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Re: keyboard shortcuts for open office writer

 

hi.
thanks again for your great work.
is there any difference between shortcuts of openoffice and libreoffice?

On 3/27/18, Tony Ballou <cyberpro224@outlook.com> wrote:
Hi,


Here are the keyboard shortcuts for open office writer.


Tony


Keyboard shortcuts for open office writer



Keyboard shortcut

Command



Control-a

Select All

Control-b

Bold text



Control-c

Copies highlighted Text to the clipboard

Control-x

Cuts highlighted text to the clipboard

Control-v

Pastes the highlighted text from the clipboard to the location that you
specify



keep in mind that when the text is copied, it appears in both the original
and the specified location.

When the text is cut it appears in the specified location only



control-E

Centers text



Control f

Find and replace Text



Control -g

Go To



Italic

Control-I



Control-J

Justify Text

Control-l

Left align text

Control-r

Right align text

Control-n

Creates a new blank Document

Control-o

Brings up the open file dialog box

Control-P

Brings up the Print Dialog box



Control-S

Saves the current open Document. If it is a new one, the save as dialog box
will open where you can give it a specific file name, save it with a
specific file format extension such as .txt, .rtf, .doc, .docx, or in the
case of programs like open and libre office, .odt; and a specific location
such as a folder on your hard drive, or external storage device.



Control u

Underlines text



Control-y

redoes your last action



control-z

undoes your last action




--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali


Re: Keyboard shortcuts for Libre Office writer

 

hi.
thanks so much for list of shortcuts.
for users who want to download libreoffice:
www.libreoffice.org/download
God bless you all!

On 3/27/18, Kerryn Gunness via Groups.Io <k_gunness=yahoo.ca@groups.io> wrote:
very nice
where could i downlode lebrea office?

----- Original Message -----
From: Tony Ballou
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2018 10:12 AM
Subject: [nvda] Keyboard shortcuts for Libre Office writer


Hi,




Here are the keyboard shortcuts for Libre office writer.





Tony







Keyboard shortcuts for Libre office writer



Keyboard shortcut

Command



Control-a

Select All



Control-b

Bold text



Control-c

Copies highlighted Text to the clipboard

Control-x

Cuts highlighted text to the clipboard

Control-v

Pastes the highlighted text from the clipboard to the location that you
specify



keep in mind that when the text is copied, it appears in both the original
and the specified location.

When the text is cut it appears in the specified location only



Control-Shift-v

Paste Special

pastes formatting, and formatted text from the clipboard



control-alt-shift-V

Pastes unformatted text from the clipboard



control-E

Centers text



Control f

Find text



Control -g

Go To



control-H

Find and replace Text



Control-I

Italicize text



Control-J

Justify Text



Control-l

Left align text



Control-r

Right align text



Control-n

Creates a new blank Document



Control-o

Brings up the open file dialog box



Control-P

Brings up the Print Dialog box



Control-S

Saves the current open Document. If it is a new one, the save as dialog
box will open where you can give it a specific file name, save it with a
specific file format extension such as .txt, .rtf, .doc, .docx, or in the
case of programs like open and libre office, .odt; and a specific location
such as a folder on your hard drive, or external storage device.



Control u

Underlines text



Control-y

redoes your last action



control-z

undoes your last action



Control-Shift-P

inserts superscript



Control-shift-b

Inserts subscript



Control-Enter

Page break



Navigation Keyboard shortcuts



left arrow

moves one character to the left



shift-left arrow

highlights the character to the left



Right arrow

moves one character to the right

Shift-right arrow

Highlights the character to the right



up arrow

moves up one line



Shift-up arrow

Highlights text in an upward direction



Down arrow

Moves down one line



Shift-down arrow

Highlights text in a downward direction



Control -left arrow

moves one word to the left



control-right arrow

moves one word to the right



Control-shift-left arrow

Highlights the word to the left



Control-Shift-right arrow

Highlights the word to the right



Control-up arrow

moves to the beginning of the previous paragraph



Control-shift-up arrow

highlights the text to the beginning of the paragraph

Control-Down arrow

Moves to the end of the paragraph



Control-Shift-down arrow

Highlights the text to the end of the paragraph



Home

Moves to the beginning of the line

shift-home

Highlights the text from the cursor position to the beginning of the line



End

Moves to the end of the line

Shift-end

Highlights the text from the cursor position to the end of the line



Control-home

moves the cursor to the beginning of the document





Control-End

Moves the cursor to the end of the document



Control-shift-home

Highlights the text from the cursor position to the beginning of the
document



Control-shift-end

highlights the text from the cursor position to the end of the document



Page up

moves the cursor up one screen

(this is approximately 24 lines)



Page down

Moves the cursor down one screen

(This is approximately 24 lines)



Shift-page up

Highlights the text up by one screen



Shift-page down

Highlights the text down by one screen



Control-Backspace

Ce



Deletes the text to the beginning of the word



Control-delete

Deletes the text to the end of the word



Control-shift-backspace

deletes the text to the beginning of the sentence



Control-shift Delete

Deletes the text to the end of a sentence
















--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali


Re: NVDA speech on Word 2016 ribbons

 

hi.
i exactly have this problem because of tooltips enabled!
sometimes, when i navigate in one folder, nvda announces incorrect option.
for example: i press down arrow and nvda announces previous option
after using down arrow!
i hear the correct option in the second report, or by pressing nvda
tab or down and up arrow!
what should i do?
whats the problem with enabling tooltip?
i prefer to activate this option, because it explanes everything in
more detail, but i dont want to hear incorrect option in the first
time!

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Have you got tool tips on?
I have noticed that this is flaky when on, ie sometimes they are not
spoken, sometimes they are not just for word but even in explorer. I have to

say I have developed selective hearing and move on when I get too much
tagged on the end. It can also be irritating when, say in a file list, an
entry is spoken then spoken a second time with more details, presumably from

the tooltip.

Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Giles Turnbull" <giles.turnbull@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, March 26, 2018 3:02 PM
Subject: [nvda] NVDA speech on Word 2016 ribbons


Hi all,

this is a question about Microsoft Word 2016 which I am using on a Win10
laptop with NVDA 2018.1

If I have no Word documents open and then open one, NVDA speaks every object

(apologies if ‘object’ is the wrong word), such as when I press Alt and then

arrow accross the ribbon it will say "Ribbon Toolbar" before speaking Home
and again before speaking Insert and again before speaking Design and Layout

etc.

When I enter the home ribbon and tab through the formatting options NVDA
speaks the following:

Font grouping
Bold toggle button pressed Make your text bold. Alt, H, 1 Ctrl+B
Font tool bar
Italic button Ctrl+I; Alt, H, 2
Home grouping
Font grouping
Italic toggle button not pressed Italicize your text. Alt, H, 2 Ctrl+I
Font tool bar
Underline grouping Alt, H, 3
Home grouping
Font grouping
Underline split button collapsed Underline your text. Alt, H, 3
Font tool bar
Strikethrough button Alt, H, 4
Home grouping
Font grouping
Strikethrough toggle button not pressed Cross something out by drawing a
line through it. Alt, H, 4
Font tool bar
Subscript button Ctrl+=; Alt, H, 5
Home grouping
Font grouping
Subscript toggle button not pressed Type very small letters just below the
line of text. Alt, H, 5 Ctrl+=

If I re-start NVDA and tab through the same set of formatting options
(without re-opening the Word doc) it is not as vocal, which I much prefer
... it now says:

Clear Formatting button Remove all formatting from the selection, leaving
only the normal, unformatted text. Alt, H, E
Bold toggle button pressed Make your text bold. Alt, H, 1 Ctrl+B
Italic toggle button not pressed Italicize your text. Alt, H, 2 Ctrl+I
Underline split button collapsed Underline your text. Alt, H, 3
Strikethrough toggle button not pressed Cross something out by drawing a
line through it. Alt, H, 4
Subscript toggle button not pressed Type very small letters just below the
line of text. Alt, H, 5 Ctrl+=
Superscript toggle button not pressed Type very small letters just above the

line of text. Alt, H, 6 Ctrl+Shift++

Can anyone explain why I experience this? I presume it's not something in
the NVDA settings since otherwise re-starting NVDA presumably wouldn't have

any effect. I'm happy with the “Make your text bold. Alt, H, 1 Ctrl+B” part,

it's just the repetition of which ribbon or ribbon group I'm in that drives

me nuts!

I'm using the speech viewer to record what NVDA is saying in both cases.

Thanks :)

Giles





--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali


Re: Keyboard shortcuts for Libre Office writer

Kerryn Gunness
 


very nice
where could i downlode lebrea office?
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2018 10:12 AM
Subject: [nvda] Keyboard shortcuts for Libre Office writer

Hi,


Here are the keyboard shortcuts for Libre office writer. 


Tony



                        Keyboard shortcuts for Libre office writer

 

            Keyboard shortcut

Command

 

Control-a

 Select All

 

Control-b

Bold text

 

Control-c

Copies highlighted Text to the clipboard

Control-x

Cuts highlighted text to the clipboard

Control-v

 Pastes the highlighted text from the clipboard to the location that you specify

 

keep in mind that when the text is copied, it appears in both the original and the specified location. 

When the text is cut it appears in the specified location only

 

Control-Shift-v

Paste Special

pastes formatting, and formatted text from the clipboard

 

control-alt-shift-V

Pastes unformatted text from the clipboard 

 

  control-E

Centers text

 

Control f

Find text

 

Control            -g

Go To

 

control-H

Find and replace Text

 

Control-I

Italicize text

 

Control-J

Justify Text

 

Control-l

Left align text

 

Control-r

Right align text

 

Control-n

Creates a new blank Document

 

Control-o

Brings up the open file dialog box

 

Control-P

Brings up the Print Dialog box

               

Control-S

Saves the current open Document.  If it is a new one, the save as dialog box will open where you can give it a specific file name, save it with a specific file format extension such as .txt, .rtf, .doc, .docx, or in the case  of programs like open and libre office, .odt; and a specific location such as a folder on your hard drive, or external storage device.

   

 Control u

Underlines text

 

Control-y

 redoes your last action

 

control-z

 undoes your last action

 

Control-Shift-P

inserts superscript

 

Control-shift-b

Inserts subscript

 

Control-Enter

Page break

 

Navigation Keyboard shortcuts

 

left arrow

moves one character to the left

 

shift-left arrow

highlights the character to the left

  

Right arrow

moves one character to the right

Shift-right arrow

Highlights the character to the right

 

up arrow

moves up one line

 

Shift-up arrow

Highlights text in an upward direction

 

Down arrow

Moves down one line

 

Shift-down arrow

Highlights text in a downward direction

 

Control -left arrow

moves one word to the left

 

control-right arrow

moves one word to the right

 

Control-shift-left arrow

Highlights the word to the left

 

Control-Shift-right arrow

Highlights the word to the right

 

Control-up arrow

moves to the beginning of the previous paragraph

 

Control-shift-up arrow

 highlights the text to the beginning of the paragraph

Control-Down arrow

Moves to the end of the paragraph

 

Control-Shift-down arrow

Highlights the text to the end of the paragraph

 

Home

Moves to the beginning of the line

 shift-home

Highlights the text from the cursor position to the beginning of the line

 

 End

Moves  to the end of the line

Shift-end

Highlights the text from the cursor position to the end of the line

 

Control-home

moves the cursor to the beginning of the document

 

 

Control-End

Moves the cursor to the end of the document

 

Control-shift-home

Highlights the text from the cursor position to the beginning of the document

 

Control-shift-end

highlights the text from the cursor position to the end of the document

 

Page up

moves the cursor up one screen

(this is approximately 24 lines)

 

Page down

Moves the cursor down one screen

(This is approximately 24 lines)

 

Shift-page up

Highlights the text up by one screen

 

Shift-page down

Highlights the text down by one screen

 

Control-Backspace

Ce

 

Deletes the text to the beginning of the word

 

Control-delete

Deletes the text to the end of the word

 

Control-shift-backspace

deletes the text to the beginning of the sentence

 

Control-shift Delete

Deletes the text to the end of a sentence

 

 

 




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Re: microsoft turn round on skype

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I have a feeling a lot of people got into contact with Microsoft who used Skype 7 as an accessible program for blind who were employed, and think of the scandal if the news hit the streets that blind people put out of Work by crazy Microsoft decision?

