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Re: Access regarding email with quotations and screen readers, NVDA, in this case

Rob Hudson
 

It's called a block quote. Most screen readers have a hot key for it, usually the letter q.
In NVDA, press comma, and it jumps out of the container--in this case, a block quote.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian Vogel" <britechguy@gmail.com>
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2020 14:37:48 -0700
Subject: [nvda] Access regarding email with quotations and screen readers, NVDA, in this case

I don't know whether this is something NVDA (or any screen reader) should address, or if the issue should be solved elsewhere, but a screen reader then able to pick up the change.

It is very, very common practice for e-mail conversations to take on a "quote, reply, quote, reply, quote, reply" format. This is all the more true when a very long exchange is taking place, involving multiple participants, and it would be entirely unclear what was being responded to without retaining something from a prior message or messages to set the stage.

In "the old days" of plain text email, quotation was indicated by the presence of the greater than character, >, at the beginning of a line and the number of greater thans indicated how many times something had been quoted, as there are often quotes that quote previous quotes. While this certainly worked, it was visually very messy as quote depth increased.

Now in the age of HTML e-mail, the use of characters to indicate quotation has gone by the wayside and now visual bars are used in much the same manner. They're semi-transparent and for each requotation another bar appears, so if someone had quoted someone else who had already quoted someone before them, there would be three bars stacked, to show who quoted what.

In any event, for those of us who can see, we are able to scan the page visually and jump almost instantly to the new material that resides beneath each quote sequence after reading whatever portion of the quoted material they need to in order to get themselves up to speed before reading that new material.

I have never found a way for a screen reader user to do "direct jumps" to new material with a screen reader. Screen readers don't seem to differentiate in any meaningful way between quoted and fresh material, and give screen reader users a way to jump between chunks of that fresh material when they wish to do so.

Am I missing something? Is there already a way this can be done with ease? If there is, I don't know what it is and I have plenty of evidence that most screen reader users don't, either, even those who've been using them for a very, very long time.

If there isn't, is there some roadblock to making a screen reader able to recognize where quoted text ends and new material begins? Since there has to be something behind the scenes that creates those bar structures that I see, I have to believe that a screen reader has access to that same information, and that it would be relatively simply (note, relatively) to create a keyboard shortcut that causes all quoted material to be skipped and focus thrown to the first word of the unquoted material after it.

I've been using e-mail since the 1980s, and I can say without question that the custom in the blind community of putting all new content at the top is not even close to universal. And given how well a "quote response quote response" format is for sighted email users, it's never going to go away. It seems there should be some way for screen reader users to do the rough equivalent of reading whatever part of the quoted material they might wish, but after having heard it being able to jump instantly past any that follows where they've stopped and go straight to the new material beneath the quote.

I know that there are a number of regulars here who are NVDA developers, add-on developers, or similarly positioned to have a lot of insight about this, so I'm asking.

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Re: Windows OneCore voices don't appear correctly in the list of synthesizers

Louise Pfau
 

Hi Joseph.  Sorry about that.  I've already tried to send the log.  Thanks for the information about JAWS.

Louise


Re: Windows OneCore voices don't appear correctly in the list of synthesizers

 

Hi,

No need to send the log to me as the issue was resolved.

As for JAWS 16, to digress a bit, I recommend not using that anymore as JAWS 16 is no longer supported by Vispero in an active basis. Besides, JAWS 16 came out before Windows 10 made its public debut in July 2015 (JAWS 16 came out in 2014), so from a practical viewpoint, JAWS 16 is incompatible with Windows 10 – you will need at least JAWS 17 for slightly better functionality, and if using Windows 10 May 2020 Update, JAWS 2019 or later is a must. I won’t go into specific details as this is not a JAWS list (I can do so on a dedicated Windows 10 forum which I lead).

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Louise Pfau
Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2020 3:03 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows OneCore voices don't appear correctly in the list of synthesizers

 

Hi Joseph.  Unchecking the "Compatibility for" checkbox fixed the issue.  I also did that with JAWS 16.  The Microsoft disability answer desk agent had checked both boxes in an attempt to resolve the issue of Microsoft Edge and Google Chrom crashing with JAWS and NVDA.  I'll report the conflit with the synthesizers to them.  In the meantime, I'll try to send you the complete NVDA log privately again.

