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Re: Email clients for windows 7 32 bits, anny recommendation?
Hello Gene! Sincerely, I don't remember what version is. I haven't used this client for a long time.
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Re: Anti Virus Program
Gene
You keep saying the user is almost always the
vector. that is not correct. the user is often the vector. If
malicious web sites couldn't infect machines without the user doing anything
except going to the site, if hacked advertising, which is becoming an increasing
problem even on very reputable sites, couldn't infect your computer unless you
did something first, then people who were careful wouldn't need antimalware
programs. Not to have some protection is a bad idea.
Gene
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Subject: Re: [nvda] Anti Virus Program into thinking, I don't care, the anti virus will protect me, but it wont as all of them are reactive. they cannot protect you from something unknown unless it uses obvious code to do it and it is this last fact, ie they look for common hacks that causes all the false positives, particularly on access software. I am really surprised at Mozilla falling for this one, by attempting to sandbox almost all of the inner workings of Firefox and having to re invent the wheel for access software. This in my view simply stimulates people to hack the code, or use access software as the vector, but then that would only infect a very small number of machines. Most malware needs to be able to compromise your machine unknown to you so you can pass it on, and also not let you see it so they have time to exploit the control or snooping they have. If you presume you have very little protection you will I hope not be so cavalier about what sites you go to in case they are infected. Its nearly always the user who is the vector. We are entering a time where most of the good exploits are known and patched, so the user is the only part of a system you cannot install anti virus on! Sorry but that is my view. All those people I have seen who have got a mangled unusable system have done it to themselves, maybe not knowingly, but we do need to educate people that if you store your life online, its just as bad to go to dodgy neighbourhoods virtually on your machine as it is to walk into a no go area of a city at night and wonder why some moped riding dork nicks your phone. Brian bglists@... Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal email to:- briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nimer Jaber" <nimerjaber1@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Friday, March 09, 2018 4:24 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] Anti Virus Program > Hello, > > Many tech experts now suggest that anti-virus programs should not be used, > that Windows Security is good enough for most users, and that using other > security software actually could leave your machine more vulnerable to > attack. this is for home users, not for enterprise users, but for the > average home user, the built-in security software is good enough, along > with a router firewall and the one built into the OS, and proper surfing > habbits such as not clicking on links and opening attachments in e-mails > you do not know and trust. I don't know if I am ready to adopt this advice > yet, but this is what many tech experts are recommending now. > > As for me, I recommend Sophos. Sophos is focused on the enterprise market, > and they have a very robust home version at this time that is nearly fully > accessible from their web interface. it is a program i recommend highly. > It > has also been rated pretty highly by independent lab testing > methodologies. > > Thanks. > > On Fri, Mar 9, 2018 at 9:18 AM Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io > <bglists@...> wrote: > >> Actually, I was being sarcastic about the only way to stop getting >> infected. >> A never used machine is very safe indeed. >> >> Brian >> >> bglists@... >> Sent via blueyonder. >> Please address personal email to:- >> briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' >> in the display name field. >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Gene" <gsasner@...> >> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> >> Sent: Friday, March 09, 2018 12:48 PM >> Subject: Re: [nvda] Anti Virus Program >> >> >> Turn the machine off? When? When you go to a web site with hacked >> advertising and your machine has already been infected with no indication >> of >> it to the user? Or if you absentmindedly do something you shouldn't do? >> I'm not infallible. Once, I wasn't thinking about what I was doing and I >> followed a link that came in a message that looked as though it came from >> someone I knew. I just wasn't thinking at the moment. Avast wouldn't >> let >> me connect with the web site. What would have happened if I wasn't >> running >> an antivirus program? Who knows? I don't recall ever doing something >> like >> that before or since. But I just wasn't thinking one time in a lot of >> years >> of computer use. >> >> You have to take actions to be infected in many cases, but there are >> cases, >> and their number is growing, where you don't. You can greatly reduce the >> danger by using a JAVA script blocker