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Version 18.04.1: SPL and Windows 10 App Essentials
#addonrelease
Hi all,
Version 18.04.1 of the following add-ons are now available:
Cheers, Joseph
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Re: email list for open office users
Ervin, Glenn
That sort of thing is not a clutter to the list, it will help all. I save such list messages for later reference. Glenn
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io]
On Behalf Of Tony Ballou
Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2018 10:47 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] email list for open office users
Hi Guys,
Let me dig them up and I'll make sure you get them.
Tony
On 3/25/2018 6:47 PM, David Moore wrote:
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Re: I take it there have been no improvements to the flawed espeak ng in 2017.4?
Ervin, Glenn
I would never use the "human sounding" voices for using the computer, however, for reading long articles, or a short book, I would not want to use something like Eloquence, or heaven's sake, not eSpeak.
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The human-sounding voices are good for strictly listening, where there is little or no keyboard input. Glenn
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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Rob Hudson Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2018 1:12 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] I take it there have been no improvements to the flawed espeak ng in 2017.4? Lino Morales <linomorales001@gmail.com> wrote: This is what talking books are for. Regardless of what synth I use. You realize bla hearing a book ready by a speech synth would be? Boring. It would put me to sleep. But not all books are made into audio books. In fact, the vast majority are not. And if you're into online fiction, synth reading is the only game in town.
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Re: I take it there have been no improvements to the flawed espeak ng in 2017.4?
Ervin, Glenn
Do you not like Eloquence?
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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sharni-Lee Ward Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2018 12:27 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: [nvda] I take it there have been no improvements to the flawed espeak ng in 2017.4? I've just caught up on all my emails. If I understood an earlier thread correctly, despite our complaints when 2017.4 came out, the devs did not roll back the version of espeak packaged with NVDA to the version in 2017.3, which means that I will not be updating NVDA, despite the wonderful-sounding new features. Espeak, and subsequently Espeak NG, has been my default synth since I started using NVDA. There was an issue in 2014 but I was able to get used to that, and then it got fixed, so I was contented. The problems I found in the espeak packaged with 2017.4 were more than I could stand, as someone who primarily uses NVDA to read fanfiction and my own stories. However, Espeak is among the only synths compatible with NVDA's inflection slider, which I have maxed out for optimal performance. I'm not about to sacrifice broad inflection for the drones of MS voices, and I'm currently using a Win 7 computer, but even if I was on a Win 10 one, the 1Core voices don't do it for me either. They're pleasant, but also flat. No inflection. No way to change the inflection. I can't stand human-sounding voices because they're less flexible than synthetic ones in this regard. Also, nearly all non Espeak voices are slow as well as flat, partially due to the length of pauses between clauses of a sentence, and this is about as unbearable as the flatness. And there is one more thing that really clinches my unwillingness to change synths. I cannot get anything else to cooperate with my speech dictionary. As I said, I read a lot of fanfiction, and I have put lots of characters' names and the names of Pokémon into my dictionary so that they are pronounced properly. The other synths simply do not like these names, no matter what I try to do with them, and some of them even pronounced my name wrong, so I gave up on them. This is why I want whoever's developing Espeak to roll back their changes to a previous version (surely they have older versions backed up somewhere. I would if I was developing something like this), and for NVDA to likewise roll back the version packaged with it until the devs of the synth work out how to alter one language without screwing up twenty others in the process. I know I can only go so far before I am forced to update to the latest version of NVDA or be left to languish as more and more things become incompatible with the last tolerable version I have. Please, I am begging you, do something about this.
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Re: Any Captcha Solving Add-on Works with FireFox 59 and NVDA 2018.1?
Ervin, Glenn
That is indeed annoying when people don’t set their eMail program to include the message they are referencing. Glenn
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io]
On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2018 7:07 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Any Captcha Solving Add-on Works with FireFox 59 and NVDA 2018.1?
I looked up the term and, since you don't reference whom you are responding to, we have no idea nor what message you are responding to..
Gene ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2018 5:33 AM Subject: Re: [nvda] Any Captcha Solving Add-on Works with FireFox 59 and NVDA 2018.1?
To use an old Usenet term on this thread.
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Re: vocalizer expressive.
Rui Fontes
Answer in private.
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Rui Fontes Tiflotecnia, Lda. Às 15:39 de 26/03/2018, Ronald J Glaser escreveu:
Tiflotecnia are the ones I am trying to actavate but when trying to type into the edit boxes to enter the information it will not let me do this.
