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Re: Facebook unhappiness

John Isige
 

Did you use paste? The addon only puts whatever you pick into the
clipboard ready for pasting, it doesn't automatically insert things for you.

On 4/10/2018 16:17, Giles Turnbull wrote:
I've installed the emoticon addin but it's not really changed
anything. It does speak the text when I read what I've typed in the
edit windo, so :) is identified as a “smiling smiley” whereas my
dictionary entry used to render that as “smiling face”. But, as soon
as I post it to Facebook it vanishes! The same effect as the example I
placed at the start of this thread.

Another curious thing is that the insert emoticon feature of the addin
doesn't seem to insert anything into FB or a notepad window. I
wouldn't expect it to insert anything but ascii emoticons like the
colon and right parenthesis for a smiley face into notepad, but I
would have expected it to put them into FB.

When other people use emojis in their FB posts FB does attempt to
describe them, such as "heavy black heart" (which always made me think
somebody was sending love on a sad matter, but which a sighted person
tole me is not a black heart at all but some version of a red heart!)
... so even with emoticon addin installed I don't seem to be any
closer to being able to use ascii smiley faces in my FB posts!

Giles


Re: Facebook unhappiness

Giles Turnbull
 

I've installed the emoticon addin but it's not really changed anything. It does speak the text when I read what I've typed in the edit windo, so :) is identified as a “smiling smiley” whereas my dictionary entry used to render that as “smiling face”. But, as soon as I post it to Facebook it vanishes! The same effect as the example I placed at the start of this thread.

Another curious thing is that the insert emoticon feature of the addin doesn't seem to insert anything into FB or a notepad window. I wouldn't expect it to insert anything but ascii emoticons like the colon and right parenthesis for a smiley face into notepad, but I would have expected it to put them into FB.

When other people use emojis in their FB posts FB does attempt to describe them, such as "heavy black heart" (which always made me think somebody was sending love on a sad matter, but which a sighted person tole me is not a black heart at all but some version of a red heart!) ... so even with emoticon addin installed I don't seem to be any closer to being able to use ascii smiley faces in my FB posts!

Giles


Re: windowsupdate spring 2018

 

So did 99.9% of the net.

No delay was schedualed it just didn't happen.

On 11/04/2018 9:10 a.m., bob jutzi wrote:
Now I'm confused.  The desktop I have Insider Preview 1803 on updated from 17127 to 17133; however, my primary machine only updated to a newer 1709 build.


Since my Insider Preview machine is the one I use for trying out new major updates, I really did think today was roll-out day.
On 4/10/2018 4:24 PM, Shaun Everiss wrote:
Well today I woke up expecting a big update.

But except for adobe flash all updates including ms office seem to be on hold.

An article suggests though that windows 1803 update has come and gone without any release.

No one has any idea, current opinions range from windows team restructure to the fact spring update 1803 doesn't exist and there is a new name being sort to a serious bug in the system.

The net seems to be super quiet to.

I just updated the workstation well 2 of them since I have a remote box here for the big update and nothing.

As to reguards to your system it depends what you have.

For the hp remote here, no drivers have been released today.

No system updates, nothing bar the standard run of the mill security protections you'd expect for a patch tuesday.

Then again, who knows.

If nothing happens by 11-12 pm my time I think we can safely take today off the list.

I don't think anything is coming today.




On 11/04/2018 1:43 a.m., Sue J. Ward wrote:
Hello. I heard the demo on accessibleworld.org about the creators update which should be out this month. I did get the windows 10 machine which I am on as of right now in January so far it is working great. When I do get the update should I do anything extra to prepare my machine for the update and make a back up of my emails and bookmarks just in case? When it is installing will I have any speech during the update so I can hear the progress? What should I use during the update so I can tell what is going on? I did read somewhere it might take a half hour for the update to install and when it is done installing will the computer restart so that I can hear NVDA come on? Just wondering what I should  do since I don't want to be with out a computer. If anyone has any answers as to what I should do and what to expect for the spring creators update please post them cause who knows maybe some one else is wondering the same thing. Thank you.
____________________________________________________________
Doctor Warns: Stop Eating This Vegetable Immediately
Gundry MD
http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3131/5accbf9a3da413f991502st03duc



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Re: NVDA still say unknown

Dave Grossoehme
 

Good Afternoon:  Your key stroke of alt+f4 won't go to the desktop for windows 7.  That's one of the actions of windows 10 that this person is referencing.

