet Mohammad is:
indeed, imam husayn is the beacon of guidance and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
www.al-islam.org

Re: Request for comments: Should I record 2018 edition of Welcome to NVDA tutorials set?

 

i dont like fast speed, cant understand and dont want to use to it.
i use just normal speed, for example: in espeak, the best rate for me
is 30 which is the default.

On 12/10/17, kavein thran <kaveinthran@...> wrote:
hi joseph,

You always make our life better by doing this tutorial, and goodwork
should not be delayed. Go for it, thank you

On 12/10/17, Joseph Lee <@joslee> wrote:
Hi all, mostly for Brian,

If you want to get a "preview" of what I'm thinking of doing, take a look
at
Windows 10 build series (same website as my current tutorials),
especially
the very last one (build 17025). That should give folks an idea as to
what
the "tutorial set" could sound like.

Cheers,

Joseph



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Saturday, December 9, 2017 4:37 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Request for comments: Should I record 2018 edition of
Welcome to NVDA tutorials set?



I don't think it's a good idea to have the voice be painfully slow, as
accomodating new users might be for more experienced users. I would
suggest
doing what I do in tutorials. I have the speech speak at a good rate for
experienced users, but I repeat things that are said so the inexperienced
listener will know what has been said. I haven't done a tutorial in
quite
some time and I don't recall if I say everything or just about everything
the speech says, but I repeat everything as I move through a dialog, a
ribbon, a menu, etc. I repeat everything that matters so users can tell
what they need to know. My system accomodates both new and experienced
synthesized speech users..



Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
<mailto:bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io>

Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2017 5:47 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

Subject: Re: [nvda] Request for comments: Should I record 2018 edition of
Welcome to NVDA tutorials set?



OK, 1 make sure the voice is slow enough for new users. Most of the
tutorials I hear on the internet are using voices running way too fast.
Next, I think that a little time needs to be spent in the snapshot
tutorial

about how to use Github without going bald. I am not that thick but I
still

find it cluttered and very hard to use.

Is Edge really any better for pdfs than Adobe? The big issue is as we all
know the clueless people who compile them with no tagging of content
reading

order changes.

Firefox. Would you be using ESR or attempting to cover the new Quantum
version which even when it can be made to function is still like a duck
with

a broken leg. OK in the water but tends to swim in circles a lot!


Also of course I know that you are about to embark in a major upgrade to
nvda to use a version of Python better able to cope with newer systems,
and

this is bound to start throwing unexpected spanners into the air to fall
who

knows where for a while, so its a good time to get folk used to
diagnosing
and working around any problems by giving them a bit of a lesson in the
logic to find where problems might be etc.
Just my few penneths worth.
Brian

bglists@... <mailto:bglists@...>
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal email to:-
briang1@... <mailto:briang1@...> , putting
'Brian
Gaff'
in the display name field.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Joseph Lee" <@joslee
<mailto:@joslee> >
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> >
Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2017 4:53 PM
Subject: [nvda] Request for comments: Should I record 2018 edition of
Welcome to NVDA tutorials set?


Dear global NVDA community,



After reading recent threads on various NVDA lists and looking at some
tweets, I find myself asking if I should do it again: record the 2018
edition of the popular "Welcome to NVDA" tutorials set. The thing is,
there
are more superb tutorials out now, including NV Access's own Basic
Training
module. I do understand that many folks have come to know NVDA through
my
tutorials and some tutorials used mine as a reference or a guide.



For reference, the 2015 edition of this tutorials set can be found at:

http://www.josephsl.net/tutorials



If the community says I should record the 2018 edition, it'll be done
with
some conditions:



* The tutorial will be based on a combination of 2017.4 and latest
snapshot features.
* I'll be using Windows 10 Version 1709 (Fall Creators Update).
* I will not ask for payment for this set; if you insist on paying me,
I'd rather ask you to donate to NV Access.
* If possible, I'll come up with a text transcript and a way for folks
to provide edits via pull requests on GitHub.
* I'll be moving away from Internet Explorer for browse mode
demonstrations, opting for Firefox and Microsoft Edge.



Below is a list of changes between 2015 and 2018 editions provided you
say
I
should do it:



* I'll be using Windows OneCore voices for most speech demos.
* Chapter 1 (Intro) will be expanded and re-recorded to improve
recording quality, as well as adding additional information such as
command
line switches to start a portable copy after creating one and a note on
Controlled Folder Access.
* Chapter 2 (Basics) will go over more touchscreen possibilities, some
command changes (including copying the contents of status bars) and
others.
* Chapter 3 (Objects and object navigation) will feature new examples,
especially more universal app examples.
* Chapter 4 (Browsing the web) will feature reading PDF documents with
Microsoft Edge, turning off single letter navigation commands on the fly
and
elements list improvements.
* Chapter 5 (Apps) will feature new and updated examples.
* Chapters 6 and 7 (Configuration) will feature new settings,
including Windows 10 OCR and many others.
* Chapter 8 (tools) will feature content recognition.
* Chapter 9 (Add-ons) will feature new and updated examples, including
Remote Support add-on.
* Addenda may include a word on ARM64 support, development snapshots
and what not.



