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Welcome to NVDA 2018: Preferences part 1 posted

 

Hi all,

 

The next installment in Welcome to NVDA 2018 series is now up at http://www.josephsl.net/tutorials under Welcome to NVDA 2018 section. This one is the first part in a two part series on NVDA preferences. Because NVDA ships with a lot of options (at least 110 options available), and to make it consistent with previous tutorial editions, preferences has been split into two parts. Also, due to hardware configuration, two computers were used.

 

Changes from 2015 edition:

 

  • Completely redone.
  • General settings: no changes.
  • Synthesizer: audio ducking setting is covered.
  • Supported speech synthesizers: Espeak NG, Microsoft SAPI5, Windows OneCore and Nuance Vocalizer are featured.
  • Voice settings: no changes.
  • Synth settings ring: some clarifications.
  • Braille settings: too many to list, the most prominent ones being cursor shape and focus context changes.
  • Supported braille displays: hinted at changes coming in NVDA 2018.1.
  • Keyboard settings: an example of using skim reading, speech interrupt examples, and spelling error buzzer is mentioned (Popular apps/MS Word segment has an example).
  • Mouse settings: no changes.
  • Saving and restoring settings: no changes.

 

In addition to the above, the first addendum topic is now available: touch interaction dialog (to make its debut as part of NVDA 2018.1). This topic will be incorporated into the main tutorial once NVDA 2018.1 is released.

 

Enjoy.

Cheers,

Joseph


Re: Duplicate messages in my thunderbird email client

Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...>
 

Hi


Not sure if the following post will help but may give a idea of where to look etc. It can be found at https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/1003849

gene nz



On 1/14/2018 2:50 AM, Dr. arvind singh brar wrote:
Hello friends,
I am facing a strange issue in my thunderbird email client where i am getting duplicate messages 
All the messages in my inbox is followed by a duplicate,
I waas wondering if there was a way to remove duplicate messages from appearing in my inbox?
Any help would be greatly appreciated,
Thank you so much 'alvin from singaporre;

This message is transmitted on 100% recycled electrons.


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Re: Office 365, Word, working with comments

Pranav Lal
 

Hi Sandra,

Set your view to drafts or, use the previous and next comment commands in the ribbon to move from comment to comment. Once you land on a comment, invoke the context menu and you will have office 2013 like options.

Pranav


zello query

Joseph Weakland
 

hello to all nvda users who use zello. If anyone can easily find pending zello auth requests in zello with NVDA please give specific steps thanks:)


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Experiences with IBM Lotus Notes and NVDA

Iván Novegil
 

Hello.

Some days ago an Spanish user asked NVDA.es about the NVDA support for Lotus Notes, a mail client by IBM that she uses for her work.
She's said that when she opens Lotus Notes, NVDA doesn’t report anything.
Have anyone used Lotus Notes with NVDA? Any tip or tutorial to give this user? None of us have never used this program because it’s very old, in fact we thought that only a few companies would continue using Lotus Notes, because, for example, there are new cheaper (and some of them open source) solutions.

Thanks in advance.
Regards.
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Re: The length of a stop

Gene
 

Other forms of punctuation won't work.  I've experimented before and nothing is longer than one period.  I don't know if there is any way to do what you want but that isn't one.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: John Isige
Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2018 12:10 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] The length of a stop

Try other forms of punctuation. Colon, ellipses, i.e. three periods/dots
in a row separated by spaces ... like this ... You probably want: 
punctuation set to none ... if you're reading : : : poetry anyway.
Played around with some different punctuation there for you to check
out. And yes, it will probably vary by synthesizer as well.