Insider Dave



On 4/6/2018 2:49 PM, Steve Gomes wrote:

No mine doesn’t take me to the desk top and never did I use windows 7. AltF4 like you sayis the keyboard short cut to close a program. My NVDA says unkown but keeps going it is no problem.

 

 

 

When you come to a fork in the road, it’s time to eat

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Friday, April 06, 2018 14:51
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA still say unknown

 

In my experience, exiting programs often doesn't take you to the desktop.  Others may wish to comment.  it's possible that, for somereason, a window is present that isn't visible to the screen-reader.  This window may be the result of a program running in the background.  Have you installed any programs or updated anything around the time the problem started?  Unless you think you have malware or have some other problem, this may well be just a change caused by something, a new program, some sort of update, something that means nothing other than that maybe a window is being displayed that makes you not return to the desktop as often as you expect. 

 

You may be hearing unknown because a window, not recognized by NVDA is getting focus.  You may get the answer most easily by having a sighted person see what's on screen when you close a program. 

 

While this may indicate a problem such as malware, it may indicate nothing except a change in something that affects screen-readers but doesn't affect anything from a sighted users' perspective. 

 

Others may have other comments and suggestions. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Friday, April 06, 2018 3:39 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA still say unknown

 

I'm talking about exiting programs. I know how to get to the desktop with alt f-4 or windows D but in the past when I've exited programs, I was taken back to the desktop.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Friday, April 6, 2018 1:34 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA still say unknown

 

What are you referring to?  You said alt f4 to get to the desktop.  Alt f4 closes programs.  It doesn't take you to the desktop.  It often leaves you nowhere.  You have to use the usual Windows key d and Windows key m to move to the desktop.  What exactly is the problem?  You said you hear unknown.  What do you do after that and what happens?

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Friday, April 06, 2018 3:29 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA still say unknown

 

Hi, Gene,

 

I'm trying narrator right now. I'll see what happens when I hit alt f-4 to get to the desktop.

 

Rosemarie

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Friday, April 6, 2018 1:04 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA still say unknown

 

Yesterday, your message appeared to indicate that you can carry out the action by issuing the command twice, as in issuing alt f4 twice.  Is that correct? 

 

Have you determined if this is an NVDA problem?  Have you tried the same commands in the same contexts using Narrator or JAWS?  Is there a need to issue them twice?  Also, have you tried an earlier version of NVDA that used to work correctly?  What happens? 

 

Just having to issue a command twice is a very easy work around.  If that's all that is necessary, this may be one of those small problems where there is a very easy work around and the time and effort involved to try to solve them isn't worth expending.  Not every problem needs to be solved.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Friday, April 06, 2018 1:58 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA still say unknown

 

Hi, Gene,

 

I tried waiting for 10 seconds and nothing happened. I don't know what else to try.

 

Rosemarie

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Friday, April 6, 2018 11:52 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA still say unknown

 

Is this a problem that means anything or is it just something being spoken that means nothing?  When you hear unknown, if you just do nothing for a number of seconds, does what you expect to happen happen? 

 

NVDA often says unknown and then, when you wait for a brief time, whatever is supposed to happen happens.  Have you tested to see what happens?  When you hear unknown, wait ten seconds to see if whatever is supposed to happen happens.  Yesterday, you said something about having to issue a program close command twice.  What we don't know is if the second time is doing anything.  If you just wait many seconds and don't do anything, you may find that what you expect to happen happens.  Part of being a good blind computer user is to know what matters and what doesn't.  So far, we don't know if this matters or is just irrelevant speech.

 

There may be nothing to be done at this time except to ignore it. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Friday, April 06, 2018 1:05 PM

Subject: [nvda] NVDA still say unknown

 

Hi, everyone,

 

I just updated to the latest add-on but that didn't help at all. I don't know what else to try. Any suggestions will be very much appreciated.

 

Thanks in advance.

 

Rosemarie

 

 

 



Re: windowsupdate spring 2018

bob jutzi <jutzi1@...>
 

Now I'm confused. The desktop I have Insider Preview 1803 on updated from 17127 to 17133; however, my primary machine only updated to a newer 1709 build.


Since my Insider Preview machine is the one I use for trying out new major updates, I really did think today was roll-out day.