Thanks,

Louise


Re: Windows OneCore voices don't appear correctly in the list of synthesizers

Louise Pfau
 

Hi Joseph.  Unchecking the "Compatibility for" checkbox fixed the issue.  I also did that with JAWS 16.  The Microsoft disability answer desk agent had checked both boxes in an attempt to resolve the issue of Microsoft Edge and Google Chrom crashing with JAWS and NVDA.  I'll report the conflit with the synthesizers to them.  In the meantime, I'll try to send you the complete NVDA log privately again.

Thanks,

Louise


Re: Access regarding email with quotations and screen readers, NVDA, in this case

Tyler Spivey
 

On 8/26/2020 2:37 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
I have never found a way for a screen reader user to do "direct jumps"
to new material with a screen reader.  Screen readers don't seem to
differentiate in any meaningful way between quoted and fresh material,
and give screen reader users a way to jump between chunks of that fresh
material when they wish to do so.

Am I missing something?   Is there already a way this can be done with
ease?  If there is, I don't know what it is and I have plenty of
evidence that most screen reader users don't, either, even those who've
been using them for a very, very long time.
I use Thunderbird, and it turns quotes into block quotes.
I can hit , to skip to the end of them. There used to be a setting to
turn it off and leave the >, but it doesn't seem to work anymore.


Re: NVDA read-to-end

David Goldfield
 

Hi. While Espeak does ship with NVDA the default synthesizer is Windows Onecore from Microsoft. Are you actually using the Espeak voices or the Onecore voices?

David Goldfield,
Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist
JAWS Certified, 2019

WWW.DavidGoldfield.org
On 8/26/2020 3:44 PM, Hettie wrote:

David

Thanks for the reply. I use the synthesizer that comes with nvda, think it is Espeak.


Hettie


On 2020/08/25 11:25 pm, David Goldfield wrote:

Hettie,

First, I do recall encountering this issue with LibreOffice but this was many years ago. I'll give it a try with NVDA 2020.2 with LibreOffice 7.0, which was recently released. Also, which synthesizer are you using? I ask because Acapela recently released a new version of its NVDA driver which they report corrects a read all issue although they did not go into specifics as to what the problem actually was.


David Goldfield,
Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist
www.DavidGoldfield.org
On 8/25/2020 2:23 PM, Hettie wrote:

Hi Quintin

After trying the read-to-end in thunderbird and wordpad it seems to be a problem with LibreOffice. I can't upgrade to Microsoft Office 10 and tried LibreOffice  as an alternative as it has a word processor as well as a spread sheet unction. Wordpad can perform all I need but I need another program that can read and work with Excel, anyone has ideas of what other accessible software I can use?


Thanks


Hettie

 

On 2020/08/25 6:54 am, Quentin Christensen wrote:
Are you using NVDA in desktop keyboard layout or laptop keyboard layout?  NVDA+down arrow is the Desktop layout keystroke to read to end.  NVDA+a is the laptop keyboard layout shortcut.

To make it a bit more confusing, NVDA+down arrow, in laptop keyboard layout, moves the review cursor to the next line, so if you are in laptop layout and press that keystroke, it will seem like you've entered the read to end command and NVDA is simply reading the next line down and then stopping.

If you are definitely in desktop keyboard layout and NVDA is stopping partway through a paragraph, could you please give a bit more information about the exact program you are in or where it does and does not work?

Kind regards

Quentin.
Quentin.

On Sun, Aug 23, 2020 at 4:27 AM Hettie <woehler.hettie@...> wrote:

Hi all

Sorry, I didn't pay attention when this topic was discussed in earlier posts as I haven't come accross that problem then.

Now however I do experience nvda reading to the end of the paragraph when pressing the nvda + down-arrow keys. Unfortunately I haven't seen a post with the solution. Can you please help ?

Thanks.


Hettie



On 2020/08/21 2:25 pm, Ralf Kefferpuetz wrote:

Hello,

Go to the NVDA icon in the systray by pressing Windows-B (on your Mac keyboard Option-B), hit the letter N until you come to NVDA and press Enter

 

Cheers,

  Ralf

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Hicks Steven (CORNWALL IT SERVICES) via groups.io
Sent: Freitag, 21. August 2020 13:54
To: NVDA@NVDA.Groups.IO
Subject: [nvda] NVDA Menu

 

Hi friends,

 

I Have installed NVDA on a machine which has a bluetooth keyboard and I can’t find the insert key, not sure if it has one, it is the Apple style layout.

