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Re: [SUSPECTED SPAM] Re: [nvda] orbit reader20 back on sale

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Yes, they do. I goofed.




On 5/23/2018 2:29 PM, Ervin, Glenn wrote:

Don’t folks use Braille displays with NVDA?

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2018 4:14 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [SUSPECTED SPAM] Re: [nvda] orbit reader20 back on sale

 

Hi, Josh,

 

I think this should go on a list like the windows 10 list. It has nothing to do with NVDA.

 

Rosemarie

 

 

 

On 5/23/2018 1:50 PM, Josh Kennedy wrote:

Hi

I just got an email stating orbit reader20 braille display back on sale tomorrow may 24th. So if you want one now is the time to put in your order.

 

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

 



Re: [SUSPECTED SPAM] Re: [nvda] orbit reader20 back on sale

Ervin, Glenn
 

Don’t folks use Braille displays with NVDA?

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2018 4:14 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [SUSPECTED SPAM] Re: [nvda] orbit reader20 back on sale

 

Hi, Josh,

 

I think this should go on a list like the windows 10 list. It has nothing to do with NVDA.

 

Rosemarie

 

 

 

On 5/23/2018 1:50 PM, Josh Kennedy wrote:

Hi

I just got an email stating orbit reader20 braille display back on sale tomorrow may 24th. So if you want one now is the time to put in your order.

 

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

 


Re: orbit reader20 back on sale

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

I stand corrected.




On 5/23/2018 2:25 PM, Lino Morales wrote:

From what I know yes the Orbit Reader can be used with NVDA.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2018 5:24 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] orbit reader20 back on sale

 

Hi, Gene,

 

If the Orbit reader can be used with NVDA, then I apologize.

 

Rosemarie

 

 

 

On 5/23/2018 2:21 PM, Gene wrote:

Assuming the Orbit Reader can be used with NVDA, it is relevant to NVdA and has nothing specifically to do with any version of Windows.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2018 4:14 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] orbit reader20 back on sale

 

Hi, Josh,

 

I think this should go on a list like the windows 10 list. It has nothing to do with NVDA.

 

Rosemarie

 

 

 

On 5/23/2018 1:50 PM, Josh Kennedy wrote:

Hi

I just got an email stating orbit reader20 braille display back on sale tomorrow may 24th. So if you want one now is the time to put in your order.

 

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

 

 

 



Re: orbit reader20 back on sale

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

I see. Thanks for the3 explanation.




On 5/23/2018 2:24 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:

Hi,

Yes, Orbit Reader 20 is a supported braille display.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2018 2:22 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] orbit reader20 back on sale

 

Assuming the Orbit Reader can be used with NVDA, it is relevant to NVdA and has nothing specifically to do with any version of Windows.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2018 4:14 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] orbit reader20 back on sale

 

Hi, Josh,

 

I think this should go on a list like the windows 10 list. It has nothing to do with NVDA.

 

Rosemarie

 

 

 

On 5/23/2018 1:50 PM, Josh Kennedy wrote:

Hi

I just got an email stating orbit reader20 braille display back on sale tomorrow may 24th. So if you want one now is the time to put in your order.

 

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

 



Re: orbit reader20 back on sale

Lino Morales
 

From what I know yes the Orbit Reader can be used with NVDA.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2018 5:24 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] orbit reader20 back on sale

 

Hi, Gene,

 

If the Orbit reader can be used with NVDA, then I apologize.

 

Rosemarie

 

 

 

On 5/23/2018 2:21 PM, Gene wrote:

Assuming the Orbit Reader can be used with NVDA, it is relevant to NVdA and has nothing specifically to do with any version of Windows.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2018 4:14 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] orbit reader20 back on sale

 

Hi, Josh,

 

I think this should go on a list like the windows 10 list. It has nothing to do with NVDA.

 

Rosemarie

 

 

 

On 5/23/2018 1:50 PM, Josh Kennedy wrote:

Hi

I just got an email stating orbit reader20 braille display back on sale tomorrow may 24th. So if you want one now is the time to put in your order.

 

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

 

 

 


Re: orbit reader20 back on sale

 

Hi,

Yes, Orbit Reader 20 is a supported braille display.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2018 2:22 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] orbit reader20 back on sale

 

Assuming the Orbit Reader can be used with NVDA, it is relevant to NVdA and has nothing specifically to do with any version of Windows.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2018 4:14 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] orbit reader20 back on sale

 

Hi, Josh,

 

I think this should go on a list like the windows 10 list. It has nothing to do with NVDA.

 

Rosemarie

 

 

 

On 5/23/2018 1:50 PM, Josh Kennedy wrote:

Hi

I just got an email stating orbit reader20 braille display back on sale tomorrow may 24th. So if you want one now is the time to put in your order.