Comments are appreciated.

Cheers,

Joseph








--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the entire creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration from prophet Mohammad is:
indeed, imam husayn is the beacon of guidance and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
www.al-islam.org

Re: Navigating by sentence

Gene
 

I'll try it in my version of Word.  It's Word Starter, but it will probably work there.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2017 6:54 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Navigating by sentence

This is one command that I really missed when I switch to NVDA. he only program that I know of, and have tested, that uses this command is Microsoft word. It works in version 2003 and 2010. I can't remember which version of NVDA it began in but I've been using it for several years now. I have not come across another application that uses this command.

Melissa
Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 9, 2017, at 6:21 PM, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:

The commands don't do anything here, using 17.1.  Also, input help doesn't say anything when these commands are tried.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2017 4:46 PM
Subject: [nvda] Navigating by sentence

Hello everyone,


I am wondering how to navigate by sentence in NVDA? The shortcuts for
that are listed as Alt+Up arrow, Alt+Down arrow for moving to the
previous and next sentences and Alt+Numpad 5 for speaking the current
sentence. However, none of these shortcuts seem to do anything for me.
Is there some configuration change needed to make it working? Do these
shortcuts work for anyone?


I'm using NVDA 2017.4 and the latest Windows 10.


Thanks

Tony




Re: Request for comments: Should I record 2018 edition of Welcome to NVDA tutorials set?

kavein thran
 

hi joseph,

You always make our life better by doing this tutorial, and goodwork
should not be delayed. Go for it, thank you

On 12/10/17, Joseph Lee <@joslee> wrote:
Hi all, mostly for Brian,

If you want to get a "preview" of what I'm thinking of doing, take a look
at
Windows 10 build series (same website as my current tutorials), especially
the very last one (build 17025). That should give folks an idea as to what
the "tutorial set" could sound like.

Cheers,

Joseph



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Saturday, December 9, 2017 4:37 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Request for comments: Should I record 2018 edition of
Welcome to NVDA tutorials set?



I don't think it's a good idea to have the voice be painfully slow, as
accomodating new users might be for more experienced users. I would
suggest
doing what I do in tutorials. I have the speech speak at a good rate for
experienced users, but I repeat things that are said so the inexperienced
listener will know what has been said. I haven't done a tutorial in quite
some time and I don't recall if I say everything or just about everything
the speech says, but I repeat everything as I move through a dialog, a
ribbon, a menu, etc. I repeat everything that matters so users can tell
what they need to know. My system accomodates both new and experienced
synthesized speech users..



Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
<mailto:bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io>

Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2017 5:47 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

Subject: Re: [nvda] Request for comments: Should I record 2018 edition of
Welcome to NVDA tutorials set?



OK, 1 make sure the voice is slow enough for new users. Most of the
tutorials I hear on the internet are using voices running way too fast.
Next, I think that a little time needs to be spent in the snapshot
tutorial

about how to use Github without going bald. I am not that thick but I still

find it cluttered and very hard to use.

Is Edge really any better for pdfs than Adobe? The big issue is as we all
know the clueless people who compile them with no tagging of content
reading

order changes.

Firefox. Would you be using ESR or attempting to cover the new Quantum
version which even when it can be made to function is still like a duck
with

a broken leg. OK in the water but tends to swim in circles a lot!


Also of course I know that you are about to embark in a major upgrade to
nvda to use a version of Python better able to cope with newer systems, and

this is bound to start throwing unexpected spanners into the air to fall
who

knows where for a while, so its a good time to get folk used to diagnosing
and working around any problems by giving them a bit of a lesson in the
logic to find where problems might be etc.
Just my few penneths worth.
Brian

bglists@... <mailto:bglists@...>
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal email to:-
briang1@... <mailto:briang1@...> , putting 'Brian
Gaff'
in the display name field.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Joseph Lee" <@joslee
<mailto:@joslee> >
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> >
Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2017 4:53 PM
Subject: [nvda] Request for comments: Should I record 2018 edition of
Welcome to NVDA tutorials set?


Dear global NVDA community,



After reading recent threads on various NVDA lists and looking at some
tweets, I find myself asking if I should do it again: record the 2018
edition of the popular "Welcome to NVDA" tutorials set. The thing is,
there
are more superb tutorials out now, including NV Access's own Basic
Training
module. I do understand that many folks have come to know NVDA through my
tutorials and some tutorials used mine as a reference or a guide.



For reference, the 2015 edition of this tutorials set can be found at:

http://www.josephsl.net/tutorials



If the community says I should record the 2018 edition, it'll be done
with
some conditions:



* The tutorial will be based on a combination of 2017.4 and latest
snapshot features.
* I'll be using Windows 10 Version 1709 (Fall Creators Update).
* I will not ask for payment for this set; if you insist on paying me,
I'd rather ask you to donate to NV Access.
* If possible, I'll come up with a text transcript and a way for folks
to provide edits via pull requests on GitHub.
* I'll be moving away from Internet Explorer for browse mode
demonstrations, opting for Firefox and Microsoft Edge.



