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Re: Microsoft Access Databases

Jaffar Sidek <jaffar.sidek10@...>
 

Hi.  I believe you can install Cygwin which creates a Unix-like environment on your pc and which also has it's own secure crt.  I used it with windows 7 quite successfully a few years back.  Cheers!


On 6/20/2018 10:06 PM, Jim Homme wrote:

Hi,

Some people I work with are making a department Microsoft Access database. I get to influence its accessibility. Does anyone know of information I can find on the controls to use and avoid using so that NVDA can work best with the database?

 

Thanks.

 

Jim

 



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Updated the wiki

 

I updated the applications support wiki. I cleaned up the grammar a bit and added one page for all the Microsoft products and services. I also added numerous links to the LibreOffice accessibility wiki and some more small changes. Let me know what you think.


https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda-community/wiki/Application-Support


NVDA and audible

Chris Shook <chris0309@...>
 

Hi,
Is there anyone using the Audible app for Windows 10 for PC?
If so, how do you click on setting, search, etc. Are there specific key commands that need to be used?
Thanks
Chris


Re: NVDA and SecureCRT or other ssh clients for Windows

 

Well not that I have tried it, but back in the old days of university if I wanted to use their system I'd have to reformat and use their system on my machine.

These days my brother an enginier while he does do work on his own system, uses virtual machines a lot to connect to other systems for work a lot of the time.

Vms are not always the best either unless you have good hardware but well it can be done.

On 6/21/2018 1:18 AM, Jason White via Groups.Io wrote:
I'm achieving good results with both Windows Subsystem for Linux (running ssh
under the installed Linux distribution - Ubuntu from the Microsoft Store, for
example), and Msys2 from the Git SDK.

A real Linux machine is better, of course, and I have that as well.

Øyvind Lode <oyvind.lode@gmail.com> wrote:
I use cygwin and I've used cygwin for years now to access linux and
unix servers at work.

I install cygwin and add openssh (not installed by default) and
keychain (also not installed by default).
The standard cygwin console is not fully accessible though.
However, use the windows console / command promt instead as your
cygwin terminal and everything works fine.


On 20 June 2018 at 14:44, Ralf Kefferpuetz
<ralf.kefferpuetz@elra-consulting.de> wrote:
Shouldn't it be: config.conf["editableText"]["caretMoveTimeout"]Ms ?


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Noelia Ruiz
Sent: Mittwoch, 20. Juni 2018 13:52
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and SecureCRT or other ssh clients for Windows

Hi, I don't use the program you're mentioning, just git bash.
Anyway, you may want to see this issue:
https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/4481

You can try to configure timeout, for example, following these steps:

1. Go to the application where you find issues.
2. Create a new profile for this application (or manual, in case you don't want it's triggered automatically).
3. Activate it so you can save configuration changes just for this profile.
4. Open the Python console (control+NVDA+z) and type the following lines (you can paste each line and press Enter):
import config
config.conf["editableText"]["caretMoveTimeout"] = 100
config.conf.save()

(change 100 for a value in milliseconds) and test with different values.

Cheers



2018-06-20 10:55 GMT+02:00, Christian Schoepplein <chris@schoeppi.net>:
Hej,

I need to work via ssh on linux servers in my job. In the past I used
Linux on my workstation, but now I have to use Windows. Now I am
looking for a Windows ssh client which is good to use with NVDA.

The prefered client for my employer is SecureCRT. I've configured this
client by following the steps described here:

https://www.vandyke.com/support/tips/scrnread.html

This setup is working well, only one thing is causing me problems.

When navigating through the output of a command given in the shell the
focus of NVDA is always getting back to the line where the cursor is
located after one second or so. This makes it inpossible to read
through a shell window.

Does anyone know this issue and can it be solved somehow?


I also tested putty and cygwinssh. Cygwinssh seems to work fine, but
it has not that many features. Also I was not able to scrol back in a
shell output. Putty is OK in most cases, but sometimes the focus gets
lost or is shifted for a line or two.