On 1/13/2018 10:41, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
> This sounds like a Question for the Synth maker to answer to me.
> I really do not know which software decides on the pauses, and whether
> there is any way on some to insert silent spaces so to speak.
> Brian
>
> bglists@...
> Sent via blueyonder.
> Please address personal email to:-
> briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
> in the display name field.
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Giles Turnbull"
> <giles.turnbull@...>
> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2018 4:20 PM
> Subject: [nvda] The length of a stop
>
>
> Hi all,
>
> NVDA obviously pauses for commas and full stops (periods) but does
> anybody have any ideas about how to increase the length of the pause?
>
> I ask because I use NVDA for performing my poetry (I have a rubbish
> memory so alternate poems I've memorised with ones I use NVDA to
> perform). 99 percent of the time the regular pauses for comma and full
> stop are fine, but there are a couple of poems where it'd be great if
> I could get a double length pause for a full stop, or the combined
> pause of a full stop followed by a comma.
>
> If I try using such combinations there is no change to the pause and,
> unless I set punctuation level to none, a line like "This is a test. .
> To see what happens" actually says “This a test dot To see what
> happens”. With punctuation level set to none it doesn't say the “dot”
> but it doesn't pause any longer either.
>
> Just thought I'd ask in case anybody has any ideas for how I could add
> any extra pausing into the rendition of a line of text using NVDA :)
>
> Thanks,
>
> Giles
> (Win10 and NVDA 17.4)
>
>
>
>





Re: The length of a stop

John Isige
 

Try other forms of punctuation. Colon, ellipses, i.e. three periods/dots
in a row separated by spaces ... like this ... You probably want: 
punctuation set to none ... if you're reading : : : poetry anyway.
Played around with some different punctuation there for you to check
out. And yes, it will probably vary by synthesizer as well.

On 1/13/2018 10:41, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
This sounds like a Question for the Synth maker to answer to me.
I really do not know which software decides on the pauses, and whether
there is any way on some to insert silent spaces so to speak.
Brian

bglists@...
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal email to:-
briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Giles Turnbull"
<giles.turnbull@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2018 4:20 PM
Subject: [nvda] The length of a stop


Hi all,

NVDA obviously pauses for commas and full stops (periods) but does
anybody have any ideas about how to increase the length of the pause?

I ask because I use NVDA for performing my poetry (I have a rubbish
memory so alternate poems I've memorised with ones I use NVDA to
perform). 99 percent of the time the regular pauses for comma and full
stop are fine, but there are a couple of poems where it'd be great if
I could get a double length pause for a full stop, or the combined
pause of a full stop followed by a comma.

If I try using such combinations there is no change to the pause and,
unless I set punctuation level to none, a line like "This is a test. .
To see what happens" actually says “This a test dot To see what
happens”. With punctuation level set to none it doesn't say the “dot”
but it doesn't pause any longer either.

Just thought I'd ask in case anybody has any ideas for how I could add
any extra pausing into the rendition of a line of text using NVDA :)

Thanks,

Giles
(Win10 and NVDA 17.4)



Re: Help with NVDA and Google Classroom

John Isige
 

FYI you can toggle focus mode in NVDA with NVDA-space. Also, you might
use single letter navigation toggle, NVDA-shift-space. See the user
guide, Chap. 6. Some of the single letter commands can be really helpful
depending on the specific website, e.g. navigating by separators might
work better for some sites than headings.

On 1/13/2018 11:39, ely.r@... wrote:
Help with NVDA and Google Classroom

Iván

Thanks for this. I started working with the suite this past week and
found it easier than I had anticipated. Several years ago, I was at a
AER conference and sitting with a very talented fellow blind user
while she worked to check its screen reader accessibility. As she
said, with three different screen readers used at different time, she
could get about and do what she needed. That scared me enough to avoid
it. Just goes to show that diving in to dark water is not always as
dangerous as you think. Guessing too that Google and readers have
shown some improvement.

Best,

Rick

Dr. Rick Ely

TVI, Vision Consultant

451 Rocky Hill Road

Florence, MA 01062

&413()  727-3038

*From:* nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] *On Behalf Of
*Iván Novegil
*Sent:* Saturday, January 13, 2018 12:23 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] Help with NVDA and Google Classroom

Hello.