Below is a list of changes between 2015 and 2018 editions provided you
say
I
should do it:



* I'll be using Windows OneCore voices for most speech demos.
* Chapter 1 (Intro) will be expanded and re-recorded to improve
recording quality, as well as adding additional information such as
command
line switches to start a portable copy after creating one and a note on
Controlled Folder Access.
* Chapter 2 (Basics) will go over more touchscreen possibilities, some
command changes (including copying the contents of status bars) and
others.
* Chapter 3 (Objects and object navigation) will feature new examples,
especially more universal app examples.
* Chapter 4 (Browsing the web) will feature reading PDF documents with
Microsoft Edge, turning off single letter navigation commands on the fly
and
elements list improvements.
* Chapter 5 (Apps) will feature new and updated examples.
* Chapters 6 and 7 (Configuration) will feature new settings,
including Windows 10 OCR and many others.
* Chapter 8 (tools) will feature content recognition.
* Chapter 9 (Add-ons) will feature new and updated examples, including
Remote Support add-on.
* Addenda may include a word on ARM64 support, development snapshots
and what not.



Comments are appreciated.

Cheers,

Joseph






Re: Navigating by sentence

 

This is one command that I really missed when I switch to NVDA. he only program that I know of, and have tested, that uses this command is Microsoft word. It works in version 2003 and 2010. I can't remember which version of NVDA it began in but I've been using it for several years now. I have not come across another application that uses this command.

Melissa
Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 9, 2017, at 6:21 PM, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:

The commands don't do anything here, using 17.1.  Also, input help doesn't say anything when these commands are tried.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2017 4:46 PM
Subject: [nvda] Navigating by sentence

Hello everyone,


I am wondering how to navigate by sentence in NVDA? The shortcuts for
that are listed as Alt+Up arrow, Alt+Down arrow for moving to the
previous and next sentences and Alt+Numpad 5 for speaking the current
sentence. However, none of these shortcuts seem to do anything for me.
Is there some configuration change needed to make it working? Do these
shortcuts work for anyone?


I'm using NVDA 2017.4 and the latest Windows 10.


Thanks

Tony




Re: Request for comments: Should I record 2018 edition of Welcome to NVDA tutorials set?

 

Hi all, mostly for Brian,

If you want to get a “preview” of what I’m thinking of doing, take a look at Windows 10 build series (same website as my current tutorials), especially the very last one (build 17025). That should give folks an idea as to what the “tutorial set” could sound like.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Saturday, December 9, 2017 4:37 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Request for comments: Should I record 2018 edition of Welcome to NVDA tutorials set?

 

I don't think it’s a good idea to have the voice be painfully slow, as accomodating new users might be for more experienced users.  I would suggest doing what I do in tutorials.  I have the speech speak at a good rate for experienced users, but I repeat things that are said so the inexperienced listener will know what has been said.  I haven't done a tutorial in quite some time and I don't recall if I say everything or just about everything the speech says, but I repeat everything as I move through a dialog, a ribbon, a menu, etc.  I repeat everything that matters so users can tell what they need to know.  My system accomodates both new and experienced synthesized speech users..

 

Gene

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Subject: Re: [nvda] Request for comments: Should I record 2018 edition of Welcome to NVDA tutorials set?

 

OK, 1 make sure the voice is slow enough for new users. Most of the
tutorials I hear on the internet are using voices running way too fast.
 Next, I think that a little time needs to be spent in the snapshot tutorial
about how to use Github without going bald. I am not that thick but I still
find it cluttered and very hard to use.

Is Edge really any better for pdfs than Adobe? The big issue is as we all
know the clueless people who compile them with no tagging of content reading
order changes.

Firefox. Would you be using ESR or attempting to cover the new Quantum
version which even when it can be made to function is still like a duck with
a broken leg. OK in the water but tends to swim in circles a lot!


Also of course I know that you are about to embark in a major  upgrade to
nvda to use a version of Python better able to cope with newer systems, and
this is bound to start throwing unexpected spanners into the air to fall who
knows where for a while, so its a good time to get folk used to diagnosing
and working around any problems by giving them a bit of a lesson in the
logic to find where problems might be etc.
 Just my few penneths worth.
 Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Joseph Lee" <joseph.lee22590@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2017 4:53 PM
Subject: [nvda] Request for comments: Should I record 2018 edition of
Welcome to NVDA tutorials set?


