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Re: question about the right click button numpad star*

 

That should have been "a right click," not a CTRL+Click.  We have parallel topics right now that still have what, in my opinion, is the same solution:  use the real keys.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

The depths of denial one can be pushed to by outside forces of disapproval can make you not even recognize yourself to yourself.

       ~ Brian Vogel

 


Re: question about the right click button numpad star*

 

On Mon, Jan 11, 2021 at 11:10 AM, Gene wrote:
Are you saying you move the mouse using the NVDA mouse movement command, then click with the actual mouse click keys?
-
I'm not saying that, at least not specifically.  What I'm saying is that if you have focus on something where you need a right or left click, it makes way more sense to use a real right or left click, and nowhere is that simpler than on a laptop.

The original question had nothing to do with gaining focus on something, so I am taking that as a non-issue.  The question was how to make NVDA do a CTRL+Click (meaning left click) and what I'm saying is that if you can avoid having any need for NVDA to do it, and can just do it sans any emulation, the latter option is preferable.

And for keyboards without an applications key (and mine is one of them), the earlier advice from yourself about SHIFT+F10 being the way to bring up the context menu from the keyboard (if you're not using a real right click) is the correct one.  This is another of those instances where very, very rarely SHIFT+F10 (or hitting Applications/menu key) and right click are not equivalent, but it's so rare that it's not even worth discussing.  And in those cases I've yet to see right click not do what's wanted, but the keyboard options didn't.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

The depths of denial one can be pushed to by outside forces of disapproval can make you not even recognize yourself to yourself.

       ~ Brian Vogel

 


Re: question about the right click button numpad star*

Gene
 

Are you saying you move the mouse using the NVDA mouse movement command, then click with the actual mouse click keys? My problem is generally not clicking as provided for in NVDA, but in instances where I can't move to something using the mouse movement command for technical reasons I don't know. There are times on web pages where the move mouse to object navigator position doesn't work. I'm not saying that the NVDA mouse click commands don't have problems at times, I don't know, but in general, my problem is being able to move the mouse using the NVDA mouse movement command..

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Monday, January 11, 2021 9:12 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] question about the right click button numpad star*

On Mon, Jan 11, 2021 at 05:56 AM, tilahun muniye wrote:
The right click and application key seem similar but not at all.-
I have yet to see a single instance of where a true right click will not do exactly what hitting the applications/menu key does, but have seen a very rare few instances where hitting the applications/menu key does not do what true right click does.

I do not understand why anyone using a laptop does not simply mask off the thumb touchpad area of the full mousepad with cardboard to prevent mouse movement and use the actual left and right click keys. It's a simple thing to do, and it saves scads of heartache with emulated mouse clicks. The same thing can be done with a real mouse by putting tape over the optical port that allows it to detect movement.

I've been doing this with virtually every student I've ever had, as mouse key emulation remains far from perfect and I've had plenty of occasions where it just doesn't work. It's easy to keep access to the actual mouse left and right click keys while preventing any possibility of pointer movement.

--


Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042

The depths of denial one can be pushed to by outside forces of disapproval can make you not even recognize yourself to yourself.

~ Brian Vogel


Re: moving a chart in excel office365 with NVDA

 

Josh,

           See:  

How to move a specific chart to a new sheet in Excel?

or Copy Chart to New Sheet and Link to Data on New Sheet ...

or any one of a number of results from the search https://duckduckgo.com/?q=excel+copy+chart+to+different+sheet 

Since it sounds like all you want to do is to isolate the chart, not change the data it uses, you will simply do the copying of the chart and allowing it to reference its original data.  Any of the steps about making it use new data on the new sheet will not apply to you, and that's actually far more complicated than the copy.

If you're used to using Excel with NVDA then there's really nothing NVDA-related, per se, about doing this.  It's all Excel commands.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

The depths of denial one can be pushed to by outside forces of disapproval can make you not even recognize yourself to yourself.

       ~ Brian Vogel

 


moving a chart in excel office365 with NVDA

Josh Kennedy
 

Hi,

I will soon be getting a braille buddy personal braille printer from www.irie-at.com

 

I will want to emboss charts and graphs in Excel. What keyboard commands do I use to select and move an inserted chart into its own worksheet, required by the tiger software suite addon in order to emboss the chart with braille labels?