 

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

 


Re: orbit reader20 back on sale

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Hi, Gene,


If the Orbit reader can be used with NVDA, then I apologize.


Rosemarie




On 5/23/2018 2:21 PM, Gene wrote:
Assuming the Orbit Reader can be used with NVDA, it is relevant to NVdA and has nothing specifically to do with any version of Windows.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2018 4:14 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] orbit reader20 back on sale

Hi, Josh,


I think this should go on a list like the windows 10 list. It has nothing to do with NVDA.


Rosemarie




On 5/23/2018 1:50 PM, Josh Kennedy wrote:

Hi

I just got an email stating orbit reader20 braille display back on sale tomorrow may 24th. So if you want one now is the time to put in your order.

 

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 




Re: orbit reader20 back on sale

Gene
 

Assuming the Orbit Reader can be used with NVDA, it is relevant to NVdA and has nothing specifically to do with any version of Windows.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2018 4:14 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] orbit reader20 back on sale

Hi, Josh,


I think this should go on a list like the windows 10 list. It has nothing to do with NVDA.


Rosemarie




On 5/23/2018 1:50 PM, Josh Kennedy wrote:

Hi

I just got an email stating orbit reader20 braille display back on sale tomorrow may 24th. So if you want one now is the time to put in your order.

 

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 



Re: User Account Control Dialog Not Speaking

 

Hi,
I need to know a few things from Kelly:
1. What is UAC level set to?
2. Which Windows 10 release are you running at the moment?

Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ervin, Glenn
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2018 2:17 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] User Account Control Dialog Not Speaking

I always turn UAC off on my computers.
That is done in control panel.
Glenn

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Kelly
Sapergia
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2018 12:17 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] User Account Control Dialog Not Speaking

Hi,

I don't exactly know when this started happening, but I've noticed that when
the User Account Control window comes up on one of my computers, the name of
the window is spoken, but not the dialog or it's buttons. I know I can press
Alt+Y to accept the dialog, but I'm curious as to why this behavior
Alt+would be
occurring. I've noticed this with both NVDA and JAWS, whereas on my other
system that's using NVDA exclusively, the dialog works fine. (I'm using
Windows 10 Pro on the system where the dialog isn't reading properly.) Does
anyone have any suggestions as to how to solve the issue?

Thanks.

Yours Sincerely,
Kelly John Sapergia
Show Host and Production Director
The Global Voice Internet Radio
www.theglobalvoice.info

Personal Website: www.ksapergia.net
Business Site (KJS Productions): www.kjsproductions.com Follow me on Twitter
at: kjsapergia


Re: User Account Control Dialog Not Speaking

Ervin, Glenn
 

I always turn UAC off on my computers.
That is done in control panel.
Glenn

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Kelly Sapergia
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2018 12:17 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] User Account Control Dialog Not Speaking

Hi,

I don't exactly know when this started happening, but I've noticed that when
the User Account Control window comes up on one of my computers, the name of
the window is spoken, but not the dialog or it's buttons. I know I can press
Alt+Y to accept the dialog, but I'm curious as to why this behavior would be
occurring. I've noticed this with both NVDA and JAWS, whereas on my other
system that's using NVDA exclusively, the dialog works fine. (I'm using
Windows 10 Pro on the system where the dialog isn't reading properly.)
Does anyone have any suggestions as to how to solve the issue?

Thanks.

Yours Sincerely,
Kelly John Sapergia
Show Host and Production Director
The Global Voice Internet Radio
www.theglobalvoice.info

Personal Website: www.ksapergia.net
Business Site (KJS Productions): www.kjsproductions.com
Follow me on Twitter at: kjsapergia


Re: orbit reader20 back on sale

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Hi, Josh,


I think this should go on a list like the windows 10 list. It has nothing to do with NVDA.


Rosemarie




On 5/23/2018 1:50 PM, Josh Kennedy wrote:

Hi

I just got an email stating orbit reader20 braille display back on sale tomorrow may 24th. So if you want one now is the time to put in your order.

 

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 



Re: About Linux

Ervin, Glenn
 

I tried it and it did not come with Orca when I tried it, and I tried to install it and that went bad, so I gave up on it.
That was a year or two ago.
Glenn

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of zahra
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2018 10:24 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] About Linux

did someone tried zorinOS?
i read that it is designed for windows and mac migrate to linux and it has orca.
i wish that if someone used it and has experience in this regard,
please email me.

On 5/23/18, Tyler Wood <tcwood12@gmail.com> wrote:
I tried Ubuntu 16.04. When I realized I wasn't a fan of the gui layout I
switched to Debian and mostly used the terminal for server related
things. It was a lot nicer when I could ssh in. I just wasn't a fan of
web browsing, for example. This was a pretty decent machine and yet
firefox wasn't the quickest thing in the world especially on larger
sites with orca.


