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Re: DECtalk Synthesizer

 

My last word on this will be to see this topic in ANATAD:  https://groups.google.com/g/anatad/c/wiarx0UGvkg/m/3X9NW5aICAAJ
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Re: DECtalk Synthesizer

Don H
 

So I found a NVDA addon called DECtalk py3.nvda-addon.  Is this a legal addon?  It works well with NVDA 2020.2 but I will remove it if it isn't legal.

On 8/19/2020 4:28 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
Has anyone here tried the NV Speech Player Add-On?
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Re: DECtalk Synthesizer

 

Mind you you could technically make any synth sing if you had a vocoder plugin.



On 20/08/2020 9:28 am, Brian Vogel wrote:
Has anyone here tried the NV Speech Player Add-On?
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Re: DECtalk Synthesizer

 

Hmmm I have, but I can't say I care for it that much.

Though to be truthfull espeak, and my sapi high quality vocaliser and eloquence are enough to handle here.

I haven't as yet fully pushed that addon.

Though I don't know if that would be able to sing.



On 20/08/2020 9:28 am, Brian Vogel wrote:
Has anyone here tried the NV Speech Player Add-On?
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Re: DECtalk Synthesizer

 

To be honest I am not sure if anyone actually gives a damn about this.

I used to like this when dectalk had its archive but thats a static thing now.

I suspect that while dectalk itself is not exactly used that for those musicians on there and others there are better ways to get something to sing.

Dectalk was really good in its day, don't get me wrong and through the early 2000s it kept going.

But I have heard plugins in logic and reeper for example to make chipmusic and have some soundfonts sounding like various consoles.

There is a plugin called chipspeak I think which you can use to make synthesised speech singing.

There are actual singing synths about to.

Point is, dectalk had its day.

There are software and hardware packages similar to it in some respects and not others.

To be honest, the fact dectalk usb costs a lot about 600 bucks last I checked and with no more serial ports pluss well the rest of the yesteryear stuff well who knows.

I mean I have the really low quality dectalk sapi synth but if you ever get eloquence installed either from code factory or an old sapi4 gwmicro windows eyes disk, or even old viavoice you have dectalk to an extent.

And since I have named at least 3 synths that can emulate one I wouldn't put it much to a stretch that the klatt and other methods used are probably emulated.

I mean if someone made a dectalk soundfont or instrument and maybe there is somewhere, we just don't know, its going to be easier to run that.

Back in windows xp days, when I did have a serial port and old keynote and dectalk synths I tried to run them with supernova.

While the gold did actually work and did eventually speak with ssil, the dec wouldn't it got locked up with detection, and then supernova sounded strange till I fiddled with it.

If I tried it again, it would totally screw over windows and I'd have to do a full in those time reformat.

After doing about 3 to 5 tries and about 6 or so reformats I came to the conclusion that, because the dectalk was trying to access the serial directly and the hardware abstraction layer just doesn't like that in fact some time ago past windows 98 microsoft really doesn't want hardware communicating directly with other hardware it was a no go.

Its why I no longer have any hardware synths.

Now if someone is willing to colaberate with me with this, actually get an old system, maybe I get xp vm on here though I have no system with a serial port, maybe win98 or something and an old coppy of hal 5, I do have an old copy of fully legal hal5 here I could contribute to this and are willing to talk on my podcast about setting this up then fine.

However its a tall order especially with covid.

I'm not buying usb dectalk for a doodle.

If there is anything I miss with serial synths as supposed to software, is I had a better time on linux with one.



On 20/08/2020 8:42 am, Jesse Farquharson wrote:

I desperately hope there is. I held off upgrading to 2019.3 because it wouldn't be available. Before I did, I also made a copy of my 2019.2.1 configuration, specifically for DecTalk. Someone please port this to 2019.3+ if you can... seriously. I love the singing functionality.


Re: DECtalk Synthesizer

Jesse Farquharson
 

I tried NV Speech Player for all of five minutes. Could hardly understand a word. And as far as I know, it doesn't sing either.


Re: DECtalk Synthesizer

 

Has anyone here tried the NV Speech Player Add-On?
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Re: DECtalk Synthesizer

Jesse Farquharson
 

I desperately hope there is. I held off upgrading to 2019.3 because it wouldn't be available. Before I did, I also made a copy of my 2019.2.1 configuration, specifically for DecTalk. Someone please port this to 2019.3+ if you can... seriously. I love the singing functionality.


Re: DECtalk Synthesizer

Lino Morales
 

Diddo. I want it also.

On 8/19/2020 3:04 PM, Roger Stewart wrote:
Can you send me the link to get DecTalk?  I didn't see one on this list. I had a DecTalk add on for NVDA but it no longer works. If you have a new one, I'd love to have it.
Roger







On 8/19/2020 1:24 PM, brian wrote:
I down loaded the one that was posted today.