 

Josh

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


Re: question about the right click button numpad star*

 

On Mon, Jan 11, 2021 at 05:56 AM, tilahun muniye wrote:
The right click and application key seem similar but not at all.
-
I have yet to see a single instance of where a true right click will not do exactly what hitting the applications/menu key does, but have seen a very rare few instances where hitting the applications/menu key does not do what true right click does.

I do not understand why anyone using a laptop does not simply mask off the thumb touchpad area of the full mousepad with cardboard to prevent mouse movement and use the actual left and right click keys.  It's a simple thing to do, and it saves scads of heartache with emulated mouse clicks.  The same thing can be done with a real mouse by putting tape over the optical port that allows it to detect movement.

I've been doing this with virtually every student I've ever had, as mouse key emulation remains far from perfect and I've had plenty of occasions where it just doesn't work.  It's easy to keep access to the actual mouse left and right click keys while preventing any possibility of pointer movement.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

The depths of denial one can be pushed to by outside forces of disapproval can make you not even recognize yourself to yourself.

       ~ Brian Vogel

 


Re: Tony's add-ons: new and updated

Suhas Dharwad
 

sentence nav, word nav, and symbols, does sound quite interesting.

Will give it a try.
thanks.

---Suhas
Sent from Thunderbird

“Things can turn out differently, Apollo.
That's the nice thing about being human.
We only have one life, but we can choose what kind of story it's going to be.”
Rick Riordan
On 1/10/2021 3:43, Tony Malykh wrote:

Hello all,

This is Tony, author of many NVDA add-ons. During holidays I updated many of my add-ons, and wrote two new add-ons, so I would like to share them with you guys. This is a long email, so please feel free to navigate by headings!

Please note that links on the official website have not been updated, as it seems that nobody has access to that website anymore. Therefore, please download directly from Github, download links included below.

 

New add-ons:

WordNav

It takes word navigation to the next level in NVDA. It standardizes what exactly does word mean, e.g. does it include punctuation before and after, moreover, it offers various definitions of word, some of which might be useful for software developers, for example when they are working with camelCaseIdentifiers. It redefines Control+Left/Right keystrokes, as well as it adds optional Control+Windows+Left/Right keystrokes. Configuration panel included!

·       Github: https://github.com/mltony/nvda-word-nav/

·       Download: https://github.com/mltony/nvda-word-nav/releases/download/v1.2/wordNav-1.2.nvda-addon

 

Console toolkit

This is a collection of tools for heavy console users. Among its features are:

·       More realtime speaking of console output

·       * Beep on update

·       Control+V shortcut now works in ssh connections

·       Editing of current prompt in accessible window

·       Capturing command output, including multi-page, and displaying it in an accessible window

 

Please note, it supports the default Windows console, a.k.a. command prompt, as well as windows PowerShell.

·       Github: https://github.com/mltony/nvda-console-toolkit/

·       Download: https://github.com/mltony/nvda-console-toolkit/releases/download/v0.2dev/consoleToolkit-0.2dev.nvda-addon

 

Updates

SentenceNav

This add-on allows to read text sentence by sentence using Alt+Up/Down keystroke. I managed to improve its performance a lot, now it reads sentences much faster, especially in large paragraphs. I also added experimental support for Microsoft Word and WordPad – before this version built-in NVDA logic applied to sentence navigation in these programs, and many users have complained about that. Also, a number of bugfixes. Also I wrote extensive documentation, since sentence finding code has become so complicated, even I myself is having a hard time reading my own code after a couple of years since first release 😊

·       Github: https://github.com/mltony/nvda-sentence-nav/

·       Download: https://github.com/mltony/nvda-sentence-nav/releases/download/v2.9/SentenceNav-2.9.nvda-addon

BrowserNav

BrowserNav contains a set of improvements to browse mode in NVDA. Besides a number of bugfixes, this new version includes command to jump to next text written in different style (bound to tilde, that weird key right above Tab), and a command to scroll down to reveal all the hidden content, bound to backslash. That last command might be useful for websites, that load content dynamically. This includes Youtube, that doesn’t load the entire page and expects users to scroll down to reveal certain elements, and also so called infinite scroll webpages, such as Amazon and Facebook.

·       Github: https://github.com/mltony/nvda-browser-nav/

·       Download: https://github.com/mltony/nvda-browser-nav/releases/download/v1.12/browsernav-1.12.nvda-addon

Tony’s enhancements

This add-on is an incubator for my experimental ideas, yet I believe many of them might be quite handy for many users. In particular, this time WordNav and Console toolkit mentioned above have graduated from this incubator. 😊 Among new features that I added are QuickSearch command, that allows to quickly find predefined text or regular expression in text files. I personally find it useful for editing markdown, because you can set the regular expression to search for next/previous heading, and also for programming. Another new feature allows to set system priority for NVDA process – this might improve responsiveness of NVDA, especially when CPU load is high.

