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Re: Problems with NVDA and latest Windows 10 1803

Kenny <kwashingtonbox@...>
 

Joseph, it really seems like Microsoft wishes to totally do away with the conventional Windows Desktop interface?


The future Windows OS will rely heavily on Edge to not only surf the web, but launch apps (Universal) and perform common end-user tasks (Word Processing, watching videos, listening to music etc.) No more minimizing Windows. No more switching from Desktop to Start button, to Tasks bar. Microsoft Edge will be the parent node for everything that occurs in Windows.


So you will no longer need to close Windows, but "Tabs" to unload/dismiss open programs/sites/projects.


Is that what the future holds for Windows users?


Looks like they learned from their mistake of removing the conventional Start button in the original Windows 10 release. They're taking a spoon fed approach to getting rid of the Desktop interface this time LOL.


On 5/16/2018 1:04 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:

Hi Roger and others,

I knew this day would come (smiles to himself)…

The following describes a Windows 10 feature under active development. Thus, what I say below may change without notice, and feature availability will depend on maturity of the feature in question:

 

A set is a grouping of apps into tabs designed to package related activities together. Previously, if you wanted a tabbed app usage experience, you had to use web browsers and certain apps that does support tabs (Notepad++ is one of them). Sets changes this in a major way: you’ll be able to run apps inside Microsoft Edge tabs.

 

When you run an app with Sets on, you’ll see (or feel) several new screen controls that invite you to open a new tab, a list of tabs will be shown, and a button that offers to restore previously opened tabs. The actual app content will be housed inside a Microsoft Edge container window, similar to what happens now when you use certain apps with Windows My People (Version 1709).

 

While an app is running inside a Sets window, press Control+Windows+T to open a new “tab”. This new tab window (from Microsoft Edge) consists of typical new tab content, as well as an embedded Cortana search box that lets you search for things such as another app to open. After searching for things via this search box, press Enter to open an app or a file. The Edge new tab content is replaced by app screen, and a new tab, representing the just opened app, will be listed in tabs list.

 

To move between app tabs, press Control+Windows+Tab or Control+Windows+Shift+Tab. To switch to a particular app tab (provided that you know the app position), press Control+Windows+number row key. To close an app, press Control+Windows+W, and to close everything in one go, press Alt+F4.

 

You may have noticed a familiar pattern: if you’re using a web browser that supports tabbed browsing, the commands to switch between app tabs are nothing more than switching between browser tabs, except that you would add the Windows key to the mix.

 

But that’s not all Sets can do and change:

 

  • In Timeline (Task View in Version 1803 and later), Windows will list previously opened set and offer to restore all app tabs in one go.
  • When you pres Alt+Tab, you’ll be able to cycle through Edge tabs and other windows. This is because, in reality, app tabs are apps running inside Edge container window, so will be treated as switching between apps. You can change it so that Alt+Tab will let you cycle between app windows instead, which means only the focused app in a set will be visible.
  • You can ask Windows to open things you click from one app in another window or a tab. For example, if you click a link in outlook, Windows will either open the link in a new browser window or a new Edge tab.

 

There are practical consequences as a result of using Sets:

 

  • Tabbed File Explorer: you’ll be able to view multiple folders and drives in one sitting.
  • Writing papers and viewing research results: you can have an app tabs set where you have Word or Libreoffice Writer open and a collection of Edge tabs with research data.
  • Updating currency conversion formula in Excel: you can have a workbook open in Excel while using latest currency conversion results from Calculator app and update your spreadsheet accordingly.
  • Testing accessibility of an app while debugging it via Python Console: you’ll be able to open a set where one tab is NVDA’s own Python Console and the other one could be an app you’re actively testing.

 

Cheers,

Joseph

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Roger Stewart
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2018 9:31 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Problems with NVDA and latest Windows 10 1803

 

Can you please explain what is meant by "the new feature of sets" and how do I find this and turn it on?  Also, why would I need it on? Does it help with screen reader accessibility? 

Thanks.

Roger










On 5/16/2018 11:00 AM, Gene wrote:

That is only true if a lot of users, sighted users, get annoyed enough to matter.  A lot of the changes that inconvenience blind users until they learn how to use them may be intuitive and quickly understood by sighted users.  and, in the case of screen-reader problems, sighted people wouldn't have any of those problems.  Also, as in the new feature of sets, they may not be on by default.  As I recall what I read, sets is off by default.

 

But every time a new major update to Windows comes out, I see enough blind users have problems that I'm in no hurry to get Windows 10.  Even if the problems are temporary, such as screen-reader problems that are dealt with not too long after the upgrade, Windows 10 has nothing I want that justifies even relatively minor inconveniences time after time.

 

I'll get it when I get a new computer.  I won't upgrade a machine that is working very well with an earlier version of Windows.

 

Gene

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Subject: Re: [nvda] Problems with NVDA and latest Windows 10 1803

 

I think the one thing I'm really annoyed about is that Microsoft keep on
fiddling with things that used to work and making them not work. I have
actually given  up on 10 as a working platform, unless Microsoft can simply
provide a system stable and just with security updates like windows 7. They
are not doing themselves any good by bringing out new versions of windows
every6 months or so in my view, they are going to make Windows 7 into the
keep hold of system just like XP if they are not more careful. Fine have new
features but do not change the whole concept and still call it windows 10.
that is just silly. That is my feeling after being exposed to their messing
about. its as if the developers who used to regularly screw up Skype have
been let loose on the innards of Windows!
 Hides behind sofa.  Brian

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Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2018 3:44 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Problems with NVDA and latest Windows 10 1803


