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Re: Keyboard shortcuts for Libre Office writer

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Hi,

Open office has writer (for word processing), impress (like PowerPoint), draw (for pictures), kelp (like excel), formula ((for doing math equations) and database. Open office is free and open source. I don't use jaws so I don't know how well it works with it.

Hope this helps somewhat.

Rosemarie

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Casey
Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2018 10:06 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Keyboard shortcuts for Libre Office writer

hi what all comes with open office and is it all free?

Also how well does it work with Jaws 2018 as well?




On 3/27/2018 9:32 AM, zahra wrote:
hi.
thanks so much for list of shortcuts.
for users who want to download libreoffice:
www.libreoffice.org/download
God bless you all!

On 3/27/18, Kerryn Gunness via Groups.Io <k_gunness=yahoo.ca@groups.io> wrote:
very nice
where could i downlode lebrea office?

----- Original Message -----
From: Tony Ballou
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2018 10:12 AM
Subject: [nvda] Keyboard shortcuts for Libre Office writer


Hi,




Here are the keyboard shortcuts for Libre office writer.





Tony







Keyboard shortcuts for Libre office writer



Keyboard shortcut

Command



Control-a

Select All



Control-b

Bold text



Control-c

Copies highlighted Text to the clipboard

Control-x

Cuts highlighted text to the clipboard

Control-v

Pastes the highlighted text from the clipboard to the location
that you specify



keep in mind that when the text is copied, it appears in both the
original and the specified location.

When the text is cut it appears in the specified location only



Control-Shift-v

Paste Special

pastes formatting, and formatted text from the clipboard



control-alt-shift-V

Pastes unformatted text from the clipboard



control-E

Centers text



Control f

Find text



Control -g

Go To



control-H

Find and replace Text



Control-I

Italicize text



Control-J

Justify Text



Control-l

Left align text



Control-r

Right align text



Control-n

Creates a new blank Document



Control-o

Brings up the open file dialog box



Control-P

Brings up the Print Dialog box



Control-S

Saves the current open Document. If it is a new one, the save as
dialog box will open where you can give it a specific file name, save
it with a specific file format extension such as .txt, .rtf, .doc,
.docx, or in the case of programs like open and libre office, .odt;
and a specific location such as a folder on your hard drive, or external storage device.



Control u

Underlines text



Control-y

redoes your last action



control-z

undoes your last action



Control-Shift-P

inserts superscript



Control-shift-b

Inserts subscript



Control-Enter

Page break



Navigation Keyboard shortcuts



left arrow

moves one character to the left



shift-left arrow

highlights the character to the left



Right arrow

moves one character to the right

Shift-right arrow

Highlights the character to the right



up arrow

moves up one line



Shift-up arrow

Highlights text in an upward direction



Down arrow

Moves down one line



Shift-down arrow

Highlights text in a downward direction



Control -left arrow

moves one word to the left



control-right arrow

moves one word to the right



Control-shift-left arrow

Highlights the word to the left



Control-Shift-right arrow

Highlights the word to the right



Control-up arrow

moves to the beginning of the previous paragraph



Control-shift-up arrow

highlights the text to the beginning of the paragraph

Control-Down arrow

Moves to the end of the paragraph



Control-Shift-down arrow

Highlights the text to the end of the paragraph



Home

Moves to the beginning of the line

shift-home

Highlights the text from the cursor position to the beginning of
the line



End

Moves to the end of the line

Shift-end

Highlights the text from the cursor position to the end of the
line



Control-home

moves the cursor to the beginning of the document





Control-End

Moves the cursor to the end of the document



Control-shift-home

Highlights the text from the cursor position to the beginning of
the document



Control-shift-end

highlights the text from the cursor position to the end of the
document



Page up

moves the cursor up one screen

(this is approximately 24 lines)



Page down

Moves the cursor down one screen

(This is approximately 24 lines)



Shift-page up

Highlights the text up by one screen



Shift-page down

Highlights the text down by one screen



Control-Backspace

Ce



Deletes the text to the beginning of the word



Control-delete

Deletes the text to the end of the word



Control-shift-backspace

deletes the text to the beginning of the sentence



Control-shift Delete

Deletes the text to the end of a sentence
















--

Casey


Re: I take it there have been no improvements to the flawed espeak ng in 2017.4?

Reece H. Dunn
 

On Mon, Mar 26, 2018 at 02:34 pm, Bhavya shah wrote:
On that note, I would like to bring to your attention, Reece, the fact
that ESpeak-NG’s Emoji support was specifically removed from NVDA, as
far as I recollect, since it was causing major freezes/crashes with
certain characters in some languages, one of which included Hindi and
plagued me for a brief while as I was testing an RC build of NVDA. It
would be deeply appreciated if you could take a look at what happened
in this regard, because Emoji support is still something many people
are desirous of, or at least I am at least.
I have identified and fixed the issue with some Tamil characters causing eSpeak NG to freeze on Sunday. I have made other various stability fixes to the codebase as well. Hopefully, that should address the main issues with enabling emoji support.

Thanks,
Reece


Re: I take it there have been no improvements to the flawed espeak ng in 2017.4?

Sarah k Alawami
 

I actually listen at over 100 percent. I do mud, but even then I do listen at a very very fast rate wiht espeak and the 1 core and on my mac. I can even hack that to listen at about 130 percent if I wanted to.