On 23-May-2018 9:57 AM, Angelo Sonnesso wrote:

What version of Linux did you try.

I have used most of the Debian distros.

73 N2DYN Angelo

*From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Tyler
Wood
*Sent:* Wednesday, May 23, 2018 10:54 AM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] About Linux

This was 2 months ago.

I tried it with all the basic tasks for a week straight on an AMD
fx8350. It was doable, but lots of sluggishness where there didn't
need to be, lots of things not reading with screen review. I ended up
using the terminal quite often to accomplish something and, in doing
so, took longer to accomplish said basic tasks. It's fun, but only
until it hampered my productivity.

Your mileage may vary of course. What didn't work for me may work just
dandy for you.

On 23-May-2018 9:49 AM, Angelo Sonnesso wrote:

Clearly you haven’t looked it lately.

Orca is updated on a regular basis, and now works quite well.

If you don’t use it on a regular basis, you have no idea what
successes the Orca group has had.

73 N2DYN Angelo

*From:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
<nvda@nvda.groups.io> <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> *On Behalf Of
*Tyler Wood
*Sent:* Wednesday, May 23, 2018 10:43 AM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] About Linux

The gui version of linux is similar to windows 95, featuring
crashes. Nobody really works on Orca because 0.001% of the user
base is visually impaired. Things will not read, you are forced to
use the terminal, which of course does and should work 100%.

Linux is great for servers, wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy for
the average consumer's every day OS. JMT, though. Whatever works
for folks and the like.

On 23-May-2018 9:36 AM, Devin Prater wrote:

I don’t have issues with the terminal. I use Emacs for
goodness sake, and love most console programs, but
/most/ users find the terminal complicated and obscure, and I
can tell you that you will need it, especially as a visually
impaired person.

On May 23, 2018, at 8:23 AM, JM Casey
<crystallogic@ca.inter.net
<mailto:crystallogic@ca.inter.net>> wrote:

Well, unlike that other poster over there (:P), I never
had any issue with using the terminal, although my only
previous experience had been logging into a shell via
Telnet from a Dos machine in the mid 90s. However I
remember a lot of my time using the Linux box I had set up
in 2008 was also spent reading man pages.

*From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io
<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io]*On
Behalf Of*Devin Prater
*Sent:*May 23, 2018 9:00 AM
*To:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:*Re: [nvda] About Linux

You will always need the terminal for something. Something
breaks? You’ll find guides with terminal instructions. Of
course, some of it can be just copied and pasted, but most
of it most be customized for your system, your files, your
initialization scripts, and so on. I’m just trying to give
the facts as they are, not say Linux is bad because it
isn’t, but it does require that you know at least how to
use the terminal, and what files you have, where they are,
and an understanding of the structure of your file system.

On May 23, 2018, at 7:55 AM, JM Casey
<crystallogic@ca.inter.net
<mailto:crystallogic@ca.inter.net>> wrote:

Good post. That said, I don't know how much things have
changed, but when I was using a Linux box in 2008 or so, I
had a hell of a battle with orca. Always crashing. And
Gnome was the only desktop GUI environment it actually
worked in. Someday I'd like to give it another go, as I
really like Linux in theory -- just seemed to be spending
more time trying to fix things than actually accomplishing
stuff with the oS.

-----Original Message-----
From:nvda@nvda.groups.io
<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io]
On Behalf Of Antony Stone
Sent: May 23, 2018 4:58 AM
To:nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] About Linux

You do not have to use the command line on Linux unless
you want to.

There are many distributions which provide a graphical
environment from the default installation, and although
you can open a command shell to type things if you want
to, you can do this in MS Windows too - it doesn't mean
that you have to.

There are Linux distributions with accessible installers
providing speech output, and there is a screenreader
(Orca) for working with both Braille and speech for
graphical applications.

You cannot install NVDA or other MS Windows applications
under Linux, but you can't install them under Mac OSX
either.  That doesn't mean a Mac is worse than Windows -
it just means they're different from each other.

It doesn't mean you can't install Firefox - you just have
to install the Linux or OSX version instead of the Windows
version.  It does mean you cannot use NVDA, but you can
use another screenreader instead (Orca for Linux,
Voiceover for Mac OSX).

Linux is different.  Mac OSX is different.  Some people
prefer them; it's a personal choice.

Please don't mislead people by suggesting that they are
worse just because you can't install the same applications
as you can on Windows.  You might just as well say that
Windows is worse than Linux because it doesn't support all
the Linux applications that are available.


Antony.

On Wednesday 23 May 2018 at 10:44:01, zahra wrote:

hello.
i wished to use linux,
but if it was exactly the same with windows!
i realy hate terminal,
i even cant use cmd on windows and prefer wizard and gui
interface
that i can have my selection, rather than memorizing
hundreds of
codes!
if i could install nvda and other softwares which i use on
windows, in
linux, and i could do installation of softwares and other
usual tasks
without terminal and command line, certainly i said
goodbye to windows
and migrate to linux.
but unfortunately,
i believe that linux is not user friendly and becomes not,
at least
for many years!

