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Re: Strange behavior of NVDA and Windows 10 at machine startup

Chris
 

In your original post you didn’t mention which version of nvda you are running

Although this shouldn’t matter but if you update to nvda v18.1 but if you are running 18.1 then try reinstalling nvda and make sure it completes the install then see what happens at login

 

It may or may not fix the issue

 

Good luck

 

 

From: Kenny
Sent: 18 May 2018 13:59
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Strange behavior of NVDA and Windows 10 at machine startup

 

Yes, that's exactly the panel. I just want to go directly to the field for entering my pin after startup. I find myself pressing [Escape], [Tab] etc. multiple times just to get rid of that screen and locate the entry field for inputting my pin.

 

Really is a pain in the butt!

 

On 5/18/2018 7:47 AM, Chris via Groups.Io wrote:

Do you mean the ease of access settings panel of the windows settings app is opening at login?

 

 

From: Kenny
Sent: 18 May 2018 10:30
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Strange behavior of NVDA and Windows 10 at machine startup

 

I've experienced it too. It's like Windows is presenting me with all of the built-in accessibility options for me to select from, before logging into Windows. Nice for those who don't know about them. Not so great for those of us who do.

 

The problem is that I've already chose NVDA as the accessibility option to be use at startup, and having to navigate out of this screen to reach the screen for inputting my pin is a pain.


I just want a way to disable this lock screen verbiage all together. Let me boot up into Windows, input my pin and get started. Stop presenting me with a bunch of stuff I don't care about. Give me a choice in the matter would you Microsoft?


On 5/17/2018 10:33 AM, Kostadin Kolev wrote:

Hello all,

Chris, it is not so. Firstly, I don't hear Narrator speaking and in such a case I should, because it uses a different voice from NVDA. Secondly, I don't see the Narrator Cursor on the screen and with my settings I should, if Narrator is running. Thirdly, I checked in Control Panel -> Ease of access -> Change sign-in settings and Narrator there is not set to run neither on the lock screen, nor after I sign in.

Part of the described in my first message behavior (the one about displaying user information on the lock screen) might be considered as normal, specially if Microsoft have done some changes as to how things load after a "Fast Boot". But I don't think displaying the "Ease of access" menu without me invoking it manually could be considered a normal behavior. And some more food for thought: shouldn't the user's things and information be loaded after he signs in and not before that (?).

I could, and probably will, contact Microsoft about this, but firstly I wanted to ask if I'm the only one experiencing this. I don't think so, because I've experienced it in my virtual machine with Windows 10 Insider Preview, but I've attributed it to the slowness of the virtual machine. Apparently that is not the case.

I've temporarily disabled "Fast Boot" and will test how things go.

______
Best wishes,
Kostadin Kolev

 

На 17.5.2018 г. в 15:35, Chris via Groups.Io написа:

It sounds like you have both narrator and nvda to start on the login screen, check settings in both narrator and nvda

 

As for the other stuff you can change them in settings > personalization > lock screen

 

So nothing unusual at all really 😃

 

 

 

From: Kostadin Kolev
Sent: 17 May 2018 13:06
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Strange behavior of NVDA and Windows 10 at machine startup

 

Hello all,

I've noticed this strange behavior after the update of Windows 10 to version 1803. The behavior is the following. When the machine starts and Windows 10 loads, it gets to the lock screen as it should. Initially it all looks normal, but only for a while. Moments after that, the lock screen displays not only the time and date as it normally does, but user-specific information as well (e.g. weather forecast, upcoming alarms, etc.). Not only that, but the NVDA startup sound is heard, as if the desktop copy of NVDA is loaded, even though it should load only when the specific user signs in. I can't tell for sure if the desktop copy of NVDA loads, because my NVDA settings for the desktop and secure screen copies of it are the same. On top of that, the "Ease of access" menu appears and NVDA starts reading its menu items one by one. This happens when I power up the machine with "Fast Boot" enabled. I haven't tried with "Fast Boot" disabled, but when I restart the machine, the behavior described above does not occur. So, it must be related to "Fast Boot" somehow. And this did not occur before the update to version 1803 of Windows 10.

Has anyone else experienced the behavior described above? Have you found any solutions besides turning off "Fast Boot"? Turning off "Fast Boot" is also a solution, but I'd prefer to keep it on if possible.