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Re: vocalizer expressive.
Ronald J Glaser
Tiflotecnia are the ones I am trying to actavate but when trying
to type into the edit boxes to enter the information it will not
let me do this. On 3/26/2018 9:32 AM, Rui Fontes wrote:
Hello! -- a friend like You Makes The Day Go Right!
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Re: vocalizer expressive.
Rui Fontes
Hello!
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Which version of Vocalizer Expressive? From Tiflotecnia or from Code Factory? Rui Fontes Tiflotecnia, Lda. Às 15:26 de 26/03/2018, Ronald J Glaser escreveu:
I am trying to actavate my vocalizer expressive voices for nvda and I am unable to even do this what is going on?
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vocalizer expressive.
Ronald J Glaser
I am trying to actavate my vocalizer expressive voices for nvda and
I am unable to even do this what is going on?
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NVDA speech on Word 2016 ribbons
Hi all,
this is a question about Microsoft Word 2016 which I am using on a Win10 laptop with NVDA 2018.1 If I have no Word documents open and then open one, NVDA speaks every object (apologies if ‘object’ is the wrong word), such as when I press Alt and then arrow accross the ribbon it will say "Ribbon Toolbar" before speaking Home and again before speaking Insert and again before speaking Design and Layout etc. When I enter the home ribbon and tab through the formatting options NVDA speaks the following: Font grouping Bold toggle button pressed Make your text bold. Alt, H, 1 Ctrl+B Font tool bar Italic button Ctrl+I; Alt, H, 2 Home grouping Font grouping Italic toggle button not pressed Italicize your text. Alt, H, 2 Ctrl+I Font tool bar Underline grouping Alt, H, 3 Home grouping Font grouping Underline split button collapsed Underline your text. Alt, H, 3 Font tool bar Strikethrough button Alt, H, 4 Home grouping Font grouping Strikethrough toggle button not pressed Cross something out by drawing a line through it. Alt, H, 4 Font tool bar Subscript button Ctrl+=; Alt, H, 5 Home grouping Font grouping Subscript toggle button not pressed Type very small letters just below the line of text. Alt, H, 5 Ctrl+= If I re-start NVDA and tab through the same set of formatting options (without re-opening the Word doc) it is not as vocal, which I much prefer ... it now says: Clear Formatting button Remove all formatting from the selection, leaving only the normal, unformatted text. Alt, H, E Bold toggle button pressed Make your text bold. Alt, H, 1 Ctrl+B Italic toggle button not pressed Italicize your text. Alt, H, 2 Ctrl+I Underline split button collapsed Underline your text. Alt, H, 3 Strikethrough toggle button not pressed Cross something out by drawing a line through it. Alt, H, 4 Subscript toggle button not pressed Type very small letters just below the line of text. Alt, H, 5 Ctrl+= Superscript toggle button not pressed Type very small letters just above the line of text. Alt, H, 6 Ctrl+Shift++ Can anyone explain why I experience this? I presume it's not something in the NVDA settings since otherwise re-starting NVDA presumably wouldn't have any effect. I'm happy with the “Make your text bold. Alt, H, 1 Ctrl+B” part, it's just the repetition of which ribbon or ribbon group I'm in that drives me nuts! I'm using the speech viewer to record what NVDA is saying in both cases. Thanks :) Giles
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Re: I take it there have been no improvements to the flawed espeak ng in 2017.4?
Ronald J Glaser
What you have to remember is that not everyone can aford a braille display; so then what is left to use would be software speech. for eading content.
On 3/25/2018 1:11 PM, Rob Hudson wrote:
Lino Morales <linomorales001@...> wrote:This is what talking books are for. Regardless of what synth I use. You realize bla hearing a book ready by a speech synth would be? Boring. It would put me to sleep.But not all books are made into audio books. In fact, the vast majority are not. And if you're into online fiction, synth reading is the only game in town. -- a friend like You Makes The Day Go Right!
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Re: accessible apps in the microsoft store that will work withNVDA?
Devin Prater
Also, the automatic expanding of threads when keyboard focus is put on a thread is still there. I cannot use that client well until that’s fixed, as I love conversation views.
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On Mar 26, 2018, at 5:26 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io <bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io> wrote:
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Re: I take it there have been no improvements to the flawed speaking in 2017.4?
Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
I think it depends on what you are reading and also on the person you are, so to speak. In Bcab for example there is one person who reads books so fast with electronic speech I cannot understand a single word, yet he sees it as perfectly reasonable.