On 5/23/18, Brandon Cross <bcross3286@gmail.com
<mailto:bcross3286@gmail.com>> wrote:

I'm sorry, but if that's the impression you have, you are
much mistaken.
This is not only advisable, it can be dangerous. Stop and
think
about it for a second. Why would they make an operating
system where
you had to type one command before any other command you
type?
Doesn't make sense, does it? Also, remember that you are
authenticating each time you do this, even though it may
be set up
so that you don't need to use your password each and every
time,
which ever command you use with sudo gets elevated to root
status. A
little reading will tell you all you need to know. I don't
like it
when people spread information that could harm other people's
machines or harm them in some way, accidentally is one
thing, but if
you just say oh its ok, you're being intentionally
ignorant. Then,
what happens if someone inexperienced comes along and sees
this and
tries it, maybe nothing, maybe they type sudo rm -rf *
from the root directory, then bye bye machine.


--
I want to build a machine that will be proud of me.

- Danny Hillis, creator of The Connection Machine

                                                  Please
reply to the list;

                                                        please
*don't* CC me.




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By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali


Re: About Linux

Clive May
 

At last!  A view of Vinux which actually corresponds to my experience.



On 23/05/18 15:49, Angelo Sonnesso wrote:

Clearly you haven’t looked it lately.

Orca is updated on a regular basis, and now works quite well.

If you don’t use it on a regular basis, you have no idea what successes the Orca group has had.

 

73 N2DYN Angelo

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tyler Wood
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2018 10:43 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] About Linux

 

The gui version of linux is similar to windows 95, featuring crashes. Nobody really works on Orca because 0.001% of the user base is visually impaired. Things will not read, you are forced to use the terminal, which of course does and should work 100%.

 

Linux is great for servers, wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy for the average consumer's every day OS. JMT, though. Whatever works for folks and the like.

 

 

On 23-May-2018 9:36 AM, Devin Prater wrote:

I don’t have issues with the terminal. I use Emacs for goodness sake, and love most console programs, but most users find the terminal complicated and obscure, and I can tell you that you will need it, especially as a visually impaired person.



On May 23, 2018, at 8:23 AM, JM Casey <crystallogic@...> wrote:

 

Well, unlike that other poster over there (:P), I never had any issue with using the terminal, although my only previous experience had been logging into a shell via Telnet from a Dos machine in the mid 90s. However I remember a lot of my time using the Linux box I had set up in 2008 was also spent reading man pages.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Devin Prater
Sent: May 23, 2018 9:00 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] About Linux

 

You will always need the terminal for something. Something breaks? You’ll find guides with terminal instructions. Of course, some of it can be just copied and pasted, but most of it most be customized for your system, your files, your initialization scripts, and so on. I’m just trying to give the facts as they are, not say Linux is bad because it isn’t, but it does require that you know at least how to use the terminal, and what files you have, where they are, and an understanding of the structure of your file system.

 

On May 23, 2018, at 7:55 AM, JM Casey <crystallogic@...> wrote:

 

Good post. That said, I don't know how much things have changed, but when I was using a Linux box in 2008 or so, I had a hell of a battle with orca. Always crashing. And Gnome was the only desktop GUI environment it actually worked in. Someday I'd like to give it another go, as I really like Linux in theory -- just seemed to be spending more time trying to fix things than actually accomplishing stuff with the oS. 

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Antony Stone
Sent: May 23, 2018 4:58 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] About Linux

You do not have to use the command line on Linux unless you want to.

There are many distributions which provide a graphical environment from the default installation, and although you can open a command shell to type things if you want to, you can do this in MS Windows too - it doesn't mean that you have to.

There are Linux distributions with accessible installers providing speech output, and there is a screenreader (Orca) for working with both Braille and speech for graphical applications.

You cannot install NVDA or other MS Windows applications under Linux, but you can't install them under Mac OSX either.  That doesn't mean a Mac is worse than Windows - it just means they're different from each other.

It doesn't mean you can't install Firefox - you just have to install the Linux or OSX version instead of the Windows version.  It does mean you cannot use NVDA, but you can use another screenreader instead (Orca for Linux, Voiceover for Mac OSX).

Linux is different.  Mac OSX is different.  Some people prefer them; it's a personal choice.

Please don't mislead people by suggesting that they are worse just because you can't install the same applications as you can on Windows.  You might just as well say that Windows is worse than Linux because it doesn't support all the Linux applications that are available.


Antony.