______
Best wishes,
Kostadin Kolev

 

 

 

 

 

 


Re: gethub

Quentin Christensen
 

Hi Chris,

I think you mean "Github".  The source code for NVDA is kept on GitHub, as well as our issue repository.  So, if you want to file a bug, that's the best place.

If you are looking for issues, you'll find them here: https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues - there is a search edit where you can type keywords about your problem.  If you can't find an existing issue, then there is a "New Issue" button (note, you can browse issues without an account, but you'll need a free account to create issues).  

If you want to contribute code or download the source code, you can do that from GitHub as well, and if you want to go down that track (fantastic, it would be great to have you on board!) you'll want to browse through the developer guide: https://www.nvaccess.org/files/nvda/documentation/developerGuide.html and probably join the developer mailing list as well: https://sourceforge.net/p/nvda/lists/nvda-devel/

Kind regards

Quentin.

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Hi:

Where can I find documentation on NVDA and Gethub?

Thank you.

Chris


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gethub

Christopher Gray
 

Hi:

Where can I find documentation on NVDA and Gethub?

Thank you.

Chris


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Re: Strange behavior of NVDA and Windows 10 at machine startup

Gene
 

However else you might get rid of the problem, you should be able to reduce it to almost insignificance by using sleep or hibernate or whatever the Windows 10 equivalents are for these settings.  There hasn't been, since the introduction of Windows XP, any reason to shut down and reboot more than every few days or once a week or even longer, depending on how you use your computer.  You need to shut down sometimes because just using hibernate or sleep does the same thing as leaving the computer running without rebooting for an extended time does.  It results in instability.  But I only reboot when about a week goes by or if instability develops before that.  The way I use my computers it usually doesn't. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Kenny
Sent: Friday, May 18, 2018 7:59 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Strange behavior of NVDA and Windows 10 at machine startup

Yes, that's exactly the panel. I just want to go directly to the field for entering my pin after startup. I find myself pressing [Escape], [Tab] etc. multiple times just to get rid of that screen and locate the entry field for inputting my pin.


Really is a pain in the butt!


On 5/18/2018 7:47 AM, Chris via Groups.Io wrote:

Do you mean the ease of access settings panel of the windows settings app is opening at login?

 

 

From: Kenny
Sent: 18 May 2018 10:30
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Strange behavior of NVDA and Windows 10 at machine startup

 

I've experienced it too. It's like Windows is presenting me with all of the built-in accessibility options for me to select from, before logging into Windows. Nice for those who don't know about them. Not so great for those of us who do.

 

The problem is that I've already chose NVDA as the accessibility option to be use at startup, and having to navigate out of this screen to reach the screen for inputting my pin is a pain.


I just want a way to disable this lock screen verbiage all together. Let me boot up into Windows, input my pin and get started. Stop presenting me with a bunch of stuff I don't care about. Give me a choice in the matter would you Microsoft?


On 5/17/2018 10:33 AM, Kostadin Kolev wrote:

Hello all,

Chris, it is not so. Firstly, I don't hear Narrator speaking and in such a case I should, because it uses a different voice from NVDA. Secondly, I don't see the Narrator Cursor on the screen and with my settings I should, if Narrator is running. Thirdly, I checked in Control Panel -> Ease of access -> Change sign-in settings and Narrator there is not set to run neither on the lock screen, nor after I sign in.

Part of the described in my first message behavior (the one about displaying user information on the lock screen) might be considered as normal, specially if Microsoft have done some changes as to how things load after a "Fast Boot". But I don't think displaying the "Ease of access" menu without me invoking it manually could be considered a normal behavior. And some more food for thought: shouldn't the user's things and information be loaded after he signs in and not before that (?).

I could, and probably will, contact Microsoft about this, but firstly I wanted to ask if I'm the only one experiencing this. I don't think so, because I've experienced it in my virtual machine with Windows 10 Insider Preview, but I've attributed it to the slowness of the virtual machine. Apparently that is not the case.

I've temporarily disabled "Fast Boot" and will test how things go.