> Dear global NVDA community,
>
>
>
> After reading recent threads on various NVDA lists and looking at some
> tweets, I find myself asking if I should do it again: record the 2018
> edition of the popular "Welcome to NVDA" tutorials set. The thing is,
> there
> are more superb tutorials out now, including NV Access's own Basic
> Training
> module. I do understand that many folks have come to know NVDA through my
> tutorials and some tutorials used mine as a reference or a guide.
>
>
>
> For reference, the 2015 edition of this tutorials set can be found at:
>
> http://www.josephsl.net/tutorials
>
>
>
> If the community says I should record the 2018 edition, it'll be done with
> some conditions:
>
>
>
> * The tutorial will be based on a combination of 2017.4 and latest
> snapshot features.
> * I'll be using Windows 10 Version 1709 (Fall Creators Update).
> * I will not ask for payment for this set; if you insist on paying me,
> I'd rather ask you to donate to NV Access.
> * If possible, I'll come up with a text transcript and a way for folks
> to provide edits via pull requests on GitHub.
> * I'll be moving away from Internet Explorer for browse mode
> demonstrations, opting for Firefox and Microsoft Edge.
>
>
>
> Below is a list of changes between 2015 and 2018 editions provided you say
> I
> should do it:
>
>
>
> * I'll be using Windows OneCore voices for most speech demos.
> * Chapter 1 (Intro) will be expanded and re-recorded to improve
> recording quality, as well as adding additional information such as
> command
> line switches to start a portable copy after creating one and a note on
> Controlled Folder Access.
> * Chapter 2 (Basics) will go over more touchscreen possibilities, some
> command changes (including copying the contents of status bars) and
> others.
> * Chapter 3 (Objects and object navigation) will feature new examples,
> especially more universal app examples.
> * Chapter 4 (Browsing the web) will feature reading PDF documents with
> Microsoft Edge, turning off single letter navigation commands on the fly
> and
> elements list improvements.
> * Chapter 5 (Apps) will feature new and updated examples.
> * Chapters 6 and 7 (Configuration) will feature new settings,
> including Windows 10 OCR and many others.
> * Chapter 8 (tools) will feature content recognition.
> * Chapter 9 (Add-ons) will feature new and updated examples, including
> Remote Support add-on.
> * Addenda may include a word on ARM64 support, development snapshots
> and what not.
>
>
>
> Comments are appreciated.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Joseph
>
>


Re: Request for comments: Should I record 2018 edition of Welcome to NVDA tutorials set?

Gene
 

I don't think it’s a good idea to have the voice be painfully slow, as accomodating new users might be for more experienced users.  I would suggest doing what I do in tutorials.  I have the speech speak at a good rate for experienced users, but I repeat things that are said so the inexperienced listener will know what has been said.  I haven't done a tutorial in quite some time and I don't recall if I say everything or just about everything the speech says, but I repeat everything as I move through a dialog, a ribbon, a menu, etc.  I repeat everything that matters so users can tell what they need to know.  My system accomodates both new and experienced synthesized speech users..
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2017 5:47 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Request for comments: Should I record 2018 edition of Welcome to NVDA tutorials set?

OK, 1 make sure the voice is slow enough for new users. Most of the
tutorials I hear on the internet are using voices running way too fast.
 Next, I think that a little time needs to be spent in the snapshot tutorial
about how to use Github without going bald. I am not that thick but I still
find it cluttered and very hard to use.

Is Edge really any better for pdfs than Adobe? The big issue is as we all
know the clueless people who compile them with no tagging of content reading
order changes.

Firefox. Would you be using ESR or attempting to cover the new Quantum
version which even when it can be made to function is still like a duck with
a broken leg. OK in the water but tends to swim in circles a lot!


Also of course I know that you are about to embark in a major  upgrade to
nvda to use a version of Python better able to cope with newer systems, and
this is bound to start throwing unexpected spanners into the air to fall who
knows where for a while, so its a good time to get folk used to diagnosing
and working around any problems by giving them a bit of a lesson in the
logic to find where problems might be etc.
 Just my few penneths worth.
 Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Joseph Lee" <joseph.lee22590@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2017 4:53 PM
Subject: [nvda] Request for comments: Should I record 2018 edition of
Welcome to NVDA tutorials set?


> Dear global NVDA community,
>
>
>
> After reading recent threads on various NVDA lists and looking at some
> tweets, I find myself asking if I should do it again: record the 2018
> edition of the popular "Welcome to NVDA" tutorials set. The thing is,
> there
> are more superb tutorials out now, including NV Access's own Basic
> Training
> module. I do understand that many folks have come to know NVDA through my
> tutorials and some tutorials used mine as a reference or a guide.
>
>
>
> For reference, the 2015 edition of this tutorials set can be found at:
>
> http://www.josephsl.net/tutorials
>
>
>
> If the community says I should record the 2018 edition, it'll be done with
> some conditions:
>
>
>
> * The tutorial will be based on a combination of 2017.4 and latest
> snapshot features.
> * I'll be using Windows 10 Version 1709 (Fall Creators Update).
> * I will not ask for payment for this set; if you insist on paying me,
> I'd rather ask you to donate to NV Access.
> * If possible, I'll come up with a text transcript and a way for folks
> to provide edits via pull requests on GitHub.
> * I'll be moving away from Internet Explorer for browse mode
> demonstrations, opting for Firefox and Microsoft Edge.
>
>
>
> Below is a list of changes between 2015 and 2018 editions provided you say
> I
> should do it:
>
>
>
> * I'll be using Windows OneCore voices for most speech demos.
> * Chapter 1 (Intro) will be expanded and re-recorded to improve
> recording quality, as well as adding additional information such as
> command
> line switches to start a portable copy after creating one and a note on
> Controlled Folder Access.
> * Chapter 2 (Basics) will go over more touchscreen possibilities, some
> command changes (including copying the contents of status bars) and
> others.
> * Chapter 3 (Objects and object navigation) will feature new examples,
> especially more universal app examples.
> * Chapter 4 (Browsing the web) will feature reading PDF documents with
> Microsoft Edge, turning off single letter navigation commands on the fly
> and
> elements list improvements.
> * Chapter 5 (Apps) will feature new and updated examples.
> * Chapters 6 and 7 (Configuration) will feature new settings,
> including Windows 10 OCR and many others.
> * Chapter 8 (tools) will feature content recognition.
> * Chapter 9 (Add-ons) will feature new and updated examples, including
> Remote Support add-on.
> * Addenda may include a word on ARM64 support, development snapshots
> and what not.
>
>
>
> Comments are appreciated.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Joseph
>
>