Take care

On Mar 26, 2018, at 11:05 PM, Rosemarie Chavarria <knitqueen2007@...> wrote:

If you had a job that involved listening like a customer service rep, you'd have no choice but to get used to listening to your screen reader at a faster speed.
 
 
 
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sharni-Lee Ward
Sent: Monday, March 26, 2018 1:19 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] I take it there have been no improvements to the flawed espeak ng in 2017.4?
 

I'll admit I've not heard Eloquence outside of Jaws and the addon I was sent some years back. I didn't know the version in Jaws was different to Eloquence on its own. The one in the addon I have doesn't pause very long between sentences. Also, I just do not like to speed up my synth too much. I still think of how some of you can listen to something at the highest rate possible and understand it. I've tried increasing it a little, but it's just not enjoyable for me.

 

That said, I'm now very used to Espeak, and it may not be an improvement over Eloquence in the opinion of some, but it was definitely an improvement over Microsoft Anna, which was what I had been stuck with via Narrator until I discovered NVDA. Espeak is the voice of NVDA to me now, and other synths fall short in many ways.

 
On 26/03/2018 7:20 PM, Gene wrote:
You wrote:
I don't like Eloquence because it isn't as crisp as Espeak. I have compared 
it to A.M radio in the past, and Espeak to FM/CD Quality sound.
 
That is a very inaccurate comparison.  E-Speak has more high end in the s sounds and the voice may have a little more high end but hardly comparable to FM radio or CD quality sound.  and why is the difference of perhaps two thousand or three thousand KHZ, by my estimate, from, let's say, around 7000KHZ in Eloquence to about nine hundred or one thousand KHZ in E-Speak of any real importance?  I would imagine you talk on the phone without worrying about such things.  
 
Eloquence has much better understandability of speech at higher speeds, and pronounces a lot more words correctly.  
 
Also, I don't know if you are talking about Eloquence as modified by the producers of JAWS or Eloquence, as it is unmodified.  The JAWS designers customized it.  If you are saying it isn't crisp because you are thinking of JAWS Eloquence, that's not an accurate representation of what unmodified Eloquence sounds like. Also, the JAWS modifiers took out pauses at periods.  That seriously degrades reading, that the modified version doesn't pause at periods. 
 
You may be pleasantly surprised if you try the demo of the HTML version.  If you haven't heard unmodified Eloquence, you don't know what it really sounds like.  
 
Gene
 



Re: I take it there have been no improvements to the flawed espeak ng in 2017.4?

 

For me I grew up with synthetic voices.

The fact is, real sapi voices of high grade are good for well reading things but maybe not speech.

Ofcause the reason I have used high quality engines is because of well the lack of them in windows mainly, ms seems to have ok ish voices and while I was thinking about buying the high quality code factory voices, with all the issues with speech resetting at startup each time, I am thinking of getting and using the english accented voices for ms that ms has installed and forgetting others.

I have old scansoft 32 bit realspeaks if I want to use it but the ms voices could be almost as good.

On 28/03/2018 3:38 a.m., Ervin, Glenn wrote:
For me, it’s not that the eSpeak voices aren’t clear, or intelligible, it’s more that they sound too robotic, even with the settings set different.
To me, all variations of eSpeak have a mechanical tone to them, not smooth like Eloquence, which although does still sound synthetic, just is less, well, mechanical sounding.
However, I would select eSpeak over the more human-sounding voices if there was no Eloquence.
Glenn

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2018 12:08 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] I take it there have been no improvements to the flawed espeak ng in 2017.4?

I'm using the American voice and it's great. I'm using the Max varient and I think he's the clearest of all the voices. The female 5 voice is pretty clear too.



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sarah k Alawami
Sent: Monday, March 26, 2018 8:30 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] I take it there have been no improvements to the flawed espeak ng in 2017.4?

I use the american variant for espeak. It is the best one out there, I think it is the klat one I use. That sounds like chocolate to my ear.

On Mar 26, 2018, at 4:03 PM, Sharni-Lee Ward <sharni-lee.ward@hotmail.com<mailto:sharni-lee.ward@hotmail.com>> wrote:

I've tried other synths in the past, and know their issues from sometimes painful experience. Some of the Speech Platform voices cannot even pronounce the "n" in my name and mispronounce so many other things that it's honestly too frustrating to work with them at all. The Vocaliser voices I've tried are equally frustrating. If I somehow get them to say the word correctly, they don't stress the right syllables and I have no idea how to change that behaviour.

I may consider buying the legal Eloquence addon if it is as good as you say, but that will have to be at a time when my finances are not so tight.

On 27/03/2018 8:42 AM, Gene wrote:
You don’t know how the Eloquence synthesizer would work with the dictionary you already have. Your generalization about other synthesizers is just that, a generalization. You don't know if it applies to Eloquence.

Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Sharni-Lee Ward<mailto:sharni-lee.ward@hotmail.com>
Sent: Monday, March 26, 2018 3:30 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] I take it there have been no improvements to the flawed espeak ng in 2017.4?

I will add that one of my favourite features to work with in NVDA is the
Speech Dictionary. Espeak might have some issues out of the box, but it
is quite receptive to alternative pronunciations via the Speech
Dictionary, and I have made liberal use of it. Other synths are more
annoying to work with on that score.


