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Re: Insert F10 not speaking in NVDA 2017.4

Cearbhall O'Meadhra
 

Thanks everyone for the quick response. I tried it again and it performed correctly this time! Whatever blockage caused the problem suddenly went away before I could find the cause.

 

All the best,

 

Cearbhall

 

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Chris Mullins
Sent: Friday, December 8, 2017 5:01 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Insert F10 not speaking in NVDA 2017.4

 

Hi Cearbhall

I’m on 17.4, W10 1703 and it works fine.  NVDA+f9 says “start marked”, NVDA+f10 once speaks the selected text followed by “selected” and NVDA+f10 twice says “Review selection copied to clipboard”.

 

Cheers

Chris

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Cearbhall O'Meadhra
Sent: 8 December 2017 15:43
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Insert F10 not speaking in NVDA 2017.4

 

Hi,

 

I am using NVDA 2017.4 on Windows 10

When I mark the start of a block of text with Insert+F9 NVDA announces the action perfectly. However, when I press insert+F10 to identify the end of the block NVDA does not speak anything. Likewise, when I press Insert + F10 twice it does not report that the text is copied to the clipboard.

 

While the action is not spoken it does actually complete the copying action.

 

Has anyone else found this to be the case?

 

All the best,

 

Cearbhall

 

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Re: Gene - Selecting and copying or cutting files and pasting to different folder

Nancy Shackelford
 

I thought I had the wrong commands to do that. Sorry bout that!  My problem is, it’s apparently not selecting, so won’t copy or cut and paste.

 

Nance

 

Nancy Shackelford --Walk On Faith And Trust In Love = Michael Reid--

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2017 4:40 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Gene - Selecting and copying or cutting files and pasting to different folder

 

In future, please state the problem and what you want to know.  Your question asked how to select.  I answered the question.  Since you already knew these things, I didn't have to answer it and only now was your question phrased in a way that may answer it. 

 

If you had said that you know how to select and it usually works but not when you are trying to select, copy and paste in this one instance, you would have stated the problem and not asked how to do something you already know.  You evidently assumed that you couldn't copy and paste because you were doing something wrong even though what you were doing had worked reliably in the past.  There is no reason to make such an assumption.

 

Try the following:

Unload and then run your screen-reader again.  Such problems can be solved some of the time by doing that.  If that doesn't work, try rebooting.  If that doesn't work, then I don't know what the problem is precisely but it may be that something has become corrupted in Windows.  Someone else may have more solutions if that has happened.  Doing a system restore might be the next thing to try, restoring to a time when you didn't have this problem.

 

Gene

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Subject: [nvda] Gene - Selecting and copying or cutting files and pasting to different folder

 

That’s exactly what I thought, but they aren’t being selected, and they won’t paste into my other folder. What could be wrong?

 

Thanks,

 

Nance

 

Nancy Shackelford --Walk On Faith And Trust In Love = Michael Reid--

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2017 3:40 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Selecting and copying or cutting files and pasting to different folder

 

That isn't correct.  Perhaps you meant shift instead of control.  That is one way to select files which I'll discuss.  There are many others.

 

If you are on a filename and it isn't selected you can press the space bar to select that one file.  Also, up and down arrowing in a list of folders and/or files will select the one you move to and the selection will change to whatever file you have moved to last. 

To select folders and/or files that are next to each other, use shift up or down arrow.  If you want to select six files in the folder immediately below the first filename, move to the first item you want to select, press the shift key, and start down arrowing until you have moved to the last file you want to select.  Then release shift and they will all be selected.

To select items that are not next to each other or items where some are and some aren't, use this procedure:

Move to the first file or folder you want to select.  Hold control.  The file you are on is already selected.  Down arrow, holding control until you get to the next thing you want to select.  At that point, keep holding control and press the space bar to select that item.  Now two items are selected.  NVDA will announce that the item is selected when you select it in this way.  Continue to down arrow, never releasing control during this entire procedure to the next item you want to select and select it in the same way.  Follow this procedure until you have selected everything you want. 

 

If you want to select everything in a list, use the command control a.  It's the fastest way.  It works on both files and folders.  it also selects all the text in a document.  it is the select all command.

 

After you select whatever you want, use control c to copy the items to the clipboard.  Or control x cuts everything to the clipboard.

Move to where you want to paste the items and use the command control v.

Gene

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Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2017 3:23 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Selecting and copying or cutting files and pasting to different folder

 

In windows use control up or down arrow to select then control c to copy or control x to cut. Open the new folder and use control v to paste.  If you’re on a mac I have no idea, sorry.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Nancy Shackelford
Sent: Saturday, December 9, 2017 1:20 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Selecting and copying or cutting files and pasting to different folder

 

I cannot find this in the commands. How do I select and move files from one folder to another? Any help is appreciated.

 

Thanks in advance,

 

Nance

 

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Re: Gene - Selecting and copying or cutting files and pasting to different folder

Gene
 

In future, please state the problem and what you want to know.  Your question asked how to select.  I answered the question.  Since you already knew these things, I didn't have to answer it and only now was your question phrased in a way that may answer it. 
 
If you had said that you know how to select and it usually works but not when you are trying to select, copy and paste in this one instance, you would have stated the problem and not asked how to do something you already know.  You evidently assumed that you couldn't copy and paste because you were doing something wrong even though what you were doing had worked reliably in the past.  There is no reason to make such an assumption.
 
Try the following:
Unload and then run your screen-reader again.  Such problems can be solved some of the time by doing that.  If that doesn't work, try rebooting.  If that doesn't work, then I don't know what the problem is precisely but it may be that something has become corrupted in Windows.  Someone else may have more solutions if that has happened.  Doing a system restore might be the next thing to try, restoring to a time when you didn't have this problem.
 
Gene

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Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2017 4:12 AM
Subject: [nvda] Gene - Selecting and copying or cutting files and pasting to different folder

That’s exactly what I thought, but they aren’t being selected, and they won’t paste into my other folder. What could be wrong?

 

Thanks,

 

Nance

 

Nancy Shackelford --Walk On Faith And Trust In Love = Michael Reid--

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2017 3:40 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Selecting and copying or cutting files and pasting to different folder

 

That isn't correct.  Perhaps you meant shift instead of control.  That is one way to select files which I'll discuss.  There are many others.

 

If you are on a filename and it isn't selected you can press the space bar to select that one file.  Also, up and down arrowing in a list of folders and/or files will select the one you move to and the selection will change to whatever file you have moved to last. 

To select folders and/or files that are next to each other, use shift up or down arrow.  If you want to select six files in the folder immediately below the first filename, move to the first item you want to select, press the shift key, and start down arrowing until you have moved to the last file you want to select.  Then release shift and they will all be selected.

To select items that are not next to each other or items where some are and some aren't, use this procedure:

Move to the first file or folder you want to select.  Hold control.  The file you are on is already selected.  Down arrow, holding control until you get to the next thing you want to select.  At that point, keep holding control and press the space bar to select that item.  Now two items are selected.  NVDA will announce that the item is selected when you select it in this way.  Continue to down arrow, never releasing control during this entire procedure to the next item you want to select and select it in the same way.  Follow this procedure until you have selected everything you want. 

 

If you want to select everything in a list, use the command control a.  It's the fastest way.  It works on both files and folders.  it also selects all the text in a document.  it is the select all command.

 

After you select whatever you want, use control c to copy the items to the clipboard.  Or control x cuts everything to the clipboard.