or by turning scripts off except on >> sites where they are necessary. But just saying turn the computer off >> only >> works in cases where malware wants you to click something like a yes or >> ok >> button or no button on a web page. It doesn't matter what button you >> click. >> Clicking any button will cause the malware to install. So, in those >> cases, >> just shutting down the computer will stop you from being infected. But >> if >> it were that easy not to become infected, these antimalware companies >> wouldn't exist. >> >> Gene >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> From: Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io >> Sent: Friday, March 09, 2018 4:05 AM >> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io >> Subject: Re: [nvda] Anti Virus Program >> >> >> Yes take the cheap route, just tirm he computer off and leave it off, >> very >> safe and costs nothing.. grin >> I do feel we are losing our way. Most of the exploits are aimed at >> people >> not exploits. >> Obviously they will need to patch holes, but expecting anti virus >> systems >> to protect from everything is really impossible in my view. The more they >> try to find everything the more they slow the computer down and trigger >> false positives, and of course since everyone except Microsoft seem to >> have >> designed their front ends inaccessibly, there is no hope for us. >> That is my reading of the current situation. I'll let you know when my >> completely unprotected amd chipped xp machines get clobbered. Probably >> not >> for a long while unless I'm very unlucky. >> Brian >> >> bglists@... >> Sent via blueyonder. >> Please address personal email to:- >> briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' >> in the display name field. >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Shaun Everiss" <sm.everiss@...> >> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> >> Sent: Friday, March 09, 2018 4:20 AM >> Subject: Re: [nvda] Anti Virus Program >> >> >> > You know this has popped up so much and I have decided that there just >> > isn't anymore. >> > >> > Avast could have been a great program. >> > >> > Nod32 was accessible up to a point, it aint now, vipre maybe, panda >> > antivirus maybe. >> > >> > Sophos. >> > >> > To be honest the fact so many lagit programs are being mistargeted, >> > forcing users like me to have to basically leave vast parts of the os >> open >> > to attack is a problem. >> > >> > Some users have gone so far to exclude their drives from scanning and >> that >> > does in deed fix things. >> > >> > On my new system I am just going to have to exclude my backup drive >> > from >> > scanning because I just don't trust what windows defender will do. >> > >> > As for the rest, I will have to restructure my drive, and exclude all >> > audio games, all portable apps, all apps, all user installed programs >> > the >> > only things I will leave with programs in it are windows and ms >> > programs >> > and my downloads folder and maybe make a folder for unprocessed files >> > and >> > exclude that. >> > >> > Basically to use my system securely I will have to exclude pritty much >> > half my c drive in order to not run into problems. >> > >> > I may as well not use antivirus alltogether, but I have no choice, >> > there >> > are just to many false positives to handle. >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > On 9/03/2018 3:14 p.m., Andrea Sherry wrote: >> >> tried free version of AVG. Setup was difficult and I was not able to >> >> control anything the program did after installation. >> >> >> >> Is there anything better I could try? >> >> >> >> Andrea >> >> >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- > Cordially, > > Nimer Jaber > > My mission is to bring love and peace to everyone around me with all tools > available to me. > My core values are integrity, innovation, loyalty, excellence, and 100% > personal responsibility. > > The message above is intended for the recipient to whom it was > addressed. If you believe that you are not the intended recipient, > please notify me via reply email and destroy all copies of this > correspondence. Action taken as a result of this email or its contents > by anyone other than the intended recipient(s) may result in civil or > criminal charges. I have checked this email and all corresponding > attachments for security threats. However, security of your machine is > up to you. Thanks. > > Registered Linux User 529141. > http://counter.li.org/ > > To find out about a free and versatile screen reader for windows XP > and above, please click here: > http://www.nvda-project.org > > You can follow @nimerjaber on Twitter for the latest technology news. > > To contact me, you can reply to this email or you may call me at > (218-606-0475) and I will do my best to respond to you promptly. Thank > you, and have a great day! >
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Re: Braille support in Google Sheets with NVDA 2018.1 change release notes
Adriani Botez
I am with you Brian, I have just got the question if diagrams in MS Word would properly work with NVDA. If not, support for diagrams would not have been integrated in final release. If someone doubts that a function dows not work, than the user should test it before final release.