Brian Sackrider

On 8/19/2020 2:22 PM, Steve Matzura wrote:
Which DECtalk do you have? I'm eagerly awaiting an update to the USB driver for the DECtalk Plus I think it's called.


On 8/19/2020 2:15 PM, brian wrote:
I just tried deck talk and it's the same that I had on my reading edge. All the same voices are there. They alll sound just the way that they did back then.

Brian Sackrider







Re: DECtalk Synthesizer

Don H
 

So is there a dectalk syn that works with the latest nvda on Win 10?

On 8/19/2020 2:19 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
Gentlemen, I have retitled this topic to DECtalk synthesizer for archive purposes.  It is DECtalk, there is no 'k' after that 'C' in DEC, as it was developed by Digital Equipment Corporation (DEC) in the early 1980s (may they rest in peace, DEC equipment was the first computing equipment I ever worked on).

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A gentleman is one who never hurts anyone's feelings unintentionally.

          ~ Oscar Wilde

 


Re: DECtalk Synthesizer

 

Gentlemen, I have retitled this topic to DECtalk synthesizer for archive purposes.  It is DECtalk, there is no 'k' after that 'C' in DEC, as it was developed by Digital Equipment Corporation (DEC) in the early 1980s (may they rest in peace, DEC equipment was the first computing equipment I ever worked on).

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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041  

A gentleman is one who never hurts anyone's feelings unintentionally.

          ~ Oscar Wilde

 


Re: DECtalk Synthesizer

Roger Stewart
 

Can you send me the link to get DecTalk?  I didn't see one on this list. I had a DecTalk add on for NVDA but it no longer works. If you have a new one, I'd love to have it.
Roger

On 8/19/2020 1:24 PM, brian wrote:
I down loaded the one that was posted today.

Brian Sackrider

On 8/19/2020 2:22 PM, Steve Matzura wrote:
Which DECtalk do you have? I'm eagerly awaiting an update to the USB driver for the DECtalk Plus I think it's called.


On 8/19/2020 2:15 PM, brian wrote:
I just tried deck talk and it's the same that I had on my reading edge. All the same voices are there. They alll sound just the way that they did back then.

Brian Sackrider





Re: DECtalk Synthesizer

Don H
 

I think I am missing something here.  Is there a decktalk that works on Win 10 and NVDA?

On 8/19/2020 1:24 PM, brian wrote:
I down loaded the one that was posted today.

Brian Sackrider

On 8/19/2020 2:22 PM, Steve Matzura wrote:
Which DECtalk do you have? I'm eagerly awaiting an update to the USB driver for the DECtalk Plus I think it's called.


On 8/19/2020 2:15 PM, brian wrote:
I just tried deck talk and it's the same that I had on my reading edge. All the same voices are there. They alll sound just the way that they did back then.

Brian Sackrider







Re: Beginner's course in Python

Cearbhall O'Meadhra
 

Thanks,

 

Ill keep those references by me. I am actually about to get started with Think Python! I like the approach and so, here goes!

 

 

All the best,

 

Cearbhall

 

m +353 (0)833323487 Ph: _353 (0)1-2864623 e: cearbhall.omeadhra@...

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Fawaz Abdul rahman
Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2020 7:07 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Beginner's course in Python

 

Hi, exploring data with python is a really good book for beginners.

if you don’t want much examples, and you are good with programming may be you can checkout learn python book by tutorial points.

Also I heard thinking python is a really good one as well but I haven’t read it yet.

Good luck.

 

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From: Cearbhall O'Meadhra
Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2020 11:59 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Beginner's course in Python

 

Hi everyone,

 

I would like to learn Python. I am developed in a few other programming languages but I would like to start from scratch. I would also not like to teach myself but to participate in a group learning experience.

 

I wonder if anyone can advise me how best to proceed?

 

I would be happy with an online course, fee-paying or free, from any country as long as it is conducted in English and is fully accessible with NVDA.

 

 

All the best,

 

Cearbhall

 

m +353 (0)833323487 Ph: _353 (0)1-2864623 e: cearbhall.omeadhra@...

 

 

 

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Re: DECtalk Synthesizer

Brian Sackrider
 

I down loaded the one that was posted today.

Brian Sackrider

On 8/19/2020 2:22 PM, Steve Matzura wrote:
Which DECtalk do you have? I'm eagerly awaiting an update to the USB driver for the DECtalk Plus I think it's called.


On 8/19/2020 2:15 PM, brian wrote:
I just tried deck talk and it's the same that I had on my reading edge. All the same voices are there. They alll sound just the way that they did back then.