On Wednesday 23 May 2018 at 10:44:01, zahra wrote:

hello.
i wished to use linux,
but if it was exactly the same with windows!
i realy hate terminal,
i even cant use cmd on windows and prefer wizard and gui interface 
that i can have my selection, rather than memorizing hundreds of 
codes!
if i could install nvda and other softwares which i use on windows, in 
linux, and i could do installation of softwares and other usual tasks 
without terminal and command line, certainly i said goodbye to windows 
and migrate to linux.
but unfortunately,
i believe that linux is not user friendly and becomes not, at least 
for many years!

On 5/23/18, Brandon Cross <bcross3286@...> wrote:

I'm sorry, but if that's the impression you have, you are much mistaken.
This is not only advisable, it can be dangerous. Stop and think 
about it for a second. Why would they make an operating system where 
you had to type one command before any other command you type? 
Doesn't make sense, does it? Also, remember that you are 
authenticating each time you do this, even though it may be set up 
so that you don't need to use your password each and every time, 
which ever command you use with sudo gets elevated to root status. A 
little reading will tell you all you need to know. I don't like it 
when people spread information that could harm other people's 
machines or harm them in some way, accidentally is one thing, but if 
you just say oh its ok, you're being intentionally ignorant. Then, 
what happens if someone inexperienced comes along and sees this and 
tries it, maybe nothing, maybe they type sudo rm -rf * from the root directory, then bye bye machine.


--
I want to build a machine that will be proud of me.

- Danny Hillis, creator of The Connection Machine

                                                  Please reply to the list;
                                                        please *don't* CC me.




 

 

 



Re: About Linux

Clive May
 

A long time Vinux 5.1 user and 4.x before that.  I cannot recall the last time I used the Terminal in anger.


 




On 23/05/18 15:40, Brandon Cross wrote:
it is inevitable, though there is a lot you can do with the GUI as others have rightly said.


orbit reader20 back on sale

Josh Kennedy
 

Hi

I just got an email stating orbit reader20 braille display back on sale tomorrow may 24th. So if you want one now is the time to put in your order.

 

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


Re: [SUSPECTED SPAM] Re: [nvda] About Linux

 

My dad's business workstation has a local password.

A few of my friends have ms or local passwords.

For me a home user its always faster to not bother with an extra home desktop password.

Ofcause this means I can't use things like remote desktop or some network sharing options but with security being so stupid these days and with a lot of firewalls and security software especially with systems, its easier to either use a flash drive for x or directly download x on the systems effected.

Even using cloud services can be a problem.

As sometimes I need to allow a program in cloud storage through to the account which is being used to install it even though the installer will shortly there after be deleted.

On 5/24/2018 2:16 AM, Ervin, Glenn wrote:
My Linux computers go nowhere outside the home, and I have an up-to-date firewall in my up-to-date router, so I think unless one is in coffee shops with it, you can remove all such things.
I turn off the password at log-in too.
Glenn


From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brandon Cross
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2018 12:33 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [SUSPECTED SPAM] Re: [nvda] About Linux

I'm sorry, but if that's the impression you have, you are much mistaken. This is not only advisable, it can be dangerous. Stop and think about it for a second. Why would they make an operating system where you had to type one command before any other command you type? Doesn't make sense, does it? Also, remember that you are authenticating each time you do this, even though it may be set up so that you don't need to use your password each and every time, which ever command you use with sudo gets elevated to root status. A little reading will tell you all you need to know. I don't like it when people spread information that could harm other people's machines or harm them in some way, accidentally is one thing, but if you just say oh its ok, you're being intentionally ignorant. Then, what happens if someone inexperienced comes along and sees this and tries it, maybe nothing, maybe they type sudo rm -rf * from the root directory, then bye bye machine.


Re: firefox issue

Bonnie :-)
 

I don't save passwords in Firefox but I do use a password manager. I don't know how user friendly it is for those with no vision, thus NVDA. (I am low vision). What I use is www.LastPass.com
 
Bonnie
 
 

----- Original Message -----
From: Abbie Taylor <abbietaylor945@...>
Reply-To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: 5/23/2018 9:59:04 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] firefox issue

That's it, and whenever I press Alt plus R, the message pops up again. I've given up on having Firefox remember passwords and will just have to rely on my old brain.


On 5/22/2018 9:09 PM, Richard Wells wrote:

I believe it is ALT+R.


On 5/22/2018 8:23 PM, Abbie Taylor wrote:

There is a short-cut key to have Firefox remember a password, but I've forgotten what it is at the moment because I now just escape out of those dialog boxes. Thanks.

Abbie Johnson Taylor, Author http://abbiescorner.wordpress.com
http://www.abbiejohnsontaylor.com
abbietaylor945@...
Order my new memoir at http://www.abbiejohnsontaylor.com/memoir.htm

On May 22, 2018 6:59 PM, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
I'll tell you how you may try to do this which may help you in this and in other similar situations where messages come up.  also, there may be a short cut command to move to the message, but I don't know it.
 