Not good on the brownie points and probably not much help for those working in government departments using it if blind as well.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Shaun Everiss" <sm.everiss@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2018 2:03 AM
Subject: [nvda] microsoft turn round on skype


Hi all.

Today I recieved a skype update.

I was surprised I thought ms had abandond skype 7.

But no, aparently not.

If you download skype select the tablet tab and you can get classic skype.

I updated from skype itself, and I still had skype classic.

What this means, is interesting in itself.

We can choose classic again, I do wander if people complained to ms a lot and they finally saw reason.

For me it means at least for the short term till ms decides to plonk skype classic yet again I can continue to work with skype classic on win7 and maybe on 10.

I am not apposed to updating skype, but skype7 is accessible, and I have been using it for ages.

Bar the occasional calls and such there are a lot of things skype 8 and uaps are missing.

Maybe its the big improvement ms is making with skype, and maybe they realise they are not there yet.

Fact is, skype just got an update dispite what they said about an insecure installer.

That for me at least for now means progress.

Eventually I will probably get a smartphone maybe an ios device, the fact is I will have loads of uses for other forms of communication.

If skype gets to rubbish, I may simply close down skype entirely.

My ms account's main focus is mainly for knfb reader but to be hones bar the apps I purchaced there is little keeping me and microsoft online friends at all.

It used to be music, music, apps, skype.

Now its just some apps and with the apps being well who knows, and no music, there is just 1 app I brought, and skype.

Hardly any of my contacts talk on skype with me anymore bar the nvda dev group, and if it gets to hairy I will get rid of that group, there were also test groups about to for different things but I will now try to find nonskype things to do the tests with.




Re: NVDA speech on Word 2016 ribbons

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Have you got tool tips on?
I have noticed that this is flaky when on, ie sometimes they are not spoken, sometimes they are not just for word but even in explorer. I have to say I have developed selective hearing and move on when I get too much tagged on the end. It can also be irritating when, say in a file list, an entry is spoken then spoken a second time with more details, presumably from the tooltip.

Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Giles Turnbull" <giles.turnbull@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, March 26, 2018 3:02 PM
Subject: [nvda] NVDA speech on Word 2016 ribbons


Hi all,

this is a question about Microsoft Word 2016 which I am using on a Win10 laptop with NVDA 2018.1

If I have no Word documents open and then open one, NVDA speaks every object (apologies if ‘object’ is the wrong word), such as when I press Alt and then arrow accross the ribbon it will say "Ribbon Toolbar" before speaking Home and again before speaking Insert and again before speaking Design and Layout etc.

When I enter the home ribbon and tab through the formatting options NVDA speaks the following:

Font grouping
Bold toggle button pressed Make your text bold. Alt, H, 1 Ctrl+B
Font tool bar
Italic button Ctrl+I; Alt, H, 2
Home grouping
Font grouping
Italic toggle button not pressed Italicize your text. Alt, H, 2 Ctrl+I
Font tool bar
Underline grouping Alt, H, 3
Home grouping
Font grouping
Underline split button collapsed Underline your text. Alt, H, 3
Font tool bar
Strikethrough button Alt, H, 4
Home grouping
Font grouping
Strikethrough toggle button not pressed Cross something out by drawing a line through it. Alt, H, 4
Font tool bar
Subscript button Ctrl+=; Alt, H, 5
Home grouping
Font grouping
Subscript toggle button not pressed Type very small letters just below the line of text. Alt, H, 5 Ctrl+=

If I re-start NVDA and tab through the same set of formatting options (without re-opening the Word doc) it is not as vocal, which I much prefer ... it now says:

Clear Formatting button Remove all formatting from the selection, leaving only the normal, unformatted text. Alt, H, E
Bold toggle button pressed Make your text bold. Alt, H, 1 Ctrl+B
Italic toggle button not pressed Italicize your text. Alt, H, 2 Ctrl+I
Underline split button collapsed Underline your text. Alt, H, 3
Strikethrough toggle button not pressed Cross something out by drawing a line through it. Alt, H, 4
Subscript toggle button not pressed Type very small letters just below the line of text. Alt, H, 5 Ctrl+=
Superscript toggle button not pressed Type very small letters just above the line of text. Alt, H, 6 Ctrl+Shift++

Can anyone explain why I experience this? I presume it's not something in the NVDA settings since otherwise re-starting NVDA presumably wouldn't have any effect. I'm happy with the “Make your text bold. Alt, H, 1 Ctrl+B” part, it's just the repetition of which ribbon or ribbon group I'm in that drives me nuts!

I'm using the speech viewer to record what NVDA is saying in both cases.

Thanks :)

Giles


Keyboard shortcuts for Libre Office writer

Tony Ballou
 

Hi,


Here are the keyboard shortcuts for Libre office writer. 


Tony



                        Keyboard shortcuts for Libre office writer

 

            Keyboard shortcut

Command

 

Control-a

 Select All

 

Control-b

Bold text

 

Control-c

Copies highlighted Text to the clipboard

Control-x

Cuts highlighted text to the clipboard

Control-v

 Pastes the highlighted text from the clipboard to the location that you specify

 

keep in mind that when the text is copied, it appears in both the original and the specified location. 