·       Github: https://github.com/mltony/nvda-tonys-enhancements/

·       Download: https://github.com/mltony/nvda-tonys-enhancements/releases/download/v1.8/tonysEnhancements-1.8.nvda-addon

Other

NVDA Symbols

This is not an add-on, but rather a comprehensive (more or less) table of unicode characters with their proper English names. In particular, it includes math symbols (the ones that are not defined in NVDA), Greek letters, technical symbols, various arrows, etc. If you’re Greek, you would probably want to exclude Greek letters from this dictionary. If you speak CJK languages, you would probably want to exclude fixed-width punctuation page from that dictionary. This table would need to be added manually to your symbols.dic file in NVDA user config directory.

·       Github: https://github.com/mltony/nvda-symbols/

·       Download: https://raw.githubusercontent.com/mltony/nvda-symbols/main/final.dic

 

Let me know what you think!

Belated happy new year!

--Tony

 


Re: question about the right click button numpad star*

Gene
 

Use shift f10. That usually works the same as the applications key, but not always.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Nikos Demetriou via groups.io
Sent: Monday, January 11, 2021 4:34 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] question about the right click button numpad star*


Hi all.
I recently bought a new hp laptop.
As you probably know, recent laptops unfortunately don't have an application key.

NVDA has got a right click button which is the numpad *, but this shortcut unfortunately cannot act as an application key because it follows the focus of the mouse instead of the focus of the keyboard.

If we want to use this button we will have to press first nvda+/ to make the mouse to follow where the navigator object is.

I don't know if it's possible to make the numpad * to always follow the navigator object so it can act as an application key since we don't have one.
Nikos


Re: Tony's add-ons: new and updated

Gene
 

I have never gotten browser nav to work on my computer. I'm running Windows 7.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: William
Sent: Monday, January 11, 2021 3:38 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Tony's add-ons: new and updated



Hi,

After installing browser nav, all the single key navigation keys of browser nav addon did not work.

I am currently using 2020.2, and this issue is also present in 2020.4 beta 3.




Tony Malykh 於 10/1/2021 6:13 寫道:


Hello all,

This is Tony, author of many NVDA add-ons. During holidays I updated many of my add-ons, and wrote two new add-ons, so I would like to share them with you guys. This is a long email, so please feel free to navigate by headings!

Please note that links on the official website have not been updated, as it seems that nobody has access to that website anymore. Therefore, please download directly from Github, download links included below.



New add-ons:

WordNav

It takes word navigation to the next level in NVDA. It standardizes what exactly does word mean, e.g. does it include punctuation before and after, moreover, it offers various definitions of word, some of which might be useful for software developers, for example when they are working with camelCaseIdentifiers. It redefines Control+Left/Right keystrokes, as well as it adds optional Control+Windows+Left/Right keystrokes. Configuration panel included!

· Github: https://github.com/mltony/nvda-word-nav/

· Download: https://github.com/mltony/nvda-word-nav/releases/download/v1.2/wordNav-1.2.nvda-addon



Console toolkit

This is a collection of tools for heavy console users. Among its features are:

· More realtime speaking of console output

· * Beep on update

· Control+V shortcut now works in ssh connections

· Editing of current prompt in accessible window

· Capturing command output, including multi-page, and displaying it in an accessible window



Please note, it supports the default Windows console, a.k.a. command prompt, as well as windows PowerShell.

· Github: https://github.com/mltony/nvda-console-toolkit/

· Download: https://github.com/mltony/nvda-console-toolkit/releases/download/v0.2dev/consoleToolkit-0.2dev.nvda-addon



Updates

SentenceNav

This add-on allows to read text sentence by sentence using Alt+Up/Down keystroke. I managed to improve its performance a lot, now it reads sentences much faster, especially in large paragraphs. I also added experimental support for Microsoft Word and WordPad – before this version built-in NVDA logic applied to sentence navigation in these programs, and many users have complained about that. Also, a number of bugfixes. Also I wrote extensive documentation, since sentence finding code has become so complicated, even I myself is having a hard time reading my own code after a couple of years since first release 😊