> Oh and isn't it time NVDA installed Win 10 essentials automagically if Win
> 10 is detected?  New users shouldn't certainly have to go hunting for
> addons
> for their screen reader.
>
> All the best
>
> Steve
>
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> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Steve Nutt
> Sent: 16 May 2018 15:43
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Problems with NVDA and latest Windows 10 1803
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> Hi,
>
> I just downloaded Win 10 essentials stable today, but it doesn't seem to
> make much difference.
>
> I must play a bit more.
>
> All the best
>
> Steve
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> Subject: Re: [nvda] Problems with NVDA and latest Windows 10 1803
>
> I expect Joseph will be along soon to ask about the  version of win 10
> essentials you have, but have you tried the pre release master snap?
> If that fails too then somebody in the development team needs to try to
> isolate what makes some machines work and others not.
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> Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2018 12:31 PM
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Problems with NVDA and latest Windows 10 1803
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>> Hi Jacob,
>>
>>
>>
>> I have three machines here, all on 1803.  None of them work at all
>> well with NVDA in Windows 10, in fact, File Explorer is pretty much
>> unusable, as is Outlook.
>>
>>
>>
>> At this point, I'm glad I have JAWS as well.  But I don't know why
>> NVDA is so broken with 1803, more so than JAWS.
>>
>>
>>
>> All the best
>>
>>
>> Steve
>>
>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jacob
>> Kruger
>> Sent: 16 May 2018 09:10
>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>> Subject: Re: [nvda] Problems with NVDA and latest Windows 10 1803
>>
>>
>>
>> Steve, this sounds almost like an iteration of what I was mentioning -
>> it seems to fluctuate/vary quite a bit on/off on my one windows 10
>> 1803 machine, which is a lenovo laptop, whereas on my slightly lower
>> hardware specification desktop machine, that does however have a solid
>> state operating system drive in it, it actually seems to react a bit
>> more consistently, in terms of reading out list items, like in file
>> explorer, to me, and, this is with both of them running windows 10
>> 1803 pro 64 bit, and, currently both running NVDA master snapshot.
>>
>>
>>
>> Stay well
>>
>>
>>
>> Jacob Kruger
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>> Skype: BlindZA
>> "Resistance is futile...but, acceptance is versatile..."
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>> On 5/16/2018 10:03 AM, Steve Nutt wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>>
>>
>> I recently reported that Outlook message lists were not reading for me.
>>
>>
>>
>> It is in fact worse than that, lists in general don't seem to be reading.
>> For example, File Explorer in Windows 10 is completely silent for me now.
>>
>>
>>
>> JAWS is reading lists quite happily.
>>
>>
>>
>> Any thoughts?
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>>
>>
>> All the best
>>
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>>
>> Steve
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Re: Problems with NVDA and latest Windows 10 1803

Steve Nutt
 

Hi,

 

It doesn’t unfortunately.

 

But one shouldn’t have to jump through all these hoops for NVDA, JAWS is quite happily reading for me.

 

All the best

 

Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ron Canazzi
Sent: 21 May 2018 18:47
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Problems with NVDA and latest Windows 10 1803

 

Hi Steve,

 

I am wondering about what settings you have for the File Explorer.  I have noticed that with some settings in Windows/file explorer since Windows 7, that it doesn't interface well with screen readers.  In particular, if you have under the view menu extra large icons or grid or something other than list or details checked, you will have problems.  First check the view menu to see that either list or details is checked.

 

Also make sure that everything under the group by sub menu is unchecked.  If anything is checked under that menu, it can result in sluggishness and odd behavior.

 

Also under the graphics options sub menu there are sub menus.  Under the panel options only the display scaling is checked. Under the resolution sub menu 1024 X 768 is checked. Under the rotaton sub menu, rotate to 0 degrees is checked. 

Under the hotkeys and tray icons sub menu, they are both enabled.

 

Check out these settings and make them conform to the suggestions above and see if that helps with your file explorer issues.

 

 

On 5/21/2018 11:10 AM, Steve Nutt wrote:

Yep, this pretty much mirrors my experience, although I can never get NVDA to read the list now.

 

NVDA is pretty horrible with File Explorer under Windows 10, and it’s got worse with this build.

 

All the best

 

Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Annette Moore
Sent: 20 May 2018 20:15
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Problems with NVDA and latest Windows 10 1803

 

I just close file explorer and reopen it when it starts acting funky. either that, or I shut down NVDA and restart it. Alternatively, I can sit here and stare at the computer for a few minutes, until it decides to behave itself, which it does eventually do. It has to be an NVDA thing, though, because it doesn't do this with System Access at all. I have trouble alt tabbing between windows when it wants to act up, and then I have trouble going through list items. It's like the cursor doesn't want to move through them but it actually does; it's just NVDA isn't reading me the items. I also find that if I have more than, say, two or three windows open and I close one of them, it starts working fine again. It's random, though, so I never know when it's going to misbehave. It's not aggravating enough to make me switch screen readers, though. I just figure it'll be fixed in a future update and go with it.

Annette

 

On 5/20/2018 11:36 AM, Steve Nutt wrote:

So I wonder what is the determining factor then?

 

All the best


Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Greg Wocher
Sent: 20 May 2018 17:14
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Problems with NVDA and latest Windows 10 1803

 

Hello,

I am running the latest version of NVDA on my HP laptop and I do not have any issues using NVDA with file explorer. I am also using the 1803 Windows update. 

 

Greg Wocher

 

On May 20, 2018, at 7:00 AM, Steve Nutt <steve@...> wrote:

 

I’m assuming you haven’t tried it in the File Explorer app then?  That’s the bug I was reporting.

 

All the best


Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sarah k Alawami
Sent: 18 May 2018 21:28
To: nvda list list <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Problems with NVDA and latest Windows 10 1803

 

I can't remember if I replied or not but lists are fine in the explorer.exe app. I'm so far knock on wood not having any issues as far as I can see, except for obs but that's probably a broken app.

 

On May 16, 2018, at 1:03 AM, Steve Nutt <steve@...> wrote:

 

Hi,

 

I recently reported that Outlook message lists were not reading for me.

 

It is in fact worse than that, lists in general don’t seem to be reading.  For example, File Explorer in Windows 10 is completely silent for me now.

 

JAWS is reading lists quite happily.

 

Any thoughts?

 

Thanks.

 

All the best

 

Steve

 

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Re: The "Modern" NVDA Sounds

Ralf Kefferpuetz
 

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Sent: Dienstag, 22. Mai 2018 08:19
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Subject: Re: [nvda] The "Modern" NVDA Sounds

There were a couple of variations on these at the time. Not sure if I still have them here, but if nobody else can lay their hands on them and shove them in dropbox, I'll have a poke about. Incidentally you cannot attach on this list, its either got to be a direct email or a dropbox link for ease of use.
Note that every time nvda gets updated it will overwrite the sounds, so you need to keep the new ones handy.
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Subject: [nvda] The "Modern" NVDA Sounds


Hi Folks,


Can anyone post the sounds that were in NVDA next snapshots back in 2017?
I much preferred these sounds to the ones packaged with NVDA, and would
like to replace them with the "modern" ones.


Any help would be appreciated.


