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Re: Now available: DAISY version of Welcome to NVDA 2018

 

Hi,

The audio recordings are in mp3 format, which may explain why this isn’t working.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: Friday, February 9, 2018 1:16 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Now available: DAISY version of Welcome to NVDA 2018

 

Hi, Joseph,

 

I'm not able to read the daisy format of the tutorial. Do you have to have a special player or is this a word document?

 

Rosemarie

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Friday, February 9, 2018 9:24 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Now available: DAISY version of Welcome to NVDA 2018

 

Hi everyone,

 

Thanks to AccessiDocs project from Pennsylvania Council of the Blind, an audio DAISY version of Welcome to NVDA 2018 tutorial set is now available from:

http://www.josephsl.net/files/nvda18/DB-Welcome_to_NVDA_2018-by-Joseph_lee.zip

 

The DAISY book is a bit out of date, but for the most part, it is up to date.

 

Also, a UK-based charity named BCAB has offered to distribute this tutorial set on physical media for a fee.

 

Enjoy.

Cheers,

Joseph


Re: Now available: DAISY version of Welcome to NVDA 2018

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Hi, Joseph,

 

I'm not able to read the daisy format of the tutorial. Do you have to have a special player or is this a word document?

 

Rosemarie

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Friday, February 9, 2018 9:24 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Now available: DAISY version of Welcome to NVDA 2018

 

Hi everyone,

 

Thanks to AccessiDocs project from Pennsylvania Council of the Blind, an audio DAISY version of Welcome to NVDA 2018 tutorial set is now available from:

http://www.josephsl.net/files/nvda18/DB-Welcome_to_NVDA_2018-by-Joseph_lee.zip

 

The DAISY book is a bit out of date, but for the most part, it is up to date.

 

Also, a UK-based charity named BCAB has offered to distribute this tutorial set on physical media for a fee.

 

Enjoy.

Cheers,

Joseph


Re: Unable to start Outlook 2016 While NVDA Is Running

Adriani Botez
 

Hello Ralph,

This is quite strange. Try to reinstall Outlook. I assume power point, excel and word work perperly. Right? You can also do a repair so that you don't have to reinstall anything.


Best
Adriani


Best
Adriani

-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] Im Auftrag von
Ralph Boersema
Gesendet: Freitag, 9. Februar 2018 21:52
An: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Betreff: [nvda] Unable to start Outlook 2016 While NVDA Is Running

Friends,

I guess I am dealing with two distinct problems. With regard to switching
folders, Ctrl-Shift + Tab does the job. Thanks for this!

The other problem is that if I turn off Outlook I cannot start it so long as NVDA
is running. I exit NVDA and ask a sighted person to start Outlook for me. This
problem arose only two days ago.

Any suggestions? I am running Windows 10.

Warmly,
Ralph



Re: about taskmanager

JM Casey <crystallogic@...>
 

Yeah. I consider myself a patient person, but that is intolerable. One of the benefits of Task manager is to be able to quickly and efficiently kill stalled processes, for instance. Again, try Process Explorer instead. J

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Felix G.
Sent: February 9, 2018 9:46 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] about taskmanager

 

Hi Paul,

Task Manager is a bit slow on Windows 10 due to the way it implements UIA. Make sure you got the Windows 10 Essentials add-on installed, and after opening Task Manager, give it some time to fully establish communication with NVDA. For me, anything up to a minute or even slightly more is unfortunately normal.

Greetings,

Felix

 

P. Otter <pam.otter@...> schrieb am Fr., 9. Feb. 2018 um 13:13 Uhr:

hello, a long, long time ago, it was possible for me to use the taskmanager.
so it was possible to stop a programm to run.
now, i've problems with my skype, i've updated it to 7.40 but there is
something wrong in this version.
i'm using windows 10 (newest version) and nvda2017.4
from the moment i'm running 7.40 of skype, and someone is calling me, i
hear skype ringing, that is as usual.
but when i accepted the call, skype keeps ringing, also when i've ended
the call, skype keeps ringing until i've stoped skype in the taskmanager
or i've reboot my computer.
what i wrote before, it was a long time ago possible to use the
taskmager but now i only hear list, list, list.
there is nothing i can do else than reboot my computer.
that is very annoing
is there a possibillity to use the taskmanager again or ofcaurse a
solution to use skype without false ringing problems?
i have 64 bit windows 10 running.
thank you in advance for your answer
regards
paul otter




Unable to start Outlook 2016 While NVDA Is Running

Ralph Boersema
 

Friends,

I guess I am dealing with two distinct problems. With regard to switching folders, Ctrl-Shift + Tab does the job. Thanks for this!