Brian Sackrider




Re: DECtalk Synthesizer

Steve Matzura
 

Which DECtalk do you have? I'm eagerly awaiting an update to the USB driver for the DECtalk Plus I think it's called.

On 8/19/2020 2:15 PM, brian wrote:
I just tried deck talk and it's the same that I had on my reading edge. All the same voices are there.  They alll sound just the way that they did back then.

Brian Sackrider



DECtalk Synthesizer

Brian Sackrider
 

I just tried deck talk and it's the same that I had on my reading edge.  All the same voices are there.  They alll sound just the way that they did back then.

Brian Sackrider


Re: Beginner's course in Python

Fawaz Abdul rahman
 

Hi, exploring data with python is a really good book for beginners.

if you don’t want much examples, and you are good with programming may be you can checkout learn python book by tutorial points.

Also I heard thinking python is a really good one as well but I haven’t read it yet.

Good luck.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Cearbhall O'Meadhra
Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2020 11:59 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Beginner's course in Python

 

Hi everyone,

 

I would like to learn Python. I am developed in a few other programming languages but I would like to start from scratch. I would also not like to teach myself but to participate in a group learning experience.

 

I wonder if anyone can advise me how best to proceed?

 

I would be happy with an online course, fee-paying or free, from any country as long as it is conducted in English and is fully accessible with NVDA.

 

 

All the best,

 

Cearbhall

 

m +353 (0)833323487 Ph: _353 (0)1-2864623 e: cearbhall.omeadhra@...

 

 

 

Virus-free. www.avast.com

 


Re: lion universal subtitle reader and more NVDA addon

 

Hello everyone,
I took a look at this add-on, and I'm afraid this one isn't really compatible with recent NVDA releases and other issues were found (no wonder it is labeled a "beta" at this time). Specifically:
* OCR engine: it uses OCR engine found in Windows 10. Therefore unless you are using Windows 10, you won't be able to use this add-on at all (you can configure things, but the thing that enables this add-on is missing on older Windows releases).
* It uses code fragments that are no longer supported in newer NVDA dependencies (specifically, wxPython).
Thanks.
Cheers,
Joseph

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Vaibhav Bhandari
Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2020 8:17 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] lion subtitle reader and more addon

Hi,
You can download the addon from the link given below- https://blindieconnect.net/files/lion-latest.nvda-addon

On 8/19/20, Aravind R <aravind.andhrabank@gmail.com> wrote:
add on link is not pasted boss.

On 19/08/2020, Josh Kennedy <joshknnd1982@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,
Here pasted below is the lion subtitle reader and more documentation.
My question though is, what is the very first combo box used for in
lion settings never mind I figured it out it changes how often OCR is
performed.

What is it
LION is an addon which does Automatic OCr of certain screen portions,
at a certain interval. Why do I say that it is intelligent? No, not
because I've written it, nor because the "i" makes for a nice
acronym. Since it does OCR of the same screen portion multiple times,
normally it would read the same text multiple times, which is not
very nice. So, I implemented a mechanism to skip speaking of the text
if it seems similar to the previously recognised text.
What can I do with it?
The main reason I wrote it was to read subtitles. Due to the way it
works, it can read any subtitles on the screen, including Youtube,
Netflix and other online video sites, subtitles embedded in AVI
files, and even live tV!
Make sure to set the video to full screen when using it, as it works
like sighted eyes do. It needs big text for better performance. The
quality won't be perfect, try to set the font of the subtitles as
large as possible, if you have the option, and use a high resolution
screen. The OCR engine it uses is not perfect. It may have inferior
results on certain images.
Other than that, It can be used to monitor any inaccessible text on
the screen, like video game menus. It won't tell you highlighted
text, unfortunately.
How do I use it?
To launch it with default options, just press NVDA+alt+l. LION will
start OCR of the whole screen at a 1 second interval, speaking only
when the text changes. Hopefully. :) If you want to customize its
behaviour, go to the NVDA Menu, Preferences, LION settings. For
example, a video file might have a logo in the upper left corner that
gets read along with the subtitle, and disrupts the experience. We'll
see how to fix this in the next section.
LION has the following settings:
1. OCR interval: how often the program does OCR. Takes values from
0.1 second to 10 seconds.
2. OCR target: specifies the screen portion to OCR. Options are:
current control, current window, navigator object, and full screen 3.
Crop pixels from above, below, right, left. In full screen mode,
those four fields allow you to crop sections from the screen from
being scanned.
Those settings work only in full screen and current window modes.
Why is this setting useful? Let's remember the logo example above.
Just crop 10% or so from above to skip the logo, and you won't hear
it. Actually, to make the recognition faster and less resource
intensive, you can crop like 70% from above, since subtitles are
usually found in the lower third of the screen.
what's new
version 1.11
Fixed a bug, mainly observed in youtube fullscreen.
version 1.1
1. the crop settings affect the current window mode, too 2.
implemented a similarity threshold setting, mainlly useful in games.
LION
always compares the current text with the one which has been spoken
previously. If it thinks the text hasn't changed, it doesn't speak.
This setting controls how aggressive LION is in comparing texts. 0
means all texts are identical, practically rendering the addon
unusable. 1 will read all texts, even if they are the same. The
default is 0.5.
version 1.0
initial version
Who wrote this, how often will I see updates?
My name is Stefan Moisei, a blind programmer trying to survive in an
East European country, Romania, who has a lot to catch up to get to
an occidental level. LION, and other blind specific software are just
a hobby for me, developed in my spare time. So, I'm afraid updates
won't come too often.
But
if you can code, this is NVDA, so the source is right there. :)