It doesn't remember it because you aren't telling it to in the menu or activating the button.  When you hear the message, move to the address bar with control l.  the message is probably somewhere around it.  Try tabbing a few times and see if you find something relevant.  If you don't, return to the address bar again with control l and shift tab a few times to see if you find anything relevant. 
 
However, before you do any of that at all, I'm not sure having browsers remember passwords is a good idea.  Others with more technical knowledge will, I hope, comment, but I've seen one or more computer advisors recommend against it as a security risk.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Abbie Taylor
Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2018 7:36 PM
To: The Wolf
Cc: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] firefox issue

I think it's Firefox. Nowadays, whenever I try to have it remember a particular password, the dialog asking me if I want Firefox to do this keeps coming up, and I keep pressing the button to save the password, and it comes up again. This happens for a while, and then when I just escape out of that dialog, I lose speech altogether and have to re-start Firefox before it will work properly. By the way, it never does remember the password.

Abbie Johnson Taylor, Author http://abbiescorner.wordpress.com
http://www.abbiejohnsontaylor.com
abbietaylor945@...
Order my new memoir at http://www.abbiejohnsontaylor.com/memoir.htm

On May 22, 2018 2:24 PM, The Wolf <hank.smith966@...> wrote:
>
> Hello
> can any one tell me if firefox freezes when you go to add a bookmark?
> when ever I  try to do that I loose speech for about 5 seconds
> am trying to find out if it is me or if it is firefox
> thanks
> Hank
> --
> check out my song on youtube
> https://youtu.be/YeWgx2LRu7Y
>
>
>

>






Re: About Linux

James AUSTIN
 

Hi Zahara

How are you?

Anthony is right, what you want  to do is possible. Feel free to write me off-list if I can be of assistance.

Best wishes
James 

On 23 May 2018, at 13:32, zahra <nasrinkhaksar3@...> wrote:

i did not say linux is worse.
i told that i want the graphical user interface with all of my
applications on windows.
for linux,
even its not possible to find one installer file without need to
compiling the sourcecodes,
or using repository or online installer or command line or terminal!
i studied hundreds of links in english and achieved this result.
even i can download for example my favorite version of firefox,
i should compile it to a deb file to install it easily like windows!
i wish that someone make a linux according to my desire!
and i did not find any options except for windows because of these limitations!
i am not a computer engineer or code familiar to use current linux versions!
if in the future, someone makes a linux exactly in the same way that i
need and desire,
please, send email and inform me about this great revolution!

On 5/23/18, Antony Stone <antony.stone@...> wrote:
You do not have to use the command line on Linux unless you want to.

There are many distributions which provide a graphical environment from the

default installation, and although you can open a command shell to type
things
if you want to, you can do this in MS Windows too - it doesn't mean that you

have to.

There are Linux distributions with accessible installers providing speech
output, and there is a screenreader (Orca) for working with both Braille and

speech for graphical applications.

You cannot install NVDA or other MS Windows applications under Linux, but
you
can't install them under Mac OSX either.  That doesn't mean a Mac is worse
than Windows - it just means they're different from each other.

It doesn't mean you can't install Firefox - you just have to install the
Linux
or OSX version instead of the Windows version.  It does mean you cannot use

NVDA, but you can use another screenreader instead (Orca for Linux,
Voiceover
for Mac OSX).

Linux is different.  Mac OSX is different.  Some people prefer them; it's a

personal choice.

Please don't mislead people by suggesting that they are worse just because
you
can't install the same applications as you can on Windows.  You might just
as
well say that Windows is worse than Linux because it doesn't support all the

Linux applications that are available.


Antony.

On Wednesday 23 May 2018 at 10:44:01, zahra wrote:

hello.
i wished to use linux,
but if it was exactly the same with windows!
i realy hate terminal,
i even cant use cmd on windows and prefer wizard and gui interface
that i can have my selection, rather than memorizing hundreds of
codes!
if i could install nvda and other softwares which i use on windows, in
linux, and i could do installation of softwares and other usual tasks
without terminal and command line,
certainly i said goodbye to windows and migrate to linux.
but unfortunately,
i believe that linux is not user friendly and becomes not, at least
for many years!

On 5/23/18, Brandon Cross <bcross3286@...> wrote:
I'm sorry, but if that's the impression you have, you are much
mistaken.
This is not only advisable, it can be dangerous. Stop and think about
it
for a second. Why would they make an operating system where you had to
type one command before any other command you type? Doesn't make sense,
does it? Also, remember that you are authenticating each time you do
this, even though it may be set up so that you don't need to use your
password each and every time, which ever command you use with sudo gets
elevated to root status. A little reading will tell you all you need to
know. I don't like it when people spread information that could harm
other people's machines or harm them in some way, accidentally is one
thing, but if you just say oh its ok, you're being intentionally
ignorant. Then, what happens if someone inexperienced comes along and
sees this and tries it, maybe nothing, maybe they type sudo rm -rf *
from the root directory, then bye bye machine.

