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答复: [nvda] Recommendations of Win10 + NVDA Apps and Settings?

rowen brian <manchen0528@...>
 

      

I think the default setting of Win10 is very easy to use.

 

发件人: Kevin Chao
发送时间: 20171217 1:20
收件人: nvda@nvda.groups.io
主题: [nvda] Recommendations of Win10 + NVDA Apps and Settings?

 

It's been  a while since i've used Win10 and  NVDA, so I wanted to tap the wisdom of this group.

 

In addition to setting the default browser, Cortona hotword/keyboard shortcuts, setting folder views to detailed view, adjusting for performance, etc.

 

For the best and most accessible experience with Win10 and NVDA, what are the  must get apps and must configure settings?

Thanks!!

 


Re: accessibility of other browsers for nvda users:

 

but its a reality and because of sanctions against iran,
adobe does not support persian very well and i never use it.

On 2/20/18, Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@gmail.com> wrote:
I agree, which is why I'm saying just use he software, you won't ir at least
should not get into trouble. And it would be less work for you to convert
everything into html anyway.

Take care

On Feb 20, 2018, at 11:08 AM, Pascal Lambert <rambeau68@gmail.com> wrote:

Please refrain from making political or religious statements. Otherwise,
this assistive technology forum will quickly turn into a forum for
polemics as I am sure there many who would disagree with you.
Pascal

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of zahra
Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2018 1:20 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] accessibility of other browsers for nvda users:

adobe reader version 11 supports xp.
but due to sanctions against iran,
there support for persian is no Good and i dont use the software that its
producer said:
the iranian should not download and use our product in any way.
i think i should forget pdf and found a solution for my word and html
files.
since libreoffice and openoffice also are not very accessible, i think
that i should convert all of my files to html and find one html editor!
do you know one html editor which is accessible?

On 2/20/18, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
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Yes but won't run on xp and I do not know if it does Persian language.
You would need adobe reader of an earlier time.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Shaun Everiss" <sm.everiss@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2018 2:11 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] accessibility of other browsers for nvda users:


Adobereader dc is free.




On 20/02/2018 4:29 a.m., zahra wrote:
adobe acrobat does not support persian very well, moreover, its not
free and for the sanctions against iran and reading license of
adobe, i realy dont trust this company!

On 2/19/18, Gene <gsasner@ripco.com> wrote:
I haven't tried those versions of Chrome, but why not ask if such
settings are available in Chrome? I don't know if they are or not
but they either may be or there may be another way to do what you
want in Chrome.
That's
true for Firefox as well. Also, I'm not sure what you want to do.
You appear to want to be able to save multimedia files without them
opening

in
Chrome or Firefox. As I said, there may be ways to do these things
you don't know about in both browsers even if there are no
settings. I can't discuss multimedia files in part because I'm not
sure just what kinds of files you are discussing and I may not have
tried to save those filetypes..
But in terms of files such as audio files like MP3s, in Firefox,
once the file starts to play in the browser, you can save it by
issuing the command control s, then using the save as dialog that
opens. I wouldn't be surprised if that is true in Chrome as well.

Please explain what you want to do in detail so people can address
it.

You may want to live in the technological past indefinitely but you
can't unless you want to be increasingly unable to do things you do
now and limited in things you may want to do in future.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: zahra
Sent: Monday, February 19, 2018 9:00 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] accessibility of other browsers for nvda users:


i did not say that chrome is not accessible, reading web pages and
for example gmail, is completely accessible and the quick
navigation keys are like firefox.
but its not very accessible for my need in customization and
changing settings!
in firefox is about:config
which has thousands of options and i could easily set firefox
according to my desire, i searched google and found hidden options
in chrome.
but could not find anything that wished to find!
about automatic openning multimedia files, its not just happen on
my system, even this feature is on by default and by the grace of
God, i could find it in about:config if i could not find this
option for my firefox, i kept firefox 25 forever without update!
because this problem happened since firefox 26 that does not allow
downloading multimedia files without changing settings in
about:config by the way, did you try chromium and slimjet which i
asked about them?

On 2/19/18, Gene <gsasner@ripco.com> wrote:
Please don't assume that because you can't do something, that it
can't

be
done and that, if you don't fully understand an unfamiliar
interface, that it is inaccessible or can't be worked with. As
far as updates are concerned, you can't avoid updates because
Chrome automatically updates.
But
that doesn't matter in your case. You use XP and Google Chrome,
the browser, hasn't been updated for XP for perhaps almost a year.
In addition, the settings, or almost all of them, I haven't
checked every one, are accessible, or at least can be worked with.
You have to do certain things to be able to work with some of them
such as manually turn off and on browse mode. The program isn't
as accessible as it should be but there is a difference between
accessibility and usability and a lot of programs are very usable,
even though not fully accessible. Chrome is largely accessible
and is very usable, though not completely everything is. But it's
usable enough so that almost everything desired can be done except
in the case of add ons which may not be accessible, but that's the
fault of the add on designer.