______
Best wishes,
Kostadin Kolev

 

На 17.5.2018 г. в 15:35, Chris via Groups.Io написа:

It sounds like you have both narrator and nvda to start on the login screen, check settings in both narrator and nvda

 

As for the other stuff you can change them in settings > personalization > lock screen

 

So nothing unusual at all really 😃

 

 

 

From: Kostadin Kolev
Sent: 17 May 2018 13:06
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Strange behavior of NVDA and Windows 10 at machine startup

 

Hello all,

I've noticed this strange behavior after the update of Windows 10 to version 1803. The behavior is the following. When the machine starts and Windows 10 loads, it gets to the lock screen as it should. Initially it all looks normal, but only for a while. Moments after that, the lock screen displays not only the time and date as it normally does, but user-specific information as well (e.g. weather forecast, upcoming alarms, etc.). Not only that, but the NVDA startup sound is heard, as if the desktop copy of NVDA is loaded, even though it should load only when the specific user signs in. I can't tell for sure if the desktop copy of NVDA loads, because my NVDA settings for the desktop and secure screen copies of it are the same. On top of that, the "Ease of access" menu appears and NVDA starts reading its menu items one by one. This happens when I power up the machine with "Fast Boot" enabled. I haven't tried with "Fast Boot" disabled, but when I restart the machine, the behavior described above does not occur. So, it must be related to "Fast Boot" somehow. And this did not occur before the update to version 1803 of Windows 10.

Has anyone else experienced the behavior described above? Have you found any solutions besides turning off "Fast Boot"? Turning off "Fast Boot" is also a solution, but I'd prefer to keep it on if possible.

______
Best wishes,
Kostadin Kolev

 

 

 

 



Re: Strange behavior of NVDA and Windows 10 at machine startup

Kenny <kwashingtonbox@...>
 

Yes, that's exactly the panel. I just want to go directly to the field for entering my pin after startup. I find myself pressing [Escape], [Tab] etc. multiple times just to get rid of that screen and locate the entry field for inputting my pin.


Really is a pain in the butt!


On 5/18/2018 7:47 AM, Chris via Groups.Io wrote:

Do you mean the ease of access settings panel of the windows settings app is opening at login?

 

 

From: Kenny
Sent: 18 May 2018 10:30
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Strange behavior of NVDA and Windows 10 at machine startup

 

I've experienced it too. It's like Windows is presenting me with all of the built-in accessibility options for me to select from, before logging into Windows. Nice for those who don't know about them. Not so great for those of us who do.

 

The problem is that I've already chose NVDA as the accessibility option to be use at startup, and having to navigate out of this screen to reach the screen for inputting my pin is a pain.


I just want a way to disable this lock screen verbiage all together. Let me boot up into Windows, input my pin and get started. Stop presenting me with a bunch of stuff I don't care about. Give me a choice in the matter would you Microsoft?


On 5/17/2018 10:33 AM, Kostadin Kolev wrote:

Hello all,

Chris, it is not so. Firstly, I don't hear Narrator speaking and in such a case I should, because it uses a different voice from NVDA. Secondly, I don't see the Narrator Cursor on the screen and with my settings I should, if Narrator is running. Thirdly, I checked in Control Panel -> Ease of access -> Change sign-in settings and Narrator there is not set to run neither on the lock screen, nor after I sign in.

Part of the described in my first message behavior (the one about displaying user information on the lock screen) might be considered as normal, specially if Microsoft have done some changes as to how things load after a "Fast Boot". But I don't think displaying the "Ease of access" menu without me invoking it manually could be considered a normal behavior. And some more food for thought: shouldn't the user's things and information be loaded after he signs in and not before that (?).

I could, and probably will, contact Microsoft about this, but firstly I wanted to ask if I'm the only one experiencing this. I don't think so, because I've experienced it in my virtual machine with Windows 10 Insider Preview, but I've attributed it to the slowness of the virtual machine. Apparently that is not the case.

I've temporarily disabled "Fast Boot" and will test how things go.

______
Best wishes,
Kostadin Kolev

 

На 17.5.2018 г. в 15:35, Chris via Groups.Io написа:

It sounds like you have both narrator and nvda to start on the login screen, check settings in both narrator and nvda

 

As for the other stuff you can change them in settings > personalization > lock screen

 

So nothing unusual at all really 😃

 

 

 

From: Kostadin Kolev
Sent: 17 May 2018 13:06
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Strange behavior of NVDA and Windows 10 at machine startup

 