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Best Adriani
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Tray messages appearing when not expected
Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
I just downloaded a recent master snap, and every so often, while editing an emial or reading one I'll suddenly here Dropbox up to date. Anyone know why?
Is this some new feature I'm unaware of? Brian bglists@blueyonder.co.uk Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal email to:- briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field.
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Re: Anti Virus Program
Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
Oh dear.
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chuckle. we shall agree to disagree in the spirit of the list. Brian bglists@blueyonder.co.uk Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal email to:- briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field.
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From: "Gene" <gsasner@ripco.com> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Friday, March 09, 2018 4:27 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] Anti Virus Program But considering that one way to prevent infection under certain conditions is to turn the machine off, your message appeared to be discussing that method. Keep the machine off or don't use the machine, might have expressed the idea. But turn the machine off, given certain conditions on Internet sites where that is the procedure prescribed to prevent infection, as I discussed in my message, is ambigguous. Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io Sent: Friday, March 09, 2018 10:18 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Anti Virus Program Actually, I was being sarcastic about the only way to stop getting infected. A never used machine is very safe indeed. Brian bglists@blueyonder.co.uk Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal email to:- briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gene" <gsasner@ripco.com> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Friday, March 09, 2018 12:48 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] Anti Virus Program Turn the machine off? When? When you go to a web site with hacked advertising and your machine has already been infected with no indication of it to the user? Or if you absentmindedly do something you shouldn't do? I'm not infallible. Once, I wasn't thinking about what I was doing and I followed a link that came in a message that looked as though it came from someone I knew. I just wasn't thinking at the moment. Avast wouldn't let me connect with the web site. What would have happened if I wasn't running an antivirus program? Who knows? I don't recall ever doing something like that before or since. But I just wasn't thinking one time in a lot of years of computer use. You have to take actions to be infected in many cases, but there are cases, and their number is growing, where you don't. You can greatly reduce the danger by using a JAVA script blocker or by turning scripts off except on sites where they are necessary. But just saying turn the computer off only works in cases where malware wants you to click something like a yes or ok button or no button on a web page. It doesn't matter what button you click. Clicking any button will cause the malware to install. So, in those cases, just shutting down the computer will stop you from being infected. But if it were that easy not to become infected, these antimalware companies wouldn't exist. Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io Sent: Friday, March 09, 2018 4:05 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Anti Virus Program Yes take the cheap route, just tirm he computer off and leave it off, very safe and costs nothing.. grin I do feel we are losing our way. Most of the exploits are aimed at people not exploits. Obviously they will need to patch holes, but expecting anti virus systems to protect from everything is really impossible in my view. The more they try to find everything the more they slow the computer down and trigger false positives, and of course since everyone except Microsoft seem to have designed their front ends inaccessibly, there is no hope for us. That is my reading of the current situation. I'll let you know when my completely unprotected amd chipped xp machines get clobbered. Probably not for a long while unless I'm very unlucky. Brian bglists@blueyonder.co.uk Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal email to:- briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Shaun Everiss" <sm.everiss@gmail.com> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Friday, March 09, 2018 4:20 AM Subject: Re: [nvda] Anti Virus Program You know this has popped up so much and I have decided that there just
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Re: Anti Virus Program
Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
I think the main issue here is that every anti virus solution lulls the user into thinking, I don't care, the anti virus will protect me, but it wont as all of them are reactive. they cannot protect you from something unknown unless it uses obvious code to do it and it is this last fact, ie they look for common hacks that causes all the false positives, particularly on access software.
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I am really surprised at Mozilla falling for this one, by attempting to sandbox almost all of the inner workings of Firefox and having to re invent the wheel for access software. This in my view simply stimulates people to hack the code, or use access software as the vector, but then that would only infect a very small number of machines. Most malware needs to be able to compromise your machine unknown to you so you can pass it on, and also not let you see it so they have time to exploit the control or snooping they have. If you presume you have very little protection you will I hope not be so cavalier about what sites you go to in case they are infected. Its nearly always the user who is the vector. We are entering a time where most of the good exploits are known and patched, so the user is the only part of a system you cannot install anti virus on! Sorry but that is my view. All those people I have seen who have got a mangled unusable system have done it to themselves, maybe not knowingly, but we do need to educate people that if you store your life online, its just as bad to go to dodgy neighbourhoods virtually on your machine as it is to walk into a no go area of a city at night and wonder why some moped riding dork nicks your phone. Brian bglists@blueyonder.co.uk Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal email to:- briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field.