· Github: https://github.com/mltony/nvda-sentence-nav/

· Download: https://github.com/mltony/nvda-sentence-nav/releases/download/v2.9/SentenceNav-2.9.nvda-addon

BrowserNav

BrowserNav contains a set of improvements to browse mode in NVDA. Besides a number of bugfixes, this new version includes command to jump to next text written in different style (bound to tilde, that weird key right above Tab), and a command to scroll down to reveal all the hidden content, bound to backslash. That last command might be useful for websites, that load content dynamically. This includes Youtube, that doesn’t load the entire page and expects users to scroll down to reveal certain elements, and also so called infinite scroll webpages, such as Amazon and Facebook.

· Github: https://github.com/mltony/nvda-browser-nav/

· Download: https://github.com/mltony/nvda-browser-nav/releases/download/v1.12/browsernav-1.12.nvda-addon

Tony’s enhancements

This add-on is an incubator for my experimental ideas, yet I believe many of them might be quite handy for many users. In particular, this time WordNav and Console toolkit mentioned above have graduated from this incubator. 😊 Among new features that I added are QuickSearch command, that allows to quickly find predefined text or regular expression in text files. I personally find it useful for editing markdown, because you can set the regular expression to search for next/previous heading, and also for programming. Another new feature allows to set system priority for NVDA process – this might improve responsiveness of NVDA, especially when CPU load is high.

· Github: https://github.com/mltony/nvda-tonys-enhancements/

· Download: https://github.com/mltony/nvda-tonys-enhancements/releases/download/v1.8/tonysEnhancements-1.8.nvda-addon

Other

NVDA Symbols

This is not an add-on, but rather a comprehensive (more or less) table of unicode characters with their proper English names. In particular, it includes math symbols (the ones that are not defined in NVDA), Greek letters, technical symbols, various arrows, etc. If you’re Greek, you would probably want to exclude Greek letters from this dictionary. If you speak CJK languages, you would probably want to exclude fixed-width punctuation page from that dictionary. This table would need to be added manually to your symbols.dic file in NVDA user config directory.


· Github: https://github.com/mltony/nvda-symbols/

· Download: https://raw.githubusercontent.com/mltony/nvda-symbols/main/final.dic



Let me know what you think!

Belated happy new year!

--Tony


Re: question about the right click button numpad star*

tilahun muniye
 

Hi.
The right click and application key seem similar but not at all.
to get all-out function regard to application key in laptop press
shift and F ten keys. Otherwise, use sharp key to change your keyboard
layout as you preferred.


On 1/11/21, Nikos Demetriou via groups.io
<nikosdemetriou=googlemail.com@groups.io> wrote:
Hi all.
I recently bought a new hp laptop.
As you probably know, recent laptops unfortunately don't have an
application key.

NVDA has got a right click button which is the numpad *, but this shortcut
unfortunately cannot act as an application key because it follows the focus
of the mouse instead of the focus of the keyboard.

If we want to use this button we will have to press first nvda+/ to make
the mouse to follow where the navigator object is.

I don't know if it's possible to make the numpad * to always follow
the navigator object so it can act as an application key since we don't
have one.
Nikos






question about the right click button numpad star*

 

Hi all.
I recently bought a new hp laptop.
As you probably know, recent laptops unfortunately don't have an application key.

NVDA has got a right click button which is the numpad *, but this shortcut unfortunately cannot act as an application key because it follows the focus of the mouse instead of the focus of the keyboard.

If we want to use this button we will have to press first nvda+/ to make the mouse to follow where the navigator object is.

I don't know if it's possible to make the numpad * to always follow the navigator object so it can act as an application key since we don't have one.
Nikos


Re: Tony's add-ons: new and updated

Rowen Cary
 

Hi, Tony👍

The word navigation add-on you wrote is very useful, and I cannot do without it.😊
Thank you for your contribution.


Re: OCR: Interacting with items from recognized UI

Kara Goldfinch
 

Hi Luke,

You can move the mouse to where the virtual focus is by pressing NVDA+numpad slash, then you can press numpad slash to click it.

I've also run into the  same issue as you where enter sometimes doesn't work, so here's a couple of things I also try.

After moving the mouse to the thing you want to  click, press shift+numpad slash twice with a short pause in-between. This locks and unlocks the left  mouse button. This could help if the app expects the button to be held down longer than usual.

