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Re: New user

Damien Garwood
 

Hi Stephen,
Firstly, welcome to the list.
As for settings...They are all a matter of preference. Anything you don't understand can be left at defaults. The documentation goes through all the settings step-by-step in case you don't feel it's working the way it ought to.
Cheers.
Damien.

-----Original Message-----
From: Stephen Costigan
Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2018 7:51 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] New user

Hi

I am new to NVDA and was wondering what are the best settings to have
enabled on NVDA.

Regards Stephen


Re: New custom NVDA Add-on. Who ask to?

Damien Garwood
 

Hi Shaun,
NVAccess itself is a registered charity. So while not a business, companies can be more or less be assured of its authenticity. What's more, they do paid support packages, and as they develop and update NVDA itself, I am sure, with appropriate funding, either from donations or as a paid service, they will be able to hire someone to script the necessary components, or else make it themselves.
As for licencing: I have actually often wondered that myself. Licences are far too legalese for me to understand the entire ins and outs, but my understanding is that the GPL forces you to make your software open source, meaning that a paid addon isn't an option unless the addon itself accesses a separate closed-source module. The GPL itself states that you can charge if you wish, but that makes no sense - if you charge someone for a piece of software, which has to be open source, then there is no copy-protection against that. I guess it means for instance if you are hired to make something which is GPL-compatible.
As it is, I don't mind. I choose NVDA over JAWS by principle, due to the fact that, not only does JAWS costs over thirty times more than a cheap monitor, but it also charges for upgrades...
I could rant on about JAWS all day - I've already had to remove four lines of ranting waffle. Bottom line is, NVDA could be closed-source and charged at £30, and I'd gladly get it. I'm not one of these "Everything has to be free!" people, but I do believe we should be able to get like for like in the field of accessibility. A screen reader gives information about the screen, so simple and idealistic logic should dictate that it should cost no more than a screen. I'm so grateful that NVDA has set a new precedence by going a few steps further and making it free and open-source, and I sincerely hope my donations over the years have proved that, at least to a degree.
Cheers.
Damien.

-----Original Message-----
From: Shaun Everiss
Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2018 1:48 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] New custom NVDA Add-on. Who ask to?

The issue is that you need to get someone that writes scripts.

He/she needs to be exposed to the program in question and there is the
issue.

I am not sure if anyone of us have some sort of professional
qualification to write scripts for businesses.

We would need to see the software.

Business x will not give some little hacker on the big internet access
to their software or computer or anything without some assurance.

They will however give access to someone that handles jaws because jaws
is the way and has been for a while and has established writers.

We do ofcause have this for ourselves, but we are not a business, we are
an opensource organisation which just so happen to be able to handle
win10 and office as well as the os itself.

I doubt we could even handle custom software.

And what happens if something goes wrong, I doubt we could last any
sueing or anything.

This is new teritory, and I don't understand it at all.

Do we want to take the next step, vfo is a large established group, it
won't be long till someone suggests jaws.

I am not saying lie down and die but do we even have a strategy to
handle this.

TO the user that said most things are java based, maybe thats what we
must focus on next then.




On 11/01/2018 2:07 p.m., Norman wrote:
Hi.

The problem here is that i don't know who to ask to build a custom addon even if i want to.

I really wish for some field labeling in a program i use a lot but who does this kind of thing?

I know almost nothing about python development and even less about the nvda development structure so getting me to learn it with the limited time i have these days is pointless.


thanks.



On 1/10/2018 4:37 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi,
I usually don't respond like the one you read below, but I think it must be said:
All I can say is, "this is 2010's." I personally WILL NOT tolerate the kinds of sentiment expressed below. Statements such as, "if you want customized and paid scripts, use JAWS", is, to me, outright unacceptable. I might add that statements like the one I paraphrased is hindrance, not hope, and it builds barriers instead of opening the doors for many. I think one of the reasons why there's really no professional uptake for NVDA (for now) is that we are too comfortable with our comfort zones, thus some may not show willingness to write professional add-ons, but that's changing.
Thus I would like to give my full support to an angel who can and is willing to write and share a custom NVDA add-on for the app in question.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss
Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2018 1:03 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] New custom NVDA Add-on. Who ask to?

Well you probably should use jaws, people in companies use jaws for that and buy jaws scripts.

Nvda is opensource, I am not sure if anyone would do a payed addon well due to the opensource nature I don't even know if the licence terms allow for someone to make a payed addon for a single user.

True we have synths but even so.




On 10/01/2018 11:19 p.m., Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
I think at the moment if this is an in house piece of software its
going to be hard to do it, as really the employer needs to contact
somebody and pay for it to be done I'd suggest. In a small market like
one company, it is I think legitimate to expect it to be paid for as
usage is unlikely to be very large.

Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Daniele Casarola"
<casaroladaniele@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2018 7:26 AM
Subject: [nvda] New custom NVDA Add-on. Who ask to?


Hi,
I'm Daniele from Italy.

I need a new add-on for NVDA to make my job accessible. I'm not a
programmer and I don't know how to do.

I've tried to send an email to the man NVDA website, but I didn't
receive answer.

Do you know somebody offering this kind of service?

Thank you very much.

Daniele.




.








New user

Stephen Costigan
 

Hi

I am new to NVDA and was wondering what are the best settings to have
enabled on NVDA.

Regards Stephen


Video Presentation

Ibrahim Ajayi
 

Hello:
I want to do a video recording of myself on youtube. Please I'll like
someone to give me some tutorial on how I can do it without sighted
assistance.
I've always done it with sighted assistance.
Hope to read from you chaps.
Thanks and cheers.
From Ibrahim.


Re: New custom NVDA Add-on. Who ask to?

 

The issue is that you need to get someone that writes scripts.

He/she needs to be exposed to the program in question and there is the issue.

I am not sure if anyone of us have some sort of professional qualification to write scripts for businesses.

We would need to see the software.

Business x will not give some little hacker on the big internet access to their software or computer or anything without some assurance.

They will however give access to someone that handles jaws because jaws is the way and has been for a while and has established writers.

We do ofcause have this for ourselves, but we are not a business, we are an opensource organisation which just so happen to be able to handle win10 and office as well as the os itself.

I doubt we could even handle custom software.

And what happens if something goes wrong, I doubt we could last any sueing or anything.

This is new teritory, and I don't understand it at all.

Do we want to take the next step, vfo is a large established group, it won't be long till someone suggests jaws.

I am not saying lie down and die but do we even have a strategy to handle this.

TO the user that said most things are java based, maybe thats what we must focus on next then.

On 11/01/2018 2:07 p.m., Norman wrote:
Hi.

The problem here is that i don't know who to ask to build a custom addon even if i want to.

I really wish for some field labeling in a program i use a lot but who does this kind of thing?

I know almost nothing about python development and even less about the nvda development structure so getting me to learn it with the limited time i have these days is pointless.


thanks.



On 1/10/2018 4:37 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi,
I usually don't respond like the one you read below, but I think it must be said:
All I can say is, "this is 2010's." I personally WILL NOT tolerate the kinds of sentiment expressed below. Statements such as, "if you want customized and paid scripts, use JAWS", is, to me, outright unacceptable. I might add that statements like the one I paraphrased is hindrance, not hope, and it builds barriers instead of opening the doors for many. I think one of the reasons why there's really no professional uptake for NVDA (for now) is that we are too comfortable with our comfort zones, thus some may not show willingness to write professional add-ons, but that's changing.
Thus I would like to give my full support to an angel who can and is willing to write and share a custom NVDA add-on for the app in question.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss
Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2018 1:03 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] New custom NVDA Add-on. Who ask to?

Well you probably should use jaws, people in companies use jaws for that and buy jaws scripts.

Nvda is opensource, I am not sure if anyone would do a payed addon well due to the opensource nature I don't even know if the licence terms allow for someone to make a payed addon for a single user.

True we have synths but even so.




On 10/01/2018 11:19 p.m., Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
I think at the moment if this is an in house piece of software its
going to be hard to do it, as really the employer needs to contact
somebody and pay for it to be done I'd suggest. In a small market like
one company, it is I think legitimate to expect it to be paid for as
usage is unlikely to be very large.

Brian

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Please address personal email to:-
briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Daniele Casarola"
<casaroladaniele@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2018 7:26 AM
Subject: [nvda] New custom NVDA Add-on. Who ask to?


Hi,
I'm Daniele from Italy.

I need a new add-on for NVDA to make my job accessible. I'm not a
programmer and I don't know how to do.

I've tried to send an email to the man NVDA website, but I didn't
receive answer.

Do you know somebody offering this kind of service?

Thank you very much.

Daniele.




.







Re: New custom NVDA Add-on. Who ask to?

 

Fair enough.

My issue would be for a bit of software no one would use as such, being that nvda bar maybe some synths is opensource software.

Now what would be a good price for some custom software for someone to use taking in mind that we are not talking about jaws, if you can afford jaws then you can certainly afford the 300-1000-2000 pluss for scripts.

But this is not jaws and its own language, this is nvda on python, using free tools for the most part.

Synths have cost up to 120 or 130 bucks and thats fine sort of as it goes.

