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Re: PDF file missing spaces

Ervin, Glenn
 

I sometimes use OpenBook to open PDF files.

I go to the “open with” option in the context menu, and find Open Book, if it has not been done before, it will need to be browsed to.

Glenn

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2018 6:00 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] PDF file missing spaces

 

I don't know if the problem can be corrected with Adobe itself.  You might try PDF2TXT, a small almost utility instead of being a program and see if that corrects it.  I've had lots of trouble using the current one but I think I still have the installation file for the older one, which I find works better on a lot of P
DF files.  Or, using OCR such as available in Openbook, Kurzweil, Fine Reader, and I would think other OCR programs might solve the problem.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2018 4:19 AM

Subject: [nvda] PDF file missing spaces

 

Hi everyone,

 

I know I've come across this before but I just can't recall the solution.  I've got a PDF file which when I read it, parts of it read with no spaces between words (ditto copying the text out or saving to a text file).

 

It is something to do with how Adobe Reader interprets the spaces in files created with certain other products, but what I can't remember, is how do I fix it, please?

 

Regards

 

Quentin.

 

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Re: text aloud reader

erik burggraaf <erik@...>
 

Hi,  You have to buy a code.  I'm surprised that one of the options isn't buy the program, but you can go to www.nextup.com and buy it.  Or, if you already purchased it or it was recommended by an agency such as a university, they may have paid for it already and you may have access to a code if you go back to the person at your agency who recommended it.

Best,

Erik

On June 18, 2018 11:02:00 AM "Kerryn Gunness via Groups.Io" <k_gunness@...> wrote:

hi
i am trying to install text aloud
but i dont no how to register and activate the program
i wen throught the installation, when it is finish it is asking me to either run as free or activate with a code
not sure what to do
 
kerryn


Re: Dropbox innaccessibility again

Ervin, Glenn
 

What is a solution for a spell checker if one does not have Office installed?

I have office both at home and at work, and I rely on a spell checker to make sure I don’t send out misspelled words.

I recall the JawsLite list used to offer a spell checker utility that when installed, gave a spell checker for eMail clients.

I’m not sure if captcha is in the dictionary, but for other instances, it is a must.

I think that most Blind folks who lost their sight early on are bad spellers, since we listen to material more than we read it in Braille.

I know that my spelling is not as good as it was when I could read print.

But it is important for us to send messages without misspelled words.

Glenn

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2018 5:33 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Dropbox innaccessibility again

 

It isn't a typo.  It is the result of the chronic and widespread practice of a lot of blind people not checking spelling of unfamiliar words and relying on speech for the spelling.  it doesn't matter what you explain or how.  If you write to a business or web site administrator or whomever in a business capacity, and misspell the name of the thing you are writing about, you lose considerable credibility and do not look competent. 

 

And how do you know that the thought doesn't arise in the recipient, "If the person is misspelling the name to this extent, maybe the person doesn't know how to use the captcha.  If you want credibility in the sighted business and other professional worlds, spell correctly and use correct names.  A typographical error is mistyping;  This is misspelling.  and this issue goes much further.  If you don't check names to be sure the spelling is correct, for example of the person you are writing to, you might use a w at the end of a name when you should use o u g h.  and in your specific case, someone might spell Brian with a y instead of with an I or visa versa.  And the list goes on. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2018 2:28 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Dropbox innaccessibility again

 

You are worrying about typos. We know what we mean. If I was writing to a
company I'd explain the actual issue without trying to use buzz words for
them.
 Brian

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From: "Laz" <laz@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2018 7:51 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Dropbox innaccessibility again