Maybe someone is using SecureCRT also and can help me out with my
little problem, then it will be a good solution for me and my employer I think.

TIA and all the best from Munich,

Schoepp











Re: NVDA and SecureCRT or other ssh clients for Windows

 

I am not an expert on this but putty seems to be what others talk about, windows has an open ssh client you can use.

What is stopping you using ssh from the linux subsystem for linux in 10 linking to your full linux server though?

Either that or cygwin.

On 6/20/2018 8:55 PM, Christian Schoepplein wrote:
Hej,

I need to work via ssh on linux servers in my job. In the past I used
Linux on my workstation, but now I have to use Windows. Now I am looking
for a Windows ssh client which is good to use with NVDA.

The prefered client for my employer is SecureCRT. I've configured this
client by following the steps described here:

https://www.vandyke.com/support/tips/scrnread.html

This setup is working well, only one thing is causing me problems.

When navigating through the output of a command given in the shell the
focus of NVDA is always getting back to the line where the cursor is
located after one second or so. This makes it inpossible to read through a
shell window.

Does anyone know this issue and can it be solved somehow?


I also tested putty and cygwinssh. Cygwinssh seems to work fine, but it
has not that many features. Also I was not able to scrol back in a shell
output. Putty is OK in most cases, but sometimes the focus gets lost or is
shifted for a line or two.

Maybe someone is using SecureCRT also and can help me out with my little
problem, then it will be a good solution for me and my employer I think.

TIA and all the best from Munich,

Schoepp






Re: NVDA and SecureCRT or other ssh clients for Windows

Jason White
 

Christian Schoepplein <chris@schoeppi.net> wrote:

This is working with Windows 10 only, isn't it? Unfortunatly I have to use
Win7, Win10 will be rolled out next year maybe :-(.
Windows Subsystem for Linux requires Windows 10; msys2 however does not.
Microsoft significantly improved the accessibility of the console in recent
versions of Windows 10. If these improvements are valuable to you, you can
probably make a case to your employer for a Windows 10 machine.


In the past I used a Linux box with a self installed Debian and a
virtualized Windows 7. That was the perfekt working enviroment for the
tasks I have todo in my daily work.

Which virtualization tool did you run on the Linux host? I'm considering doing
the same, or at least experimenting a little. I also need to find out how to
license Microsoft Windows to run on a virtual machine.

I've used KVM to virtualize a Linux guest before, but I haven't tried running
Windows in a VM.

I would expect NVDA to work, although the braille display would create some
issues even if the USB interface can be forwarded to the guest.


Windows 10 autoplay notification

Chris Mullins
 

Hi

Apologies if the subject line is not the one recently on the list, I’ve deleted all the messages associated with the thread and can’t remember the actual subject text however I hope the following helps.  Someone was talking about pressing Windows+v to access the autoplay pop-up notification. And suggested it needed to be done quickly or it disappeared.  I found this on the net regarding the length of time notifications hang around which may solve the problem of accessing it before it disappears.

 

You control how long Windows 10 displays notifications on screen using a single drop-down menu, but it’s not an obvious one. Instead of being grouped with other notification settings, you’ll find it buried in the Windows accessibility settings. It makes sense in hindsight (arguably), but we’re not sure how anyone could be expected to think of looking there in the first place.

Click Start > Settings (or press Windows+I) to open the Settings window and then click “Ease of Access.”

settings_main

In the Ease of Access window, select the “Other options” tab and then click the “Show notifications for” drop down menu.

ease_of_access

The drop down menu lets you choose various timing options, ranging from 5 seconds to 5 minutes. Just pick how long you’d like pop up notifications to stay on screen.

set_timing

And that’s it! It’s just one little setting hidden away in a place you might never think to look for it, but hopefully it comes in handy. 