On 27/03/2018 2:16 AM, Ervin, Glenn wrote:
I would never use the "human sounding" voices for using the computer, however, for reading long articles, or a short book, I would not want to use something like Eloquence, or heaven's sake, not eSpeak.
The human-sounding voices are good for strictly listening, where there is little or no keyboard input.
Glenn


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Rob Hudson
Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2018 1:12 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] I take it there have been no improvements to the flawed espeak ng in 2017.4?

Lino Morales <linomorales001@gmail.com<mailto:linomorales001@gmail.com>> wrote:
This is what talking books are for. Regardless of what synth I use. You realize bla hearing a book ready by a speech synth would be? Boring. It would put me to sleep.
But not all books are made into audio books. In fact, the vast majority are not. And if you're into online fiction, synth reading is the only game in town.








Re: microsoft turn round on skype

 

Well the issue aparently was in its installer.

So ms seems to have fixed it and lets hope classic skype continues for some time yet even if it never changes, even if its never updated I can take that.

In fact unless its needed we as blind people really don't need skype updated anyway for what we use it for.

On 28/03/2018 3:18 a.m., Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
I have a feeling a lot of people got into contact with Microsoft who used Skype 7 as an accessible program for blind who were employed, and think of the scandal if the news hit the streets that blind people put out of Work by crazy Microsoft decision?

Not good on the brownie points and probably not much help for those working in government departments using it if blind as well.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Shaun Everiss" <sm.everiss@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2018 2:03 AM
Subject: [nvda] microsoft turn round on skype


Hi all.

Today I recieved a skype update.

I was surprised I thought ms had abandond skype 7.

But no, aparently not.

If you download skype select the tablet tab and you can get classic skype.

I updated from skype itself, and I still had skype classic.

What this means, is interesting in itself.

We can choose classic again, I do wander if people complained to ms a lot and they finally saw reason.

For me it means at least for the short term till ms decides to plonk skype classic yet again I can continue to work with skype classic on win7 and maybe on 10.

I am not apposed to updating skype, but skype7 is accessible, and I have been using it for ages.

Bar the occasional calls and such there are a lot of things skype 8 and uaps are missing.

Maybe its the big improvement ms is making with skype, and maybe they realise they are not there yet.

Fact is, skype just got an update dispite what they said about an insecure installer.

That for me at least for now means progress.

Eventually I will probably get a smartphone maybe an ios device, the fact is I will have loads of uses for other forms of communication.

If skype gets to rubbish, I may simply close down skype entirely.

My ms account's main focus is mainly for knfb reader but to be hones bar the apps I purchaced there is little keeping me and microsoft online friends at all.

It used to be music, music, apps, skype.

Now its just some apps and with the apps being well who knows, and no music, there is just 1 app I brought, and skype.

Hardly any of my contacts talk on skype with me anymore bar the nvda dev group, and if it gets to hairy I will get rid of that group, there were also test groups about to for different things but I will now try to find nonskype things to do the tests with.







Re: I take it there have been no improvements to the flawed espeak ng in 2017.4?

Reece H. Dunn
 

On Mon, Mar 26, 2018 at 01:42 am, Shaun Everiss wrote:
Espeakng is nice, better than espeak but I do wish the pronounciations
could be corrected, I mean there was nothing wrong with the old ones.
Taking the regression in the pronunciation of "resignedly" as an example, this was caused by a fix to words like "allegedly" and "reputedly" that were misporounced in espeak. The issue is that those words without the -edly suffix end in an 'e', while "resignedly" does not. The fix ended up adding an 'e' to "resign" when removing the -edly suffix, causing it to sound strange. I did not detect this because the word list I was using to compare the old and new pronunciations did not contain "resignedly".

If there are any pronunciations that are wrong, let me know and I can fix them (even if you just say which words they are). If you say things like "espeak-ng sounds wrong", or "espeak-ng is broken", then I cannot fix that as I don't know what needs changing.

Additionally, from espeak I have fixed the pronunciations for: manoeuvred, reckon, Frances (the name), sponging, Southend, Austen, aurora, recollect, ignoramus, straightforward, hippopotamuses, multiple, muse, soothsay, Orion. eta. theta. zeta, lambda, delta, thermal, sage, palazzo, cherish, resemble, visage, egress, chew, praiseworthy, racquet(ball), pureblood, d's, h's, k's, o's, p's, t's, y's, z's, and more. I have also fixed sir, nosir, and yessir in the Scottish English accent.


Re: I take it there have been no improvements to the flawed espeak ng in 2017.4?

Rui Fontes
 

Around US$93 according Google...

You can use the installer in:
http://tiflotecnia.net/eloquence_sapi5_tiflo.exe
It will works as a demo during one or two weeks.

Regards,

Rui Fontes
Tiflotecnia, Lda.


Às 18:43 de 27/03/2018, Ronald J Glaser escreveu:

how much does that translate into for us dollars?
On 3/27/2018 12:31 PM, Rui Fontes wrote:
Hello!
Às 16:24 de 27/03/2018, Casey escreveu:
Hi does this have fast response time when you read with it?
Yes, it haves.