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From: "Nimer Jaber" <nimerjaber1@gmail.com> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Friday, March 09, 2018 4:24 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] Anti Virus Program Hello,
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Re: Anti Virus Program
Nimer Jaber
I just got those links after a quick Google searc, but there are users on both sides of the issue... I have seen more and more tech and security experts leaning twards Windows Security to be adequate enough. thanks.
On Fri, Mar 9, 2018 at 9:32 AM Antony Stone <antony.stone@...> wrote: Hm, have you got any references for those comments "many tech experts now --
Cordially, Nimer Jaber My mission is to bring love and peace to everyone around me with all tools available to me. My core values are integrity, innovation, loyalty, excellence, and 100% personal responsibility. The message above is intended for the recipient to whom it was addressed. If you believe that you are not the intended recipient, please notify me via reply email and destroy all copies of this correspondence. Action taken as a result of this email or its contents by anyone other than the intended recipient(s) may result in civil or criminal charges. I have checked this email and all corresponding attachments for security threats. However, security of your machine is up to you. Thanks. Registered Linux User 529141. http://counter.li.org/ To find out about a free and versatile screen reader for windows XP and above, please click here: http://www.nvda-project.org You can follow @nimerjaber on Twitter for the latest technology news. To contact me, you can reply to this email or you may call me at (218-606-0475) and I will do my best to respond to you promptly. Thank you, and have a great day!
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Re: Anti Virus Program
Nimer Jaber
And, on the flip side... https://www.pcmag.com/article/356835/does-windows-10s-security-boost-make-antivirus-obsolete
On Fri, Mar 9, 2018 at 9:32 AM Antony Stone <antony.stone@...> wrote: Hm, have you got any references for those comments "many tech experts now --
Cordially, Nimer Jaber My mission is to bring love and peace to everyone around me with all tools available to me. My core values are integrity, innovation, loyalty, excellence, and 100% personal responsibility. The message above is intended for the recipient to whom it was addressed. If you believe that you are not the intended recipient, please notify me via reply email and destroy all copies of this correspondence. Action taken as a result of this email or its contents by anyone other than the intended recipient(s) may result in civil or criminal charges. I have checked this email and all corresponding attachments for security threats. However, security of your machine is up to you. Thanks. Registered Linux User 529141. http://counter.li.org/ To find out about a free and versatile screen reader for windows XP and above, please click here: http://www.nvda-project.org You can follow @nimerjaber on Twitter for the latest technology news. To contact me, you can reply to this email or you may call me at (218-606-0475) and I will do my best to respond to you promptly. Thank you, and have a great day!
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Re: Anti Virus Program
Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
https://sourceforge.net/projects/clamwin/files/clamwin/0.99.1/clamwin-0.99.1-setup.exe/download?use_mirror=kent
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Found in three clicks of the keyboard. Brian bglists@blueyonder.co.uk Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal email to:- briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field.
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From: "Casey" <cwollner@wi.rr.com> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Friday, March 09, 2018 3:42 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] Anti Virus Program Hi where can you get this clamwin from?
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Re: Anti Virus Program
Antony Stone
Hm, have you got any references for those comments "many tech experts now
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suggest that anti-virus programs should not be used" and "using other security software actually could leave your machine more vulnerable"? That sounds interesting and quite significant - I'd like to read more background about such opinions. Thanks, Antony.
On Friday 09 March 2018 at 17:24:47, Nimer Jaber wrote:
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Anyone that's normal doesn't really achieve much. - Mark Blair, Australian rocket engineer Please reply to the list; please *don't* CC me.
