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Webbie pdf to text new version with ocr

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I know not much about it but picked this up on another account and as there have been discussions about such things here, I thought I'd mention it.

If you put webbie into a search you should find the site.
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Re: Windows10 Mail and NVDA: several bugs reported

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I'll ask the next question which build of windows 10 is it he is using? I'm sure Joseph will ask otherwise!
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Iván Novegil via Groups.Io" <ivan.novegil=nvda.es@groups.io>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, March 12, 2018 9:59 AM
Subject: [nvda] Windows10 Mail and NVDA: several bugs reported


Hello all.


A Spanish user asked us about the following two bugs he has with
Windows10's mail app.

-When opening a mail to read it, NVDA reports "page 1".

-When writing a message with word echo enabled and pressing space after
typing a word with accented letters or "ñ" on it NVDA doesn't report it.


Can someone try to reproduce these bugs to open an issue if needed? The
two ones happened after updating to 2018.1 and using either Eloquence or
eSpeakNG and with WinTenApps and without it.


Thanks in advance.

Regards.

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Registry fixing tool in nvda

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I know a number of people here have had serious issues with browsers not reading word not working right with nvda and other associated problems.
For some time now this has been known to be due to registry issues due to uninstallers of other software not correctly registering important files. The latest next snapshot has a tool to fix this, rather predictably in its tool menu, so if you are having such issues, it may well be a good idea to try this version of nvda and use the tool.
it should do no harm, but do remember that next snaps are bleeding edge code and will need to be used with caution. Always back up your previous version and set a restore point before doing any work on registry files. Note the account that its used on has to have admin access or it won't work.

Here is what the entry says.

commit 8793a65c7aa65949a9043aafc932627ff158c90a
Author: Michael Curran <mick@nvaccess.org>
Date: Thu 08 Mar 2018 09:41:04 +1000
Installer: re-register some common COM interfaces which commonly get broken by bad uninstallers.
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commit d3a9795e75cdbe9241d11eecb9a98fbe774a17f7
Author: Michael Curran <mick@nvaccess.org>
Date: Mon 12 Mar 2018 12:06:37 +1000
COMRegistrationFixes tool: add a backslash to the systemDrive. Also deremove some unused functions.
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commit 3a5abd72a307fbe02779111dfee3bc5f5371345d
Author: Michael Curran <mick@nvaccess.org>
Date: Mon 12 Mar 2018 12:07:19 +1000
Add the COM Registrations Fixing tool to NVDA's Tools menu.
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commit e1d79784de5f0b77343992e61b1fb811a9dc826e
Author: Michael Curran <mick@nvaccess.org>
Date: Mon 12 Mar 2018 15:43:05 +1000
Add a warning dialog to the COM Registration Fixing tool when run manually from the Tools menu.
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commit 7c2e945533f7386b4b3142281e23009997f5d801
Author: Michael Curran <mick@nvaccess.org>
Date: Mon 12 Mar 2018 17:44:10 +1000
Add copyright header
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commit 877362bde2e108fae69c067cb26bdd797843caa8
Author: Michael Curran <mick@nvaccess.org>
Date: Mon 12 Mar 2018 17:48:11 +1000
Add a module docstring
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commit e550d32924b55272e05254eada58c9bb04fd1ae7
Author: Michael Curran <mick@nvaccess.org>
Date: Mon 12 Mar 2018 17:55:53 +1000
Incubates #8075
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Re: Error while updating to NVDA 2018.1 via the NVDA update utility.

Gene
 

I don't know if turning up the volume of system sounds would make it louder, nor do I know if the sound can be changed.  But there is a sound.  also, when using the portable version of NVDA, when UAC comes on, you hear the phrase, secure desktop.  I don't know what, if anything, you hear with the installed version.  But it isn't as though, when using the default setting, UAC comes on often.  I don't see a good reason to disable a Windows security feature to eliminate a minimum amount of inconvenience. 
 
Gene

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Sent: Monday, March 12, 2018 5:57 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Error while updating to NVDA 2018.1 via the NVDA update utility.

But its not really a sound that shouts out a different thing. At least not
on windows 7 I have its not, maybe one can change it.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <gsasner@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, March 12, 2018 10:37 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Error while updating to NVDA 2018.1 via the NVDA update
utility.


There already is a UAC sound.

Gene
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From: Chris via Groups.Io
Sent: Monday, March 12, 2018 5:01 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Error while updating to NVDA 2018.1 via the NVDA update
utility.


A sound can be associated in sounds in control panel



Whether it has a sound by default or not i cannot tell you but there is the
option to do so if one can be bothered that is





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Subject: Re: [nvda] Error while updating to NVDA 2018.1 via the NVDA update
utility.



Yes because for some reason only known to Microsoft this screen does not

have any text that can be spoken by a screenreader. It would be nice if it

made a sound so you knew it was there. If you are the only user, then having

uac on seems completely pointless.

Brian



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----- Original Message -----

From: "Dennis L" <dennisl1982@...>

To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>

Sent: Monday, March 12, 2018 3:52 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Error while updating to NVDA 2018.1 via the NVDA update

utility.





> this is why I turn off user account control.

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: "Joseph Lee" <joseph.lee22590@...>

> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>

> Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2018 9:45 PM

> Subject: Re: [nvda] Error while updating to NVDA 2018.1 via the NVDA

> update utility.

>

>

> Hi,

> Yes, but this time, say "yes" when UAC (User Account Control) screen

> appears.

> Cheers,

> Joseph

>

> -----Original Message-----

> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Arianna

> Sepulveda

> Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2018 6:44 PM

> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

> Subject: [nvda] Error while updating to NVDA 2018.1 via the NVDA update

> utility.

