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Re: For those using Security Suites or Mail Classifiers that Change the Subject Line #adminnotice

 

Louise,

          There is no "Not spam" button for the inbox, as if something lands in the inbox, Gmail does not consider it to be spam to begin with.  There is an actual spam/mark as spam button in the inbox in case they missed something.

           In the case of someone who is using the Gmail web interface, the very topic of this message is irrelevant.  Gmail does not use the subject line in any way to differentiate between spam/not spam or even classification into labels/folders.

            I really don't know what specific software is in use that puts the various bits within square brackets at the start of the subject line, and I'm not talking about the group identifier itself, which is put there by Groups.io.  I've just noticed recently that lots of topics are being split on several groups because things like, "[spam]," or, "[Suspected Spam]," or "[External]," are being stuck on the front of the subject lines.  And I'm virtually certain that it's not human intervention that's putting those there.  A spam and general filtering program I haven't used for at least 15 years now, Popfile, used to have an option that would do this to subject lines, but I don't know of anyone using it anymore and doubt that's what's going on here.
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Re: For those using Security Suites or Mail Classifiers that Change the Subject Line #adminnotice

Jackie
 

Louise, you do this from your spam folder, ie, if a groups.io message
ends up there, then just press the "not spam" button.

On 3/6/21, Louise Pfau <louise.pfau@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Brian.  I'm using the gmail web interface.  Is there a way to report a
message as "not spam" from the inbox?  There is a button to do this in the
"Spam" folder.  Is the "report spam" function the same as the white list
function you mentioned?

Thanks,

Louise





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Re: For those using Security Suites or Mail Classifiers that Change the Subject Line #adminnotice

Louise Pfau
 

Hi Brian.  I'm using the gmail web interface.  Is there a way to report a message as "not spam" from the inbox?  There is a button to do this in the "Spam" folder.  Is the "report spam" function the same as the white list function you mentioned?

Thanks,

Louise


Re: Is There a Memory Leak when NVDA Works with FireFox?

enes sarıbaş
 

I think it does. NVDA is noticeably less responsive in Firefox than Chrome.

On 3/6/2021 12:06 AM, Dzhovani wrote:
Hi all,

I've had this issue for some time, but I haven't seen anyone mentioning it so I decided to ask if I'm the only one having it.

If I keep firefox opened for sufficiently long time, NVDA hangs and gets unresponsive. Restarting NVDA does not help, while killing the firefox process from task manager immediately unlocks nvda. I don't use chrome based browsers enough to observe if it is the same there as well.

Versions of NVDA and FireFox are the latest.

Some usage patterns that might be related are that I'm usually keeping messenger opened in a private window. I think that the hanging got some more frequent since Facebook banned messaging from their mobile website. Since then the hanging happen around once in a day instead of once in a few days.

Regards,

Dzhovani





Re: Is There a Memory Leak when NVDA Works with FireFox?

Russell James
 

I don't know for sure but my guess is that it is Firefox not NVDA.

This problem has come and gone and is back again.
While there were several versions of Firefox Nightly updates
NVDA was stable and not updating for a long time until the recent release.
This problem was happening before and continues after the recent NVDA release.

It sounds like other users are not having the problem when using other browsers.

Russ


On Sat, Mar 6, 2021 at 1:49 PM Dzhovani <dzhovani.chemishanov@...> wrote:
Russell,
The first question is if the bug is in NVDA or in Firefox. Firefox exposes an api that NVDA consumes, however, it is as possible that firefox sends bad data as it is that nvda mishandles what it receives.


Re: Is There a Memory Leak when NVDA Works with FireFox?

Dzhovani
 

Russell,
The first question is if the bug is in NVDA or in Firefox. Firefox exposes an api that NVDA consumes, however, it is as possible that firefox sends bad data as it is that nvda mishandles what it receives.


Re: Is There a Memory Leak when NVDA Works with FireFox?

Russell James
 

Does anyone know if this has been reported or how to report it to mozilla?

Hopefully this can be fixed

I have more problems with chrome than I do with Firefox

Russ


On Sat, Mar 6, 2021, 12:52 PM Dzhovani <dzhovani.chemishanov@...> wrote:
Giles, Russell,
If you put the device to sleep and re-awake it, it will give you around a minute to open the task manager and kill the process. It will save you the full reboot.
HTH,
Dzhovani


Re: Is There a Memory Leak when NVDA Works with FireFox?