I’ve used Google classroom as  student for around two years without
problems. The web interface is mostly accesible, although you need to
turn on the focus mode in certain dialogs to access some sections or
to enhance the experience. Same for the iOS app: it is in certain
things less accessible/usable/complete than the web interface, but can
be used with VoiceOver without special difficulties.

Note that classroom have certain of its aspects, specially those that
involve file sharing,  integrated with GoogleDrive, so probably the
user will need also GDrive knowledge.

regards.



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El 11 ene 2018, a las 17:40, ely.r@...
<mailto:ely.r@...> escribió:

Morning All,

I have a middle school student who’s school uses Google Classroom for
all email and sharing of information. So, time for me to gain skills.
Does anyone know of a good tutorial for doing this that does not
involve changing to Google’s screen reader. If not I would love any
suggestions from folks who use elements of Google’s suite of programs.

Thanks for any help,

Rick

Dr. Rick Ely

TVI, Vision Consultant

451 Rocky Hill Road

Florence, MA 01062

&413()  727-3038


Re: Help with NVDA and Google Classroom

ely.r@...
 

Iván

Thanks for this. I started working with the suite this past week and found it easier than I had anticipated. Several years ago, I was at a AER conference and sitting with a very talented fellow blind user while she worked to check its screen reader accessibility. As she said, with three different screen readers used at different time, she could get about and do what she needed. That scared me enough to avoid it. Just goes to show that diving in to dark water is not always as dangerous as you think. Guessing too that Google and readers have shown some improvement.

Best,

Rick

 

Dr. Rick Ely

TVI, Vision Consultant

451 Rocky Hill Road

Florence, MA 01062

&413()  727-3038

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Iván Novegil
Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2018 12:23 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Help with NVDA and Google Classroom

 

Hello.

 

I’ve used Google classroom as  student for around two years without problems. The web interface is mostly accesible, although you need to turn on the focus mode in certain dialogs to access some sections or to enhance the experience. Same for the iOS app: it is in certain things less accessible/usable/complete than the web interface, but can be used with VoiceOver without special difficulties.

Note that classroom have certain of its aspects, specially those that involve file sharing,  integrated with GoogleDrive, so probably the user will need also GDrive knowledge.

 

regards.

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El 11 ene 2018, a las 17:40, ely.r@... escribió:

 

Morning All,

I have a middle school student who’s school uses Google Classroom for all email and sharing of information. So, time for me to gain skills. Does anyone know of a good tutorial for doing this that does not involve changing to Google’s screen reader. If not I would love any suggestions from folks who use elements of Google’s suite of programs.

Thanks for any help,

Rick

Dr. Rick Ely

TVI, Vision Consultant

451 Rocky Hill Road

Florence, MA 01062

&413()  727-3038

 

 


Re: New custom NVDA Add-on. Who ask to?

 

Hi,

One avenue we can try (and no, not an add-on yet): can you try the following for me and see if it makes a difference:

  1. Open keyboard settings (Control+NVDA+K).
  2. Tab through the dialog until you arrive at the last item prior to OK button. In English, it’ll say, “Handle keys from other applications”, which is a checkbox.
  3. Uncheck the checkbox and press Enter.
  4. Try typing with the stenotype and see if NVDA announces new syllables when entering text and deleting text (for those unfamiliar with it, a stenotype is a chorded keyboard (similar to the braille keyboard in its operation) where you press one or more key combinations to enter text in syllable units).

 

If the above steps work, then we’re done. If not, then please ask the stenotype app developer to contact NV Access and I for consultation work. If NV Access says an add-on is the best route, then I’ll ask the add-ons community to investigate this on your behalf.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Daniele Casarola
Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2018 9:25 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] New custom NVDA Add-on. Who ask to?

 

Hi guys,

I thank you very much for all of your answers, opinions and informations.

First of all sorry for my English, I'll do my best.

Before to enter in details into my needs, in my first post I've aksed if exist some companies on the market which offer scripting services for NVDA. Of course paying for that.

