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Re: Stopping windows 10 from consuming so much data, was RE: [nvda] new technology challenge

Arlene
 

Hey, so, If I get a win ten machine. Do I have to tell it not to share data with other pcs?

On Mon, May 21, 2018 at 1:39 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io <bglists@...> wrote:
Is there a strand of Windows 10 that will work like old windows, IE not forced to get the 6 month updates but still get security patches, so one can use it without worrying about it having to effectively re install and change lots of stuff when it does?
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "JM Casey" <crystallogic@...>
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Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2018 9:06 PM
Subject: Stopping windows 10 from consuming so much data, was RE: [nvda] new technology challenge



Hello Marisane.
Read this page. It might help you. https://www.techyuga.com/stop-windows-10-from-using-so-much-data/

I experienced something similar when I first got this machine and was having trouble with my ISP. I set Windows to use my mobile phone's data connection, and it promptly maxed me out for the month. I set the connection to metered .. a little too late, but at least I know to do it if I ever need to tether to the phone again. Now, the page above is somewhat out of date; I believe mS has made some changes in the last year, due in parts to complaints like yours. If you get stuck, do a google search for something like "setting metered connection in Windows 10" and you should eventually be set straight.


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Marisane Moruthanyana
Sent: May 20, 2018 11:49 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] new technology challenge

Evening nvda list subscribers

I am Marisane from SA.

I've just bought a win10 machine.

I've had it for a month now.

It's been giving me problems I've not experienced in my life of using windows operating system machines.

This win10 machine consumes more data than I can understand.

I am contracted to one of SA's network operators (Vodacom).

I receive 4 gb (2 gb per day and 2 gb per night).

The minute I connect my mobile wifi modem, much data is consumed.

What is win10 doing different from what was done by win7?

What extra apps are installed/updated?
Can I delay the update or will this disadvantage my machine? In other words, will my delaying the update lead my machine to being attacked by viruses?

How many times should this data-consuming update happen in a month?

What setting do I have to turn off to save data?

Your assistance in this regard is appreciated in advance.
Marisane

On 5/20/18, Jackie <abletec@...> wrote:
Pleasure, Mack. Glad it helped.

On 5/20/18, mcLeod stinnett <macks75205@...> wrote:


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Re: Problems with NVDA and latest Windows 10 1803

Jackie
 

W/all due respect, I will disagree w/some of these last comments. I've
disabled graphics hotkeys, as inadvertently pressing these can cause
display rotation. I'm not sure if that will cause problems w/NVDA if
the display is unintentionally rotated, but I can tell you for certain
sighted folks hate standing on their head to look at the screen. The
resolution should be that supported by the monitor. Mine, for example,
is 1920x1080.

Steve, just out of curiosity, have you tried uninstalling & then
reinstalling NVDA w/the latest update? I'm just wondering if something
may have gotten corrupted here.

On 5/21/18, Ron Canazzi <aa2vm@roadrunner.com> wrote:
Hi Steve,


I am wondering about what settings you have for the File Explorer.  I
have noticed that with some settings in Windows/file explorer since
Windows 7, that it doesn't interface well with screen readers.  In
particular, if you have under the view menu extra large icons or grid or
something other than list or details checked, you will have problems.
First check the view menu to see that either list or details is checked.


Also make sure that everything under the group by sub menu is
unchecked.  If anything is checked under that menu, it can result in
sluggishness and odd behavior.


Also under the graphics options sub menu there are sub menus. Under the
panel options only the display scaling is checked. Under the resolution
sub menu 1024 X 768 is checked. Under the rotaton sub menu, rotate to 0
degrees is checked.

Under the hotkeys and tray icons sub menu, they are both enabled.


Check out these settings and make them conform to the suggestions above
and see if that helps with your file explorer issues.



On 5/21/2018 11:10 AM, Steve Nutt wrote:

Yep, this pretty much mirrors my experience, although I can never get
NVDA to read the list now.

NVDA is pretty horrible with File Explorer under Windows 10, and it’s
got worse with this build.