Dzhovani
 

Giles, Russell,
If you put the device to sleep and re-awake it, it will give you around a minute to open the task manager and kill the process. It will save you the full reboot.
HTH,
Dzhovani


Re: Is There a Memory Leak when NVDA Works with FireFox?

 

Hmmm this is a concern.

I thought it was all of waterfox but if its a mozilla code thing then thats a problem.

For now waterfox 20.08 is fine with noscript classic but security wize I can't really stay here.

Chrome is ok but some sites I use like my computer shop impliment everything under a mouse over link and on waterfox the actual links pop up, on chrome things become a bit weird to use.

But maybe chromium is the only way to go, a pitty because I always liked the mozilla system.

Its a pitty there isn't an classic brouser using the pre quantom engine.

It worked well enough and didn't use uia at all which I have issue with.

Even if I had something old for nonsecure stuff it would be ok I guess.



On 7/03/2021 5:39 am, Russell James wrote:

I can also confirm similar experience with using Firefox nightly on an Intel based system with plenty of CPU and memory

Seems a little worse lately like in the last few weeks happening almost once a day

Using many many windows in Firefox with many tabs in each

Also using no script the script blocker and usually only allowing scripts temporarily on the tabs I'm actively using

Lately it seems like more drastic measures are required like power cycling the system however in the past restarting nvda used to work

Russ


On Sat, Mar 6, 2021, 10:19 AM Giles Turnbull <giles.turnbull@...> wrote:
I experience this, usually a couple of times per day. For me, NVDA is too inactive to use Task Manager to see what process is seizing-up my laptop or tablet. I don't have a desktop shortcut to kill the Firefox process because I didn't know Firefox was to blame. Usually using the Alt+Shift+n shortcut to force NVDA to re-start will work and, as long as I use that brief moment of NVDA life to close a few programs that I figured might be responsible (Firefox and WinAmp and word) I can make sure that I have any unsaved documents saved before re-starting my computer.

I do use Chrome as well as Firefox, but since Firefox is still running with its tabs open when I also use Chrome, I don't know whether this happens if I'd only used Chrome that day. I much prefer the Firefox browser.

I'm using the latest Firefox (86.0) and the latest stable NVDA (2020.4) on both a Surface Pro 4 tablet and an Asus gaming laptop, both using Intel processors and 8Gb memory.

Giles
Giles


Re: Is There a Memory Leak when NVDA Works with FireFox?

Russell James
 

I can also confirm similar experience with using Firefox nightly on an Intel based system with plenty of CPU and memory

Seems a little worse lately like in the last few weeks happening almost once a day

Using many many windows in Firefox with many tabs in each

Also using no script the script blocker and usually only allowing scripts temporarily on the tabs I'm actively using

Lately it seems like more drastic measures are required like power cycling the system however in the past restarting nvda used to work

Russ


On Sat, Mar 6, 2021, 10:19 AM Giles Turnbull <giles.turnbull@...> wrote:
I experience this, usually a couple of times per day. For me, NVDA is too inactive to use Task Manager to see what process is seizing-up my laptop or tablet. I don't have a desktop shortcut to kill the Firefox process because I didn't know Firefox was to blame. Usually using the Alt+Shift+n shortcut to force NVDA to re-start will work and, as long as I use that brief moment of NVDA life to close a few programs that I figured might be responsible (Firefox and WinAmp and word) I can make sure that I have any unsaved documents saved before re-starting my computer.

I do use Chrome as well as Firefox, but since Firefox is still running with its tabs open when I also use Chrome, I don't know whether this happens if I'd only used Chrome that day. I much prefer the Firefox browser.

I'm using the latest Firefox (86.0) and the latest stable NVDA (2020.4) on both a Surface Pro 4 tablet and an Asus gaming laptop, both using Intel processors and 8Gb memory.

Giles
Giles


For those using Security Suites or Mail Classifiers that Change the Subject Line #adminnotice

 

There seems to be a recent uptick, and not only in the NVDA group, of topics being split because whatever "takes a look at incoming email" before it lands in your inbox is adding things like, "[SUSPECTED SPAM]," in front of the original subject line.  This causes topics to be split, sometimes multiple times.

Messages from any group to which you subscribe from any email service, not just Groups.io, are by definition not spam.  You don't get these messages unless you've asked for them.