> Sure, but if one is going to write a company to complain about their
> use of quote captures unquote on their web site, they're either going
> to think you're nuts or won't know what you're talking about. It's a
> good idea to call something what it is or one won't get very far. It's
> like going to a deli and asking for a cam shaft sandwich when one
> should have said Corned Beef Hash instead. the two phrases are
> different things just as capture and captcha are two totally different
> things.
>
> Laz
>
> On 6/16/18, Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@...> wrote:
>> Actually, i've even spelled it correctly and most people don't even know
>> what that even is called. Lol! I didn't even know the term until maybe
>> 2012.
>> and even my sighted relitaves don't get it. they are like, what is that
>> and
>> I don't understand.
>>
>>> On Jun 16, 2018, at 9:17 AM, Daniel Hawkins
>>> <computersassociated@...> wrote:
>>>
>>> That is good to know, I would have spelled it wrong too. This is why I
>>> need to use the spell by character more often. Thanks for the tip!
>>> Daniel Hawkins
>>> computersassociated@... <mailto:computersassociated@...>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Jun 16, 2018, at 11:15 AM, Gene <gsasner@...
>>>> <mailto:gsasner@...>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> The word is c a p t c h a, captcha.  If you write to someone
>>>> complaining
>>>> about inaccessible captures, you will loose credibility.
>>>>
>>>> Gene
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>
>>>> From: Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
>>>> <mailto:bglists@...>
>>>> Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2018 9:57 AM
>>>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>>>> Subject: Re: [nvda] Dropbox innaccessibility again
>>>>
>>>> I don't think so, is there no audio version?
>>>>  The problem is everyone these days is security paranoid. I did not
>>>> know
>>>>
>>>> about the capchar, but I have just sent them an email about the
>>>> inaccessible
>>>> dialogues and messages.
>>>>  I also have a big list of some of the problems on the dev list but no
>>>> dev
>>>> has commented. I shall turn it into a ticket if i get time this
>>>> weekend.
>>>>
>>>> However if its not possible to tweak nvda to get these things to read,
>>>> not
>>>> withstanding the cap char then i feel that somebody in NVDA a
>>>> programmer
>>>>
>>>> really needs to have a word with them as they talk the same language. A
>>>> lot
>>>> of it is written in python QT and C. It should be perfectly possible to
>>>> fix
>>>> the dialogues as they made them work before.
>>>>  As for the Capchar, Google is gradually removing those in favour of a
>>>> question based system like.
>>>>  If the sky is cloudy is it blue.
>>>>  To which the answer is no of course.
>>>> I particularly like the one that says in the edit field, if you are not
>>>> a
>>>>
>>>> robot leave this field blank.
>>>> Brian
>>>>
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>>>> From: "Roger Stewart" <paganus2@... <mailto:paganus2@...>>
>>>> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>>
>>>> Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2018 3:46 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [nvda] Dropbox innaccessibility again
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> > Also, it's now very difficult to accept an invite from another person
>>>> > to
>>>> > share a folder. You used to just get an email and it says who is
>>>> > asking
>>>> >
>>>> > you to share and there are 2 buttons--one says accept and the other
>>>> > says
>>>> > decline. That was so easy! Now you are taken to a web page of some
>>>> > kind
>>>> >
>>>> > and it asks you to solve a captcha and this can no longer be done as
>>>> > Webvisum is finished for Firefox, and I know of nothing like it that
>>>> > works
>>>> > with any other browser. Seems like dropbox wants us to just go away.
>>>> >
>>>> > Roger
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > On 6/16/2018 6:34 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
>>>> >> I wanted to share a folder today, but it seems on the current
>>>> >> version
>>>> >>
>>>> >> this dialogue no longer works with nvda either. it just is a blank
>>>> >> page
>>>> >> saying its the shaere with another user item, but just like the
>>>> >> preferences and the delete from all machines and devices one its
>>>> >> totally
>>>> >> empty of any controls that read at all.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Anyone care to comment?
>>>> >> If its also happening in windows 10 maybe we can write en masse to
>>>> >> Dropbox to get them to correct this.
>>>> >> Brian
>>>> >>
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>>>> >> 'Brian Gaff'
>>>> >> in the display name field.
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
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Re: text aloud reader

Jackie
 

You cannot activate w/a code unless you buy it.