On 4/10/2018 4:24 PM, Shaun Everiss wrote:
Well today I woke up expecting a big update.
But except for adobe flash all updates including ms office seem to be on hold.
An article suggests though that windows 1803 update has come and gone without any release.
No one has any idea, current opinions range from windows team restructure to the fact spring update 1803 doesn't exist and there is a new name being sort to a serious bug in the system.
The net seems to be super quiet to.
I just updated the workstation well 2 of them since I have a remote box here for the big update and nothing.
As to reguards to your system it depends what you have.
For the hp remote here, no drivers have been released today.
No system updates, nothing bar the standard run of the mill security protections you'd expect for a patch tuesday.
Then again, who knows.
If nothing happens by 11-12 pm my time I think we can safely take today off the list.
I don't think anything is coming today.
On 11/04/2018 1:43 a.m., Sue J. Ward wrote:
Hello. I heard the demo on accessibleworld.org about the creators update which should be out this month. I did get the windows 10 machine which I am on as of right now in January so far it is working great. When I do get the update should I do anything extra to prepare my machine for the update and make a back up of my emails and bookmarks just in case? When it is installing will I have any speech during the update so I can hear the progress? What should I use during the update so I can tell what is going on? I did read somewhere it might take a half hour for the update to install and when it is done installing will the computer restart so that I can hear NVDA come on? Just wondering what I should do since I don't want to be with out a computer. If anyone has any answers as to what I should do and what to expect for the spring creators update please post them cause who knows maybe some one else is wondering the same thing. Thank you.
____________________________________________________________
Doctor Warns: Stop Eating This Vegetable Immediately
Gundry MD
http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3131/5accbf9a3da413f991502st03duc



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Re: windowsupdate spring 2018

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

I didn't get the update either and it's a little past 2 in the afternoon here.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2018 1:25 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] windowsupdate spring 2018

Well today I woke up expecting a big update.

But except for adobe flash all updates including ms office seem to be on hold.

An article suggests though that windows 1803 update has come and gone without any release.

No one has any idea, current opinions range from windows team restructure to the fact spring update 1803 doesn't exist and there is a new name being sort to a serious bug in the system.

The net seems to be super quiet to.

I just updated the workstation well 2 of them since I have a remote box here for the big update and nothing.

As to reguards to your system it depends what you have.

For the hp remote here, no drivers have been released today.

No system updates, nothing bar the standard run of the mill security protections you'd expect for a patch tuesday.

Then again, who knows.

If nothing happens by 11-12 pm my time I think we can safely take today off the list.

I don't think anything is coming today.




On 11/04/2018 1:43 a.m., Sue J. Ward wrote:
Hello. I heard the demo on accessibleworld.org about the creators
update which should be out this month. I did get the windows 10
machine which I am on as of right now in January so far it is working
great. When I do get the update should I do anything extra to prepare
my machine for the update and make a back up of my emails and
bookmarks just in case? When it is installing will I have any speech
during the update so I can hear the progress? What should I use during
the update so I can tell what is going on? I did read somewhere it
might take a half hour for the update to install and when it is done
installing will the computer restart so that I can hear NVDA come on?
Just wondering what I should do since I don't want to be with out a
computer. If anyone has any answers as to what I should do and what to
expect for the spring creators update please post them cause who knows
maybe some one else is wondering the same thing. Thank you.
____________________________________________________________
Doctor Warns: Stop Eating This Vegetable Immediately Gundry MD
http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3131/5accbf9a3da413f991502st03duc



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Re: slightly off topic from nvda does anyone know how to use android phones

Mallard
 

Hello,


May I post your message to


eyes-free@googlegroups.com ?


It's a very high-traffic mailing list, therefore, i fyou don't feel like subscribing, I can't blame you.


I'll forward our message and then, fi I get any replies, I'll forward them to you off-list, if that suits you.


Please, contact me at


mallard@kimabe.eu


to let me know if I should proceed.

Ciao, hth,

Ollie

Il 10/04/2018 16:51, ADRIAN POCOCK ha scritto:
I have an issue with android phone os 7 magnification gestures are enabled but when i invoke magnification it keeps popping up message to tell me it is going to be used.
you can click box to ignore in future but this doesnt seem to make much difference.

My email is ampbeast@live.co.uk <mailto:ampbeast@live.co.uk> if anyone has any info on suchh a problem.