 

Alternatively you could switch off autoplay notifications in Settings/System Notifications and Actions section then in   Settings/Devices autoplay section, set actions for different peripheral devices.

 

Cheers

Chris


Re: NVDA stable release fails to update on a friend's machine

 

Hello Quentin,

My friend told me that UAC appears for him and he answers with "Yes" to the prompt. Also, he checked and "Controlled Folder Access" is turned off on his machine. So, it remains a mystery to me why the creation of the shortcut fails on his machine. I asked him to check the level to which UAC is set on his machine. By default it should be on 67%, but for some reason on his machine it may be set to something higher and that may be causing the problem. I think it shouldn't, but it never hurts to check just in case. I'm also thinking about folder privileges/ownership in relation to the "Desktop" folder, but if he does not have right access to it, other programs would give him the same error and he hasn't mentioned such things.

______
Best wishes,
Kostadin Kolev


На 19.6.2018 г. в 9:47, Quentin Christensen написа:

Hi Kostadin,

Could you please confirm, when you run NVDA, and go to the Help - about screen, has it actually updated even though it gave an error?

The error appears to be in creating the shortcut, and the main time I've seen that, is when you are installing (or updating) on Windows 10 and have controlled folder access turned on.  Essentially, it lets NVDA install completely, but won't let it install a shortcut on the desktop (because that's a system folder).

If you have controlled folder access enabled, then your two options, are either 1) Ignore the error and create the shortcut yourself if desired, or 2) disable controlled folder access while installing NVDA.  Actually lots of programs hit this error trying to install or update with that setting enabled.  At this stage, there isn't anything we can do to work around it (the whole point of it is to protect your system folders against changes by any program).

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Tue, Jun 19, 2018 at 4:42 PM, Kostadin Kolev <k.kolev1985@...> wrote:

Hello Joseph,

OK, here is the log file content. I'm pasting the whole content, since it is not large anyway.

INFO - __main__ (18:05:56.934):
Starting NVDA
INFO - core.main (18:05:57.167):
Config dir: C:\Users\Home\AppData\Roaming\nvda
INFO - config.ConfigManager._loadConfig (18:05:57.168):
Loading config: C:\Users\Home\AppData\Roaming\nvda\nvda.ini
INFO - core.main (18:05:57.203):
NVDA version 2018.2.1
INFO - core.main (18:05:57.203):
Using Windows version 10.0.17134 workstation
INFO - core.main (18:05:57.203):
Using Python version 2.7.15 (v2.7.15:ca079a3ea3, Apr 30 2018, 16:22:17) [MSC v.1500 32 bit (Intel)]
INFO - core.main (18:05:57.203):
Using comtypes version 1.1.3
INFO - synthDrivers.espeak.SynthDriver.__init__ (18:05:57.499):
Using eSpeak NG version 1.49.1 dev
INFO - synthDriverHandler.setSynth (18:05:57.552):
Loaded synthDriver espeak
INFO - core.main (18:05:57.552):
Using wx version 3.0.2.0 msw (classic)
INFO - brailleInput.initialize (18:05:57.555):
Braille input initialized
INFO - braille.initialize (18:05:57.555):
Using liblouis version 3.5.0
INFO - braille.BrailleHandler.setDisplayByName (18:05:57.555):
Loaded braille display driver noBraille, current display has 0 cells.
WARNING - core.main (18:05:57.576):
Java Access Bridge not available
INFO - _UIAHandler.UIAHandler.MTAThreadFunc (18:05:57.582):
UIAutomation: IUIAutomation5
INFO - core.main (18:05:58.756):
NVDA initialized
ERROR - RPC process 7204 (nvda_slave.exe) (18:06:05.592):
__main__.main:
slave error
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "nvda_slave.pyw", line 42, in main
  File "installer.pyo", line 423, in install
  File "installer.pyo", line 239, in registerInstallation
  File "installer.pyo", line 66, in createShortcut
  File "comtypes\client\lazybind.pyo", line 182, in caller
  File "comtypes\automation.pyo", line 729, in _invoke
COMError: (-2147352567, 'Exception occurred.', (None, None, None, 0, None))
ERROR - gui.installerGui.doInstall (18:06:05.624):
Installation failed: 1
INFO - core.main (18:06:11.467):
Exiting
INFO - config.ConfigManager.save (18:06:11.549):
Not writing profile, either --secure or --launcher args present
INFO - __main__ (18:06:11.621):
NVDA exit