In the next lines I'll try to explain as short and clear as possible the situation. Any kind of suggestion to solve it from people with more experience than me, will be well accepted. I thank you in advance for the patience.

I am a stenographer. I use a steno machine, which is a keyboard, to transcribe registered audio from Court. For those who can see, here's a short video of me, typing on the keyboard:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=emiCbuMhFxs

On a standard QWERTY keyboard you type letter by letter, while on a steno keyboard you type syllable by syllable, or word by word.

It is much faster. If you are a good stenographer you can type in realtime what a speaker says. Stenographers are also used for realtime subtitling in television.

In Italy I didn't find any other visually impaired person who makes this job. I don't know if it is a specific problem of Italy, but here most of the blind and visually impaired people's job is yet telephone receptionist.

For this reason the Italian National Organisation for Blind and Visually Impaired People I belong to, is interested to share and diffuse this kind of job for those who are interested.

I began to lose seriously my sight on January 2015. So I've left my job and begin to study stenography.

On January 2017 a company hires me and since that moment I'm doing this job. But since three years I'm building and improving a workflow, to make it 100% accessible.

At the moment I can say it is 90% accessible. I miss the last step, and it is the reason of this post and the need of a custom add-on.

Until this job is not 100% accessible me and the Organization I belong, we cannot share and diffuse.

If you run the youtube video above, you can hear the human speaker, and also the NVDA vocalizer voice which repeats what the speaker says, while I'm typing.

The voice helps me to know if what I'm typing is right or not. Of course I should concentrate on two voices at the same time. It is like to listen continuously an echo. After a bit of practice the brain can get used to it.

Basically the main problem is in case I make a mistake. In that situation I press a button on the keyboard which works exactly like an "undo", or a CTRL+Z: it deletes syllable by syllable or word by word.

In this case NVDA is not able to read. So I have audio feedback when I go forward, while typing, but I have not audio feedback when I go backward, while deleting.

In this video I've explained more in detail the issue, maybe it is too long, sorry for that:
https://youtu.be/sa_fYoVhyrc

I've tried different Screen Reader, but NVDA is the only one which gives me audio feedback when I type with a steno machine. JAWS doesn't work. JAWS gives me audio feedback only if I type with a standard QWERTY keyboard.

For this reason this is the first community I ask help.

I've red above NVDA is developed in python language. Also the application I use to convert steno keyboard strokes into words and letters on the screen, is developed in python, and it is open source too.

I thank you very much for reading until the end. If you know any company, or studio, or association, od individual person who can help me to solve this problem, I will appreciate a lot, also JAWS if you think is the best solution.

Daniele.


Re: New custom NVDA Add-on. Who ask to?

Daniele Casarola
 

Hi guys,

I thank you very much for all of your answers, opinions and informations.

First of all sorry for my English, I'll do my best.

Before to enter in details into my needs, in my first post I've aksed if exist some companies on the market which offer scripting services for NVDA. Of course paying for that.

In the next lines I'll try to explain as short and clear as possible the situation. Any kind of suggestion to solve it from people with more experience than me, will be well accepted. I thank you in advance for the patience.

I am a stenographer. I use a steno machine, which is a keyboard, to transcribe registered audio from Court. For those who can see, here's a short video of me, typing on the keyboard:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=emiCbuMhFxs

On a standard QWERTY keyboard you type letter by letter, while on a steno keyboard you type syllable by syllable, or word by word.

It is much faster. If you are a good stenographer you can type in realtime what a speaker says. Stenographers are also used for realtime subtitling in television.

In Italy I didn't find any other visually impaired person who makes this job. I don't know if it is a specific problem of Italy, but here most of the blind and visually impaired people's job is yet telephone receptionist.

For this reason the Italian National Organisation for Blind and Visually Impaired People I belong to, is interested to share and diffuse this kind of job for those who are interested.

I began to lose seriously my sight on January 2015. So I've left my job and begin to study stenography.