Hello all,

I've noticed this strange behavior after the update of Windows 10 to version 1803. The behavior is the following. When the machine starts and Windows 10 loads, it gets to the lock screen as it should. Initially it all looks normal, but only for a while. Moments after that, the lock screen displays not only the time and date as it normally does, but user-specific information as well (e.g. weather forecast, upcoming alarms, etc.). Not only that, but the NVDA startup sound is heard, as if the desktop copy of NVDA is loaded, even though it should load only when the specific user signs in. I can't tell for sure if the desktop copy of NVDA loads, because my NVDA settings for the desktop and secure screen copies of it are the same. On top of that, the "Ease of access" menu appears and NVDA starts reading its menu items one by one. This happens when I power up the machine with "Fast Boot" enabled. I haven't tried with "Fast Boot" disabled, but when I restart the machine, the behavior described above does not occur. So, it must be related to "Fast Boot" somehow. And this did not occur before the update to version 1803 of Windows 10.

Has anyone else experienced the behavior described above? Have you found any solutions besides turning off "Fast Boot"? Turning off "Fast Boot" is also a solution, but I'd prefer to keep it on if possible.

______
Best wishes,
Kostadin Kolev

 

 

 

 



Re: Strange behavior of NVDA and Windows 10 at machine startup

Chris
 

Do you mean the ease of access settings panel of the windows settings app is opening at login?

 

 

From: Kenny
Sent: 18 May 2018 10:30
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Strange behavior of NVDA and Windows 10 at machine startup

 

I've experienced it too. It's like Windows is presenting me with all of the built-in accessibility options for me to select from, before logging into Windows. Nice for those who don't know about them. Not so great for those of us who do.

 

The problem is that I've already chose NVDA as the accessibility option to be use at startup, and having to navigate out of this screen to reach the screen for inputting my pin is a pain.


I just want a way to disable this lock screen verbiage all together. Let me boot up into Windows, input my pin and get started. Stop presenting me with a bunch of stuff I don't care about. Give me a choice in the matter would you Microsoft?


On 5/17/2018 10:33 AM, Kostadin Kolev wrote:

Hello all,

Chris, it is not so. Firstly, I don't hear Narrator speaking and in such a case I should, because it uses a different voice from NVDA. Secondly, I don't see the Narrator Cursor on the screen and with my settings I should, if Narrator is running. Thirdly, I checked in Control Panel -> Ease of access -> Change sign-in settings and Narrator there is not set to run neither on the lock screen, nor after I sign in.

Part of the described in my first message behavior (the one about displaying user information on the lock screen) might be considered as normal, specially if Microsoft have done some changes as to how things load after a "Fast Boot". But I don't think displaying the "Ease of access" menu without me invoking it manually could be considered a normal behavior. And some more food for thought: shouldn't the user's things and information be loaded after he signs in and not before that (?).

I could, and probably will, contact Microsoft about this, but firstly I wanted to ask if I'm the only one experiencing this. I don't think so, because I've experienced it in my virtual machine with Windows 10 Insider Preview, but I've attributed it to the slowness of the virtual machine. Apparently that is not the case.

I've temporarily disabled "Fast Boot" and will test how things go.

______
Best wishes,
Kostadin Kolev

 

На 17.5.2018 г. в 15:35, Chris via Groups.Io написа:

It sounds like you have both narrator and nvda to start on the login screen, check settings in both narrator and nvda

 

As for the other stuff you can change them in settings > personalization > lock screen

 

So nothing unusual at all really 😃

 

 

 

From: Kostadin Kolev
Sent: 17 May 2018 13:06
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Strange behavior of NVDA and Windows 10 at machine startup

 

Hello all,

I've noticed this strange behavior after the update of Windows 10 to version 1803. The behavior is the following. When the machine starts and Windows 10 loads, it gets to the lock screen as it should. Initially it all looks normal, but only for a while. Moments after that, the lock screen displays not only the time and date as it normally does, but user-specific information as well (e.g. weather forecast, upcoming alarms, etc.). Not only that, but the NVDA startup sound is heard, as if the desktop copy of NVDA is loaded, even though it should load only when the specific user signs in. I can't tell for sure if the desktop copy of NVDA loads, because my NVDA settings for the desktop and secure screen copies of it are the same. On top of that, the "Ease of access" menu appears and NVDA starts reading its menu items one by one. This happens when I power up the machine with "Fast Boot" enabled. I haven't tried with "Fast Boot" disabled, but when I restart the machine, the behavior described above does not occur. So, it must be related to "Fast Boot" somehow. And this did not occur before the update to version 1803 of Windows 10.