All the best

Steve

*From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> *On Behalf Of
*Annette Moore
*Sent:* 20 May 2018 20:15
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] Problems with NVDA and latest Windows 10 1803

I just close file explorer and reopen it when it starts acting funky.
either that, or I shut down NVDA and restart it. Alternatively, I can
sit here and stare at the computer for a few minutes, until it decides
to behave itself, which it does eventually do. It has to be an NVDA
thing, though, because it doesn't do this with System Access at all. I
have trouble alt tabbing between windows when it wants to act up, and
then I have trouble going through list items. It's like the cursor
doesn't want to move through them but it actually does; it's just NVDA
isn't reading me the items. I also find that if I have more than, say,
two or three windows open and I close one of them, it starts working
fine again. It's random, though, so I never know when it's going to
misbehave. It's not aggravating enough to make me switch screen
readers, though. I just figure it'll be fixed in a future update and
go with it.

Annette

On 5/20/2018 11:36 AM, Steve Nutt wrote:

So I wonder what is the determining factor then?

All the best


Steve

*From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
<nvda@nvda.groups.io> <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> *On Behalf Of
*Greg Wocher
*Sent:* 20 May 2018 17:14
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] Problems with NVDA and latest Windows 10 1803

Hello,

I am running the latest version of NVDA on my HP laptop and I do
not have any issues using NVDA with file explorer. I am also using
the 1803 Windows update.

Greg Wocher

On May 20, 2018, at 7:00 AM, Steve Nutt <steve@comproom.co.uk
<mailto:steve@comproom.co.uk>> wrote:

I’m assuming you haven’t tried it in the File Explorer app
then?  That’s the bug I was reporting.

All the best


Steve

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<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io><nvda@nvda.groups.io
<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>>*On Behalf Of*Sarah k Alawami
*Sent:*18 May 2018 21:28
*To:*nvda list list <nvda@nvda.groups.io
<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>>
*Subject:*Re: [nvda] Problems with NVDA and latest Windows 10
1803

I can't remember if I replied or not but lists are fine in the
explorer.exe app. I'm so far knock on wood not having any
issues as far as I can see, except for obs but that's probably
a broken app.



On May 16, 2018, at 1:03 AM, Steve Nutt
<steve@comproom.co.uk <mailto:steve@comproom.co.uk>> wrote:

Hi,

I recently reported that Outlook message lists were not
reading for me.

It is in fact worse than that, lists in general don’t seem
to be reading.  For example, File Explorer in Windows 10
is completely silent for me now.

JAWS is reading lists quite happily.

Any thoughts?

Thanks.

All the best

Steve

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Re: Twitter clients. Re: Read Feeds add-on

Gene
 

Most people won't pay, regardless and only those who pay may get more confidentiality. 
 
I haven't looked into this, but I think this is being done to discourage people from using third party clients, which, I suspect, don't show advertising.  So I doubt a paid service is coming and I suspect this is just to cause more people to receive ads.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, May 21, 2018 11:33 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Twitter clients. Re: Read Feeds add-on

Also, we may have more confidentiality with a paid service.  FaceBook may eventually choose this model because when we have a free service, the only method of the company making money is allowing data mining.
Glenn

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Travis Siegel
Sent: Monday, May 21, 2018 11:12 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Twitter clients. Re: Read Feeds add-on

This link:
https://blog.twitter.com/developer/en_us/topics/tools/2018/discontinuing-support-for-twitter-kit-sdk.html
talks about why they are discontinuing support for one of their SDK
tools.  It will still continue to work, it's just hat twitter themselves
won't be contributing to it anymore.
On the link:
https://developer.twitter.com/en/pricing.html
you can get details on exactly what they're charging for, and how much,
though it's not laid out in a straightforward method, you need to select
the various features, and their level to see what the fees are.
It actually looks like twitter has been targeting fee based services for
quite some time now.  As far back as 2010, twitter was charging for
access to historical data for researchers, commercial developers who
wanted back history, and the like, so this isn't anything new. Last
march, twitter had run a series of surveys, asking if users would be
willing to pay for different components of the twitter landscape.  I
didn't find anything breaking down what those responses were, but it
isn't surprising that the questions were being asked.  After all, every
company has a need to make money, or they won't remain a company for
very long.
But, as far as the impending charging for access goes:
https://www.xda-developers.com/twitter-new-api-third-party-clients/
seems to indicate that the fees for a standard twitter client aren't
trivial, and seems to contradict what I read earlier about clients
simply not being able to get realtime updates.  It appears more digging
is necessary.
Apparently, twitter is trying to herd users into using official twitter
clients only, (or the web site), but as of now, I can't say whether this
is true or not, since there seems to be more knee jerk reactions to the
announcement than actual facts.  I suspect truthful information will
slowly filter it's way into the general populous over the next few
months, then we'll know for sure what the deal is, but for now, just
keep using the client of your choice, and wait until it breaks ... (if
it breaks) ... before spreading possibly untrue information about the
change.