On 6/18/18, Kerryn Gunness via Groups.Io <k_gunness=yahoo.ca@groups.io> wrote:
hi
i am trying to install text aloud
but i dont no how to register and activate the program
i wen throught the installation, when it is finish it is asking me to either
run as free or activate with a code
not sure what to do

kerryn



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text aloud reader

Kerryn Gunness <k_gunness@...>
 

hi
i am trying to install text aloud
but i dont no how to register and activate the program
i wen throught the installation, when it is finish it is asking me to either run as free or activate with a code
not sure what to do
 
kerryn


reading comments in a Word document with NVDA

Mary Otten
 

I just got a document from a friend, and NVDA is saying "has comment" as I read through it. How can I read the comments and then get back to the text?


Re: Dropbox innaccessibility again

Gene
 

Since you are either the only one who has reported this problem, or perhaps one more person has, that is quite suggestive evidence that the problem may be yours or not at all common.
 
It may be caused by running something else or taking an action such as uninstalling something that is uncommon or very uncommon.  I don't consider the fact that it happens on two different machines to make this much less likely.  Since both machines are owned and used by the same person, the same action that caused the problem may have been taken on both machines. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, June 18, 2018 9:12 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Dropbox innaccessibility again

Well yes but the chances of two different computers running different
versions of 7 having exactly the same issue does tend to suggest a general
problem. What are the chances that this is a bug? In my view not very likely
as one would find that some other software would also be affected and thus
far none is so....
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <gsasner@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2018 11:23 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Dropbox innaccessibility again


I wouldn't assume this is a general problem.  It may be related to the
preferences problewm you have.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2018 2:27 AM
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Subject: Re: [nvda] Dropbox innaccessibility again


Unfortunately in windows 7 the dialogues do not read at all.
 I've tried this on a machine with 7 home and 7 pro now with the same
result. There is nothing special about the machines, no weird software no
fiddles. It just does not work. and as all other software seems to work fine
I'm rather bemused.
 Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Ralf Kefferpuetz" <ralf.kefferpuetz@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>; <nvda@groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2018 3:57 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Dropbox innaccessibility again


>I tried that under Win10 and Dropbox  51.4 with NVDA 2018.2.
> I can share a folder, I right click it in the dropbox folder and select
> share. In the window coming up I select write or read only in the dropdown
> then I enter an email address and tab to the comment edit field, enter
> some
> comments and tab to the Enter and share button. That's it for me, the
> folder
> is shared and a message is send to the email I entered.
>
> Regards,
>   Ralf
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian's Mail
> list account via Groups.Io
> Sent: Samstag, 16. Juni 2018 13:34
> To: nvda@groups.io
> Subject: [nvda] Dropbox innaccessibility again
>
> I wanted to share a folder today, but it seems on the current version this
> dialogue no longer works with nvda either. it just is a blank page saying
> its the shaere with another user item, but just like the preferences and
> the
> delete from all machines and devices one its totally empty of any controls
> that read at all.
>
> Anyone care to comment?
> If its also happening in windows 10 maybe we can write en masse to Dropbox
> to get them to correct this.
> Brian
>
> bglists@...
> Sent via blueyonder.
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> in the display name field.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>










Re: PDF file missing spaces

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

Some people say changing the reading order setting can fix it, well, thus far this has not worked. I think the whole thing is a bit of a mess. There are ways to tag files when they are made to stop all this guess ing of reading order but it is poorly understood and seldom used probably due to a third party tool being used to create pdfs.
Is there a simple to understand resource on pdf read order tagging on line one can point troublesome makers of these files at?
Brian

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Sent: Monday, June 18, 2018 9:44 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] PDF file missing spaces


I'm not sure you can fix it. I've certainly usually sent to whence it came and managed to get them to send in word format.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Quentin Christensen" <quentin@nvaccess.org>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2018 10:19 AM
Subject: [nvda] PDF file missing spaces


Hi everyone,

I know I've come across this before but I just can't recall the solution.
I've got a PDF file which when I read it, parts of it read with no spaces
between words (ditto copying the text out or saving to a text file).

It is something to do with how Adobe Reader interprets the spaces in files
created with certain other products, but what I can't remember, is how do I
fix it, please?

Regards

Quentin.