Best Regards to all here.
Adrian Pocock


Re: slightly off topic from nvda does anyone know how to use android phones

Mallard
 

Hello,


N... Nobody will answer from InclusiveAndroid...

That's only a site where you find podcasts and app reviews.


Ciao,

Ollie

Il 10/04/2018 17:46, erik burggraaf ha scritto:

Hi,  I don't have an answer, but you can post your question on www.inclusiveandroid.com <http://www.inclusiveandroid.com> and some one may be able to help.  Make sure you include your device make and model as well as android version.

Best,

Erik

On April 10, 2018 10:52:36 AM "ADRIAN POCOCK" <ampbeast@live.co.uk> wrote:

I have an issue with android phone os 7 magnification gestures are enabled but when i invoke magnification it keeps popping up message to tell me it is going to be used.
you can click box to ignore in future but this doesnt seem to make much difference.

My email is ampbeast@live.co.uk <mailto:ampbeast@live.co.uk> if anyone has any info on suchh a problem.

Best Regards to all here.
Adrian Pocock


Re: windowsupdate spring 2018

 

Hmph its not anywhere.

A friend reported the update as of sunday but not sure how they got it.

Windows update doesn't have it in assistant I have a newer remote 7th gen and a 4th gen here, update assistant doesn't have anything.

On 11/04/2018 5:11 a.m., bob jutzi wrote:
It's here.
Just did an Update check on my Dell Optiplex rrunning Insider which found and installed Spring Creaters Update.

On 4/10/2018 12:27 PM, bob jutzi wrote:
Thanks.  I'll check throughout the day.

On 4/10/2018 12:10 PM, matthew dyer wrote:
Rool out begins today.  I would guess sometime after 1 p.m eastern time.  HTH.

Matthew



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Holger Fiallo
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2018 11:38 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] windowsupdate spring 2018

When is the update coming out? Checked and nothing so far.

-----Original Message-----
From: bob jutzi
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2018 10:05 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] windowsupdate spring 2018

For those who haven't tried the latest Windows 1803 Insider, there's a new app called Cortana Show Me which is extremely nice for anyone new to Windows 10.  It's a step-by-step video guide using Cortana for changing settings and works very well with NVDA.  As of yet, you can't use your voice, however, after installing from the App store and launching Cortana Show me, tab over to and choose Settings category, tab over to a second list containing individual settings.  Once you hit Enter, Cortana will both give you step-by-step instructions on changing a setting as well as walk you through it.  Rather cool.

On 4/10/2018 10:22 AM, bob jutzi wrote:
That shouldn't be necessary.  I'm running the latest Insider of 1803
with no problems.  it's build 17133.

On 4/10/2018 9:43 AM, Sue J. Ward wrote:
Hello. I heard the demo on accessibleworld.org about the creators
update which should be out this month. I did get the windows 10
machine which I am on as of right now in January so far it is working
great. When I do get the update should I do anything extra to prepare
my machine for the update and make a back up of my emails and
bookmarks just in case? When it is installing will I have any speech
during the update so I can hear the progress? What should I use
during the update so I can tell what is going on? I did read
somewhere it might take a half hour for the update to install and
when it is done installing will the computer restart so that I can
hear NVDA come on? Just wondering what I should  do since I don't
want to be with out a computer. If anyone has any answers as to what
I should do and what to expect for the spring creators update please
post them cause who knows maybe some one else is wondering the same thing. Thank you.
____________________________________________________________
Doctor Warns: Stop Eating This Vegetable Immediately Gundry MD
http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3131/5accbf9a3da413f991502st03duc













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Re: windowsupdate spring 2018

 

Its not coming out.

I  can only assume something is delaying it.

On 11/04/2018 3:37 a.m., Holger Fiallo wrote:
When is the update coming out? Checked and nothing so far.

-----Original Message----- From: bob jutzi
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2018 10:05 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] windowsupdate spring 2018

For those who haven't tried the latest Windows 1803 Insider, there's a
new app called Cortana Show Me which is extremely nice for anyone new to
Windows 10.  It's a step-by-step video guide using Cortana for changing
settings and works very well with NVDA.  As of yet, you can't use your
voice, however, after installing from the App store and launching
Cortana Show me, tab over to and choose Settings category, tab over to a
second list containing individual settings.  Once you hit Enter, Cortana
will both give you step-by-step instructions on changing a setting as
well as walk you through it.  Rather cool.