I Need to bring up the NVDA menu to go in to the options and change the keyboard layout to be laptop but I can’t perform an instert+n, does anyone know of another way to bring up the NVDA menu please?

 



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Access regarding email with quotations and screen readers, NVDA, in this case

 

I don't know whether this is something NVDA (or any screen reader) should address, or if the issue should be solved elsewhere, but a screen reader then able to pick up the change.

It is very, very common practice for e-mail conversations to take on a "quote, reply, quote, reply, quote, reply" format.  This is all the more true when a very long exchange is taking place, involving multiple participants, and it would be entirely unclear what was being responded to without retaining something from a prior message or messages to set the stage.

In "the old days" of plain text email, quotation was indicated by the presence of the greater than character, >, at the beginning of a line and the number of greater thans indicated how many times something had been quoted, as there are often quotes that quote previous quotes.  While this certainly worked, it was visually very messy as quote depth increased.

Now in the age of HTML e-mail, the use of characters to indicate quotation has gone by the wayside and now visual bars are used in much the same manner.  They're semi-transparent and for each requotation another bar appears, so if someone had quoted someone else who had already quoted someone before them, there would be three bars stacked, to show who quoted what.

In any event, for those of us who can see, we are able to scan the page visually and jump almost instantly to the new material that resides beneath each quote sequence after reading whatever portion of the quoted material they need to in order to get themselves up to speed before reading that new material.

I have never found a way for a screen reader user to do "direct jumps" to new material with a screen reader.  Screen readers don't seem to differentiate in any meaningful way between quoted and fresh material, and give screen reader users a way to jump between chunks of that fresh material when they wish to do so.

Am I missing something?   Is there already a way this can be done with ease?  If there is, I don't know what it is and I have plenty of evidence that most screen reader users don't, either, even those who've been using them for a very, very long time.

If there isn't, is there some roadblock to making a screen reader able to recognize where quoted text ends and new material begins?  Since there has to be something behind the scenes that creates those bar structures that I see, I have to believe that a screen reader has access to that same information, and that it would be relatively simply (note, relatively) to create a keyboard shortcut that causes all quoted material to be skipped and focus thrown to the first word of the unquoted material after it. 

I've been using e-mail since the 1980s, and I can say without question that the custom in the blind community of putting all new content at the top is not even close to universal.  And given how well a "quote response quote response" format is for sighted email users, it's never going to go away.  It seems there should be some way for screen reader users to do the rough equivalent of reading whatever part of the quoted material they might wish, but after having heard it being able to jump instantly past any that follows where they've stopped and go straight to the new material beneath the quote.

I know that there are a number of regulars here who are NVDA developers, add-on developers, or similarly positioned to have a lot of insight about this, so I'm asking.

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Re: Accessible note taking apps

Sean
 

Google Keep has been great.

Thank you for your help.

On 24/08/2020 23:23, Arlene wrote:

Hi there: Why don’t you google it? I’m not sure when evernot came about. If you are still using xp and liking it. Just google it.  The reason I say this. People wil tell you that xp is too old and not secure enough.  If you know someone who will google it or you have some other device that you can use. Just google  your question. 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: zahra
Sent: August 24, 2020 3:25 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessible note taking apps

 

does evernote support screen reader?

does it work on windows xp?

i need a program which i can write, or copy peist and have important

informations.

 

On 8/23/20, Sean <s.tolstoyevski@...> wrote:

> Submitted answers for writing plaintext / code / IDE.

> So yes, the built-in Notepad can be used to take notes.

> You may have created a good note-taking environment when you divide the

> topics into different folders.

> But people don't take notes that way. And this is not a portable method.

> You are reading an article on any website. You want to save the article

> somewhere. Perhaps there are sentences to underline.

> Nothing on the web is likely to stay the way you first found it. Some

> contents die. And those contents can be very important.

> This is why people use applications such as OneNote and Evernote.

> You can tag notes in those applications, you can save websites content ,

> and you can connect between notes...

> These features are not what notepad supports.

> And most of these apps also have a mobile app.

> This way, people can take new notes, update, delete, etc., even while on

> the go.

> If you know of such an application, please let me know.

> If there is still no note-taking application available, I'll write it in

> Golang.

> I can not believe this. Maybe I've tested 10 apps and none of them are

> compatible with screen readers. We are in the 21st century. It's so scary.

