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Re: Is There a Memory Leak when NVDA Works with FireFox?

Bhavya shah
 

Dear all,

This issue has been documented on NVDA's GitHub tracker also and there
are a couple related tickets whose links I am happy to share if
somebody is interested. I have experienced this issue on two laptops
(I don't use Desktops), both with Intel processors (I don't have a
machine with an AMD processor to test), as recently as with the latest
NVDA and Firefox versions. It is a frequently reoccurring bug that is
rather disruptive, and I hope its cause can be identified and a
resolution be reached soon.

Thanks.

On 3/6/21, Luke Davis <luke@newanswertech.com> wrote:
I would like to point out, that for me at least, this hasn't happened in a
while
(I usually run with 5-10 tabs open for weeks at a time).
It only ever happened with very specific websites.

And, to answer another question: I think I experienced this on an AMD
desktop
years ago, but I so rarely use desktops that I can't be sure that was
actually
the issue. I have run into it on three laptops that I can think of.

Luke






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Re: For those using Security Suites or Mail Classifiers that Change the Subject Line #adminnotice

Louise Pfau
 

Hi. I've figured out how to mark or unmark spam. I'm going to download the tutorial though.

Thanks,

Louise


Re: For those using Security Suites or Mail Classifiers that Change the Subject Line #adminnotice

Hettie <woehler.hettie@...>
 

If you have a spam message in your inbox, press J to specify it as spam.

In your spam folder press Shift + J to mark it as Not Spam. Thunderbird moves the unwanted file to the spam folder and in the spam folder the file you specify as not spam is is moved to the inbox.

.


Hettie

On 3/6/2021 11:06 PM, Jackie wrote:
Louise, you do this from your spam folder, ie, if a groups.io message
ends up there, then just press the "not spam" button.

On 3/6/21, Louise Pfau <louise.pfau@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Brian.  I'm using the gmail web interface.  Is there a way to report a
message as "not spam" from the inbox?  There is a button to do this in the
"Spam" folder.  Is the "report spam" function the same as the white list
function you mentioned?

Thanks,

Louise






Fix for MathPlayer Issue not fixed by running COM Registration Fixing Tool

ramamariano
 

Moderator's Preface:  This reply came in this morning in regard to a topic that had been inactive for a bit over a year.  In that topic, entitled, confused, Tyler Spivey, in message  , gave a proposed solution original complaint after I had given a link to the GitHub NVDA Issue for same that he had created.  The issue remains open, and because it remains open, what follows may help someone who may still be having it.  I didn't want people to think that Mariano's helpful response "came out of nowhere" nor to have a clue about the background.  So, without further ado:

-----
Just my own experience regarding this topic if helps anyone in any way.
My situation:
Windows 10 64b
NVDA 2020.4
 
Uninstalling Mathplayer 4 produces the inglorious "Unkown" issue in Firefox, Taskbar, etc.
Trying "COM Registration Fixing tool"; doesn't work.
Trying all the tweaks here: https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/2807#issuecomment-320149243; doesn't work.
Trying Tyler Spivey Python console command; return "SyntaxError: invalid syntax".
 
Since i get "invalid syntax" error I try to search for typos and found there´s a letter "u" on the bottom of the line I can remove.

Original command:
import comtypes,ctypes;p=comtypes.typeinfo.LoadTypeLibEx(r"c:\windows\syswow64\oleacc.dll");ctypes.windll.oleaut32.RegisterTypeLib(p, ur"c:\windows\syswow64\oleacc.dll", None)

Fixed command (at least for me):
import comtypes,ctypes;p=comtypes.typeinfo.LoadTypeLibEx(r"c:\windows\syswow64\oleacc.dll");ctypes.windll.oleaut32.RegisterTypeLib(p, r"c:\windows\syswow64\oleacc.dll", None)
That works in my case.
 
So, steps for the fix:
1.Run NVDA as administrator (required).
2.Open NVDA Menu, then Tools, then Python Console.
3.Paste this line:

import comtypes,ctypes;p=comtypes.typeinfo.LoadTypeLibEx(r"c:\windows\syswow64\oleacc.dll");ctypes.windll.oleaut32.RegisterTypeLib(p, r"c:\windows\syswow64\oleacc.dll", None)

4.Hit enter, it will return a number (-2147319780).
5.Restart NVDA and check if Firefox works ok.