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Re: Dropbox innaccessibility again

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

Well yes but the chances of two different computers running different versions of 7 having exactly the same issue does tend to suggest a general problem. What are the chances that this is a bug? In my view not very likely as one would find that some other software would also be affected and thus far none is so....
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <gsasner@ripco.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2018 11:23 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Dropbox innaccessibility again


I wouldn't assume this is a general problem. It may be related to the preferences problewm you have.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2018 2:27 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Dropbox innaccessibility again


Unfortunately in windows 7 the dialogues do not read at all.
I've tried this on a machine with 7 home and 7 pro now with the same
result. There is nothing special about the machines, no weird software no
fiddles. It just does not work. and as all other software seems to work fine
I'm rather bemused.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Ralf Kefferpuetz" <ralf.kefferpuetz@elra-consulting.de>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>; <nvda@groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2018 3:57 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Dropbox innaccessibility again


I tried that under Win10 and Dropbox 51.4 with NVDA 2018.2.
I can share a folder, I right click it in the dropbox folder and select
share. In the window coming up I select write or read only in the dropdown
then I enter an email address and tab to the comment edit field, enter
some
comments and tab to the Enter and share button. That's it for me, the
folder
is shared and a message is send to the email I entered.

Regards,
Ralf

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian's Mail
list account via Groups.Io
Sent: Samstag, 16. Juni 2018 13:34
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Dropbox innaccessibility again

I wanted to share a folder today, but it seems on the current version this
dialogue no longer works with nvda either. it just is a blank page saying
its the shaere with another user item, but just like the preferences and
the
delete from all machines and devices one its totally empty of any controls
that read at all.

Anyone care to comment?
If its also happening in windows 10 maybe we can write en masse to Dropbox
to get them to correct this.
Brian

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Re: Dropbox innaccessibility again

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

In that case then it looks like they are using a form of control not existing in windows 7. The correct thing to do surely is to make sure all supported operating systems still work with your software.
I certainly have nothing special here as far as windows 7 is concerned so it has to be the program since the older versions worked fine.
Brian

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To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>; <nvda@groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2018 3:57 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Dropbox innaccessibility again


I tried that under Win10 and Dropbox 51.4 with NVDA 2018.2.
I can share a folder, I right click it in the dropbox folder and select
share. In the window coming up I select write or read only in the dropdown
then I enter an email address and tab to the comment edit field, enter some
comments and tab to the Enter and share button. That's it for me, the folder
is shared and a message is send to the email I entered.

Regards,
Ralf

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian's Mail
list account via Groups.Io
Sent: Samstag, 16. Juni 2018 13:34
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Dropbox innaccessibility again

I wanted to share a folder today, but it seems on the current version this
dialogue no longer works with nvda either. it just is a blank page saying
its the shaere with another user item, but just like the preferences and the
delete from all machines and devices one its totally empty of any controls
that read at all.

Anyone care to comment?
If its also happening in windows 10 maybe we can write en masse to Dropbox
to get them to correct this.
Brian

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Re: Dropbox innaccessibility again

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

Actually going back to my original query about the non reading dialogues and alerts in the latest version in Windows 7..
I had a pair of eyes here today, she says that on the screen about delete from this machine or all machines and devices there are just two buttons. One to say OK and one to say cancel. Additional text then says you need to reinstate the deletion and use a different option to just do a local delete. None of the buttons or the additional instructions are accessible here on windows 7. I'd be obliged if somebody who knows the inner workings of NVDA can look at this issue. Its probably more important that it can be fixed for preferences and the share dialogue though as it seems pressing enter on the delete alert will in fact result in a global deletion. Sadly none of the buttons are highlighted at all by any keyboard action I can come up with, indeed these buttons are not there according to nvdA/b.

My guess is that they are either native windows 10 specific controls that should not be used in software like windows 7, or they are in fact not accessible to anybody.