Re: Problems with NVDA and latest Windows 10 1803

Ron Canazzi
 

Hi Steve,


I am wondering about what settings you have for the File Explorer.  I have noticed that with some settings in Windows/file explorer since Windows 7, that it doesn't interface well with screen readers.  In particular, if you have under the view menu extra large icons or grid or something other than list or details checked, you will have problems.  First check the view menu to see that either list or details is checked.


Also make sure that everything under the group by sub menu is unchecked.  If anything is checked under that menu, it can result in sluggishness and odd behavior.


Also under the graphics options sub menu there are sub menus.  Under the panel options only the display scaling is checked. Under the resolution sub menu 1024 X 768 is checked. Under the rotaton sub menu, rotate to 0 degrees is checked. 

Under the hotkeys and tray icons sub menu, they are both enabled.


Check out these settings and make them conform to the suggestions above and see if that helps with your file explorer issues.



On 5/21/2018 11:10 AM, Steve Nutt wrote:

Yep, this pretty much mirrors my experience, although I can never get NVDA to read the list now.

 

NVDA is pretty horrible with File Explorer under Windows 10, and it’s got worse with this build.

 

All the best

 

Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Annette Moore
Sent: 20 May 2018 20:15
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Problems with NVDA and latest Windows 10 1803

 

I just close file explorer and reopen it when it starts acting funky. either that, or I shut down NVDA and restart it. Alternatively, I can sit here and stare at the computer for a few minutes, until it decides to behave itself, which it does eventually do. It has to be an NVDA thing, though, because it doesn't do this with System Access at all. I have trouble alt tabbing between windows when it wants to act up, and then I have trouble going through list items. It's like the cursor doesn't want to move through them but it actually does; it's just NVDA isn't reading me the items. I also find that if I have more than, say, two or three windows open and I close one of them, it starts working fine again. It's random, though, so I never know when it's going to misbehave. It's not aggravating enough to make me switch screen readers, though. I just figure it'll be fixed in a future update and go with it.

Annette

 

On 5/20/2018 11:36 AM, Steve Nutt wrote:

So I wonder what is the determining factor then?

 

All the best


Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Greg Wocher
Sent: 20 May 2018 17:14
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Problems with NVDA and latest Windows 10 1803

 

Hello,

I am running the latest version of NVDA on my HP laptop and I do not have any issues using NVDA with file explorer. I am also using the 1803 Windows update. 

 

Greg Wocher

 

On May 20, 2018, at 7:00 AM, Steve Nutt <steve@...> wrote:

 

I’m assuming you haven’t tried it in the File Explorer app then?  That’s the bug I was reporting.

 

All the best


Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sarah k Alawami
Sent: 18 May 2018 21:28
To: nvda list list <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Problems with NVDA and latest Windows 10 1803

 

I can't remember if I replied or not but lists are fine in the explorer.exe app. I'm so far knock on wood not having any issues as far as I can see, except for obs but that's probably a broken app.



On May 16, 2018, at 1:03 AM, Steve Nutt <steve@...> wrote:

 

Hi,

 

I recently reported that Outlook message lists were not reading for me.

 

It is in fact worse than that, lists in general don’t seem to be reading.  For example, File Explorer in Windows 10 is completely silent for me now.

 

JAWS is reading lists quite happily.

 

Any thoughts?

 

Thanks.

 

All the best

 

Steve

 

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Re: Espeak UK English words

Reece H. Dunn
 

On Mon, May 21, 2018 at 01:43 am, Brian's Mail list account wrote:
Hi I have been told that most of the pronunciations that were wrong like
for and newsletter etc, have been fixed some time ago in the project, but
from what I can tell in the latest nvda master its still not been
transferred over.
You need the latest nvda development/next branch for the eSpeak NG fixes.

What is the issue, is Espeak NG now in some other troubles
Not as far as I am aware.

On Mon, May 21, 2018 at 02:15 am, Quentin Christensen wrote:
NVDA updated to eSpeak 1.49.2 in NVDA 2017.4.

eSpeak 1.49.3 is in development but not yet released.  So they may have addressed some of the issues but they haven't released them yet :)
I'm planning on releasing 1.49.3 in line with Unicode 11, so it has the updated Unicode characters and emoji.