But even if custom scripts were made, excluding jgt and maybe a few other free ones, it would be fine bar 2 things.

1.  we are not a business or at least not one that has a dedicated group of script writers that get payed to make custom scripts.

and 2.  assuming you write something well who knows if it will benifit all.

The real reason nvda is better than jaws is that basically 99.9999999% of all software is web based or has a web component.

When I used jaws I could read desktop software quite well, and I wouldn't dream of nvda jaws has all the features etc, etc, etc same with others.

With web enabled software nvda supports a load more brousers out of the box, as well as native windows libraries, that is its strength.

Custom software will have custom controls, graphics and non standards complient code.

I once talked to a writer that did it for jaws, it was hard to handle for just jaws.

Now, nvda does not have a graphics intercept driver, a link library for getting at a screen like off screen models, and a lot of other priparitry stuff.

We rely on the os and its apis for access.

I am not saying give up, but while we have object nav others have vertual cursers and stuff, maybe we could get one of those.

A lot of the other readers have intercepters for things we have some of that but not everything.

I am unsure if that gets things harder and harder.

However this has come up which means nvda is actually being recognised by a lot of people even those in the industry some choosing nvda over others.

You are right joseph, we have been used to doing this for to long.

Jaws is for work, nvda is for home, I have never gone to work with nvda, it was always jaws and at any rate I won't be in office or anything as such.

But maybe this should be the next descussion in fact, I wander if this could be part of conference.

How will nvda handle custom software, surely it is the next step.

On 11/01/2018 12:50 p.m., Adriani Botez wrote:
Most professional custom software, even sap, uses java as basis for customization. General java support would make lots of expensive scripts obsolet. But for this, screenreader users, screen reader developers and mainstream developers have to find together. In my case, a mainstream developer just brought out an update for a finance software which made it fully accessible. This happened after tests from my side and after our company told the developer to do it. It cost only 2 project days. But considering that our company is a customer of those developers, the update was included in our budget and so, this was very cheap. As a long time customer, our company had a good position in the discussion. I am sure this is the case for most companies with custom software because in this case the relationship between company and its external software developers / consultants must be very strong and of long term nature.

Best
Adriani


Von meinem iPhone gesendet

Am 11.01.2018 um 00:26 schrieb Shaun Everiss <@smeveriss>:

Joseph the issue with any custom in house software is that by its vary nature it will not be shared.

Maybe we are to much in our confort zones but what is the point of opensource, sure one person maybe 2 benifit from an addon for them.

I thought the idea was that we use as much mainstream as we can.

Now something like sap I can see that but an in house company writing their software, even if they give someone permition to do scripts maybe inside maybe outside, its not likely its going to go anywhere, and that is in itself fine.

As for professional addons.

I don't know, I don't want people to get into the idea that you have to pay for a script to use a free screen reader like nvda.

On one hand though being its python they don't need anything special to do it.

Maybe there should be a semi pro version of nvda with features for businesses or something.

I guess its getting into my head that not everything even with a free reader is free.

But if we go this rout, how much should a free script cost for nvda?

It depends on the complexity for the software.

But bar synths no one has ventured out that far.

I guess I don't see any reason why we should surport the custom business market but then I come from a place where jaws did businesses.

And well who knows.

maybe I am out of date.




On 11/01/2018 10:37 a.m., Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi,
I usually don't respond like the one you read below, but I think it must be said:
All I can say is, "this is 2010's." I personally WILL NOT tolerate the kinds of sentiment expressed below. Statements such as, "if you want customized and paid scripts, use JAWS", is, to me, outright unacceptable. I might add that statements like the one I paraphrased is hindrance, not hope, and it builds barriers instead of opening the doors for many. I think one of the reasons why there's really no professional uptake for NVDA (for now) is that we are too comfortable with our comfort zones, thus some may not show willingness to write professional add-ons, but that's changing.
Thus I would like to give my full support to an angel who can and is willing to write and share a custom NVDA add-on for the app in question.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss
Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2018 1:03 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] New custom NVDA Add-on. Who ask to?

Well you probably should use jaws, people in companies use jaws for that and buy jaws scripts.

Nvda is opensource, I am not sure if anyone would do a payed addon well due to the opensource nature I don't even know if the licence terms allow for someone to make a payed addon for a single user.

True we have synths but even so.




On 10/01/2018 11:19 p.m., Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
I think at the moment if this is an in house piece of software its
going to be hard to do it, as really the employer needs to contact
somebody and pay for it to be done I'd suggest. In a small market like
one company, it is I think legitimate to expect it to be paid for as
usage is unlikely to be very large.

Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Daniele Casarola"
<casaroladaniele@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2018 7:26 AM
Subject: [nvda] New custom NVDA Add-on. Who ask to?


Hi,
I'm Daniele from Italy.

I need a new add-on for NVDA to make my job accessible. I'm not a
programmer and I don't know how to do.

I've tried to send an email to the man NVDA website, but I didn't
receive answer.

Do you know somebody offering this kind of service?

Thank you very much.

Daniele.




.



.


Re: New custom NVDA Add-on. Who ask to?

Norman <lists@...>
 

Hi.

The problem here is that i don't know who to ask to build a custom addon even if i want to.

I really wish for some field labeling in a program i use a lot but who does this kind of thing?

I know almost nothing about python development and even less about the nvda development structure so getting me to learn it with the limited time i have these days is pointless.


thanks.

On 1/10/2018 4:37 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi,
I usually don't respond like the one you read below, but I think it must be said:
All I can say is, "this is 2010's." I personally WILL NOT tolerate the kinds of sentiment expressed below. Statements such as, "if you want customized and paid scripts, use JAWS", is, to me, outright unacceptable. I might add that statements like the one I paraphrased is hindrance, not hope, and it builds barriers instead of opening the doors for many. I think one of the reasons why there's really no professional uptake for NVDA (for now) is that we are too comfortable with our comfort zones, thus some may not show willingness to write professional add-ons, but that's changing.
Thus I would like to give my full support to an angel who can and is willing to write and share a custom NVDA add-on for the app in question.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss
Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2018 1:03 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] New custom NVDA Add-on. Who ask to?

Well you probably should use jaws, people in companies use jaws for that and buy jaws scripts.

Nvda is opensource, I am not sure if anyone would do a payed addon well due to the opensource nature I don't even know if the licence terms allow for someone to make a payed addon for a single user.

True we have synths but even so.




On 10/01/2018 11:19 p.m., Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
I think at the moment if this is an in house piece of software its
going to be hard to do it, as really the employer needs to contact
somebody and pay for it to be done I'd suggest. In a small market like
one company, it is I think legitimate to expect it to be paid for as
usage is unlikely to be very large.

Brian

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Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal email to:-
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Daniele Casarola"
<casaroladaniele@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2018 7:26 AM
Subject: [nvda] New custom NVDA Add-on. Who ask to?


Hi,
I'm Daniele from Italy.

I need a new add-on for NVDA to make my job accessible. I'm not a
programmer and I don't know how to do.

I've tried to send an email to the man NVDA website, but I didn't
receive answer.

Do you know somebody offering this kind of service?

Thank you very much.

Daniele.




.




Re: New custom NVDA Add-on. Who ask to?

Adriani Botez
 

Most professional custom software, even sap, uses java as basis for customization. General java support would make lots of expensive scripts obsolet. But for this, screenreader users, screen reader developers and mainstream developers have to find together. In my case, a mainstream developer just brought out an update for a finance software which made it fully accessible. This happened after tests from my side and after our company told the developer to do it. It cost only 2 project days. But considering that our company is a customer of those developers, the update was included in our budget and so, this was very cheap. As a long time customer, our company had a good position in the discussion. I am sure this is the case for most companies with custom software because in this case the relationship between company and its external software developers / consultants must be very strong and of long term nature.

Best
Adriani


Von meinem iPhone gesendet

Am 11.01.2018 um 00:26 schrieb Shaun Everiss <@smeveriss>:

Joseph the issue with any custom in house software is that by its vary nature it will not be shared.

Maybe we are to much in our confort zones but what is the point of opensource, sure one person maybe 2 benifit from an addon for them.

I thought the idea was that we use as much mainstream as we can.

Now something like sap I can see that but an in house company writing their software, even if they give someone permition to do scripts maybe inside maybe outside, its not likely its going to go anywhere, and that is in itself fine.

As for professional addons.

I don't know, I don't want people to get into the idea that you have to pay for a script to use a free screen reader like nvda.

On one hand though being its python they don't need anything special to do it.

Maybe there should be a semi pro version of nvda with features for businesses or something.

I guess its getting into my head that not everything even with a free reader is free.

But if we go this rout, how much should a free script cost for nvda?

It depends on the complexity for the software.

But bar synths no one has ventured out that far.

I guess I don't see any reason why we should surport the custom business market but then I come from a place where jaws did businesses.

And well who knows.

maybe I am out of date.




