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Windows 10, Version 2004 and NVDA seeming a bit sluggish

Dan Beaver
 
Edited

My system updated to Windows 10, Version 2004 yesterday.  since then NVDA seems a bit sluggish when moving from window to window and often when cursoring quickly through lists and the like.  Is anyone else having this symptom with the latest non-beta version of NVDA and Windows 10, Version 2004?

 

Thanks.

 

 

-- 
Dan Beaver (KA4DAN)


Re: NVDA 2020.2 Beta 1

Mário Navarro
 




 hi quentin, I do not use add-ons.

the edge version, is: 83.0.478.54
thanks
cheers.

Às 04:28 de 22/06/2020, Quentin Christensen escreveu:

Before I forget, which error with Edge particularly?

Ok looking at your log, there are a few errors with various add-ons.  I think not all are compatible with NVDA 2020.2 (or even Python 3?) That is why it is working when you restart with add-ons disabled.  If you disable all add-ons and re-enable one at a time until you start hitting errors you will be able to narrow down which add-ons are causing problems.

Regards

Quentin.

On Fri, Jun 19, 2020 at 6:45 PM Mário Navarro <mario.gnv@...> wrote:




great work.


  Quentin, please can you tell me if the bug with MS edge was fixed?
yes, what makes NVDA  crash in html content.
I did not see anything related to this in the fixes of the new beta 1 release ...
thanks.
cheers.

Às 23:12 de 17/06/2020, Quentin Christensen escreveu:
Hi everyone,

NVDA 2020.2 Beta 1 is now available for testing.

For those interested in trying out what the next version of NVDA has before it is officially released.

Visit https://www.nvaccess.org/post/nvda-2020-2beta1/ to download the beta and provide feedback.

Regards

Quentin.

--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

--
A acção pode nem sempre ser felicidade, mas não há felicidade sem acção...


--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

--
A acção pode nem sempre ser felicidade, mas não há felicidade sem acção...


Re: Possible to Push Files on a PC using Remote Access?

Kenny <kwashingtonbox@...>
 

Thanks Luke for sharing this link.


Looks like TeamViewer would be a viable option for me to push files from one PC to another during a Direct Remote session.


Just hoping it allows the seemless use of a screenreader to be controlled through the remote session. One of the reasons why I wish the NVDA Remote Access add-on provided this functionality.


Guess I'll find out in a few minutes when I begin to use it.

On 6/22/2020 2:41 AM, Luke Davis wrote:
This was discussed extensively earlier this month on this list. Archive link here:

https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda/topic/sends_the_contents_of_the/74709910?p=,,,20,0,0,0::recentpostdate/sticky,,,20,2,40,74709910


windows ten and nvda 2017 versions:

 

hello.
if someone have 2017.2 or 2017.3 version of nvda with windows ten,
especially version 1903, please email me off list.

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with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
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Re: Possible to Push Files on a PC using Remote Access?

Luke Davis
 


nvda unresponsiveness

Marisane Moruthanyana
 

Good day gentle people

I trust you are still well and safe from corona.

I am trying.

My experience is that nvda is unresponsive to outlook.com interface.

Does anyone of you have the same experience?

I cannot find the buttons to log out even when I activated the my
account submenu where these buttons are found when using jaws.

What is wrong with nvda?

Please assist.

Furthermore, is there any tutorial on nvda with outlook.com?

Your assistance is appreciated in advance.

Regards
Moruthanyana Wally: SA


Re: NVDA Freezing/Crashing with Office 365 - Word and Outlook

Quentin Christensen
 

Could you get me a copy of your NVDA log to have a look at please, ideally at debug level?
Please send it attached to an email to info@....  Include a description of what you have done and what isn't working as it should (so I know what it's about in case I don't get to investigate today).

First of all, your NVDA key is either INSERT or CAPS LOCK, depending on how you have NVDA setup.  So, to set your log level:
1) Press NVDA+control+g to open the general settings
2) Press TAB until the focus is on ""Log level""
3) Press DOWN ARROW to get to ""Debug""
4) Press ENTER to close settings
5) Press NVDA+control+c to save settings.