When the text is cut it appears in the specified location only

 

Control-Shift-v

Paste Special

pastes formatting, and formatted text from the clipboard

 

control-alt-shift-V

Pastes unformatted text from the clipboard 

 

  control-E

Centers text

 

Control f

Find text

 

Control            -g

Go To

 

control-H

Find and replace Text

 

Control-I

Italicize text

 

Control-J

Justify Text

 

Control-l

Left align text

 

Control-r

Right align text

 

Control-n

Creates a new blank Document

 

Control-o

Brings up the open file dialog box

 

Control-P

Brings up the Print Dialog box

               

Control-S

Saves the current open Document.  If it is a new one, the save as dialog box will open where you can give it a specific file name, save it with a specific file format extension such as .txt, .rtf, .doc, .docx, or in the case  of programs like open and libre office, .odt; and a specific location such as a folder on your hard drive, or external storage device.

   

 Control u

Underlines text

 

Control-y

 redoes your last action

 

control-z

 undoes your last action

 

Control-Shift-P

inserts superscript

 

Control-shift-b

Inserts subscript

 

Control-Enter

Page break

 

Navigation Keyboard shortcuts

 

left arrow

moves one character to the left

 

shift-left arrow

highlights the character to the left

  

Right arrow

moves one character to the right

Shift-right arrow

Highlights the character to the right

 

up arrow

moves up one line

 

Shift-up arrow

Highlights text in an upward direction

 

Down arrow

Moves down one line

 

Shift-down arrow

Highlights text in a downward direction

 

Control -left arrow

moves one word to the left

 

control-right arrow

moves one word to the right

 

Control-shift-left arrow

Highlights the word to the left

 

Control-Shift-right arrow

Highlights the word to the right

 

Control-up arrow

moves to the beginning of the previous paragraph

 

Control-shift-up arrow

 highlights the text to the beginning of the paragraph

Control-Down arrow

Moves to the end of the paragraph

 

Control-Shift-down arrow

Highlights the text to the end of the paragraph

 

Home

Moves to the beginning of the line

 shift-home

Highlights the text from the cursor position to the beginning of the line

 

 End

Moves  to the end of the line

Shift-end

Highlights the text from the cursor position to the end of the line

 

Control-home

moves the cursor to the beginning of the document

 

 

Control-End

Moves the cursor to the end of the document

 

Control-shift-home

Highlights the text from the cursor position to the beginning of the document

 

Control-shift-end

highlights the text from the cursor position to the end of the document

 

Page up

moves the cursor up one screen

(this is approximately 24 lines)

 

Page down

Moves the cursor down one screen

(This is approximately 24 lines)

 

Shift-page up

Highlights the text up by one screen

 

Shift-page down

Highlights the text down by one screen

 

Control-Backspace

Ce

 

Deletes the text to the beginning of the word

 

Control-delete

Deletes the text to the end of the word

 

Control-shift-backspace

deletes the text to the beginning of the sentence

 

Control-shift Delete

Deletes the text to the end of a sentence

 

 

 




keyboard shortcuts for open office writer

Tony Ballou
 

Hi,


Here are the keyboard shortcuts for open office writer. 


Tony


                        Keyboard shortcuts for open office writer

 

            Keyboard shortcut

Command

 

Control-a

 Select All

Control-b

Bold text

 

Control-c

Copies highlighted Text to the clipboard

Control-x

Cuts highlighted text to the clipboard

Control-v

 Pastes the highlighted text from the clipboard to the location that you specify

 

keep in mind that when the text is copied, it appears in both the original and the specified location. 

When the text is cut it appears in the specified location only

 

 control-E

Centers text

 

Control f

Find and replace Text

 

Control            -g

Go To

 

Italic

Control-I

 

Control-J

Justify Text

Control-l

Left align text

Control-r

Right align text

Control-n

Creates a new blank Document

Control-o

Brings up the open file dialog box

Control-P

Brings up the Print Dialog box

               

Control-S

Saves the current open Document.  If it is a new one, the save as dialog box will open where you can give it a specific file name, save it with a specific file format extension such as .txt, .rtf, .doc, .docx, or in the case  of programs like open and libre office, .odt; and a specific location such as a folder on your hard drive, or external storage device.

   

 Control u

Underlines text

 

Control-y

 redoes your last action

 

control-z

 undoes your last action

 

 


Re: email list for open office users

Tony Ballou
 

Hi Gang,


I've got the keyboard shortcuts for open and libre office writer coming up. They will be in separate posts that way there's no room for confusion. Will have the open and libre office calc shortcuts for you once I get back from working out. 


Tony



On 3/27/2018 2:13 AM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:

You're right. The list of shortcut keys for open office and libre office will be helpful for all of us.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ervin, Glenn
Sent: Monday, March 26, 2018 8:30 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] email list for open office users

 

That sort of thing is not a clutter to the list, it will help all.

I save such list messages for later reference.

Glenn

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tony Ballou
Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2018 10:47 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] email list for open office users

 

Hi Guys,

 

Let me dig them up and I'll make sure you get them. 

 

Tony

 

On 3/25/2018 6:47 PM, David Moore wrote:

I would really like those key commands as well Please!

I am very interested in using both and picking which one appeals to me more!

Thanks a lot, in advance.

David Moore

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2018 4:42 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] email list for open office users

 

Hi, Tony,

 

I'd love to have a list of the keyboard shortcuts for both open office and libre office. If you'd like, you can send them to me off list so we don't clutter up the list. My email address is knitqueen2007@....

 

Rosemarie

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tony Ballou
Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2018 12:20 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] email list for open office users

 

Hi Rosemarie, 

 

I've been messing around with both open and libre offices writers for about 1 year and a half or so, and found keyboard shortcut lists for both.  I also found the keyboard shortcuts for open office calc.  If you want I can send you those.  I'm not sure if there is an email list, for blind users of these programs though.  I haven't seen anything come across the boards about one. It would be interesting to know if such list are out there. 