Re: Request for comments: Should I record 2018 edition of Welcome to NVDA tutorials set?

 

Hi,Firefox: I'll be using 52 SR, and yes, I'll be mentioning changes to
Quantum.
Regarding Python 3 and debugging: that's what devlearning list is for: folks
over there are just starting to learn how to find issues and debug them.
Cheers,
Joseph

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian's
Mail list account via Groups.Io
Sent: Saturday, December 9, 2017 3:47 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Request for comments: Should I record 2018 edition of
Welcome to NVDA tutorials set?

OK, 1 make sure the voice is slow enough for new users. Most of the
tutorials I hear on the internet are using voices running way too fast.
Next, I think that a little time needs to be spent in the snapshot tutorial
about how to use Github without going bald. I am not that thick but I still
find it cluttered and very hard to use.

Is Edge really any better for pdfs than Adobe? The big issue is as we all
know the clueless people who compile them with no tagging of content reading
order changes.

Firefox. Would you be using ESR or attempting to cover the new Quantum
version which even when it can be made to function is still like a duck with
a broken leg. OK in the water but tends to swim in circles a lot!


Also of course I know that you are about to embark in a major upgrade to
nvda to use a version of Python better able to cope with newer systems, and
this is bound to start throwing unexpected spanners into the air to fall who
knows where for a while, so its a good time to get folk used to diagnosing
and working around any problems by giving them a bit of a lesson in the
logic to find where problems might be etc.
Just my few penneths worth.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Joseph Lee" <@joslee>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2017 4:53 PM
Subject: [nvda] Request for comments: Should I record 2018 edition of
Welcome to NVDA tutorials set?


Dear global NVDA community,



After reading recent threads on various NVDA lists and looking at some
tweets, I find myself asking if I should do it again: record the 2018
edition of the popular "Welcome to NVDA" tutorials set. The thing is,
there are more superb tutorials out now, including NV Access's own
Basic Training module. I do understand that many folks have come to
know NVDA through my tutorials and some tutorials used mine as a
reference or a guide.



For reference, the 2015 edition of this tutorials set can be found at:

http://www.josephsl.net/tutorials



If the community says I should record the 2018 edition, it'll be done
with some conditions:



* The tutorial will be based on a combination of 2017.4 and latest
snapshot features.
* I'll be using Windows 10 Version 1709 (Fall Creators Update).
* I will not ask for payment for this set; if you insist on paying me,
I'd rather ask you to donate to NV Access.
* If possible, I'll come up with a text transcript and a way for folks
to provide edits via pull requests on GitHub.
* I'll be moving away from Internet Explorer for browse mode
demonstrations, opting for Firefox and Microsoft Edge.



Below is a list of changes between 2015 and 2018 editions provided you
say I should do it:



* I'll be using Windows OneCore voices for most speech demos.
* Chapter 1 (Intro) will be expanded and re-recorded to improve
recording quality, as well as adding additional information such as
command
line switches to start a portable copy after creating one and a note on
Controlled Folder Access.
* Chapter 2 (Basics) will go over more touchscreen possibilities, some
command changes (including copying the contents of status bars) and
others.
* Chapter 3 (Objects and object navigation) will feature new examples,
especially more universal app examples.
* Chapter 4 (Browsing the web) will feature reading PDF documents with
Microsoft Edge, turning off single letter navigation commands on the fly
and
elements list improvements.
* Chapter 5 (Apps) will feature new and updated examples.
* Chapters 6 and 7 (Configuration) will feature new settings,
including Windows 10 OCR and many others.
* Chapter 8 (tools) will feature content recognition.
* Chapter 9 (Add-ons) will feature new and updated examples, including
Remote Support add-on.
* Addenda may include a word on ARM64 support, development snapshots
and what not.



Comments are appreciated.

Cheers,

Joseph

Re: Navigating by sentence

Gene
 

The commands don't do anything here, using 17.1.  Also, input help doesn't say anything when these commands are tried.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2017 4:46 PM
Subject: [nvda] Navigating by sentence

Hello everyone,


I am wondering how to navigate by sentence in NVDA? The shortcuts for
that are listed as Alt+Up arrow, Alt+Down arrow for moving to the
previous and next sentences and Alt+Numpad 5 for speaking the current
sentence. However, none of these shortcuts seem to do anything for me.
Is there some configuration change needed to make it working? Do these
shortcuts work for anyone?