Às 16:24 de 27/03/2018, Casey escreveu:
Also can you only use it with NVDA or other speech synth as well like Jaws?
No, it is SAPI5, so you can use it with any app that uses SAPI5 protocole, like Narrator and so on...


Às 16:24 de 27/03/2018, Casey escreveu:
And how much does it cost to purchase this if you decide to purchase it.
We are asking 75 EUR.

Best regards,

Rui Fontes
Tiflotecnia, Lda.



--
a friend like You
Makes The Day Go Right!


Help Setting Up Windows 10 Laptop for Android Phone Duties?

Kenny <kwashingtonbox@...>
 

Good day!


I'm doing something that should had been done a while ago.


I'm going to stop using my Nexus 5x phone as my main source of receiving News, sports and Tweets.


Just purchased a FULL HD DELL LATITUDE 14 ULTRABOOK CORE™ i7 8GB 256GB SSD WINDOWS 10 LAPTOP PC to take over these duties.


This is my question to the list.


I relied on Apps like Bleecher Report, NBC/ABC/AP News and Twitter to receive instant push notifications to my Android phone which was read out by TalkBack 6.1.


Is there someway for me to set this same behavior up on the Windows 10 Ultrabook I brought?


Should I install similar apps from the MS store? How about use the Google Chrome browser to access these apps instead?


Just not sure which way works the best. Not only that, works well with NVDA 2018.1?


I'm also not sure if this question is appropriate to post to this list at all. If there's another I can post to for assistance, please share the subscription details so I can do so.


Any help would be greatly appreciated.


-Kenny


Re: I take it there have been no improvements to the flawed espeak ng in 2017.4?

Antony Stone
 

On Tuesday 27 March 2018 at 19:43:05, Ronald J Glaser wrote:

how much does that translate into for us dollars?

On 3/27/2018 12:31 PM, Rui Fontes wrote:
Hello!

Às 16:24 de 27/03/2018, Casey escreveu:
Hi does this have fast response time when you read with it?
Yes, it haves.

Às 16:24 de 27/03/2018, Casey escreveu:
Also can you only use it with NVDA or other speech synth as well like
Jaws?
No, it is SAPI5, so you can use it with any app that uses SAPI5
protocole, like Narrator and so on...

Às 16:24 de 27/03/2018, Casey escreveu:
And how much does it cost to purchase this if you decide to purchase it.
We are asking 75 EUR.

Best regards,

Rui Fontes
Tiflotecnia, Lda.
--
What makes you think I know what I'm talking about?
I just have more O'Reilly books than most people.

Please reply to the list;
please *don't* CC me.


Re: I take it there have been no improvements to the flawed espeak ng in 2017.4?

Ronald J Glaser
 

how much does that translate into for us dollars?


On 3/27/2018 12:31 PM, Rui Fontes wrote:
Hello!
Às 16:24 de 27/03/2018, Casey escreveu:
Hi does this have fast response time when you read with it?

Yes, it haves.


Às 16:24 de 27/03/2018, Casey escreveu:
Also can you only use it with NVDA or other speech synth as well like Jaws?

No, it is SAPI5, so you can use it with any app that uses SAPI5 protocole, like Narrator and so on...


Às 16:24 de 27/03/2018, Casey escreveu:
And how much does it cost to purchase this if you decide to purchase it.

We are asking 75 EUR.

Best regards,

Rui Fontes
Tiflotecnia, Lda.





-- 
a friend like  You
Makes The Day Go Right!


Re: I take it there have been no improvements to the flawed espeak ng in 2017.4?

Casey <cwollner@...>
 

Hi thanks for the reply.

But now if you are in the united states how much does it cost and can you demo it or hear A sample of this in use before one can purchase it to see if we would want it or not for sure?

On 3/27/2018 12:31 PM, Rui Fontes wrote:
Hello!
Às 16:24 de 27/03/2018, Casey escreveu:
Hi does this have fast response time when you read with it?
Yes, it haves.


Às 16:24 de 27/03/2018, Casey escreveu:
Also can you only use it with NVDA or other speech synth as well like Jaws?
No, it is SAPI5, so you can use it with any app that uses SAPI5 protocole, like Narrator and so on...


Às 16:24 de 27/03/2018, Casey escreveu:
And how much does it cost to purchase this if you decide to purchase it.
We are asking 75 EUR.

Best regards,

Rui Fontes
Tiflotecnia, Lda.


--

Casey


Re: I take it there have been no improvements to the flawed espeak ng in 2017.4?

Rui Fontes
 

Hello!
Às 16:24 de 27/03/2018, Casey escreveu:
Hi does this have fast response time when you read with it?
Yes, it haves.


Às 16:24 de 27/03/2018, Casey escreveu:
Also can you only use it with NVDA or other speech synth as well like Jaws?
No, it is SAPI5, so you can use it with any app that uses SAPI5 protocole, like Narrator and so on...


Às 16:24 de 27/03/2018, Casey escreveu:
And how much does it cost to purchase this if you decide to purchase it.
We are asking 75 EUR.

Best regards,

Rui Fontes
Tiflotecnia, Lda.


Re: Qwiklabs virtual machines

John Isige
 

You should be able to connect to the Linux machines the way you'd connect to any Linux machine, I'd think. As for Windows, I'd try putting NVDA with NVDA Remote on the virtual machine and installing NVDA Remote on the machine you're trying to connect from, and see if that works.