Dropbox, being the main platform used by many people I think has a responsibility to be accessible in this domain.
Their web sites menu system keeps on turning on focus mode and having to have it turned off the get at the menus then when you select it goes into focus mode again. its obviously non standard so we need a real working desktop interface here.
Brian

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Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2018 8:32 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Dropbox innaccessibility again


I know, see my earlier comment on this one.
I loved the one I saw on a newsgroup a year or so ago.
That thing that has apparently got wobbly writing in it that even most people with sight cannot understand!
Brian

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From: "Sarah k Alawami" <marrie12@gmail.com>
To: "nvda list list" <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2018 7:13 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Dropbox innaccessibility again


Actually, i've even spelled it correctly and most people don't even know what that even is called. Lol! I didn't even know the term until maybe 2012. and even my sighted relitaves don't get it. they are like, what is that and I don't understand.

On Jun 16, 2018, at 9:17 AM, Daniel Hawkins <computersassociated@gmail.com> wrote:

That is good to know, I would have spelled it wrong too. This is why I need to use the spell by character more often. Thanks for the tip!
Daniel Hawkins
computersassociated@gmail.com <mailto:computersassociated@gmail.com>



On Jun 16, 2018, at 11:15 AM, Gene <gsasner@ripco.com <mailto:gsasner@ripco.com>> wrote:

The word is c a p t c h a, captcha. If you write to someone complaining about inaccessible captures, you will loose credibility.

Gene
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To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Dropbox innaccessibility again

I don't think so, is there no audio version?
The problem is everyone these days is security paranoid. I did not know
about the capchar, but I have just sent them an email about the inaccessible
dialogues and messages.
I also have a big list of some of the problems on the dev list but no dev
has commented. I shall turn it into a ticket if i get time this weekend.
However if its not possible to tweak nvda to get these things to read, not
withstanding the cap char then i feel that somebody in NVDA a programmer
really needs to have a word with them as they talk the same language. A lot
of it is written in python QT and C. It should be perfectly possible to fix
the dialogues as they made them work before.
As for the Capchar, Google is gradually removing those in favour of a
question based system like.
If the sky is cloudy is it blue.
To which the answer is no of course.
I particularly like the one that says in the edit field, if you are not a
robot leave this field blank.
Brian

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From: "Roger Stewart" <paganus2@gmail.com <mailto:paganus2@gmail.com>>
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Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2018 3:46 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Dropbox innaccessibility again


Also, it's now very difficult to accept an invite from another person to
share a folder. You used to just get an email and it says who is asking
you to share and there are 2 buttons--one says accept and the other says
decline. That was so easy! Now you are taken to a web page of some kind
and it asks you to solve a captcha and this can no longer be done as
Webvisum is finished for Firefox, and I know of nothing like it that works
with any other browser. Seems like dropbox wants us to just go away.

Roger










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I wanted to share a folder today, but it seems on the current version
this dialogue no longer works with nvda either. it just is a blank page
saying its the shaere with another user item, but just like the
preferences and the delete from all machines and devices one its totally
empty of any controls that read at all.

Anyone care to comment?
If its also happening in windows 10 maybe we can write en masse to
Dropbox to get them to correct this.
Brian

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Re: The manual installation successful

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I think though that the UAC should be dismissable in the usual way in this condition. Quite why this works for a stand alone manual and not for the one auto downloaded seems to defy logic as in the end it surely looks the same to windows??
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Sent: Monday, June 18, 2018 9:20 AM
Subject: [nvda] The manual installation successful


I've just picked up the latest (2018.2.1) version of NVDA to check whether I won't fail while updating through the check for updates in the help menu. It failed when the secure screen appeared. I tried to bring up Narrator to see whether I can do anything, but to no avail. It was certain that my machine got stuck in the mud. That's why I am unable to provide you with some debugging log information. It was good that the manual installation was a success.


Dejan




Re: earlier master snapshot concerned

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Actually its only a stupid law to those who are ethical. Those who do all sorts of collecting should now have to come clean. As to whether in fact this occurs we shall have to wait and see. Its all this fake news twitface privacy and all that stuff that has sparked this
I guess the honeymoon is over. it has now become abundantly clear what the cost of the basic free internet infrastructure and web sites really is, and its up to an informed public to decide if its worth it or not.
More worrying I think is the loss of net Neutrality at the federal level in the United states, which in effect could allow a service provider to prioritise traffic from a source they have deals with or pay extra, and slow down or block others unless the user pays a second time for a subscription item. many states have actually brought back in local neutrality laws in an attempt to stop large companies exploiting customers in this way.