>

> Hello, All,

>

>

> I just tried installing the NVDA 2018.1 update via the NVDA update

> utility, and got the following error. I'm not sure what is relevant, so I

> just coppied the entire output of the log viewer.

>

> INFO - __main__ (18:37:12.331):

> Starting NVDA

> INFO - core.main (18:37:12.667):

> Config dir: C:\Users\englishrider91\AppData\Roaming\nvda

> INFO - config.ConfigManager._loadConfig (18:37:12.667):

> Loading config: C:\Users\englishrider91\AppData\Roaming\nvda\nvda.ini

> INFO - core.main (18:37:12.684):

> NVDA version 2018.1

> INFO - core.main (18:37:12.684):

> Using Windows version 10.0.15063 workstation INFO - core.main

> (18:37:12.684):

> Using Python version 2.7.14 (v2.7.14:84471935ed, Sep 16 2017,

> 20:19:30) [MSC v.1500 32 bit (Intel)]

> INFO - core.main (18:37:12.684):

> Using comtypes version 1.1.3

> INFO - synthDriverHandler.setSynth (18:37:13.601):

> Loaded synthDriver eloquence

> INFO - core.main (18:37:13.601):

> Using wx version 3.0.2.0 msw (classic)

> INFO - brailleInput.initialize (18:37:13.601):

> Braille input initialized

> INFO - braille.initialize (18:37:13.601):

> Using liblouis version 3.3.0

> INFO - braille.BrailleHandler.setDisplayByName (18:37:13.601):

> Loaded braille display driver noBraille, current display has 0 cells.

> INFO - _UIAHandler.UIAHandler.MTAThreadFunc (18:37:13.753):

> UIAutomation: IUIAutomation3

> INFO - core.main (18:37:14.687):

> NVDA initialized

> ERROR - gui.installerGui.doInstall (18:37:46.061):

> Failed to execute installer

> Traceback (most recent call last):

>  File "gui\installerGui.pyo", line 32, in doInstall

>  File "config\__init__.pyo", line 192, in execElevated

>  File "shellapi.pyo", line 42, in ShellExecuteEx

> WindowsError: [Error 1223] The operation was canceled by the user.

> ERROR - gui.installerGui.doInstall (18:37:46.061):

> Installation failed: [Error 1223] The operation was canceled by the user.

>

> Should I try updating again?

>

>

> Thanks,

> Ari

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>
Re: Error while updating to NVDA 2018.1 via the NVDA update utility.

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But its not really a sound that shouts out a different thing. At least not on windows 7 I have its not, maybe one can change it.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <gsasner@ripco.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, March 12, 2018 10:37 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Error while updating to NVDA 2018.1 via the NVDA update utility.


There already is a UAC sound.

Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Chris via Groups.Io
Sent: Monday, March 12, 2018 5:01 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Error while updating to NVDA 2018.1 via the NVDA update utility.


A sound can be associated in sounds in control panel



Whether it has a sound by default or not i cannot tell you but there is the option to do so if one can be bothered that is





From: Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
Sent: 12 March 2018 09:35
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Error while updating to NVDA 2018.1 via the NVDA update utility.



Yes because for some reason only known to Microsoft this screen does not

have any text that can be spoken by a screenreader. It would be nice if it

made a sound so you knew it was there. If you are the only user, then having

uac on seems completely pointless.

Brian



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From: "Dennis L" <dennisl1982@gmail.com>

To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>

Sent: Monday, March 12, 2018 3:52 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Error while updating to NVDA 2018.1 via the NVDA update

utility.





this is why I turn off user account control.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Joseph Lee" <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2018 9:45 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Error while updating to NVDA 2018.1 via the NVDA
update utility.
Hi,
Yes, but this time, say "yes" when UAC (User Account Control) screen
appears.
Cheers,
Joseph
-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Arianna
Sepulveda
Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2018 6:44 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Error while updating to NVDA 2018.1 via the NVDA update
utility.
Hello, All,
I just tried installing the NVDA 2018.1 update via the NVDA update
utility, and got the following error. I'm not sure what is relevant, so I
just coppied the entire output of the log viewer.
INFO - __main__ (18:37:12.331):
Starting NVDA
INFO - core.main (18:37:12.667):
Config dir: C:\Users\englishrider91\AppData\Roaming\nvda
INFO - config.ConfigManager._loadConfig (18:37:12.667):
Loading config: C:\Users\englishrider91\AppData\Roaming\nvda\nvda.ini
INFO - core.main (18:37:12.684):
NVDA version 2018.1
INFO - core.main (18:37:12.684):
Using Windows version 10.0.15063 workstation INFO - core.main
(18:37:12.684):
Using Python version 2.7.14 (v2.7.14:84471935ed, Sep 16 2017,
20:19:30) [MSC v.1500 32 bit (Intel)]
INFO - core.main (18:37:12.684):
Using comtypes version 1.1.3
INFO - synthDriverHandler.setSynth (18:37:13.601):
Loaded synthDriver eloquence
INFO - core.main (18:37:13.601):
Using wx version 3.0.2.0 msw (classic)
INFO - brailleInput.initialize (18:37:13.601):
Braille input initialized
INFO - braille.initialize (18:37:13.601):
Using liblouis version 3.3.0
INFO - braille.BrailleHandler.setDisplayByName (18:37:13.601):
Loaded braille display driver noBraille, current display has 0 cells.
INFO - _UIAHandler.UIAHandler.MTAThreadFunc (18:37:13.753):
UIAutomation: IUIAutomation3
INFO - core.main (18:37:14.687):
NVDA initialized
ERROR - gui.installerGui.doInstall (18:37:46.061):
Failed to execute installer
Traceback (most recent call last):
File "gui\installerGui.pyo", line 32, in doInstall
File "config\__init__.pyo", line 192, in execElevated
File "shellapi.pyo", line 42, in ShellExecuteEx
WindowsError: [Error 1223] The operation was canceled by the user.
ERROR - gui.installerGui.doInstall (18:37:46.061):
Installation failed: [Error 1223] The operation was canceled by the user.
Should I try updating again?
Thanks,
Ari
Re: Error while updating to NVDA 2018.1 via the NVDA update utility.