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The fact is that just like everything else voices and how a book is read is an extremely personal thing, and as such no consensus can be reached. add in other languages, and you make the problem even harder to solve. I think what is irking people at least who is the English voices of espeak is that it used to get most things right, but now seems to have had some strange choices made that affect some words in certain contexts but not otherwise, ie messing with the logic of which bits of speech are used when. Brian bglists@blueyonder.co.uk Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal E-mail to:- briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field.
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From: <ely.r@comcast.net> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2018 9:30 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] I take it there have been no improvements to the flawed speaking in 2017.4? Lino,
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Re: accessible apps in the microsoft store that will work withNVDA?
Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
Yes but the mail app is a shadow of even the old Outlook express, feature wise. Brian
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bglists@blueyonder.co.uk Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal E-mail to:- briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field.
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From: "David Moore" <jesusloves1966@gmail.com> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2018 11:57 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] accessible apps in the microsoft store that will work withNVDA? Hi! The mail, Calendar, and People apps work great with NVDA. I am using NVDA with the mail app right now. David Moore Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Gene New Zealand Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2018 3:50 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] accessible apps in the microsoft store that will work withNVDA? Hi From what i see the skype app works well but only been using it more for voice calls. it lets you navigate the app etc and I guess the rest of the features would work well to. if you are interested I put together a tutorial on using it the basics and now i know when a person is online to be added some time this week to it it makes it even better just knowing when your friends are online. The last part knowing when they are online will be added some time this week. it can be found on the nvda tutorials for other programs page on my website where a link is below. Gene nz On 3/26/2018 8:00 AM, Sue J. Ward wrote: Hello. I am glad I do have windows 10 and have the Microsoft Store installed was wondering what are some apps that will work with NVDA? I could only find two the MSN news and the MSN weather app so far. So if anyone knows of other ones maybe put them up on the list. Have heard that Skype is not that great that is okay have never used it. ____________________________________________________________ 1 Simple Trick Removes Lip Lines & Eye Bags in Seconds healthzoneworldwide.com http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3131/5ab7f1c642cac71c52fa9st03duc -- Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or location) is near to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.
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Re: accessible apps in the microsoft store that will work with NVDA?
Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
It just seems to me that Microsoft could easily have used established access concepts in their store apps had they decided to. Reinventing things and letting thing become pretty unstructured seems illogical to me.
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I understand its a kind of seperate environment and is used for security reasons, but sandboxing would have achieved this end. brian bglists@blueyonder.co.uk Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal E-mail to:- briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field.
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From: "Joseph Lee" <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2018 8:07 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] accessible apps in the microsoft store that will work with NVDA? Hi, There are many apps that are accessible with NVDA. These include most recent update to Twitter, Sa11ytaire (accessible and testing version of Solitaire optimized for users with disabilities) and many others. And before anyone adds what I think they'll say, yes, I do recommend getting that ad-on (not only because I wrote it, but because it comes in handy in interesting situations such as supporting universal app controls NVDA doesn't support yet). Cheers, Joseph -----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sue J. Ward Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2018 12:00 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: [nvda] accessible apps in the microsoft store that will work with NVDA? Hello. I am glad I do have windows 10 and have the Microsoft Store installed was wondering what are some apps that will work with NVDA? I could only find two the MSN news and the MSN weather app so far. So if anyone knows of other ones maybe put them up on the list. Have heard that Skype is not that great that is okay have never used it. ____________________________________________________________ 1 Simple Trick Removes Lip Lines & Eye Bags in Seconds healthzoneworldwide.com http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3131/5ab7f1c642cac71c52fa9st03duc
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Re: I take it there have been no improvements to the flawed espeak ng in 2017.4?
Espeakng is nice, better than espeak but I do wish the pronounciations could be corrected, I mean there was nothing wrong with the old ones.
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During my experiments with it, if I used old espeak data with ng, the engine reverted to old espeakish sound suggesting its part of the dataset and not the engine itself. So if a new dataset could be generated with corrected values and maybe trying to fix the issues in data would be what we needed nothing else. How easy would it be to maintain a dataset, and install it, backing up the older one and then replacing it with new data I wander. Or am I barking up a tree.
On 26/03/2018 9:28 p.m., Gene wrote:
Actually, on comparing again, unmodified e-speak has a little more high end in the s's and also e-speak has a little spittiness and distortion of s sounds. And again, in my comparison just made, I don't think there is much of any difference in the high end between unmodified Eloquence and E-speak.