Kind regards,
Reece


Re: Twitter clients. Re: Read Feeds add-on

Ervin, Glenn
 

Also, we may have more confidentiality with a paid service. FaceBook may eventually choose this model because when we have a free service, the only method of the company making money is allowing data mining.
Glenn

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Travis Siegel
Sent: Monday, May 21, 2018 11:12 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Twitter clients. Re: Read Feeds add-on

This link:
https://blog.twitter.com/developer/en_us/topics/tools/2018/discontinuing-support-for-twitter-kit-sdk.html
talks about why they are discontinuing support for one of their SDK
tools.  It will still continue to work, it's just hat twitter themselves
won't be contributing to it anymore.
On the link:
https://developer.twitter.com/en/pricing.html
you can get details on exactly what they're charging for, and how much,
though it's not laid out in a straightforward method, you need to select
the various features, and their level to see what the fees are.
It actually looks like twitter has been targeting fee based services for
quite some time now.  As far back as 2010, twitter was charging for
access to historical data for researchers, commercial developers who
wanted back history, and the like, so this isn't anything new. Last
march, twitter had run a series of surveys, asking if users would be
willing to pay for different components of the twitter landscape.  I
didn't find anything breaking down what those responses were, but it
isn't surprising that the questions were being asked.  After all, every
company has a need to make money, or they won't remain a company for
very long.
But, as far as the impending charging for access goes:
https://www.xda-developers.com/twitter-new-api-third-party-clients/
seems to indicate that the fees for a standard twitter client aren't
trivial, and seems to contradict what I read earlier about clients
simply not being able to get realtime updates.  It appears more digging
is necessary.
Apparently, twitter is trying to herd users into using official twitter
clients only, (or the web site), but as of now, I can't say whether this
is true or not, since there seems to be more knee jerk reactions to the
announcement than actual facts.  I suspect truthful information will
slowly filter it's way into the general populous over the next few
months, then we'll know for sure what the deal is, but for now, just
keep using the client of your choice, and wait until it breaks ... (if
it breaks) ... before spreading possibly untrue information about the
change.


Re: Twitter clients. Re: Read Feeds add-on

Travis Siegel <tsiegel@...>
 

This link:
https://blog.twitter.com/developer/en_us/topics/tools/2018/discontinuing-support-for-twitter-kit-sdk.html
talks about why they are discontinuing support for one of their SDK tools.  It will still continue to work, it's just hat twitter themselves won't be contributing to it anymore.
On the link:
https://developer.twitter.com/en/pricing.html
you can get details on exactly what they're charging for, and how much, though it's not laid out in a straightforward method, you need to select the various features, and their level to see what the fees are.
It actually looks like twitter has been targeting fee based services for quite some time now.  As far back as 2010, twitter was charging for access to historical data for researchers, commercial developers who wanted back history, and the like, so this isn't anything new. Last march, twitter had run a series of surveys, asking if users would be willing to pay for different components of the twitter landscape.  I didn't find anything breaking down what those responses were, but it isn't surprising that the questions were being asked.  After all, every company has a need to make money, or they won't remain a company for very long.
But, as far as the impending charging for access goes:
https://www.xda-developers.com/twitter-new-api-third-party-clients/
seems to indicate that the fees for a standard twitter client aren't trivial, and seems to contradict what I read earlier about clients simply not being able to get realtime updates.  It appears more digging is necessary.
Apparently, twitter is trying to herd users into using official twitter clients only, (or the web site), but as of now, I can't say whether this is true or not, since there seems to be more knee jerk reactions to the announcement than actual facts.  I suspect truthful information will slowly filter it's way into the general populous over the next few months, then we'll know for sure what the deal is, but for now, just keep using the client of your choice, and wait until it breaks ... (if it breaks) ... before spreading possibly untrue information about the change.


Re: Problems with NVDA and latest Windows 10 1803

Steve Nutt
 

Hi Jackie,

Steve, may I ask if you're running NVDA as portable? Truthfully, I personally cannot replicate any of the problems you're having w/my Windows 10, latest build,. Can you tell us:

Firstly, I am not running as portable on the machines tested.

1) How are your views set?

Details, This PC by default, no Preview Payne, no Navigation Payne.

2) What details do you have enabled?

All of them I think.

3) Is your File Explorer maximized?

Yes. I even tried Windows+Up Arrow to make sure it was.