Gene
 

There already is a UAC sound. 

Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, March 12, 2018 5:01 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Error while updating to NVDA 2018.1 via the NVDA update utility.

A sound can be associated in sounds in control panel

 

Whether it has a sound by default or not i cannot tell you but there is the option to do so if one can be bothered that is

 

 

From: Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
Sent: 12 March 2018 09:35
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Error while updating to NVDA 2018.1 via the NVDA update utility.

 

Yes because for some reason only known to Microsoft this screen does not

have any text that can be spoken by a screenreader. It would be nice if it

made a sound so you knew it was there. If you are the only user, then having

uac on seems completely pointless.

Brian

 

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----- Original Message -----

From: "Dennis L" <dennisl1982@...>

To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>

Sent: Monday, March 12, 2018 3:52 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Error while updating to NVDA 2018.1 via the NVDA update

utility.

 

 

> this is why I turn off user account control.

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: "Joseph Lee" <joseph.lee22590@...>

> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>

> Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2018 9:45 PM

> Subject: Re: [nvda] Error while updating to NVDA 2018.1 via the NVDA

> update utility.

> 

> 

> Hi,

> Yes, but this time, say "yes" when UAC (User Account Control) screen

> appears.

> Cheers,

> Joseph

> 

> -----Original Message-----

> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Arianna

> Sepulveda

> Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2018 6:44 PM

> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

> Subject: [nvda] Error while updating to NVDA 2018.1 via the NVDA update

> utility.

> 

> Hello, All,

> 

> 

> I just tried installing the NVDA 2018.1 update via the NVDA update

> utility, and got the following error. I'm not sure what is relevant, so I

> just coppied the entire output of the log viewer.

> 

> INFO - __main__ (18:37:12.331):

> Starting NVDA

> INFO - core.main (18:37:12.667):

> Config dir: C:\Users\englishrider91\AppData\Roaming\nvda

> INFO - config.ConfigManager._loadConfig (18:37:12.667):

> Loading config: C:\Users\englishrider91\AppData\Roaming\nvda\nvda.ini

> INFO - core.main (18:37:12.684):

> NVDA version 2018.1

> INFO - core.main (18:37:12.684):

> Using Windows version 10.0.15063 workstation INFO - core.main

> (18:37:12.684):

> Using Python version 2.7.14 (v2.7.14:84471935ed, Sep 16 2017,

> 20:19:30) [MSC v.1500 32 bit (Intel)]

> INFO - core.main (18:37:12.684):

> Using comtypes version 1.1.3

> INFO - synthDriverHandler.setSynth (18:37:13.601):

> Loaded synthDriver eloquence

> INFO - core.main (18:37:13.601):

> Using wx version 3.0.2.0 msw (classic)

> INFO - brailleInput.initialize (18:37:13.601):

> Braille input initialized

> INFO - braille.initialize (18:37:13.601):

> Using liblouis version 3.3.0

> INFO - braille.BrailleHandler.setDisplayByName (18:37:13.601):

> Loaded braille display driver noBraille, current display has 0 cells.

> INFO - _UIAHandler.UIAHandler.MTAThreadFunc (18:37:13.753):

> UIAutomation: IUIAutomation3

> INFO - core.main (18:37:14.687):

> NVDA initialized

> ERROR - gui.installerGui.doInstall (18:37:46.061):

> Failed to execute installer

> Traceback (most recent call last):

>  File "gui\installerGui.pyo", line 32, in doInstall

>  File "config\__init__.pyo", line 192, in execElevated

>  File "shellapi.pyo", line 42, in ShellExecuteEx

> WindowsError: [Error 1223] The operation was canceled by the user.

> ERROR - gui.installerGui.doInstall (18:37:46.061):

> Installation failed: [Error 1223] The operation was canceled by the user.

> 

> Should I try updating again?

> 

> 

> Thanks,

> Ari

> 

> 

> 

> 

> 

> 

> 

>

>

 

 

 

 
Re: Error while updating to NVDA 2018.1 via the NVDA update utility.

Gene
 

In what version of Windows do you not hear UAC text spoken when the screen comes up?  In Windows 7 the text is spoken, from what I've read, unless you are using the portable version.  If this isn't the case, we should know it and the problem should be corrected.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, March 12, 2018 4:35 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Error while updating to NVDA 2018.1 via the NVDA update utility.

Yes because for some reason only known to Microsoft this screen does not
have any text that can be spoken by a screenreader. It would be nice if it
made a sound so you knew it was there. If you are the only user, then having
uac on seems completely pointless.
 Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Dennis L" <dennisl1982@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, March 12, 2018 3:52 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Error while updating to NVDA 2018.1 via the NVDA update
utility.