Move to where you want to paste the items and use the command control v.

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Rayn Darren

Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2017 3:23 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Selecting and copying or cutting files and pasting to different folder

 

In windows use control up or down arrow to select then control c to copy or control x to cut. Open the new folder and use control v to paste.  If you’re on a mac I have no idea, sorry.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Nancy Shackelford
Sent: Saturday, December 9, 2017 1:20 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Selecting and copying or cutting files and pasting to different folder

 

I cannot find this in the commands. How do I select and move files from one folder to another? Any help is appreciated.

 

Thanks in advance,

 

Nance

 

Nancy Shackelford --Walk On Faith And Trust In Love = Michael Reid--

 

 

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Gene - Selecting and copying or cutting files and pasting to different folder

Nancy Shackelford
 

That’s exactly what I thought, but they aren’t being selected, and they won’t paste into my other folder. What could be wrong?

 

Thanks,

 

Nance

 

Nancy Shackelford --Walk On Faith And Trust In Love = Michael Reid--

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2017 3:40 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Selecting and copying or cutting files and pasting to different folder

 

That isn't correct.  Perhaps you meant shift instead of control.  That is one way to select files which I'll discuss.  There are many others.

 

If you are on a filename and it isn't selected you can press the space bar to select that one file.  Also, up and down arrowing in a list of folders and/or files will select the one you move to and the selection will change to whatever file you have moved to last. 

To select folders and/or files that are next to each other, use shift up or down arrow.  If you want to select six files in the folder immediately below the first filename, move to the first item you want to select, press the shift key, and start down arrowing until you have moved to the last file you want to select.  Then release shift and they will all be selected.

To select items that are not next to each other or items where some are and some aren't, use this procedure:

Move to the first file or folder you want to select.  Hold control.  The file you are on is already selected.  Down arrow, holding control until you get to the next thing you want to select.  At that point, keep holding control and press the space bar to select that item.  Now two items are selected.  NVDA will announce that the item is selected when you select it in this way.  Continue to down arrow, never releasing control during this entire procedure to the next item you want to select and select it in the same way.  Follow this procedure until you have selected everything you want. 

 

If you want to select everything in a list, use the command control a.  It's the fastest way.  It works on both files and folders.  it also selects all the text in a document.  it is the select all command.

 

After you select whatever you want, use control c to copy the items to the clipboard.  Or control x cuts everything to the clipboard.

Move to where you want to paste the items and use the command control v.

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2017 3:23 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Selecting and copying or cutting files and pasting to different folder

 

In windows use control up or down arrow to select then control c to copy or control x to cut. Open the new folder and use control v to paste.  If you’re on a mac I have no idea, sorry.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Nancy Shackelford
Sent: Saturday, December 9, 2017 1:20 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Selecting and copying or cutting files and pasting to different folder

 

I cannot find this in the commands. How do I select and move files from one folder to another? Any help is appreciated.

 

Thanks in advance,

 

Nance

 

Nancy Shackelford --Walk On Faith And Trust In Love = Michael Reid--

 

 

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Re: a link that won't activate

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What does nvda/keypad enter say?
Brian

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Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2017 12:50 AM
Subject: [nvda] a link that won't activate


I would send you to this website, but it is a wine ordering site, and the link in question is my shopping cart, so I guess there isn't much point. After I fill my care, I can search using the nvda shift f combo and find the word cart. It shows how many items are in the cart and is even identified as a link, although I can't tab to this link at all. If I press enter, I go nowhere. I can find and identify the cart link as a link with object nav, and I have mouse tracking on. If I try a single or double left simulated mouse click using the number pad, which nvda identifies when I press it as a left click, nothing happens. This is all happening in Firefox esr. Has anybody seen a link like this, and what can I do about it?


Mary


Re: a link that won't activate

Gene
 

How many machines did you test this on?  I just about never use Internet Explorer and I don't have the latest version.  But I was able to follow result links with IE8.  Also, the one link I followed appeared to open in a new Window.  If links don't open, one thing that should be tried that wasn't mentioned is to use shift enter.  If a link opens a new tab or window, a popup blocker may not allow it.  Shift enter is a command that whatever popup blocker you use, including the built-in ones in browsers, may allow that popup blocker to let the tab or window open.

Gene

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Subject: Re: [nvda] a link that won't activate

The opposite is also true. try  startpage.com in ie and see if you can click
a result. Brian

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Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2017 7:20 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] a link that won't activate



If a link is not working with enter I try the following
1. Press space instead of enter.
2. Most reliably Press Insert F7 to bring up Elements List  and activate the
link from there. This works most times.
3. If this does  not work I press F6 until I am in the address bar and copy
the page address and then load it in Internet explorer.
4. IE is not a great browser to use nowadays but I have several times found
that links that do not work under Firefox or Waterfox will suddenly activate
when I load  the same page in IE.  The GiftGab Mobile Phone top up page in
the UK is a case in point where several check out buttons do not respond
with firefox or Chrome but will in IE for some reason.
5. So far those methods have worked for me with difficult links, but if they
did not I would further try the link using Narator in Edge.
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From: Mary Otten
Sent: 09 December 2017 00:50
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] a link that won't activate

I would send you to this website, but it is a wine ordering site, and
the link in question is my shopping cart, so I guess there isn't much
point. After I fill my care, I can search using the nvda shift f combo
and find the word cart. It shows how many items are in the cart and is
even identified as a link, although I can't tab to this link at all. If
I press enter, I go nowhere. I can find and identify the cart link as a
link with object nav, and I have mouse tracking on. If I try a single or
double left simulated mouse click using the number pad, which nvda
identifies when I press it as a left click, nothing happens. This is all
happening in Firefox esr. Has anybody seen a link like this, and what
can I do about it?


Mary








Re: Can NVDA 2017.4 run on Windows IOT?

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Well that presumably depends where windows is running. From what Joseph said it sounds like these are really stripped down systems with a lot of the guts in the cloud, so I'd expect the answer would be not likely!
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Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2017 2:41 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Can NVDA 2017.4 run on Windows IOT?


Brian,

Windows for IOT is a variant of windows used on imbedded devices.

Pranav

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Since I've no idea what it is, perhaps you could tell us?
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Subject: [nvda] Can NVDA 2017.4 run on Windows IOT?


Hi all,

Given that NVDA now supports arm 64 windows, can it run on Windows IOT
running on a raspberry pi 3?

Pranav







Re: updates problem

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Are these updates for windows itself or for Office?
I found that I had office 2007 on one machine and several updates failed. In the end after looking at the Microsoft site I saw that it needed me to install a service pack for office. Now why it could not have deduced this and downloaded the service pack then installed the updates is anyone's guess.
Also, if you have, say word 2003, there are constant updates that do not install,. I have the file formats conversion pack to allow the docx files to go into the old version of word. it too says it needs the service pack for 2007 on that machine but when you attempt to install it for the file format conversion software, it says no product to update so I've just told it to hide the updates as otherwise it will keep on attempting to install them for ever.
I guess I'm saying that Windows update can sometimes be pretty thick!
Of course if its not office updates then its going to be some other cause.
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Subject: Re: [nvda] updates problem


Hi gene

I wonder if you can help me. I got from Microsoft the monthly updates and evrytime I try to do the update and restart, or update and shutdown, the updates remain there.

That means that it is not doing the updates because they are got stucked.

Is there a way how to make it doing the updates please?