On 3/27/2018 11:56, Ali Colak wrote:
Hello all,
I am currently doing a course where I have to work with virtual
instances of windows and Linux on google Qwiklabs environment. I have
tried both using Google's chrome environment with the RDP ap, and
tried using the windows remote ap. neither works with a screen reader.
Any suggestions? I know that some people have worked before with
bootable virtual machines before, but they were booting from an actual
physical drive and not connecting remotely I believe.
Thanks for your help
Ali


Re: Keyboard shortcuts for Libre Office writer

Casey <cwollner@...>
 

hi what all comes with open office and is it all free?

Also how well does it work with Jaws 2018 as well?

On 3/27/2018 9:32 AM, zahra wrote:
hi.
thanks so much for list of shortcuts.
for users who want to download libreoffice:
www.libreoffice.org/download
God bless you all!

On 3/27/18, Kerryn Gunness via Groups.Io <k_gunness=yahoo.ca@groups.io> wrote:
very nice
where could i downlode lebrea office?

----- Original Message -----
From: Tony Ballou
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2018 10:12 AM
Subject: [nvda] Keyboard shortcuts for Libre Office writer


Hi,




Here are the keyboard shortcuts for Libre office writer.





Tony







Keyboard shortcuts for Libre office writer



Keyboard shortcut

Command



Control-a

Select All



Control-b

Bold text



Control-c

Copies highlighted Text to the clipboard

Control-x

Cuts highlighted text to the clipboard

Control-v

Pastes the highlighted text from the clipboard to the location that you
specify



keep in mind that when the text is copied, it appears in both the original
and the specified location.

When the text is cut it appears in the specified location only



Control-Shift-v

Paste Special

pastes formatting, and formatted text from the clipboard



control-alt-shift-V

Pastes unformatted text from the clipboard



control-E

Centers text



Control f

Find text



Control -g

Go To



control-H

Find and replace Text



Control-I

Italicize text



Control-J

Justify Text



Control-l

Left align text



Control-r

Right align text



Control-n

Creates a new blank Document



Control-o

Brings up the open file dialog box



Control-P

Brings up the Print Dialog box



Control-S

Saves the current open Document. If it is a new one, the save as dialog
box will open where you can give it a specific file name, save it with a
specific file format extension such as .txt, .rtf, .doc, .docx, or in the
case of programs like open and libre office, .odt; and a specific location
such as a folder on your hard drive, or external storage device.



Control u

Underlines text



Control-y

redoes your last action



control-z

undoes your last action



Control-Shift-P

inserts superscript



Control-shift-b

Inserts subscript



Control-Enter

Page break



Navigation Keyboard shortcuts



left arrow

moves one character to the left



shift-left arrow

highlights the character to the left



Right arrow

moves one character to the right

Shift-right arrow

Highlights the character to the right



up arrow

moves up one line



Shift-up arrow

Highlights text in an upward direction



Down arrow

Moves down one line



Shift-down arrow

Highlights text in a downward direction



Control -left arrow

moves one word to the left



control-right arrow

moves one word to the right



Control-shift-left arrow

Highlights the word to the left



Control-Shift-right arrow

Highlights the word to the right



Control-up arrow

moves to the beginning of the previous paragraph



Control-shift-up arrow

highlights the text to the beginning of the paragraph

Control-Down arrow

Moves to the end of the paragraph



Control-Shift-down arrow

Highlights the text to the end of the paragraph



Home

Moves to the beginning of the line

shift-home

Highlights the text from the cursor position to the beginning of the line



End

Moves to the end of the line

Shift-end

Highlights the text from the cursor position to the end of the line



Control-home

moves the cursor to the beginning of the document





Control-End

Moves the cursor to the end of the document



Control-shift-home

Highlights the text from the cursor position to the beginning of the
document



Control-shift-end

highlights the text from the cursor position to the end of the document



Page up

moves the cursor up one screen

(this is approximately 24 lines)



Page down

Moves the cursor down one screen

(This is approximately 24 lines)



Shift-page up

Highlights the text up by one screen



Shift-page down

Highlights the text down by one screen



Control-Backspace

Ce



Deletes the text to the beginning of the word



Control-delete

Deletes the text to the end of the word



Control-shift-backspace

deletes the text to the beginning of the sentence



Control-shift Delete

Deletes the text to the end of a sentence
















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Qwiklabs virtual machines

Ali Colak
 

Hello all,
I am currently doing a course where I have to work with virtual
instances of windows and Linux on google Qwiklabs environment. I have
tried both using Google's chrome environment with the RDP ap, and
tried using the windows remote ap. neither works with a screen reader.
Any suggestions? I know that some people have worked before with
bootable virtual machines before, but they were booting from an actual
physical drive and not connecting remotely I believe.
Thanks for your help
Ali


Re: email list for open office users

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Oh wow! I'm looking forward to the shorcut keys for kelp. They'll come in handy--especially since I want to start creating a budget. Thanks so much for all your help.

 

Rosemarie

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tony Ballou
Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2018 7:02 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] email list for open office users

 

Hi Gang,

 

I've got the keyboard shortcuts for open and libre office writer coming up. They will be in separate posts that way there's no room for confusion. Will have the open and libre office calc shortcuts for you once I get back from working out. 