I'm using NVDA 2017.4 and the latest Windows 10.


Thanks

Tony




Re: audio themes addon and sound cards.

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

Hmm not sure. I doknow that you should be able to do this if the sound is being handled by nvda. I do know that a completely new sound handling routine is being written for nvda to try to stop some of these anomolies, they can be a pig if you want to run a radio station!
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Lev" <@Literophilus>
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Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2017 11:12 PM
Subject: [nvda] audio themes addon and sound cards.


hi,

a friend of mine is having the following issue.


He says he uses his computer with two sound cards but when audiothemes is on, the sound of the theme coms out from the speakers instead of the head sets, just like the synth voice does.


is there a way to change this and the sounds of the theme comes out from the head sets too?


--
Leo


Re: Read to End When Using IE

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It used to work Ok but sometimes the window had to be maximised. Does it work in Firefox? Whatmode are you in?
Brian

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Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2017 9:05 PM
Subject: [nvda] Read to End When Using IE


I notice that NVDA will automatically read to end in Email messages, but when in IE numpad insert down arrow only reads the current line. How do I get NVDA to read to end when using IE?

Andy

Re: nvda as an exe file

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That is what she was attempting to do actually. I think the person themselves said that?
Brian

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Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2017 6:52 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda as an exe file


If you are running XP then 17.4 will not install on XP
Use 17.3

From: zahra
Sent: 09 December 2017 16:42
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda as an exe file

as every one maybe know, i use xp!

On 12/9/17, Chris <chrismedley@...> wrote:
Which version Windows are you running?


From: zahra
Sent: 09 December 2017 15:10
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda as an exe file

hello.
i unfortunately have this problem.
two months ago, i downloaded nvda 17.3
today the exe file which i downloaded does not work and after openning
the file, i return to the folder and did not recieve any feedback or
music etc.
what should i do?
i dont have security programs, U.ac etc.
i checked general in property and did not see check box for indication
of blocking my file.
what should i do?
i appreciate your help, God bless all!

On 12/9/17, iván Novegil <@inovegil> wrote:
If you're using W10 also verify that "control access to folder" in
Windows Defender Security Center>Antivirus Protection>Settings is not
enabled, it's causing some problems with NVDA.

Anyway please be more specific in your report including expected and
observed behavior.


Regards.

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O 09/12/2017 á(s) 14:03, Chris escribiu:

If its uac then you should get a yes/no dialog to allow access or not

It also may be your anti virus blocking it for some reason

A reboot first may resolve the issue if you have changed the uac level

Also another thing to check may be to check in properties of the
downloaded file and under general tab make sure its not been blocked
there

It is one of the checkboxesjust uncheck it and apply and ok

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*Sent: *09 December 2017 12:44
*To: *nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject: *Re: [nvda] nvda as an exe file

thanks criss but tried the exe file but my system is blocking it. My
uac is at 34 percent tried to lower this to zearo but still blocking.
I have a desktop running win10 hal or nvda. not quite sure what to do
next?

On 12/9/2017 12:29 PM, Chris wrote:

Here you go

https://www.nvaccess.org/files/nvda/releases/2017.4/nvda_2017.4.exe

save it somewhere for future reference 😃

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*Subject: *[nvda] nvda as an exe file

Hi all tried to update nvda but it stops partway in the
installation so

thought I would try to download an exe file on nvda's websight but
could

not find sutch. is there an exe available yet. Joe


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Re: updating to the latest snap, but still waiting for the update to finish

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Yes this is the thing. It seems as if the system gets buffered up to its nostrils in files to delete rename or whatever and it simply refuses to do them unless you reboot windows. It affects windows 7 as well but its something quite recent and only happens at odd times.
My suspicion is a recent windows update. as 7 and 10 are actually very similar internally I'd bet that a caching is going on to try to speed things up but its not clearing and basically getting stuck. Obviously if you like I watch what is going on in the log of the temp version when you do an update Windows has a lot to do to delete, rename and move stuff as well as copying. If you happen to already have a few things pending I think it pushes it over the edge.

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Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2017 5:53 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] updating to the latest snap, but still waiting for the update to finish


When I did that there was nothing there. All that was there was my desktop and narrator. Nothing in my notifications center either. It was odd.

It worked after a reboot so dunno what happened there, oh well.

Take care

On Dec 8, 2017, at 1:32 PM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io <bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io> wrote:

Often if you enable narrator, then do a few alt tabs, you will find an error message behind the stalled update screen.
Make a note, mentally what this says, probably something like cannot write to or delete or rename a file at a guess..
Try to close it either with its button or esc and if you have been successful, attempt to run your back up portable version of nvda. If that works after a short pause then you can try to start the installed copy. It will probably fail with an error, but you can of course revert back to the back up one!
Now manually download the update from the web site and install it over the one that was installed. This normally then works I find. For the record when these things fail seems to be when for a reason as yet not known, Windows sits and takes an age to do something and things kind of time out and you get an error but that blocks up the rest of the work pending in the install. As the person says, if you can its probably then a good idea to reboot windows as this should clear any debris left behind marked for deletion.
Something changed in both windows 7 and 10 about a month or so back that made this occasional issue more common. and no I have no idea what it is either unless its anti virus checking the changing files in the background.
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Sent: Friday, December 08, 2017 7:57 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] updating to the latest snap, but still waiting for the update to finish


Hi. Restart your PC then try and to restart the update. I had this problem when NVDA 2017 RC3 came out.


On 12/7/2017 12:55 AM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:
I think I have a very broken nvda update. I followed the directions. The update downloaded, however I still hear the beeps saying it's updating etc et etc. I tried to close out but no joy. Narrator is not telling me much either. Running nvda latest snap on windows 10 pro..

Take care all.


Re: nvda as an exe file

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Oh that is unusual to say the least. What anti virus or other security have you got installed?
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Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda as an exe file


ok time to clarify if possible. when I ran the up data my uac was set at
34 percent. after I tried to run nvda's updata and it stopped partway
through the process. I checked uac levels and it stated it was 100
percent so no I did not alter it my self ut the system altered itself.


On 12/9/2017 2:17 PM, Chris wrote:

Where is uac ?

you stated in a previous message you set it at 0% now you are saying
its at 100%

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*Subject: *Re: [nvda] nvda as an exe file

saved the file and ran it from downloads folder and it ran untill it
got to the first peace of music then it stated that it was upgrading
previous versions of nvda and shows 0 were it stays at 0 with no
progress. after trying to upgrade via the update and then looking at
uac levels the levels show 100 percent sorry if I have explained clearly.

On 12/9/2017 12:57 PM, Gene wrote:

What do you mean by is blocking it? At this point, we have no way
of knowing what is blocking it, an antivirus program that sees it
as a false positive or something else? UAC is very unlikely to
have anything to do with the problem. Specifically, what happens
when you try whatever you are trying? Are you able to download
the file but not run it or can you not download the file?

Gene

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*Subject:*Re: [nvda] nvda as an exe file

thanks criss but tried the exe file but my system is blocking it.
My uac is at 34 percent tried to lower this to zearo but still
blocking. I have a desktop running win10 hal or nvda. not quite
sure what to do next?

On 12/9/2017 12:29 PM, Chris wrote:

Here you go

https://www.nvaccess.org/files/nvda/releases/2017.4/nvda_2017.4.exe

save it somewhere for future reference 😃

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Hi all tried to update nvda but it stops partway in the
installation so

thought I would try to download an exe file on nvda's websight
but could

not find sutch. is there an exe available yet. Joe

Re: Read to End When Using IE

Gene
 

You'll  save yourself time and trouble if you learn in an organized manner such as with a tutorial or, if you prefer, the help material.  I'm not saying you have to go through the entire tutorial or help section.  But you should learn about NVDA commands for movement, review, and mouse movement and clicking in an organized manner.  NVDA is not JAWS and there are commands you can't transfer.  NVDA doesn't use the numpad for that command.  The numpad is reserved for screen review operations and other things such as mouse movement and clicking.  The NVDA command is NVDA plus down arrow on the main keyboard.
 
Gene

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Subject: [nvda] Read to End When Using IE

I notice that NVDA will automatically read to end in Email messages, but when in IE numpad insert down arrow only reads the current line. How do I get NVDA to read to end when using IE?
 
Andy
 

Re: nvda as an exe file

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Are you still on xp?
I'm assuming you have an older version of nvda on the system then.
it might be anything at all. Anti virus or even that the file is damaged.

The question ids do other exe files still work? If yes then it has to be that file.
Brian

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Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2017 3:10 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda as an exe file


hello.
i unfortunately have this problem.
two months ago, i downloaded nvda 17.3
today the exe file which i downloaded does not work and after openning
the file, i return to the folder and did not recieve any feedback or
music etc.
what should i do?
i dont have security programs, U.ac etc.
i checked general in property and did not see check box for indication
of blocking my file.
what should i do?
i appreciate your help, God bless all!

On 12/9/17, iván Novegil <@inovegil> wrote:
If you're using W10 also verify that "control access to folder" in
Windows Defender Security Center>Antivirus Protection>Settings is not
enabled, it's causing some problems with NVDA.

Anyway please be more specific in your report including expected and
observed behavior.


Regards.

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O 09/12/2017 á(s) 14:03, Chris escribiu:

If its uac then you should get a yes/no dialog to allow access or not

It also may be your anti virus blocking it for some reason

A reboot first may resolve the issue if you have changed the uac level

Also another thing to check may be to check in properties of the
downloaded file and under general tab make sure its not been blocked
there

It is one of the checkboxesjust uncheck it and apply and ok

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*Subject: *Re: [nvda] nvda as an exe file

thanks criss but tried the exe file but my system is blocking it. My
uac is at 34 percent tried to lower this to zearo but still blocking.
I have a desktop running win10 hal or nvda. not quite sure what to do
next?