Has anyone else experienced the behavior described above? Have you found any solutions besides turning off "Fast Boot"? Turning off "Fast Boot" is also a solution, but I'd prefer to keep it on if possible.

______
Best wishes,
Kostadin Kolev

 

 

 

 


Re: Coying the last thing NVDA said to the system clipboard?

Rui Fontes
 

Hello!

7 - You can use an addon Virtual Review, that allows you to easily to select all text and copy it...

Rui


Às 00:23 de 18/05/2018, Quentin Christensen escreveu:

To clarify,
There isn't a built-in way to repeat the last utterance.  There are several ways that might achieve what you want here, however:
1) If the error is a standard windowsdialogbox, you may be able to copy it by simply pressing CONTROL+C.
2) If the error is in adialogbox, you can read the entiredialogby pressing NVDA+b.
3) To give you the speak last utterance functionality, there is a Speech History add-on: https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/speech_history.en.html
4) If you open NVDA's speech viewer BEFORE the error message is read, you can navigate to the speech viewer window and read or copy the text. Press NVDA+N, then T, then S to turn on the speech viewer.
5) You could use the NVDA log with logging set to input / output or debug, although you would likely have to wade through more other information if all you want is the spoken text.
6) You could use NVDA's review cursor / Object navigation functionality to move back through the text in the dialog, even if it is not accessible with the keyboard normally.  The exact keys to press depend on the way the error message is set out, but since you mentioned you are using laptop keyboard layout, you could try
- NVDA+UP ARROW to move to the previous line in the current object and NVDA+DOWN ARROW to move to the next line in the current object.
- NVDA+SHIFT+LEFT arrow to move to the previous object (NVDA+SHIFT+RIGHT ARROW TO MOVE TO THE NEXT OBJECT), and NVDA+SHIFT+o to report the current object.
Try moving around the current object first and if that doesn't give you the text (for instance, if the focus is on an "OK" button), then try moving back to the previous object.
That should give you enough options to go on with for now anyway!
Kind regards
Quentin.
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As a result, I need to copy it  to the system clipboard.____
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Jessica____
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Re: Strange behavior of NVDA and Windows 10 at machine startup

Chris
 

Not in windows settings

It is possible to have  it so it logs in automatically, therefore you wont see the lock screen or login page when you boot

Having said that any key press will remove the lock screen anyway

 

From: Kenny
Sent: 18 May 2018 10:23
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Strange behavior of NVDA and Windows 10 at machine startup

 

    Following up on this response. Is there any option to disable the lock screen verbiage all together? Can't find any such switch under settings -> personalization -> lock screen.

 

Meaning when Windows boots up; I want to be taken directly to the screen for inputting my pin or password.

 

Until I get familiar with this Android style Windows 10 1803 lock screen, I rather disable it totally for now.

 

On 5/17/2018 8:35 AM, Chris via Groups.Io wrote:

It sounds like you have both narrator and nvda to start on the login screen, check settings in both narrator and nvda

 

As for the other stuff you can change them in settings > personalization > lock screen

 

So nothing unusual at all really 😃

 

 

 

From: Kostadin Kolev
Sent: 17 May 2018 13:06
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Strange behavior of NVDA and Windows 10 at machine startup

 

Hello all,

I've noticed this strange behavior after the update of Windows 10 to version 1803. The behavior is the following. When the machine starts and Windows 10 loads, it gets to the lock screen as it should. Initially it all looks normal, but only for a while. Moments after that, the lock screen displays not only the time and date as it normally does, but user-specific information as well (e.g. weather forecast, upcoming alarms, etc.). Not only that, but the NVDA startup sound is heard, as if the desktop copy of NVDA is loaded, even though it should load only when the specific user signs in. I can't tell for sure if the desktop copy of NVDA loads, because my NVDA settings for the desktop and secure screen copies of it are the same. On top of that, the "Ease of access" menu appears and NVDA starts reading its menu items one by one. This happens when I power up the machine with "Fast Boot" enabled. I haven't tried with "Fast Boot" disabled, but when I restart the machine, the behavior described above does not occur. So, it must be related to "Fast Boot" somehow. And this did not occur before the update to version 1803 of Windows 10.