On January 2017 a company hires me and since that moment I'm doing this job. But since three years I'm building and improving a workflow, to make it 100% accessible.

At the moment I can say it is 90% accessible. I miss the last step, and it is the reason of this post and the need of a custom add-on.

Until this job is not 100% accessible me and the Organization I belong, we cannot share and diffuse.

If you run the youtube video above, you can hear the human speaker, and also the NVDA vocalizer voice which repeats what the speaker says, while I'm typing.

The voice helps me to know if what I'm typing is right or not. Of course I should concentrate on two voices at the same time. It is like to listen continuously an echo. After a bit of practice the brain can get used to it.

Basically the main problem is in case I make a mistake. In that situation I press a button on the keyboard which works exactly like an "undo", or a CTRL+Z: it deletes syllable by syllable or word by word.

In this case NVDA is not able to read. So I have audio feedback when I go forward, while typing, but I have not audio feedback when I go backward, while deleting.

In this video I've explained more in detail the issue, maybe it is too long, sorry for that:
https://youtu.be/sa_fYoVhyrc

I've tried different Screen Reader, but NVDA is the only one which gives me audio feedback when I type with a steno machine. JAWS doesn't work. JAWS gives me audio feedback only if I type with a standard QWERTY keyboard.

For this reason this is the first community I ask help.

I've red above NVDA is developed in python language. Also the application I use to convert steno keyboard strokes into words and letters on the screen, is developed in python, and it is open source too.

I thank you very much for reading until the end. If you know any company, or studio, or association, od individual person who can help me to solve this problem, I will appreciate a lot, also JAWS if you think is the best solution.

Daniele.


Re: Help with NVDA and Google Classroom

Iván Novegil
 

Hello.

I’ve used Google classroom as  student for around two years without problems. The web interface is mostly accesible, although you need to turn on the focus mode in certain dialogs to access some sections or to enhance the experience. Same for the iOS app: it is in certain things less accessible/usable/complete than the web interface, but can be used with VoiceOver without special difficulties.
Note that classroom have certain of its aspects, specially those that involve file sharing,  integrated with GoogleDrive, so probably the user will need also GDrive knowledge.

regards.
Iván Novegil Cancelas
Editor
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El 11 ene 2018, a las 17:40, ely.r@... escribió:

Morning All,

I have a middle school student whos school uses Google Classroom for all email and sharing of information. So, time for me to gain skills. Does anyone know of a good tutorial for doing this that does not involve changing to Google’s screen reader. If not I would love any suggestions from folks who use elements of Google’s suite of programs.

Thanks for any help,

Rick

Dr. Rick Ely

TVI, Vision Consultant

451 Rocky Hill Road

Florence, MA 01062

&413()  727-3038




Re: The length of a stop

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

This sounds like a Question for the Synth maker to answer to me.
I really do not know which software decides on the pauses, and whether there is any way on some to insert silent spaces so to speak.
Brian

bglists@...
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal email to:-
briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Giles Turnbull" <giles.turnbull@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2018 4:20 PM
Subject: [nvda] The length of a stop


Hi all,

NVDA obviously pauses for commas and full stops (periods) but does anybody have any ideas about how to increase the length of the pause?

I ask because I use NVDA for performing my poetry (I have a rubbish memory so alternate poems I've memorised with ones I use NVDA to perform). 99 percent of the time the regular pauses for comma and full stop are fine, but there are a couple of poems where it'd be great if I could get a double length pause for a full stop, or the combined pause of a full stop followed by a comma.

If I try using such combinations there is no change to the pause and, unless I set punctuation level to none, a line like "This is a test. . To see what happens" actually says “This a test dot To see what happens”. With punctuation level set to none it doesn't say the “dot” but it doesn't pause any longer either.