I have windows 10, and office 2013.

Thanks in advance

Anthony



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 09 December 2017 06:23
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: updates problem



I remembered doing a short article on switching to NVDA from Window-eyes. I didn't remember what I said in it and I didn't realize I was commenting on that article. It's amusing that I commented on my own article without knowing it. Of course I agreed with it and the way it was done. Now I know why it was written in a way I would have written it.



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Subject: Re: [nvda] screen review commands not working for me



Hi



I found the tutorial you are talking about it is written by the other Gene and can be found off the https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda-community/wiki/Switching-from-Window-Eyes-to-NVDA



the page it linked to was this one at https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda-community/wiki/Guides
I think they were under the wicki section.

Look in the user manual for reviewing text it is section 5.5 i think it is. Just under that section also says about some of the other modes.

What is said in this mode is what can be used in screen review mode and or with object navigation.

this type of commands is good say for reviewing menus etc either word by word or letter by letter.

I could give you examples of where they could be used this would be for review text which can be used with screen review when it is used.

Gene nz

On 12/9/2017 11:43 AM, Brice Mijares wrote:

Here's that brief tutorial. and I don't remember where I got it.
Here are the screen-reader commands you will need to know to allow you to do a lot of what you did before with Window-Eyes:
To unload NVDA, insert q then enter.
Read title bar, insert t.
Time, insert f12.
Announce formatting information, insert f.
Read current Window, insert b. In Window-eyes the command is control shift w.
Read to end, insert down arrow. Use the down arrow on the main keyboard. In the laptop layout, read to end is NVDA key a.
Stop speech with control, as with screen-readers in general.
Screen review
I'm about to discuss screen-review commands. those let you review the screen without changing the position of the cursor when editing a document, or changing where you are in a dialog or anywhere else. But first, I'll point out that Commands such as left arrow, right arrow, control home, control end, control left arrow, and control right arrow are Windows movement commands for moving in any standard edit field including word processor edit fields. None of them will change.
Screen review commands
Note the pattern as I give these commands:
Read previous line, numpad 7.
Read current line, numpad 8.
Read next line, numpad nine.
You move in screen review to the previous or next line when you issue those commands. You can keep moving and reading until you get to the top or bottom of the screen.
Read previous word, numpad 4.
Read current word, numpad 5.
Read next word, numpad 6.
Read previous character, numpad 1.
Read current character, numpad 2.
Read next character, numpad 3.
Note the pattern:
Read current is the key in the middle of each of these rows.
Move to and read previous is the key on the left.
Move to and read next is the key to the right.
The lower the numbers, the smaller the movement unit. 1 2 and 3 move by character.

4 5 and 6 move by word, etc.
Now, here are the laptop layout review commands:
Read current line, NVDA shift period
Move to and read next line, NVDA down arrow.
Move to and read previous line, NVDA up arrow.
Read current word, NVDA control period
Read previous word, NVDA control left arrow
Read next word, NVDA control right arrow
Announce current character, NVDA period.
Move to and read previous character, NVDA left arrow
Move to and read next character, NVDA right arrow.
After a little more discussion, I'll tell you how to change the keyboard layout to laptop.
Getting back to the review keys in the laptop layout, There are sort of patterns in the laptop layout but not the kind of uniform pattern as in the desktop layout. If I had a laptop computer without a numpad, I'd buy a USB numpad and not fool around with the laptop layout. But you can decide that for yourself. But aside from predictable keys such as that period is used for current, and that left and right arrows are used with modifiers, you can't generalize more. Such patterns are not followed in every previous and next item. In one of the previous and next items, up and down arrow is used.
More review commands and review modes
Here are two more important commands:
Jump to top of window, shift numpad 7. Laptop layout command: control NVDA key home.
Jump to bottom of window, shift numpad 9. Laptop layout command: Control NVDA key end.
I've said top and bottom of Window but that's oversimplified. It depends what kind of review mode you are using. I won't go into that to any extent in this very short tutorial.
A brief introduction to review modes
If you are reviewing material in a word processor, use the review commands I've given. If you are in a dialog or some other structures, in order to see what is on screen, change to screen review mode. to do this, use the command numpad insert numpad 7 in the desktop layout. In the laptop layout, the command is NVDA key page up. Issue the command and repeat it if necessary until you hear screen review. Then you can use the review commands such as numpad 7, 8 9, etc. to review what is on screen.
After you have finished working in screen review, it is very important to return to object review. Issue the command numpad insert numpad one in the desktop layout. the laptop layout command is NVDA Key page down. Repeat the command if necessary until you hear object review. If you don't do this, you will often hear incorrect information about where you are when you do various things in NVDA.
Changing keyboard layout
I shall now explain how to change the layout from the desktop to the laptop layout and discuss causing the caps lock to be used as an NVDA key. If you add capslock, you can still use either insert; there are times when caps lock is very convenient.
to open keyboard settings, issue the command control insert k. You are now in a list of layouts. the desktop is the default and the first in the list. If you want to switch to the laptop layout, down arrow once and then tab to and activate the ok button.
As you tab, you will notice check boxes about which keys serve as the NVDA key. Caps lock is not checked. Check it with the space bar. You can stay in the desk top layout and still tab and see these check boxes.
I use the caps lock key as an NVDA key often and I use the desktop layout. I find it much more convenient to use for the read to end command. I hold caps lock and press down arrow. That is, to me, much more convenient than using insert down arrow, regardless of which insert I use.
If you want to toggle caps lock on and off for typing, press it twice quickly. If you press it once and hold it, it serves as an NVDA key. If you press it twice quickly, it toggles caps lock on and off.
Mouse commands and review modes
To left click with the mouse, route the mouse to the review position with the command numpad insert numpad slash. That is the same command you left click wwith in Window-eyes. If you want to right click, route the mouse with the same command (numpad insert numpad slash), then use numpad star, the key immediately to the right of numpad slash. In other words, you right click with the same key you use in Window-eyes.
Screen review, though the commands are different, is similar in concept to using the mouse pointer in Window-eyes. Object navigation is different from any review mode in Window-eyes. I won't teach its use here but you will find a discussion of it in a tutorial I will give an address for later in this tutorial. Depending on how you use your computer, you may find it very useful.
That is just about all I will teach in this very short tutorial about screen review and mouse. As I said, its purpose is to allow you to do much of what you do with Window-eyes quickly and easily. But I'll tell you a few more things.
Internet browsing:
When you are on a web page, quick navigation commands are almost identical whether you are using NVDA or Window-eyes:
Move by headings is h.
Skip blocks of links is n.
Move to next button is b.
Next combo box is c.
Next check box is x.
Input help mode
NVDA has an input help mode which is similar to what is in Window-eyes. Insert and 1 on the main keyboard turns it on. When you press a key or combination of keys that might be a command, you will hear what the keys are and what, if any command they execute. This varies depending on where you are.
When in a browser that supports browse mode, typing a lot of individual letters will give you information about what the keys do in browse mode. I already gave much of that information above but you may want to press a lot of keys using input mode in a browser. To turn input mode off use the same command you used to turn it on, insert 1.
Additional information
To learn more about NVDA, a popular tutorial is available at:
http://www.josephsl.net/tutorials
On that page, you will see links to download different sections of the tutorial dealing with different subjects. You can also download the entire tutorial as a zip file.
There is also an e-mail list for NVDA users. To join, send a blank message to this address:
nvda+subscribe@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda+subscribe@nvda.groups.io>
I hope that this tutorial has removed much of your apprehension about switching to NVDA. Now, as you wish or need, you may consult the tutorial I gave a link to. NVDA is a powerful screen-reader and it will meet a lot of users needs as well as JAWS or Window-eyes does. I hope this very short tutorial gives you a good foundation on which to build confidence that the transition should be much easier than you may have thought and that it will help make it much more enjoyable.