> On 23/08/2020 17:31, Akash Kakkar wrote:

>> Bro, what about accessibility? are they reasonably accessible?

>> 

>> On 8/23/2020 6:35 PM, Hope Williamson wrote:

>>> Hi, I use a service for saving links, which sounds like what your

>>> wanting to do, so you can go back and read them whenever you need to

>>> remember them. I use https://linklocker.co, but there are plenty of

>>> other services like this out there, such as https://pinboard.in.

>>> 

>>>    These are web-based services, but they both work extremely well.

>>> I've had success with using both of them at times.

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

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Re: Problems with capslock as NVDA modifier

Gene
 

When the caps lock key is activated here, I gget a message saying caps lock on. I get a message saying caps lock off when I turn it off. I'm not sure why you aren't hearing a message. Also, NVDA emits a sound if the caps lock is on and you type a carachter holding down the shift key to alert you that it is on in case it is unintentionally on.

I'll say this though I imagine you know it, but not knowing what you know, I don't want to assume. Be careful not to press the key twice quickly, since that turns caps lock on and off.

If you don't hear the beep I described nor hear any spoken announcement, I'm not sure why, but let the list know.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Janet Brandly
Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2020 2:03 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Problems with capslock as NVDA modifier



Hello all,



I am using the latest NVDA with Windows 10 2004 on a laptop. I have the capslock set as the NVDA modifier. Occasionally the capslock key will activate and I end up typing in all caps. I have no way of knowing this. I’ve checked the NVDA settings to be sure the capslock is set as the modifier and it is. Any suggestions?



Thanks,



Janet


Re: Problems with capslock as NVDA modifier

Chris
 

accidently hitting the caps lock key twice will enable caps lock

 

but you could try the setting: under settings > ease of access > keyboard >  Ignore brief or repeated keystrokes and change keyboard repeat rates

and enable it

 

 

From: Janet Brandly
Sent: 26 August 2020 20:03
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Problems with capslock as NVDA modifier

 

Hello all,

 

I am using the latest NVDA with Windows 10 2004 on a laptop. I have the capslock set as the NVDA modifier. Occasionally the capslock key will activate and I end up typing in all caps. I have no way of knowing this. I’ve checked the NVDA settings to be sure the capslock is set as the modifier and it is. Any suggestions?

 

Thanks,

 

Janet

 

 


Re: NVDA read-to-end

Hettie
 

David

Thanks for the reply. I use the synthesizer that comes with nvda, think it is Espeak.


Hettie


On 2020/08/25 11:25 pm, David Goldfield wrote:

Hettie,

First, I do recall encountering this issue with LibreOffice but this was many years ago. I'll give it a try with NVDA 2020.2 with LibreOffice 7.0, which was recently released. Also, which synthesizer are you using? I ask because Acapela recently released a new version of its NVDA driver which they report corrects a read all issue although they did not go into specifics as to what the problem actually was.


David Goldfield,
Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist
www.DavidGoldfield.org
On 8/25/2020 2:23 PM, Hettie wrote:

Hi Quintin

After trying the read-to-end in thunderbird and wordpad it seems to be a problem with LibreOffice. I can't upgrade to Microsoft Office 10 and tried LibreOffice  as an alternative as it has a word processor as well as a spread sheet unction. Wordpad can perform all I need but I need another program that can read and work with Excel, anyone has ideas of what other accessible software I can use?


Thanks


Hettie

 

On 2020/08/25 6:54 am, Quentin Christensen wrote:
Are you using NVDA in desktop keyboard layout or laptop keyboard layout?  NVDA+down arrow is the Desktop layout keystroke to read to end.  NVDA+a is the laptop keyboard layout shortcut.

To make it a bit more confusing, NVDA+down arrow, in laptop keyboard layout, moves the review cursor to the next line, so if you are in laptop layout and press that keystroke, it will seem like you've entered the read to end command and NVDA is simply reading the next line down and then stopping.

If you are definitely in desktop keyboard layout and NVDA is stopping partway through a paragraph, could you please give a bit more information about the exact program you are in or where it does and does not work?

Kind regards

Quentin.
Quentin.

On Sun, Aug 23, 2020 at 4:27 AM Hettie <woehler.hettie@...> wrote:

Hi all

Sorry, I didn't pay attention when this topic was discussed in earlier posts as I haven't come accross that problem then.