On 11/01/2018 10:37 a.m., Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi,
I usually don't respond like the one you read below, but I think it must be said:
All I can say is, "this is 2010's." I personally WILL NOT tolerate the kinds of sentiment expressed below. Statements such as, "if you want customized and paid scripts, use JAWS", is, to me, outright unacceptable. I might add that statements like the one I paraphrased is hindrance, not hope, and it builds barriers instead of opening the doors for many. I think one of the reasons why there's really no professional uptake for NVDA (for now) is that we are too comfortable with our comfort zones, thus some may not show willingness to write professional add-ons, but that's changing.
Thus I would like to give my full support to an angel who can and is willing to write and share a custom NVDA add-on for the app in question.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss
Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2018 1:03 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] New custom NVDA Add-on. Who ask to?

Well you probably should use jaws, people in companies use jaws for that and buy jaws scripts.

Nvda is opensource, I am not sure if anyone would do a payed addon well due to the opensource nature I don't even know if the licence terms allow for someone to make a payed addon for a single user.

True we have synths but even so.




On 10/01/2018 11:19 p.m., Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
I think at the moment if this is an in house piece of software its
going to be hard to do it, as really the employer needs to contact
somebody and pay for it to be done I'd suggest. In a small market like
one company, it is I think legitimate to expect it to be paid for as
usage is unlikely to be very large.

Brian

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Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal email to:-
briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Daniele Casarola"
<casaroladaniele@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2018 7:26 AM
Subject: [nvda] New custom NVDA Add-on. Who ask to?


Hi,
I'm Daniele from Italy.

I need a new add-on for NVDA to make my job accessible. I'm not a
programmer and I don't know how to do.

I've tried to send an email to the man NVDA website, but I didn't
receive answer.

Do you know somebody offering this kind of service?

Thank you very much.

Daniele.




.




.



Re: Imulator

abdul muhamin
 

Hi. What kind of old games you want to play? I play pcsx2, snes9x, epsxe, sega mega drive, and more, there interface is accessible, but the games are not, for the game menus and dylogs, or any message, I use NVDA OCR to read, usually, I play fighting games, try it.

 

regards, Abdulmuhamin Yousaf!
head of content department at
www.blindHelp.net

 

From: Josh Kennedy
Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2018 1:37 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Imulator

 

You can play old games in talking dosbox. just google search talking dosbox and look for a result that point to batsupport.com 

 


Re: New custom NVDA Add-on. Who ask to?

 

Joseph the issue with any custom in house software is that by its vary nature it will not be shared.

Maybe we are to much in our confort zones but what is the point of opensource, sure one person maybe 2 benifit from an addon for them.

I thought the idea was that we use as much mainstream as we can.

Now something like sap I can see that but an in house company writing their software, even if they give someone permition to do scripts maybe inside maybe outside, its not likely its going to go anywhere, and that is in itself fine.

As for professional addons.

I don't know, I don't want people to get into the idea that you have to pay for a script to use a free screen reader like nvda.

On one hand though being its python they don't need anything special to do it.

Maybe there should be a semi pro version of nvda with features for businesses or something.

I guess its getting into my  head that not everything even with a free reader is free.

But if we go this rout, how much should a free script cost for nvda?

It depends on the complexity for the software.

But bar synths no one has ventured out that far.

I guess I don't see any reason why we should surport the custom business market but then I come from a place where jaws did businesses.

And well who knows.

maybe I am out of date.

On 11/01/2018 10:37 a.m., Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi,
I usually don't respond like the one you read below, but I think it must be said:
All I can say is, "this is 2010's." I personally WILL NOT tolerate the kinds of sentiment expressed below. Statements such as, "if you want customized and paid scripts, use JAWS", is, to me, outright unacceptable. I might add that statements like the one I paraphrased is hindrance, not hope, and it builds barriers instead of opening the doors for many. I think one of the reasons why there's really no professional uptake for NVDA (for now) is that we are too comfortable with our comfort zones, thus some may not show willingness to write professional add-ons, but that's changing.
Thus I would like to give my full support to an angel who can and is willing to write and share a custom NVDA add-on for the app in question.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss
Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2018 1:03 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] New custom NVDA Add-on. Who ask to?

Well you probably should use jaws, people in companies use jaws for that and buy jaws scripts.

Nvda is opensource, I am not sure if anyone would do a payed addon well due to the opensource nature I don't even know if the licence terms allow for someone to make a payed addon for a single user.

True we have synths but even so.




On 10/01/2018 11:19 p.m., Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
I think at the moment if this is an in house piece of software its
going to be hard to do it, as really the employer needs to contact
somebody and pay for it to be done I'd suggest. In a small market like
one company, it is I think legitimate to expect it to be paid for as
usage is unlikely to be very large.

Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Daniele Casarola"
<casaroladaniele@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2018 7:26 AM
Subject: [nvda] New custom NVDA Add-on. Who ask to?