On 12/8/2017 1:10 PM, Gene New Zealand wrote:



Hi


It did not really make it clear what he was trying to do and in what program. I have not listened to all of his tutorials or the series ehe had done by Joseph.


I guess i will wait and see which program it is then see what he is doing wrong if he tells me.


Gene nz



On 12/9/2017 9:38 AM, Gene wrote:



you must be in object navigation mode for these commands to work as described in the section of the tutorial being worked with
Gene
*From:* Gene New Zealand <mailto:hurrikennyandopo@...> <mailto:hurrikennyandopo@...>
*Sent:* Friday, December 08, 2017 2:19 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] screen review commands not working for me

Hi


could i ask in what program are you trying to do it in?


On a desktop computer to go into screen review is the nvda key + 7 on the numeric keypad.



The commands given are review text or text review commands you can use with screen review.


Depending what you are trying to do you may need to route the mouse to that position? or activate a button with a object navigation command.


Make sure also your num lock key is turned off.


the other thing to is on the numeric keypad we can use screen review press the nvda key + 7 to go into that mode.

Using the nvda key + 1 on the numeric keypad will take you down the modes like document review I think it is called and object navigation.

the document review mode may only show in some applications. if it can.


using the nvda key + 7 will take you back through the modes if there this may change in each application to what it reveals.


Gene nz


On 12/9/2017 8:20 AM, Brice Mijares wrote:



When I hit numpad 8 to read current line, it reads a completely different line. Same with previous line, word or character ETC. The tutorial was called getting started with NVDA.

On 12/8/2017 10:50 AM, Gene wrote:



What do you mean when you say they don't work? Assuming the commands are doing something, what are they doing?
Gene
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*Subject:* [nvda] screen review commands not working for me

I've been trying to follow the following directions, but these
directions are not working for me. I made sure I was in desktop layout.
It was a brief tutorial by Joseph Lee and I had copied it to wordpad and
was trying to use the numpad keys to read it.

Screen review commands
Note the pattern as I give these commands:
Read previous line, numpad 7.
Read current line, numpad 8.
Read next line, numpad nine.
You move in screen review to the previous or next line when you issue
those commands. You can keep moving and reading until you get to the top
or bottom of the screen.
Read previous word, numpad 4.
Read current word, numpad 5.
Read next word, numpad 6.
Read previous character, numpad 1.
Read current character, numpad 2.
Read next character, numpad 3.
Note the pattern:

Thanks for any suggestions.









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Re: a link that won't activate

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

The opposite is also true. try startpage.com in ie and see if you can click a result. Brian

bglists@...
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal email to:-
briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.

----- Original Message -----
From: "David Griffith" <daj.griffith@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2017 7:20 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] a link that won't activate



If a link is not working with enter I try the following
1. Press space instead of enter.
2. Most reliably Press Insert F7 to bring up Elements List and activate the link from there. This works most times.
3. If this does not work I press F6 until I am in the address bar and copy the page address and then load it in Internet explorer.
4. IE is not a great browser to use nowadays but I have several times found that links that do not work under Firefox or Waterfox will suddenly activate when I load the same page in IE. The GiftGab Mobile Phone top up page in the UK is a case in point where several check out buttons do not respond with firefox or Chrome but will in IE for some reason.
5. So far those methods have worked for me with difficult links, but if they did not I would further try the link using Narator in Edge.
My Blind Access and Guide dog Blog
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https://www.westhamtillidie.com/authors/blind-hammer/posts

From: Mary Otten
Sent: 09 December 2017 00:50
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] a link that won't activate

I would send you to this website, but it is a wine ordering site, and
the link in question is my shopping cart, so I guess there isn't much
point. After I fill my care, I can search using the nvda shift f combo
and find the word cart. It shows how many items are in the cart and is
even identified as a link, although I can't tab to this link at all. If
I press enter, I go nowhere. I can find and identify the cart link as a
link with object nav, and I have mouse tracking on. If I try a single or
double left simulated mouse click using the number pad, which nvda
identifies when I press it as a left click, nothing happens. This is all
happening in Firefox esr. Has anybody seen a link like this, and what
can I do about it?


Mary

Re: Selecting and copying or cutting files and pasting to different folder

Gene
 

That isn't correct.  Perhaps you meant shift instead of control.  That is one way to select files which I'll discuss.  There are many others.
 
If you are on a filename and it isn't selected you can press the space bar to select that one file.  Also, up and down arrowing in a list of folders and/or files will select the one you move to and the selection will change to whatever file you have moved to last. 
To select folders and/or files that are next to each other, use shift up or down arrow.  If you want to select six files in the folder immediately below the first filename, move to the first item you want to select, press the shift key, and start down arrowing until you have moved to the last file you want to select.  Then release shift and they will all be selected.
To select items that are not next to each other or items where some are and some aren't, use this procedure:
Move to the first file or folder you want to select.  Hold control.  The file you are on is already selected.  Down arrow, holding control until you get to the next thing you want to select.  At that point, keep holding control and press the space bar to select that item.  Now two items are selected.  NVDA will announce that the item is selected when you select it in this way.  Continue to down arrow, never releasing control during this entire procedure to the next item you want to select and select it in the same way.  Follow this procedure until you have selected everything you want. 
 
If you want to select everything in a list, use the command control a.  It's the fastest way.  It works on both files and folders.  it also selects all the text in a document.  it is the select all command.
 
After you select whatever you want, use control c to copy the items to the clipboard.  Or control x cuts everything to the clipboard.
Move to where you want to paste the items and use the command control v.

Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2017 3:23 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Selecting and copying or cutting files and pasting to different folder

In windows use control up or down arrow to select then control c to copy or control x to cut. Open the new folder and use control v to paste.  If you’re on a mac I have no idea, sorry.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Nancy Shackelford
Sent: Saturday, December 9, 2017 1:20 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Selecting and copying or cutting files and pasting to different folder

 

I cannot find this in the commands. How do I select and move files from one folder to another? Any help is appreciated.

 

Thanks in advance,

 

Nance

 

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Re: Selecting and copying or cutting files and pasting to different folder

Rayn Darren
 

In windows use control up or down arrow to select then control c to copy or control x to cut. Open the new folder and use control v to paste.  If you’re on a mac I have no idea, sorry.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Nancy Shackelford
Sent: Saturday, December 9, 2017 1:20 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Selecting and copying or cutting files and pasting to different folder

 

I cannot find this in the commands. How do I select and move files from one folder to another? Any help is appreciated.

 

Thanks in advance,

 

Nance

 

Nancy Shackelford --Walk On Faith And Trust In Love = Michael Reid--

 


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Selecting and copying or cutting files and pasting to different folder

Nancy Shackelford
 

I cannot find this in the commands. How do I select and move files from one folder to another? Any help is appreciated.

 

Thanks in advance,

 

Nance

 

Nancy Shackelford --Walk On Faith And Trust In Love = Michael Reid--

 

Re: Be careful to Mandarin Espeak

Robert Mendoza
 

just curious how to get the updated eSpeak you mentioned?