Noah




Re: Twitter clients. Re: Read Feeds add-on

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I go back a long way. Indeed back to the days of Prestel, which I used to edit on under the Micronet system.
So many services were not free. The way it worked was by pages with red cost amounts in one corner with a warning prior to going to one.
of course as you were subscribed to the system, they could take the extra money and pass it on to the page owners.
Telesoftware was one thing, but also some closed user groups and online games also incurred charges either on a timed basis or cost per page.

Brian

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Sent: Monday, May 21, 2018 10:24 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Twitter clients. Re: Read Feeds add-on


I don't know as a user if I would want to pay to post tweats or own facebook.

As a business sure maybe that would be fine.

But as a user I don't know.

I don't use either service enough to concidder paying for it.

I don't use wordpress enough to warrent me paying for it.




On 5/22/2018 4:33 AM, Ervin, Glenn wrote:
Also, we may have more confidentiality with a paid service. FaceBook may eventually choose this model because when we have a free service, the only method of the company making money is allowing data mining.
Glenn

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Travis Siegel
Sent: Monday, May 21, 2018 11:12 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Twitter clients. Re: Read Feeds add-on

This link:
https://blog.twitter.com/developer/en_us/topics/tools/2018/discontinuing-support-for-twitter-kit-sdk.html
talks about why they are discontinuing support for one of their SDK
tools. It will still continue to work, it's just hat twitter themselves
won't be contributing to it anymore.
On the link:
https://developer.twitter.com/en/pricing.html
you can get details on exactly what they're charging for, and how much,
though it's not laid out in a straightforward method, you need to select
the various features, and their level to see what the fees are.
It actually looks like twitter has been targeting fee based services for
quite some time now. As far back as 2010, twitter was charging for
access to historical data for researchers, commercial developers who
wanted back history, and the like, so this isn't anything new. Last
march, twitter had run a series of surveys, asking if users would be
willing to pay for different components of the twitter landscape. I
didn't find anything breaking down what those responses were, but it
isn't surprising that the questions were being asked. After all, every
company has a need to make money, or they won't remain a company for
very long.
But, as far as the impending charging for access goes:
https://www.xda-developers.com/twitter-new-api-third-party-clients/
seems to indicate that the fees for a standard twitter client aren't
trivial, and seems to contradict what I read earlier about clients
simply not being able to get realtime updates. It appears more digging
is necessary.
Apparently, twitter is trying to herd users into using official twitter
clients only, (or the web site), but as of now, I can't say whether this
is true or not, since there seems to be more knee jerk reactions to the
announcement than actual facts. I suspect truthful information will
slowly filter it's way into the general populous over the next few
months, then we'll know for sure what the deal is, but for now, just
keep using the client of your choice, and wait until it breaks ... (if
it breaks) ... before spreading possibly untrue information about the
change.







Re: The "Modern" NVDA Sounds

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There were a couple of variations on these at the time. Not sure if I still have them here, but if nobody else can lay their hands on them and shove them in dropbox, I'll have a poke about. Incidentally you cannot attach on this list, its either got to be a direct email or a dropbox link for ease of use.
Note that every time nvda gets updated it will overwrite the sounds, so you need to keep the new ones handy.
Brian

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Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2018 1:12 AM
Subject: [nvda] The "Modern" NVDA Sounds


Hi Folks,


Can anyone post the sounds that were in NVDA next snapshots back in 2017? I much preferred these sounds to the ones packaged with NVDA, and would like to replace them with the "modern" ones.


Any help would be appreciated.


Noah



Re: Twitter clients. Re: Read Feeds add-on

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This is th4e second time this has occurred, of course, they did say they would delay it for consultation but really the blind are the smallest part of it. Its everyone else they want to come back to their web site or their own app. Its very similar to what the BBC did with the tv I player some times ago, removing all the metadata needed to construct the off browser experience, so the companies making third party access tools had to resort to screen scraping which as you can imagine besides being slower is also going to mean a new version every time the web site is changed in any way.
As far as I can tell from what the various twitter campaigns say is that Twitter never intended the api to be use to avoid paid for adverts and content, as this is how they keep the platform free for the public.
They have mooted a paid for service with no adverts, but also from reading between the lines they can detect ad blockers and won't let you use the site with one turned on, if not now but eventually.
Looking at it selfishly from their revenue point of view, I suppose they have to make money somehow and with the possibility that in the states the loss of net neutrality possibly meaning sites be paying carriers to not delay their packets, they are just minding their backs. as always the undesired result of poorer access for disabled is just collateral damage.
Brian

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From: "Shaun Everiss" <sm.everiss@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, May 21, 2018 10:20 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Twitter clients. Re: Read Feeds add-on


Well someone on one of my forums has allready got one of those change pititions to twitter to stop breaking it for the blind.

Since I know these things are only feel good things and non binding I am unsure what the point is.

I did sign it but then I sign everything but bar all the extra spam I doubt things will change.





On 5/22/2018 4:11 AM, Travis Siegel wrote:
This link:
https://blog.twitter.com/developer/en_us/topics/tools/2018/discontinuing-support-for-twitter-kit-sdk.html
talks about why they are discontinuing support for one of their SDK tools. It will still continue to work, it's just hat twitter themselves won't be contributing to it anymore.
On the link:
https://developer.twitter.com/en/pricing.html
you can get details on exactly what they're charging for, and how much, though it's not laid out in a straightforward method, you need to select the various features, and their level to see what the fees are.
It actually looks like twitter has been targeting fee based services for quite some time now. As far back as 2010, twitter was charging for access to historical data for researchers, commercial developers who wanted back history, and the like, so this isn't anything new. Last march, twitter had run a series of surveys, asking if users would be willing to pay for different components of the twitter landscape. I didn't find anything breaking down what those responses were, but it isn't surprising that the questions were being asked. After all, every company has a need to make money, or they won't remain a company for very long.
But, as far as the impending charging for access goes:
https://www.xda-developers.com/twitter-new-api-third-party-clients/
seems to indicate that the fees for a standard twitter client aren't trivial, and seems to contradict what I read earlier about clients simply not being able to get realtime updates. It appears more digging is necessary.
Apparently, twitter is trying to herd users into using official twitter clients only, (or the web site), but as of now, I can't say whether this is true or not, since there seems to be more knee jerk reactions to the announcement than actual facts. I suspect truthful information will slowly filter it's way into the general populous over the next few months, then we'll know for sure what the deal is, but for now, just keep using the client of your choice, and wait until it breaks ... (if it breaks) ... before spreading possibly untrue information about the change.