Re: microsoft team with NVDA screen reader

anthony borg
 

Ok thanks.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Goldfield
Sent: 06 March 2021 13:49
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] microsoft team with NVDA screen reader

 

Hello. If you’re referring to Microsoft Teams then I can tell you that I am one of the many Teams users who uses the program with screen readers, including NVDA. For several reasons I am not able to engage in off-list conversations as I don’t have the time to provide one on one support. However, if your questions are specifically related to NVDA and its interaction with Teams I would imagine this list is an appropriate place to ask your questions. If your question is more specific to Teams and how to use it with screen readers in general you are free to join the Teams-access list, which I own. To subscribe, send email to

Teams-access+subscribe@groups.io

 

Asking questions on a mailing list is much better than engaging in a dialog with an individual. Asking on a list appropriate for the question means that more people can respond and can give you more information than you might otherwise get from a one on one dialog. Those who may be interested in the topic also benefit from the discussion. Finally, group messages are archived, allowing people who may have similar questions to read the exchange later on when they need the information.

 

 

David Goldfield,

Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist

JAWS Certified, 2019

Subscribe to the Tech-VI announcement list to receive emails regarding news and events in the blindness assistive technology field.

Email: tech-vi+subscribe@groups.io

 

www.DavidGoldfield.org

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of anthony borg
Sent: Saturday, March 6, 2021 7:41 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] microsoft team with NVDA screen reader

 

Hello

 

Does anyone use Microsoft Team with NVDA screen reader please? If so can you contact me of list.

Anthonyborg001@...

Thanks in advance

 

Anthony


Re: microsoft team with NVDA screen reader

anthony borg
 

Ok thanks Michael.

Regards

 

Anthony

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Micallef Michael at FITA
Sent: 06 March 2021 16:32
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] microsoft team with NVDA screen reader

 

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of anthony borg via groups.io
Sent: Saturday, March 6, 2021 1:41 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] microsoft team with NVDA screen reader

 

CAUTION: This email originated from OUTSIDE the Government Email Infrastructure. DO NOT CLICK LINKS or OPEN attachments unless you recognise the sender and know the content is safe.

 

Hello

 

Does anyone use Microsoft Team with NVDA screen reader please? If so can you contact me of list.

Anthonyborg001@...

Thanks in advance

 

Anthony


Re: Is There a Memory Leak when NVDA Works with FireFox?

Luke Davis
 

I would like to point out, that for me at least, this hasn't happened in a while (I usually run with 5-10 tabs open for weeks at a time).
It only ever happened with very specific websites.

And, to answer another question: I think I experienced this on an AMD desktop years ago, but I so rarely use desktops that I can't be sure that was actually the issue. I have run into it on three laptops that I can think of.

Luke


Re: Is There a Memory Leak when NVDA Works with FireFox?

Ron Canazzi
 

Hi Bob,

I do run it at times for web mail, but mostly for surfing.  I do listen to sports streams at times as well as music streams and I do have multiple windows open some times--usually no more than 3 or 4 at a time.

On 3/6/2021 7:55 PM, Bob Cavanaugh wrote:
How do you tend to use Firefox? I'm using Gmail's web interface in
Firefox right now and am having no problems, but that's because it's
the only thing open. When I load it up with a bunch more stuff, that's
when it becomes a problem.

On 3/6/21, Ron Canazzi <aa2vm@roadrunner.com> wrote:
Hi Group,

I am running three desktops networked in a Windows Ten environment. I
have not seen any of this sluggishness with Firefox. I am wondering if
all those experiencing these issues are running laptops. I know a few
people have indicated that they are running laptops. Is anyone running
only desktops and still having this problem?



On 3/6/2021 11:39 AM, Russell James wrote:
I can also confirm similar experience with using Firefox nightly on an
Intel based system with plenty of CPU and memory

Seems a little worse lately like in the last few weeks happening
almost once a day

Using many many windows in Firefox with many tabs in each

Also using no script the script blocker and usually only allowing
scripts temporarily on the tabs I'm actively using

Lately it seems like more drastic measures are required like power
cycling the system however in the past restarting nvda used to work

Russ


On Sat, Mar 6, 2021, 10:19 AM Giles Turnbull <giles.turnbull@gmail.com
<mailto:giles.turnbull@gmail.com>> wrote:

I experience this, usually a couple of times per day. For me, NVDA
is too inactive to use Task Manager to see what process is
seizing-up my laptop or tablet. I don't have a desktop shortcut to
kill the Firefox process because I didn't know Firefox was to
blame. Usually using the Alt+Shift+n shortcut to force NVDA to
re-start will work and, as long as I use that brief moment of NVDA
life to close a few programs that I figured might be responsible
(Firefox and WinAmp and word) I can make sure that I have any
unsaved documents saved before re-starting my computer.