Robert Mendoza

On 12/9/2017 4:45 PM, 特種兵 wrote:
hi,

  this question will be fix on espeak 1.49.3.



Marco Oros 於 2017/12/7 上午 06:08 寫道:
OK, bug is discovered, I think It is misstake of Espeak NG.
There are two voices classified, as Mandarin Chinese. One is incorrect and countains bugs. Two voices labelled, as Mandarin Chinese in direction with chinese voices.



Re: updates problem

Gene
 

I've seen this discussed before but I don't recall enough about the topic to advise you.  It isn't a good idea to name one person when asking a question that many list members may have knowledge about.  People may not read the message when they see it is addressed to one person.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2017 12:38 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] updates problem

Hi gene

I wonder if you can help me. I got from Microsoft the monthly updates and evrytime I try to do the update and restart, or update and shutdown, the updates remain there.

That means that it is not doing the updates because they are got stucked.

Is there a way how to make it doing the updates please?

I have windows 10, and office 2013.

Thanks in advance

Anthony  

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 09 December 2017 06:23
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: updates problem

 

I remembered doing a short article on switching to NVDA from Window-eyes.  I didn't remember what I said in it and I didn't realize I was commenting on that article.  It's amusing that I commented on my own article without knowing it.  Of course I agreed with it and the way it was done.  Now I know why it was written in a way I would have written it.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Friday, December 08, 2017 10:43 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] screen review commands not working for me

 

Hi

 

I found the tutorial you are talking about it is written by the other Gene and can be found off the https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda-community/wiki/Switching-from-Window-Eyes-to-NVDA

 

the page it linked to was this one at https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda-community/wiki/Guides
I think they were under the wicki section.

Look in the user manual for reviewing text it is section 5.5 i think it is. Just under that section also says about some of the other modes.

What is said in this mode is what can be used in screen review mode and or with object navigation.

this type of commands is good say for reviewing menus etc either word by word or letter by letter.

I could give you examples of where they could be used this would be for review text which can be used with screen review when it is used.

Gene nz

On 12/9/2017 11:43 AM, Brice Mijares wrote:

Here's that brief tutorial. and I don't remember where I got it.
Here are the screen-reader commands you will need to know to allow you to do a lot of what you did before with Window-Eyes:
To unload NVDA, insert q then enter.
Read title bar, insert t.
Time, insert f12.
Announce formatting information, insert f.
Read current Window, insert b. In Window-eyes the command is control shift w.
Read to end, insert down arrow. Use the down arrow on the main keyboard. In the laptop layout, read to end is NVDA key a.
Stop speech with control, as with screen-readers in general.
Screen review
I'm about to discuss screen-review commands. those let you review the screen without changing the position of the cursor when editing a document, or changing where you are in a dialog or anywhere else. But first, I'll point out that Commands such as left arrow, right arrow, control home, control end, control left arrow, and control right arrow are Windows movement commands for moving in any standard edit field including word processor edit fields. None of them will change.
Screen review commands
Note the pattern as I give these commands:
Read previous line, numpad 7.
Read current line, numpad 8.
Read next line, numpad nine.
You move in screen review to the previous or next line when you issue those commands. You can keep moving and reading until you get to the top or bottom of the screen.
Read previous word, numpad 4.
Read current word, numpad 5.
Read next word, numpad 6.
Read previous character, numpad 1.
Read current character, numpad 2.
Read next character, numpad 3.
Note the pattern:
Read current is the key in the middle of each of these rows.
Move to and read previous is the key on the left.
Move to and read next is the key to the right.
The lower the numbers, the smaller the movement unit. 1 2 and 3 move by character.

4 5 and 6 move by word, etc.
Now, here are the laptop layout review commands:
Read current line, NVDA shift period
Move to and read next line, NVDA down arrow.
Move to and read previous line, NVDA up arrow.
Read current word, NVDA control period
Read previous word, NVDA control left arrow
Read next word, NVDA control right arrow
Announce current character, NVDA period.
Move to and read previous character, NVDA left arrow
Move to and read next character, NVDA right arrow.
After a little more discussion, I'll tell you how to change the keyboard layout to laptop.
Getting back to the review keys in the laptop layout, There are sort of patterns in the laptop layout but not the kind of uniform pattern as in the desktop layout. If I had a laptop computer without a numpad, I'd buy a USB numpad and not fool around with the laptop layout. But you can decide that for yourself. But aside from predictable keys such as that period is used for current, and that left and right arrows are used with modifiers, you can't generalize more. Such patterns are not followed in every previous and next item. In one of the previous and next items, up and down arrow is used.
More review commands and review modes
Here are two more important commands:
Jump to top of window, shift numpad 7. Laptop layout command: control NVDA key home.
Jump to bottom of window, shift numpad 9. Laptop layout command: Control NVDA key end.
I've said top and bottom of Window but that's oversimplified. It depends what kind of review mode you are using. I won't go into that to any extent in this very short tutorial.
A brief introduction to review modes
If you are reviewing material in a word processor, use the review commands I've given. If you are in a dialog or some other structures, in order to see what is on screen, change to screen review mode. to do this, use the command numpad insert numpad 7 in the desktop layout. In the laptop layout, the command is NVDA key page up. Issue the command and repeat it if necessary until you hear screen review. Then you can use the review commands such as numpad 7, 8 9, etc. to review what is on screen.
After you have finished working in screen review, it is very important to return to object review. Issue the command numpad insert numpad one in the desktop layout. the laptop layout command is NVDA Key page down. Repeat the command if necessary until you hear object review. If you don't do this, you will often hear incorrect information about where you are when you do various things in NVDA.
Changing keyboard layout
I shall now explain how to change the layout from the desktop to the laptop layout and discuss causing the caps lock to be used as an NVDA key. If you add capslock, you can still use either insert; there are times when caps lock is very convenient.
to open keyboard settings, issue the command control insert k. You are now in a list of layouts. the desktop is the default and the first in the list. If you want to switch to the laptop layout, down arrow once and then tab to and activate the ok button.
As you tab, you will notice check boxes about which keys serve as the NVDA key. Caps lock is not checked. Check it with the space bar. You can stay in the desk top layout and still tab and see these check boxes.
I use the caps lock key as an NVDA key often and I use the desktop layout. I find it much more convenient to use for the read to end command. I hold caps lock and press down arrow. That is, to me, much more convenient than using insert down arrow, regardless of which insert I use.
If you want to toggle caps lock on and off for typing, press it twice quickly. If you press it once and hold it, it serves as an NVDA key. If you press it twice quickly, it toggles caps lock on and off.
Mouse commands and review modes
To left click with the mouse, route the mouse to the review position with the command numpad insert numpad slash. That is the same command you left click wwith in Window-eyes. If you want to right click, route the mouse with the same command (numpad insert numpad slash), then use numpad star, the key immediately to the right of numpad slash. In other words, you right click with the same key you use in Window-eyes.
Screen review, though the commands are different, is similar in concept to using the mouse pointer in Window-eyes. Object navigation is different from any review mode in Window-eyes. I won't teach its use here but you will find a discussion of it in a tutorial I will give an address for later in this tutorial. Depending on how you use your computer, you may find it very useful.
That is just about all I will teach in this very short tutorial about screen review and mouse. As I said, its purpose is to allow you to do much of what you do with Window-eyes quickly and easily. But I'll tell you a few more things.
Internet browsing:
When you are on a web page, quick navigation commands are almost identical whether you are using NVDA or Window-eyes:
Move by headings is h.
Skip blocks of links is n.
Move to next button is b.
Next combo box is c.
Next check box is x.
Input help mode
NVDA has an input help mode which is similar to what is in Window-eyes. Insert and 1 on the main keyboard turns it on. When you press a key or combination of keys that might be a command, you will hear what the keys are and what, if any command they execute. This varies depending on where you are.
When in a browser that supports browse mode, typing a lot of individual letters will give you information about what the keys do in browse mode. I already gave much of that information above but you may want to press a lot of keys using input mode in a browser. To turn input mode off use the same command you used to turn it on, insert 1.
Additional information
To learn more about NVDA, a popular tutorial is available at:
http://www.josephsl.net/tutorials
On that page, you will see links to download different sections of the tutorial dealing with different subjects. You can also download the entire tutorial as a zip file.
There is also an e-mail list for NVDA users. To join, send a blank message to this address:
nvda+subscribe@nvda.groups.io
I hope that this tutorial has removed much of your apprehension about switching to NVDA. Now, as you wish or need, you may consult the tutorial I gave a link to. NVDA is a powerful screen-reader and it will meet a lot of users needs as well as JAWS or Window-eyes does. I hope this very short tutorial gives you a good foundation on which to build confidence that the transition should be much easier than you may have thought and that it will help make it much more enjoyable.