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Re: Anti Virus Program
Gene
But considering that one way to prevent infection
under certain conditions is to turn the machine off, your message appeared to be
discussing that method. Keep the machine off or don't use the machine,
might have expressed the idea. But turn the machine off, given certain
conditions on Internet sites where that is the procedure prescribed to prevent
infection, as I discussed in my message, is ambigguous.
Gene
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Sent: Friday, March 09, 2018 10:18 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Anti Virus Program A never used machine is very safe indeed. Brian bglists@... Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal email to:- briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gene" <gsasner@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Friday, March 09, 2018 12:48 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] Anti Virus Program Turn the machine off? When? When you go to a web site with hacked advertising and your machine has already been infected with no indication of it to the user? Or if you absentmindedly do something you shouldn't do? I'm not infallible. Once, I wasn't thinking about what I was doing and I followed a link that came in a message that looked as though it came from someone I knew. I just wasn't thinking at the moment. Avast wouldn't let me connect with the web site. What would have happened if I wasn't running an antivirus program? Who knows? I don't recall ever doing something like that before or since. But I just wasn't thinking one time in a lot of years of computer use. You have to take actions to be infected in many cases, but there are cases, and their number is growing, where you don't. You can greatly reduce the danger by using a JAVA script blocker or by turning scripts off except on sites where they are necessary. But just saying turn the computer off only works in cases where malware wants you to click something like a yes or ok button or no button on a web page. It doesn't matter what button you click. Clicking any button will cause the malware to install. So, in those cases, just shutting down the computer will stop you from being infected. But if it were that easy not to become infected, these antimalware companies wouldn't exist. Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io Sent: Friday, March 09, 2018 4:05 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Anti Virus Program Yes take the cheap route, just tirm he computer off and leave it off, very safe and costs nothing.. grin I do feel we are losing our way. Most of the exploits are aimed at people not exploits. Obviously they will need to patch holes, but expecting anti virus systems to protect from everything is really impossible in my view. The more they try to find everything the more they slow the computer down and trigger false positives, and of course since everyone except Microsoft seem to have designed their front ends inaccessibly, there is no hope for us. That is my reading of the current situation. I'll let you know when my completely unprotected amd chipped xp machines get clobbered. Probably not for a long while unless I'm very unlucky. Brian bglists@... Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal email to:- briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Shaun Everiss" <sm.everiss@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Friday, March 09, 2018 4:20 AM Subject: Re: [nvda] Anti Virus Program > You know this has popped up so much and I have decided that there just > isn't anymore. > > Avast could have been a great program. > > Nod32 was accessible up to a point, it aint now, vipre maybe, panda > antivirus maybe. > > Sophos. > > To be honest the fact so many lagit programs are being mistargeted, > forcing users like me to have to basically leave vast parts of the os open > to attack is a problem. > > Some users have gone so far to exclude their drives from scanning and that > does in deed fix things. > > On my new system I am just going to have to exclude my backup drive from > scanning because I just don't trust what windows defender will do. > > As for the rest, I will have to restructure my drive, and exclude all > audio games, all portable apps, all apps, all user installed programs the > only things I will leave with programs in it are windows and ms programs > and my downloads folder and maybe make a folder for unprocessed files and > exclude that. > > Basically to use my system securely I will have to exclude pritty much > half my c drive in order to not run into problems. > > I may as well not use antivirus alltogether, but I have no choice, there > are just to many false positives to handle. > > > > > On 9/03/2018 3:14 p.m., Andrea Sherry wrote: >> tried free version of AVG. Setup was difficult and I was not able to >> control anything the program did after installation. >> >> Is there anything better I could try? >> >> Andrea >> > > > >
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Re: Anti Virus Program
Nimer Jaber
Hello, Many tech experts now suggest that anti-virus programs should not be used, that Windows Security is good enough for most users, and that using other security software actually could leave your machine more vulnerable to attack. this is for home users, not for enterprise users, but for the average home user, the built-in security software is good enough, along with a router firewall and the one built into the OS, and proper surfing habbits such as not clicking on links and opening attachments in e-mails you do not know and trust. I don't know if I am ready to adopt this advice yet, but this is what many tech experts are recommending now. As for me, I recommend Sophos. Sophos is focused on the enterprise market, and they have a very robust home version at this time that is nearly fully accessible from their web interface. it is a program i recommend highly. It has also been rated pretty highly by independent lab testing methodologies. Thanks.