I do use Chrome as well as Firefox, but since Firefox is still
running with its tabs open when I also use Chrome, I don't know
whether this happens if I'd only used Chrome that day. I much
prefer the Firefox browser.

I'm using the latest Firefox (86.0) and the latest stable NVDA
(2020.4) on both a Surface Pro 4 tablet and an Asus gaming laptop,
both using Intel processors and 8Gb memory.

Giles
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Re: Is There a Memory Leak when NVDA Works with FireFox?

Bob Cavanaugh <cavbob1993@...>
 

How do you tend to use Firefox? I'm using Gmail's web interface in
Firefox right now and am having no problems, but that's because it's
the only thing open. When I load it up with a bunch more stuff, that's
when it becomes a problem.

On 3/6/21, Ron Canazzi <aa2vm@roadrunner.com> wrote:
Hi Group,

I am running three desktops networked in a Windows Ten environment. I
have not seen any of this sluggishness with Firefox. I am wondering if
all those experiencing these issues are running laptops. I know a few
people have indicated that they are running laptops. Is anyone running
only desktops and still having this problem?



On 3/6/2021 11:39 AM, Russell James wrote:

I can also confirm similar experience with using Firefox nightly on an
Intel based system with plenty of CPU and memory

Seems a little worse lately like in the last few weeks happening
almost once a day

Using many many windows in Firefox with many tabs in each

Also using no script the script blocker and usually only allowing
scripts temporarily on the tabs I'm actively using

Lately it seems like more drastic measures are required like power
cycling the system however in the past restarting nvda used to work

Russ


On Sat, Mar 6, 2021, 10:19 AM Giles Turnbull <giles.turnbull@gmail.com
<mailto:giles.turnbull@gmail.com>> wrote:

I experience this, usually a couple of times per day. For me, NVDA
is too inactive to use Task Manager to see what process is
seizing-up my laptop or tablet. I don't have a desktop shortcut to
kill the Firefox process because I didn't know Firefox was to
blame. Usually using the Alt+Shift+n shortcut to force NVDA to
re-start will work and, as long as I use that brief moment of NVDA
life to close a few programs that I figured might be responsible
(Firefox and WinAmp and word) I can make sure that I have any
unsaved documents saved before re-starting my computer.

I do use Chrome as well as Firefox, but since Firefox is still
running with its tabs open when I also use Chrome, I don't know
whether this happens if I'd only used Chrome that day. I much
prefer the Firefox browser.

I'm using the latest Firefox (86.0) and the latest stable NVDA
(2020.4) on both a Surface Pro 4 tablet and an Asus gaming laptop,
both using Intel processors and 8Gb memory.

Giles
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Re: Is There a Memory Leak when NVDA Works with FireFox?

Mary Otten
 

Hi Ron,


I have not participated in this thread, but yes, I do experience this issue with FireFox latest ESR and on a desktop machine with an intel processor.


Mary


On 3/6/2021 4:27 PM, Ron Canazzi wrote:
Hi Group,

I am running three desktops networked in a Windows Ten environment. I have not seen any of this sluggishness with Firefox. I am wondering if all those experiencing these issues are running laptops.  I know a few people have indicated that they are running laptops. Is anyone running only desktops and still having this problem?



On 3/6/2021 11:39 AM, Russell James wrote:

I can also confirm similar experience with using Firefox nightly on an Intel based system with plenty of CPU and memory

Seems a little worse lately like in the last few weeks happening almost once a day

Using many many windows in Firefox with many tabs in each

Also using no script the script blocker and usually only allowing scripts temporarily on the tabs I'm actively using

Lately it seems like more drastic measures are required like power cycling the system however in the past restarting nvda used to work

Russ


On Sat, Mar 6, 2021, 10:19 AM Giles Turnbull <giles.turnbull@...> wrote:
I experience this, usually a couple of times per day. For me, NVDA is too inactive to use Task Manager to see what process is seizing-up my laptop or tablet. I don't have a desktop shortcut to kill the Firefox process because I didn't know Firefox was to blame. Usually using the Alt+Shift+n shortcut to force NVDA to re-start will work and, as long as I use that brief moment of NVDA life to close a few programs that I figured might be responsible (Firefox and WinAmp and word) I can make sure that I have any unsaved documents saved before re-starting my computer.