On 12/8/2017 1:10 PM, Gene New Zealand wrote:

Hi


It did not really make it clear what he was trying to do and in what program. I have not listened to all of his tutorials or the series ehe had done by Joseph.


I guess i will wait and see which program it is then see what he is doing wrong if he tells me.


Gene nz



On 12/9/2017 9:38 AM, Gene wrote:

you must be in object navigation mode for these commands to work as described in the section of the tutorial being worked with
Gene
*From:* Gene New Zealand <mailto:hurrikennyandopo@...>
*Sent:* Friday, December 08, 2017 2:19 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] screen review commands not working for me

Hi


could i ask in what program are you trying to do it in?


On a desktop computer to go into screen review is the nvda key + 7 on the numeric keypad.



The commands given are review text or text review commands you can use with screen review.


Depending what you are trying to do you may need to route the mouse to that position? or activate a button with a object navigation command.


Make sure also your num lock key is turned off.


the other thing to is on the numeric keypad we can use screen review press the nvda key + 7 to go into that mode.

Using the nvda key + 1 on the numeric keypad will take you down the modes like document review I think it is called and object navigation.

the document review mode may only show in some applications. if it can.


using the nvda key + 7 will take you back through the modes if there this may change in each application to what it reveals.


Gene nz


On 12/9/2017 8:20 AM, Brice Mijares wrote:

When I hit numpad 8 to read current line, it reads a completely different line.  Same with previous line, word or character ETC. The tutorial was called getting started with NVDA.

On 12/8/2017 10:50 AM, Gene wrote:

What do you mean when you say they don't work?  Assuming the commands are doing something, what are they doing?
Gene
----- original Message -----
*From:* Brice Mijares <mailto:bricemijares@...>
*Sent:* Friday, December 08, 2017 12:45 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* [nvda] screen review commands not working for me

I've been trying to follow the following directions, but these
directions are not working for me. I made sure I was in desktop layout.
It was a brief tutorial by Joseph Lee and I had copied it to wordpad and
was trying to use the numpad keys to read it.

Screen review commands
Note the pattern as I give these commands:
Read previous line, numpad 7.
Read current line, numpad 8.
Read next line, numpad nine.
You move in screen review to the previous or next line when you issue
those commands. You can keep moving and reading until you get to the top
or bottom of the screen.
Read previous word, numpad 4.
Read current word, numpad 5.
Read next word, numpad 6.
Read previous character, numpad 1.
Read current character, numpad 2.
Read next character, numpad 3.
Note the pattern:

Thanks for any suggestions.





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Re: screen review commands not working for me

Adriani Botez
 

The one is object review which is not the same like object navigation.

Best
Adriani


Von meinem iPhone gesendet

Am 08.12.2017 um 21:19 schrieb Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...>:

Hi


could i ask in what program are you trying to do it in?


On a desktop computer to go into screen review is the nvda key + 7 on the numeric keypad.



The commands given are review text or text review commands you can use with screen review.


Depending what you are trying to do you may need to route the mouse to that position? or activate a button with a object navigation command.


Make sure also your num lock key is turned off.


the other thing to is on the numeric keypad we can use screen review press the nvda key + 7 to go into that mode.

Using the nvda key + 1 on the numeric keypad will take you down the modes like document review I think it is called and object navigation.

the document review mode may only show in some applications. if it can.


using the nvda key + 7 will take you back through the modes if there this may change in each application to what it reveals.


Gene nz
 

On 12/9/2017 8:20 AM, Brice Mijares wrote:
When I hit numpad 8 to read current line, it reads a completely different line.  Same with previous line, word or character ETC. The tutorial was called getting started with NVDA.

On 12/8/2017 10:50 AM, Gene wrote:
What do you mean when you say they don't work?  Assuming the commands are doing something, what are they doing?
Gene
----- original Message -----
*From:* Brice Mijares <mailto:bricemijares@...>
*Sent:* Friday, December 08, 2017 12:45 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* [nvda] screen review commands not working for me

I've been trying to follow the following directions, but these
directions are not working for me. I made sure I was in desktop layout.
It was a brief tutorial by Joseph Lee and I had copied it to wordpad and
was trying to use the numpad keys to read it.

Screen review commands
Note the pattern as I give these commands:
Read previous line, numpad 7.
Read current line, numpad 8.
Read next line, numpad nine.
You move in screen review to the previous or next line when you issue
those commands. You can keep moving and reading until you get to the top
or bottom of the screen.
Read previous word, numpad 4.
Read current word, numpad 5.
Read next word, numpad 6.
Read previous character, numpad 1.
Read current character, numpad 2.
Read next character, numpad 3.
Note the pattern:

Thanks for any suggestions.







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Re: Be careful to Mandarin Espeak

特種兵
 

hi,

  this question will be fix on espeak 1.49.3.



Marco Oros 於 2017/12/7 上午 06:08 寫道:

OK, bug is discovered, I think It is misstake of Espeak NG.
There are two voices classified, as Mandarin Chinese. One is incorrect and countains bugs. Two voices labelled, as Mandarin Chinese in direction with chinese voices.

Re: nvda with a youtube to mp3 converter program

David Griffith
 

 

ESET will not let me install this program as it repeatedly try to block the installation saying it is dangerous.

It insists on blocking it even if I hit ignore.

Any comments on why ESET thinks it is dangerous for my Pc?

My Blind Access and Guide dog Blog
http://dgriffithblog.wordpress.com/
My Blind hammer Blog
https://www.westhamtillidie.com/authors/blind-hammer/posts

 

From: Tony Ballou
Sent: 08 December 2017 17:38
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda with a youtube to mp3 converter program

 

Hi,

 

Try the free you tube downloader and converter program.  You can read more about it here.

 

http://www.accessibilitycentral.net/How%20to%20use%20the%20Free%20YouTube%20Downloader%20program%20with%20NVDA.html


Tony

On 12/4/2017 11:31 AM, Dan Thompson wrote:

Hi All,

I have been using the free youtube to mp3 converter for several years.  But suddenly I can not seem to get the url to paste into the converter and auto download into the music folder.    I am using verson 3.3.12.59 build 5.5.   It seems the new version of this program from  DVDVideoSoft  in the new 4.62 version has become very unaccessible.