On Fri, Mar 9, 2018 at 9:18 AM Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io <bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io> wrote: Actually, I was being sarcastic about the only way to stop getting infected. --
Cordially, Nimer Jaber My mission is to bring love and peace to everyone around me with all tools available to me. My core values are integrity, innovation, loyalty, excellence, and 100% personal responsibility. The message above is intended for the recipient to whom it was addressed. If you believe that you are not the intended recipient, please notify me via reply email and destroy all copies of this correspondence. Action taken as a result of this email or its contents by anyone other than the intended recipient(s) may result in civil or criminal charges. I have checked this email and all corresponding attachments for security threats. However, security of your machine is up to you. Thanks. Registered Linux User 529141. http://counter.li.org/ To find out about a free and versatile screen reader for windows XP and above, please click here: http://www.nvda-project.org You can follow @nimerjaber on Twitter for the latest technology news. To contact me, you can reply to this email or you may call me at (218-606-0475) and I will do my best to respond to you promptly. Thank you, and have a great day!
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Re: Anti Virus Program
Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
Have you done a google search?
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Dont expect too much from it. Brian bglists@blueyonder.co.uk Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal email to:- briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field.
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From: "Casey" <cwollner@wi.rr.com> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Friday, March 09, 2018 3:42 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] Anti Virus Program Hi where can you get this clamwin from?
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Re: Email clients for windows 7 32 bits, anny recommendation?
Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
Oh it works with 10, it just gets trashed when windows decides to do a complete reinstall usually every 3 months if my friends are anything to go by.
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I think the latest incarnation of oe with the patch allows you to back up all data and restore it after the reinstall later on. You can also try oe classic as has been said here recently, but really, to me the mystery is why it won't work with tbird when many people have no issues with it on 32 bit installations. Obviously you need to right version of the software and a machine running sp1 of windows 7. brian bglists@blueyonder.co.uk Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal email to:- briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field.
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From: "Kerryn Gunness via Groups.Io" <k_gunness=yahoo.ca@groups.io> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Friday, March 09, 2018 1:39 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] Email clients for windows 7 32 bits, anny recommendation? outlook express for windows 7 and 8, sometimes it does not work with windows 10 or thunder bird with all windows ----- Original Message ----- From: Gene To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Sent: Friday, March 09, 2018 8:35 AM Subject: Re: [nvda] Email clients for windows 7 32 bits, anny recommendation? Is this the ribbon or menu version? If someone wants the older menu version, it is important that they not install the ribbon version. You can't just uninstall it and then install the menu version later. I believe you have to remove one or more entries from the registry first. So unless you know what version you are downloading and which one you want, don't install a version without knowing. Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: Florian Ionașcu Sent: Friday, March 09, 2018 1:37 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Email clients for windows 7 32 bits, anny recommendation? Hello everyone! I would use Windows Live Mail when I was using Windows 7, so I can help you. Click here to download this installation package. Cheers, Florian
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Re: Anti Virus Program
Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
Actually, I was being sarcastic about the only way to stop getting infected. A never used machine is very safe indeed.