I'm going into all this mainly because your message may, if not
discussed, mslead others into believing Chrome is not usable and
is not reasonably accessible. I don't particularly like the
interface but the program is reasonably accessible and quite
usable.

As far as playing audio files, Chrome does play audio. I don't
know if it plays what you are trying to play. I don't know what
you are having problems with but please don't state things as
though they are facts based on only your experience with an
unfamiliar program. It's perfectly alright to say, I couldn't get
it to do this or that. That doesn't mean it can't be done.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: zahra
Sent: Monday, February 19, 2018 8:13 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] accessibility of other browsers for nvda users:


hello every one.
as my language is persian
and did not find and there is no one offline program for reading
pdf files in persian language except chrome, i decided to download
chrome.
i realy did not like it,
its less accessible than firefox in using settings.
i could not change it to not update automaticly, dont play audio
and video files which i want to download.
openning files after download etc.
so, i wished to try other browsers based on chrome like chromium
and slimjet.
did any of you test these browsers?
are they supported screen readers?
do they the problems that i mentioned for those, i dont like
chrome or not.
i appreciate any of your help, sincerely pray for you and God
bless you all!

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in the very authentic narration from prophet Mohammad is:
indeed, imam husayn is the beacon of guidance and the ark of
salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
www.al-islam.org


--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the entire creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration from prophet Mohammad is:
indeed, imam husayn is the beacon of guidance and the ark of
salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
www.al-islam.org








--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the entire creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration from prophet Mohammad is:
indeed, imam husayn is the beacon of guidance and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
www.al-islam.org









--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the entire creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration from prophet Mohammad is:
indeed, imam husayn is the beacon of guidance and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
www.al-islam.org


Re: Vocalizer Expressive sapi voices

 

Hmmph.

Its another step, I guess what I would have to do then is when a feature update came about, or was on the cards, I'd have to defur the update so it didn't happen so I'd have enough time to deactivate the licence, then reactivate everything once I was updated.

I'd have thought that there could be a way to back it all up, then put it back without doodling about, but maybe there is a way to do all that.

On 21/02/2018 1:10 p.m., Chris Shook wrote:
If you are talking about the Eloquence and Vocalizer expressive for NVDA, the only time you would need to deactivate it is when you had a major update. FOr example, the creators updates like from Windows 10 1703 to Windows 10 version 1709. Otherwise, you don't have to deactivate it.
So long as the computer ID doesn't change, you'll be fine.



Re: issue NVDA VS office 2007.

Mário Navarro
 

Hi.
Yes you're right.
I only have problems because installation was corrupted.
some uninstallations left behind ...

and I had some serious issues to uninstall office 2007.
the solution was the microsoft fixed.
God, my NVDA does not read anything in the system menus. just saying unknown!
now it's all fixed!
no more office on my pc...
I'm going to try an open source solution.
thank you.
cheers.


Às 23:52 de 20/02/2018, Chris Mullins escreveu:

Hi
I use Office 2007 and have no issues with NVDA and the ribbon menus.

Cheers
Chris

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mário Navarro
Sent: 20 February 2018 22:29
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] issue NVDA VS office 2007.



Hello.

issue with NVDA in microsoft office 2007.
Yes I know this is an old version of office for windows 10, but I don't want to get the 2016.
or any other version ...
the only issue with NVDA is he not read menus.
with jaws everything works normal.
any of you that are using the 2007 having this issue with NVDA 2017.4?
Thanks!
Cheers.

--
A acção pode nem sempre ser felicidade, mas não há felicidade sem acção...






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Re: Vocalizer Expressive sapi voices

Chris Shook <chris0309@...>
 

If you are talking about the Eloquence and Vocalizer expressive for NVDA, the only time you would need to deactivate it is when you had a major update. FOr example, the creators updates like from Windows 10 1703 to Windows 10 version 1709. Otherwise, you don't have to deactivate it.
So long as the computer ID doesn't change, you'll be fine.


Re: issue NVDA VS office 2007.

Chris Mullins
 

Hi
I use Office 2007 and have no issues with NVDA and the ribbon menus.

Cheers
Chris

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mário Navarro
Sent: 20 February 2018 22:29
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] issue NVDA VS office 2007.



Hello.

issue with NVDA in microsoft office 2007.
Yes I know this is an old version of office for windows 10, but I don't want to get the 2016.
or any other version ...
the only issue with NVDA is he not read menus.
with jaws everything works normal.
any of you that are using the 2007 having this issue with NVDA 2017.4?
Thanks!
Cheers.