The other problem is that if I turn off Outlook I cannot start it so long as NVDA is running. I exit NVDA and ask a sighted person to start Outlook for me. This problem arose only two days ago.

Any suggestions? I am running Windows 10.

Warmly,
Ralph


Re: about taskmanager

JM Casey <crystallogic@...>
 

Hi everyone.

 

I replaced Windows 10 Task Manager with Process Explorer from Sysinternals, because of the speed problem. The “fewer details” view in task manager isn’t that useful, and I found both NVDA and jAWS to be so sluggish in the detailed view that Task Manager was basically intolerable to use. Process Explorer has more capability, but also responds very quickly and works just as well with a screen-reader as Task manager really should. The program and all the others in the suite are owned by Microsoft now and there is an option within Process Explorer that enables you to replace the OS task manager. This means your ctrl-shift-esc keyboard command will activate it. Pretty neat.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: February 9, 2018 10:35 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] about taskmanager

 

Hi,

It also depends on which view Task Manager is in, as it defaults to showing you fewer details.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of David Griffith
Sent: Friday, February 9, 2018 7:25 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] about taskmanager

 

I mormally find with Narrator Task Manager responds pretty much instantly.

Narrator does not interact with Task Manager in the same  way  as NVDA as you need to travel across all the eleements  headings for  each process rather than simply cursorring down the list of processes as you might expect with NVDA but as I say it is pretty instantaneous and you can get to where you want  pretty easily. Just  turn on scan mode with caps lock space bar and simply cursor down through the window. You will hear each process followed by the reading for each process like CPU etc but eventually you will reach the next process down. Continue down through the list to get to where you want to go.

 

David Griffith

 

 

 

My Blind Access and Guide dog Blog
http://dgriffithblog.wordpress.com/
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https://www.westhamtillidie.com/authors/blind-hammer/posts

 

From: Felix G.
Sent: 09 February 2018 14:46
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] about taskmanager

 

Hi Paul,

Task Manager is a bit slow on Windows 10 due to the way it implements UIA. Make sure you got the Windows 10 Essentials add-on installed, and after opening Task Manager, give it some time to fully establish communication with NVDA. For me, anything up to a minute or even slightly more is unfortunately normal.

Greetings,

Felix

 

P. Otter <pam.otter@...> schrieb am Fr., 9. Feb. 2018 um 13:13 Uhr:

hello, a long, long time ago, it was possible for me to use the taskmanager.
so it was possible to stop a programm to run.
now, i've problems with my skype, i've updated it to 7.40 but there is
something wrong in this version.
i'm using windows 10 (newest version) and nvda2017.4
from the moment i'm running 7.40 of skype, and someone is calling me, i
hear skype ringing, that is as usual.
but when i accepted the call, skype keeps ringing, also when i've ended
the call, skype keeps ringing until i've stoped skype in the taskmanager
or i've reboot my computer.
what i wrote before, it was a long time ago possible to use the
taskmager but now i only hear list, list, list.
there is nothing i can do else than reboot my computer.
that is very annoing
is there a possibillity to use the taskmanager again or ofcaurse a
solution to use skype without false ringing problems?
i have 64 bit windows 10 running.
thank you in advance for your answer
regards
paul otter

 


Re: Making pauses durring say all?

Adriani Botez
 

Hello,

just press the shift key.

Best
Adriani

-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] Im Auftrag von
Matt Turner
Gesendet: Freitag, 9. Februar 2018 21:38
An: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Betreff: [nvda] Making pauses durring say all?

Hi folks.

Subject says it all.

Let's say I'm reading a book, or what ever, is there anyway to have the voice
I'm using pause, while reading?



Making pauses durring say all?

Matt Turner
 

Hi folks.

Subject says it all.

Let's say I'm reading a book, or what ever, is there anyway to have the voice I'm using pause, while reading?


Re: Some issues

Adriani Botez
 

Hello,

 

great to have you in our community.

 

Please do following to accelerate investigations:

  1. Go to NVDA-Menu (NVDA+n) and go to preferences / general settings
  2. Set the debugging level to “debug”
  3. When outlook crashes or when NVDA is becoming silent, press NVDA+f1 after NVDA is responding again. But please do not restart NVDA before pressing NVDA+f1
  4. Please try to reproduce your problem as soon as possible after starting NVDA because otherwise the log file which is generated when pressing NVDA+f1 will be very long
  5. Save the log file and send it here by e-mail or create an issue on github.