> this is why I turn off user account control.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Joseph Lee" <joseph.lee22590@...>
> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2018 9:45 PM
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Error while updating to NVDA 2018.1 via the NVDA
> update utility.
>
>
> Hi,
> Yes, but this time, say "yes" when UAC (User Account Control) screen
> appears.
> Cheers,
> Joseph
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Arianna
> Sepulveda
> Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2018 6:44 PM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: [nvda] Error while updating to NVDA 2018.1 via the NVDA update
> utility.
>
> Hello, All,
>
>
> I just tried installing the NVDA 2018.1 update via the NVDA update
> utility, and got the following error. I'm not sure what is relevant, so I
> just coppied the entire output of the log viewer.
>
> INFO - __main__ (18:37:12.331):
> Starting NVDA
> INFO - core.main (18:37:12.667):
> Config dir: C:\Users\englishrider91\AppData\Roaming\nvda
> INFO - config.ConfigManager._loadConfig (18:37:12.667):
> Loading config: C:\Users\englishrider91\AppData\Roaming\nvda\nvda.ini
> INFO - core.main (18:37:12.684):
> NVDA version 2018.1
> INFO - core.main (18:37:12.684):
> Using Windows version 10.0.15063 workstation INFO - core.main
> (18:37:12.684):
> Using Python version 2.7.14 (v2.7.14:84471935ed, Sep 16 2017,
> 20:19:30) [MSC v.1500 32 bit (Intel)]
> INFO - core.main (18:37:12.684):
> Using comtypes version 1.1.3
> INFO - synthDriverHandler.setSynth (18:37:13.601):
> Loaded synthDriver eloquence
> INFO - core.main (18:37:13.601):
> Using wx version 3.0.2.0 msw (classic)
> INFO - brailleInput.initialize (18:37:13.601):
> Braille input initialized
> INFO - braille.initialize (18:37:13.601):
> Using liblouis version 3.3.0
> INFO - braille.BrailleHandler.setDisplayByName (18:37:13.601):
> Loaded braille display driver noBraille, current display has 0 cells.
> INFO - _UIAHandler.UIAHandler.MTAThreadFunc (18:37:13.753):
> UIAutomation: IUIAutomation3
> INFO - core.main (18:37:14.687):
> NVDA initialized
> ERROR - gui.installerGui.doInstall (18:37:46.061):
> Failed to execute installer
> Traceback (most recent call last):
>  File "gui\installerGui.pyo", line 32, in doInstall
>  File "config\__init__.pyo", line 192, in execElevated
>  File "shellapi.pyo", line 42, in ShellExecuteEx
> WindowsError: [Error 1223] The operation was canceled by the user.
> ERROR - gui.installerGui.doInstall (18:37:46.061):
> Installation failed: [Error 1223] The operation was canceled by the user.
>
> Should I try updating again?
>
>
> Thanks,
> Ari
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>



Re: Error while updating to NVDA 2018.1 via the NVDA update utility.

Gene
 

It's a minimum amount of inconvenience to respond when the UAC prompt appears.  All you have to do is use the alt y command.  Why are people so casual about disabling a security feature that is minimally inconvenient?  You issue one command.  Compare that very minor inconvenience to what you may have to doo if you are infected because UAC is off.  I realize that malware can circumvent UAC, and, from what I've been told, it isn't difficult.  But still, what if you could have prevented nfection by having it on at a minimum of inconvenience?
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Dennis L
Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2018 10:52 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Error while updating to NVDA 2018.1 via the NVDA update utility.

this is why I turn off user account control.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Joseph Lee" <joseph.lee22590@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2018 9:45 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Error while updating to NVDA 2018.1 via the NVDA update
utility.


Hi,
Yes, but this time, say "yes" when UAC (User Account Control) screen
appears.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Arianna
Sepulveda
Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2018 6:44 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Error while updating to NVDA 2018.1 via the NVDA update
utility.

Hello, All,


I just tried installing the NVDA 2018.1 update via the NVDA update utility,
and got the following error. I'm not sure what is relevant, so I just
coppied the entire output of the log viewer.

INFO - __main__ (18:37:12.331):
Starting NVDA
INFO - core.main (18:37:12.667):
Config dir: C:\Users\englishrider91\AppData\Roaming\nvda
INFO - config.ConfigManager._loadConfig (18:37:12.667):
Loading config: C:\Users\englishrider91\AppData\Roaming\nvda\nvda.ini
INFO - core.main (18:37:12.684):
NVDA version 2018.1
INFO - core.main (18:37:12.684):
Using Windows version 10.0.15063 workstation INFO - core.main
(18:37:12.684):
Using Python version 2.7.14 (v2.7.14:84471935ed, Sep 16 2017,
20:19:30) [MSC v.1500 32 bit (Intel)]
INFO - core.main (18:37:12.684):
Using comtypes version 1.1.3
INFO - synthDriverHandler.setSynth (18:37:13.601):
Loaded synthDriver eloquence
INFO - core.main (18:37:13.601):
Using wx version 3.0.2.0 msw (classic)
INFO - brailleInput.initialize (18:37:13.601):
Braille input initialized
INFO - braille.initialize (18:37:13.601):
Using liblouis version 3.3.0
INFO - braille.BrailleHandler.setDisplayByName (18:37:13.601):
Loaded braille display driver noBraille, current display has 0 cells.
INFO - _UIAHandler.UIAHandler.MTAThreadFunc (18:37:13.753):
UIAutomation: IUIAutomation3
INFO - core.main (18:37:14.687):
NVDA initialized
ERROR - gui.installerGui.doInstall (18:37:46.061):
Failed to execute installer
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "gui\installerGui.pyo", line 32, in doInstall
  File "config\__init__.pyo", line 192, in execElevated
  File "shellapi.pyo", line 42, in ShellExecuteEx
WindowsError: [Error 1223] The operation was canceled by the user.
ERROR - gui.installerGui.doInstall (18:37:46.061):
Installation failed: [Error 1223] The operation was canceled by the user.