--
A acção pode nem sempre ser felicidade, mas não há felicidade sem acção...


Re: issue with google chrome 64 update.

 

I don't notice it except when transfering things to slower flash sticks or things.

I must say my new quad workstation has some slowdowns but the older i3 gen1 pc struggles and so does a server of the same breed.

On 21/02/2018 12:18 p.m., Sarah k Alawami wrote:
Mine has an intel and I suffer no slow downs. But my processor might be just taking on all the work and I can't feel it with 6 gigs to work with. Lol! At least, not yet.

On Feb 20, 2018, at 12:58 PM, Andy <wq6r@socal.rr.com> wrote:

Thank God my PC has an AMD processor.

Andy

----- Original Message ----- From: "Shaun Everiss" <sm.everiss@gmail.com <mailto:sm.everiss@gmail.com>>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>>
Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2018 11:12 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] issue with google chrome 64 update.


It causes slowness in just about everything, because intel screwed up majorly we won't get any piece till we get new chips so if you want to stay with intel I'd wait a couple years till they release another chip.

For me its one reason I am moving to the competition, amd while it to has to contend with some of this is more resilient to most of this.




On 21/02/2018 7:22 a.m., zahra wrote:
hi brian.
the issue for slowness in firefox 52.6 i think its because of spectre
bug fixed in this version.
i read in some websites that the patches for fixing spectre bug,
causes slowness in previous windows and older hardwares.

On 2/20/18, Mário Navarro <mario.gnv@gmail.com> wrote:
hi Quentin.

Yes I'm using Chrome Version 64.0.3282.167 (Official Build) (64-bit)
(Chrome says it's up to date), and with NVDA 2017.4 and I still can't
use these commands.
I have no idea what could be going on ...
no updates, only google chrome.
no Chrome extensions that might be playing funny

thank you friend.
cheers.


Às 23:30 de 19/02/2018, Quentin Christensen escreveu:
Which version of NVDA are you using?

I just tried with Chrome Version 64.0.3282.167 (Official Build)
(64-bit) (Chrome says it's up to date), and with NVDA 2017.4 and also
the latest Next snapshot and I can press alt+left and alt+right arrows
to move between pages. Possibly something else is interfering with
the keystroke?

If you've updated anything lately, maybe restart it, and even the
machine (you posted this three days ago so you possibly have since
then anyway). Otherwise, are you using any Chrome extensions that
might be playing funny?

Regards

Quentin.

On Sat, Feb 17, 2018 at 11:53 PM, Mário Navarro <mario.gnv@gmail.com
<mailto:mario.gnv@gmail.com>> wrote:

Hello.


for those who have updated google chrome for the 64 version.
When you enter a link on a website, and to go back with alt left
arrow chrome doesn't obey this command.
back and forward.
I don't know if it's a problem of NVDA cannot seem to update the
information, or if it is a bug of accessibility in chrome.
someone's come across this?
some tips?
thank you.
cheers.

--
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acção...







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Training and Support Manager

Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification now available:
http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

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Re: Vocalizer Expressive sapi voices

 

Hmmm I do wander what you do when windows 10 updates so often to the latest feature update, do you have to deactivate the product first?

But yeah I am seriously thinking of this to 60 bucks is better than the acapella ones and I have been using scansoft for ages and ages now.

On 21/02/2018 11:02 a.m., Chris Shook wrote:
Hi,
I recently found out CodeFactory is selling a package containing Vocalizer expressive sapi voices that will work with any screen reader.
I am using it right now and have tested it with both Narrator and NVDA. So far, everything is working great.
I especially like the User dictionary.
Unlike the Vocalizer expressive and eloquence for NVDA, from what I've read, you can supposedly transfer your license from your old computer to a new one if it updates.
If any of you are interested, ATGuys is the one selling the product. It's 115 dollars, but keep in mind, it does allow you to use the voices with any screen reader. When you compare it to the Sapi voices for Acapela that cost 299 dollars, it's a pretty good deal.
Chris



Re: a problem reading a pdf file

JM Casey <crystallogic@...>
 

It sounds like perhaps the orientation is set wrong for that particular document. I have seen this happen before and I think switching manually to landscape fixed the problem. But it was years ago and I don't think I can replicate this, now. I had Adobe Reader then, an old version, and looking through various options in Acrobat quickly, now, I cannot figure out exactly how to do this, so I see through google that there are some threads about it. I don't know, if any case, if this really is the problem. But you could try experimenting with it....

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sarah k Alawami
Sent: February 20, 2018 6:13 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] a problem reading a pdf file

I've seen this before and it drives me nuts. I have not tried this as of yet but what happens when you maximize the window? I just deal with it as I do very very little reading on my windows machine.