To restart NVDA with add-ons disabled:
1) Press NVDA+Q
2) Down arrow to ""Restart with add-ons disabled""
3) Press ENTER

Next, recreate the issue - do whatever causes problems.

To get NVDA's log after that, there are several ways:

If NVDA is still running and usable:
1) Press NVDA+F1 to open the log viewer
2) Press CONTROL+A to select all.
3) Press CONTROL+C to copy.
4) Open your email and start a message to info@..., type a little about what you have done and what has happened in the body of the message, then leave a space and:
5) Press CONTROL+V to paste the copied log.

Instead of using the log viewer, or if NVDA has stopped and you needed to restart it or the computer:
1) Press WINDOWS+R to open Windows' Run dialog
2) Type %temp% and press ENTER (that's the percent sign, the letter t e m p and another percent sign).  Windows Explorer should open to the temporary folder.
3) Press TAB to move to the file list
4) Press N and move down to find up to three files:  nvda.log (the log file for the current or most recent NVDA session), nvda-old.og (the log from the previous session) and nvda-crash.dmp (a crash dump with more information created if NVDA itself crashes).
5) Depending on what email program you use, the steps will be different, but attach as many of those three files to an email to info@... as will be useful, and again in the body of the message describe a bit about what has happened.

Regards

Quentin.

On Sat, Jun 20, 2020 at 2:04 AM Afik Souffir <afik.souffir@...> wrote:
 
I have the same problem. 

 



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Training and Support Manager


Re: NVDA 2020.2 Beta 1

Quentin Christensen
 

Before I forget, which error with Edge particularly?

Ok looking at your log, there are a few errors with various add-ons.  I think not all are compatible with NVDA 2020.2 (or even Python 3?) That is why it is working when you restart with add-ons disabled.  If you disable all add-ons and re-enable one at a time until you start hitting errors you will be able to narrow down which add-ons are causing problems.

Regards

Quentin.

On Fri, Jun 19, 2020 at 6:45 PM Mário Navarro <mario.gnv@...> wrote:




great work.


  Quentin, please can you tell me if the bug with MS edge was fixed?
yes, what makes NVDA  crash in html content.
I did not see anything related to this in the fixes of the new beta 1 release ...
thanks.
cheers.

Às 23:12 de 17/06/2020, Quentin Christensen escreveu:
Hi everyone,

NVDA 2020.2 Beta 1 is now available for testing.

For those interested in trying out what the next version of NVDA has before it is officially released.

Visit https://www.nvaccess.org/post/nvda-2020-2beta1/ to download the beta and provide feedback.

Regards

Quentin.

--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

--
A acção pode nem sempre ser felicidade, mas não há felicidade sem acção...



--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager


Re: nvda error tone

Quentin Christensen
 

The Alpha and Beta versions of NVDA play an error sound whenever an error is written to the log.  In many cases, when NVDA hits an error, it is able to fall back and try something else which works - so the end result for the user is that whatever they expected happens as it should.  The error sound is largely there for developers to investigate their fixes and code to ensure it is not producing errors.  We turn the sound off in the RC and Stable builds.

There has been discussion previously about how best to implement this sound - whether to have a toggle to enable or disable it for instance, but no change has been made.

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Fri, Jun 19, 2020 at 11:30 PM Aschalew Byness <gakidan.ashagre235@...> wrote:
I am using nvda beta version. I hear error every few minutes. I
couldn't find out the error though.





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Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager


Re: Possible to Push Files on a PC using Remote Access?

Chris Mullins
 

Hi

It would require some work by the remote add-on developers.  This technology pushes the clipboard contents to the remote computer’s clipboard then allows you to switch to the remote computer and paste in the clipboard contents wherever you want.  When you use the clipboard to move files around it copies the file address to the clipboard then allows you to copy/move it locally.  When you use the paste command on the remote computer, you are addressing that computer.  Windows has no way of knowing you are referencing a file on a  remotely linked computer, so file addresses copied from your local machine would b meaningless.

 

Cheers

Chris

From: Kenny
Sent: 21 June 2020 21:32
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Possible to Push Files on a PC using Remote Access?

 

Yes, I did review that little snippet Chris. Just was hoping someone here has figured out a way to do this remotely using some sort of workaround. I feel the Push Clipboard option should allow this in my opinion.

 

I've temporarily setup a folder on OneDrive that is shared with the Client PC. Just was hoping there was something that allowed the copying of files from one Server to the Client when using a remote Direct PC-to-PC connection.

 

On 6/21/2020 3:41 PM, Chris Mullins wrote:

Hi

You can only push text.  If you read the help file associated with the Remote add-on, it does say specifically that you can push text from either side of the connection, there is no mention of files.

 

Cheers

Chris   

 

From: Kenny
Sent: 21 June 2020 20:34
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Possible to Push Files on a PC using Remote Access?

 

Hello,

 

 

Been tinkering a bit with the NVDA Remote Access Add-on, and really love it.

 

 

Especially love the ability to set the add-on to auto connect to a

client's PC immediately after NVDA has launched. Very very useful for

controlling my home PC when on vacation.

 

 

Do have a question regarding the Push Clipboard feature?

 

 

I'm able to successfully push text copied to my controller PC's

clipboard to the PC being controlled, but not files?

 

 

I figured when you use the [Control]+[c] keyboard shortcut to copy files

to the clipboard, I could place them on the client's PC using the same

Push Clipboard option?

 

 

Doesn't work.

 

 

Maybe I'm missing a step or something here, so I'm coming to the list

for guidance.

 

 

If the NVDA Remote Access add-on isn't able to perform such actions, is

there another remote app I can use that does allow this type of file

copying flexibility? Copying files from the server PC to the client's PC.

 

 

I'm using:

 

NVDA Version: 2020.2beta1

 

Windows Version 2004 (OS Build 19041.329)

 

 

on a high-end Dell XPS PC.

 

 

Thanks for any assistance.

 

 

-Kenny

 

 

 

 

 


Re: Possible to Push Files on a PC using Remote Access?

Richard Wells
 

The way I get files to where I want them is to put them in my favorite
Internet based file storage and push the link to the client machine. I
do it with Dropbox by choosing copy link and changing the dl=0 to dl=1
when I get the http link and the file downloads on the client machine in
the user's default browser.

On 6/21/2020 2:33 PM, Kenny wrote:
Hello,


Been tinkering a bit with the NVDA Remote Access Add-on, and really
love it.


Especially love the ability to set the add-on to auto connect to a
client's PC immediately after NVDA has launched. Very very useful for
controlling my home PC when on vacation.


Do have a question regarding the Push Clipboard feature?


I'm able to successfully push text copied to my controller PC's
clipboard to the PC being controlled, but not files?


I figured when you use the [Control]+[c] keyboard shortcut to copy
files to the clipboard, I could place them on the client's PC using
the same Push Clipboard option?


Doesn't work.


Maybe I'm missing a step or something here, so I'm coming to the list
for guidance.


If the NVDA Remote Access add-on isn't able to perform such actions,
is there another remote app I can use that does allow this type of
file copying flexibility? Copying files from the server PC to the
client's PC.


I'm using:

NVDA Version: 2020.2beta1

Windows Version 2004 (OS Build 19041.329)


on a high-end Dell XPS PC.


Thanks for any assistance.


-Kenny



Re: Question about NVDA Remote and Copying/pasting Text

Kenny <kwashingtonbox@...>
 

Yes, you can setup such a scenario to share files with any online cloud service.


Just would be simpler for me to press [f11] to switch to my local PC and copy the file I need. Then press [F11] to switch back to the client's PC and paste it in a folder, install the utility, and get to work.


I mean the Push Clipboard option is already there for text. Would it be difficult to enhance it's ability to allow the pushing of files copied to the clipboard too?

Just hoping there is someone here who has come up with a more efficient solution.

On 6/21/2020 4:12 PM, Shaun Everiss wrote:
Is the link to a file or something they need to well get for themselves or is it something that you can only do online.

For most of my remotes I don't actively upload live in a session.

Firstly its not needed and secondly why bother.

If its only files, I will download the files in question, and use dropbox or similar.

I have a shared folder linked with that email on the user's system dropbox is on or whatever.

I download the files and put it there.

If the user has something I put it in a file and put it there or they do it.

For files and some information, its easier to do this rather than actively emailing and accessing things.

If I must run a script I make it on my system, upload it, remote in or whatever run the script.

Once I am done, I go back to my system, and clear the folder, the remote will clear itself you do need to empty the junk out of things.

If its something you need yourself, go to something like www.cutt.us and make a free account.

Make a shortened link and write it down.

 then open it on the remote that way.

I am not sure about cross transfering content because I never do it.

Its faster to cloud dump it and its there when I want it.

Now if it aint simple like a hardware issue or virus or corrupted system or something where I have to physically access the system, everything from a clean install to listen for faulty things or generally accessing it without the network factors I physically access the system.

I have never done anything in reguards of anything bar administration.



On 22/06/2020 2:28 am, Steve Matzura wrote:
I have a long link that I need someone at the other end of an NVDA Remote session to use, and the computer on which it is to be used doesn't have an email client, so I can't just send it to them. Does NVDA Remote allow copying and pasting between local and remote computers? In other words, can I copy the link to my clipboard, connect to the remote computer, and through some special key combination, paste it on the other end's machine somewhere?




.


Re: Possible to Push Files on a PC using Remote Access?

Kenny <kwashingtonbox@...>
 

Yes, I did review that little snippet Chris. Just was hoping someone here has figured out a way to do this remotely using some sort of workaround. I feel the Push Clipboard option should allow this in my opinion.


I've temporarily setup a folder on OneDrive that is shared with the Client PC. Just was hoping there was something that allowed the copying of files from one Server to the Client when using a remote Direct PC-to-PC connection.


On 6/21/2020 3:41 PM, Chris Mullins wrote:

Hi

You can only push text.  If you read the help file associated with the Remote add-on, it does say specifically that you can push text from either side of the connection, there is no mention of files.

 

Cheers

Chris   

 

From: Kenny
Sent: 21 June 2020 20:34
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Possible to Push Files on a PC using Remote Access?

 

Hello,

 

 

Been tinkering a bit with the NVDA Remote Access Add-on, and really love it.

 

 

Especially love the ability to set the add-on to auto connect to a

client's PC immediately after NVDA has launched. Very very useful for

controlling my home PC when on vacation.

 

 

Do have a question regarding the Push Clipboard feature?

 

 

I'm able to successfully push text copied to my controller PC's

clipboard to the PC being controlled, but not files?

 

 

I figured when you use the [Control]+[c] keyboard shortcut to copy files

to the clipboard, I could place them on the client's PC using the same

Push Clipboard option?

 

 

Doesn't work.

 

 

Maybe I'm missing a step or something here, so I'm coming to the list

for guidance.

 

 

If the NVDA Remote Access add-on isn't able to perform such actions, is

there another remote app I can use that does allow this type of file

copying flexibility? Copying files from the server PC to the client's PC.

 

 

I'm using:

 

NVDA Version: 2020.2beta1

 

Windows Version 2004 (OS Build 19041.329)

 

 

on a high-end Dell XPS PC.

 

 

Thanks for any assistance.

 

 

-Kenny

 

 

 

 


Re: Question about NVDA Remote and Copying/pasting Text

 

Is the link to a file or something they need to well get for themselves or is it something that you can only do online.

For most of my remotes I don't actively upload live in a session.

Firstly its not needed and secondly why bother.

If its only files, I will download the files in question, and use dropbox or similar.

I have a shared folder linked with that email on the user's system dropbox is on or whatever.

I download the files and put it there.

If the user has something I put it in a file and put it there or they do it.

For files and some information, its easier to do this rather than actively emailing and accessing things.

If I must run a script I make it on my system, upload it, remote in or whatever run the script.

Once I am done, I go back to my system, and clear the folder, the remote will clear itself you do need to empty the junk out of things.

If its something you need yourself, go to something like www.cutt.us and make a free account.