I do know that portable NVDA just does not read lists as well as when it's actually installed. I don't know if this is because it's better able to hook into various machine processes or what, but that is something my experience has definitively shown me.

Well I haven't found portable to be any worse for me thus far, but now, Explorer is completely unusable on all my machines. When you enter a folder, it reads out the first file name, but from then on, it is silent.

All the best

Steve


Re: Problems with NVDA and latest Windows 10 1803

Jackie
 

Steve, may I ask if you're running NVDA as portable? Truthfully, I
personally cannot replicate any of the problems you're having w/my
Windows 10, latest build,. Can you tell us:
1) How are your views set?
2) What details do you have enabled?
3) Is your File Explorer maximized?

I do know that portable NVDA just does not read lists as well as when
it's actually installed. I don't know if this is because it's better
able to hook into various machine processes or what, but that is
something my experience has definitively shown me.

I really hope we can help you get this solved, because it does seem
that many of us don't share this experience, so I suspect it may be
something unique to your setup that can be rectified. Keep plugging, &
we'll hang in there w/you till we get to the bottom of it all.

On 5/21/18, Steve Nutt <steve@comproom.co.uk> wrote:
Yep, this pretty much mirrors my experience, although I can never get NVDA
to read the list now.



NVDA is pretty horrible with File Explorer under Windows 10, and it’s got
worse with this build.



All the best



Steve



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Annette Moore
Sent: 20 May 2018 20:15
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Problems with NVDA and latest Windows 10 1803



I just close file explorer and reopen it when it starts acting funky. either
that, or I shut down NVDA and restart it. Alternatively, I can sit here and
stare at the computer for a few minutes, until it decides to behave itself,
which it does eventually do. It has to be an NVDA thing, though, because it
doesn't do this with System Access at all. I have trouble alt tabbing
between windows when it wants to act up, and then I have trouble going
through list items. It's like the cursor doesn't want to move through them
but it actually does; it's just NVDA isn't reading me the items. I also find
that if I have more than, say, two or three windows open and I close one of
them, it starts working fine again. It's random, though, so I never know
when it's going to misbehave. It's not aggravating enough to make me switch
screen readers, though. I just figure it'll be fixed in a future update and
go with it.

Annette



On 5/20/2018 11:36 AM, Steve Nutt wrote:

So I wonder what is the determining factor then?



All the best


Steve



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Greg Wocher
Sent: 20 May 2018 17:14
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Problems with NVDA and latest Windows 10 1803



Hello,

I am running the latest version of NVDA on my HP laptop and I do not have
any issues using NVDA with file explorer. I am also using the 1803 Windows
update.



Greg Wocher



On May 20, 2018, at 7:00 AM, Steve Nutt <steve@comproom.co.uk
<mailto:steve@comproom.co.uk> > wrote:



I’m assuming you haven’t tried it in the File Explorer app then? That’s the
bug I was reporting.



All the best


Steve



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> <nvda@nvda.groups.io
<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> > On Behalf Of Sarah k Alawami
Sent: 18 May 2018 21:28
To: nvda list list <nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> >
Subject: Re: [nvda] Problems with NVDA and latest Windows 10 1803



I can't remember if I replied or not but lists are fine in the explorer.exe
app. I'm so far knock on wood not having any issues as far as I can see,
except for obs but that's probably a broken app.





On May 16, 2018, at 1:03 AM, Steve Nutt <steve@comproom.co.uk
<mailto:steve@comproom.co.uk> > wrote:



Hi,



I recently reported that Outlook message lists were not reading for me.



It is in fact worse than that, lists in general don’t seem to be reading.
For example, File Explorer in Windows 10 is completely silent for me now.



JAWS is reading lists quite happily.



Any thoughts?



Thanks.



All the best



Steve



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Re: Espeak UK English words

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

Another thought, now nvda is capable of getting usage data from the users, does it allow folk to see, for example that one user is using Speech player in espeak and what variant they use etc, or is it just what synth is set as default?
Brian

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From: "Quentin Christensen" <quentin@nvaccess.org>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, May 21, 2018 10:15 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Espeak UK English words


NVDA updated to eSpeak 1.49.2 in NVDA 2017.4.

eSpeak 1.49.3 is in development but not yet released. So they may have
addressed some of the issues but they haven't released them yet :)

Quentin.