On Feb 20, 2018, at 1:18 PM, enes sarıbaş <enes.saribas@gmail.com> wrote:

hi,

I have this problem in nvda with this pdf, but have experienced it on other files. Nvda, for some wierd reason, startsspliting words into lines in parts of the document. For instance, the word the is split as follows.

th

e

This occurs with large paragraphs of text. However, when selecting those so called lines, and pasting into word, they read just fine. Also, spelling with the left and right arrow spell fine. How do I fix this?




Re: issue with google chrome 64 update.

Sarah k Alawami
 

Mine has an intel and I suffer no slow downs. But my processor might be just taking on all the work and I can't feel it with 6 gigs to work with. Lol! At least, not yet.

On Feb 20, 2018, at 12:58 PM, Andy <wq6r@...> wrote:

Thank God my PC has an AMD processor.

Andy

----- Original Message ----- From: "Shaun Everiss" <sm.everiss@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2018 11:12 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] issue with google chrome 64 update.


It causes slowness in just about everything, because intel screwed up majorly we won't get any piece till we get new chips so if you want to stay with intel I'd wait a couple years till they release another chip.

For me its one reason I am moving to the competition, amd while it to has to contend with some of this is more resilient to most of this.




On 21/02/2018 7:22 a.m., zahra wrote:
hi brian.
the issue for slowness in firefox 52.6 i think its because of spectre
bug fixed in this version.
i read in some websites that the patches for fixing spectre bug,
causes slowness in previous windows and older hardwares.

On 2/20/18, Mário Navarro <mario.gnv@...> wrote:

hi Quentin.

Yes I'm using Chrome Version 64.0.3282.167 (Official Build) (64-bit)
(Chrome says it's up to date), and with NVDA 2017.4 and I still can't
use these commands.
I have no idea what could be going on ...
no updates, only google chrome.
no Chrome extensions that might be playing funny

thank you friend.
cheers.


Às 23:30 de 19/02/2018, Quentin Christensen escreveu:
Which version of NVDA are you using?

I just tried with Chrome Version 64.0.3282.167 (Official Build)
(64-bit) (Chrome says it's up to date), and with NVDA 2017.4 and also
the latest Next snapshot and I can press alt+left and alt+right arrows
to move between pages. Possibly something else is interfering with
the keystroke?

If you've updated anything lately, maybe restart it, and even the
machine (you posted this three days ago so you possibly have since
then anyway). Otherwise, are you using any Chrome extensions that
might be playing funny?

Regards

Quentin.

On Sat, Feb 17, 2018 at 11:53 PM, Mário Navarro <mario.gnv@...
<mailto:mario.gnv@...>> wrote:

    Hello.


    for those who have updated google chrome for the 64 version.
    When you enter a link on a website, and to go back with alt left
    arrow chrome doesn't obey this command.
    back and forward.
    I don't know if it's a problem of NVDA cannot seem to update the
    information, or if it is a bug of accessibility in chrome.
    someone's come across this?
    some tips?
    thank you.
    cheers.

    --
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    acção...







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Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification now available:
http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

www.nvaccess.org <http://www.nvaccess.org/>
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
Twitter: @NVAccess

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Re: a problem reading a pdf file

Sarah k Alawami
 

I've seen this before and it drives me nuts. I have not tried this as of yet but what happens when you maximize the window? I just deal with it as I do very very little reading on my windows machine.

On Feb 20, 2018, at 1:18 PM, enes sarıbaş <enes.saribas@gmail.com> wrote:

hi,

I have this problem in nvda with this pdf, but have experienced it on other files. Nvda, for some wierd reason, startsspliting words into lines in parts of the document. For instance, the word the is split as follows.

th

e

This occurs with large paragraphs of text. However, when selecting those so called lines, and pasting into word, they read just fine. Also, spelling with the left and right arrow spell fine. How do I fix this?




issue NVDA VS office 2007.

Mário Navarro
 

Hello.

issue with NVDA in microsoft office 2007.
Yes I know this is an old version of office for windows 10, but I don't want to get the 2016.
or any other version ...
the only issue with NVDA is he not read menus.
with jaws everything works normal.
any of you that are using the 2007 having this issue with NVDA 2017.4?
Thanks!
Cheers.

--
A acção pode nem sempre ser felicidade, mas não há felicidade sem acção...


Re: OEClassic gets an update fixing more accessibility issues

Stephen
 

www.oeclassic.com

At 08:03 AM 2/21/2018, you wrote:
where do we find OE classic?



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-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brice
Mijares
Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2018 7:17 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] OEClassic gets an update fixing more accessibility
issues

Okay, thanks for the clarification.