--
I want to build a machine that will be proud of me.

- Danny Hillis, creator of The Connection Machine

                                                  Please reply to the
list;
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me.






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with all they contain
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I would not do it.
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Re: Strange behaviour of NVDA on Wikipedia

Morne van der Merwe
 

Well, I will try it with Crome. I get the same behaviour with Internet explorer.

 

Regards

Morne

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Monday, 21 May 2018 11:42 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Strange behaviour of NVDA on Wikipedia

 

Then it may well be that there is no relation.  I don't know if the list reading problem in file explorer might be a UIA problem or not but I believe UIA is used when reading lists of files and folders.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Monday, May 21, 2018 2:51 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Strange behaviour of NVDA on Wikipedia

 

Just tried with waterfox and Firefox.  No problems to report.  Cheers!

 

On 5/22/2018 3:41 AM, Travis Siegel wrote:

I only use chrome, so no idea if it happens on firefox or not.

 

On 5/21/2018 3:31 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:

Hi,

And is this across all browsers tested?

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Travis Siegel
Sent: Monday, May 21, 2018 12:28 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Strange behaviour of NVDA on Wikipedia

 

It's not just on wikipedia, it happens on other web pages too.  I thought it was just an artifact of the way the page was laid out, I didn't think it was an NVDA problem, but it certainly could be.  No idea what would caus it though.

 

On 5/21/2018 2:49 PM, Morne van der Merwe wrote:

Hello list,

 

Please bare with me. I am going to explain my problem as best as I can.

 

I’m running the latest version of NVDA as well as Windows 10.

 

When I’m reading about a country on Wikipedia, NVDA read the information and, when reading the next part of information, NVDA adds the previous information as well. And before reading the next information, it repeats the previous information.  I’m going to give an example.

 

Currently I have “Germany” open in Wikkippedia.  NVDA reads “Federal republic of Germany, Bundesrepublik Deutschland.” 

 

Then I arrow down to the next piece of informationwhich is the information about the capital and largest city.  I hear the following information:  “Capital and largest city. Federal Republic of Deutschland, Bundesrepublik Deutschland Berlin.” So, I get to the next piece of information, but I hear the previous piece of information again.

 

Well, I really hope I explained my problem sufficient enough to get some help.

 

Thanks in advance.

 

Kind regards

Morné

 

 

Virus-free. www.avast.com

 

 


Re: About Linux

Devin Prater
 

Likely, the “design” is just themes and such, no actual accessibility differences. Themes are ho people “get Windows desktop to look like the Mac Doc” and such. It changes nothing except visuals.

On May 23, 2018, at 10:23 AM, zahra <nasrinkhaksar3@gmail.com> wrote:

did someone tried zorinOS?
i read that it is designed for windows and mac migrate to linux and it has orca.
i wish that if someone used it and has experience in this regard,
please email me.

On 5/23/18, Tyler Wood <tcwood12@gmail.com> wrote:
I tried Ubuntu 16.04. When I realized I wasn't a fan of the gui layout I
switched to Debian and mostly used the terminal for server related
things. It was a lot nicer when I could ssh in. I just wasn't a fan of
web browsing, for example. This was a pretty decent machine and yet
firefox wasn't the quickest thing in the world especially on larger
sites with orca.


On 23-May-2018 9:57 AM, Angelo Sonnesso wrote:

What version of Linux did you try.

I have used most of the Debian distros.

73 N2DYN Angelo

*From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Tyler
Wood
*Sent:* Wednesday, May 23, 2018 10:54 AM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] About Linux

This was 2 months ago.

I tried it with all the basic tasks for a week straight on an AMD
fx8350. It was doable, but lots of sluggishness where there didn't
need to be, lots of things not reading with screen review. I ended up
using the terminal quite often to accomplish something and, in doing
so, took longer to accomplish said basic tasks. It's fun, but only
until it hampered my productivity.

Your mileage may vary of course. What didn't work for me may work just
dandy for you.

On 23-May-2018 9:49 AM, Angelo Sonnesso wrote:

Clearly you haven’t looked it lately.

Orca is updated on a regular basis, and now works quite well.

If you don’t use it on a regular basis, you have no idea what
successes the Orca group has had.

73 N2DYN Angelo

*From:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
<nvda@nvda.groups.io> <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> *On Behalf Of
*Tyler Wood
*Sent:* Wednesday, May 23, 2018 10:43 AM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] About Linux

The gui version of linux is similar to windows 95, featuring
crashes. Nobody really works on Orca because 0.001% of the user
base is visually impaired. Things will not read, you are forced to
use the terminal, which of course does and should work 100%.