 

Tony

 

 

On 3/27/2018 2:13 AM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:

You're right. The list of shortcut keys for open office and libre office will be helpful for all of us.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ervin, Glenn
Sent: Monday, March 26, 2018 8:30 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] email list for open office users

 

That sort of thing is not a clutter to the list, it will help all.

I save such list messages for later reference.

Glenn

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tony Ballou
Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2018 10:47 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] email list for open office users

 

Hi Guys,

 

Let me dig them up and I'll make sure you get them. 

 

Tony

 

On 3/25/2018 6:47 PM, David Moore wrote:

I would really like those key commands as well Please!

I am very interested in using both and picking which one appeals to me more!

Thanks a lot, in advance.

David Moore

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2018 4:42 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] email list for open office users

 

Hi, Tony,

 

I'd love to have a list of the keyboard shortcuts for both open office and libre office. If you'd like, you can send them to me off list so we don't clutter up the list. My email address is knitqueen2007@....

 

Rosemarie

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tony Ballou
Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2018 12:20 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] email list for open office users

 

Hi Rosemarie, 

 

I've been messing around with both open and libre offices writers for about 1 year and a half or so, and found keyboard shortcut lists for both.  I also found the keyboard shortcuts for open office calc.  If you want I can send you those.  I'm not sure if there is an email list, for blind users of these programs though.  I haven't seen anything come across the boards about one. It would be interesting to know if such list are out there. 

 

Tony

On 3/23/2018 3:20 PM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:

Hi, everyone,

 

Is there an email list for open office users? I'd especially like to learn kelp and writer.

 

Thanks for your help in advance.

 

Rosemarie

 

 

 

 

 

 


Re: Keyboard shortcuts for Libre Office writer

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Hi, Tony,

 

Thanks so much for these shortcut keystrokes for libre office writer. I'll keep this message for future reference.

 

Rosemarie

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tony Ballou
Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2018 7:13 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Keyboard shortcuts for Libre Office writer

 

Hi,

 

Here are the keyboard shortcuts for Libre office writer. 

 

Tony

 



            Keyboard shortcuts for Libre office writer

 

      Keyboard shortcut

Command

 

Control-a

Select All

 

Control-b

Bold text

 

Control-c

Copies highlighted Text to the clipboard

Control-x

Cuts highlighted text to the clipboard

Control-v

Pastes the highlighted text from the clipboard to the location that you specify

 

keep in mind that when the text is copied, it appears in both the original and the specified location. 

When the text is cut it appears in the specified location only

 

Control-Shift-v

Paste Special

pastes formatting, and formatted text from the clipboard

 

control-alt-shift-V

Pastes unformatted text from the clipboard 

 

  control-E

Centers text

 

Control f

Find text

 

Control     -g

Go To

 

control-H

Find and replace Text

 

Control-I

Italicize text

 

Control-J

Justify Text

 

Control-l

Left align text

 

Control-r

Right align text

 

Control-n

Creates a new blank Document

 

Control-o

Brings up the open file dialog box

 

Control-P

Brings up the Print Dialog box

         

Control-S

Saves the current open Document.  If it is a new one, the save as dialog box will open where you can give it a specific file name, save it with a specific file format extension such as .txt, .rtf, .doc, .docx, or in the case  of programs like open and libre office, .odt; and a specific location such as a folder on your hard drive, or external storage device.

   

 Control u

Underlines text

 

Control-y

redoes your last action

 

control-z

undoes your last action

 

Control-Shift-P

inserts superscript

 

Control-shift-b

Inserts subscript

 

Control-Enter

Page break

 

Navigation Keyboard shortcuts

 

left arrow

moves one character to the left

 

shift-left arrow

highlights the character to the left

  

Right arrow

moves one character to the right

Shift-right arrow

Highlights the character to the right

 

up arrow

moves up one line

 

Shift-up arrow

Highlights text in an upward direction

 

Down arrow

Moves down one line

 

Shift-down arrow

Highlights text in a downward direction

 

Control -left arrow

moves one word to the left

 

control-right arrow

moves one word to the right

 

Control-shift-left arrow

Highlights the word to the left

 

Control-Shift-right arrow

Highlights the word to the right

 

Control-up arrow

moves to the beginning of the previous paragraph

 

Control-shift-up arrow

highlights the text to the beginning of the paragraph

Control-Down arrow

Moves to the end of the paragraph

 

Control-Shift-down arrow

Highlights the text to the end of the paragraph

 

Home

Moves to the beginning of the line

shift-home

Highlights the text from the cursor position to the beginning of the line

 End

Moves  to the end of the line

Shift-end

Highlights the text from the cursor position to the end of the line

 

Control-home

moves the cursor to the beginning of the document

 

 

Control-End

Moves the cursor to the end of the document

 

Control-shift-home

Highlights the text from the cursor position to the beginning of the document

 

Control-shift-end

highlights the text from the cursor position to the end of the document

 

Page up

moves the cursor up one screen

(this is approximately 24 lines)

 

Page down

Moves the cursor down one screen

(This is approximately 24 lines)

 

Shift-page up

Highlights the text up by one screen

 

Shift-page down

Highlights the text down by one screen

 

Control-Backspace

Ce

 

Deletes the text to the beginning of the word

 

Control-delete

Deletes the text to the end of the word

 

Control-shift-backspace

deletes the text to the beginning of the sentence

 

Control-shift Delete

Deletes the text to the end of a sentence

 

 

 

 

 


Re: I take it there have been no improvements to the flawed espeak ng in 2017.4?