Has anyone else experienced the behavior described above? Have you found any solutions besides turning off "Fast Boot"? Turning off "Fast Boot" is also a solution, but I'd prefer to keep it on if possible.

______
Best wishes,
Kostadin Kolev

 

 

 


Re: Problem signing in with google backu and sync

Vlad Dragomir
 

In my experience, GDrive is more accessible compared to Dropbox, especially the web interface. I use OneDrive as well, but not that often. They all have issues from time to time, far from being perfect, we do agree on that point.


Re: Strange behavior of NVDA and Windows 10 at machine startup

Kenny <kwashingtonbox@...>
 

I've experienced it too. It's like Windows is presenting me with all of the built-in accessibility options for me to select from, before logging into Windows. Nice for those who don't know about them. Not so great for those of us who do.


The problem is that I've already chose NVDA as the accessibility option to be use at startup, and having to navigate out of this screen to reach the screen for inputting my pin is a pain.


I just want a way to disable this lock screen verbiage all together. Let me boot up into Windows, input my pin and get started. Stop presenting me with a bunch of stuff I don't care about. Give me a choice in the matter would you Microsoft?

On 5/17/2018 10:33 AM, Kostadin Kolev wrote:

Hello all,

Chris, it is not so. Firstly, I don't hear Narrator speaking and in such a case I should, because it uses a different voice from NVDA. Secondly, I don't see the Narrator Cursor on the screen and with my settings I should, if Narrator is running. Thirdly, I checked in Control Panel -> Ease of access -> Change sign-in settings and Narrator there is not set to run neither on the lock screen, nor after I sign in.

Part of the described in my first message behavior (the one about displaying user information on the lock screen) might be considered as normal, specially if Microsoft have done some changes as to how things load after a "Fast Boot". But I don't think displaying the "Ease of access" menu without me invoking it manually could be considered a normal behavior. And some more food for thought: shouldn't the user's things and information be loaded after he signs in and not before that (?).

I could, and probably will, contact Microsoft about this, but firstly I wanted to ask if I'm the only one experiencing this. I don't think so, because I've experienced it in my virtual machine with Windows 10 Insider Preview, but I've attributed it to the slowness of the virtual machine. Apparently that is not the case.

I've temporarily disabled "Fast Boot" and will test how things go.

______
Best wishes,
Kostadin Kolev


На 17.5.2018 г. в 15:35, Chris via Groups.Io написа:

It sounds like you have both narrator and nvda to start on the login screen, check settings in both narrator and nvda

 

As for the other stuff you can change them in settings > personalization > lock screen

 

So nothing unusual at all really 😃

 

 

 

From: Kostadin Kolev
Sent: 17 May 2018 13:06
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Strange behavior of NVDA and Windows 10 at machine startup

 

Hello all,

I've noticed this strange behavior after the update of Windows 10 to version 1803. The behavior is the following. When the machine starts and Windows 10 loads, it gets to the lock screen as it should. Initially it all looks normal, but only for a while. Moments after that, the lock screen displays not only the time and date as it normally does, but user-specific information as well (e.g. weather forecast, upcoming alarms, etc.). Not only that, but the NVDA startup sound is heard, as if the desktop copy of NVDA is loaded, even though it should load only when the specific user signs in. I can't tell for sure if the desktop copy of NVDA loads, because my NVDA settings for the desktop and secure screen copies of it are the same. On top of that, the "Ease of access" menu appears and NVDA starts reading its menu items one by one. This happens when I power up the machine with "Fast Boot" enabled. I haven't tried with "Fast Boot" disabled, but when I restart the machine, the behavior described above does not occur. So, it must be related to "Fast Boot" somehow. And this did not occur before the update to version 1803 of Windows 10.

Has anyone else experienced the behavior described above? Have you found any solutions besides turning off "Fast Boot"? Turning off "Fast Boot" is also a solution, but I'd prefer to keep it on if possible.

______
Best wishes,
Kostadin Kolev

 




Re: Strange behavior of NVDA and Windows 10 at machine startup

Kenny <kwashingtonbox@...>
 

    Following up on this response. Is there any option to disable the lock screen verbiage all together? Can't find any such switch under settings -> personalization -> lock screen.


Meaning when Windows boots up; I want to be taken directly to the screen for inputting my pin or password.


Until I get familiar with this Android style Windows 10 1803 lock screen, I rather disable it totally for now.