However time warner and at and to merging yesterday looks like bad news for our American internet users to me.
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Subject: Re: [nvda] earlier master snapshot concerned


Yeah I saw that to and knew what was ogin on already, the stupid law in my humble opinion, but I did comply by saying yes.

On Jun 17, 2018, at 9:27 PM, Robert Mendoza <lowvisiontek@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi, Quentin thanks for the confirmation so basically this is just a new prompts dialog added to the master snapshot. 😊

Robert Mendoza

On 6/18/2018 9:40 AM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
Hi Robert,

The information is the same as we have collected previously, as the dialog indicates, OS and NVDA version, language used, country, synthesizer, Braille diaplsy and table, This information is collected when NVDA checks for updates. Nothing secure or private is ever transmitted, no spoken content or anything like that is shared.

Prompted by the new privacy regulations in the EU, we wanted to be as open about what data we collect as possible.

For anyone interested, the dialog reads: "In order to improve NVDA in the future, NV Access wishes to collect usage data from running copies of NVDA.

Data includes Operating System version, NVDA version, language, country of origin, plus certain NVDA
configuration such as current synthesizer, braille display and braille table. No spoken or braille content will be ever
sent to NV Access. Please refer to the User Guide for a current list of all data collected.

Do you wish to allow NV Access to periodically collect this data in order to improve NVDA."

We use this information for several purposes:
- Having an idea about many users we have overall is good to use in promotion.
- Knowing that we have a lot of users in a particular country enables us to do things like prioritising translating information for users in that country.
- Conversely, if there is a large country that we are not reaching, maybe it is because we do not have a translator for the main language used there and that is something we can concentrate on looking for.
- Knowing how many users are on a particular version of Windows allows us to ensure we support what our users are working on. For instance, when we dropped support for XP, we knew that only a very small percentage of users were still using XP.

We try to collect the minimum information possible which gives us valuable information. You can opt out of this information collection if you prefer, although it does give us more useful data if the majority of our users allow it.



On Mon, Jun 18, 2018 at 10:34 AM, Robert Mendoza <lowvisiontek@gmail.com <mailto:lowvisiontek@gmail.com>> wrote:
After I updated the master snapshot today and installed to my machine, it prompts me with something like nvda will periodically collects of activity. Not clearly stated but looking around at the Users Guide to look what is all about this feature is. I appreciate your feedback for this one or, is this part of the new integration for the master snapshot version, and how will extend to where does to runs. Primarily, kinda concerned what is all about with this and wanting to make sure it does not violates the entirely the privacy of my machine and security. If someone could shed info about this, I truly appreciated it.

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Re: earlier master snapshot concerned

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Well you must understand that in Europe we now have the General Data Protection Regulation, GDPR. This in effect makes or is supposed to make all data shared an opt in process. Having this up front on a new install seems the best way to ensure that this is always under the control of the user.
I notice that everyone is doing this now.The latest version of Ccleaner is the same. When it loads it goes to the web site and tells you that you can decide what data it shares with ccleaner. it always did share data to help to see how people use the program, so it is now configurable. I'm sure we will be seeing this a lot as metrics are pulled under the users control not sneaked in as part of the software without telling you.
Most browsers already send back things, and windows and google have done it for years.
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----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Monday, June 18, 2018 1:34 AM
Subject: [nvda] earlier master snapshot concerned


After I updated the master snapshot today and installed to my machine, it prompts me with something like nvda will periodically collects of activity. Not clearly stated but looking around at the Users Guide to look what is all about this feature is. I appreciate your feedback for this one or, is this part of the new integration for the master snapshot version, and how will extend to where does to runs. Primarily, kinda concerned what is all about with this and wanting to make sure it does not violates the entirely the privacy of my machine and security. If someone could shed info about this, I truly appreciated it.