I do use Chrome as well as Firefox, but since Firefox is still running with its tabs open when I also use Chrome, I don't know whether this happens if I'd only used Chrome that day. I much prefer the Firefox browser.

I'm using the latest Firefox (86.0) and the latest stable NVDA (2020.4) on both a Surface Pro 4 tablet and an Asus gaming laptop, both using Intel processors and 8Gb memory.

Giles
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Re: Is There a Memory Leak when NVDA Works with FireFox?

Ron Canazzi
 

Hi Group,

I am running three desktops networked in a Windows Ten environment. I have not seen any of this sluggishness with Firefox. I am wondering if all those experiencing these issues are running laptops.  I know a few people have indicated that they are running laptops. Is anyone running only desktops and still having this problem?



On 3/6/2021 11:39 AM, Russell James wrote:

I can also confirm similar experience with using Firefox nightly on an Intel based system with plenty of CPU and memory

Seems a little worse lately like in the last few weeks happening almost once a day

Using many many windows in Firefox with many tabs in each

Also using no script the script blocker and usually only allowing scripts temporarily on the tabs I'm actively using

Lately it seems like more drastic measures are required like power cycling the system however in the past restarting nvda used to work

Russ


On Sat, Mar 6, 2021, 10:19 AM Giles Turnbull <giles.turnbull@...> wrote:
I experience this, usually a couple of times per day. For me, NVDA is too inactive to use Task Manager to see what process is seizing-up my laptop or tablet. I don't have a desktop shortcut to kill the Firefox process because I didn't know Firefox was to blame. Usually using the Alt+Shift+n shortcut to force NVDA to re-start will work and, as long as I use that brief moment of NVDA life to close a few programs that I figured might be responsible (Firefox and WinAmp and word) I can make sure that I have any unsaved documents saved before re-starting my computer.

I do use Chrome as well as Firefox, but since Firefox is still running with its tabs open when I also use Chrome, I don't know whether this happens if I'd only used Chrome that day. I much prefer the Firefox browser.

I'm using the latest Firefox (86.0) and the latest stable NVDA (2020.4) on both a Surface Pro 4 tablet and an Asus gaming laptop, both using Intel processors and 8Gb memory.

Giles
Giles

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Re: For those using Security Suites or Mail Classifiers that Change the Subject Line #adminnotice

 

OOPS, a critical typo.  I wrote that you'll enter *@groups.io.   Nuke that at sign.   It's just:   *groups.io.

You want anything that ends in groups.io in the To field to never be sent to spam.  There are To: addresses like the one for this group, which shows in my messages as nvda@nvda.groups.io, and others that are shorter, e.g, blindandroidusers@groups.io.

It simply does not matter what comes before "groups.io," just that the To: address ends with "groups.io."
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Re: For those using Security Suites or Mail Classifiers that Change the Subject Line #adminnotice

 

Louise, and anyone using Gmail (whether via webmail or in an e-mail client),

See my tutorial:  Creating IMAP Labels (Folders) and Filters for Gmail

The tutorial is quite lengthy, as I'm trying to cover a wide range of possibilities.  You do NOT have to read the whole thing, from beginning to end.  Instead, proceed as noted below.

You can skip from step one, where you log in to Gmail on the web and get into settings, straight to step six, which is where the step-by-step instructions for creating filters begins.  For this exercise you will not be creating labels/folders, but just a filter that makes sure that anything originating from Groups.io will not be classified as spam.

At step 8, you will be using the To field, in which you'll enter:  *@groups.io
then move along directly to Step 9.

At step 9, you will activate the Never send it to Spam option, and only that option.

Then proceed immediately to navigate to and activate the Create Filter button, and you're done.

Now, any message that comes into your Gmail account that is from any groups.io group should never end up in Spam, but land in your inbox, regardless of anything that might otherwise normally cause a spam filter to trigger.
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Re: For those using Security Suites or Mail Classifiers that Change the Subject Line #adminnotice

Louise Pfau
 

Hi Brian.  I got the "[Suspected Spam]" modifier on one of the NVDA messages this morning.  This is the first time I've seen this happen.  I've had to report some of the groups.io messages as "not spam" when they ended up in the "Spam" folder.