______
Best wishes,
Kostadin Kolev


На 19.6.2018 г. в 9:34, Joseph Lee написа:

Hi,

Could you mind pasting the log fragment here, as this forum does not accept attachments? Thanks.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kostadin Kolev
Sent: Monday, June 18, 2018 11:27 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA stable release fails to update on a friend's machine

 

Hello all,

A friend of mine has reported to me that his copy of NVDA (the stable release) fails to update. I think he tried to update from 2018.1 to 2018.1.1 and then to 2018.2 and each time NVDA fails to update and tells him to check the log file for details. I'm attaching the log file to this message - hope it helps to diagnose what is the problem in this case.

Thanks much in advance!

______
Best wishes,
Kostadin Kolev





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nvda] NVDA and the audible app for windows 10

Chris Shook <chris0309@...>
 

Hi,
Is there anyone that knows commands for the Audible appfor windows 10?
I can get into the books, but I can't download them to the app or import them into iTunes. I've tried using the right mouse button, but that doesn't seem to work. It just brings up my start menu for the desktop.


Re: In relation to Ted Notepad and NVDA

Dejan Ristic
 

Well, it is the latest one being 6.1.1.beta, which means that I've not updated Ted when these changes have taken place. As to the NVDA version, I suppose that this issue has been caused when the latest version has come to us. Let me also say that Ted does not update frequently, once or twice in three years.

There is one more thing I'd like to share with you all when these two are concerned: When I open any other text-editable programme, NVDA always says 'edit multiline'. When I open Ted, multiline is missed out. I observed this before, but due to the fact that all was working fine, I did not pester you with my trifling complaints about a single word missed out.


Now that the issue has occurred, I've come to a conclusion that I'm to report whatever I find to be worth reporting.



Dejan

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Do you recall which was the last working version?
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To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2018 11:47 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] In relation to Ted Notepad and NVDA


Hi,


Yes, that's the programme from the link you presented to me.


Well, I'm sure that there are more visual lines, for, when I arrow down,
I read the status so that I am sure of the number of line I am on.
That's how I know that there are more lines on the screen. The status
bar is checked, and when I press the key command to read it, I'm
informed of the line number.


Note:

Previous NVDA versions worked well with Ted.


Dejan


On 19/06/2018 12:22, Quentin Christensen wrote:
Hi Dejan,

I'm not familiar with TED notepad directly, is this the one:
http://jsimlo.sk/notepad/

When you move by line, could it be that the text on one line might be
fairly long, and TED is wrapping it (visually), but still treating it
as one line which wraps over multiple lines?

It's a slightly different behaviour to say Windows notepad, but I've
seen it in some other editors. In generally NVDA should read the text
at the cursor, so assuming when you press DOWN ARROW that the cursor
is actually moving down by a couple of (visual) lines to after the
next linebreak character, NVDA should just be reading where the cursor is.

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Tue, Jun 19, 2018 at 8:09 PM, Dejan Ristic <r.dejan83@gmail.com
<mailto:r.dejan83@gmail.com>> wrote:

    Hi,


    When I use Ted Notepad with NVDA, it is impossible for me to read
    a piece of text line by line. When I press either up or down
    arrow, NVDA reads the text as if it is contained in one line,
    although it fills up to two, three, or even more lines.


    One more thing:

    When I type in Ted, I happen to press enter to go to new line,
    NVDA always repeats what is typed in the previous line, and then
    repeats what has just been typed.