 

Thanks.

 

 

Best

Adriani

 

Von: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] Im Auftrag von Othoniel Cavanellas
Gesendet: Freitag, 9. Februar 2018 12:52
An: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Betreff: [nvda] Some issues

 

Hello,

I have been using NVDA for the past 30 days and I am experiencing problems with Outlook 2016. If NVDA is active, whenever I switch from one mailbox to another, Outlook crashes and is restarted. It also happens when I open certain types of messages, normally messages with some type of image inbedded (in this case I close NVDA and the message opens OK).  I also tested shutting down the antivirus to see if I was affecting NVDA, but the problems persist.

 

Below you have my PC config:

 

Windows 10 PRO Portuguese version 1709 edition 16299.192

NVDA  version 2017.4

MS Office 365

Trendmicro Maximum Security

Another issue is that sometimes NVDA mutes for no reason, and suddenly restarts talking, or if I force its restart, it works again.

 

Can you guys help me with these problems?

 

Many thanks and greetings from Brazil!

 

Othoniel Cavanellas

Rio de Janeiro

 


Re: suggestion for feedback

Adriani Botez
 

Hey Rusty and Quentin,

 

I have created an issue on Github regarding an integrated feedback hub. Just search for feedback hub on github under issues.

 

That issue has been closed. Now I understand how important a centralized platform is. However, my thought was actually to connect github with the feedback hub in NVDA. So, for example people who have an account on nvaccess.org can create issues in the integrated feedback hub and the issues will automatically be uploaded on github.

 

But my idea is not perfect since people would try to write feedback in their own language, so we would need a synchronization with translators. This should remain part of community work and language maintainers should create issues on github for people who cannot speak english.

 

So, my conclusion is that github should remain as it is now.

 

 

Best

Adriani

 

Von: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] Im Auftrag von Quentin Christensen
Gesendet: Freitag, 9. Februar 2018 00:46
An: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Betreff: Re: [nvda] suggestion for feedback

 

Hi Rusty,

 

Having a link directly to the issue tracker (even to create a new issue) isn't a bad idea (unfortunately it will require someone to create an issue on Github to get the ball rolling *grin*).  As we use GitHub, it would still open a browser and you would need to be logged into (or create) a Github account.  Even if we moved away from Github to another issue tracker, I don't see a way around that, as the issue tracker does several things:

1. It keeps track of issues that people raise and allows them to be prioritised and followed through to completion.

2. By registering, it allows the developers to ask follow-up questions, provide links to test builds so the original person (and anyone else interested) can see if we have indeed resolved the issue.

3. It allows issues to be searchable and keeps them all in one place.

 

If we just had say a "provide feedback" option in NVDA which simply sent us an e-mail with your problem / idea / etc, then it would be hard to keep track of who had asked for what, how many people were having a particular problem, and we would get a lot of duplicate e-mails.

 

The other thing with Github is that while NV Access has several in-house developers, there are many others around the world who also contribute code, testing, feedback and other assistance and we need a central repository to make that all possible.  If you e-mailed me and asked for a particular feature, we can look at it, but it might be something that isn't a high enough priority to get to immediately.  It might however, be something one of our other contributors has an interest in and would like to write some code to support and they may be able to get to it faster, but I don't necessarily know who might be interested.

 

So, in short... would you like to create a github issue with your idea? https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/new

 

Regards

 

Quentin.

 

On Fri, Feb 9, 2018 at 9:35 AM, Rusty Perez <rustys.lists@...> wrote:

Hey folks,
I think it would be a GREAT idea for NVDA to have a feedback option
right in the NVDA menu.
"report a problem" or something like that.
Honestly, it's easier for me to just use another browser than to slog
through a registration and goofing around in github to report a
problem.