I am asking anyone who uses this sort of software to please add nvda.groups.io into their whitelist of allowed domains (or whatever terminology your specific product uses to say, "If this message originates from this place, don't classify it as spam.")  If you have other groups.io subscriptions you may just want to add any domain that ends in groups.io.  Also do this for any other subscription email services you're using.  This prevents incorrect spam classification and unintentional topic splitting.
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Re: Is There a Memory Leak when NVDA Works with FireFox?

JM Casey
 

I haven’t experienced this yet so I don’t know what to say about that. But you can always use the taskkill command to close processes if task manager is too slow/unresponsive.

Taskkill /im firefox.exe /f

should terminate all firefox processes.

 

You can also use the tasklist command to get a list of all processes and their memory usage. You’ll need to run this in command prompt to get visible output.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Giles Turnbull
Sent: March 6, 2021 10:19 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: **** [SUSPECTED SPAM] ****Re: [nvda] Is There a Memory Leak when NVDA Works with FireFox?

 

I experience this, usually a couple of times per day. For me, NVDA is too inactive to use Task Manager to see what process is seizing-up my laptop or tablet. I don't have a desktop shortcut to kill the Firefox process because I didn't know Firefox was to blame. Usually using the Alt+Shift+n shortcut to force NVDA to re-start will work and, as long as I use that brief moment of NVDA life to close a few programs that I figured might be responsible (Firefox and WinAmp and word) I can make sure that I have any unsaved documents saved before re-starting my computer.

I do use Chrome as well as Firefox, but since Firefox is still running with its tabs open when I also use Chrome, I don't know whether this happens if I'd only used Chrome that day. I much prefer the Firefox browser.

I'm using the latest Firefox (86.0) and the latest stable NVDA (2020.4) on both a Surface Pro 4 tablet and an Asus gaming laptop, both using Intel processors and 8Gb memory.

Giles
Giles


Re: microsoft team with NVDA screen reader

Michael Micallef at FITA
 

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of anthony borg via groups.io
Sent: Saturday, March 6, 2021 1:41 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] microsoft team with NVDA screen reader

 

CAUTION: This email originated from OUTSIDE the Government Email Infrastructure. DO NOT CLICK LINKS or OPEN attachments unless you recognise the sender and know the content is safe.

 

Hello

 

Does anyone use Microsoft Team with NVDA screen reader please? If so can you contact me of list.

Anthonyborg001@...

Thanks in advance

 

Anthony


Re: Is There a Memory Leak when NVDA Works with FireFox?

Giles Turnbull
 

I experience this, usually a couple of times per day. For me, NVDA is too inactive to use Task Manager to see what process is seizing-up my laptop or tablet. I don't have a desktop shortcut to kill the Firefox process because I didn't know Firefox was to blame. Usually using the Alt+Shift+n shortcut to force NVDA to re-start will work and, as long as I use that brief moment of NVDA life to close a few programs that I figured might be responsible (Firefox and WinAmp and word) I can make sure that I have any unsaved documents saved before re-starting my computer.

I do use Chrome as well as Firefox, but since Firefox is still running with its tabs open when I also use Chrome, I don't know whether this happens if I'd only used Chrome that day. I much prefer the Firefox browser.

I'm using the latest Firefox (86.0) and the latest stable NVDA (2020.4) on both a Surface Pro 4 tablet and an Asus gaming laptop, both using Intel processors and 8Gb memory.

Giles
Giles


Re: Is There a Memory Leak when NVDA Works with FireFox?

Dzhovani
 

Hi,
Thanks for confirming. I have no issue with killing the fox, just it interrupts some sessions and it is breaking my flow.


Re: microsoft team with NVDA screen reader

David Goldfield
 

Hello. If you’re referring to Microsoft Teams then I can tell you that I am one of the many Teams users who uses the program with screen readers, including NVDA. For several reasons I am not able to engage in off-list conversations as I don’t have the time to provide one on one support. However, if your questions are specifically related to NVDA and its interaction with Teams I would imagine this list is an appropriate place to ask your questions. If your question is more specific to Teams and how to use it with screen readers in general you are free to join the Teams-access list, which I own. To subscribe, send email to

Teams-access+subscribe@groups.io

 

Asking questions on a mailing list is much better than engaging in a dialog with an individual. Asking on a list appropriate for the question means that more people can respond and can give you more information than you might otherwise get from a one on one dialog. Those who may be interested in the topic also benefit from the discussion. Finally, group messages are archived, allowing people who may have similar questions to read the exchange later on when they need the information.