Should I try updating again?


Thanks,
Ari
Re: Error while updating to NVDA 2018.1 via the NVDA update utility.

Chris
 

A sound can be associated in sounds in control panel

 

Whether it has a sound by default or not i cannot tell you but there is the option to do so if one can be bothered that is

 

 

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Yes because for some reason only known to Microsoft this screen does not

have any text that can be spoken by a screenreader. It would be nice if it

made a sound so you knew it was there. If you are the only user, then having

uac on seems completely pointless.

Brian

 

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From: "Dennis L" <dennisl1982@...>

To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>

Sent: Monday, March 12, 2018 3:52 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Error while updating to NVDA 2018.1 via the NVDA update

utility.

 

 

> this is why I turn off user account control.

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: "Joseph Lee" <joseph.lee22590@...>

> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>

> Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2018 9:45 PM

> Subject: Re: [nvda] Error while updating to NVDA 2018.1 via the NVDA

> update utility.

> 

> 

> Hi,

> Yes, but this time, say "yes" when UAC (User Account Control) screen

> appears.

> Cheers,

> Joseph

> 

> -----Original Message-----

> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Arianna

> Sepulveda

> Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2018 6:44 PM

> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

> Subject: [nvda] Error while updating to NVDA 2018.1 via the NVDA update

> utility.

> 

> Hello, All,

> 

> 

> I just tried installing the NVDA 2018.1 update via the NVDA update

> utility, and got the following error. I'm not sure what is relevant, so I

> just coppied the entire output of the log viewer.

> 

> INFO - __main__ (18:37:12.331):

> Starting NVDA

> INFO - core.main (18:37:12.667):

> Config dir: C:\Users\englishrider91\AppData\Roaming\nvda

> INFO - config.ConfigManager._loadConfig (18:37:12.667):

> Loading config: C:\Users\englishrider91\AppData\Roaming\nvda\nvda.ini

> INFO - core.main (18:37:12.684):

> NVDA version 2018.1

> INFO - core.main (18:37:12.684):

> Using Windows version 10.0.15063 workstation INFO - core.main

> (18:37:12.684):

> Using Python version 2.7.14 (v2.7.14:84471935ed, Sep 16 2017,

> 20:19:30) [MSC v.1500 32 bit (Intel)]

> INFO - core.main (18:37:12.684):

> Using comtypes version 1.1.3

> INFO - synthDriverHandler.setSynth (18:37:13.601):

> Loaded synthDriver eloquence

> INFO - core.main (18:37:13.601):

> Using wx version 3.0.2.0 msw (classic)

> INFO - brailleInput.initialize (18:37:13.601):

> Braille input initialized

> INFO - braille.initialize (18:37:13.601):

> Using liblouis version 3.3.0

> INFO - braille.BrailleHandler.setDisplayByName (18:37:13.601):

> Loaded braille display driver noBraille, current display has 0 cells.

> INFO - _UIAHandler.UIAHandler.MTAThreadFunc (18:37:13.753):

> UIAutomation: IUIAutomation3

> INFO - core.main (18:37:14.687):

> NVDA initialized

> ERROR - gui.installerGui.doInstall (18:37:46.061):

> Failed to execute installer

> Traceback (most recent call last):

>  File "gui\installerGui.pyo", line 32, in doInstall

>  File "config\__init__.pyo", line 192, in execElevated

>  File "shellapi.pyo", line 42, in ShellExecuteEx

> WindowsError: [Error 1223] The operation was canceled by the user.

> ERROR - gui.installerGui.doInstall (18:37:46.061):

> Installation failed: [Error 1223] The operation was canceled by the user.

> 

> Should I try updating again?

> 

> 

> Thanks,

> Ari

> 

> 

> 

> 

> 

> 

> 

>

>

 

 

 

 
Windows10 Mail and NVDA: several bugs reported

Iván Novegil
 

Hello all.


A Spanish user asked us about the following two bugs he has with Windows10's mail app.

-When opening a mail to read it, NVDA reports "page 1".

-When writing a message with word echo enabled and pressing space after typing a word with accented letters or "ñ" on it NVDA doesn't report it.


Can someone try to reproduce these bugs to open an issue if needed? The two ones happened after updating to 2018.1 and using either Eloquence or eSpeakNG and with WinTenApps and without it.


Thanks in advance.

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Espeak email list

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Now I had hope there was a subscribe entry in the header, but noo, but its not hard to figure it out I suspect!

List-Unsubscribe: <https://groups.io/g/espeak-ng/unsub>;
Sender: espeak-ng@groups.io
List-Id: <espeak-ng.groups.io>
Mailing-List: list espeak-ng@groups.io; contact espeak-ng+owner@groups.io
Delivered-To: mailing list espeak-ng@groups.io
Reply-To: espeak-ng@groups.io


grin
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Re: Error while updating to NVDA 2018.1 via the NVDA update utility.

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Bah humbug, as somebody once said.

The new windows every few months irks me.
I'll stick to 7 till this nonsense is done away with.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene New Zealand" <hurrikennyandopo@outlook.co.nz>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, March 12, 2018 5:19 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Error while updating to NVDA 2018.1 via the NVDA update utility.


Hi


Do the following


Press the windows key and in the search box type uac it should come with a result like change user account

settings.

Press the enter key on that result.


Tab down until you get to the slider and then use the down arrow key to make it go to nought


Then either tab down to if i remember either apply if it is there if so apply it then tab to ok then press the enter key on it.


After you press the enter key the UAC screen will come up just tab to yes then press the enter key on it and it should be done.