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Re: Problems with NVDA and latest Windows 10 1803

Gene
 

But programs run properly on some machines and not others at times, which is the reason for wide spread beta testing.  I suspect that this is a UIA problem that affects some systems and not others.
 
Gene

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From: Jackie
Sent: Monday, May 21, 2018 1:28 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Problems with NVDA and latest Windows 10 1803

Gene, the problem is that many of us are running the latest update &
are experiencing no such difficulties.

On 5/21/18, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
> I agree.  While certain settings may affect this problem, I doubt that most
> of them do, and not all are appropriate for all computers, such as the
> resolution.  But the reason I'm doubtful that any settings changes will help
> is because this is a new problem after the latest Windows update.  It sounds
> to me like a UIA automation problem, which isn't user correctable.
>
> Gene
> ----- Original message -----
>
> From: Jackie
> Sent: Monday, May 21, 2018 1:10 PM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Problems with NVDA and latest Windows 10 1803
>
>
> W/all due respect, I will disagree w/some of these last comments. I've
> disabled graphics hotkeys, as inadvertently pressing these can cause
> display rotation. I'm not sure if that will cause problems w/NVDA if
> the display is unintentionally rotated, but I can tell you for certain
> sighted folks hate standing on their head to look at the screen. The
> resolution should be that supported by the monitor. Mine, for example,
> is 1920x1080.
>
> Steve, just out of curiosity, have you tried uninstalling & then
> reinstalling NVDA w/the latest update? I'm just wondering if something
> may have gotten corrupted here.
>
> On 5/21/18, Ron Canazzi <aa2vm@...> wrote:
>> Hi Steve,
>>
>>
>> I am wondering about what settings you have for the File Explorer.  I
>> have noticed that with some settings in Windows/file explorer since
>> Windows 7, that it doesn't interface well with screen readers.  In
>> particular, if you have under the view menu extra large icons or grid or
>> something other than list or details checked, you will have problems.
>> First check the view menu to see that either list or details is checked.
>>
>>
>> Also make sure that everything under the group by sub menu is
>> unchecked.  If anything is checked under that menu, it can result in
>> sluggishness and odd behavior.
>>
>>
>> Also under the graphics options sub menu there are sub menus. Under the
>> panel options only the display scaling is checked. Under the resolution
>> sub menu 1024 X 768 is checked. Under the rotaton sub menu, rotate to 0
>> degrees is checked.
>>
>> Under the hotkeys and tray icons sub menu, they are both enabled.
>>
>>
>> Check out these settings and make them conform to the suggestions above
>> and see if that helps with your file explorer issues.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 5/21/2018 11:10 AM, Steve Nutt wrote:
>>>
>>> Yep, this pretty much mirrors my experience, although I can never get
>>> NVDA to read the list now.
>>>
>>> NVDA is pretty horrible with File Explorer under Windows 10, and it’s
>>> got worse with this build.
>>>
>>> All the best
>>>
>>> Steve
>>>
>>> *From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> *On Behalf Of
>>> *Annette Moore
>>> *Sent:* 20 May 2018 20:15
>>> *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
>>> *Subject:* Re: [nvda] Problems with NVDA and latest Windows 10 1803
>>>
>>> I just close file explorer and reopen it when it starts acting funky.
>>> either that, or I shut down NVDA and restart it. Alternatively, I can
>>> sit here and stare at the computer for a few minutes, until it decides
>>> to behave itself, which it does eventually do. It has to be an NVDA
>>> thing, though, because it doesn't do this with System Access at all. I
>>> have trouble alt tabbing between windows when it wants to act up, and
>>> then I have trouble going through list items. It's like the cursor
>>> doesn't want to move through them but it actually does; it's just NVDA
>>> isn't reading me the items. I also find that if I have more than, say,
>>> two or three windows open and I close one of them, it starts working
>>> fine again. It's random, though, so I never know when it's going to
>>> misbehave. It's not aggravating enough to make me switch screen
>>> readers, though. I just figure it'll be fixed in a future update and
>>> go with it.
>>>
>>> Annette
>>>
>>> On 5/20/2018 11:36 AM, Steve Nutt wrote:
>>>
>>>     So I wonder what is the determining factor then?
>>>
>>>     All the best
>>>
>>>
>>>     Steve
>>>
>>>     *From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>>>     <nvda@nvda.groups.io> <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> *On Behalf Of
>>>     *Greg Wocher
>>>     *Sent:* 20 May 2018 17:14
>>>     *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>>>     *Subject:* Re: [nvda] Problems with NVDA and latest Windows 10 1803
>>>
>>>     Hello,
>>>
>>>     I am running the latest version of NVDA on my HP laptop and I do
>>>     not have any issues using NVDA with file explorer. I am also using
>>>     the 1803 Windows update.
>>>
>>>     Greg Wocher
>>>
>>>         On May 20, 2018, at 7:00 AM, Steve Nutt <steve@...
>>>         <mailto:steve@...>> wrote:
>>>
>>>         I’m assuming you haven’t tried it in the File Explorer app
>>>         then?  That’s the bug I was reporting.
>>>
>>>         All the best
>>>
>>>
>>>         Steve
>>>
>>>         *From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io
>>>         <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io><nvda@nvda.groups.io
>>>         <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>>*On Behalf Of*Sarah k Alawami
>>>         *Sent:*18 May 2018 21:28
>>>         *To:*nvda list list <nvda@nvda.groups.io
>>>         <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>>
>>>         *Subject:*Re: [nvda] Problems with NVDA and latest Windows 10
>>> 1803
>>>
>>>         I can't remember if I replied or not but lists are fine in the
>>>         explorer.exe app. I'm so far knock on wood not having any
>>>         issues as far as I can see, except for obs but that's probably
>>>         a broken app.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>             On May 16, 2018, at 1:03 AM, Steve Nutt
>>>             <steve@... <mailto:steve@...>> wrote:
>>>
>>>             Hi,
>>>
>>>             I recently reported that Outlook message lists were not
>>>             reading for me.
>>>
>>>             It is in fact worse than that, lists in general don’t seem
>>>             to be reading.  For example, File Explorer in Windows 10
>>>             is completely silent for me now.
>>>
>>>             JAWS is reading lists quite happily.
>>>
>>>             Any thoughts?
>>>
>>>             Thanks.
>>>
>>>             All the best
>>>
>>>             Steve
>>>
>>>             --
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>>>
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>>>
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>>>
>>>
>>
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Re: Unable to read speaker notes in PowerPoint 2016

Quentin Christensen
 

Happy to help Pranav!  Glad you got it working.