I know, NVDA is donation ware, but it might make the product even
better to make giving feedback a more painless process. :)

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<table style="border-top: 1px solid #D3D4DE;">
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        <td style="width: 55px; padding-top: 13px;"><a
href="http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail"
target="_blank"><img
src="https://ipmcdn.avast.com/images/icons/icon-envelope-tick-green-avg-v1.png"
alt="" width="46" height="29" style="width: 46px; height: 29px;"
/></a></td>
                <td style="width: 470px; padding-top: 12px; color: #41424e;
font-size: 13px; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;
line-height: 18px;">Virus-free. <a
href="http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail"
target="_blank" style="color: #4453ea;">www.avg.com</a>
                </td>
        </tr>
</table><a href="#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2" width="1"
height="1"></a></div>

On 2/8/18, Rusty Perez <rustys.lists@...> wrote:
> Well, my fix was Chrome browser. :)
> Works just fine so far. So, this is not an NVDA and windows thing as
> far as I can tell.
>
> Rusty
> <div id="DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2"><br />
> <table style="border-top: 1px solid #D3D4DE;">
>       <tr>
>         <td style="width: 55px; padding-top: 13px;"><a
> href="http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail"
> target="_blank"><img
> src="https://ipmcdn.avast.com/images/icons/icon-envelope-tick-green-avg-v1.png"
> alt="" width="46" height="29" style="width: 46px; height: 29px;"
> /></a></td>
>               <td style="width: 470px; padding-top: 12px; color: #41424e;
> font-size: 13px; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;
> line-height: 18px;">Virus-free. <a
> href="http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail"
> target="_blank" style="color: #4453ea;">www.avg.com</a>
>               </td>
>       </tr>
> </table><a href="#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2" width="1"
> height="1"></a></div>
>
> On 2/8/18, Kevin Cussick via Groups.Io
> <the.big.white.shepherd=googlemail.com@groups.io> wrote:
>> no help but I have reported this more than once.   but don't have a fix.
>> using windows 10 64 bit and ff ESR what ever the latest incarnation of
>> this is hope this helps. and fire fox is 32 bit.
>>
>> On 08/02/2018 19:23, Rusty Perez wrote:
>>> Hey folks,
>>>
>>> For the past few weeks this has been getting progressively worse.
>>> I bring up FF and hafter just a few minutes of reading a page, or
>>> scrolling down in emails, NVDA goes silent. I wait for a few moments
>>> and speech comes back.
>>>
>>> any thoughts, or fixes.<div
>>> id="DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2"><br
>>> />
>>> <table style="border-top: 1px solid #D3D4DE;">
>>>     <tr>
>>>          <td style="width: 55px; padding-top: 13px;"><a
>>> href="http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail"
>>> target="_blank"><img
>>> src="https://ipmcdn.avast.com/images/icons/icon-envelope-tick-green-avg-v1.png"
>>> alt="" width="46" height="29" style="width: 46px; height: 29px;"
>>> /></a></td>
>>>             <td style="width: 470px; padding-top: 12px; color: #41424e;
>>> font-size: 13px; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;
>>> line-height: 18px;">Virus-free. <a
>>> href="http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail"
>>> target="_blank" style="color: #4453ea;">www.avg.com</a>
>>>             </td>
>>>     </tr>
>>> </table><a href="#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2" width="1"
>>> height="1"></a></div>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>




 

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Training and Support Manager

 

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Re: RES: [nvda] Unable to Start Outlook 2016 While Running NVDA

Gene
 

This appears to be a different problem than the one I've seen discussed. 
 
It's a good idea to try something that may seem unlikely, but if it won't hurt anything, might unexpectedly work.  You might try control y and opening a folder from the folders list it brings up.  If it works your problem is solved.
I don't know how many people have the control y bug.  If you don't have it, control y might solve the problem.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, February 09, 2018 11:25 AM
Subject: RES: [nvda] Unable to Start Outlook 2016 While Running NVDA

Hello all,

I am switching mailbox folders simply clicking on the folder name on the folder list on the left of Outlook window, I am not using any keyboard command.

 

 

 

De: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] Em nome de Gene
Enviada em: sexta-feira, 9 de fevereiro de 2018 13:47
Para: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Assunto: Re: [nvda] Unable to Start Outlook 2016 While Running NVDA

 

There is a bug somewhere, I think in Outlook 16 that, when you use control y, craches the program.  I don't use Outlook.  Try using both control shift tab or just shift tab to move to the message list. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Friday, February 09, 2018 9:08 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Unable to Start Outlook 2016 While Running NVDA

 

That sounds quite annoying. Couldn’t a addon be created that would jump focus to the correct place when control-Y is pressed? Though from the response form the original poster there is someplace else where NVDA and Outlook are agreeing to disagree in one of the panels.