On 2/20/2018 5:44 AM, Gene wrote:
This is a different program.?? It's OE Classic.?? You are talking
about the original Outlook express.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Brice Mijares <mailto:bricemijares@att.net>
*Sent:* Tuesday, February 20, 2018 7:39 AM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] OEClassic gets an update fixing more
accessibility issues

Didn't I hear when windows 10 has a major update it removes OE?

On 2/20/2018 5:05 AM, Robert Kingett wrote:
> I did some web crawling. The pro version has identities, so not
sure if > that is something you want, but I would comb through all of
their news > section <https://www.oeclassic.com/news>; to see what
features have been > added. The free version is on 27 now. 28, the
more accessible version, > will be free when the pro version shoots
up to 29. I can wait. No big > deal for me, but I think it is a one
time payment? And you get upgrades > for life? I'll have to look at the
website again though.
>






Re: Vocalizer Expressive sapi voices

Chris Shook <chris0309@...>
 

Hi,
I recently found out CodeFactory is selling a package containing Vocalizer expressive sapi voices that will work with any screen reader.
I am using it right now and have tested it with both Narrator and NVDA. So far, everything is working great.
I especially like the User dictionary.
Unlike the Vocalizer expressive and eloquence for NVDA, from what I've read, you can supposedly transfer your license from your old computer to a new one if it updates.
If any of you are interested, ATGuys is the one selling the product. It's 115 dollars, but keep in mind, it does allow you to use the voices with any screen reader. When you compare it to the Sapi voices for Acapela that cost 299 dollars, it's a pretty good deal.
Chris


a problem reading a pdf file

enes sarıbaş
 

hi,

I have this problem in nvda with this pdf, but have experienced it on other files. Nvda, for some wierd reason, startsspliting words into lines in parts of the document. For instance, the word the is split as follows.

th

e

This occurs with large paragraphs of text. However, when selecting those so called lines, and pasting into word, they read just fine. Also, spelling with the left and right arrow spell fine. How do I fix this?


Re: OEClassic gets an update fixing more accessibility issues

Karim Lakhani <karim.lakhani@...>
 

where do we find OE classic?



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can control is your character.
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-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brice
Mijares
Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2018 7:17 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] OEClassic gets an update fixing more accessibility
issues

Okay, thanks for the clarification.

On 2/20/2018 5:44 AM, Gene wrote:
This is a different program.?? It's OE Classic.?? You are talking
about the original Outlook express.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Brice Mijares <mailto:bricemijares@att.net>
*Sent:* Tuesday, February 20, 2018 7:39 AM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] OEClassic gets an update fixing more
accessibility issues

Didn't I hear when windows 10 has a major update it removes OE?

On 2/20/2018 5:05 AM, Robert Kingett wrote:
> I did some web crawling. The pro version has identities, so not
sure if > that is something you want, but I would comb through all of
their news > section <https://www.oeclassic.com/news>; to see what
features have been > added. The free version is on 27 now. 28, the
more accessible version, > will be free when the pro version shoots
up to 29. I can wait. No big > deal for me, but I think it is a one
time payment? And you get upgrades > for life? I'll have to look at the
website again though.
>



Re: issue with google chrome 64 update.

Andy
 

Thank God my PC has an AMD processor.

Andy

----- Original Message -----
From: "Shaun Everiss" <sm.everiss@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2018 11:12 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] issue with google chrome 64 update.


It causes slowness in just about everything, because intel screwed up majorly we won't get any piece till we get new chips so if you want to stay with intel I'd wait a couple years till they release another chip.

For me its one reason I am moving to the competition, amd while it to has to contend with some of this is more resilient to most of this.




On 21/02/2018 7:22 a.m., zahra wrote:
hi brian.
the issue for slowness in firefox 52.6 i think its because of spectre
bug fixed in this version.
i read in some websites that the patches for fixing spectre bug,
causes slowness in previous windows and older hardwares.

On 2/20/18, Mário Navarro <mario.gnv@gmail.com> wrote:

hi Quentin.

Yes I'm using Chrome Version 64.0.3282.167 (Official Build) (64-bit)
(Chrome says it's up to date), and with NVDA 2017.4 and I still can't
use these commands.
I have no idea what could be going on ...
no updates, only google chrome.
no Chrome extensions that might be playing funny

thank you friend.
cheers.


Às 23:30 de 19/02/2018, Quentin Christensen escreveu:
Which version of NVDA are you using?

I just tried with Chrome Version 64.0.3282.167 (Official Build)
(64-bit) (Chrome says it's up to date), and with NVDA 2017.4 and also
the latest Next snapshot and I can press alt+left and alt+right arrows
to move between pages. Possibly something else is interfering with
the keystroke?

If you've updated anything lately, maybe restart it, and even the
machine (you posted this three days ago so you possibly have since
then anyway). Otherwise, are you using any Chrome extensions that
might be playing funny?

Regards

Quentin.

On Sat, Feb 17, 2018 at 11:53 PM, Mário Navarro <mario.gnv@gmail.com
<mailto:mario.gnv@gmail.com>> wrote:

Hello.


for those who have updated google chrome for the 64 version.
When you enter a link on a website, and to go back with alt left
arrow chrome doesn't obey this command.
back and forward.
I don't know if it's a problem of NVDA cannot seem to update the
information, or if it is a bug of accessibility in chrome.
someone's come across this?
some tips?
thank you.
cheers.

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Re: Adjusting Microsoft voices (was RE: [nvda] Giving up on CodeFactory voices in NVDA)

JM Casey <crystallogic@...>
 

Hey.

I don't mind adjusting an ini file, so long as MS doesn't keep mucking with it when there's an update. But yes, being able to put it in one's user data location would certainly be nice. And I do not know if this can be done at all. Anyone?

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Cohn, Jonathan
Sent: February 20, 2018 10:25 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: Adjusting Microsoft voices (was RE: [nvda] Giving up on CodeFactory voices in NVDA)

Is there perhaps a user specific location to place this ini file? Certainly in other OS there are both global and user specific setings files.

Also sure would be nice if there was a settings panel for adjusting these rather than the ini file.

Best Wishes,

Jonathan Cohn
gs panel for adjusting these rather than the ini file.

Best Wishes,

Jonathan Cohn


On 2/19/18, 4:17 PM, "nvda@nvda.groups.io on behalf of JM Casey" <nvda@nvda.groups.io on behalf of crystallogic@ca.inter.net> wrote:

Hi Melissa.

Yes, you can use notepad to edit the file. It's not enough to run notepad as administrator, though, assuming you are using Windows 10 at least. You will have to grant yourself permission to change the file by taking ownership of it using the attributes in the properties dialog. To be honest, I don't 100% understand how ownership rites in Windows 10 function. I got it to work, but it took quite a bit of experimenting, which is the reason I was particularly annoyed by Microsoft changing it back again. Essentially, you want to grant yourself "full control" of this particular file, which means you have permission to edit it.

Where exactly the file is depends on what you are using....whether you are using an older SAPI voice or the newer Core1 voices? Each voice has its own ini. The file I edited was at this path location:
C:\Windows\Speech_OneCore\Engines\TTS\en-US
And as it's the David voice I've been using, the name is:
M1033David.INI


The lines you are looking ror are these two:
IntonationPhraseBoundary=
SentenceBoundary=

I do not remember what the original values were at the moment, but I believe it's in milliseconds or something. I altered the sentence boundary to 350 and that seems a lot better to me, though you may prefer less of a pause. Play around and see what you get and what you like.

If you get stuck with the file attributes thing, there are resources on the internet that can help you. Someone else on the list may understand this better than I do. It's one of those things which I thought I was familiar with, but trying to edit a Windows ini file showed me that in fact I'm still unclear on how this totally works. Still, at least I got it to do what I wanted it to.



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Melissa Jean
Sent: February 19, 2018 3:44 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Giving up on CodeFactory voices in NVDA

This licensing process is one reason I haven't made this purchase. I'd love to be able to have something easy to work and not to worry about if it will stop working or not after I made some update.

I'd be interested in using David--the pauses are what turn me off from doing so though. I thought I remembered hearing updating the ini file before, but can't find the email though I saved it.

What is the file? Where is it found? Where is the line found to edit this?Can one use notepad to edit the file?
Sorry for the barrage of questions.

Thank you
On 2/19/18, JM Casey <crystallogic@ca.inter.net> wrote:
> I use David and I'm ok with him. Only thing is, I at least absolutely
> have to adjust the ini file that dictates how long he pauses between
> sentences, or even comma clauses. A two second wait after a period is
> completely intolerable from a speech synthesiser. Still, at least you can adjust it.
> Only, Microsoft, when doing Windows updates, has altered it back to
> original setting at least three times now, and I've had to change it
> back.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
> Rosemarie Chavarria
> Sent: February 19, 2018 12:14 PM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Giving up on CodeFactory voices in NVDA
>
> Hi, David,
>
> Microsoft David's pretty good. I like the Mark voice too.
>
> Rosemarie
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
> James Robinson
> Sent: Monday, February 19, 2018 9:06 AM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Cc: blindtech@groups.io; win10@groups.io
> Subject: [nvda] Giving up on CodeFactory voices in NVDA
>
> Hello!
>
> You know, I have had it with this CodeFactory thing of deactivating
> constantly. I checked out one of the Microsoft voices they have in
> NVDA and this voice is not too bad; it is not as clear as Eloquence or
> the Vocalizer Expressive voices, but it is a little better than the
> standard NVDA voice in my opinion. I think CodeFactory could make
> this program permanent with NVDA as it is with other screen readers.
> They end up making the program far too much trouble to use in NVDA
> than it is worth. I'll just eat the cost because I don't expect them
> to do anything about the crazy requirements for using the voices.
> I'll thkink twice before I purchase such software in the future.
>
> Can we use any other Microsoft voices that windows offers? If so, how
> do we do it?
>
> James Robinson
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>


Re: qbittorrent was Re: [nvda] usable torrent client recommendations?

JM Casey <crystallogic@...>
 

Yes, that's correct.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of erik burggraaf
Sent: February 20, 2018 1:11 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: qbittorrent was Re: [nvda] usable torrent client recommendations?

This directive is for utorrent, not for qbittorrent.

Best,

Erik


On February 19, 2018 5:38:29 PM "JM Casey" <crystallogic@ca.inter.net> wrote:

There was a message from John Isige explaining this. He pointed me me to this url. Go here and follow the instructions. You will have to alter both the flags in the normal "advanced settigns" dialog as well as the hidden one, which you may have to get creative to get to. It requires a simultaneous mouse click and the pressing of shift-f2 on the keyboard.
There is no other way to do it.
http://bitsnapper.com/disable-ads-from-utorrent/


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of The Wolf
Sent: February 19, 2018 5:18 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: qbittorrent was Re: [nvda] usable torrent client recommendations?

can I get the list of flags to set?



On 2/19/2018 2:39 PM, JM Casey wrote:
I just use a private tracker. No google searches here.

Anyway, by all means this thread can continue, but I got Utorrent
working to my satisfaction, thanks to the suggestion about altering a
whole bunch of flags, hidden deep within the settings.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
Sent: February 19, 2018 4:38 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: qbittorrent was Re: [nvda] usable torrent client recommendations?

You need to be very careful of torrent software it can intervene in
searches by using something called conduit, which as the name suggests
adds commercial content to any search you do anywhere. You need to
check for this or similar with malware programs.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "erik burggraaf" <erik@erik-burggraaf.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, February 19, 2018 5:24 PM
Subject: qbittorrent was Re: [nvda] usable torrent client recommendations?


I just installed qbittorrent. Unfortunately, I didn't keep the email
about how to make the transfer treeview accessible. I googled it,
but only got a page full of sponsored content and forum posts about
nvidia stuff. Google seems to be less now than it once was. IE,
NVDA and NVidia are not the same thing, sighs.

I can use object navigation to see what's in the tree, but given
hundreds of torrents, looking at each piece of info individually for
each one is possibly not the most efficient way.

Thanks.

Erik


On February 19, 2018 5:47:43 AM "Simone Dal Maso"
<simone.dalmaso@gmail.com> wrote:

Hello,
I use qBitTorrent.
The problem is landing in the download area to check what is
happening, but it is free without ads and after having configured it
one time it works.



Il 16/02/2018 22:55, JM Casey ha scritto:
Hello everyone.

I have been using Utorrent, or Mu-torrent, as it is sometimes
called. I ended up with some build of 3.5 on this Windows 10
machine. It is not totally unusable, but the ads have a tendency to
get stuck and crash the program. It also causes firefox to crash on
a semi-regular basis. I was even willing to “upgrade to pro”, to get
rid of the ads, but clicking on the link takes me to some silly
games page, and while I’m sure it’s possible to get to the correct
page from there, I got this inexplicable impression that the
developers did not actually want me to upgrade the software at all,
since they make the path so cryptic. In short, I think I would feel
more comfortable with a different client altogether. Of course, I am
looking for one that is very configurable and which plays nice with NVDA.
Have you fine folks any suggestions? Thanks in advance.













Re: accessibility of other browsers for nvda users:

Sarah k Alawami
 

I agree, which is why I'm saying just use he software, you won't ir at least should not get into trouble. And it would be less work for you to convert everything into html anyway.

Take care

On Feb 20, 2018, at 11:08 AM, Pascal Lambert <rambeau68@gmail.com> wrote:

Please refrain from making political or religious statements. Otherwise, this assistive technology forum will quickly turn into a forum for polemics as I am sure there many who would disagree with you.
Pascal

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of zahra
Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2018 1:20 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] accessibility of other browsers for nvda users:

adobe reader version 11 supports xp.
but due to sanctions against iran,
there support for persian is no Good and i dont use the software that its producer said:
the iranian should not download and use our product in any way.
i think i should forget pdf and found a solution for my word and html files.
since libreoffice and openoffice also are not very accessible, i think that i should convert all of my files to html and find one html editor!
do you know one html editor which is accessible?

On 2/20/18, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io <bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io> wrote:
Yes but won't run on xp and I do not know if it does Persian language.
You would need adobe reader of an earlier time.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Shaun Everiss" <sm.everiss@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2018 2:11 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] accessibility of other browsers for nvda users:


Adobereader dc is free.




On 20/02/2018 4:29 a.m., zahra wrote:
adobe acrobat does not support persian very well, moreover, its not
free and for the sanctions against iran and reading license of
adobe, i realy dont trust this company!

On 2/19/18, Gene <gsasner@ripco.com> wrote:
I haven't tried those versions of Chrome, but why not ask if such
settings are available in Chrome? I don't know if they are or not
but they either may be or there may be another way to do what you
want in Chrome.
That's
true for Firefox as well. Also, I'm not sure what you want to do.
You appear to want to be able to save multimedia files without them
opening

in
Chrome or Firefox. As I said, there may be ways to do these things
you don't know about in both browsers even if there are no
settings. I can't discuss multimedia files in part because I'm not
sure just what kinds of files you are discussing and I may not have
tried to save those filetypes..
But in terms of files such as audio files like MP3s, in Firefox,
once the file starts to play in the browser, you can save it by
issuing the command control s, then using the save as dialog that
opens. I wouldn't be surprised if that is true in Chrome as well.

Please explain what you want to do in detail so people can address it.

You may want to live in the technological past indefinitely but you
can't unless you want to be increasingly unable to do things you do
now and limited in things you may want to do in future.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: zahra
Sent: Monday, February 19, 2018 9:00 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] accessibility of other browsers for nvda users:


i did not say that chrome is not accessible, reading web pages and
for example gmail, is completely accessible and the quick
navigation keys are like firefox.
but its not very accessible for my need in customization and
changing settings!
in firefox is about:config
which has thousands of options and i could easily set firefox
according to my desire, i searched google and found hidden options
in chrome.
but could not find anything that wished to find!
about automatic openning multimedia files, its not just happen on
my system, even this feature is on by default and by the grace of
God, i could find it in about:config if i could not find this
option for my firefox, i kept firefox 25 forever without update!
because this problem happened since firefox 26 that does not allow
downloading multimedia files without changing settings in
about:config by the way, did you try chromium and slimjet which i asked about them?

On 2/19/18, Gene <gsasner@ripco.com> wrote:
Please don't assume that because you can't do something, that it
can't

be
done and that, if you don't fully understand an unfamiliar
interface, that it is inaccessible or can't be worked with. As
far as updates are concerned, you can't avoid updates because
Chrome automatically updates.
But
that doesn't matter in your case. You use XP and Google Chrome,
the browser, hasn't been updated for XP for perhaps almost a year.
In addition, the settings, or almost all of them, I haven't
checked every one, are accessible, or at least can be worked with.
You have to do certain things to be able to work with some of them
such as manually turn off and on browse mode. The program isn't
as accessible as it should be but there is a difference between
accessibility and usability and a lot of programs are very usable,
even though not fully accessible. Chrome is largely accessible
and is very usable, though not completely everything is. But it's
usable enough so that almost everything desired can be done except
in the case of add ons which may not be accessible, but that's the
fault of the add on designer.

I'm going into all this mainly because your message may, if not
discussed, mslead others into believing Chrome is not usable and
is not reasonably accessible. I don't particularly like the
interface but the program is reasonably accessible and quite
usable.

As far as playing audio files, Chrome does play audio. I don't
know if it plays what you are trying to play. I don't know what
you are having problems with but please don't state things as
though they are facts based on only your experience with an
unfamiliar program. It's perfectly alright to say, I couldn't get
it to do this or that. That doesn't mean it can't be done.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: zahra
Sent: Monday, February 19, 2018 8:13 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] accessibility of other browsers for nvda users:


hello every one.
as my language is persian
and did not find and there is no one offline program for reading
pdf files in persian language except chrome, i decided to download chrome.
i realy did not like it,
its less accessible than firefox in using settings.
i could not change it to not update automaticly, dont play audio
and video files which i want to download.
openning files after download etc.
so, i wished to try other browsers based on chrome like chromium
and slimjet.
did any of you test these browsers?
are they supported screen readers?
do they the problems that i mentioned for those, i dont like
chrome or not.
i appreciate any of your help, sincerely pray for you and God
bless you all!

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--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the entire creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration from prophet Mohammad is:
indeed, imam husayn is the beacon of guidance and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
www.al-islam.org








--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the entire creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration from prophet Mohammad is:
indeed, imam husayn is the beacon of guidance and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages www.al-islam.org