On 4/10/2018 10:22 AM, bob jutzi wrote:
That shouldn't be necessary.  I'm running the latest Insider of 1803 with no problems.  it's build 17133.

On 4/10/2018 9:43 AM, Sue J. Ward wrote:
Hello. I heard the demo on accessibleworld.org about the creators update which should be out this month. I did get the windows 10 machine which I am on as of right now in January so far it is working great. When I do get the update should I do anything extra to prepare my machine for the update and make a back up of my emails and bookmarks just in case? When it is installing will I have any speech during the update so I can hear the progress? What should I use during the update so I can tell what is going on? I did read somewhere it might take a half hour for the update to install and when it is done installing will the computer restart so that I can hear NVDA come on? Just wondering what I should  do since I don't want to be with out a computer. If anyone has any answers as to what I should do and what to expect for the spring creators update please post them cause who knows maybe some one else is wondering the same thing. Thank you.
____________________________________________________________
Doctor Warns: Stop Eating This Vegetable Immediately
Gundry MD
http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3131/5accbf9a3da413f991502st03duc







.


Re: windowsupdate spring 2018

 

Well today I woke up expecting a big update.

But except for adobe flash all updates including ms office seem to be on hold.

An article suggests though that windows 1803 update has come and gone without any release.

No one has any idea, current opinions range from windows team restructure to the fact spring update 1803 doesn't exist and there is a new name being sort to a serious bug in the system.

The net seems to be super quiet to.

I just updated the workstation well 2 of them since I have a remote box here for the big update and nothing.

As to reguards to your system it depends what you have.

For the hp remote here, no drivers have been released today.

No system updates, nothing bar the standard run of the mill security protections you'd expect for a patch tuesday.

Then again, who knows.

If nothing happens by 11-12 pm my time I think we can safely take today off the list.

I don't think anything is coming today.

On 11/04/2018 1:43 a.m., Sue J. Ward wrote:
Hello. I heard the demo on accessibleworld.org about the creators update which should be out this month. I did get the windows 10 machine which I am on as of right now in January so far it is working great. When I do get the update should I do anything extra to prepare my machine for the update and make a back up of my emails and bookmarks just in case? When it is installing will I have any speech during the update so I can hear the progress? What should I use during the update so I can tell what is going on? I did read somewhere it might take a half hour for the update to install and when it is done installing will the computer restart so that I can hear NVDA come on? Just wondering what I should  do since I don't want to be with out a computer. If anyone has any answers as to what I should do and what to expect for the spring creators update please post them cause who knows maybe some one else is wondering the same thing. Thank you.
____________________________________________________________
Doctor Warns: Stop Eating This Vegetable Immediately
Gundry MD
http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3131/5accbf9a3da413f991502st03duc


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Re: slightly off topic from nvda does anyone know how to use android phones

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

There is a list on groups.io called blindphones or similar, and i suspect you might find that more useful.
Brian

bglists@blueyonder.co.uk
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal E-mail to:-
briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.

----- Original Message -----
From: "ADRIAN POCOCK" <ampbeast@live.co.uk>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2018 3:51 PM
Subject: [nvda] slightly off topic from nvda does anyone know how to use android phones


I have an issue with android phone os 7 magnification gestures are enabled but when i invoke magnification it keeps popping up message to tell me it is going to be used.
you can click box to ignore in future but this doesnt seem to make much difference.

My email is ampbeast@live.co.uk if anyone has any info on suchh a problem.

Best Regards to all here.
Adrian Pocock


Re: windowsupdate spring 2018

Holger Fiallo <hfiallo@...>
 

So this mean that the new W19 is not install yet? Since I have 1709?

-----Original Message-----
From: Rui Fontes
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2018 1:38 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] windowsupdate spring 2018

I have received today a Windows 10 update, but still running version 1709...

Rui


Às 19:29 de 10/04/2018, Rosemarie Chavarria escreveu:
I don't know if I got my update yet. I'm patiently waiting for it though.



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of bob
jutzi
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2018 10:11 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] windowsupdate spring 2018

It's here.
Just did an Update check on my Dell Optiplex rrunning Insider which found
and installed Spring Creaters Update.

On 4/10/2018 12:27 PM, bob jutzi wrote:
Thanks. I'll check throughout the day.

On 4/10/2018 12:10 PM, matthew dyer wrote:
Rool out begins today. I would guess sometime after 1 p.m eastern
time. HTH.