I wrote a chapter in a book using my laptop with nvda and version 3.12.5 build 5-05.  However, now with the new verson nothing downloads automatically even if I get that bock check, and that is quit challenging itself.  The menus are rather unaccessible.

Is there another youtube to mp3 converter that is easy to use. I work with seniors, (55 and older), most around 65 years.

I will be greatful for any advice.9files to

 

 

Re: a link that won't activate

Sally Kiebdaj
 

I would add one other keystroke that I don't think has been tried:

nVDA+enter


These links do happen from time to time and others here can give some possible reasons why.


Good luck!

Sally


On 12/9/2017 2:20 AM, David Griffith wrote:

 

If a link is not working with enter I try the following

  1. Press space instead of enter.
  2. Most reliably Press Insert F7 to bring up Elements List  and activate the link from there. This works most times.
  3. If this does  not work I press F6 until I am in the address bar and copy the page address and then load it in Internet explorer.
  4. IE is not a great browser to use nowadays but I have several times found that links that do not work under Firefox or Waterfox will suddenly activate when I load  the same page in IE.  The GiftGab Mobile Phone top up page in the UK is a case in point where several check out buttons do not respond with firefox or Chrome but will in IE for some reason.
  5. So far those methods have worked for me with difficult links, but if they did not I would further try the link using Narator in Edge.

My Blind Access and Guide dog Blog
http://dgriffithblog.wordpress.com/
My Blind hammer Blog
https://www.westhamtillidie.com/authors/blind-hammer/posts

 

From: Mary Otten
Sent: 09 December 2017 00:50
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] a link that won't activate

 

I would send you to this website, but it is a wine ordering site, and

the link in question is my shopping cart, so I guess there isn't much

point. After I fill my care, I can search using the nvda shift f combo

and find the word cart. It shows how many items are in the cart and is

even identified as a link, although I can't tab to this link at all. If

I press enter, I go nowhere. I can find and identify the cart link as a

link with object nav, and I have mouse tracking on. If I try a single or

double left simulated mouse click using the number pad, which nvda

identifies when I press it as a left click, nothing happens. This is all

happening in Firefox esr. Has anybody seen a link like this, and what

can I do about it?

 

 

Mary

 

 

 

 


Re: a link that won't activate

David Griffith
 

 

If a link is not working with enter I try the following

  1. Press space instead of enter.
  2. Most reliably Press Insert F7 to bring up Elements List  and activate the link from there. This works most times.
  3. If this does  not work I press F6 until I am in the address bar and copy the page address and then load it in Internet explorer.
  4. IE is not a great browser to use nowadays but I have several times found that links that do not work under Firefox or Waterfox will suddenly activate when I load  the same page in IE.  The GiftGab Mobile Phone top up page in the UK is a case in point where several check out buttons do not respond with firefox or Chrome but will in IE for some reason.
  5. So far those methods have worked for me with difficult links, but if they did not I would further try the link using Narator in Edge.

My Blind Access and Guide dog Blog
http://dgriffithblog.wordpress.com/
My Blind hammer Blog
https://www.westhamtillidie.com/authors/blind-hammer/posts

 

From: Mary Otten
Sent: 09 December 2017 00:50
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] a link that won't activate

 

I would send you to this website, but it is a wine ordering site, and

the link in question is my shopping cart, so I guess there isn't much

point. After I fill my care, I can search using the nvda shift f combo

and find the word cart. It shows how many items are in the cart and is

even identified as a link, although I can't tab to this link at all. If

I press enter, I go nowhere. I can find and identify the cart link as a

link with object nav, and I have mouse tracking on. If I try a single or

double left simulated mouse click using the number pad, which nvda

identifies when I press it as a left click, nothing happens. This is all

happening in Firefox esr. Has anybody seen a link like this, and what

can I do about it?

 

 

Mary

 

 

 

 

Re: updates problem

anthony borg
 

Hi gene

I wonder if you can help me. I got from Microsoft the monthly updates and evrytime I try to do the update and restart, or update and shutdown, the updates remain there.

That means that it is not doing the updates because they are got stucked.

Is there a way how to make it doing the updates please?

I have windows 10, and office 2013.

Thanks in advance

Anthony  

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 09 December 2017 06:23
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: updates problem

 

I remembered doing a short article on switching to NVDA from Window-eyes.  I didn't remember what I said in it and I didn't realize I was commenting on that article.  It's amusing that I commented on my own article without knowing it.  Of course I agreed with it and the way it was done.  Now I know why it was written in a way I would have written it.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Friday, December 08, 2017 10:43 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] screen review commands not working for me

 

Hi

 

I found the tutorial you are talking about it is written by the other Gene and can be found off the https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda-community/wiki/Switching-from-Window-Eyes-to-NVDA

 

the page it linked to was this one at https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda-community/wiki/Guides
I think they were under the wicki section.

Look in the user manual for reviewing text it is section 5.5 i think it is. Just under that section also says about some of the other modes.

What is said in this mode is what can be used in screen review mode and or with object navigation.

this type of commands is good say for reviewing menus etc either word by word or letter by letter.

I could give you examples of where they could be used this would be for review text which can be used with screen review when it is used.

Gene nz

On 12/9/2017 11:43 AM, Brice Mijares wrote:

Here's that brief tutorial. and I don't remember where I got it.
Here are the screen-reader commands you will need to know to allow you to do a lot of what you did before with Window-Eyes:
To unload NVDA, insert q then enter.
Read title bar, insert t.
Time, insert f12.
Announce formatting information, insert f.
Read current Window, insert b. In Window-eyes the command is control shift w.
Read to end, insert down arrow. Use the down arrow on the main keyboard. In the laptop layout, read to end is NVDA key a.
Stop speech with control, as with screen-readers in general.
Screen review
I'm about to discuss screen-review commands. those let you review the screen without changing the position of the cursor when editing a document, or changing where you are in a dialog or anywhere else. But first, I'll point out that Commands such as left arrow, right arrow, control home, control end, control left arrow, and control right arrow are Windows movement commands for moving in any standard edit field including word processor edit fields. None of them will change.
Screen review commands
Note the pattern as I give these commands:
Read previous line, numpad 7.
Read current line, numpad 8.
Read next line, numpad nine.
You move in screen review to the previous or next line when you issue those commands. You can keep moving and reading until you get to the top or bottom of the screen.
Read previous word, numpad 4.
Read current word, numpad 5.
Read next word, numpad 6.
Read previous character, numpad 1.
Read current character, numpad 2.
Read next character, numpad 3.
Note the pattern:
Read current is the key in the middle of each of these rows.
Move to and read previous is the key on the left.
Move to and read next is the key to the right.
The lower the numbers, the smaller the movement unit. 1 2 and 3 move by character.