Another thing to bear in mind is that sometimes the text that OCR recognises might just be the control's label, and the actual control could be above, below or to the side of it. I've noticed this in Omnissphere for example. The only way round this is to randomly click around the label with golden cursor, possibly listening for a different colour/brightness level depending on how you have it set up. I usually get tired of this pretty quickly, however.

I hope this helps any.


Kara

On 10/01/2021 01:02, Luke Robinett wrote:

Hi,

 

For inaccessible UIs I’ll often run NVDA OCR on the UI and then press enter or space bar on the UI controls I find in the recognized text such as tabs, menus and buttons. I find this only works in some programs and other times seems to be ignored. I believe the issue in some cases is that some UIs only respond when an actual mouse is clicked on a control. Is there a way to have the mouse cursor move to the UI element corresponding with its label in the OCR viewer and produce a click on that element? If not, is this something I could submit on GitHub as a feature request? It would make the already helpful OCR feature even more useful.

 

Thanks,

Luke

 


Re: Tony's add-ons: new and updated

William
 

Hi,

After installing browser nav, all the single key navigation keys of browser nav addon did not work.

I am currently using 2020.2, and this issue is also present in 2020.4 beta 3.


Tony Malykh 於 10/1/2021 6:13 寫道:

Hello all,

This is Tony, author of many NVDA add-ons. During holidays I updated many of my add-ons, and wrote two new add-ons, so I would like to share them with you guys. This is a long email, so please feel free to navigate by headings!

Please note that links on the official website have not been updated, as it seems that nobody has access to that website anymore. Therefore, please download directly from Github, download links included below.

 

New add-ons:

WordNav

It takes word navigation to the next level in NVDA. It standardizes what exactly does word mean, e.g. does it include punctuation before and after, moreover, it offers various definitions of word, some of which might be useful for software developers, for example when they are working with camelCaseIdentifiers. It redefines Control+Left/Right keystrokes, as well as it adds optional Control+Windows+Left/Right keystrokes. Configuration panel included!

·       Github: https://github.com/mltony/nvda-word-nav/

·       Download: https://github.com/mltony/nvda-word-nav/releases/download/v1.2/wordNav-1.2.nvda-addon

 

Console toolkit

This is a collection of tools for heavy console users. Among its features are:

·       More realtime speaking of console output

·       * Beep on update

·       Control+V shortcut now works in ssh connections

·       Editing of current prompt in accessible window

·       Capturing command output, including multi-page, and displaying it in an accessible window

 

Please note, it supports the default Windows console, a.k.a. command prompt, as well as windows PowerShell.

·       Github: https://github.com/mltony/nvda-console-toolkit/

·       Download: https://github.com/mltony/nvda-console-toolkit/releases/download/v0.2dev/consoleToolkit-0.2dev.nvda-addon

 

Updates

SentenceNav

This add-on allows to read text sentence by sentence using Alt+Up/Down keystroke. I managed to improve its performance a lot, now it reads sentences much faster, especially in large paragraphs. I also added experimental support for Microsoft Word and WordPad – before this version built-in NVDA logic applied to sentence navigation in these programs, and many users have complained about that. Also, a number of bugfixes. Also I wrote extensive documentation, since sentence finding code has become so complicated, even I myself is having a hard time reading my own code after a couple of years since first release 😊

·       Github: https://github.com/mltony/nvda-sentence-nav/

·       Download: https://github.com/mltony/nvda-sentence-nav/releases/download/v2.9/SentenceNav-2.9.nvda-addon

BrowserNav

BrowserNav contains a set of improvements to browse mode in NVDA. Besides a number of bugfixes, this new version includes command to jump to next text written in different style (bound to tilde, that weird key right above Tab), and a command to scroll down to reveal all the hidden content, bound to backslash. That last command might be useful for websites, that load content dynamically. This includes Youtube, that doesn’t load the entire page and expects users to scroll down to reveal certain elements, and also so called infinite scroll webpages, such as Amazon and Facebook.

·       Github: https://github.com/mltony/nvda-browser-nav/

·       Download: https://github.com/mltony/nvda-browser-nav/releases/download/v1.12/browsernav-1.12.nvda-addon

Tony’s enhancements

This add-on is an incubator for my experimental ideas, yet I believe many of them might be quite handy for many users. In particular, this time WordNav and Console toolkit mentioned above have graduated from this incubator. 😊 Among new features that I added are QuickSearch command, that allows to quickly find predefined text or regular expression in text files. I personally find it useful for editing markdown, because you can set the regular expression to search for next/previous heading, and also for programming. Another new feature allows to set system priority for NVDA process – this might improve responsiveness of NVDA, especially when CPU load is high.