    In order to check whether Notepad worked fine, I filled it with
    some text, and I found that it worked quite well. It means that I
    can read text line by line when using up and down arrows.


    Thankful once more,

    Dejan








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Re: Microsoft Access Databases

 

Jim,

           There are reams of material out there about designing virtually any type of Microsoft Office document/database/spreadsheet in a way that is maximally accessible to screen reader users.  Start poring through the results from:  https://duckduckgo.com/?q=MS+Access+accessibility+%22screen+readers%22

Some other results come up if you omit "screen readers" as part of the search, but many of them don't apply.

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Re: Microsoft Access Databases

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The problem I always had was that the edit fields seem to not be able to be read. That is cursoring around in them gives silence as does delete.
Not sure if in windows 10 this is any different.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Homme" <jhomme@benderconsult.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2018 3:06 PM
Subject: [nvda] Microsoft Access Databases


Hi,
Some people I work with are making a department Microsoft Access database. I get to influence its accessibility. Does anyone know of information I can find on the controls to use and avoid using so that NVDA can work best with the database?

Thanks.

Jim



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Re: tab and arrow keys

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No its very much a hit and miss thing. I think its Firefox Quantum related.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Craig" <electronno@internode.on.net>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2018 7:20 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] tab and arrow keys


Hi.

Thanks for the help.

However I am a bit mystified now.
The problem has gone away.

Classic webpage was a google search but its not happening now.


Thanks


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Noelia Ruiz
Sent: Wednesday, 20 June 2018 2:44 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] tab and arrow keys

Hi, I use the same versions of Windows, NVDA and Firefox and don't have this problem.
Do you get this issue in each webpage, or just in some of them?
Have you tried to restart Firefox and NVDA with all add-ons disabled?
This may help to find out what's causing it.

Cheers


El 20/06/2018 a las 2:18, Craig escribió:
Hi.

Using win10 1803.

NVDA 2018.2.1

Firefox 60.0.2

I am finding that when on the webpage using the arrow keys and they
don’t follow when I use the tab to a link the arrow keys are still in
a textual part like a paragraph of the webpage. Hope this make sense.

So if for example I tabbed to a link and I use the right arrow key it
is responding to some part of the text of a paragraph not the link.

I tried both screen review and object review modes. Doesn’t make any
difference.

Thanks

C

Cheers Craig

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Re: tab and arrow keys

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Erm yes, that would be one of the new versions of Firefox? Yes?
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----- Original Message -----
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To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2018 1:18 AM
Subject: [nvda] tab and arrow keys


Hi.



Using win10 1803.

NVDA 2018.2.1

Firefox 60.0.2





I am finding that when on the webpage using the arrow keys and they don't
follow when I use the tab to a link the arrow keys are still in a textual
part like a paragraph of the webpage. Hope this make sense.







So if for example I tabbed to a link and I use the right arrow key it is
responding to some part of the text of a paragraph not the link.



I tried both screen review and object review modes. Doesn't make any
difference.



Thanks

C



Cheers Craig



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Far beyond the Shrouded hours of dawn

Through the mist Of daybreak I was borne

But the day was Clouded still by night

Leaving me in the land of no light





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Re: Some NVDA Questions, New User

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Oh some are just that, clickable and they do something which is not actually able to be derived by the screenreader.
Could I also plug Waterfox as a Browser. I have found it far less annoying than Firefox is, and not as lien as Chrome.
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To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2018 10:51 PM
Subject: [nvda] Some NVDA Questions, New User