4 5 and 6 move by word, etc.
Now, here are the laptop layout review commands:
Read current line, NVDA shift period
Move to and read next line, NVDA down arrow.
Move to and read previous line, NVDA up arrow.
Read current word, NVDA control period
Read previous word, NVDA control left arrow
Read next word, NVDA control right arrow
Announce current character, NVDA period.
Move to and read previous character, NVDA left arrow
Move to and read next character, NVDA right arrow.
After a little more discussion, I'll tell you how to change the keyboard layout to laptop.
Getting back to the review keys in the laptop layout, There are sort of patterns in the laptop layout but not the kind of uniform pattern as in the desktop layout. If I had a laptop computer without a numpad, I'd buy a USB numpad and not fool around with the laptop layout. But you can decide that for yourself. But aside from predictable keys such as that period is used for current, and that left and right arrows are used with modifiers, you can't generalize more. Such patterns are not followed in every previous and next item. In one of the previous and next items, up and down arrow is used.
More review commands and review modes
Here are two more important commands:
Jump to top of window, shift numpad 7. Laptop layout command: control NVDA key home.
Jump to bottom of window, shift numpad 9. Laptop layout command: Control NVDA key end.
I've said top and bottom of Window but that's oversimplified. It depends what kind of review mode you are using. I won't go into that to any extent in this very short tutorial.
A brief introduction to review modes
If you are reviewing material in a word processor, use the review commands I've given. If you are in a dialog or some other structures, in order to see what is on screen, change to screen review mode. to do this, use the command numpad insert numpad 7 in the desktop layout. In the laptop layout, the command is NVDA key page up. Issue the command and repeat it if necessary until you hear screen review. Then you can use the review commands such as numpad 7, 8 9, etc. to review what is on screen.
After you have finished working in screen review, it is very important to return to object review. Issue the command numpad insert numpad one in the desktop layout. the laptop layout command is NVDA Key page down. Repeat the command if necessary until you hear object review. If you don't do this, you will often hear incorrect information about where you are when you do various things in NVDA.
Changing keyboard layout
I shall now explain how to change the layout from the desktop to the laptop layout and discuss causing the caps lock to be used as an NVDA key. If you add capslock, you can still use either insert; there are times when caps lock is very convenient.
to open keyboard settings, issue the command control insert k. You are now in a list of layouts. the desktop is the default and the first in the list. If you want to switch to the laptop layout, down arrow once and then tab to and activate the ok button.
As you tab, you will notice check boxes about which keys serve as the NVDA key. Caps lock is not checked. Check it with the space bar. You can stay in the desk top layout and still tab and see these check boxes.
I use the caps lock key as an NVDA key often and I use the desktop layout. I find it much more convenient to use for the read to end command. I hold caps lock and press down arrow. That is, to me, much more convenient than using insert down arrow, regardless of which insert I use.
If you want to toggle caps lock on and off for typing, press it twice quickly. If you press it once and hold it, it serves as an NVDA key. If you press it twice quickly, it toggles caps lock on and off.
Mouse commands and review modes
To left click with the mouse, route the mouse to the review position with the command numpad insert numpad slash. That is the same command you left click wwith in Window-eyes. If you want to right click, route the mouse with the same command (numpad insert numpad slash), then use numpad star, the key immediately to the right of numpad slash. In other words, you right click with the same key you use in Window-eyes.
Screen review, though the commands are different, is similar in concept to using the mouse pointer in Window-eyes. Object navigation is different from any review mode in Window-eyes. I won't teach its use here but you will find a discussion of it in a tutorial I will give an address for later in this tutorial. Depending on how you use your computer, you may find it very useful.
That is just about all I will teach in this very short tutorial about screen review and mouse. As I said, its purpose is to allow you to do much of what you do with Window-eyes quickly and easily. But I'll tell you a few more things.
Internet browsing:
When you are on a web page, quick navigation commands are almost identical whether you are using NVDA or Window-eyes:
Move by headings is h.
Skip blocks of links is n.
Move to next button is b.
Next combo box is c.
Next check box is x.
Input help mode
NVDA has an input help mode which is similar to what is in Window-eyes. Insert and 1 on the main keyboard turns it on. When you press a key or combination of keys that might be a command, you will hear what the keys are and what, if any command they execute. This varies depending on where you are.
When in a browser that supports browse mode, typing a lot of individual letters will give you information about what the keys do in browse mode. I already gave much of that information above but you may want to press a lot of keys using input mode in a browser. To turn input mode off use the same command you used to turn it on, insert 1.
Additional information
To learn more about NVDA, a popular tutorial is available at:
http://www.josephsl.net/tutorials
On that page, you will see links to download different sections of the tutorial dealing with different subjects. You can also download the entire tutorial as a zip file.
There is also an e-mail list for NVDA users. To join, send a blank message to this address:
nvda+subscribe@nvda.groups.io
I hope that this tutorial has removed much of your apprehension about switching to NVDA. Now, as you wish or need, you may consult the tutorial I gave a link to. NVDA is a powerful screen-reader and it will meet a lot of users needs as well as JAWS or Window-eyes does. I hope this very short tutorial gives you a good foundation on which to build confidence that the transition should be much easier than you may have thought and that it will help make it much more enjoyable.

On 12/8/2017 1:10 PM, Gene New Zealand wrote:

Hi


It did not really make it clear what he was trying to do and in what program. I have not listened to all of his tutorials or the series ehe had done by Joseph.


I guess i will wait and see which program it is then see what he is doing wrong if he tells me.


Gene nz



On 12/9/2017 9:38 AM, Gene wrote:

you must be in object navigation mode for these commands to work as described in the section of the tutorial being worked with
Gene
*From:* Gene New Zealand <mailto:hurrikennyandopo@...>
*Sent:* Friday, December 08, 2017 2:19 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] screen review commands not working for me

Hi


could i ask in what program are you trying to do it in?


On a desktop computer to go into screen review is the nvda key + 7 on the numeric keypad.



The commands given are review text or text review commands you can use with screen review.


Depending what you are trying to do you may need to route the mouse to that position? or activate a button with a object navigation command.


Make sure also your num lock key is turned off.


the other thing to is on the numeric keypad we can use screen review press the nvda key + 7 to go into that mode.

Using the nvda key + 1 on the numeric keypad will take you down the modes like document review I think it is called and object navigation.

the document review mode may only show in some applications. if it can.


using the nvda key + 7 will take you back through the modes if there this may change in each application to what it reveals.


Gene nz


On 12/9/2017 8:20 AM, Brice Mijares wrote:

When I hit numpad 8 to read current line, it reads a completely different line.  Same with previous line, word or character ETC. The tutorial was called getting started with NVDA.

On 12/8/2017 10:50 AM, Gene wrote:

What do you mean when you say they don't work?  Assuming the commands are doing something, what are they doing?
Gene
----- original Message -----
*From:* Brice Mijares <mailto:bricemijares@...>
*Sent:* Friday, December 08, 2017 12:45 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* [nvda] screen review commands not working for me

I've been trying to follow the following directions, but these
directions are not working for me. I made sure I was in desktop layout.
It was a brief tutorial by Joseph Lee and I had copied it to wordpad and
was trying to use the numpad keys to read it.

Screen review commands
Note the pattern as I give these commands:
Read previous line, numpad 7.
Read current line, numpad 8.
Read next line, numpad nine.
You move in screen review to the previous or next line when you issue
those commands. You can keep moving and reading until you get to the top
or bottom of the screen.
Read previous word, numpad 4.
Read current word, numpad 5.
Read next word, numpad 6.
Read previous character, numpad 1.
Read current character, numpad 2.
Read next character, numpad 3.
Note the pattern:

Thanks for any suggestions.





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Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or location) is near to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.


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Image NVDA certified expert
Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or location) is near to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.



 

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Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or location) is near to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.