 

Tony

On 3/23/2018 3:20 PM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:

Hi, everyone,

 

Is there an email list for open office users? I'd especially like to learn kelp and writer.

 

Thanks for your help in advance.

 

Rosemarie

 

 

 

 

 



Re: I take it there have been no improvements to the flawed espeak ng in 2017.4?

Rui Fontes
 

Hello!

You can find the installer on:
http://tiflotecnia.net/eloquence_sapi5_tiflo.exe

You have one or two weeks to try...

Best regards,

Rui Fontes
Tiflotecnia, Lda.


Às 02:25 de 27/03/2018, Ronald J Glaser escreveu:

Where can you find this addon, and how much is it?
On 3/26/2018 8:01 PM, Gene wrote:
I don't know what you will think of it but you can try the demo if you want to evaluate it.  As I recall, it runs for seven days.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Sharni-Lee Ward <mailto:sharni-lee.ward@hotmail.com>
*Sent:* Monday, March 26, 2018 6:03 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] I take it there have been no improvements to the flawed espeak ng in 2017.4?

I've tried other synths in the past, and know their issues from sometimes painful experience. Some of the Speech Platform voices cannot even pronounce the "n" in my name and mispronounce so many other things that it's honestly too frustrating to work with them at all. The Vocaliser voices I've tried are equally frustrating. If I somehow get them to say the word correctly, they don't stress the right syllables and I have no idea how to change that behaviour.


I may consider buying the legal Eloquence addon if it is as good as you say, but that will have to be at a time when my finances are not so tight.


On 27/03/2018 8:42 AM, Gene wrote:
You don’t know how the Eloquence synthesizer would work with the dictionary you already have.  Your generalization about other synthesizers is just that, a generalization.  You don't know if it applies to Eloquence.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Sharni-Lee Ward <mailto:sharni-lee.ward@hotmail.com>
*Sent:* Monday, March 26, 2018 3:30 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] I take it there have been no improvements to the flawed espeak ng in 2017.4?

I will add that one of my favourite features to work with in NVDA is the
Speech Dictionary. Espeak might have some issues out of the box, but it
is quite receptive to alternative pronunciations via the Speech
Dictionary, and I have made liberal use of it. Other synths are more
annoying to work with on that score.


On 27/03/2018 2:16 AM, Ervin, Glenn wrote:
I would never use the "human sounding" voices for using the
computer, however, for reading long articles, or a short book, I would not want to use something like Eloquence, or heaven's sake, not eSpeak.
The human-sounding voices are good for strictly listening, where
there is little or no keyboard input.
Glenn


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Rob Hudson
Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2018 1:12 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] I take it there have been no improvements to
the flawed espeak ng in 2017.4?

Lino Morales <linomorales001@gmail.com
<mailto:linomorales001@gmail.com>> wrote:
This is what talking books are for. Regardless of what synth I
use. You realize bla hearing a book ready by a speech synth would be? Boring. It would put me to sleep.

But not all books are made into audio books. In fact, the vast
majority are not. And if you're into online fiction, synth reading is the only game in town.







--
a friend like You
Makes The Day Go Right!


Re: microsoft turn round on skype

Lenron
 

To the people that shared skype full classic yall are awesome

On 3/27/18, Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@gmail.com> wrote:
you need to select tablet tab and you can get classic skype from there.

or

https://get.skype.com/go/getskype-windows

I was able to get the full setup today, it appears the stub is available
here for it.




On 27/03/2018 2:07 p.m., Lino Morales wrote:
Well the new version of Skype Classic is not available on the site. It
took me to the 8.1 download page. So don’t get too comfortable Seany boy.
Lino Morales

From: Shaun Everiss<mailto:sm.everiss@gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, March 26, 2018 9:03 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: [nvda] microsoft turn round on skype

Hi all.

Today I recieved a skype update.

I was surprised I thought ms had abandond skype 7.

But no, aparently not.

If you download skype select the tablet tab and you can get classic
skype.

I updated from skype itself, and I still had skype classic.

What this means, is interesting in itself.

We can choose classic again, I do wander if people complained to ms a
lot and they finally saw reason.

For me it means at least for the short term till ms decides to plonk
skype classic yet again I can continue to work with skype classic on
win7 and maybe on 10.

I am not apposed to updating skype, but skype7 is accessible, and I have
been using it for ages.

Bar the occasional calls and such there are a lot of things skype 8 and
uaps are missing.

Maybe its the big improvement ms is making with skype, and maybe they
realise they are not there yet.

Fact is, skype just got an update dispite what they said about an
insecure installer.

That for me at least for now means progress.

Eventually I will probably get a smartphone maybe an ios device, the
fact is I will have loads of uses for other forms of communication.

If skype gets to rubbish, I may simply close down skype entirely.

My ms account's main focus is mainly for knfb reader but to be hones bar
the apps I purchaced there is little keeping me and microsoft online
friends at all.

It used to be music, music, apps, skype.

Now its just some apps and with the apps being well who knows, and no
music, there is just 1 app I brought, and skype.

Hardly any of my contacts talk on skype with me anymore bar the nvda dev
group, and if it gets to hairy I will get rid of that group, there were
also test groups about to for different things but I will now try to
find nonskype things to do the tests with.








--
Lenron Brown
Cell: 985-271-2832
Skype: ron.brown762


Re: FW: [win10] Windows 10 1803 presentation: recording available

anthony borg
 

Oh, I’m so sorry about that, ididn’t noticed it I’m afraid.

Thanks that you withdrew my attension.

Regards

Anthony

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: 27 March 2018 07:04
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] FW: [win10] Windows 10 1803 presentation: recording available

 

He already sent the link that was in the message he forward from the win 10 list.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of anthony borg
Sent: Monday, March 26, 2018 9:48 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] FW: [win10] Windows 10 1803 presentation: recording available

 

Hi joseph

Can you please send us the link from where I can download the recording?