Linux is great for servers, wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy for
the average consumer's every day OS. JMT, though. Whatever works
for folks and the like.

On 23-May-2018 9:36 AM, Devin Prater wrote:

I don’t have issues with the terminal. I use Emacs for
goodness sake, and love most console programs, but
/most/ users find the terminal complicated and obscure, and I
can tell you that you will need it, especially as a visually
impaired person.

On May 23, 2018, at 8:23 AM, JM Casey
<crystallogic@ca.inter.net
<mailto:crystallogic@ca.inter.net>> wrote:

Well, unlike that other poster over there (:P), I never
had any issue with using the terminal, although my only
previous experience had been logging into a shell via
Telnet from a Dos machine in the mid 90s. However I
remember a lot of my time using the Linux box I had set up
in 2008 was also spent reading man pages.

*From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io
<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io]*On
Behalf Of*Devin Prater
*Sent:*May 23, 2018 9:00 AM
*To:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:*Re: [nvda] About Linux

You will always need the terminal for something. Something
breaks? You’ll find guides with terminal instructions. Of
course, some of it can be just copied and pasted, but most
of it most be customized for your system, your files, your
initialization scripts, and so on. I’m just trying to give
the facts as they are, not say Linux is bad because it
isn’t, but it does require that you know at least how to
use the terminal, and what files you have, where they are,
and an understanding of the structure of your file system.

On May 23, 2018, at 7:55 AM, JM Casey
<crystallogic@ca.inter.net
<mailto:crystallogic@ca.inter.net>> wrote:

Good post. That said, I don't know how much things have
changed, but when I was using a Linux box in 2008 or so, I
had a hell of a battle with orca. Always crashing. And
Gnome was the only desktop GUI environment it actually
worked in. Someday I'd like to give it another go, as I
really like Linux in theory -- just seemed to be spending
more time trying to fix things than actually accomplishing
stuff with the oS.

-----Original Message-----
From:nvda@nvda.groups.io
<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io]
On Behalf Of Antony Stone
Sent: May 23, 2018 4:58 AM
To:nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] About Linux

You do not have to use the command line on Linux unless
you want to.

There are many distributions which provide a graphical
environment from the default installation, and although
you can open a command shell to type things if you want
to, you can do this in MS Windows too - it doesn't mean
that you have to.

There are Linux distributions with accessible installers
providing speech output, and there is a screenreader
(Orca) for working with both Braille and speech for
graphical applications.

You cannot install NVDA or other MS Windows applications
under Linux, but you can't install them under Mac OSX
either. That doesn't mean a Mac is worse than Windows -
it just means they're different from each other.

It doesn't mean you can't install Firefox - you just have
to install the Linux or OSX version instead of the Windows
version. It does mean you cannot use NVDA, but you can
use another screenreader instead (Orca for Linux,
Voiceover for Mac OSX).

Linux is different. Mac OSX is different. Some people
prefer them; it's a personal choice.

Please don't mislead people by suggesting that they are
worse just because you can't install the same applications
as you can on Windows. You might just as well say that
Windows is worse than Linux because it doesn't support all
the Linux applications that are available.


Antony.

On Wednesday 23 May 2018 at 10:44:01, zahra wrote:

hello.
i wished to use linux,
but if it was exactly the same with windows!
i realy hate terminal,
i even cant use cmd on windows and prefer wizard and gui
interface
that i can have my selection, rather than memorizing
hundreds of
codes!
if i could install nvda and other softwares which i use on
windows, in
linux, and i could do installation of softwares and other
usual tasks
without terminal and command line, certainly i said
goodbye to windows
and migrate to linux.
but unfortunately,
i believe that linux is not user friendly and becomes not,
at least
for many years!

On 5/23/18, Brandon Cross <bcross3286@gmail.com
<mailto:bcross3286@gmail.com>> wrote:

I'm sorry, but if that's the impression you have, you are
much mistaken.
This is not only advisable, it can be dangerous. Stop and
think
about it for a second. Why would they make an operating
system where
you had to type one command before any other command you
type?
Doesn't make sense, does it? Also, remember that you are
authenticating each time you do this, even though it may
be set up
so that you don't need to use your password each and every
time,
which ever command you use with sudo gets elevated to root
status. A
little reading will tell you all you need to know. I don't
like it
when people spread information that could harm other people's
machines or harm them in some way, accidentally is one
thing, but if
you just say oh its ok, you're being intentionally
ignorant. Then,
what happens if someone inexperienced comes along and sees
this and
tries it, maybe nothing, maybe they type sudo rm -rf *
from the root directory, then bye bye machine.


--
I want to build a machine that will be proud of me.

- Danny Hillis, creator of The Connection Machine

Please
reply to the list;

please
*don't* CC me.




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By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali