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Re: CHM, a.k.a. Microsoft Help files
tonea.ctr.morrow@...
You are my hero of the morning! Thank you Chris! This tells me the CHM skeleton is accessible, even if cumbersom in its accessibility. Now I can go back to the software people and be more firm.
My department of the FAA develops software for different government offices. We, as a developer, have moved away from CHM. But, sometimes we get customers who want that format for their own reasons. While I might have to tell our people that they can’t use a skin to make it pretty, I can at least confirm that we can offer it as an 508-accessible format.
Sorry it took me so long to get back. I was in meetings and will be in meetings almost all of next week. But, better to say this late than not at all: Thank you!
Tonea
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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io]
On Behalf Of Chris Mullins
Hi Tonea I found a chm file on my machine and opened it. On entry, I was placed in the Contents list and used arrow keys to traverse it. When I found a topic I wanted help on I pressed f6. This moved me to the help topic details. I used arrow keys to move around the help topic window. From here I switched into screen review mode and located the following gbuttons Hide Print Options Search Contents Favorites
I could access these buttons via review cursor then use NVDA +Numpad 8 to move the mouse pointer , then activated button using numpad 8 to simulate a mouse click. I also found that alt+o opens a context menu containing the following: Hide Tabs Back Forward Home Stop Refresh Internet Options... Print...
Some of these are probably equivalent to the header items you could not access. Alt+s also opened up the search function which was also accessible.
HTH Chris
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Re: any solution
anthony borg
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Many thanks for your help. Best regards Anthony
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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tyler Spivey Sent: 18 January 2018 20:17 To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] any solution Maybe it's the color filter. Try pressing CTRL+win+c to toggle it. To make sure it's off, check under Settings, Ease of Access, Color & high contrast. On 1/18/2018 10:00 AM, anthony borg wrote: Hi folks
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Re: Blog post on Firefox 58.
You are right. Nothing is passed through from firefox. These new sounds appear to work on all browsers, not just firefox. They consist of very distinct sounds for loading pages, closing programs, dialog boxes popping up, and things like that, although, it still ads no sounds for completed downloads in firefox. Try as I might I can't find anything like that for just firefox alone.
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Re: any solution
anthony borg
Hi Stephen
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Many thanks for your help. Best regards Anthony
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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Stephen Costigan Sent: 19 January 2018 00:01 To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] any solution Hi On Dell running Windows 10, press and hold Shift, Alt and Print Screen together this will give the option to toggle between High contrast. Regards, Stephen On 18/01/2018 19:17, Tyler Spivey wrote: Maybe it's the color filter. Try pressing CTRL+win+c to toggle it.please?
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Re: NVDA issue in win10 after security patch update.
Amala <anbujustin@...>
I tried at windows 10 without the below patch(windows security patch). It is working as expected. Could anybody help resolve the issue. Thanks. Windows Malicious Software Removal Tool for Windows 8, 8.1, 10 and Windows Server 2012, 2012 R2, 2016 x64 Edition - November 2017 (KB890830)
On 18 Jan 2018 11:15, "Amala" <anbujustin@...> wrote:
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Re: Blog post on Firefox 58.
Robert Mendoza
In addition, I did tested this one time to my Windows 10 and nothing to be against in terms of the speed. However, upon downloading certain file the progress bar could not even heard in the background and not sure what exactly causing of no sounds of it.
Robert Mendoza On 1/19/2018 8:40 PM, Robert Mendoza
wrote:
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Re: Blog post on Firefox 58.
Robert Mendoza
Unfortunately, some of the addons is not usable if you are using
Firefox Quantum that somehow could not adhere as for specific
function or purpose I do hope they would able to came up
resolution to handle this problem in terms of accessibility.
Wondering they would have predict this on hand cause seemingly
impact lots of users. Not sure if anyone here reported this to the
Mozillian space so that they are aware of.
Robert Mendoza On 1/19/2018 7:16 PM, Clare Page wrote:
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Re: Blog post on Firefox 58.
Clare Page <clare.page@...>
Hi ! I have used the Windows sound scheme for which a link was posted below for a ong time now, both with Internet Explorer and with Firefox, and I can report from my own experience that this sound scheme only adds browser sounds to Firefox if the Navigational Sounds Firefox add-on is used. Therefore, as I gather that Navigational Sounds doesn’t work with Firefox Quantum, the sound scheme won’t restore sounds in Firefox 57 or later, even though you will get other sounds for the rest of Windows if you use the scheme. Sorry this doesn’t help people who prefer sounds in their web browsers, but I felt I should point out that the sound scheme mentioned below will not solve the problem of there being no sounds in the newest versions of Firefox and no possibility of installing Navigational Sounds as an add-on for those new versions. Bye for now! From Clare
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Robert Kingett
Sent: jeudi 18 janvier 2018 16:14 To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Blog post on Firefox 58.
I did some digging for you! This is why I love blind people so much. Giving opinions rather than answering your question, to the person who is looking for the sound scheme. It's not worth hearing all opinions, much less explain it to a super blindy. :, don't bother with them. They are not worth a reply. Anyway, I did some digging for you and, although, it is not browser focused, it may help. It is a sound scheme for windows that covers the whole operating system, even web browsers. The link is below.
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Welcome to NVDA 2018: Part 1 complete package now available
Dear NVDA community,
I’m delighted to announce the immediate release of part 1 of Welcome to NVDA 2018 tutorial package. At the moment the mp3 file that covers introductory matters (such as what is NVDA, features, installing and updating NVDA and so on) can be found at: http://www.josephsl.net/files/nvda18/1/nvda_tutorial_1.mp3
Eventually the file location will move, and once that happens, I’ll provide updated links. As noted earlier, I will indeed create a zip file containing all tutorial parts once all nine parts (plus some addenda) are completed in February.
Last minute changes: a segment that covers what NVDA is, basic definition of a screen reader, and a story of how NVDA began has been added.
Enjoy. Cheers, Joseph
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Re: NVDA next snapshot
Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
Yes I've not pressed the secondary error in some windows 7 search fields as from what I can tell the error makes no obvious difference to the operation, other than it being annoying of course.
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From: "Quentin Christensen" <quentin@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Friday, January 19, 2018 12:53 AM Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA next snapshot To answer the original question, yes this is common enough - one difference
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Re: Working with Libreoffice is so slow
Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
Is there a version of the suggested version for use as a portable app, as this is what I'm using it for.
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From: "V Stuart Foote" <vstuart.foote@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Friday, January 19, 2018 12:14 AM Subject: Re: [nvda] Working with Libreoffice is so slow Folks need to be on LibreOffice 5.3.7.2 of the 5.3 branch. Or 5.4.4.2 of the 5.4 branch. Earlier 5.3 releases are not fit to use, nor or earlier 5.4 releases--again either 5.3.7.2 or 5.4.4.2 (or later). LibreOffice devs have been struggling with Microsoft DirectWrite Direct2D font rendering for several release cycles and either the 5.3.7 release (end of life) or current 5.4.4 release should be used--NVDA behaves well with either but the Graphics card rendering mode will impact things. Most modern Windows systems will use OpenGL by default, and LibreOffice's DirectWrite Direct2D implementation has been a problem--more than just on screen rendering. Basically there were issues with failure to cache the fonts in use in a document causing very slow rendering as you move from cell to cell in a calc spreadsheet or page through a Writer document. The 5.3.7 build is fine without OpenGL, but if using OpenGL (likely for most) move to the 5.4.4 release, or the pending 6.0.0 release. Link below. Performance is much improved for all users, good scrolling and movement between spreadsheet cells. Stuart Link to the LibreOffice project build archive for the 5.4.4.2 build, 32-bit or 64-bit builds: http://downloadarchive.documentfoundation.org/libreoffice/old/5.4.4.2/win/
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Re: Reading messages in action center, settings, and so on.
Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
Really Microsoft need to sort this out I feel, sometimes in windows 7, I have no problems other times I have to resort to screen review, which sort of suggests that the way these messages are displayed is not always the same.
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From: "Joseph Lee" <@joslee> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2018 10:33 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] Reading messages in action center, settings, and so on. Hi John and others, I normally don’t write the following, but this time… I highly recommend listening to my tutorial set. If you listen to object navigation and popular apps sections, you’ll get the answer you need for navigating universal apps. Cheers, Joseph From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2018 2:17 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Reading messages in action center, settings, and so on. I don't know but you might have saved a lot of time by using screen review or object navigation to skim the screen. As far as messages in the actual center, I don't know about Windows 10. My recollection about Windows 7 is that you can't read messages either at all or well enough to be useful. Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: John Isige <mailto:gwynn@...> Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2018 4:03 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> Subject: [nvda] Reading messages in action center, settings, and so on. Hi all. Is there a way to read messages in things like action center and setup in Windows 10? I have Windows App Essentials, latest stable installed. Let me describe what I'm talking about, because I think that will help. Today I saw in the system tray that "actions are needed". So I opened it up. It opened up Windows Defender. Windows Defender said I needed to check for updates. But the only way I found that out was by using NVDA-b to read the entire screen, so I had to listen to a lot of extra stuff first. Is there a quicker way to find and read those kinds of messages?
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Re: Portable version degrading
Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
Yes I do this as well. However it could be of cores that the degradation is due to some outside factor which is not obvious, like a once only scan from some kind of malware detector doing something its not supposed to.
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From: "Gene" <gsasner@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2018 8:17 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] Portable version degrading I don't know. I would think the easiest way to deal with the situation would be not to make a new portable version, but to make a copy of the existing portable version when it is working properly and then delete and copy the portable version to where it was before. Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: Roger Stewart Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2018 2:10 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: [nvda] Portable version degrading I've noticed over the past couple years that my portable install of nvda will sometimes degrade or get a bit corrupted over time all by itself while the installed version is always stable as a rock. Does anyone know why this is and is there any way to prevent this from happening? I use the portable copy to test a couple add ons and if the portable version corrupts, it can make it appear that the add on is defective or has a bug while it really doesn't. Deleting the portable copy and making a new one will clear it up. I also notice a few functions of nvda either don't work at all or nvda gets very sluggish in responsiveness and this all gets back to normal after a complete flush and remake of the portable version. As I say, this never has happened at all with my installed copy on the same computer. Roger
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Re: Blog post on Firefox 58.
Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
Hmm, the Firefox esr is supported after all, but IE is not as far as I can tell.
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As for over relience, well, that depends on your experience of what is reliable and everyone probably has their own anecdote about this. Just take a look at my experiences with problems with nvda and browsers no matter what computer I'm using. its all probably due to something as yet unknown, so you find work arounds, in my case its sounds. Brian bglists@... Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal email to:- briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field.
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From: "Gene" <gsasner@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2018 5:16 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] Blog post on Firefox 58. It has nothing to do with superblind people nor with blind people at all, whom you generalize about and disparage by saying that they just offer opinions. I didn't look up such information because I thought there was unlikely to be another such add on. There are lots of blind people who use firefox who don't use sounds and they aren't, nor do they hold themselves out as super blind people. If you finally looked something up, after this discussion has gone on for a month, fine. I'm glad you found something that may be useful. You can present such information without disparaging others. You can also express an opinion such as, some blind people are too intent on convincing others to do something another way. That isn't disparaging or dismissive. As to the issue of sounds, my position is that if you use an older version of a browser which has stopped being supported just because of sounds, that is an overreliance on sounds. Sacrificing security for sounds when there are other ways to tell when a page finishes loading and of following downloads is, in my opinion, a bad idea. Things aren't ideal. In deciding whether to hear sounds or have a safer computer, I think choosing sounds is a bad choice. there is nothing superblind about it. If you disagree, fine. You can express your disagreement without being disparaging. Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert Kingett Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2018 9:13 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Blog post on Firefox 58. I did some digging for you! This is why I love blind people so much. Giving opinions rather than answering your question, to the person who is looking for the sound scheme. It's not worth hearing all opinions, much less explain it to a super blindy. :, don't bother with them. They are not worth a reply. Anyway, I did some digging for you and, although, it is not browser focused, it may help. It is a sound scheme for windows that covers the whole operating system, even web browsers. The link is below. http://onj3.andrelouis.com/programs/44.1k%20-%20soundscheme%20for%20windows.exe
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Re: echo characters and words
Gene
The easiest way to do so and to make the setting
permanent is the following:
I assume you are using the desktop
layout.
issue the command NVDA key, either insert by
default and, while holding it, press the number 2 on the main keyboard.
This toggles between off and on for characters. Characters are on by
default. Do the same but this time use the number 3 on the main
keyboard. In other words, NVDA key 3. Repeating the command toggles
between off and on. When they are both on, to make the setting permanentt,
you can use the command NVDA key c. However, NVDA is set to automatically
permanently save settings on exit so you may want to skip that step and just
have it done when you close the program or shut down the computer with NVDA
running.
Gene
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Is this possible to do in NVDA using the latest
Email is golden !!!
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Re: echo characters and words
Quentin Christensen
HI Kevin, I replied to I'm sure your previous question just this afternoon, but in case you haven't seen it yet, press NVDA+2 to toggle whether typed characters are echoed, and NVDA+3 for words. Your NVDA key is either INSERT or CAPS LOCK depending on your setup, and the numbers noted are in the number row (above the letters). Kind regards Quentin.
On Fri, Jan 19, 2018 at 3:10 PM, Kevin <kleeva5@...> wrote:
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Re: echo characters and words
Robert Mendoza
Hi, Kevin
Yes, it works even in the newer or earlier version of nvda. Robert Mendoza On 1/19/2018 12:10 PM, Kevin wrote:
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echo characters and words
Kevin <kleeva5@...>
Is this possible to do in NVDA using the latest
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Re: Quentin on leave
Rosemarie Chavarria
Hi, Quentin,
Thanks very much for the explanation. I was just wondering.
Rosemarie
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
The school year here goes for four terms, from the end of January, to Easter, then a couple weeks break then from April to the end of June, then two or three weeks break, then from July to September, then a couple weeks break then from October to December. They tend to go right up until Christmas just about. Finishing high school the last couple of years finish a bit earlier and have exams in November and then break, and at university they start in February or March and finish in October before exams.
On Tue, Jan 16, 2018 at 1:20 PM, Rosemarie Chavarria <knitqueen2007@...> wrote:
-- Quentin Christensen
Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
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Re: NVDA with excell
#addonrelease
#NVDACon
Quentin Christensen
As others have indicated, if you mean you press say the right arrow to move one cell to the right, down arrow to move once cell down, then yes, they should work exactly as with any other screen reader (or none). If the current cell is in edit mode then the arrows move around the text in that cell rather than changing cells, but again, that is standard behaviour that you would likely have encountered before. One difference could be if you are used to using the number pad, with numlock off, as the navigation keys? NVDA uses the number pad to move the review cursor. By default, this applies even if you have NVDA set to laptop keyboard layout. You can change this behaviour using the input gestures dialog in NVDA's preferences menu (or I can send you a custom gestures file). Kind regards Quentin.
On Thu, Jan 18, 2018 at 11:59 AM, Don <donmi@q.com> wrote: I am a new NVDA user. I am wanting to use NVDA with Excell. A key combination I often use is (end) arrow. This moves the focus from the current cell to the next cell with content moving in the direction of the arrow pressed. This does not work with NVDA. Is there a way to maike this a part of NVDA? --
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