Thanks,

Louise


Re: Is There a Memory Leak when NVDA Works with FireFox?

Lukasz Golonka
 

This is already reported against Firefox here:
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1572915

The discussion onn this bug report is rather technical but the short
version is that this hang has been confirmed by multiple users with NVDA
but it is very hard to track down the cuase.

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Re: Is There a Memory Leak when NVDA Works with FireFox?

 

The folks at Mozilla use a dedicated 

Bugzilla
page for their own product line.  They also tend to care both about accessibility and bugs.

Here is the actual Search Page for issues, and you choose the product, Firefox in this case, from the Product dropdown.

I can't find anything related to NVDA that appears to be related to the issue being discussed here, but there are 26 open bugs.  I have not written a bug/issue report in Bugzilla in ages, so I'd have to read the documentation about how to do so if I wanted to.

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Re: Is There a Memory Leak when NVDA Works with FireFox?

Bob Cavanaugh <cavbob1993@...>
 

I definitely think this is a Firefox issue as well. When I use
radioinsight.com daily. I open everything in new windows, and usually
by the time I get to that site I only have one other tab in the main
window open. The limit seems to be about five windows before Firefox
becomes especially unusable, which is much less than IE. The number of
windows opened before Firefox slows down depends on the site for me,
but yes, this is incredibly annoying, particularly on RI on a heavy
news day which there haven't been a tone of lately.

On 3/6/21, enes sarıbaş <enes.saribas@gmail.com> wrote:
I think it does. NVDA is noticeably less responsive in Firefox than Chrome.

On 3/6/2021 12:06 AM, Dzhovani wrote:
Hi all,

I've had this issue for some time, but I haven't seen anyone
mentioning it so I decided to ask if I'm the only one having it.

If I keep firefox opened for sufficiently long time, NVDA hangs and
gets unresponsive. Restarting NVDA does not help, while killing the
firefox process from task manager immediately unlocks nvda. I don't
use chrome based browsers enough to observe if it is the same there as
well.

Versions of NVDA and FireFox are the latest.

Some usage patterns that might be related are that I'm usually keeping
messenger opened in a private window. I think that the hanging got
some more frequent since Facebook banned messaging from their mobile
website. Since then the hanging happen around once in a day instead of
once in a few days.

Regards,

Dzhovani










Re: For those using Security Suites or Mail Classifiers that Change the Subject Line #adminnotice

 

Louise,

          There is no "Not spam" button for the inbox, as if something lands in the inbox, Gmail does not consider it to be spam to begin with.  There is an actual spam/mark as spam button in the inbox in case they missed something.

           In the case of someone who is using the Gmail web interface, the very topic of this message is irrelevant.  Gmail does not use the subject line in any way to differentiate between spam/not spam or even classification into labels/folders.

            I really don't know what specific software is in use that puts the various bits within square brackets at the start of the subject line, and I'm not talking about the group identifier itself, which is put there by Groups.io.  I've just noticed recently that lots of topics are being split on several groups because things like, "[spam]," or, "[Suspected Spam]," or "[External]," are being stuck on the front of the subject lines.  And I'm virtually certain that it's not human intervention that's putting those there.  A spam and general filtering program I haven't used for at least 15 years now, Popfile, used to have an option that would do this to subject lines, but I don't know of anyone using it anymore and doubt that's what's going on here.
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Re: For those using Security Suites or Mail Classifiers that Change the Subject Line #adminnotice

Jackie
 

Louise, you do this from your spam folder, ie, if a groups.io message
ends up there, then just press the "not spam" button.

On 3/6/21, Louise Pfau <louise.pfau@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Brian.  I'm using the gmail web interface.  Is there a way to report a
message as "not spam" from the inbox?  There is a button to do this in the
"Spam" folder.  Is the "report spam" function the same as the white list
function you mentioned?

Thanks,

Louise





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Re: For those using Security Suites or Mail Classifiers that Change the Subject Line #adminnotice

Louise Pfau
 

Hi Brian.  I'm using the gmail web interface.  Is there a way to report a message as "not spam" from the inbox?  There is a button to do this in the "Spam" folder.  Is the "report spam" function the same as the white list function you mentioned?

Thanks,

Louise

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