Hi,
I'm Daniele from Italy.

I need a new add-on for NVDA to make my job accessible. I'm not a
programmer and I don't know how to do.

I've tried to send an email to the man NVDA website, but I didn't
receive answer.

Do you know somebody offering this kind of service?

Thank you very much.

Daniele.




.




.


Re: New custom NVDA Add-on. Who ask to?

Adriani Botez
 

That‘s why I asked what exactly is needed.

Best
Adriani


Von meinem iPhone gesendet

Am 10.01.2018 um 22:37 schrieb Joseph Lee <@joslee>:

Hi,
I usually don't respond like the one you read below, but I think it must be said:
All I can say is, "this is 2010's." I personally WILL NOT tolerate the kinds of sentiment expressed below. Statements such as, "if you want customized and paid scripts, use JAWS", is, to me, outright unacceptable. I might add that statements like the one I paraphrased is hindrance, not hope, and it builds barriers instead of opening the doors for many. I think one of the reasons why there's really no professional uptake for NVDA (for now) is that we are too comfortable with our comfort zones, thus some may not show willingness to write professional add-ons, but that's changing.
Thus I would like to give my full support to an angel who can and is willing to write and share a custom NVDA add-on for the app in question.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss
Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2018 1:03 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] New custom NVDA Add-on. Who ask to?

Well you probably should use jaws, people in companies use jaws for that and buy jaws scripts.

Nvda is opensource, I am not sure if anyone would do a payed addon well due to the opensource nature I don't even know if the licence terms allow for someone to make a payed addon for a single user.

True we have synths but even so.




On 10/01/2018 11:19 p.m., Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
I think at the moment if this is an in house piece of software its
going to be hard to do it, as really the employer needs to contact
somebody and pay for it to be done I'd suggest. In a small market like
one company, it is I think legitimate to expect it to be paid for as
usage is unlikely to be very large.

Brian

bglists@...
Sent via blueyonder.
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Daniele Casarola"
<casaroladaniele@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2018 7:26 AM
Subject: [nvda] New custom NVDA Add-on. Who ask to?


Hi,
I'm Daniele from Italy.

I need a new add-on for NVDA to make my job accessible. I'm not a
programmer and I don't know how to do.

I've tried to send an email to the man NVDA website, but I didn't
receive answer.

Do you know somebody offering this kind of service?

Thank you very much.

Daniele.




.






Re: Online Metronome accessible via NVDA

brandon
 

On 1/10/2018 1:43 PM, Chris Mullins wrote:

Hi

Does anyone know of a web site with an NVDA accessible metronome, preferably with a drum beat?

 

Cheers

Chris



Re: Foobar 2000 (was RE: [nvda] What do we like for a media player besides Winamp?)

JM Casey <crystallogic@...>
 

Cheers.
It seems like the preferences dialogue is the most difficult part of the programme. This is probably true for sighted users as well, honestly. The whole layout is just weird. You will not even see a lot of the important settings unless you click a radio button that says "all", and then the entire screen expands to include hundreds of options split into categories that you access via a list box.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of John Isige
Sent: January 10, 2018 4:38 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: Foobar 2000 (was RE: [nvda] What do we like for a media player besides Winamp?)

Thanks! I appreciate the investigation. I need to mess with Foobar more though I kind of like it, but I'm keeping my options open. Plus I usually install VLC for videos, so it would probably be handy to know my way around it, even if I don't use it as my main player.


On 1/8/2018 21:46, JM Casey wrote:
Well, that's odd. After alt-tabbing back to VLC, suddenly NVDA is able to identify elements, including the random button. I really have no idea why I could not observe this behaviour before. I sometimes have similar weirdness with JAWS where controls will not read correctly one moment, but revisiting the window later suddenly makes them visible. Damned if I know.

So John, it looks like you can actually do most of what you want with this programme, provided there's enough feedback.



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
John Isige
Sent: January 5, 2018 5:38 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: Foobar 2000 (was RE: [nvda] What do we like for a media
player besides Winamp?)

Me too, or if anybody wants to gives tips on VLC for audio playback, I can try that too. Gom Audio is gone, I loaded albums into it, it started playing, and then pretty much locked up my machine, or at least the keyboard. Nothing would work, not its context menu, Windows key-x, I couldn't switch windows, you name it. So I hit the power button to shut down, rebooted, and uninstalled it. I'm fine setting things up and customizing, but my patience is like zero right now. If it can't even do the basic thing it's supposed to, it's gone.