Make a shortened link and write it down.

 then open it on the remote that way.

I am not sure about cross transfering content because I never do it.

Its faster to cloud dump it and its there when I want it.

Now if it aint simple like a hardware issue or virus or corrupted system or something where I have to physically access the system, everything from a clean install to listen for faulty things or generally accessing it without the network factors I physically access the system.

I have never done anything in reguards of anything bar administration.

On 22/06/2020 2:28 am, Steve Matzura wrote:
I have a long link that I need someone at the other end of an NVDA Remote session to use, and the computer on which it is to be used doesn't have an email client, so I can't just send it to them. Does NVDA Remote allow copying and pasting between local and remote computers? In other words, can I copy the link to my clipboard, connect to the remote computer, and through some special key combination, paste it on the other end's machine somewhere?



.


Re: Possible to Push Files on a PC using Remote Access?

Chris Mullins
 

Hi

You can only push text.  If you read the help file associated with the Remote add-on, it does say specifically that you can push text from either side of the connection, there is no mention of files.

 

Cheers

Chris   

 

From: Kenny
Sent: 21 June 2020 20:34
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Possible to Push Files on a PC using Remote Access?

 

Hello,

 

 

Been tinkering a bit with the NVDA Remote Access Add-on, and really love it.

 

 

Especially love the ability to set the add-on to auto connect to a

client's PC immediately after NVDA has launched. Very very useful for

controlling my home PC when on vacation.

 

 

Do have a question regarding the Push Clipboard feature?

 

 

I'm able to successfully push text copied to my controller PC's

clipboard to the PC being controlled, but not files?

 

 

I figured when you use the [Control]+[c] keyboard shortcut to copy files

to the clipboard, I could place them on the client's PC using the same

Push Clipboard option?

 

 

Doesn't work.

 

 

Maybe I'm missing a step or something here, so I'm coming to the list

for guidance.

 

 

If the NVDA Remote Access add-on isn't able to perform such actions, is

there another remote app I can use that does allow this type of file

copying flexibility? Copying files from the server PC to the client's PC.

 

 

I'm using:

 

NVDA Version: 2020.2beta1

 

Windows Version 2004 (OS Build 19041.329)

 

 

on a high-end Dell XPS PC.

 

 

Thanks for any assistance.

 

 

-Kenny

 

 

 

 


Possible to Push Files on a PC using Remote Access?

Kenny <kwashingtonbox@...>
 

Hello,


Been tinkering a bit with the NVDA Remote Access Add-on, and really love it.


Especially love the ability to set the add-on to auto connect to a client's PC immediately after NVDA has launched. Very very useful for controlling my home PC when on vacation.


Do have a question regarding the Push Clipboard feature?


I'm able to successfully push text copied to my controller PC's clipboard to the PC being controlled, but not files?


I figured when you use the [Control]+[c] keyboard shortcut to copy files to the clipboard, I could place them on the client's PC using the same Push Clipboard option?


Doesn't work.


Maybe I'm missing a step or something here, so I'm coming to the list for guidance.


If the NVDA Remote Access add-on isn't able to perform such actions, is there another remote app I can use that does allow this type of file copying flexibility? Copying files from the server PC to the client's PC.


I'm using:

NVDA Version: 2020.2beta1

Windows Version 2004 (OS Build 19041.329)


on a high-end Dell XPS PC.


Thanks for any assistance.


-Kenny


Re: Question about NVDA Remote and Copying/pasting Text

Tony Ballou
 

Hey Steve,


Good question, here's some info that comes from the NVDA remote add-on documentation.  Hope it helps.


Push clipboard
The Push clipboard option in the remote menu allows you to push text from your clipboard. when activated, any text on the clipboard will be pushed to the other machines.


Tony

On 6/21/2020 10:28 AM, Steve Matzura wrote:
I have a long link that I need someone at the other end of an NVDA Remote session to use, and the computer on which it is to be used doesn't have an email client, so I can't just send it to them. Does NVDA Remote allow copying and pasting between local and remote computers? In other words, can I copy the link to my clipboard, connect to the remote computer, and through some special key combination, paste it on the other end's machine somewhere?