Now however I do experience nvda reading to the end of the paragraph when pressing the nvda + down-arrow keys. Unfortunately I haven't seen a post with the solution. Can you please help ?

Thanks.


Hettie



On 2020/08/21 2:25 pm, Ralf Kefferpuetz wrote:

Hello,

Go to the NVDA icon in the systray by pressing Windows-B (on your Mac keyboard Option-B), hit the letter N until you come to NVDA and press Enter

 

Cheers,

  Ralf

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Hicks Steven (CORNWALL IT SERVICES) via groups.io
Sent: Freitag, 21. August 2020 13:54
To: NVDA@NVDA.Groups.IO
Subject: [nvda] NVDA Menu

 

Hi friends,

 

I Have installed NVDA on a machine which has a bluetooth keyboard and I can’t find the insert key, not sure if it has one, it is the Apple style layout.

I Need to bring up the NVDA menu to go in to the options and change the keyboard layout to be laptop but I can’t perform an instert+n, does anyone know of another way to bring up the NVDA menu please?

 



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Re: Problems with capslock as NVDA modifier

Jackie
 

Janet, go to your keyboard settings in NVDA (NVDA + control + k), & tab to:
"Beep if typing lowercase letters when caps lock is on"
Make certain that box is checked, & press ok. At that point, you
should hear a beep when you press the shift key & caps lock is on
already.

On 8/26/20, Janet Brandly <jbrandly@shaw.ca> wrote:
Hello all,



I am using the latest NVDA with Windows 10 2004 on a laptop. I have the
capslock set as the NVDA modifier. Occasionally the capslock key will
activate and I end up typing in all caps. I have no way of knowing this.
I've checked the NVDA settings to be sure the capslock is set as the
modifier and it is. Any suggestions?



Thanks,



Janet






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Problems with capslock as NVDA modifier

Janet Brandly
 

Hello all,

 

I am using the latest NVDA with Windows 10 2004 on a laptop. I have the capslock set as the NVDA modifier. Occasionally the capslock key will activate and I end up typing in all caps. I have no way of knowing this. I’ve checked the NVDA settings to be sure the capslock is set as the modifier and it is. Any suggestions?

 

Thanks,

 

Janet

 


Issue with ObjPad and activation of objects which are reported as being off screen

Amir
 

Folks, I have an application which requires the invaluable ObjPad add-on for proper interaction. However, as I move through its objects in the ObjectNav mode, via the Right Arrow, and reach a certain point in the tree of objects, each press of Insert+5 indicates that the object is off screen. That means the objects which are off screen can't be activated or selected by pressing Space, Enter or NVDA+Enter. Interestingly, the objects which aren't off screen and are located before the first off-screen object don't exhibit this issue.
So my question is how we can force ObjPad or NVDA to move the focus to these objects for activation. I've tried NVDA+NumPadDivide but it doesn't work for off-screen objects either. Other ObjPad modes don't work with these objects as far as their activation is concerned.

Cheers,
Amir


Re: Python Anywhere and NVDA

 

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Re: NVDA read-to-end

Gene
 

Here is something you can try. I don't know if it will work in Libre Office but see if this is a good work around. It works in Word10 Starter. I don't know the laptop command. The desktop command is shift numpad insert numpad minus, the rightmost key on the top row of the numpad. In other words, hold shift and numpad insert and while doing so, press numpad minus. If you press it twice, it moves the carret to the focus of the object navigator. Be in object navigation mode. This won't work if you don't.

If you are inn object navigation, the entire document you open is seen by NVDA as one object. You can read from beginning to end with object navigation commands. To test whether this procedure works, do the following using laptop keyboard commands if you are using a laptop. I don't know them; I'll give the desktop commands.
Open a document. Start reading with read to end of navigator object, numpad plus. See if the document reads without interruption.
If you want to move to where you stop reading, the navigator will be there but if you want to work with the document and move the carret there, issue the command I gave earlier, shift num;pad insert numpad minus. Issue it twice quickly. You can keep holding the shift but when you issue it quickly, you must release all the other keys including numpad insert. that will move the cursor to where the navigator is, in other words, to where you stopped reading.

See if this work around works in Libre Office.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Quentin Christensen
Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2020 11:47 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA read-to-end


FIrstly Leslie,

No, we haven't changed anything from our end, you should be able to press NVDA+A (Laptop keyboard layout) or NVDA+down arrow (desktop keyboard layout) to say all, in a document, a web page or an email.

Now as for what is happening, as Gene mentioned, a log would help, ideally at Debug level, and ideally with add-ons disabled (do you have any add-ons?)

Looking through our issues I found: https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/10852 about say all in Firefox or Wordpad which was resolved by the user running the COM registration fixing tool. To do that, press NVDA+N, then press T for tools, then down arrow to "Run COM registration fixing tool" and press ENTER.

There are a handful of other closed issues which were either from using broken add-ons, or illegal ones, or other things which have been fixed and merged in NVDA 2019.3 and earlier.

One which is still open is https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/4119 which is an issue in Libre Office at least. Last time I looked at this issue, the workaround I found which resolved it, was when you open a document in Libre Office, press CONTROL+END to jump to the very bottom of the document, then CONTROL+HOME to come back to the top, then say all should work.

I just tested and it looks like that issue is still present in Libre Office 6.3.0.4 using the latest NVDA alpha. That isn't isn't in WordPad to my knowledge however. As far as I know, that is caused by a bug in Libre Office and has pretty much always been there.

I just update to Libre Office 7.0.0 and it still behaves the same.

Quentin.


On Wed, Aug 26, 2020 at 1:31 PM Leslie <soundsofmusic@san.rr.com> wrote:


Unless I press NVDA plus A I can never read a full email. This just started with the newest update. If I want to skip down through a long message I need to press control plus down arrow. If I don’t press those keys, I can’t keep moving through the email. I thought something I did to my computer did this until someone else in the class I’m taking had the same problem and we both have NVDA. Is this a bug or is this the way you want as a new NVDA. Thing? I couldn’t find it in the commands.



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Re: NVDA read-to-end

Quentin Christensen
 

FIrstly Leslie,

No, we haven't changed anything from our end, you should be able to press NVDA+A (Laptop keyboard layout) or NVDA+down arrow (desktop keyboard layout) to say all, in a document, a web page or an email.

Now as for what is happening, as Gene mentioned, a log would help, ideally at Debug level, and ideally with add-ons disabled (do you have any add-ons?)

Looking through our issues I found: https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/10852 about say all in Firefox or Wordpad which was resolved by the user running the COM registration fixing tool.  To do that, press NVDA+N, then press T for tools, then down arrow to "Run COM registration fixing tool" and press ENTER.

There are a handful of other closed issues which were either from using broken add-ons, or illegal ones, or other things which have been fixed and merged in NVDA 2019.3 and earlier.

One which is still open is https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/4119 which is an issue in Libre Office at least.  Last time I looked at this issue, the workaround I found which resolved it, was when you open a document in Libre Office, press CONTROL+END to jump to the very bottom of the document, then CONTROL+HOME to come back to the top, then say all should work.

I just tested and it looks like that issue is still present in Libre Office 6.3.0.4 using the latest NVDA alpha.  That isn't isn't in WordPad to my knowledge however.  As far as I know, that is caused by a bug in Libre Office and has pretty much always been there.

I just update to Libre Office 7.0.0 and it still behaves the same.

Quentin.

On Wed, Aug 26, 2020 at 1:31 PM Leslie <soundsofmusic@...> wrote:

Unless I press NVDA plus A I can never read a full email.  This just started with the newest update.  If I want to skip down through a long message I need to press control plus down arrow.  If I don’t press those keys, I can’t keep moving through the email.  I thought something I did to my computer did this until someone else in the class I’m taking had the same problem and we both have NVDA.  Is this a bug or is this the way you want as a new NVDA. Thing?  I couldn’t find it in the commands.

 

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Re: NVDA read-to-end

Leslie
 

Unless I press NVDA plus A I can never read a full email.  This just started with the newest update.  If I want to skip down through a long message I need to press control plus down arrow.  If I don’t press those keys, I can’t keep moving through the email.  I thought something I did to my computer did this until someone else in the class I’m taking had the same problem and we both have NVDA.  Is this a bug or is this the way you want as a new NVDA. Thing?  I couldn’t find it in the commands.

 

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Re: NVDA read-to-end

Gene
 

I've seen something like three posts complaining about read to end stopping before it should. I don't recall how you want logs sent, but maybe a log from when this happens would show something. On some web pages, read to end stops two or three times when I'm reading an article. That is one reason why I use an old, very old version, since I'm using Windows 7 and this old version meets almost all my needs, and it doesn't happen with that version.