Thanks in advance for your help

Anthony  

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: 27 March 2018 04:11
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] FW: [win10] Windows 10 1803 presentation: recording available

 

Hi,

If you are curious as to what Windows 10 Spring Creators Update (Version 1803) sounds like, here is your chance. Enjoy the presentation recording.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: win10@win10.groups.io <win10@win10.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Monday, March 26, 2018 7:10 PM
To: win10@win10.groups.io
Subject: [win10] Windows 10 1803 presentation: recording available

 

Hi all,

 

The recording from today’s Accessible World Tek Talk presentation is now up:

http://www.josephsl.net/files/winten1803.mp3

 

Presentation outline:

  • Introduction: what Windows 10 have been up to.
  • Past: Emoji panel, dictation everywhere, cloud-powered image recognition in Narrator.
  • Present (1803): Focus Assist, Timeline, Ease of Access changes, multi-instance universal apps, built-in OpenSSH client/server, run apps in admin mode from Run dialog.
  • Future (Redstone 5): Sets/app tabs.

I’d like to thank those present, including at least two Microsoft staff.

 

Enjoy the presentation (and spread far and wide).

Cheers,

Joseph


windows insider question

Afik Suffir <afik.sofir@...>
 

 

ב"ה

Hi

 

I have a question about windows insider program. I;ve registered to the program, and linked my skype account, as known as my Microsoft account, restarted my pc, and there are no updates at all. I;ve chose in the combo box, just send me early updates.

 

Any help will be appreciated.

Afik Suffir.

 


Re: I take it there have been no improvements to the flawed espeak ng in 2017.4?

 

I know people that can run speech as fast as it would go, 300-600 wpm.

But I was never able to do that, when in university, I ran at 200-300wpm at a stretch.

Once out of university I dropped back to 120, simply put yes I could get the gist but I could never understand things at that speed.

As an admin and support person I need to understand what the heck my speech is saying.

Testing websites and stuff will give me inaccessible things, broken things and really bad things, running fast will not get me anywhere.

On 27/03/2018 7:29 p.m., Sharni-Lee Ward wrote:
Well, it's a good thing the only career I intend on having is that of a fantasy writer, then, isn't it? :D

On 27/03/2018 5:05 PM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
If you had a job that involved listening like a customer service rep, you'd have no choice but to get used to listening to your screen reader at a faster speed.



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sharni-Lee Ward
Sent: Monday, March 26, 2018 1:19 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] I take it there have been no improvements to the flawed espeak ng in 2017.4?


I'll admit I've not heard Eloquence outside of Jaws and the addon I was sent some years back. I didn't know the version in Jaws was different to Eloquence on its own. The one in the addon I have doesn't pause very long between sentences. Also, I just do not like to speed up my synth too much. I still think of how some of you can listen to something at the highest rate possible and understand it. I've tried increasing it a little, but it's just not enjoyable for me.



That said, I'm now very used to Espeak, and it may not be an improvement over Eloquence in the opinion of some, but it was definitely an improvement over Microsoft Anna, which was what I had been stuck with via Narrator until I discovered NVDA. Espeak is the voice of NVDA to me now, and other synths fall short in many ways.

On 26/03/2018 7:20 PM, Gene wrote:
You wrote:
I don't like Eloquence because it isn't as crisp as Espeak. I have compared
it to A.M radio in the past, and Espeak to FM/CD Quality sound.

That is a very inaccurate comparison. E-Speak has more high end in the s sounds and the voice may have a little more high end but hardly comparable to FM radio or CD quality sound. and why is the difference of perhaps two thousand or three thousand KHZ, by my estimate, from, let's say, around 7000KHZ in Eloquence to about nine hundred or one thousand KHZ in E-Speak of any real importance? I would imagine you talk on the phone without worrying about such things.

Eloquence has much better understandability of speech at higher speeds, and pronounces a lot more words correctly.

Also, I don't know if you are talking about Eloquence as modified by the producers of JAWS or Eloquence, as it is unmodified. The JAWS designers customized it. If you are saying it isn't crisp because you are thinking of JAWS Eloquence, that's not an accurate representation of what unmodified Eloquence sounds like. Also, the JAWS modifiers took out pauses at periods. That seriously degrades reading, that the modified version doesn't pause at periods.

You may be pleasantly surprised if you try the demo of the HTML version. If you haven't heard unmodified Eloquence, you don't know what it really sounds like.

Gene



Re: I take it there have been no improvements to the flawed espeak ng in 2017.4?

Sharni-Lee Ward
 

Well, it's a good thing the only career I intend on having is that of a fantasy writer, then, isn't it? :D


On 27/03/2018 5:05 PM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:

If you had a job that involved listening like a customer service rep, you'd have no choice but to get used to listening to your screen reader at a faster speed.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sharni-Lee Ward
Sent: Monday, March 26, 2018 1:19 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] I take it there have been no improvements to the flawed espeak ng in 2017.4?

 

I'll admit I've not heard Eloquence outside of Jaws and the addon I was sent some years back. I didn't know the version in Jaws was different to Eloquence on its own. The one in the addon I have doesn't pause very long between sentences. Also, I just do not like to speed up my synth too much. I still think of how some of you can listen to something at the highest rate possible and understand it. I've tried increasing it a little, but it's just not enjoyable for me.

 

That said, I'm now very used to Espeak, and it may not be an improvement over Eloquence in the opinion of some, but it was definitely an improvement over Microsoft Anna, which was what I had been stuck with via Narrator until I discovered NVDA. Espeak is the voice of NVDA to me now, and other synths fall short in many ways.

 

On 26/03/2018 7:20 PM, Gene wrote:

You wrote:

I don't like Eloquence because it isn't as crisp as Espeak. I have compared
it to A.M radio in the past, and Espeak to FM/CD Quality sound.