Hi everyone,
I just recently started using NDA and using the tutorial produced by Joseph Lee, and am on part 5 of it now. I have discovered a few things I would like to ask about.
First of all, from other users perspective, what is the best web browser to use with NDA? I know it supports all 3 major browsers, Firefox, Internet Explorer and Edge, which the tutorial demonstrated all 3, actually 4, as Google Chrome is also supported but wasn’t demonstrated in the tutorial. I noticed when using Firefox, when a link is encountered, it says Clickable, where Internet Explorer does not. I haven’t been to a lot of sights but I notice on one sight, www.komando.com where some text under the headings also say Clickable, even though they are not links. What’s going on here?
Also, how does one navigate FaceBook through all those links at the top of the pages, like Notifications, Friend Requests and all those top notifications? It is my understanding that there are hot keys in Facebook that can be used. My wife, who uses Jaws uses the mobile site, m.facebook.com. I’d like to use the regular FB so I don’t miss out, since I’m used to that one, and on my iPhone as well.

Also, in another NVDA matter, I often hear it say, Ping when starting and I have to hit Windows M for the desktop, or when opening messages in Windows Live Mail or when browsing web sites. Any idea what that is supposed to mean?

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Re: In relation to Ted Notepad and NVDA

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From: "Dejan Ristic" <r.dejan83@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2018 11:47 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] In relation to Ted Notepad and NVDA


Hi,


Yes, that's the programme from the link you presented to me.


Well, I'm sure that there are more visual lines, for, when I arrow down,
I read the status so that I am sure of the number of line I am on.
That's how I know that there are more lines on the screen. The status
bar is checked, and when I press the key command to read it, I'm
informed of the line number.


Note:

Previous NVDA versions worked well with Ted.


Dejan


On 19/06/2018 12:22, Quentin Christensen wrote:
Hi Dejan,

I'm not familiar with TED notepad directly, is this the one:
http://jsimlo.sk/notepad/

When you move by line, could it be that the text on one line might be
fairly long, and TED is wrapping it (visually), but still treating it
as one line which wraps over multiple lines?

It's a slightly different behaviour to say Windows notepad, but I've
seen it in some other editors. In generally NVDA should read the text
at the cursor, so assuming when you press DOWN ARROW that the cursor
is actually moving down by a couple of (visual) lines to after the
next linebreak character, NVDA should just be reading where the cursor is.

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Tue, Jun 19, 2018 at 8:09 PM, Dejan Ristic <r.dejan83@gmail.com
<mailto:r.dejan83@gmail.com>> wrote:

Hi,


When I use Ted Notepad with NVDA, it is impossible for me to read
a piece of text line by line. When I press either up or down
arrow, NVDA reads the text as if it is contained in one line,
although it fills up to two, three, or even more lines.


One more thing:

When I type in Ted, I happen to press enter to go to new line,
NVDA always repeats what is typed in the previous line, and then
repeats what has just been typed.


In order to check whether Notepad worked fine, I filled it with
some text, and I found that it worked quite well. It means that I
can read text line by line when using up and down arrows.


Thankful once more,

Dejan








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Re: NVDA stable release fails to update on a friend's machine

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Actually when it begins to occur, I often find the next casualty in Windows is context menus. Then you need to do as you say, log out and back in. I think its Windows related myself.
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From: "Kostadin Kolev" <k.kolev1985@gmail.com>
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Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2018 7:50 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA stable release fails to update on a friend's machine


Hello Quentin,


I'll ask my friend to check if the UAC dialog is not hiding behind some other window. I know that not answering with "Yes" to that dialog will result in NVDA failing to update, because I've experienced it myself a few years ago.

And I've noticed too that sometimes NVDA fails to read the UAC dialog even with an installed copy of NVDA and the only solution in such a case (though not a permanent one) is to log off from the system and log in back again or restart it. It hasn't occurred to me recently though, so I'm guessing that it was something on Microsoft's side and it may have been fixed with one of the last cumulative updates for Windows 10.


______
Best wishes,
Kostadin Kolev



На 19.6.2018 г. в 9:38, Quentin Christensen написа:

A few people have been having trouble with the UAC dialog - the dialog which Windows pops up when you install anything - often this dialog seems to pop up behind every other window and you need to either ALT+TAB through everything, or press ALT+SHIFT+TAB to get to it.