Just thought I'd ask in case anybody has any ideas for how I could add any extra pausing into the rendition of a line of text using NVDA :)

Thanks,

Giles
(Win10 and NVDA 17.4)


Re: Duplicate messages in my thunderbird email client

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

Are these all messages, or just messages from yourself to, say this list and to others.
Google always seems to send back an email to the sender every time you send one, but if this was the case then I'd not expect to see any duplicates from anyone on the list but yourself.
I'll pass this over to other Tbird experts, but are you using Imap or pop3 collection? If its Imap then not a lot you can do about it, but Pop3 should be able to be filtered by rules you set up so the returns go to another folder of your choice.
Note though that I find it very handy to use imap for looking at the raw incoming stream and the spam folders.
Brian

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Please address personal email to:-
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Dr. arvind singh brar" <@Arvind>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2018 1:50 PM
Subject: [nvda] Duplicate messages in my thunderbird email client


Hello friends,
I am facing a strange issue in my thunderbird email client where i am getting duplicate messages
All the messages in my inbox is followed by a duplicate,
I waas wondering if there was a way to remove duplicate messages from appearing in my inbox?
Any help would be greatly appreciated,
Thank you so much 'alvin from singaporre;

This message is transmitted on 100% recycled electrons.


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The length of a stop

Giles Turnbull
 

Hi all,

NVDA obviously pauses for commas and full stops (periods) but does anybody have any ideas about how to increase the length of the pause?

I ask because I use NVDA for performing my poetry (I have a rubbish memory so alternate poems I've memorised with ones I use NVDA to perform). 99 percent of the time the regular pauses for comma and full stop are fine, but there are a couple of poems where it'd be great if I could get a double length pause for a full stop, or the combined pause of a full stop followed by a comma.

If I try using such combinations there is no change to the pause and, unless I set punctuation level to none, a line like "This is a test. . To see what happens" actually says “This a test dot To see what happens”. With punctuation level set to none it doesn't say the “dot” but it doesn't pause any longer either.

Just thought I'd ask in case anybody has any ideas for how I could add any extra pausing into the rendition of a line of text using NVDA :)

Thanks,

Giles
(Win10 and NVDA 17.4)


Zeswin and NEC Operator with NVDA

adriani.botez@...
 

Dear all,

Does anybody have any experience with the time recording web based software ZesWin? Does it work with NVDA?

And how about the phone software NEC Operator?


Best
Adriani


Duplicate messages in my thunderbird email client

 

Hello friends,
I am facing a strange issue in my thunderbird email client where i am getting duplicate messages 
All the messages in my inbox is followed by a duplicate,
I waas wondering if there was a way to remove duplicate messages from appearing in my inbox?
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Firefox 58 beta portable

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I have just taken the archive Jamie sent me, and expanded it in the x86 program files folder and run the firefox.exe file.
Now mostly it seems now to be working, except of course that it disables the navigational sounds extension of course.
The only bit that did not work was the downloads dialogue, ie no files were seen after a download, just unknown reported.
This could of course be because I have not actually registered any dll files for fear of screwing up the version 52 which is installed and probably is sharing the same profile as well. This can be seen as when you ask firefox what its running it will report version 58 beta 64 bit even though its not in the 64 bit program files folder. If you place it in that folder then it will ask to make firefox default and completely disable navigational sounds making it a requirement to reinstall that add on in version 52. If you run it in the 32 bit folder it merely disables it and on the second run of 52 will re enable it. However whatever I did I could not get the download dialogue to be read reliable in my semi portable copy.
I realise I'm sailing a little into uncharted waters here, but thought it worth noting that unlike 57, which refused to work at all in my windows 7 machine this does work, though I fancy its a little slower at times than 52 is, but its hard to be sure without the click sound and page load complete sound for ref.

Hope this helps.
I'm not planning on installing Firefox 58 till we get some sounds on it.
Brian

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Re: Unknown Content in Firefox

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When I had this, I systematically took out all firefox add ons that were still able to run, which seemed to be basically just the ublock origin, everything else was deemed incompatible and deactivated as when I went back I had to re install all of them again.
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From: "Adriani Botez" <adriani.botez@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 5:19 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Unknown Content in Firefox


Tell him he should make sure he is loged in as an admin when removing and reinstalling it. I personally thimk the issue is being caused by a firefox addon or plugin. I am not having this problem on windows 7 sp1. It might be related to the graphic card and the graphic driver, although this is very unprobable because in that case he would have issues in other software as well.