On 12/9/2017 12:29 PM, Chris wrote:

Here you go

https://www.nvaccess.org/files/nvda/releases/2017.4/nvda_2017.4.exe

save it somewhere for future reference 😃

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*To: *nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject: *[nvda] nvda as an exe file

Hi all tried to update nvda but it stops partway in the
installation so

thought I would try to download an exe file on nvda's websight but
could

not find sutch. is there an exe available yet. Joe


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Re: monthly microsoft updates problem

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I think you need to look at the errors its giving on the updates. If you look at the details for the updates you normally have some way to see the ones that failed and see the reason. it usually has an identity number and you can look that up on the Microsoft site to find out what to do.

Its normally an update that has been installed out of sequence or at least that was the last time I saw this happen. I took the machine back to just before that update, stopped that update then allowed it to do the others and then did the one left over. No I've no idea why this happens either.
Might be something totally different in your case of course, but you really need a windows forum to find out more if Microsoft are no help.
Brian

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From: "anthony borg" <anthonyborg001@...>
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Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2017 2:48 PM
Subject: [nvda] monthly microsoft updates problem


Hi list

I wonder if anyone could help me.

I got the usual monthly Microsoft updates, so when I did the normal
procedure by accepted the update and restart, or update and shutdown, it
isn't doing the updates.

Because most probably it got stucked.

Is there a way how to release that and do the updates normally?

I have windows 10 creator.

Thanks in advance

Anthony

Re: Request for comments: Should I record 2018 edition of Welcome to NVDA tutorials set?

Mary Otten
 

One of the nice things about using something like the MS voices is that you don't have to slow them down as much, even for new folks, because they sound a lot closer to human than do voices like e-speak or even eloquence.


Mary

On 12/9/2017 3:47 PM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
OK, 1 make sure the voice is slow enough for new users. Most of the tutorials I hear on the internet are using voices running way too fast.
Next, I think that a little time needs to be spent in the snapshot tutorial about how to use Github without going bald. I am not that thick but I still find it cluttered and very hard to use.

Is Edge really any better for pdfs than Adobe? The big issue is as we all know the clueless people who compile them with no tagging of content reading order changes.

Firefox. Would you be using ESR or attempting to cover the new Quantum version which even when it can be made to function is still like a duck with a broken leg. OK in the water but tends to swim in circles a lot!


Also of course I know that you are about to embark in a major upgrade to nvda to use a version of Python better able to cope with newer systems, and this is bound to start throwing unexpected spanners into the air to fall who knows where for a while, so its a good time to get folk used to diagnosing and working around any problems by giving them a bit of a lesson in the logic to find where problems might be etc.
Just my few penneths worth.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Joseph Lee" <@joslee>
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Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2017 4:53 PM
Subject: [nvda] Request for comments: Should I record 2018 edition of Welcome to NVDA tutorials set?


Dear global NVDA community,



After reading recent threads on various NVDA lists and looking at some
tweets, I find myself asking if I should do it again: record the 2018
edition of the popular "Welcome to NVDA" tutorials set. The thing is, there
are more superb tutorials out now, including NV Access's own Basic Training
module. I do understand that many folks have come to know NVDA through my
tutorials and some tutorials used mine as a reference or a guide.



For reference, the 2015 edition of this tutorials set can be found at:

http://www.josephsl.net/tutorials



If the community says I should record the 2018 edition, it'll be done with
some conditions:



* The tutorial will be based on a combination of 2017.4 and latest
snapshot features.
* I'll be using Windows 10 Version 1709 (Fall Creators Update).
* I will not ask for payment for this set; if you insist on paying me,
I'd rather ask you to donate to NV Access.
* If possible, I'll come up with a text transcript and a way for folks
to provide edits via pull requests on GitHub.
* I'll be moving away from Internet Explorer for browse mode
demonstrations, opting for Firefox and Microsoft Edge.



Below is a list of changes between 2015 and 2018 editions provided you say I
should do it:



* I'll be using Windows OneCore voices for most speech demos.
* Chapter 1 (Intro) will be expanded and re-recorded to improve
recording quality, as well as adding additional information such as command
line switches to start a portable copy after creating one and a note on
Controlled Folder Access.
* Chapter 2 (Basics) will go over more touchscreen possibilities, some
command changes (including copying the contents of status bars) and others.
* Chapter 3 (Objects and object navigation) will feature new examples,
especially more universal app examples.
* Chapter 4 (Browsing the web) will feature reading PDF documents with
Microsoft Edge, turning off single letter navigation commands on the fly and
elements list improvements.
* Chapter 5 (Apps) will feature new and updated examples.
* Chapters 6 and 7 (Configuration) will feature new settings,
including Windows 10 OCR and many others.
* Chapter 8 (tools) will feature content recognition.
* Chapter 9 (Add-ons) will feature new and updated examples, including
Remote Support add-on.
* Addenda may include a word on ARM64 support, development snapshots
and what not.



Comments are appreciated.

Cheers,

Joseph