Brandon Cross <bcross3286@...>
 

I don't know where to begin, so I'll just pick a point in all this thread and go from there. It is not logical to assume the developers will make a change for just one person, therefore, might I suggest creating an issue on github with specific problems bullet pointed, and ask everyone in the list to look at this and reply to the issue if they have similar problems. To whoever was saying whether or not Eloquence dictionaries will be applied to eSPeak ones or not, no, definitely not, Eloquence has hard and fast rules and is most inflexible in changing its pronunciation, eSpeak bends more easily, so the same modifications you would need to make eSpeak say a name correctly would most likely not work in Eloquence. I would recommend against buying a sapi addon unless it will only be used for long reading, as navigating the system and so forth, these voices have too much latency to be practical. I would also recommend against purchasing the vocalizer / eloquence addon for NVDA made by code factory. This addon is quite frankly junk. The Eloquence portion of it crackles and pops, and this behavior has been tested on two machines. It also uses extremely long pauses at punctuation marks like a comma or period. It cannot be configured to be shorter.

One option left to the OP is to obtain NVDA from source code via github and they would then have the ability to place whatever version of eSpeak they would wish to use, then build it. This is a long view scenario, and would require certain knowledge of how to clone a git repository, as well as using scons to build it. Also, the repo doesn't come with scons, so finding that is another challenge.

I don't use eSpeak, I don't like it, can't stand it, never could. Now, aside from that, I have noticed an unpleasant quality of the voice that appears in most variants since the switch to NG. I cannot describe this quality accurately. Suffice it to say that it appears almost as a random series of very light clicks is injected into the speech stream. This is highly distracting as it just sounds terrible. Again, this has been tested on at least 3 machines and found to be the case among all of them. Keeping in mind that this machine has no trouble running higher quality human sounding concatinative synths, so I doubt its a performance issue. I have cooked up my own variants and they are affected as well. Maybe I will record it, because I can't put it into words, it is definitely not the voice crackling, or breaking up, it is as if someone hijacked the audiostream, modifying it memory to include these tiny little clicks and then let it pass to the sound card that way.


On Tue, Mar 27, 2018 at 10:43 AM, Ervin, Glenn <glenn.ervin@...> wrote:
If I run it too fast, I may understand it all, but I cannot retain the information, my puny brain needs time to process it for retention.
Glenn


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss
Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2018 2:14 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] I take it there have been no improvements to the flawed espeak ng in 2017.4?

I know people that can run speech as fast as it would go, 300-600 wpm.

But I was never able to do that, when in university, I ran at 200-300wpm at a stretch.

Once out of university I dropped back to 120, simply put yes I could get the gist but I could never understand things at that speed.

As an admin and support person I need to understand what the heck my speech is saying.

Testing websites and stuff will give me inaccessible things, broken things and really bad things, running fast will not get me anywhere.




On 27/03/2018 7:29 p.m., Sharni-Lee Ward wrote:
> Well, it's a good thing the only career I intend on having is that of a fantasy writer, then, isn't it? :D
>
> On 27/03/2018 5:05 PM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
> If you had a job that involved listening like a customer service rep, you'd have no choice but to get used to listening to your screen reader at a faster speed.
>
>
>
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sharni-Lee Ward
> Sent: Monday, March 26, 2018 1:19 PM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> Subject: Re: [nvda] I take it there have been no improvements to the flawed espeak ng in 2017.4?
>
>
> I'll admit I've not heard Eloquence outside of Jaws and the addon I was sent some years back. I didn't know the version in Jaws was different to Eloquence on its own. The one in the addon I have doesn't pause very long between sentences. Also, I just do not like to speed up my synth too much. I still think of how some of you can listen to something at the highest rate possible and understand it. I've tried increasing it a little, but it's just not enjoyable for me.
>
>
>
> That said, I'm now very used to Espeak, and it may not be an improvement over Eloquence in the opinion of some, but it was definitely an improvement over Microsoft Anna, which was what I had been stuck with via Narrator until I discovered NVDA. Espeak is the voice of NVDA to me now, and other synths fall short in many ways.
>
> On 26/03/2018 7:20 PM, Gene wrote:
> You wrote:
> I don't like Eloquence because it isn't as crisp as Espeak. I have compared
> it to A.M radio in the past, and Espeak to FM/CD Quality sound.
>
> That is a very inaccurate comparison.  E-Speak has more high end in the s sounds and the voice may have a little more high end but hardly comparable to FM radio or CD quality sound.  and why is the difference of perhaps two thousand or three thousand KHZ, by my estimate, from, let's say, around 7000KHZ in Eloquence to about nine hundred or one thousand KHZ in E-Speak of any real importance?  I would imagine you talk on the phone without worrying about such things.
>
> Eloquence has much better understandability of speech at higher speeds, and pronounces a lot more words correctly.
>
> Also, I don't know if you are talking about Eloquence as modified by the producers of JAWS or Eloquence, as it is unmodified.  The JAWS designers customized it.  If you are saying it isn't crisp because you are thinking of JAWS Eloquence, that's not an accurate representation of what unmodified Eloquence sounds like. Also, the JAWS modifiers took out pauses at periods.  That seriously degrades reading, that the modified version doesn't pause at periods.
>
> You may be pleasantly surprised if you try the demo of the HTML version.  If you haven't heard unmodified Eloquence, you don't know what it really sounds like.
>
> Gene
>
>
>









Re: keyboard shortcuts for open office writer

 

can you please mention the differences between open and libreoffice shortcuts?