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Re: I take it there have been no improvements to the flawed espeak ng in 2017.4?
Gene
Actually, on comparing again, unmodified e-speak
has a little more high end in the s's and also e-speak has a little spittiness
and distortion of s sounds. And again, in my comparison just made, I don't
think there is much of any difference in the high end between unmodified
Eloquence and E-speak.
For accuracy, I should point out
that I'm comparing Via Voice the older version, to E-Speak. Via Voice
sounds extremely close to unmodified Eloquence or perhaps
identical.
Gene
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From: Gene
Sent: Monday, March 26, 2018 3:20 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] I take it there have been no improvements to the
flawed espeak ng in 2017.4? You wrote:
I don't like Eloquence because it isn't as crisp as Espeak. I
have compared
it to A.M radio in the past, and Espeak to FM/CD Quality sound. That is a very inaccurate
comparison. E-Speak has more high end in the s sounds and the voice may
have a little more high end but hardly comparable to FM radio or CD quality
sound. and why is the difference of perhaps two thousand or three thousand
KHZ, by my estimate, from, let's say, around 7000KHZ in Eloquence to about nine
hundred or one thousand KHZ in E-Speak of any real importance? I would
imagine you talk on the phone without worrying about such things.
Eloquence has much better
understandability of speech at higher speeds, and pronounces a lot more words
correctly.
Also, I don't know if you are talking
about Eloquence as modified by the producers of JAWS or Eloquence, as it is
unmodified. The JAWS designers customized it. If you are saying it
isn't crisp because you are thinking of JAWS Eloquence, that's not an accurate
representation of what unmodified Eloquence sounds like. Also, the JAWS
modifiers took out pauses at periods. That seriously degrades reading,
that the modified version doesn't pause at periods.
You may be pleasantly surprised if you
try the demo of the HTML version. If you haven't heard unmodified
Eloquence, you don't know what it really sounds like.
Gene
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Re: I take it there have been no improvements to the flawed espeak ng in 2017.4?
Gene
You wrote:
I don't like Eloquence because it isn't as crisp as Espeak. I
have compared
it to A.M radio in the past, and Espeak to FM/CD Quality sound. That is a very inaccurate
comparison. E-Speak has more high end in the s sounds and the voice may
have a little more high end but hardly comparable to FM radio or CD quality
sound. and why is the difference of perhaps two thousand or three thousand
KHZ, by my estimate, from, let's say, around 7000KHZ in Eloquence to about nine
hundred or one thousand KHZ in E-Speak of any real importance? I would
imagine you talk on the phone without worrying about such things.
Eloquence has much better
understandability of speech at higher speeds, and pronounces a lot more words
correctly.
Also, I don't know if you are talking
about Eloquence as modified by the producers of JAWS or Eloquence, as it is
unmodified. The JAWS designers customized it. If you are saying it
isn't crisp because you are thinking of JAWS Eloquence, that's not an accurate
representation of what unmodified Eloquence sounds like. Also, the JAWS
modifiers took out pauses at periods. That seriously degrades reading,
that the modified version doesn't pause at periods.
You may be pleasantly surprised if you
try the demo of the HTML version. If you haven't heard unmodified
Eloquence, you don't know what it really sounds like.
Gene
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Re: I take it there have been no improvements to the flawed espeak ng in 2017.4?
Reece H. Dunn
On Sun, Mar 25, 2018 at 01:34 am, Sharni-Lee Ward wrote:
The en-GB (British English) voice for espeak-ng pronounces those words the same as it has done in version 1.49.0 (which was the first espeak-ng release, released in September 2016). I have fixed "resignedly". If you don't want espeak to break, then there should not be any improvements (including pronunciation fixes) to it. Correcting the pronunciation of one word may break the pronunciation of another. You don't need to insult people trying to improve the original espeak, and add new features like emoji support. Are your issues with speechplayer (which is maintained by NVDA) or with the espeak voice? This includes "they're", "our", "for a" and "for the" which haven't changed from espeak.
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Re: email list for open office users
hi.
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please someone send me shortcuts of libreoffice or openoffice or both! the email group which i sent, was for all users of openoffice, not specially for blind users.
On 3/26/18, Tony Ballou <cyberpro224@outlook.com> wrote:
Hi Guys, --
By God, were I given all the seven heavens with all they contain in order that I may disobey God by depriving an ant from the husk of a grain of barley, I would not do it. imam ali
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