Hopefully after that it will not come up again until the next big windows update.


Gene nz



On 3/12/2018 5:56 PM, richard kurlander wrote:
how do you turn off user account control?At 11:52 PM 3/11/2018, you wrote:
this is why I turn off user account control.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Joseph Lee" <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com><mailto:joseph.lee22590@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io><mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2018 9:45 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Error while updating to NVDA 2018.1 via the NVDA update utility.


Hi,
Yes, but this time, say "yes" when UAC (User Account Control) screen appears.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> <nvda@nvda.groups.io><mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Arianna Sepulveda
Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2018 6:44 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: [nvda] Error while updating to NVDA 2018.1 via the NVDA update utility.

Hello, All,


I just tried installing the NVDA 2018.1 update via the NVDA update utility, and got the following error. I'm not sure what is relevant, so I just coppied the entire output of the log viewer.

INFO - __main__ (18:37:12.331):
Starting NVDA
INFO - core.main (18:37:12.667):
Config dir: C:\Users\englishrider91\AppData\Roaming\nvda
INFO - config.ConfigManager._loadConfig (18:37:12.667):
Loading config: C:\Users\englishrider91\AppData\Roaming\nvda\nvda.ini
INFO - core.main (18:37:12.684):
NVDA version 2018.1
INFO - core.main (18:37:12.684):
Using Windows version 10.0.15063 workstation INFO - core.main (18:37:12.684):
Using Python version 2.7.14 (v2.7.14:84471935ed, Sep 16 2017,
20:19:30) [MSC v.1500 32 bit (Intel)]
INFO - core.main (18:37:12.684):
Using comtypes version 1.1.3
INFO - synthDriverHandler.setSynth (18:37:13.601):
Loaded synthDriver eloquence
INFO - core.main (18:37:13.601):
Using wx version 3.0.2.0 msw (classic)
INFO - brailleInput.initialize (18:37:13.601):
Braille input initialized
INFO - braille.initialize (18:37:13.601):
Using liblouis version 3.3.0
INFO - braille.BrailleHandler.setDisplayByName (18:37:13.601):
Loaded braille display driver noBraille, current display has 0 cells.
INFO - _UIAHandler.UIAHandler.MTAThreadFunc (18:37:13.753):
UIAutomation: IUIAutomation3
INFO - core.main (18:37:14.687):
NVDA initialized
ERROR - gui.installerGui.doInstall (18:37:46.061):
Failed to execute installer
Traceback (most recent call last):
File "gui\installerGui.pyo", line 32, in doInstall
File "config\__init__.pyo", line 192, in execElevated
File "shellapi.pyo", line 42, in ShellExecuteEx
WindowsError: [Error 1223] The operation was canceled by the user.
ERROR - gui.installerGui.doInstall (18:37:46.061):
Installation failed: [Error 1223] The operation was canceled by the user.

Should I try updating again?


Thanks,
Ari













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Re: Error while updating to NVDA 2018.1 via the NVDA update utility.

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Yes because for some reason only known to Microsoft this screen does not have any text that can be spoken by a screenreader. It would be nice if it made a sound so you knew it was there. If you are the only user, then having uac on seems completely pointless.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Dennis L" <dennisl1982@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, March 12, 2018 3:52 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Error while updating to NVDA 2018.1 via the NVDA update utility.


this is why I turn off user account control.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Joseph Lee" <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2018 9:45 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Error while updating to NVDA 2018.1 via the NVDA update utility.


Hi,
Yes, but this time, say "yes" when UAC (User Account Control) screen appears.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Arianna Sepulveda
Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2018 6:44 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Error while updating to NVDA 2018.1 via the NVDA update utility.

Hello, All,


I just tried installing the NVDA 2018.1 update via the NVDA update utility, and got the following error. I'm not sure what is relevant, so I just coppied the entire output of the log viewer.

INFO - __main__ (18:37:12.331):
Starting NVDA
INFO - core.main (18:37:12.667):
Config dir: C:\Users\englishrider91\AppData\Roaming\nvda
INFO - config.ConfigManager._loadConfig (18:37:12.667):
Loading config: C:\Users\englishrider91\AppData\Roaming\nvda\nvda.ini
INFO - core.main (18:37:12.684):
NVDA version 2018.1
INFO - core.main (18:37:12.684):
Using Windows version 10.0.15063 workstation INFO - core.main (18:37:12.684):
Using Python version 2.7.14 (v2.7.14:84471935ed, Sep 16 2017,
20:19:30) [MSC v.1500 32 bit (Intel)]
INFO - core.main (18:37:12.684):
Using comtypes version 1.1.3
INFO - synthDriverHandler.setSynth (18:37:13.601):
Loaded synthDriver eloquence
INFO - core.main (18:37:13.601):
Using wx version 3.0.2.0 msw (classic)
INFO - brailleInput.initialize (18:37:13.601):
Braille input initialized
INFO - braille.initialize (18:37:13.601):
Using liblouis version 3.3.0
INFO - braille.BrailleHandler.setDisplayByName (18:37:13.601):
Loaded braille display driver noBraille, current display has 0 cells.
INFO - _UIAHandler.UIAHandler.MTAThreadFunc (18:37:13.753):
UIAutomation: IUIAutomation3
INFO - core.main (18:37:14.687):
NVDA initialized
ERROR - gui.installerGui.doInstall (18:37:46.061):
Failed to execute installer
Traceback (most recent call last):
File "gui\installerGui.pyo", line 32, in doInstall
File "config\__init__.pyo", line 192, in execElevated
File "shellapi.pyo", line 42, in ShellExecuteEx
WindowsError: [Error 1223] The operation was canceled by the user.
ERROR - gui.installerGui.doInstall (18:37:46.061):
Installation failed: [Error 1223] The operation was canceled by the user.