Quentin.

On Tue, May 22, 2018 at 10:41 AM, Pranav Lal <pranav.lal@...> wrote:

Quentin,

<snip You mentioned not being sure if it was the keyboard, if you run your slideshow, and turn input help on (NVDA+1), then press control+shift+s, it should read

PL] Problem solved. I do not know why this did not work when I last tried it. Your input help trick is cool. I am now able to read my speaker notes in slide show mode which is very nice.

 

Pranav




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Re: Unable to read speaker notes in PowerPoint 2016

Pranav Lal
 

Quentin,

<snip You mentioned not being sure if it was the keyboard, if you run your slideshow, and turn input help on (NVDA+1), then press control+shift+s, it should read

PL] Problem solved. I do not know why this did not work when I last tried it. Your input help trick is cool. I am now able to read my speaker notes in slide show mode which is very nice.

 

Pranav


The "Modern" NVDA Sounds

 

Hi Folks,


Can anyone post the sounds that were in NVDA next snapshots back in 2017? I much preferred these sounds to the ones packaged with NVDA, and would like to replace them with the "modern" ones.


Any help would be appreciated.


Noah


Re: new technology challenge

Sarah k Alawami
 

I talk to my compuers and phones, it is actually of use and I have good luck in the louder  environmwnts but then again I have a pretty good head set I use that basically is a directional mic.

On May 21, 2018, at 2:16 PM, Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@...> wrote:

Chances are when on the go you don't want to talk to your computer anyway.

All those assistants send data though.

Unless you are in a quiet environment most of these assistants are quite useless anyway.




On 5/22/2018 2:38 AM, Ervin, Glenn wrote:
I would turn off Courtona for one thing.
It is always listening and sending what you say to Microsoft.
Glenn

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Marisane Moruthanyana
Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2018 10:49 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] new technology challenge

Evening nvda list subscribers

I am Marisane from SA.

I've just bought a win10 machine.

I've had it for a month now.

It's been giving me problems I've not experienced in my life of using
windows operating system machines.

This win10 machine consumes more data than I can understand.

I am contracted to one of SA's network operators (Vodacom).

I receive 4 gb (2 gb per day and 2 gb per night).

The minute I connect my mobile wifi modem, much data is consumed.

What is win10 doing different from what was done by win7?

What extra apps are installed/updated?
Can I delay the update or will this disadvantage my machine? In other
words, will my delaying the update lead my machine to being attacked
by viruses?

How many times should this data-consuming update happen in a month?

What setting do I have to turn off to save data?

Your assistance in this regard is appreciated in advance.
Marisane

On 5/20/18, Jackie <abletec@...> wrote:
Pleasure, Mack. Glad it helped.

On 5/20/18, mcLeod stinnett <macks75205@...> wrote:

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from mack  Jackie, thank you so much. that worked just fine in firefox 52,
e
s r. and nvda 2017.3





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Re: Stopping windows 10 from consuming so much data, was RE: [nvda] new technology challenge

Sarah k Alawami
 

Since I'm on a 1tb per month plan on my wieleess I have everytign turned on and using data. I really don't care. But if you are worried turn off all of that stuff I guess.

On May 21, 2018, at 2:29 PM, Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@...> wrote:

Yes, for windows update you need to.

There are privacy and things you will have to turn off.

I would only turn on things you need, news, sports, weather etc are usefull things but its all what you need or want.

I for one turn it all off and manually get things when I want but if you are on the go it may be usefull to see what the latest weather feed is etc.




On 5/22/2018 6:13 AM, Arlene wrote:
Hey, so, If I get a win ten machine. Do I have to tell it not to share data
with other pcs?

On Mon, May 21, 2018 at 1:39 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io <
bglists@...> wrote:

Is there a strand of Windows 10 that will work like old windows, IE not
forced to get the 6 month updates but still get security patches, so one
can use it without worrying about it having to effectively re install and
change lots of stuff when it does?
Brian

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To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2018 9:06 PM
Subject: Stopping windows 10 from consuming so much data, was RE: [nvda]
new technology challenge



Hello Marisane.
Read this page. It might help you. https://www.techyuga.com/stop-
windows-10-from-using-so-much-data/

I experienced something similar when I first got this machine and was
having trouble with my ISP. I set Windows to use my mobile phone's data
connection, and it promptly maxed me out for the month. I set the
connection to metered .. a little too late, but at least I know to do it if
I ever need to tether to the phone again. Now, the page above is somewhat
out of date; I believe mS has made some changes in the last year, due in
parts to complaints like yours. If you get stuck, do a google search for
something like "setting metered connection in Windows 10" and you should
eventually be set straight.


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Marisane Moruthanyana
Sent: May 20, 2018 11:49 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] new technology challenge

Evening nvda list subscribers

I am Marisane from SA.

I've just bought a win10 machine.

I've had it for a month now.

It's been giving me problems I've not experienced in my life of using
windows operating system machines.

This win10 machine consumes more data than I can understand.

I am contracted to one of SA's network operators (Vodacom).

I receive 4 gb (2 gb per day and 2 gb per night).

The minute I connect my mobile wifi modem, much data is consumed.

What is win10 doing different from what was done by win7?

What extra apps are installed/updated?
Can I delay the update or will this disadvantage my machine? In other
words, will my delaying the update lead my machine to being attacked by
viruses?

How many times should this data-consuming update happen in a month?

What setting do I have to turn off to save data?

Your assistance in this regard is appreciated in advance.
Marisane

On 5/20/18, Jackie <abletec@...> wrote:

Pleasure, Mack. Glad it helped.

On 5/20/18, mcLeod stinnett <macks75205@...> wrote:


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firefox 52, e s r. and nvda 2017.3





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Re: Twitter clients. Re: Read Feeds add-on

Sarah k Alawami
 

Ther eis no such thing as a free lunch. I hap over 100 dollars a month for  my podcast and that's for 3 or 4 separate  survices just to keep the thign running. I'm willing to do it to. It's better than the free option any day.

On May 21, 2018, at 2:33 PM, Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@...> wrote:

Wordpress does that for pro sites and a few things but not basic services.

I have to work to get it to not do that now but yeah its all going that way.




On 5/22/2018 9:27 AM, Ervin, Glenn wrote:
I heard a news story that stated that FB might start charging.
It might be a choice, where one gets to do more with it if you pay.
Glenn

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss
Sent: Monday, May 21, 2018 4:24 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Twitter clients. Re: Read Feeds add-on

I don't know as a user if I would want to pay to post tweats or own
facebook.

As a business sure maybe that would be fine.

But as a user I don't know.

I don't use either service enough to concidder paying for it.

I don't use wordpress enough to warrent me paying for it.




On 5/22/2018 4:33 AM, Ervin, Glenn wrote:
Also, we may have more confidentiality with a paid service. FaceBook may eventually choose this model because when we have a free service, the only method of the company making money is allowing data mining.
Glenn

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Travis Siegel
Sent: Monday, May 21, 2018 11:12 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Twitter clients. Re: Read Feeds add-on

This link:
https://blog.twitter.com/developer/en_us/topics/tools/2018/discontinuing-support-for-twitter-kit-sdk.html
talks about why they are discontinuing support for one of their SDK
tools.  It will still continue to work, it's just hat twitter themselves
won't be contributing to it anymore.
On the link:
https://developer.twitter.com/en/pricing.html
you can get details on exactly what they're charging for, and how much,
though it's not laid out in a straightforward method, you need to select
the various features, and their level to see what the fees are.
It actually looks like twitter has been targeting fee based services for
quite some time now.  As far back as 2010, twitter was charging for
access to historical data for researchers, commercial developers who
wanted back history, and the like, so this isn't anything new. Last
march, twitter had run a series of surveys, asking if users would be
willing to pay for different components of the twitter landscape.  I
didn't find anything breaking down what those responses were, but it
isn't surprising that the questions were being asked.  After all, every
company has a need to make money, or they won't remain a company for
very long.
But, as far as the impending charging for access goes:
https://www.xda-developers.com/twitter-new-api-third-party-clients/
seems to indicate that the fees for a standard twitter client aren't
trivial, and seems to contradict what I read earlier about clients
simply not being able to get realtime updates.  It appears more digging
is necessary.
Apparently, twitter is trying to herd users into using official twitter
clients only, (or the web site), but as of now, I can't say whether this
is true or not, since there seems to be more knee jerk reactions to the
announcement than actual facts.  I suspect truthful information will
slowly filter it's way into the general populous over the next few
months, then we'll know for sure what the deal is, but for now, just
keep using the client of your choice, and wait until it breaks ... (if
it breaks) ... before spreading possibly untrue information about the
change.
















Re: Using NVDA with a Twitter Account

Sarah k Alawami
 

It's 15 api calls per 15 minutes. This goes across all buffers. I check every 30 seconds so I use all of them. I want to know what's happening  now and this is on the tw blue. And all of my other clients. Iv'e eaten through all 15 api calls  in one go because I have  all clients checking right now on my command.

On May 21, 2018, at 3:07 PM, Roger Stewart <paganus2@...> wrote:

I know there are settings in Chicken Nugget and TW Blue to set how often it makes what they call "API" calls.  There is some kind of limit on how many it can make per hour, but before there was real time streaming, it used to work pretty well. Think it checked every 5 minutes or maybe more often than that.  If this will be the case again, then I should be able to live with it.

Roger










On 5/21/2018 4:14 PM, Shaun Everiss wrote:
Well it just may mean that I set a schedual in my app to check every few minutes like email.

There may be limits.

Its no secret that twitter and some other social networks are not doing so well money wize.

It will suck when it all busts but then it wasn't so long ago where free internet was the thing.

That ended because it just couldn't be funded at all, the big companies tried it and it never worked here i new zealand.




On 5/21/2018 10:28 PM, Clare Page wrote:
Hi!
Judging from what I have heard recently, third party client developers having  to pay exorbitant fees to use the new Twitter API is only part of the story.
I gather that third party Twitter clients should still work after 16 August, but, as the new Twitter API replaces the streaming API we've had for some years now, not having the new API in third party clients means that they will no longer be able to stream tweets: in npractice, this simply means that users will have to wait longer for tweets to come in, which was the case when I joined Twitter in 2009 anyway, so it's not a big deal-breaker for me.
As for Twitter with NVDA, to get back to the subject of this list, I do not know, as a Windows 7 user, whether the Windows 10 Twitter UWP app works well with NVDA, but NVDA users should still be able to use the currently accessible third party Twitter clients after 16 August, but without streaming of tweets, if I understand right. So there may not be a monopoly on Twitter after all.
I hope this reassures anyone on this list who uses third party accessible Twitter clients at least a bit!
Bye for now!
>From Clare

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Sent: lundi 21 mai 2018 10:34
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Using NVDA with a Twitter Account

It affects all third party apps wherever they run.
  its the old API which is deprecated.
  The new one to do the same sort of thing has to be paid for by the app
makers and twitter have made the cost so high, I suspect only themselves
will be able to use it and hence make sure you get the promoted adverts by
default. its what I always said about the one game in town syndrome. You get
your monopoly then you cut everyone else out and coin in the dosh.
  Cynical? me?
  :-)

Brian

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Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2018 5:10 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Using NVDA with a Twitter Account


Hello,

Does this effect android apps as well? So, August it sounds like your
saying it's the win10 app or nothing on that platform or the web site?

Thanks.
Dave.


On 5/20/18, Lino Morales <linomorales001@...> wrote:
Hi. Just wanted to let you all know if you didn’t know already as of the
middle of August we will no longer have access to the 3rd party apps that
work with Twitter such as TW Blue etc. So if you are on WIN 10 use the
newly
improved Twitter UWP app which is accessible. They are changing their API
for 3rd party access so if you want to complain to Twitter do so in the
appropriate places.

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Marcia Yale
Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2018 9:56 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Using NVDA with a Twitter Account

I use Chicken Nugget on my Windows machine and it works great with NVDA.
Usually the follow/unfollow commands are on the user details or profile
screen, so find that screen in TW Blue and you should be able to find the
buttons for following.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Rich
De
Steno
Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2018 7:51 AM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Using NVDA with a Twitter Account

What is the easiest way to "follow" and "unfollow" sources with NVDA. The
official Twitter web site merely advises to "hover over the person with
your
mouse", offering no keyboard option.  I am using TW Blue and find no
keyboard method of "following" or "unfollowing" a source. Even the
applications key fails to offer such an option.

-- 
Rich De Steno


























Re: Using NVDA with a Twitter Account

Roger Stewart
 

I know there are settings in Chicken Nugget and TW Blue to set how often it makes what they call "API" calls.  There is some kind of limit on how many it can make per hour, but before there was real time streaming, it used to work pretty well. Think it checked every 5 minutes or maybe more often than that.  If this will be the case again, then I should be able to live with it.

Roger

On 5/21/2018 4:14 PM, Shaun Everiss wrote:
Well it just may mean that I set a schedual in my app to check every few minutes like email.

There may be limits.

Its no secret that twitter and some other social networks are not doing so well money wize.

It will suck when it all busts but then it wasn't so long ago where free internet was the thing.

That ended because it just couldn't be funded at all, the big companies tried it and it never worked here i new zealand.




On 5/21/2018 10:28 PM, Clare Page wrote:
Hi!
Judging from what I have heard recently, third party client developers having  to pay exorbitant fees to use the new Twitter API is only part of the story.
I gather that third party Twitter clients should still work after 16 August, but, as the new Twitter API replaces the streaming API we've had for some years now, not having the new API in third party clients means that they will no longer be able to stream tweets: in npractice, this simply means that users will have to wait longer for tweets to come in, which was the case when I joined Twitter in 2009 anyway, so it's not a big deal-breaker for me.
As for Twitter with NVDA, to get back to the subject of this list, I do not know, as a Windows 7 user, whether the Windows 10 Twitter UWP app works well with NVDA, but NVDA users should still be able to use the currently accessible third party Twitter clients after 16 August, but without streaming of tweets, if I understand right. So there may not be a monopoly on Twitter after all.
I hope this reassures anyone on this list who uses third party accessible Twitter clients at least a bit!
Bye for now!
From Clare
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Sent: lundi 21 mai 2018 10:34
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Using NVDA with a Twitter Account

It affects all third party apps wherever they run.
  its the old API which is deprecated.
  The new one to do the same sort of thing has to be paid for by the app
makers and twitter have made the cost so high, I suspect only themselves
will be able to use it and hence make sure you get the promoted adverts by
default. its what I always said about the one game in town syndrome. You get
your monopoly then you cut everyone else out and coin in the dosh.
  Cynical? me?
  :-)

Brian

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From: "David Mehler" <dave.mehler@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2018 5:10 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Using NVDA with a Twitter Account


Hello,

Does this effect android apps as well? So, August it sounds like your
saying it's the win10 app or nothing on that platform or the web site?

Thanks.
Dave.


On 5/20/18, Lino Morales <linomorales001@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi. Just wanted to let you all know if you didn’t know already as of the
middle of August we will no longer have access to the 3rd party apps that
work with Twitter such as TW Blue etc. So if you are on WIN 10 use the
newly
improved Twitter UWP app which is accessible. They are changing their API
for 3rd party access so if you want to complain to Twitter do so in the
appropriate places.

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Marcia Yale
Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2018 9:56 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Using NVDA with a Twitter Account

I use Chicken Nugget on my Windows machine and it works great with NVDA.
Usually the follow/unfollow commands are on the user details or profile
screen, so find that screen in TW Blue and you should be able to find the
buttons for following.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Rich
De
Steno
Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2018 7:51 AM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Using NVDA with a Twitter Account

What is the easiest way to "follow" and "unfollow" sources with NVDA. The
official Twitter web site merely advises to "hover over the person with
your
mouse", offering no keyboard option.  I am using TW Blue and find no
keyboard method of "following" or "unfollowing" a source. Even the
applications key fails to offer such an option.

--
Rich De Steno


















Re: [nvda-addons] Choice script ide

 

Oh! yes. I was talking about writing them. I play a lot of FF games on ffproject.com but they don't pay writers to host their games, so I chose not to publish with them. For anybody else though, the accessible tree to CSIDE is below.

https://github.com/ChoicescriptIDE/main/tree/accessibility


Re: Strange behaviour of NVDA on Wikipedia

Gene
 

Then it may well be that there is no relation.  I don't know if the list reading problem in file explorer might be a UIA problem or not but I believe UIA is used when reading lists of files and folders.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, May 21, 2018 2:51 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Strange behaviour of NVDA on Wikipedia

Just tried with waterfox and Firefox.  No problems to report.  Cheers!


On 5/22/2018 3:41 AM, Travis Siegel wrote:

I only use chrome, so no idea if it happens on firefox or not.


On 5/21/2018 3:31 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:

Hi,

And is this across all browsers tested?

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Travis Siegel
Sent: Monday, May 21, 2018 12:28 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Strange behaviour of NVDA on Wikipedia

 

It's not just on wikipedia, it happens on other web pages too.  I thought it was just an artifact of the way the page was laid out, I didn't think it was an NVDA problem, but it certainly could be.  No idea what would caus it though.

 

On 5/21/2018 2:49 PM, Morne van der Merwe wrote:

Hello list,

 

Please bare with me. I am going to explain my problem as best as I can.

 

I’m running the latest version of NVDA as well as Windows 10.

 

When I’m reading about a country on Wikipedia, NVDA read the information and, when reading the next part of information, NVDA adds the previous information as well. And before reading the next information, it repeats the previous information.  I’m going to give an example.

 

Currently I have “Germany” open in Wikkippedia.  NVDA reads “Federal republic of Germany, Bundesrepublik Deutschland.” 

 

Then I arrow down to the next piece of informationwhich is the information about the capital and largest city.  I hear the following information:  “Capital and largest city. Federal Republic of Deutschland, Bundesrepublik Deutschland Berlin.” So, I get to the next piece of information, but I hear the previous piece of information again.

 

Well, I really hope I explained my problem sufficient enough to get some help.

 

Thanks in advance.

 

Kind regards

Morné

 

 

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Re: Strange behaviour of NVDA on Wikipedia

Gene
 

Could this be another symptom of what I suspect is UIA improper functioning?  I don't have the technical knowledge to know if there could be a relation between reading the list problem in file explorer and this one. 
 
Gene

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Sent: Monday, May 21, 2018 2:41 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Strange behaviour of NVDA on Wikipedia

I only use chrome, so no idea if it happens on firefox or not.


On 5/21/2018 3:31 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:

Hi,

And is this across all browsers tested?

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Travis Siegel
Sent: Monday, May 21, 2018 12:28 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Strange behaviour of NVDA on Wikipedia

 

It's not just on wikipedia, it happens on other web pages too.  I thought it was just an artifact of the way the page was laid out, I didn't think it was an NVDA problem, but it certainly could be.  No idea what would caus it though.

 

On 5/21/2018 2:49 PM, Morne van der Merwe wrote:

Hello list,

 

Please bare with me. I am going to explain my problem as best as I can.

 

I’m running the latest version of NVDA as well as Windows 10.

 

When I’m reading about a country on Wikipedia, NVDA read the information and, when reading the next part of information, NVDA adds the previous information as well. And before reading the next information, it repeats the previous information.  I’m going to give an example.

 

Currently I have “Germany” open in Wikkippedia.  NVDA reads “Federal republic of Germany, Bundesrepublik Deutschland.” 

 

Then I arrow down to the next piece of informationwhich is the information about the capital and largest city.  I hear the following information:  “Capital and largest city. Federal Republic of Deutschland, Bundesrepublik Deutschland Berlin.” So, I get to the next piece of information, but I hear the previous piece of information again.

 

Well, I really hope I explained my problem sufficient enough to get some help.

 

Thanks in advance.

 

Kind regards

Morné

 

 

Virus-free. www.avast.com



Re: Twitter clients. Re: Read Feeds add-on

 

Wordpress does that for pro sites and a few things but not basic services.

I have to work to get it to not do that now but yeah its all going that way.

On 5/22/2018 9:27 AM, Ervin, Glenn wrote:
I heard a news story that stated that FB might start charging.
It might be a choice, where one gets to do more with it if you pay.
Glenn

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss
Sent: Monday, May 21, 2018 4:24 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Twitter clients. Re: Read Feeds add-on

I don't know as a user if I would want to pay to post tweats or own
facebook.

As a business sure maybe that would be fine.

But as a user I don't know.

I don't use either service enough to concidder paying for it.

I don't use wordpress enough to warrent me paying for it.




On 5/22/2018 4:33 AM, Ervin, Glenn wrote:
Also, we may have more confidentiality with a paid service. FaceBook may eventually choose this model because when we have a free service, the only method of the company making money is allowing data mining.
Glenn

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Travis Siegel
Sent: Monday, May 21, 2018 11:12 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Twitter clients. Re: Read Feeds add-on

This link:
https://blog.twitter.com/developer/en_us/topics/tools/2018/discontinuing-support-for-twitter-kit-sdk.html
talks about why they are discontinuing support for one of their SDK
tools.  It will still continue to work, it's just hat twitter themselves
won't be contributing to it anymore.
On the link:
https://developer.twitter.com/en/pricing.html
you can get details on exactly what they're charging for, and how much,
though it's not laid out in a straightforward method, you need to select
the various features, and their level to see what the fees are.
It actually looks like twitter has been targeting fee based services for
quite some time now.  As far back as 2010, twitter was charging for
access to historical data for researchers, commercial developers who
wanted back history, and the like, so this isn't anything new. Last
march, twitter had run a series of surveys, asking if users would be
willing to pay for different components of the twitter landscape.  I
didn't find anything breaking down what those responses were, but it
isn't surprising that the questions were being asked.  After all, every
company has a need to make money, or they won't remain a company for
very long.
But, as far as the impending charging for access goes:
https://www.xda-developers.com/twitter-new-api-third-party-clients/
seems to indicate that the fees for a standard twitter client aren't
trivial, and seems to contradict what I read earlier about clients
simply not being able to get realtime updates.  It appears more digging
is necessary.
Apparently, twitter is trying to herd users into using official twitter
clients only, (or the web site), but as of now, I can't say whether this
is true or not, since there seems to be more knee jerk reactions to the
announcement than actual facts.  I suspect truthful information will
slowly filter it's way into the general populous over the next few
months, then we'll know for sure what the deal is, but for now, just
keep using the client of your choice, and wait until it breaks ... (if
it breaks) ... before spreading possibly untrue information about the
change.










Re: Stopping windows 10 from consuming so much data, was RE: [nvda] new technology challenge

 

Yes, for windows update you need to.

There are privacy and things you will have to turn off.

I would only turn on things you need, news, sports, weather etc are usefull things but its all what you need or want.

I for one turn it all off and manually get things when I want but if you are on the go it may be usefull to see what the latest weather feed is etc.

On 5/22/2018 6:13 AM, Arlene wrote:
Hey, so, If I get a win ten machine. Do I have to tell it not to share data
with other pcs?

On Mon, May 21, 2018 at 1:39 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io <
bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io> wrote:

Is there a strand of Windows 10 that will work like old windows, IE not
forced to get the 6 month updates but still get security patches, so one
can use it without worrying about it having to effectively re install and
change lots of stuff when it does?
Brian

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Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2018 9:06 PM
Subject: Stopping windows 10 from consuming so much data, was RE: [nvda]
new technology challenge



Hello Marisane.
Read this page. It might help you. https://www.techyuga.com/stop-
windows-10-from-using-so-much-data/

I experienced something similar when I first got this machine and was
having trouble with my ISP. I set Windows to use my mobile phone's data
connection, and it promptly maxed me out for the month. I set the
connection to metered .. a little too late, but at least I know to do it if
I ever need to tether to the phone again. Now, the page above is somewhat
out of date; I believe mS has made some changes in the last year, due in
parts to complaints like yours. If you get stuck, do a google search for
something like "setting metered connection in Windows 10" and you should
eventually be set straight.


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Marisane Moruthanyana
Sent: May 20, 2018 11:49 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] new technology challenge

Evening nvda list subscribers

I am Marisane from SA.

I've just bought a win10 machine.

I've had it for a month now.

It's been giving me problems I've not experienced in my life of using
windows operating system machines.

This win10 machine consumes more data than I can understand.

I am contracted to one of SA's network operators (Vodacom).

I receive 4 gb (2 gb per day and 2 gb per night).

The minute I connect my mobile wifi modem, much data is consumed.

What is win10 doing different from what was done by win7?

What extra apps are installed/updated?
Can I delay the update or will this disadvantage my machine? In other
words, will my delaying the update lead my machine to being attacked by
viruses?

How many times should this data-consuming update happen in a month?

What setting do I have to turn off to save data?

Your assistance in this regard is appreciated in advance.
Marisane

On 5/20/18, Jackie <abletec@gmail.com> wrote:

Pleasure, Mack. Glad it helped.

On 5/20/18, mcLeod stinnett <macks75205@gmail.com> wrote:


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from mack Jackie, thank you so much. that worked just fine in
firefox 52, e s r. and nvda 2017.3




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