Matthew



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Holger
Fiallo
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2018 11:38 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] windowsupdate spring 2018

When is the update coming out? Checked and nothing so far.

-----Original Message-----
From: bob jutzi
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2018 10:05 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] windowsupdate spring 2018

For those who haven't tried the latest Windows 1803 Insider, there's
a new app called Cortana Show Me which is extremely nice for anyone
new to Windows 10. It's a step-by-step video guide using Cortana for
changing settings and works very well with NVDA. As of yet, you
can't use your voice, however, after installing from the App store
and launching Cortana Show me, tab over to and choose Settings
category, tab over to a second list containing individual settings.
Once you hit Enter, Cortana will both give you step-by-step
instructions on changing a setting as well as walk you through it.
Rather cool.

On 4/10/2018 10:22 AM, bob jutzi wrote:
That shouldn't be necessary. I'm running the latest Insider of 1803
with no problems. it's build 17133.

On 4/10/2018 9:43 AM, Sue J. Ward wrote:
Hello. I heard the demo on accessibleworld.org about the creators
update which should be out this month. I did get the windows 10
machine which I am on as of right now in January so far it is
working great. When I do get the update should I do anything extra
to prepare my machine for the update and make a back up of my
emails and bookmarks just in case? When it is installing will I
have any speech during the update so I can hear the progress? What
should I use during the update so I can tell what is going on? I
did read somewhere it might take a half hour for the update to
install and when it is done installing will the computer restart so
that I can hear NVDA come on? Just wondering what I should do
since I don't want to be with out a computer. If anyone has any
answers as to what I should do and what to expect for the spring
creators update please post them cause who knows maybe some one
else is wondering the same thing. Thank you.
____________________________________________________________
Doctor Warns: Stop Eating This Vegetable Immediately Gundry MD
http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3131/5accbf9a3da413f991502st03d
uc



















Re: windowsupdate spring 2018

Hicks Steven (CORNWALL IT SERVICES) <steven.hicks@...>
 

Yes, that is supposed to be a new feature which should be really helpful!

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
Sent: 10 April 2018 19:46
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] windowsupdate spring 2018

Is this the one which has audio support in safe mode. Been hearing a lot about this, funny as we all modified the registry as far back as xp to do this already grin.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "bob jutzi" <jutzi1@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2018 3:22 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] windowsupdate spring 2018


That shouldn't be necessary. I'm running the latest Insider of 1803 with
no problems. it's build 17133.

On 4/10/2018 9:43 AM, Sue J. Ward wrote:
Hello. I heard the demo on accessibleworld.org about the creators update
which should be out this month. I did get the windows 10 machine which I
am on as of right now in January so far it is working great. When I do
get the update should I do anything extra to prepare my machine for the
update and make a back up of my emails and bookmarks just in case? When
it is installing will I have any speech during the update so I can hear
the progress? What should I use during the update so I can tell what is
going on? I did read somewhere it might take a half hour for the update
to install and when it is done installing will the computer restart so
that I can hear NVDA come on? Just wondering what I should do since I
don't want to be with out a computer. If anyone has any answers as to
what I should do and what to expect for the spring creators update please
post them cause who knows maybe some one else is wondering the same
thing. Thank you.
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Re: NVDA still say unknown

Dave Grossoehme
 

Good Morning:  I'm sorry I'm laate on reading this tread.  However, I've had this problem sometime and nothing happens.  If nothing occurs after a number of seconds, then, I press the application key and arrow down to refresh and hit the enter key and I'm back in action as far as to where I should be.

Insider Dave



On 4/6/2018 11:52 AM, Gene wrote:
Is this a problem that means anything or is it just something being spoken that means nothing?  When you hear unknown, if you just do nothing for a number of seconds, does what you expect to happen happen? 
 
NVDA often says unknown and then, when you wait for a brief time, whatever is supposed to happen happens.  Have you tested to see what happens?  When you hear unknown, wait ten seconds to see if whatever is supposed to happen happens.  Yesterday, you said something about having to issue a program close command twice.  What we don't know is if the second time is doing anything.  If you just wait many seconds and don't do anything, you may find that what you expect to happen happens.  Part of being a good blind computer user is to know what matters and what doesn't.  So far, we don't know if this matters or is just irrelevant speech.
 
There may be nothing to be done at this time except to ignore it. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, April 06, 2018 1:05 PM
Subject: [nvda] NVDA still say unknown

Hi, everyone,

 

I just updated to the latest add-on but that didn't help at all. I don't know what else to try. Any suggestions will be very much appreciated.

 

Thanks in advance.

 

Rosemarie

 

 

 



Re: windowsupdate spring 2018

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Is this the one which has audio support in safe mode. Been hearing a lot about this, funny as we all modified the registry as far back as xp to do this already grin.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "bob jutzi" <jutzi1@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2018 3:22 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] windowsupdate spring 2018


That shouldn't be necessary. I'm running the latest Insider of 1803 with no problems. it's build 17133.

On 4/10/2018 9:43 AM, Sue J. Ward wrote:
Hello. I heard the demo on accessibleworld.org about the creators update which should be out this month. I did get the windows 10 machine which I am on as of right now in January so far it is working great. When I do get the update should I do anything extra to prepare my machine for the update and make a back up of my emails and bookmarks just in case? When it is installing will I have any speech during the update so I can hear the progress? What should I use during the update so I can tell what is going on? I did read somewhere it might take a half hour for the update to install and when it is done installing will the computer restart so that I can hear NVDA come on? Just wondering what I should do since I don't want to be with out a computer. If anyone has any answers as to what I should do and what to expect for the spring creators update please post them cause who knows maybe some one else is wondering the same thing. Thank you.
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Re: Improper Reading Of Tables On ESPN Major League Baseball Standings Page

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That sort of idiocy is happening all over the place. Even Github is using it to find out more about contributors by hovering over them.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <gsasner@ripco.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2018 3:23 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Improper Reading Of Tables On ESPN Major League Baseball Standings Page


I think the tables are being read properly. The page has, evidently, changed. I see the same thing with older versions of NVDA and Firefox. In addition, I looked at the table without using table commands. No additional information is presented in the table looking at it without using table commands. If the table contained other columns, they would have been readable somewhere in the table.

The question is, do you now need to hover a mouse over a team name or get the information in some other way?

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Ron Canazzi
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2018 8:35 AM
To: NVDA Mailing List
Subject: [nvda] Improper Reading Of Tables On ESPN Major League Baseball Standings Page


Hi Group,


If you visit the address: http://www.espn.com/mlb/standings

tables for this page are not rendered properly. What you get is a table
with 18 rows and 1 column that contains the team name only in one column
and no navigation is possible for determining the records and
statistics. This table is followed by a series of tables containing the
statistics. This renders standard table navigation keystrokes (control
+ alt + left/right/up/down arrows) useless. I believe this is new in
NVDA 2018.1.1. I did not notice this as recently as last January with
the NFL standings on ESPN nor was the bug present last year in the Fall
during the baseball season.


I am using Windows 10 with latest updates and this occurs with both
Firefox and Edge browsers.


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Re: Facebook unhappiness

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

No not as such it does not.

I guess at some point this could be added using profiles.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Ervin, Glenn" <glenn.ervin@nebraska.gov>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2018 3:31 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Facebook unhappiness


Could it be that you made the dictionary for an editor program, and there is a separate dictionary for the Internet program you are using?
I know that Jaws uses program specific dictionaries, so perhaps NVDA does too.
Glenn

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Giles Turnbull
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2018 3:48 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Facebook unhappiness

Hi all,

I'm unhappy ... I'm having problems with my smiley faces! I'll use my FB post about it and include a bit of NVDA related info into it.

Giles Turnbull is feeling unhappy.
who am I unhappy with? Facebook, of course! I've noticed that when I type a smiley face with a colon and a right parenthesis, Facebook has started stripping that out of my post or comment. It'd be fine if it was doing some techno jiggery pokery and turning it into a propper emoji but,as far as I can tell, it isn't!
Sod's law says as I try to prove the point by doing it here it'll not vanish ... but normally I'll type a word followd by a space, followed by the colon and then the right parenthesis, and as I'm typing it NVDA tells me there is a colon and a right paren (or if I'm using say all it'll say "smiley face" since I've added that into the dictionary) ... but as soon as it posts NVDA reads the word and then a single space and that's it.

My sighted friends tell me that indeed there is a smiling face so FB IS converting it, but why does my NVDA not identify that there is a graphic or even one of those characters that are silent but you know they are there (like accented characters)?