On 1/5/2018 16:34, JM Casey wrote:
So the thread here reminded me I wanted to try this out. I’m really
interested in getting this one going. Not sure if it’ll replace
winamp exactly as I’m quite happy with it, but it’ll be nice to have
another audio player that actually works and does everything I want it to.
That stuff from Microsoft just will never cut it, and I never did get
really used to or happy with using VLC for audio playback (still the
only video player for me).

Looking at their site, I notice there are **loads** of extensions
and plug-ins available. So I ask you foobar users – what are those
essential add-ons that you use or can recommend?

Also if I remember right from playing with it in my XP days, you
assign the keyboard commands by editing ini files. I assume all of
you have customised the programme quite extensively. Tell me about
this, just so I have a starting point here. What is your setup?






Online Metronome accessible via NVDA

Chris Mullins
 

Hi

Does anyone know of a web site with an NVDA accessible metronome, preferably with a drum beat?

 

Cheers

Chris


Re: Foobar 2000 (was RE: [nvda] What do we like for a media player besides Winamp?)

John Isige
 

Thanks! I appreciate the investigation. I need to mess with Foobar more
though I kind of like it, but I'm keeping my options open. Plus I
usually install VLC for videos, so it would probably be handy to know my
way around it, even if I don't use it as my main player.

On 1/8/2018 21:46, JM Casey wrote:
Well, that's odd. After alt-tabbing back to VLC, suddenly NVDA is able to identify elements, including the random button. I really have no idea why I could not observe this behaviour before. I sometimes have similar weirdness with JAWS where controls will not read correctly one moment, but revisiting the window later suddenly makes them visible. Damned if I know.

So John, it looks like you can actually do most of what you want with this programme, provided there's enough feedback.



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of John Isige
Sent: January 5, 2018 5:38 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: Foobar 2000 (was RE: [nvda] What do we like for a media player besides Winamp?)

Me too, or if anybody wants to gives tips on VLC for audio playback, I can try that too. Gom Audio is gone, I loaded albums into it, it started playing, and then pretty much locked up my machine, or at least the keyboard. Nothing would work, not its context menu, Windows key-x, I couldn't switch windows, you name it. So I hit the power button to shut down, rebooted, and uninstalled it. I'm fine setting things up and customizing, but my patience is like zero right now. If it can't even do the basic thing it's supposed to, it's gone.


On 1/5/2018 16:34, JM Casey wrote:
So the thread here reminded me I wanted to try this out. I’m really
interested in getting this one going. Not sure if it’ll replace winamp
exactly as I’m quite happy with it, but it’ll be nice to have another
audio player that actually works and does everything I want it to.
That stuff from Microsoft just will never cut it, and I never did get
really used to or happy with using VLC for audio playback (still the
only video player for me).

Looking at their site, I notice there are **loads** of extensions and
plug-ins available. So I ask you foobar users – what are those
essential add-ons that you use or can recommend?

Also if I remember right from playing with it in my XP days, you
assign the keyboard commands by editing ini files. I assume all of you
have customised the programme quite extensively. Tell me about this,
just so I have a starting point here. What is your setup?





Re: New custom NVDA Add-on. Who ask to?

 

Hi,
I usually don't respond like the one you read below, but I think it must be said:
All I can say is, "this is 2010's." I personally WILL NOT tolerate the kinds of sentiment expressed below. Statements such as, "if you want customized and paid scripts, use JAWS", is, to me, outright unacceptable. I might add that statements like the one I paraphrased is hindrance, not hope, and it builds barriers instead of opening the doors for many. I think one of the reasons why there's really no professional uptake for NVDA (for now) is that we are too comfortable with our comfort zones, thus some may not show willingness to write professional add-ons, but that's changing.
Thus I would like to give my full support to an angel who can and is willing to write and share a custom NVDA add-on for the app in question.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss
Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2018 1:03 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] New custom NVDA Add-on. Who ask to?

Well you probably should use jaws, people in companies use jaws for that and buy jaws scripts.

Nvda is opensource, I am not sure if anyone would do a payed addon well due to the opensource nature I don't even know if the licence terms allow for someone to make a payed addon for a single user.

True we have synths but even so.




On 10/01/2018 11:19 p.m., Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
I think at the moment if this is an in house piece of software its
going to be hard to do it, as really the employer needs to contact
somebody and pay for it to be done I'd suggest. In a small market like
one company, it is I think legitimate to expect it to be paid for as
usage is unlikely to be very large.

Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Daniele Casarola"
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To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2018 7:26 AM
Subject: [nvda] New custom NVDA Add-on. Who ask to?


Hi,
I'm Daniele from Italy.

I need a new add-on for NVDA to make my job accessible. I'm not a
programmer and I don't know how to do.