 

Also, any regular user of NVDA using an insider build of Outlook who could comment on if this is still occurring in the latest builds?

Thanks,

 

Jonathan Cohn

 

From: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of Pranav Lal <pranav.lal@...>
Reply-To: "nvda@nvda.groups.io" <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Date: Thursday, February 8, 2018 at 7:45 PM
To: "nvda@nvda.groups.io" <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Unable to Start Outlook 2016 While Running NVDA

 

Ralf,

 

How are you changing folders in Outlook 2016? There is a known bug where if you use ctrl+y and the resulting tree view to switch folders, outlook crashes. You need to use the folder pane accessed by ctrl+shift+tab.

 

Pranav

 


Re: Braille table problem

lrs@...
 

On Fri, Feb 09, 2018 at 07:13:17AM -0800, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi,
I'll forward this question to the Liblouis list.
Thank you. Thanks to the answer on that list, I realized I did a stupid mistake while trying to rename a file to one that's included in anothre. Sorry.

In the meantime, depending on how the tables are set up, you need to modify the interface language alone (the one NVDA will look for)
How do I modify that, so that I can test other braille tables?

or one of the component tables (the one the interface language will pick up in the "include" statement).
I tried to put translationTable = no-no-8dot.utb in the file userConfig\nvda.ini. Then I got an error message when starting NVDA.

Lars

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of lrs@dalen.lamasti.net
Sent: Friday, February 9, 2018 2:50 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Braille table problem

Hello, list!

We need to extend the Norwegian 8 dot braille table used with NVDA. When working with that, I tried to rename some liblouis braill tables to the default 8 dot braille table which are used today, namely no-no-comp8.ctb, found in louis\tables.

I tried to rename no-no-generic.ctb, and that works.

When I renamed other tables, like no-no-8dot.utb or no-no-8dot-fallback-6dot-g0.utb into no-no-comp8.ctb, the braille display became blank.

I can see that the table files that works, has no include statement whereas the table files that don't, has statements like

include no-no-comp8.ctb

Can someone please explain if it's the include statement that is the problem, or if it's other factors that prevents the other tables to work?

Thanks and regards, Lars






Re: Admin: Re: [nvda] Google drive nagging

Gene
 

I'm not sure what you mean by advise people where to look.  People who search archives don't search in that way, looking for messages that say, X or Y, meaning this or that person solved my proboem.  They search for the problem.  If everyone did what you are advocating, the list would be fulll of such messages and most users would not be happy with the unending stream of such messages. 
it would be very undesirable for most users, who would leave the list.  When you do something, a good general rule is that if the thing would cause significant problems or inconveniences if everyone did it, it shouldn't be done.  Of course, there are exceptions to every rule but that's a good general rule. 
 
Gene

----- Original message -----
Sent: Friday, February 09, 2018 10:34 AM
Subject: Re: Admin: Re: [nvda] Google drive nagging

Possibly is, but a lot of people see it as being polite. I'd rather it said
thanks to xxx and xxx so and so fixed my problem or did not fix it etc, as
that would advise people on where to look next time.
 Brian

bglists@...
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal email to:-
briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <gsasner@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, February 09, 2018 12:04 PM
Subject: Re: Admin: Re: [nvda] Google drive nagging


This is a rule in Netiquette and I would think that the majority of lists
enforce it since such messages have no useful or additional information,
just thanks.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Michael Capelle
Sent: Friday, February 09, 2018 2:12 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: Admin: Re: [nvda] Google drive nagging


hey gene, this is how i run my list to, i also do not allow me to messages,
or one liners.


From: Gene
Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2018 10:26 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Admin: Re: [nvda] Google drive nagging

I sent a message as moderator specifically asking you not to send thank you
messages.  Did you see it?  If you want to write someone on list and say
thank you along with another message such as your messages that ask people
to write you privately, that's alright.  (I've seen four or perhaps more
messages this evening that say nothing but thank you .  This is list
clutter.  If you want. thank people in advance in your initial message or
send one thank you message after you've seen enough replies that you think
it's appropriate.  But no more than one.

How many people would want to be on this or other lists if everyone who
asked a question and got multiple answers sent thank you messages in
response to every message they got?  The list would be three fourths thank
you messages and no one would want to be on it.