Should I try updating again?


Thanks,
Ari
Re: Error while updating to NVDA 2018.1 via the NVDA update utility.

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It says it was cancelled by the user. I have not seen this before unless I cancelled it from the keyboard while it was loading in.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Arianna Sepulveda" <englishrider91@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, March 12, 2018 1:43 AM
Subject: [nvda] Error while updating to NVDA 2018.1 via the NVDA update utility.


Hello, All,


I just tried installing the NVDA 2018.1 update via the NVDA update
utility, and got the following error. I'm not sure what is relevant,
so I just coppied the entire output of the log viewer.

INFO - __main__ (18:37:12.331):
Starting NVDA
INFO - core.main (18:37:12.667):
Config dir: C:\Users\englishrider91\AppData\Roaming\nvda
INFO - config.ConfigManager._loadConfig (18:37:12.667):
Loading config: C:\Users\englishrider91\AppData\Roaming\nvda\nvda.ini
INFO - core.main (18:37:12.684):
NVDA version 2018.1
INFO - core.main (18:37:12.684):
Using Windows version 10.0.15063 workstation
INFO - core.main (18:37:12.684):
Using Python version 2.7.14 (v2.7.14:84471935ed, Sep 16 2017,
20:19:30) [MSC v.1500 32 bit (Intel)]
INFO - core.main (18:37:12.684):
Using comtypes version 1.1.3
INFO - synthDriverHandler.setSynth (18:37:13.601):
Loaded synthDriver eloquence
INFO - core.main (18:37:13.601):
Using wx version 3.0.2.0 msw (classic)
INFO - brailleInput.initialize (18:37:13.601):
Braille input initialized
INFO - braille.initialize (18:37:13.601):
Using liblouis version 3.3.0
INFO - braille.BrailleHandler.setDisplayByName (18:37:13.601):
Loaded braille display driver noBraille, current display has 0 cells.
INFO - _UIAHandler.UIAHandler.MTAThreadFunc (18:37:13.753):
UIAutomation: IUIAutomation3
INFO - core.main (18:37:14.687):
NVDA initialized
ERROR - gui.installerGui.doInstall (18:37:46.061):
Failed to execute installer
Traceback (most recent call last):
File "gui\installerGui.pyo", line 32, in doInstall
File "config\__init__.pyo", line 192, in execElevated
File "shellapi.pyo", line 42, in ShellExecuteEx
WindowsError: [Error 1223] The operation was canceled by the user.
ERROR - gui.installerGui.doInstall (18:37:46.061):
Installation failed: [Error 1223] The operation was canceled by the user.

Should I try updating again?


Thanks,
Ari
Re: Question about transferring espeak data between NVDA & Braillenote touch version

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Is this a sapi 5 version? I'd have thought the settings could be moved between them if you could figure out the storage places for both versions parameters.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Jessica D" <jldail13@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, March 12, 2018 12:52 AM
Subject: [nvda] Question about transferring espeak data between NVDA & Braillenote touch version


Hi,
Yesterday, I bought eSpeak for my Braillenote touch.
I’m really enjoying it, and its totally boosted my productivity.
I’m now using eSpeak with NVDA, and was wondering if it was possible to transfer my settings and other data between the 2 versions?

Thanks,
Jessica


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Re: Typing Echo Change with 2018.1

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No me neither, but as Joseph said, the other setting allows one to use one and does cause a lag.

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From: "Rosemarie Chavarria" <knitqueen2007@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, March 12, 2018 12:42 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Typing Echo Change with 2018.1


I don't have a braille display. Can't afford one.



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Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2018 1:31 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Typing Echo Change with 2018.1

Do all of you have Braille displays?
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From: "Gary" <ironmangary@gmail.com>
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Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2018 6:08 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Typing Echo Change with 2018.1


Ok, that's really odd. All of them were slow on the typing echo, including
2017.4, which is what I was running previously without issue. I'm confused
to how that could be possible. :/
Re: espeak and pronunciation of some words

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Those using 7 cannot do this.
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To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, March 12, 2018 12:28 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] espeak and pronunciation of some words


I've used the one-core voices and they're really great.



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Devin Prater
Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2018 5:14 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] espeak and pronunciation of some words

I agree, eSpeak needs lots of work, still. But the worst part of Open Source is that we all talk about it, but nothing gets done, we all wish, but never act, and there is only one person working on eSpeak. I know, we can't all program. But, with Windows 10, there are the OneCore voices, created by Microsoft which we can use, so we are no longer limited to eSpeak.

On 3/11/18, 7:05 PM, "nvda@nvda.groups.io on behalf of Rosemarie Chavarria" <nvda@nvda.groups.io on behalf of knitqueen2007@gmail.com> wrote:

I've noticed that about e-speak too. The word "for" when with other words soundlike "fer".



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dejan Ristic
Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2018 12:01 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] espeak and pronunciation of some words

Let me remind you of the word for, which, if followed by another word, seems to sound like fur.


For example: for the time being.


It is very interesting to here it pronounced quite correctly when it is
a stand alone word, as is the case in the first line of my message.


On 11/03/2018 07:54, Governor staten wrote:
> I'll try to describe this as best I can. Take the word "content". The
> stress in this word is wrong, or, very much off. This is the case with
> other words too. Nazarene should sound like Nazareen. I'm sure there
> are other words like this I, and others, could think of.
>
>
> Any word with the letter "o" is likely to have the stress wrong.
> Monster is another example. This could just be me. Does anyone else
> hear what I'm hearing?
>
>
>
>
> .
>
Re: espeak and pronunciation of some words

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Not sure about that, I'm on their email list and there are several people on there doing pull requests and updates.