Re: Question about NVDA Remote and Copying/pasting Text

 

your welcome, its my pleasure to help.

On 6/21/20, Steve Matzura <number6@...> wrote:
Thank you. Didn't know about that one.


On 6/21/2020 10:44 AM, zahra wrote:
hello.
yes, just use push clipboard in nvda tools nvda remote submenu.

On 6/21/20, Steve Matzura <number6@...> wrote:
I have a long link that I need someone at the other end of an NVDA
Remote session to use, and the computer on which it is to be used
doesn't have an email client, so I can't just send it to them. Does NVDA
Remote allow copying and pasting between local and remote computers? In
other words, can I copy the link to my clipboard, connect to the remote
computer, and through some special key combination, paste it on the
other end's machine somewhere?






--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali


Re: NVDA, Braille display, and Lenovo laptop

 

hi.
my comment is not related to your issue.
but someone recommended me a lenovo thinkpad laptop!
whats your idea?
may i know which model do you use exactly?
if yours is lenovo thinkpad l 540,
please email me off list.
thanks and God bless you!

On 6/20/20, JM Casey <jmcasey@...> wrote:
Hey folks.



I'm running a Lenovo Thinkpad laptop with Windows 10 2004, and NVDA is
updated to latest stable channel build. I've got a Focus Braille display
attached to the computer via USB (no bluetooth adaptor currently in the
computer).

The laptop is a new acquisition for me and being semi-mobile with a
braille
display and a tool to read and write on is one of the chief reasons I got
the thing. I do a fair amount of reading of documents, books, easearch
materials and so on. I usually convert everything to plain text and read in
notepad, which has worked fine on my desktop. However, the laptop does not
count reading on a braille display as "activity", it seems, and goes to
sleep after several minutes. I've adjusted the time factor, but I'm
wondering if there is any way I can convince the computer that reading on
the display counts as "activity", since I do appreciate these battery
saving
features and so on, but it's annoying when after ten or fifteen m inutes of
reading the machine just needs to be reawoken, re-signed in, etc. I know
this wouldn't happen if I had the computer perform some simple task like
playing music or something, but I feel like I shouldn't *have* to do this
or
tap on the keyboard every so often just to let it now to stay awake. Any
ideas?

Again, I'm aware that I could just increase the time alotment or even tell
it never to go to sleep, but I'm wondering if there's a way I can take
advantage of these power-saving features somewhat and still get what I
want?








--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali


Re: NVDA, Braille display, and Lenovo laptop

JM Casey
 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jason White via groups.io
Sent: June 21, 2020 11:10 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA, Braille display, and Lenovo laptop

 

You might be able to set the cursor to follow the braille display as you read, which would send cursor movement events to the application and therefore keep the system from suspending.

On 6/20/20 12:40 PM, JM Casey wrote:

Hey folks.

 

I’m running a Lenovo Thinkpad laptop with Windows 10 2004, and NVDA is updated to latest stable channel build. I’ve got a Focus Braille display  attached to the computer via USB (no bluetooth adaptor currently in the computer).

The laptop is a new acquisition for me and being semi-mobile with a  braille display and a tool to read and write on is one of the chief reasons I got the thing. I do a fair amount of reading of documents, books, easearch materials and so on. I usually convert everything to plain text and read in notepad, which has worked fine on my desktop. However, the laptop does not count reading on a braille display as “activity”, it seems, and goes to sleep after several minutes. I’ve adjusted the time factor, but I’m wondering if there is any way I can convince the computer that reading on the display counts as “activity”, since I do appreciate these battery saving features and so on, but it’s annoying when after ten or fifteen m inutes of reading the machine just needs to be reawoken, re-signed in, etc. I know this wouldn’t happen if I had the computer perform some simple task like playing music or something, but I feel like I shouldn’t *have* to do this or tap on the keyboard every so often just to let it now to stay awake. Any ideas?

Again, I’m aware that I could just increase the time alotment or even tell it never to go to sleep, but I’m wondering if there’s a way I can take advantage of these power-saving features somewhat and still get what I want?