On Mon, May 21, 2018 at 6:43 PM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io <
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Hi I have been told that most of the pronunciations that were wrong like
for and newsletter etc, have been fixed some time ago in the project, but
from what I can tell in the latest nvda master its still not been
transferred over.
What is the issue, is Espeak NG now in some other troubles and if so,
cannot somebody import the fixes and leave the main guts the same for us?
I have gone back to the old Espeak as in speech player in Espeak again
today as its hard to understand some words.
Brian

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Re: Twitter clients. Re: Read Feeds add-on

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Not strictly true, they are going to charge an arm and a leg for every user that third party clients has. I guess its academic as it amounts to the same thing in the end. Are twitter feeling the pinch in their profits?
Poor dears. Bout time some other platform had a look in.
Not that I care too much found the whole thing a terribly time wasting thing a couple of years ago now.
Brian

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From: "Robert Kingett" <kingettr@gmail.com>
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Sent: Monday, May 21, 2018 2:57 PM
Subject: [nvda] Twitter clients. Re: Read Feeds add-on


I use feeds all the time because everything comes straight to me, rather than me having to browse. Best part is, I can combine sources into one huge RSS feed. As for the twitter clients, Twitter will be shutting down third party support in August.


Re: Espeak UK English words

Steve Nutt
 

You can fix it yourself though surely? Just replace Newsletter with News Letter in the NVDA dictionary.

All the best

Steve

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Hmm, hence my question. Its a pity these sort of fixes cannot be imported away from the other parts of the programme . For sounding like fur Newsletter sounding like newslitter and several others were fixed some months back for the test versions.
Brian

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From: "Quentin Christensen" <quentin@nvaccess.org>
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Sent: Monday, May 21, 2018 10:15 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Espeak UK English words


NVDA updated to eSpeak 1.49.2 in NVDA 2017.4.

eSpeak 1.49.3 is in development but not yet released. So they may have
addressed some of the issues but they haven't released them yet :)

Quentin.

On Mon, May 21, 2018 at 6:43 PM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io <
bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io> wrote:

Hi I have been told that most of the pronunciations that were wrong like
for and newsletter etc, have been fixed some time ago in the project, but
from what I can tell in the latest nvda master its still not been
transferred over.
What is the issue, is Espeak NG now in some other troubles and if so,
cannot somebody import the fixes and leave the main guts the same for us?
I have gone back to the old Espeak as in speech player in Espeak again
today as its hard to understand some words.
Brian

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Re: Espeak UK English words

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Hmm, hence my question. Its a pity these sort of fixes cannot be imported away from the other parts of the programme . For sounding like fur Newsletter sounding like newslitter and several others were fixed some months back for the test versions.
Brian

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From: "Quentin Christensen" <quentin@nvaccess.org>
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Sent: Monday, May 21, 2018 10:15 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Espeak UK English words


NVDA updated to eSpeak 1.49.2 in NVDA 2017.4.

eSpeak 1.49.3 is in development but not yet released. So they may have
addressed some of the issues but they haven't released them yet :)

Quentin.

On Mon, May 21, 2018 at 6:43 PM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io <
bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io> wrote:

Hi I have been told that most of the pronunciations that were wrong like
for and newsletter etc, have been fixed some time ago in the project, but
from what I can tell in the latest nvda master its still not been
transferred over.
What is the issue, is Espeak NG now in some other troubles and if so,
cannot somebody import the fixes and leave the main guts the same for us?
I have gone back to the old Espeak as in speech player in Espeak again
today as its hard to understand some words.
Brian

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Re: Problems with NVDA and latest Windows 10 1803

Steve Nutt
 

Yep, this pretty much mirrors my experience, although I can never get NVDA to read the list now.

 

NVDA is pretty horrible with File Explorer under Windows 10, and it’s got worse with this build.

 

All the best

 

Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Annette Moore
Sent: 20 May 2018 20:15
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Problems with NVDA and latest Windows 10 1803

 

I just close file explorer and reopen it when it starts acting funky. either that, or I shut down NVDA and restart it. Alternatively, I can sit here and stare at the computer for a few minutes, until it decides to behave itself, which it does eventually do. It has to be an NVDA thing, though, because it doesn't do this with System Access at all. I have trouble alt tabbing between windows when it wants to act up, and then I have trouble going through list items. It's like the cursor doesn't want to move through them but it actually does; it's just NVDA isn't reading me the items. I also find that if I have more than, say, two or three windows open and I close one of them, it starts working fine again. It's random, though, so I never know when it's going to misbehave. It's not aggravating enough to make me switch screen readers, though. I just figure it'll be fixed in a future update and go with it.

Annette

 

On 5/20/2018 11:36 AM, Steve Nutt wrote:

So I wonder what is the determining factor then?

 

All the best


Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Greg Wocher
Sent: 20 May 2018 17:14
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Problems with NVDA and latest Windows 10 1803

 

Hello,

I am running the latest version of NVDA on my HP laptop and I do not have any issues using NVDA with file explorer. I am also using the 1803 Windows update. 

 

Greg Wocher

 

On May 20, 2018, at 7:00 AM, Steve Nutt <steve@...> wrote:

 

I’m assuming you haven’t tried it in the File Explorer app then?  That’s the bug I was reporting.

 

All the best


Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sarah k Alawami
Sent: 18 May 2018 21:28
To: nvda list list <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Problems with NVDA and latest Windows 10 1803

 

I can't remember if I replied or not but lists are fine in the explorer.exe app. I'm so far knock on wood not having any issues as far as I can see, except for obs but that's probably a broken app.



On May 16, 2018, at 1:03 AM, Steve Nutt <steve@...> wrote:

 

Hi,

 

I recently reported that Outlook message lists were not reading for me.

 

It is in fact worse than that, lists in general don’t seem to be reading.  For example, File Explorer in Windows 10 is completely silent for me now.

 

JAWS is reading lists quite happily.

 

Any thoughts?

 

Thanks.

 

All the best

 

Steve

 

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Re: Problems with NVDA and latest Windows 10 1803

Steve Nutt
 

Yes, that’s the one.

 

Works for me with JAWS, but not NVDA.

 

All the best

 

Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sarah k Alawami
Sent: 20 May 2018 19:56
To: nvda list list <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Problems with NVDA and latest Windows 10 1803

 

Is this the explorer.exe that ships with windows? That's the one I use, and it still works.



On May 20, 2018, at 4:00 AM, Steve Nutt <steve@...> wrote:

 

I’m assuming you haven’t tried it in the File Explorer app then?  That’s the bug I was reporting.

 

All the best


Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sarah k Alawami
Sent: 18 May 2018 21:28
To: nvda list list <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Problems with NVDA and latest Windows 10 1803

 

I can't remember if I replied or not but lists are fine in the explorer.exe app. I'm so far knock on wood not having any issues as far as I can see, except for obs but that's probably a broken app.




On May 16, 2018, at 1:03 AM, Steve Nutt <steve@...> wrote:

 

Hi,

 

I recently reported that Outlook message lists were not reading for me.

 

It is in fact worse than that, lists in general don’t seem to be reading.  For example, File Explorer in Windows 10 is completely silent for me now.

 

JAWS is reading lists quite happily.

 

Any thoughts?

 

Thanks.

 

All the best

 

Steve

 

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Re: new technology challenge

Ervin, Glenn
 

I would turn off Courtona for one thing.
It is always listening and sending what you say to Microsoft.
Glenn

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Marisane Moruthanyana
Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2018 10:49 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] new technology challenge

Evening nvda list subscribers

I am Marisane from SA.

I've just bought a win10 machine.

I've had it for a month now.

It's been giving me problems I've not experienced in my life of using
windows operating system machines.

This win10 machine consumes more data than I can understand.

I am contracted to one of SA's network operators (Vodacom).

I receive 4 gb (2 gb per day and 2 gb per night).

The minute I connect my mobile wifi modem, much data is consumed.

What is win10 doing different from what was done by win7?

What extra apps are installed/updated?
Can I delay the update or will this disadvantage my machine? In other
words, will my delaying the update lead my machine to being attacked
by viruses?

How many times should this data-consuming update happen in a month?

What setting do I have to turn off to save data?

Your assistance in this regard is appreciated in advance.
Marisane

On 5/20/18, Jackie <abletec@gmail.com> wrote:
Pleasure, Mack. Glad it helped.

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Re: Using NVDA with a Twitter Account

Travis Siegel <tsiegel@...>
 

Wrong.

twitter is not charging for api usage, as a whole, it's only charging for certain aspects of the api, which will (at most) limit functionality of third party twitter clients, not make them unusable.  According to the site I read, it's mostly related to realtime interactions, and refresh times of tweets, that's all. Your twitter clients aren't going to magically stop working, they just won't update instantly anymore.  Personally, I don't find this to be a problem in the least, but that's just me.

On 5/21/2018 4:29 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
Whatever you do with third party twitter apps is going to change very soon as Twitter are removing access to the API and charging huge megabucks for the new one. Methinks they want to make sure all their adverts are seen. Cannot think why! grin.
I don't do it myself, but I know several people who think twitter will be useless in August.
Brian

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Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2018 12:51 PM
Subject: [nvda] Using NVDA with a Twitter Account


What is the easiest way to "follow" and "unfollow" sources with NVDA. The official Twitter web site merely advises to "hover over the person with your mouse", offering no keyboard option. I am using TW Blue and find no keyboard method of "following" or "unfollowing" a source. Even the applications key fails to offer such an option.

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Twitter clients. Re: Read Feeds add-on

 

I use feeds all the time because everything comes straight to me, rather than me having to browse. Best part is, I can combine sources into one huge RSS feed. As for the twitter clients, Twitter will be shutting down third party support in August.


Re: Using NVDA with a Twitter Account

Clare Page <clare.page@...>
 

Hi!
Judging from what I have heard recently, third party client developers having to pay exorbitant fees to use the new Twitter API is only part of the story.
I gather that third party Twitter clients should still work after 16 August, but, as the new Twitter API replaces the streaming API we've had for some years now, not having the new API in third party clients means that they will no longer be able to stream tweets: in npractice, this simply means that users will have to wait longer for tweets to come in, which was the case when I joined Twitter in 2009 anyway, so it's not a big deal-breaker for me.
As for Twitter with NVDA, to get back to the subject of this list, I do not know, as a Windows 7 user, whether the Windows 10 Twitter UWP app works well with NVDA, but NVDA users should still be able to use the currently accessible third party Twitter clients after 16 August, but without streaming of tweets, if I understand right. So there may not be a monopoly on Twitter after all.
I hope this reassures anyone on this list who uses third party accessible Twitter clients at least a bit!
Bye for now!
From Clare

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
Sent: lundi 21 mai 2018 10:34
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Using NVDA with a Twitter Account

It affects all third party apps wherever they run.
its the old API which is deprecated.
The new one to do the same sort of thing has to be paid for by the app
makers and twitter have made the cost so high, I suspect only themselves
will be able to use it and hence make sure you get the promoted adverts by
default. its what I always said about the one game in town syndrome. You get
your monopoly then you cut everyone else out and coin in the dosh.
Cynical? me?
:-)

Brian

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From: "David Mehler" <dave.mehler@gmail.com>
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Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2018 5:10 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Using NVDA with a Twitter Account


Hello,

Does this effect android apps as well? So, August it sounds like your
saying it's the win10 app or nothing on that platform or the web site?

Thanks.
Dave.


On 5/20/18, Lino Morales <linomorales001@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi. Just wanted to let you all know if you didn’t know already as of the
middle of August we will no longer have access to the 3rd party apps that
work with Twitter such as TW Blue etc. So if you are on WIN 10 use the
newly
improved Twitter UWP app which is accessible. They are changing their API
for 3rd party access so if you want to complain to Twitter do so in the
appropriate places.

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Marcia Yale
Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2018 9:56 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Using NVDA with a Twitter Account

I use Chicken Nugget on my Windows machine and it works great with NVDA.
Usually the follow/unfollow commands are on the user details or profile
screen, so find that screen in TW Blue and you should be able to find the
buttons for following.

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Rich
De
Steno
Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2018 7:51 AM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Using NVDA with a Twitter Account

What is the easiest way to "follow" and "unfollow" sources with NVDA. The
official Twitter web site merely advises to "hover over the person with
your
mouse", offering no keyboard option. I am using TW Blue and find no
keyboard method of "following" or "unfollowing" a source. Even the
applications key fails to offer such an option.

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Re: Espeak UK English words

Quentin Christensen
 

NVDA updated to eSpeak 1.49.2 in NVDA 2017.4.

eSpeak 1.49.3 is in development but not yet released.  So they may have addressed some of the issues but they haven't released them yet :)

Quentin.

On Mon, May 21, 2018 at 6:43 PM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io <bglists@...> wrote:
Hi I have been told that  most of the pronunciations that were wrong like for and newsletter etc, have been fixed some time ago in the project, but from what I can tell in the latest nvda master its still not been transferred over.
What is the issue, is Espeak NG now in some other troubles and if so, cannot somebody import the fixes and leave the main guts the same for us?
I have gone back to the old Espeak  as in speech player in Espeak again today as  its hard to understand some words.
Brian

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