 

David Goldfield,

Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist

JAWS Certified, 2019

Subscribe to the Tech-VI announcement list to receive emails regarding news and events in the blindness assistive technology field.

Email: tech-vi+subscribe@groups.io

 

www.DavidGoldfield.org

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of anthony borg
Sent: Saturday, March 6, 2021 7:41 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] microsoft team with NVDA screen reader

 

Hello

 

Does anyone use Microsoft Team with NVDA screen reader please? If so can you contact me of list.

Anthonyborg001@...

Thanks in advance

 

Anthony


microsoft team with NVDA screen reader

anthony borg
 

Hello

 

Does anyone use Microsoft Team with NVDA screen reader please? If so can you contact me of list.

Anthonyborg001@...

Thanks in advance

 

Anthony


Re: Is There a Memory Leak when NVDA Works with FireFox?

 

Well have wandered with waterfox on my amd to.

Version 2020.08 works but is the last version to work even at a reduced rate with the cpu fan and such, after that websites like hp.com don't render right and resilio sync doesn't render right either.

A lot of extra crashes go on to though waterfox has gotten more unstable in recent times, but I just like the layout so I stick with this older version.

On 6/03/2021 8:26 pm, Luke Davis wrote:
A few things of note.

1. Yes, I've seen this, although not generally on the last five or so major versions of Firefox.

2. I keep a shortcut on my desktop which calls taskkill on firefox.exe, and has a keyboard shortcut (control+alt+k), for just such circumstances.

3. When this has happened on my laptops, I would start to notice the fan speeding up to maximum, and then never slowing back down. The machine would become nearly unusable. This would only happen on certain websites. Getresponse.com was one, but I believe I also observed it, at least to a partial extent, on Facebook, though I don't use Facebook web enough to be sure.

4. This problem, under various descriptions, has been reported here before, and may even have some Github issues about it, although I don't have time to research whether that's true right now.

5. While I don't know if this is related, I can say that I experienced this at its worst, on AMD processors. My Intel machine seemed a bit more resilient with it, or it never got as all-consuming as it was with the AMDs. But I have no idea if that is indicative, or just a usage pattern difference.

I know of no solution to this other than to assassinate the fox when it happens. I also don't know if it is strictly an NVDA thing, or if other screen readers experience it as well.

Luke




Re: Is There a Memory Leak when NVDA Works with FireFox?

Luke Davis
 

A few things of note.

1. Yes, I've seen this, although not generally on the last five or so major versions of Firefox.

2. I keep a shortcut on my desktop which calls taskkill on firefox.exe, and has a keyboard shortcut (control+alt+k), for just such circumstances.

3. When this has happened on my laptops, I would start to notice the fan speeding up to maximum, and then never slowing back down. The machine would become nearly unusable. This would only happen on certain websites. Getresponse.com was one, but I believe I also observed it, at least to a partial extent, on Facebook, though I don't use Facebook web enough to be sure.

4. This problem, under various descriptions, has been reported here before, and may even have some Github issues about it, although I don't have time to research whether that's true right now.

5. While I don't know if this is related, I can say that I experienced this at its worst, on AMD processors. My Intel machine seemed a bit more resilient with it, or it never got as all-consuming as it was with the AMDs. But I have no idea if that is indicative, or just a usage pattern difference.

I know of no solution to this other than to assassinate the fox when it happens. I also don't know if it is strictly an NVDA thing, or if other screen readers experience it as well.

Luke


Is There a Memory Leak when NVDA Works with FireFox?

Dzhovani
 

Hi all,

I've had this issue for some time, but I haven't seen anyone mentioning it so I decided to ask if I'm the only one having it.

If I keep firefox opened for sufficiently long time, NVDA hangs and gets unresponsive. Restarting NVDA does not help, while killing the firefox process from task manager immediately unlocks nvda. I don't use chrome based browsers enough to observe if it is the same there as well.

Versions of NVDA and FireFox are the latest.

Some usage patterns that might be related are that I'm usually keeping messenger opened in a private window. I think that the hanging got some more frequent since Facebook banned messaging from their mobile website. Since then the hanging happen around once in a day instead of once in a few days.

Regards,

Dzhovani

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