On 5/17/2018 8:35 AM, Chris via Groups.Io wrote:

It sounds like you have both narrator and nvda to start on the login screen, check settings in both narrator and nvda

 

As for the other stuff you can change them in settings > personalization > lock screen

 

So nothing unusual at all really 😃

 

 

 

From: Kostadin Kolev
Sent: 17 May 2018 13:06
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Strange behavior of NVDA and Windows 10 at machine startup

 

Hello all,

I've noticed this strange behavior after the update of Windows 10 to version 1803. The behavior is the following. When the machine starts and Windows 10 loads, it gets to the lock screen as it should. Initially it all looks normal, but only for a while. Moments after that, the lock screen displays not only the time and date as it normally does, but user-specific information as well (e.g. weather forecast, upcoming alarms, etc.). Not only that, but the NVDA startup sound is heard, as if the desktop copy of NVDA is loaded, even though it should load only when the specific user signs in. I can't tell for sure if the desktop copy of NVDA loads, because my NVDA settings for the desktop and secure screen copies of it are the same. On top of that, the "Ease of access" menu appears and NVDA starts reading its menu items one by one. This happens when I power up the machine with "Fast Boot" enabled. I haven't tried with "Fast Boot" disabled, but when I restart the machine, the behavior described above does not occur. So, it must be related to "Fast Boot" somehow. And this did not occur before the update to version 1803 of Windows 10.

Has anyone else experienced the behavior described above? Have you found any solutions besides turning off "Fast Boot"? Turning off "Fast Boot" is also a solution, but I'd prefer to keep it on if possible.

______
Best wishes,
Kostadin Kolev

 



Re: Ask about Word2010

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I don't know but the same thing is happening in word 2003 in windows 7, but not always. It seems to be getting stuck but nothing in the log shows any concerns when it happens.

Another quirk.
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Subject: [nvda] Ask about Word2010


Sometime when I use Word2010, after using editor revision and inserting some comment, NVDA will say "reviewing pain", and I'm unable to read the document, there will be the word like "inserted" or something like <> in the document. However, when I close and re-open it, everything is ok, I'm able to continue my work. What's the problem and how do I solve it? I don't want to re-open the document again and again.


Re: Coying the last thing NVDA said to the system clipboard?

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I cannot see any difference between her encoding and yours. I switched to message source and both are plain text at the start. is this another great 'feature' of windows 10 mail app?
Brian

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Subject: Re: [nvda] Coying the last thing NVDA said to the system clipboard?


To those following this thread:
As far as I can tell, I am sending mail as Unicode (UTF-8). I know I am sending mail as HTML. These are both standard ways of sending mail for a lot of people. I don't know why Jessica can't read my mail. Will others, whith whom Jessica can, we hope, communicate, try to help with this problem? If she doesn't see my messages, then, I would think, she won't see a lot of list mail.

Gene
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Hi,

Your reply was blank.



Can you please send again?



Thanks,

Jessica





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From: Jessica D
Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2018 3:18 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Coying the last thing NVDA said to the system clipboard?



Hi,

I’m still having trouble installing the 1803 update, and am getting an error message.



I’d like to google it, to figure out what it means.



As a result, I need to copy it to the system clipboard.



Does anyone know the key command to accomplish this?



Thanks,

Jessica


Re: Coying the last thing NVDA said to the system clipboard?

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It was OK here. Could it be that there is a fault with your windows?

If you download the latest master snap then run the fixer tool and see if it fixes that.
On the other issue. I'd turn on narrator and see if it can read it.
Brian

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Hi,
Your reply was blank.

Can you please send again?

Thanks,
Jessica


Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Jessica D
Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2018 3:18 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Coying the last thing NVDA said to the system clipboard?

Hi,
I’m still having trouble installing the 1803 update, and am getting an error message.

I’d like to google it, to figure out what it means.

As a result, I need to copy it to the system clipboard.

Does anyone know the key command to accomplish this?

Thanks,
Jessica


Re: Coying the last thing NVDA said to the system clipboard?

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Do you have an ssd on the machine using Intel firmware? I'm told that this particular combination does not work and indeed Microsoft are disabling the update to those with this and several other problems with driver software till there is a fixed version
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Subject: [nvda] Coying the last thing NVDA said to the system clipboard?


Hi,

I'm still having trouble installing the 1803 update, and am getting an error
message.