·       Github: https://github.com/mltony/nvda-tonys-enhancements/

·       Download: https://github.com/mltony/nvda-tonys-enhancements/releases/download/v1.8/tonysEnhancements-1.8.nvda-addon

Other

NVDA Symbols

This is not an add-on, but rather a comprehensive (more or less) table of unicode characters with their proper English names. In particular, it includes math symbols (the ones that are not defined in NVDA), Greek letters, technical symbols, various arrows, etc. If you’re Greek, you would probably want to exclude Greek letters from this dictionary. If you speak CJK languages, you would probably want to exclude fixed-width punctuation page from that dictionary. This table would need to be added manually to your symbols.dic file in NVDA user config directory.

·       Github: https://github.com/mltony/nvda-symbols/

·       Download: https://raw.githubusercontent.com/mltony/nvda-symbols/main/final.dic

 

Let me know what you think!

Belated happy new year!

--Tony

 


Re: tablet question

David Griffith
 

I would be interested in this as well as most of the models I have looked at over the years appear too low powered for comfortable usage. You seem to either pay very little for a relatively tiny specs or a vast amount for something with reasonable laptop like spec like a Surface Pro from Microsoft. I do know of people successfully using a Surface but this does seem a pretty steep price hike, especially when compared to price range of Chrome Books.
As you suggest switching to something like a Chrome Book this would entail learning an entire new accessibility architecture and strategies.

David G.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Charlotte
Sent: 09 January 2021 22:12
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] tablet question

Hello. I am considering purchasing a Windows tablet. I have a desktop PC but with my small business it would be great to be able to use the Windows platform that I am familiar with when I am out and about versus having to manipulate apps on my phone. Can anyone recommend a Windows tablet that supports NVDA and has a decent amount of ram and processing power? Any info is appreciated. Thanks.

Charlotte aka Mama Otter


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Re: request how to use espeak ng as secondary language.

tilahun muniye
 

Hi.
Tanks a lot for your recommendation. But it must be sapi5 engine in
order to deal with dual voice addon. Still I am not able to get
espeak-ng for sapi5.

On 1/10/21, darkmad88@gmail.com <darkmad88@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi! Did you tried this:
https://github.com/espeak-ng/espeak-ng/releases/tag/1.50
You need to download and install an MSI package corresponding to your
windows architecture, 32 or 64 bit. Hope it helps. Regards!






Re: Virtual Linux and NVDA?

Jason White
 

On 1/10/21 12:43 PM, Damien Garwood wrote:
When I tried to run a Linux-based VM, I got no speech, presumably because NVDA doesn't have access to the machine. So I'm wondering, other than through WSL, is it possible at all to run Linux and somehow get it to interact nicely with NVDA?
If the virtual machine has a network interface and runs sshd, you should be able to access it via ssh from the host system, with NVDA working as usual.

Another option would be to run a screen reader on the Linux guest, and to interact with it directly once you've moved focus into the appropriate window.

A third option would be to run Linux directly on hardware, with its own screen reader, instead of virtualizing it. That's what I do. In fact, I'm writing this message on Thunderbird 78.6 under Linux.


Re: Virtual Linux and NVDA?

Dan Miner
 

Setting up a basic ssh server is quite easy these days. I don't recall you mentioning a distro but it could be as easy as typing in a terminal :

apt install openssh-server

or

yum install openssh-server

Now, you need to be sure your VM application has fully "grabbed" the keyboard for that magic shortcut to work since you need it sent to Linux and not the host system. Often it is using the right control key to switch in and out like a toggle button.

Now if you fill somewhat confident in your typing skills, it is possible to do a sequence of steps that will work on about 90% of the distros out there. You just need to know the default user for the distro and it have sudo rights if not an admin user. The idea is to take advantage of most distros put a virtual console on VC1, get yourself there, login, and install openssh.... all in the "dark". Using today's seeing apps can be a big help here too.

Remember, you have a VM.. backup the initial disk image and you can destroy it to your heart's delight. *smile* Snapshots are very useful for this too.

Now, I do feel this is off topic for this mailing list but if you feel a need to continue then I suggest moving it to NVDA chat at a minimum.

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Damien Garwood
Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2021 4:13 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Virtual Linux and NVDA?