 

That is a very inaccurate comparison.  E-Speak has more high end in the s sounds and the voice may have a little more high end but hardly comparable to FM radio or CD quality sound.  and why is the difference of perhaps two thousand or three thousand KHZ, by my estimate, from, let's say, around 7000KHZ in Eloquence to about nine hundred or one thousand KHZ in E-Speak of any real importance?  I would imagine you talk on the phone without worrying about such things. 

 

Eloquence has much better understandability of speech at higher speeds, and pronounces a lot more words correctly. 

 

Also, I don't know if you are talking about Eloquence as modified by the producers of JAWS or Eloquence, as it is unmodified.  The JAWS designers customized it.  If you are saying it isn't crisp because you are thinking of JAWS Eloquence, that's not an accurate representation of what unmodified Eloquence sounds like. Also, the JAWS modifiers took out pauses at periods.  That seriously degrades reading, that the modified version doesn't pause at periods. 

 

You may be pleasantly surprised if you try the demo of the HTML version.  If you haven't heard unmodified Eloquence, you don't know what it really sounds like. 

 

Gene

 



Re: I take it there have been no improvements to the flawed espeak ng in 2017.4?

Sharni-Lee Ward
 

...


If it's a Sapi5 thingy, I might not use it after all. Sapi stuff isn't compatible with adjustable inflection.


On 27/03/2018 12:53 PM, Gene wrote:
It isn't an add on.  it's a SAPI five version of Eloquence that will work with any program that supports SAPI5 speech.  I got the demo perhaps two or three years ago.  I don't remember where but someone will likely tell you.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, March 26, 2018 8:25 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] I take it there have been no improvements to the flawed espeak ng in 2017.4?

Where can you find this addon, and how much is it?



On 3/26/2018 8:01 PM, Gene wrote:
I don't know what you will think of it but you can try the demo if you want to evaluate it.  As I recall, it runs for seven days. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, March 26, 2018 6:03 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] I take it there have been no improvements to the flawed espeak ng in 2017.4?

I've tried other synths in the past, and know their issues from sometimes painful experience. Some of the Speech Platform voices cannot even pronounce the "n" in my name and mispronounce so many other things that it's honestly too frustrating to work with them at all. The Vocaliser voices I've tried are equally frustrating. If I somehow get them to say the word correctly, they don't stress the right syllables and I have no idea how to change that behaviour.


I may consider buying the legal Eloquence addon if it is as good as you say, but that will have to be at a time when my finances are not so tight.


On 27/03/2018 8:42 AM, Gene wrote:
You don’t know how the Eloquence synthesizer would work with the dictionary you already have.  Your generalization about other synthesizers is just that, a generalization.  You don't know if it applies to Eloquence.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, March 26, 2018 3:30 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] I take it there have been no improvements to the flawed espeak ng in 2017.4?

I will add that one of my favourite features to work with in NVDA is the
Speech Dictionary. Espeak might have some issues out of the box, but it
is quite receptive to alternative pronunciations via the Speech
Dictionary, and I have made liberal use of it. Other synths are more
annoying to work with on that score.


On 27/03/2018 2:16 AM, Ervin, Glenn wrote:
> I would never use the "human sounding" voices for using the computer, however, for reading long articles, or a short book, I would not want to use something like Eloquence, or heaven's sake, not eSpeak.
> The human-sounding voices are good for strictly listening, where there is little or no keyboard input.
> Glenn
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Rob Hudson
> Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2018 1:12 PM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] I take it there have been no improvements to the flawed espeak ng in 2017.4?
>
> Lino Morales <linomorales001@...> wrote:
>> This is what talking books are for. Regardless of what synth I use. You realize bla hearing a book ready by a speech synth would be? Boring. It would put me to sleep.
>
> But not all books are made into audio books. In fact, the vast majority are not. And if you're into online fiction, synth reading is the only game in town.
>
>
>
>
>
>






-- 
a friend like  You
Makes The Day Go Right!


Re: email list for open office users

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

You're right. The list of shortcut keys for open office and libre office will be helpful for all of us.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ervin, Glenn
Sent: Monday, March 26, 2018 8:30 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] email list for open office users

 

That sort of thing is not a clutter to the list, it will help all.

I save such list messages for later reference.

Glenn

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tony Ballou
Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2018 10:47 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] email list for open office users

 

Hi Guys,

 

Let me dig them up and I'll make sure you get them. 

 

Tony

 

On 3/25/2018 6:47 PM, David Moore wrote:

I would really like those key commands as well Please!

I am very interested in using both and picking which one appeals to me more!

Thanks a lot, in advance.

David Moore

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2018 4:42 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] email list for open office users

 

Hi, Tony,

 

I'd love to have a list of the keyboard shortcuts for both open office and libre office. If you'd like, you can send them to me off list so we don't clutter up the list. My email address is knitqueen2007@....

 

Rosemarie

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tony Ballou
Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2018 12:20 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] email list for open office users

 

Hi Rosemarie, 

 

I've been messing around with both open and libre offices writers for about 1 year and a half or so, and found keyboard shortcut lists for both.  I also found the keyboard shortcuts for open office calc.  If you want I can send you those.  I'm not sure if there is an email list, for blind users of these programs though.  I haven't seen anything come across the boards about one. It would be interesting to know if such list are out there. 

 

Tony

On 3/23/2018 3:20 PM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:

Hi, everyone,

 

Is there an email list for open office users? I'd especially like to learn kelp and writer.

 

Thanks for your help in advance.

 

Rosemarie

 

 

 

 

 


Re: I take it there have been no improvements to the flawed espeak ng in 2017.4?

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

If you had a job that involved listening like a customer service rep, you'd have no choice but to get used to listening to your screen reader at a faster speed.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sharni-Lee Ward
Sent: Monday, March 26, 2018 1:19 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] I take it there have been no improvements to the flawed espeak ng in 2017.4?