Sent from Mail for Windows 10





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Re: lion universal subtitle reader and more NVDA addon

Vaibhav Bhandari
 

Hi,
You can download the addon from the link given below-
https://blindieconnect.net/files/lion-latest.nvda-addon

On 8/19/20, Aravind R <aravind.andhrabank@gmail.com> wrote:
add on link is not pasted boss.

On 19/08/2020, Josh Kennedy <joshknnd1982@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,
Here pasted below is the lion subtitle reader and more documentation. My
question though is, what is the very first combo box used for in lion
settings never mind I figured it out it changes how often OCR is
performed.

What is it
LION is an addon which does Automatic OCr of certain screen portions, at
a
certain interval. Why do I say that it is intelligent? No, not because
I've
written it, nor because the "i" makes for a nice acronym. Since it does
OCR
of the same screen portion multiple times, normally it would read the
same
text multiple times, which is not very nice. So, I implemented a
mechanism
to skip speaking of the text if it seems similar to the previously
recognised text.
What can I do with it?
The main reason I wrote it was to read subtitles. Due to the way it
works,
it can read any subtitles on the screen, including Youtube, Netflix and
other online video sites, subtitles embedded in AVI files, and even live
tV!
Make sure to set the video to full screen when using it, as it works like
sighted eyes do. It needs big text for better performance. The quality
won't
be perfect, try to set the font of the subtitles as large as possible, if
you have the option, and use a high resolution screen. The OCR engine it
uses is not perfect. It may have inferior results on certain images.
Other than that, It can be used to monitor any inaccessible text on the
screen, like video game menus. It won't tell you highlighted text,
unfortunately.
How do I use it?
To launch it with default options, just press NVDA+alt+l. LION will start
OCR of the whole screen at a 1 second interval, speaking only when the
text
changes. Hopefully. :) If you want to customize its behaviour, go to the
NVDA Menu, Preferences, LION settings. For example, a video file might
have
a logo in the upper left corner that gets read along with the subtitle,
and
disrupts the experience. We'll see how to fix this in the next section.
LION has the following settings:
1. OCR interval: how often the program does OCR. Takes values from 0.1
second to 10 seconds.
2. OCR target: specifies the screen portion to OCR. Options are: current
control, current window, navigator object, and full screen
3. Crop pixels from above, below, right, left. In full screen mode, those
four fields allow you to crop sections from the screen from being
scanned.
Those settings work only in full screen and current window modes.
Why is this setting useful? Let's remember the logo example above. Just
crop
10% or so from above to skip the logo, and you won't hear it. Actually,
to
make the recognition faster and less resource intensive, you can crop
like
70% from above, since subtitles are usually found in the lower third of
the
screen.
what's new
version 1.11
Fixed a bug, mainly observed in youtube fullscreen.
version 1.1
1. the crop settings affect the current window mode, too
2. implemented a similarity threshold setting, mainlly useful in games.
LION
always compares the current text with the one which has been spoken
previously. If it thinks the text hasn't changed, it doesn't speak. This
setting controls how aggressive LION is in comparing texts. 0 means all
texts are identical, practically rendering the addon unusable. 1 will
read
all texts, even if they are the same. The default is 0.5.
version 1.0
initial version
Who wrote this, how often will I see updates?
My name is Stefan Moisei, a blind programmer trying to survive in an East
European country, Romania, who has a lot to catch up to get to an
occidental
level. LION, and other blind specific software are just a hobby for me,
developed in my spare time. So, I'm afraid updates won't come too often.
But
if you can code, this is NVDA, so the source is right there. :)

Sent from Mail for Windows 10





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--
--
nothing is difficult unless you make it appear so.

r. aravind,

manager
Department of sales
bank of baroda specialised mortgage store, Chennai.
mobile no: +91 9940369593,
email id : aravind_069@yahoo.com, aravind.andhrabank@gmail.com.
aravind.rajendran@bankofbaroda.co.in.



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Thanks/regards: Vaibhav Bhandari

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