Are there any antivirus restrictions which put firefox in a sandbox or something like that?

Best
Adriani


Von meinem iPhone gesendet

Am 12.01.2018 um 14:58 schrieb Tim Harshbarger <tim.harshbarger.cqwg@...>:

I had my colleague check to see if NVDA could access the menu bar in Firefox. He was able to do that and NVDA read the menu items correctly. He also does not experience the problem when he uses Chrome or Internet Explorer 11. We also have other people using NVDA with Firefox 57 and they are not reporting problems. In fact, in a meeting with our team on Wednesday, I asked if anyone else was running into the problem and no one else was. My colleague did say that one of the developers he works with is having the same problem.

He has tried deleting and re-installing both NVDA 2017.4 and Firefox 57 and then re-installing them. He says he believes that removing NVDA didn’t remove everything because when he re-installed it immediately started using the software synthesizer he had previously switched to using. I don’t know if he deleted the Firefox settings when he removed and re-installed Firefox 57—I will mention that to him today.

Based on what everyone has said so far, it doesn’t sound like it should be the DLL’s. However, I may suggest he try options related to the DLL’s (if deleting the Firefox settings doesn’t work) since nothing else has worked so far.

While he can still conduct testing using Chrome and IE, I really want to help him fix it so he can use Firefox—since NVDA and Firefox are the screen reader/browser combination we tend to use as the core of our accessibility testing.only

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2018 3:43 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Unknown Content in Firefox

I'm not sure. If the dlls are unregistered, does that cause the same problems in Chrome and Internet Explorer? If so, and if these other browsers work properly, then there would be no point in registering the dll files and my guess about the cause of the problem is incorrect.

Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Gene New Zealand
Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2018 3:06 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Unknown Content in Firefox

Hi Tim



If it said some thing like unknown under the running programs part on the task bar when you went across the icons or it spoke nothing as you arrowed down the applications menu then i would guess some dlls have been unregistered.


You would also get unknown or pane in your browser or most browsers instead of edge on windows 10.

I do have a page on on my website that may help but do not think it is that bug.

When you uninstalled mozilla fire fox was there any bookmarks you really needed there?

If not some times a uninstall of mozilla fire fox in windows then doing the following will fix the problem.

Press the windows key + letter R then the run dialogue will come up. In it type the following %appdata% then press the enter key. Locate the folder for I am not sure what the foler would be called but on my machine it is called mozilla the folder will have to be deleted out then close the screen with the alt + f4 key. You have just deleted out the settings for mozilla fire fox. I am sure that is what it will be called on your machine.

Now reinstall mozilla fire fox and hopefully that would fix the problem.

I had some ting like that happen a couple of years back only on that program and doing the above fixed it.

If it sounds like the other one mentioned i can put in the steps to fix it if it is that which it does not sound like it is. Just let me know.

Gene nz

On 1/12/2018 2:16 AM, Tim Harshbarger wrote:
Hi,

I have a coworker who needs to be able to use NVDA and Firefox—we use it as part of our accessibility testing. Everyone else seems to be able to use NVDA 2017.3 (or 2017.4) with Firefox 57 with no problems.

However, every time he tries to use NVDA 2017.4 with Firefox 57, NVDA says the content of the page is “unknown”. He says it works ok in Chrome and IE 11. He was also having the problem with NVDA 2017.3.

So far, we have tried de-installing NVDA and re-installing it as well as de-installing Firefox and re-installing it. Neither action fixed the problem.

Has anyone else run into this problem and been able to resolve it? If not, does anyone have any suggestions for what we might try next?

Thanks,
Tim



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Re: Unknown Content in Firefox

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In my case it was basically impossible to go into 'a mode' so to speak though the pull down menus all worked it seemed the main screen was not seen as Mozilla type browser window at all.