I think at the moment they are trying to tidy up the code so all of the changes can be seen easeir and possible make it easier to tweak later on.
its not bad, but I think wheras previously uk english was the main language, now people are attempting to make the us English work and some of the changes sound odd in uk english. The slurring that is normal for us is not pleasent in the uk

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Sent: Monday, March 12, 2018 12:13 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] espeak and pronunciation of some words


I agree, eSpeak needs lots of work, still. But the worst part of Open Source is that we all talk about it, but nothing gets done, we all wish, but never act, and there is only one person working on eSpeak. I know, we can't all program. But, with Windows 10, there are the OneCore voices, created by Microsoft which we can use, so we are no longer limited to eSpeak.

On 3/11/18, 7:05 PM, "nvda@nvda.groups.io on behalf of Rosemarie Chavarria" <nvda@nvda.groups.io on behalf of knitqueen2007@gmail.com> wrote:

I've noticed that about e-speak too. The word "for" when with other words soundlike "fer".



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dejan Ristic
Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2018 12:01 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] espeak and pronunciation of some words

Let me remind you of the word for, which, if followed by another word, seems to sound like fur.


For example: for the time being.


It is very interesting to here it pronounced quite correctly when it is
a stand alone word, as is the case in the first line of my message.


On 11/03/2018 07:54, Governor staten wrote:
> I'll try to describe this as best I can. Take the word "content". The
> stress in this word is wrong, or, very much off. This is the case
with
> other words too. Nazarene should sound like Nazareen. I'm sure there
> are other words like this I, and others, could think of.
>
>
> Any word with the letter "o" is likely to have the stress wrong.
> Monster is another example. This could just be me. Does anyone else
> hear what I'm hearing?
>
>
>
>
> .
>
Re: espeak and pronunciation of some words

Ian Blackburn
 

Certainly has deteriorated in its pronunciation

On 12 Mar 2018, at 5:22 pm, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io <bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io> wrote:

Actually the original Espeak did a fine job. Too much tweaking recently has broken things that were good compromises before.
I certainly cannot stand Eloquence, I'd rather listen to a voice based on George W Bush than that!
However, as I say synths are intensely personal things.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Adriani Botez" <adriani.botez@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2018 7:15 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] espeak and pronunciation of some words


Dear all,


I think eSpeak has to be adjusted from scratch. It is very hard to get to a point where every word is being pronounced correctly. This is a matter of accent and phonemes which are very limited in eSpeak development.

If we begin to assess every word in eSpeak, we will find thousants and thousants of words which are mispronounced. Don't forget eSpeak supports more than 50 languages. So, developing this synthesizer word by word is not a long term solution.

So, in my view, if another speech synthesizer becomes free (i.e. eloquence or vocalizer), every user will change to it unless eSpeak is being vastly improved from scratch.


Best
Adriani


-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Im Auftrag von Dejan
Ristic
Gesendet: Sonntag, 11. März 2018 20:01
An: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Betreff: Re: [nvda] espeak and pronunciation of some words

Let me remind you of the word for, which, if followed by another word, seems
to sound like fur.


For example: for the time being.


It is very interesting to here it pronounced quite correctly when it is
a stand alone word, as is the case in the first line of my message.


On 11/03/2018 07:54, Governor staten wrote:
I'll try to describe this as best I can. Take the word "content". The
stress in this word is wrong, or, very much off. This is the case with
other words too. Nazarene should sound like Nazareen. I'm sure there
are other words like this I, and others, could think of.


Any word with the letter "o" is likely to have the stress wrong.
Monster is another example. This could just be me. Does anyone else
hear what I'm hearing?




.
Re: espeak and pronunciation of some words

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

Actually the original Espeak did a fine job. Too much tweaking recently has broken things that were good compromises before.
I certainly cannot stand Eloquence, I'd rather listen to a voice based on George W Bush than that!
However, as I say synths are intensely personal things.
Brian

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Sent via blueyonder.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Adriani Botez" <adriani.botez@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2018 7:15 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] espeak and pronunciation of some words


Dear all,


I think eSpeak has to be adjusted from scratch. It is very hard to get to a point where every word is being pronounced correctly. This is a matter of accent and phonemes which are very limited in eSpeak development.

If we begin to assess every word in eSpeak, we will find thousants and thousants of words which are mispronounced. Don't forget eSpeak supports more than 50 languages. So, developing this synthesizer word by word is not a long term solution.

So, in my view, if another speech synthesizer becomes free (i.e. eloquence or vocalizer), every user will change to it unless eSpeak is being vastly improved from scratch.


Best
Adriani


-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Im Auftrag von Dejan
Ristic
Gesendet: Sonntag, 11. März 2018 20:01
An: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Betreff: Re: [nvda] espeak and pronunciation of some words

Let me remind you of the word for, which, if followed by another word, seems
to sound like fur.


For example: for the time being.


It is very interesting to here it pronounced quite correctly when it is
a stand alone word, as is the case in the first line of my message.


On 11/03/2018 07:54, Governor staten wrote:
I'll try to describe this as best I can. Take the word "content". The
stress in this word is wrong, or, very much off. This is the case with
other words too. Nazarene should sound like Nazareen. I'm sure there
are other words like this I, and others, could think of.


Any word with the letter "o" is likely to have the stress wrong.
Monster is another example. This could just be me. Does anyone else
hear what I'm hearing?




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