Some users have reported that the dialog doesn't always read correctly, even on an installed copy of NVDA. I haven't replicated that or seen a solution at this stage.


Regards


Quentin.


On Tue, Jun 19, 2018 at 4:34 PM, Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi,

Could you mind pasting the log fragment here, as this forum does not accept attachments? Thanks.

Cheers,

Joseph

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Sent: Monday, June 18, 2018 11:27 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA stable release fails to update on a friend's machine

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Hello all,

A friend of mine has reported to me that his copy of NVDA (the stable release) fails to update. I think he tried to update from 2018.1 to 2018.1.1 and then to 2018.2 and each time NVDA fails to update and tells him to check the log file for details. I'm attaching the log file to this message - hope it helps to diagnose what is the problem in this case.

Thanks much in advance!

______
Best wishes,
Kostadin Kolev






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Re: NVDA stable release fails to update on a friend's machine

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Yes I saw it in 7 till I turned the damn thing off completely!

Why is it that these days so many windows or alerts seem to not take the focus any more?
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From: "Quentin Christensen" <quentin@nvaccess.org>
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Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2018 7:38 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA stable release fails to update on a friend's machine


A few people have been having trouble with the UAC dialog - the dialog
which Windows pops up when you install anything - often this dialog seems
to pop up behind every other window and you need to either ALT+TAB through
everything, or press ALT+SHIFT+TAB to get to it.

Some users have reported that the dialog doesn't always read correctly,
even on an installed copy of NVDA. I haven't replicated that or seen a
solution at this stage.

Regards

Quentin.

On Tue, Jun 19, 2018 at 4:34 PM, Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com>
wrote:

Hi,

Could you mind pasting the log fragment here, as this forum does not
accept attachments? Thanks.

Cheers,

Joseph



*From:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Kostadin
Kolev
*Sent:* Monday, June 18, 2018 11:27 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* [nvda] NVDA stable release fails to update on a friend's
machine



Hello all,

A friend of mine has reported to me that his copy of NVDA (the stable
release) fails to update. I think he tried to update from 2018.1 to
2018.1.1 and then to 2018.2 and each time NVDA fails to update and tells
him to check the log file for details. I'm attaching the log file to this
message - hope it helps to diagnose what is the problem in this case.

Thanks much in advance!

______
Best wishes,
Kostadin Kolev




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Re: NVDA stable release fails to update on a friend's machine

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You cannot attach files in the list paste any fragments into the body but try to mark the offending bit to save brain fade if possible.
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To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2018 7:26 AM
Subject: [nvda] NVDA stable release fails to update on a friend's machine


Hello all,


A friend of mine has reported to me that his copy of NVDA (the stable release) fails to update. I think he tried to update from 2018.1 to 2018.1.1 and then to 2018.2 and each time NVDA fails to update and tells him to check the log file for details. I'm attaching the log file to this message - hope it helps to diagnose what is the problem in this case.

Thanks much in advance!


______
Best wishes,
Kostadin Kolev


Re: text aloud reader

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Virtual recorder is what i use for this.
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Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2018 2:28 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] text aloud reader


I had Text Aloud on an old laptop but not on my current one. If I wanted to record the output of NVDA reading something I would use Audacity (which is free) and you can set it up so that it records the sound coming through the soundcard (what NVDA is saying). That means you can use NVDA to say all and Audacity can record it. I record NVDA doing that and then export the Audacity result as an mp3, and then use Wavepad (which I know, from previous dialogue, you also use) to chop off the initial seconds and the ending seconds as I activate the recording mode and likewise end the recording mode.

I find Audacity / Wavepad a more configurable method than I did using Text Aloud (I can't remember if Text Aloud had user dictionaries, but you do have those with NVDA so you can define pronunciations of certain words if needed ... something I use a lot!)

Hope that helps :)

Giles