I eventually gave up, and back tracked to the esr version, but as in my previous post yesterday, I may try 58 as they obviously have had a few people with that issue and think they have it sussed.
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From: "Adriani Botez" <adriani.botez@...>
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Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 5:25 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Unknown Content in Firefox


Does this issue occur when using NVDA in browse mode? Or only in focus mode? Or both?

Best
Adriani


Von meinem iPhone gesendet

Am 12.01.2018 um 14:58 schrieb Tim Harshbarger <tim.harshbarger.cqwg@...>:

I had my colleague check to see if NVDA could access the menu bar in Firefox. He was able to do that and NVDA read the menu items correctly. He also does not experience the problem when he uses Chrome or Internet Explorer 11. We also have other people using NVDA with Firefox 57 and they are not reporting problems. In fact, in a meeting with our team on Wednesday, I asked if anyone else was running into the problem and no one else was. My colleague did say that one of the developers he works with is having the same problem.

He has tried deleting and re-installing both NVDA 2017.4 and Firefox 57 and then re-installing them. He says he believes that removing NVDA didn’t remove everything because when he re-installed it immediately started using the software synthesizer he had previously switched to using. I don’t know if he deleted the Firefox settings when he removed and re-installed Firefox 57—I will mention that to him today.

Based on what everyone has said so far, it doesn’t sound like it should be the DLL’s. However, I may suggest he try options related to the DLL’s (if deleting the Firefox settings doesn’t work) since nothing else has worked so far.

While he can still conduct testing using Chrome and IE, I really want to help him fix it so he can use Firefox—since NVDA and Firefox are the screen reader/browser combination we tend to use as the core of our accessibility testing.only

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2018 3:43 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Unknown Content in Firefox

I'm not sure. If the dlls are unregistered, does that cause the same problems in Chrome and Internet Explorer? If so, and if these other browsers work properly, then there would be no point in registering the dll files and my guess about the cause of the problem is incorrect.

Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Gene New Zealand
Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2018 3:06 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Unknown Content in Firefox

Hi Tim



If it said some thing like unknown under the running programs part on the task bar when you went across the icons or it spoke nothing as you arrowed down the applications menu then i would guess some dlls have been unregistered.


You would also get unknown or pane in your browser or most browsers instead of edge on windows 10.

I do have a page on on my website that may help but do not think it is that bug.

When you uninstalled mozilla fire fox was there any bookmarks you really needed there?

If not some times a uninstall of mozilla fire fox in windows then doing the following will fix the problem.

Press the windows key + letter R then the run dialogue will come up. In it type the following %appdata% then press the enter key. Locate the folder for I am not sure what the foler would be called but on my machine it is called mozilla the folder will have to be deleted out then close the screen with the alt + f4 key. You have just deleted out the settings for mozilla fire fox. I am sure that is what it will be called on your machine.

Now reinstall mozilla fire fox and hopefully that would fix the problem.

I had some ting like that happen a couple of years back only on that program and doing the above fixed it.

If it sounds like the other one mentioned i can put in the steps to fix it if it is that which it does not sound like it is. Just let me know.

Gene nz

On 1/12/2018 2:16 AM, Tim Harshbarger wrote:
Hi,

I have a coworker who needs to be able to use NVDA and Firefox—we use it as part of our accessibility testing. Everyone else seems to be able to use NVDA 2017.3 (or 2017.4) with Firefox 57 with no problems.

However, every time he tries to use NVDA 2017.4 with Firefox 57, NVDA says the content of the page is “unknown”. He says it works ok in Chrome and IE 11. He was also having the problem with NVDA 2017.3.

So far, we have tried de-installing NVDA and re-installing it as well as de-installing Firefox and re-installing it. Neither action fixed the problem.

Has anyone else run into this problem and been able to resolve it? If not, does anyone have any suggestions for what we might try next?

Thanks,
Tim



--

Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or location) is near to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.