I've tried to send an email to the man NVDA website, but I didn't
receive answer.

Do you know somebody offering this kind of service?

Thank you very much.

Daniele.




.


Re: Accessible pdf

 

Unless you buy it on a convention that is.

then its 20 bucks.

On 11/01/2018 3:07 a.m., Antony Stone wrote:
KNFB reader costs US$100 for Android, iOS or Windows 10.

The licence allows you to use it on two or more devices so long as they don't
run the same operating system.

Antony.

On Wednesday 10 January 2018 at 14:43:27, Mallard wrote:

Hello,

Are you sure KNFB Reader is free?

Ciao,

Ollie

Il 10/01/2018 13:36, Nevzat Adil ha scritto:
The KNFB Reader can be downloaded free from Microsoft website. It
works with Windows 10 OS, but not lower.


Re: New custom NVDA Add-on. Who ask to?

 

Well you probably should use jaws, people in companies use jaws for that and buy jaws scripts.

Nvda is opensource, I am not sure if anyone would do a payed addon well due to the opensource nature I don't even know if the licence terms allow for someone to make a payed addon for a single user.

True we have synths but even so.

On 10/01/2018 11:19 p.m., Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
I think at the moment if this is an in house piece of software its going to be hard to do it, as really the employer needs to contact somebody and pay for it to be done I'd suggest. In a small market like one company, it is I think legitimate to expect it to be paid for as usage is unlikely to be very large.

Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Daniele Casarola" <casaroladaniele@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2018 7:26 AM
Subject: [nvda] New custom NVDA Add-on. Who ask to?


Hi,
I'm Daniele from Italy.

I need a new add-on for NVDA to make my job accessible. I'm not a programmer and I don't know how to do.

I've tried to send an email to the man NVDA website, but I didn't receive answer.

Do you know somebody offering this kind of service?

Thank you very much.

Daniele.



.


Re: Welcome to NVDA 2018: a parade of popular apps

Mário Navarro
 



hi Joseph.
wow, man, simply the best!

special work!

thanks special man!


long life to Joseph Lee.

cheers.



Às 18:06 de 09/01/2018, Joseph Lee escreveu:

Hi everyone,

 

The next installment in Welcome to NVDA 2018 tutorial set is now available from www.josephsl.net/tutorials. This one (part 5) is a bit livelier than the last one, as it covers a diverse set of features, including more than 20 applications, several add-ons, and couple NVDA features.

 

Changes from 2015 edition:

 

  • Completely redone and reorganized, including division into three themes: Microsoft Office, universal apps, and other apps and tools.
  • Microsoft Word: enhancements over the years are showcased, including elements list, formatting commands, moving to next/previous spelling errors, spelling error buzzer, and a brief demonstration of braille input (complete with word echo (speak typed words, in this case, speak back-translation results from contracted braille to text).
  • Microsoft Excel: cell comments, column/row headers, and a word on using browse mode to read protected sheets.
  • Microsoft Outlook: introduction to calendar and other facilities besides sending and receiving email, address auto-completion when composing new messages.
  • Microsoft PowerPoint: creating and delivering presentations, speaker notes.
  • Universal apps: mostly first party apps are showcased (requires Windows 10 App Essentials add-on for some features).
  • Microsoft Store: completely revamped interface, keyboard navigation and object navigation.
  • Calculator: the modern version is showcased, including calculator modes, unit and currency conversions and others.
  • Alarms and Clock: running a stopwatch and countdown timer and how to deal with toast notifications.
  • Mail (universal app): basics of this app, including message composition and a note about navigation issues.
  • Skype (universal app): reviewing messages, basic shortcut keys, and how to answer incoming calls.
  • GoldWave: the new Windows Store version is used, along with looking at track information (GoldWave add-on required for additional commands).
  • StationPlaylist Studio: playlist viewer basics (for enhanced experience, install StationPlaylist Studio add-on).
  • Microsoft Visual Studio: code editor and Intelli-Sense.
  • Notepad++: basics and a live example of indentation tones.
  • Kindle for PC: reading a sample book and basic features.
  • 7-Zip and poedit: overview and 7-Zip File Manager, along with a brief visit to Poedit.
  • Command-line tools: Command Prompt, PowerShell, Windows Subsystem for Linux/Bash along with a review of review cursor basics.

 

You may notice different audio qualities for some segments, but overall, it is much better than the 2015 edition. Comments are appreciated.

Enjoy.

Cheers,

Joseph


-- 
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Re: Imulator

Josh Kennedy
 

You can play old games in talking dosbox. just google search talking dosbox and look for a result that point to batsupport.com