On 3/27/18, Ervin, Glenn <glenn.ervin@nebraska.gov> wrote:
Thanks Tony.
Glenn


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tony
Ballou
Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2018 9:43 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] keyboard shortcuts for open office writer

Hi,


Not really.  There may be a few that are different here and there, but from
what I've seen, for the most part, they are pretty much the same.  '


Tony


On 3/27/2018 10:38 AM, zahra wrote:
hi.
thanks again for your great work.
is there any difference between shortcuts of openoffice and libreoffice?

On 3/27/18, Tony Ballou <cyberpro224@outlook.com> wrote:
Hi,


Here are the keyboard shortcuts for open office writer.


Tony


Keyboard shortcuts for open office writer



Keyboard shortcut

Command



Control-a

Select All

Control-b

Bold text



Control-c

Copies highlighted Text to the clipboard

Control-x

Cuts highlighted text to the clipboard

Control-v

Pastes the highlighted text from the clipboard to the location that
you
specify



keep in mind that when the text is copied, it appears in both the
original
and the specified location.

When the text is cut it appears in the specified location only



control-E

Centers text



Control f

Find and replace Text



Control -g

Go To



Italic

Control-I



Control-J

Justify Text

Control-l

Left align text

Control-r

Right align text

Control-n

Creates a new blank Document

Control-o

Brings up the open file dialog box

Control-P

Brings up the Print Dialog box



Control-S

Saves the current open Document. If it is a new one, the save as dialog
box
will open where you can give it a specific file name, save it with a
specific file format extension such as .txt, .rtf, .doc, .docx, or in
the
case of programs like open and libre office, .odt; and a specific
location
such as a folder on your hard drive, or external storage device.



Control u

Underlines text



Control-y

redoes your last action



control-z

undoes your last action










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Re: I take it there have been no improvements to the flawed espeak ng in 2017.4?

Casey <cwollner@...>
 

Hi does this have fast response time when you read with it?

Also can you only use it with NVDA or other speech synth as well like Jaws?

And how much does it cost to purchase this if you decide to purchase it.

On 3/27/2018 8:52 AM, Rui Fontes wrote:
Hello!

You can find the installer on:
http://tiflotecnia.net/eloquence_sapi5_tiflo.exe

You have one or two weeks to try...

Best regards,

Rui Fontes
Tiflotecnia, Lda.


Às 02:25 de 27/03/2018, Ronald J Glaser escreveu:
Where can you find this addon, and how much is it?



On 3/26/2018 8:01 PM, Gene wrote:
I don't know what you will think of it but you can try the demo if you want to evaluate it.  As I recall, it runs for seven days.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Sharni-Lee Ward <mailto:sharni-lee.ward@hotmail.com>
*Sent:* Monday, March 26, 2018 6:03 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] I take it there have been no improvements to the flawed espeak ng in 2017.4?

I've tried other synths in the past, and know their issues from sometimes painful experience. Some of the Speech Platform voices cannot even pronounce the "n" in my name and mispronounce so many other things that it's honestly too frustrating to work with them at all. The Vocaliser voices I've tried are equally frustrating. If I somehow get them to say the word correctly, they don't stress the right syllables and I have no idea how to change that behaviour.


I may consider buying the legal Eloquence addon if it is as good as you say, but that will have to be at a time when my finances are not so tight.


On 27/03/2018 8:42 AM, Gene wrote:
You don’t know how the Eloquence synthesizer would work with the dictionary you already have.  Your generalization about other synthesizers is just that, a generalization.  You don't know if it applies to Eloquence.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Sharni-Lee Ward <mailto:sharni-lee.ward@hotmail.com>
*Sent:* Monday, March 26, 2018 3:30 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] I take it there have been no improvements to the flawed espeak ng in 2017.4?

I will add that one of my favourite features to work with in NVDA is the
Speech Dictionary. Espeak might have some issues out of the box, but it
is quite receptive to alternative pronunciations via the Speech
Dictionary, and I have made liberal use of it. Other synths are more
annoying to work with on that score.


On 27/03/2018 2:16 AM, Ervin, Glenn wrote:
I would never use the "human sounding" voices for using the
computer, however, for reading long articles, or a short book, I would not want to use something like Eloquence, or heaven's sake, not eSpeak.
The human-sounding voices are good for strictly listening, where
there is little or no keyboard input.
Glenn


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Rob Hudson
Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2018 1:12 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] I take it there have been no improvements to
the flawed espeak ng in 2017.4?

Lino Morales <linomorales001@gmail.com
<mailto:linomorales001@gmail.com>> wrote:
This is what talking books are for. Regardless of what synth I
use. You realize bla hearing a book ready by a speech synth would be? Boring. It would put me to sleep.

But not all books are made into audio books. In fact, the vast
majority are not. And if you're into online fiction, synth reading is the only game in town.







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