Robert Mendoza



Re: nvda 2018.2.1

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No I spotted them last week on the github list. I imagine whats new will have the info for the nvda bug fix but do not really about the other though I think there was a new version of the media player with some inaccessible controls. Seems to be a lot of this sort off rubbish going on. it seems the world is losing the accessibility again.
Its interesting also to see that the narrator in the latest windows 10 release has selectable hot key sets one looks surprising like nvdas to me. Wanders off muttering a bit rip-off.
Brian

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Sent: Monday, June 18, 2018 12:38 AM
Subject: [nvda] nvda 2018.2.1


Hi.

what is this doing on my computer.

I got the update, I loaded it, but not only was there never a notification on here, whats new, what bugs does this fix, I assume it was a bugfix.

I also have the new vlc2 release, I can't remember an anouncement of that addon going out either I know it was testing but that was it.




Re: Automatically start NVDA after I log on to Windows checkbox unable to be checked

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Running in a non admin account maybe? In that case your options are very restricted.
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Sent: Monday, June 18, 2018 9:42 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Automatically start NVDA after I log on to Windows checkbox unable to be checked


Thank you Gene,

I also suspect it is being run directly from the installer or was installed as a portable version. The fact that a sighted person looking at the screen stated they can see the check boxes but not click on them is what I am thinking may be a bug. I have not personally been able to duplicate it, so I will follow up on the portable issue before going on a snark hunt for bugs. :)

Thanks again,

Thomas


Re: Invitation: Introduction to NVDA Technical Support part 1, June 23, 2018 at 17:00 UTC

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hi great Joseph.

thanks.

long life to Joseph Lee.


cheers.


Às 17:54 de 16/06/2018, Joseph Lee escreveu:

Hi all,

 

I’d like to invite you to the first of the three online seminars on Introduction to NVDA Technical Support. Due to financial and other reasons, we’ll be using TeamTalk 5.

 

Seminar details:

 

  • Date: June 23, 2018 at 17:-00 UTC (10 AM Pacific, 1 PM Eastern and elsewhere)
  • Location: josephsl.net TeamTalk server (server is josephsl.net, 10333 for both TCP and UDP)
  • Duration: about an hour

 

Topics to be covered:

  • What is technical support
  • Basic NVDA concepts useful for tech support purposes, such as object navigation, focus versus review cursor overview and so on

 

Things to do before coming to the seminar:

  • Read NVDA user guide
  • Become familiar with NVDA commands and features, especially 2018.2 features
  • Come up with at least three questions users may have about NVDA concepts and commands that may show up in tech support sessions

 

Hope to see you all next week.

Cheers,

Joseph


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Re: PDF file missing spaces

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But pdfs do not allow editing do they? And of course when stripped out the odd chars simply get left out and hence no spaces.
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Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2018 6:01 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] PDF file missing spaces


Quentin,

If you could identify the character that does not get recognized as a space, copy it and do a global search and replace, might that work?

Rick



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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2018 5:20 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] PDF file missing spaces



Hi everyone,



I know I've come across this before but I just can't recall the solution. I've got a PDF file which when I read it, parts of it read with no spaces between words (ditto copying the text out or saving to a text file).



It is something to do with how Adobe Reader interprets the spaces in files created with certain other products, but what I can't remember, is how do I fix it, please?



Regards



Quentin.




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Re: PDF file missing spaces

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I'm not sure you can fix it. I've certainly usually sent to whence it came and managed to get them to send in word format.
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Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2018 10:19 AM
Subject: [nvda] PDF file missing spaces


Hi everyone,

I know I've come across this before but I just can't recall the solution.
I've got a PDF file which when I read it, parts of it read with no spaces
between words (ditto copying the text out or saving to a text file).

It is something to do with how Adobe Reader interprets the spaces in files
created with certain other products, but what I can't remember, is how do I
fix it, please?

Regards

Quentin.

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Re: Automatically start NVDA after I log on to Windows checkbox unable to be checked

Thomas Stivers
 

Thank you Gene,

I also suspect it is being run directly from the installer or was installed as a portable version. The fact that a sighted person looking at the screen stated they can see the check boxes but not click on them is what I am thinking may be a bug. I have not personally been able to duplicate it, so I will follow up on the portable issue before going on a snark hunt for bugs. :)

Thanks again,

Thomas