Here's the transcript from the speech viewer reading the FB post:

Giles Turnbull is feeling unhappy.
who am I unhappy with? Facebook, of course! I've noticed that when I type a smiley face with a colon and a right parenthesis, Facebook has started stripping that out of my post or comment. It'd be fine if it was doing some techno jiggery pokery and turning it into a propper emoji but,as far as I can tell, it isn't!
Sod's law says as I try to prove the point by doing it here it'll not vanish ... but normally I'll have the space before where my colon would be, then a space where the colon should be and then the next word ...
Can anyone confirm whether there is a ascii smiley face, or a pictorial smiley face, as the last thing in this post?
55 mins

Thanks for any suggestions / observations :) ... I'm using NVDA 2018.1 on Win10 and Firefox 59.0.2 (64-bit)

Giles


Re: Improper Reading Of Tables On ESPN Major League Baseball Standings Page

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This is where an older version on the disc as portable is very handy.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Ron Canazzi" <aa2vm@roadrunner.com>
To: "NVDA Mailing List" <nvda@groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2018 2:35 PM
Subject: [nvda] Improper Reading Of Tables On ESPN Major League Baseball Standings Page


Hi Group,


If you visit the address: http://www.espn.com/mlb/standings

tables for this page are not rendered properly. What you get is a table with 18 rows and 1 column that contains the team name only in one column and no navigation is possible for determining the records and statistics. This table is followed by a series of tables containing the statistics. This renders standard table navigation keystrokes (control + alt + left/right/up/down arrows) useless. I believe this is new in NVDA 2018.1.1. I did not notice this as recently as last January with the NFL standings on ESPN nor was the bug present last year in the Fall during the baseball season.


I am using Windows 10 with latest updates and this occurs with both Firefox and Edge browsers.


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Re: windowsupdate spring 2018

Rui Fontes
 

I have received today a Windows 10 update, but still running version 1709...

Rui


Às 19:29 de 10/04/2018, Rosemarie Chavarria escreveu:

I don't know if I got my update yet. I'm patiently waiting for it though.
-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of bob jutzi
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2018 10:11 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] windowsupdate spring 2018
It's here.
Just did an Update check on my Dell Optiplex rrunning Insider which found and installed Spring Creaters Update.
On 4/10/2018 12:27 PM, bob jutzi wrote:
Thanks. I'll check throughout the day.

On 4/10/2018 12:10 PM, matthew dyer wrote:
Rool out begins today. I would guess sometime after 1 p.m eastern
time. HTH.

Matthew



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Holger
Fiallo
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2018 11:38 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] windowsupdate spring 2018

When is the update coming out? Checked and nothing so far.

-----Original Message-----
From: bob jutzi
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2018 10:05 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] windowsupdate spring 2018

For those who haven't tried the latest Windows 1803 Insider, there's
a new app called Cortana Show Me which is extremely nice for anyone
new to Windows 10. It's a step-by-step video guide using Cortana for
changing settings and works very well with NVDA. As of yet, you
can't use your voice, however, after installing from the App store
and launching Cortana Show me, tab over to and choose Settings
category, tab over to a second list containing individual settings.
Once you hit Enter, Cortana will both give you step-by-step
instructions on changing a setting as well as walk you through it. Rather cool.

On 4/10/2018 10:22 AM, bob jutzi wrote:
That shouldn't be necessary. I'm running the latest Insider of 1803
with no problems. it's build 17133.

On 4/10/2018 9:43 AM, Sue J. Ward wrote:
Hello. I heard the demo on accessibleworld.org about the creators
update which should be out this month. I did get the windows 10
machine which I am on as of right now in January so far it is
working great. When I do get the update should I do anything extra
to prepare my machine for the update and make a back up of my
emails and bookmarks just in case? When it is installing will I
have any speech during the update so I can hear the progress? What
should I use during the update so I can tell what is going on? I
did read somewhere it might take a half hour for the update to
install and when it is done installing will the computer restart so
that I can hear NVDA come on? Just wondering what I should do
since I don't want to be with out a computer. If anyone has any
answers as to what I should do and what to expect for the spring
creators update please post them cause who knows maybe some one
else is wondering the same thing. Thank you.
____________________________________________________________
Doctor Warns: Stop Eating This Vegetable Immediately Gundry MD
http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3131/5accbf9a3da413f991502st03d
uc