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From: "Gene" <gsasner@ripco.com> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Friday, March 09, 2018 12:48 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] Anti Virus Program Turn the machine off? When? When you go to a web site with hacked advertising and your machine has already been infected with no indication of it to the user? Or if you absentmindedly do something you shouldn't do? I'm not infallible. Once, I wasn't thinking about what I was doing and I followed a link that came in a message that looked as though it came from someone I knew. I just wasn't thinking at the moment. Avast wouldn't let me connect with the web site. What would have happened if I wasn't running an antivirus program? Who knows? I don't recall ever doing something like that before or since. But I just wasn't thinking one time in a lot of years of computer use. You have to take actions to be infected in many cases, but there are cases, and their number is growing, where you don't. You can greatly reduce the danger by using a JAVA script blocker or by turning scripts off except on sites where they are necessary. But just saying turn the computer off only works in cases where malware wants you to click something like a yes or ok button or no button on a web page. It doesn't matter what button you click. Clicking any button will cause the malware to install. So, in those cases, just shutting down the computer will stop you from being infected. But if it were that easy not to become infected, these antimalware companies wouldn't exist. Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io Sent: Friday, March 09, 2018 4:05 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Anti Virus Program Yes take the cheap route, just tirm he computer off and leave it off, very safe and costs nothing.. grin I do feel we are losing our way. Most of the exploits are aimed at people not exploits. Obviously they will need to patch holes, but expecting anti virus systems to protect from everything is really impossible in my view. The more they try to find everything the more they slow the computer down and trigger false positives, and of course since everyone except Microsoft seem to have designed their front ends inaccessibly, there is no hope for us. That is my reading of the current situation. I'll let you know when my completely unprotected amd chipped xp machines get clobbered. Probably not for a long while unless I'm very unlucky. Brian bglists@blueyonder.co.uk Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal email to:- briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Shaun Everiss" <sm.everiss@gmail.com> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Friday, March 09, 2018 4:20 AM Subject: Re: [nvda] Anti Virus Program You know this has popped up so much and I have decided that there just
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Re: where can I get an older version of NVDA?
Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
Well mine ar at.
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C:\Users\Brian\AppData\Roaming\nvda I'm using windows7. Brian bglists@blueyonder.co.uk Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal email to:- briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field.
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From: "Sandra Pilz" <sandra914481@gmail.com> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Friday, March 09, 2018 12:28 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] where can I get an older version of NVDA? I have installed NVDA-2017.4 after uninstalling the current version. Unfortunately, the Braille Driver from the new version still is being used, and the HandyTech driver via the Classic Addon doesn't work anymore. I assume when I uninstalled 2018.1, the new drivers weren't deleted, and now the older version of NVDA tries to use the newer drivers. Where do I have to go to delete them manually?
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Re: where can I get an older version of NVDA?
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Yes its a strange one as I saw a lot of interaction on the github site about getting this right, and yet it seems to have gone wrong anyway. Not having the luxury of Braille displays, its all a bit of a black art to me.
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Brian bglists@blueyonder.co.uk Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal email to:- briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field.
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From: "Sandra Pilz" <sandra914481@gmail.com> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Friday, March 09, 2018 12:11 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] where can I get an older version of NVDA? Thank you for the download link, Zara.
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Re: Braille support in Google Sheets with NVDA 2018.1 change release notes
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I find it quite funny that there are RC builds out there much advertised here, and nobody spots problems, but due no doubt to Murphy's law, they all get noticed on the release version. Both in this case on brailed support by the looks of it.
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You can't win really, can you? :-) Brian bglists@blueyonder.co.uk Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal email to:- briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field.
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From: "Davy Cuppens" <davycuppens@gmail.com> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Friday, March 09, 2018 10:49 AM Subject: Re: [nvda] Braille support in Google Sheets with NVDA 2018.1 change release notes So please delete the sentence in the release notes about early support while users are reporting there is no support. Otherwise users get wrong expectations. Regards Davy Verstuurd vanaf mijn iPhone Op 9 mrt. 2018 om 09:56 heeft Sylvie Duchateau <sduchateau@access42.net> het volgende geschreven:
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Re: Anti Virus Program
Casey <cwollner@...>
Hi where can you get this clamwin from? And what does it take to set it all up?
On 3/8/2018 10:57 PM, Sam Taylor wrote:
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Re: Anti Virus Program
Jaffar Sidek
I said efficient, not good or perfect. I do nnot want to debate about the good or bad of one anti-virus program above the other. I am just speaking from my personal observation which no one is forced to take on board. I use Windows defender, my pc is protected against threats, that's good enough for me.
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On 9/3/2018 3:42 PM, Shaun Everiss wrote:
On that note, what steps can we do to reduce false positives exactly.
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