Since I've only seen something like three messages saying that a user has this happen, it may not be a common bug, but maybe this discussion will help us know.

Gene

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To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA read-to-end



It happens to me with Notetab++ and the 1-core synthesizers. Trouble is, it's intermitent. I can't determine what causes it to start and stop happening. It's the worst kind of bug because it's hard to duplicate.




George


On 8/24/2020 11:54 PM, Quentin Christensen wrote:

Are you using NVDA in desktop keyboard layout or laptop keyboard layout? NVDA+down arrow is the Desktop layout keystroke to read to end. NVDA+a is the laptop keyboard layout shortcut.

To make it a bit more confusing, NVDA+down arrow, in laptop keyboard layout, moves the review cursor to the next line, so if you are in laptop layout and press that keystroke, it will seem like you've entered the read to end command and NVDA is simply reading the next line down and then stopping.

If you are definitely in desktop keyboard layout and NVDA is stopping partway through a paragraph, could you please give a bit more information about the exact program you are in or where it does and does not work?

Kind regards

Quentin.
Quentin.


On Sun, Aug 23, 2020 at 4:27 AM Hettie <woehler.hettie@gmail.com> wrote:


Hi all

Sorry, I didn't pay attention when this topic was discussed in earlier posts as I haven't come accross that problem then.

Now however I do experience nvda reading to the end of the paragraph when pressing the nvda + down-arrow keys. Unfortunately I haven't seen a post with the solution. Can you please help ?

Thanks.





Hettie







On 2020/08/21 2:25 pm, Ralf Kefferpuetz wrote:


Hello,

Go to the NVDA icon in the systray by pressing Windows-B (on your Mac keyboard Option-B), hit the letter N until you come to NVDA and press Enter



Cheers,

Ralf





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Hi friends,



I Have installed NVDA on a machine which has a bluetooth keyboard and I can’t find the insert key, not sure if it has one, it is the Apple style layout.

I Need to bring up the NVDA menu to go in to the options and change the keyboard layout to be laptop but I can’t perform an instert+n, does anyone know of another way to bring up the NVDA menu please?





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Re: NVDA read-to-end

George McCoy
 

It happens to me with Notetab++ and the 1-core synthesizers. Trouble is, it's intermitent. I can't determine what causes it to start and stop happening. It's the worst kind of bug because it's hard to duplicate.


George

On 8/24/2020 11:54 PM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
Are you using NVDA in desktop keyboard layout or laptop keyboard layout?  NVDA+down arrow is the Desktop layout keystroke to read to end.  NVDA+a is the laptop keyboard layout shortcut.

To make it a bit more confusing, NVDA+down arrow, in laptop keyboard layout, moves the review cursor to the next line, so if you are in laptop layout and press that keystroke, it will seem like you've entered the read to end command and NVDA is simply reading the next line down and then stopping.

If you are definitely in desktop keyboard layout and NVDA is stopping partway through a paragraph, could you please give a bit more information about the exact program you are in or where it does and does not work?

Kind regards

Quentin.
Quentin.

On Sun, Aug 23, 2020 at 4:27 AM Hettie <woehler.hettie@...> wrote:

Hi all

Sorry, I didn't pay attention when this topic was discussed in earlier posts as I haven't come accross that problem then.

Now however I do experience nvda reading to the end of the paragraph when pressing the nvda + down-arrow keys. Unfortunately I haven't seen a post with the solution. Can you please help ?

Thanks.


Hettie



On 2020/08/21 2:25 pm, Ralf Kefferpuetz wrote:

Hello,

Go to the NVDA icon in the systray by pressing Windows-B (on your Mac keyboard Option-B), hit the letter N until you come to NVDA and press Enter

 

Cheers,

  Ralf

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Hicks Steven (CORNWALL IT SERVICES) via groups.io
Sent: Freitag, 21. August 2020 13:54
To: NVDA@NVDA.Groups.IO
Subject: [nvda] NVDA Menu

 

Hi friends,

 

I Have installed NVDA on a machine which has a bluetooth keyboard and I can’t find the insert key, not sure if it has one, it is the Apple style layout.

I Need to bring up the NVDA menu to go in to the options and change the keyboard layout to be laptop but I can’t perform an instert+n, does anyone know of another way to bring up the NVDA menu please?

 



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