Hi Dan,
Yeah, I thought that when it booted and I got nothing. I was just getting absolutely no response - ended up having to do a hard shutdown.
And then it clicked - same machine, but...Well. Different machine!
I don't know how to set up an SSH server, which is why I ideally need it to work locally. But if it's not possible, it's not possible and I guess I'll have to learn some more advanced wizardry to be able to get stuff done. Including switching back to Windows. I must admit, this is my first time with VM's - whole new (and rather intimidating) area of computing for me.
Cheers,
Damien.

On 10/01/2021 10:49 pm, Dan Miner via groups.io wrote:
You have to understand that a VM provided by VirtualBox or VMWare is very much like having a whole different computer running. NVDA can't "reach in" and inspect the applications. So, you will have to get orca running within the VM itself for GUIs. Be sure you have sound enabled for the VM and the popular distributions can typically have orca turned on via pressing WIN+ALT+S once you believe you have the GUI running. If you don't plan to use a GUI, then you will need to get that Linux system to boot up with SpeakUp ,Fenrir, or some virtual console screen reader of your choice. With a command-line only method, I would just ssh into the box like your previous VPS set up.

Dan


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Damien
Garwood
Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2021 1:11 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Virtual Linux and NVDA?

Hi there,
Yeah, that's what I've been doing up to now myself. But I'm cancelling my VPS subscription soon, so really I need a localised way, if there is one.
Cheers,
Damien.

On 10/01/2021 06:39 pm, Oleksandr Gryshchenko wrote:
Hi Damien,

Usually I connect to a Linux machine via ssh and work with it via the
command line.

Greetings.
Oleksandr










Re: Virtual Linux and NVDA?

Damien Garwood <damien@...>
 

Hi Dan,
Yeah, I thought that when it booted and I got nothing. I was just getting absolutely no response - ended up having to do a hard shutdown. And then it clicked - same machine, but...Well. Different machine!
I don't know how to set up an SSH server, which is why I ideally need it to work locally. But if it's not possible, it's not possible and I guess I'll have to learn some more advanced wizardry to be able to get stuff done. Including switching back to Windows. I must admit, this is my first time with VM's - whole new (and rather intimidating) area of computing for me.
Cheers,
Damien.

On 10/01/2021 10:49 pm, Dan Miner via groups.io wrote:
You have to understand that a VM provided by VirtualBox or VMWare is very much like having a whole different computer running. NVDA can't "reach in" and inspect the applications. So, you will have to get orca running within the VM itself for GUIs. Be sure you have sound enabled for the VM and the popular distributions can typically have orca turned on via pressing WIN+ALT+S once you believe you have the GUI running. If you don't plan to use a GUI, then you will need to get that Linux system to boot up with SpeakUp ,Fenrir, or some virtual console screen reader of your choice. With a command-line only method, I would just ssh into the box like your previous VPS set up.
Dan
-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Damien Garwood
Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2021 1:11 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Virtual Linux and NVDA?
Hi there,
Yeah, that's what I've been doing up to now myself. But I'm cancelling my VPS subscription soon, so really I need a localised way, if there is one.
Cheers,
Damien.
On 10/01/2021 06:39 pm, Oleksandr Gryshchenko wrote:
Hi Damien,

Usually I connect to a Linux machine via ssh and work with it via the
command line.

Greetings.
Oleksandr


Re: Virtual Linux and NVDA?

Dan Miner
 

You have to understand that a VM provided by VirtualBox or VMWare is very much like having a whole different computer running. NVDA can't "reach in" and inspect the applications. So, you will have to get orca running within the VM itself for GUIs. Be sure you have sound enabled for the VM and the popular distributions can typically have orca turned on via pressing WIN+ALT+S once you believe you have the GUI running. If you don't plan to use a GUI, then you will need to get that Linux system to boot up with SpeakUp ,Fenrir, or some virtual console screen reader of your choice. With a command-line only method, I would just ssh into the box like your previous VPS set up.

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Damien Garwood
Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2021 1:11 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Virtual Linux and NVDA?

Hi there,
Yeah, that's what I've been doing up to now myself. But I'm cancelling my VPS subscription soon, so really I need a localised way, if there is one.
Cheers,
Damien.

On 10/01/2021 06:39 pm, Oleksandr Gryshchenko wrote:
Hi Damien,

Usually I connect to a Linux machine via ssh and work with it via the
command line.

Greetings.
Oleksandr

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