I'd like to google it, to figure out what it means.



As a result, I need to copy it to the system clipboard.



Does anyone know the key command to accomplish this?



Thanks,

Jessica




Re: Problem signing in with google backu and sync

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I did send them a message asking for the old software to still have access as I feel this removal of support is not based on a fundamental change in their protocol, it is based on dogma and they need to try to get folk to pay for accounts, hence the extra abilities of backing up other folders.
Brian

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Subject: Re: [nvda] Problem signing in with google backu and sync


Hi
It signed in, and take me to a web page on its own windows, not a browser.
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Subject: Re: [nvda] Problem signing in with google backu and sync


Hello,

I'm using Backup and Sync with NVDA and Windows 10 Professional 64 bit, without any problem. I only need to sign in the first time after a major update, after which it signs me in automatically each time I restart. The sign in process is flawless as well. I don't know what to say, perhaps trying multiple browsers might solve the problem?

Good luck,

Vlad.



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Re: Problem signing in with google backu and sync

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Yes and it for some reasons open help for Chrome not back up and sync.
The mind boggles.
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Subject: Re: [nvda] Problem signing in with google backu and sync


Hi
It signed in, and take me to a web page on its own windows, not a browser.
----------------
Dang Manh Cuong
The Assistive technology specialist
Sao Mai Vocational and assistive center for the blind
52/22 Huynh Thien Loc St., Hoa Thanh ward, Tan Phu dist., HCM, Vietnam.
Tel: +8428 7302-4488
E-mail: vanphong@trungtamsaomai.org; congnghe@trungtamsaomai.org
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Sent: Friday, May 18, 2018 3:23 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Problem signing in with google backu and sync


Hello,

I'm using Backup and Sync with NVDA and Windows 10 Professional 64 bit, without any problem. I only need to sign in the first time after a major update, after which it signs me in automatically each time I restart. The sign in process is flawless as well. I don't know what to say, perhaps trying multiple browsers might solve the problem?

Good luck,

Vlad.



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Re: Problem signing in with google backu and sync

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In fact I've failed to update it to the new version. it complains it is not supported but when you download the stub it goes into the install and says no update available.
The whole program is a mess.
I think it would be nice to find a cloud system that just works without just using the web, for all machines from xp to 10. my feeling is that nobody has actually checked what things will work on and certainly not their accessibility.
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Subject: [nvda] Problem signing in with google backu and sync


To all listers
Does anyone know an accessible way to sign in and use google backup and sync same as we did with Google Drive?
I signed in, but the program take me to a web page with a lot of link to google services, but I didn't find any link for closing that and use google drive, when I exit that window, i also logged out
my account.
Using Windows 10 pro 64 bit, and the latest version of NVDA
Any help would be appreciated
Cuong

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Hi
It signed in, and take me to a web page on its own windows, not a browser.
----------------
Dang Manh Cuong
The Assistive technology specialist
Sao Mai Vocational and assistive center for the blind
52/22 Huynh Thien Loc St., Hoa Thanh ward, Tan Phu dist., HCM, Vietnam.
Tel: +8428 7302-4488
E-mail: vanphong@trungtamsaomai.org; congnghe@trungtamsaomai.org
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/saomaicenterfortheblind
Website: http://www.trungtamsaomai.org; http://www.saomaicenter.org Mobile / Zalo: +84 902-572-300
E-mail: dangmanhcuong@gmail.com; cuong@trungtamsaomai.org
Skype name: dangmanhcuong
facebook: http://facebook.com/dangmanhcuong
Twitter: @ManhCuongTech

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Sent: Friday, May 18, 2018 3:23 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Problem signing in with google backu and sync


Hello,

I'm using Backup and Sync with NVDA and Windows 10 Professional 64 bit, without any problem. I only need to sign in the first time after a major update, after which it signs me in automatically each time I restart. The sign in process is flawless as well. I don't know what to say, perhaps trying multiple browsers might solve the problem?

Good luck,

Vlad.


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Re: Problem signing in with google backu and sync

Vlad Dragomir
 

Hello,

I'm using Backup and Sync with NVDA and Windows 10 Professional 64 bit, without any problem. I only need to sign in the first time after a major update, after which it signs me in automatically each time I restart. The sign in process is flawless as well. I don't know what to say, perhaps trying multiple browsers might solve the problem?

Good luck,

Vlad.