 

I'll admit I've not heard Eloquence outside of Jaws and the addon I was sent some years back. I didn't know the version in Jaws was different to Eloquence on its own. The one in the addon I have doesn't pause very long between sentences. Also, I just do not like to speed up my synth too much. I still think of how some of you can listen to something at the highest rate possible and understand it. I've tried increasing it a little, but it's just not enjoyable for me.

 

That said, I'm now very used to Espeak, and it may not be an improvement over Eloquence in the opinion of some, but it was definitely an improvement over Microsoft Anna, which was what I had been stuck with via Narrator until I discovered NVDA. Espeak is the voice of NVDA to me now, and other synths fall short in many ways.

 

On 26/03/2018 7:20 PM, Gene wrote:

You wrote:

I don't like Eloquence because it isn't as crisp as Espeak. I have compared
it to A.M radio in the past, and Espeak to FM/CD Quality sound.

 

That is a very inaccurate comparison.  E-Speak has more high end in the s sounds and the voice may have a little more high end but hardly comparable to FM radio or CD quality sound.  and why is the difference of perhaps two thousand or three thousand KHZ, by my estimate, from, let's say, around 7000KHZ in Eloquence to about nine hundred or one thousand KHZ in E-Speak of any real importance?  I would imagine you talk on the phone without worrying about such things. 

 

Eloquence has much better understandability of speech at higher speeds, and pronounces a lot more words correctly. 

 

Also, I don't know if you are talking about Eloquence as modified by the producers of JAWS or Eloquence, as it is unmodified.  The JAWS designers customized it.  If you are saying it isn't crisp because you are thinking of JAWS Eloquence, that's not an accurate representation of what unmodified Eloquence sounds like. Also, the JAWS modifiers took out pauses at periods.  That seriously degrades reading, that the modified version doesn't pause at periods. 

 

You may be pleasantly surprised if you try the demo of the HTML version.  If you haven't heard unmodified Eloquence, you don't know what it really sounds like. 

 

Gene

 


Re: I take it there have been no improvements to the flawed espeak ng in 2017.4?

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

I remember that old Apple 2 E and the speech on it was really funny! I got a good laugh out of the way it pronounced the word "friend". The guy sounded like a Southerner--hahahahahahahahaha. This guy/gal would have a blast reading with it--hahaha.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Lino Morales
Sent: Monday, March 26, 2018 1:25 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] I take it there have been no improvements to the flawed espeak ng in 2017.4?

 

Hey somebody buy this guy/chick a old Echo speech synth that was once used on the old Apple 2 E and 2 GS. He/she will have fun reading fan fic on that thing hehehehehehe!

 

Lino Morales

 

From: Sharni-Lee Ward
Sent: Monday, March 26, 2018 4:18 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] I take it there have been no improvements to the flawed espeak ng in 2017.4?

 

I'll admit I've not heard Eloquence outside of Jaws and the addon I was sent some years back. I didn't know the version in Jaws was different to Eloquence on its own. The one in the addon I have doesn't pause very long between sentences. Also, I just do not like to speed up my synth too much. I still think of how some of you can listen to something at the highest rate possible and understand it. I've tried increasing it a little, but it's just not enjoyable for me.

 

That said, I'm now very used to Espeak, and it may not be an improvement over Eloquence in the opinion of some, but it was definitely an improvement over Microsoft Anna, which was what I had been stuck with via Narrator until I discovered NVDA. Espeak is the voice of NVDA to me now, and other synths fall short in many ways.

 

On 26/03/2018 7:20 PM, Gene wrote:

You wrote:

I don't like Eloquence because it isn't as crisp as Espeak. I have compared
it to A.M radio in the past, and Espeak to FM/CD Quality sound.

 

That is a very inaccurate comparison.  E-Speak has more high end in the s sounds and the voice may have a little more high end but hardly comparable to FM radio or CD quality sound.  and why is the difference of perhaps two thousand or three thousand KHZ, by my estimate, from, let's say, around 7000KHZ in Eloquence to about nine hundred or one thousand KHZ in E-Speak of any real importance?  I would imagine you talk on the phone without worrying about such things. 

 

Eloquence has much better understandability of speech at higher speeds, and pronounces a lot more words correctly. 

 

Also, I don't know if you are talking about Eloquence as modified by the producers of JAWS or Eloquence, as it is unmodified.  The JAWS designers customized it.  If you are saying it isn't crisp because you are thinking of JAWS Eloquence, that's not an accurate representation of what unmodified Eloquence sounds like. Also, the JAWS modifiers took out pauses at periods.  That seriously degrades reading, that the modified version doesn't pause at periods. 

 

You may be pleasantly surprised if you try the demo of the HTML version.  If you haven't heard unmodified Eloquence, you don't know what it really sounds like. 

 

Gene

 

 


Re: FW: [win10] Windows 10 1803 presentation: recording available

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Hi, Joseph,

 

Wow, what a great presentation you did! I'm looking forward to the new spring creators update.

 

Rosemarie

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Monday, March 26, 2018 7:11 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] FW: [win10] Windows 10 1803 presentation: recording available

 

Hi,

If you are curious as to what Windows 10 Spring Creators Update (Version 1803) sounds like, here is your chance. Enjoy the presentation recording.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: win10@win10.groups.io <win10@win10.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Monday, March 26, 2018 7:10 PM
To: win10@win10.groups.io
Subject: [win10] Windows 10 1803 presentation: recording available

 

Hi all,

 

The recording from today’s Accessible World Tek Talk presentation is now up:

http://www.josephsl.net/files/winten1803.mp3

 

Presentation outline:

  • Introduction: what Windows 10 have been up to.
  • Past: Emoji panel, dictation everywhere, cloud-powered image recognition in Narrator.
  • Present (1803): Focus Assist, Timeline, Ease of Access changes, multi-instance universal apps, built-in OpenSSH client/server, run apps in admin mode from Run dialog.
  • Future (Redstone 5): Sets/app tabs.

I’d like to thank those present, including at least two Microsoft staff.

 

Enjoy the presentation (and spread far and wide).

Cheers,

Joseph