Gene
----- Original Message ------

From: Kerryn Gunness via Groups.Io
Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2018 8:12 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Google drive nagging

thanks brian
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  Subject: Re: [nvda] Google drive nagging

  Well assuming windows 7 or later DRopbox seems to me to be faster and more
intuitive in use.
  Brian

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    ----- Original Message -----
    From: Kerryn Gunness via GroupsIo
    To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
    Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2018 6:04 PM
    Subject: Re: [nvda] Google drive nagging

    in comparing google drive to dropbox, which one is more reliable and
more accessible?

      ----- Original Message -----
      From: Sarah k Alawami
      To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
      Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2018 1:34 PM
      Subject: Re: [nvda] Google drive nagging

      I use google back up and sync. It's very accessible and works well. I
also ise iDrive as well for my more important stuff.



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        Well at  the moment it has just stopped synchronising so I guess
that answers part of the question, nice of them to give me about half an
hours warning. Thanks google.
        Brian

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        Subject: [nvda] Google drive nagging



          I see that Google drive are nagging me to update to the back up
and restore new version. I disabled updates  some time ago to keep the old
format as nvda would not work very well with the newer versions coming out
and also they were crashing machines all over the place
          Is it now safe to update as the cryptic message its putting up
every so often is that its no longer supported, which could just mean its
not ever going to get security updates or that they intend to stop users
with the old software from accessing the system any more. I have no idea
which, but a few days after Google also nagging me to not use email clients
to access their accounts they do seem to be getting a bit too aggressive
toward their users in my view.

          Is there any other easy to use cloud storage that can run on old
xp machines,which is the only real reason for using google drive at all
since dropbox stopped its software running, mainly due to the fact that they
started to use a newer code compiler that made code that fell over on xp.
          Brian

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Re: When posts contain email addresses

Gene
 

I read mail as plain text.  The addresses aren't links for that reason but the full address is displayed. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, February 09, 2018 10:32 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] When posts contain email addresses

Those work in html on outlook express. I think maybe it has something to do
with the way its being viewed in that case.

However it does still stand that its often easier to use the links if the
quotes are not too long. Brian

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From: "Gene" <gsasner@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, February 09, 2018 12:01 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] When posts contain email addresses


We'll see if this is a general behavior.  I don't recall ever seeng this
problem reading mail with an e-mail program.  Are you reading messages with
an e-mail client or on line?

Here is a fictitious test address or two.
Bob@...  info@...

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Giles Turnbull
Sent: Friday, February 09, 2018 1:41 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] When posts contain email addresses


Hi all,

when people say we can email them by email and give the email address, why
does the forum system cut everything after the @ symbol out?

For example, in Quentin's reply to Ryan Cho's question about Kindle on
Windows, it says:

‘If they can recreate the issue and then get a copy of the log to send us
that might help shed light on what is happening - they (or you) can email it
to me at info@... and I'll have a look.’

So the email address doesn't appear in the post, nor when I right lick on it
and select ‘copy email address’ does it copy the email address, only
info@...

Is this something in my forum preferences, or should I spell out email
addresses like nvda.user at gmail dot com?

Since this isn't related to the Kindle post I've posted it as a new thread,
but this is the link to the Kindle topic in case needed:
https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda/topic/10299590

thanks :)

Giles




FW: [liblouis-liblouisxml] SV: FW: [nvda] Braille table problem

 

Hi,
See the answer from Liblouis list. In the future, anything that has to do with braille tables should be sent to Liblouis mailing list unless if requires comments from users.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: liblouis-liblouisxml-bounce@freelists.org [mailto:liblouis-liblouisxml-bounce@freelists.org] On Behalf Of Bue Vester-Andersen
Sent: Friday, February 9, 2018 9:29 AM
To: liblouis-liblouisxml@freelists.org
Subject: [liblouis-liblouisxml] SV: FW: [nvda] Braille table problem

Hi Joseph,

To me, that sounds straight forward. If you rename a file that includes no-no-comp8.ctb to no-no-comp8.ctb, then you basically have a file that includes itself. Apart from being recursive, it probably won't work anyway, because the file in question obviously needs resources found in the original no-no-comp8.ctb.

Bue


-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: liblouis-liblouisxml-bounce@freelists.org [mailto:liblouis-liblouisxml-bounce@freelists.org] På vegne af Joseph Lee
Sendt: 9. februar 2018 16:14
Til: liblouis-liblouisxml@freelists.org
Emne: [liblouis-liblouisxml] FW: [nvda] Braille table problem

Hi,
Can anyone help this person?
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of lrs@dalen.lamasti.net
Sent: Friday, February 9, 2018 2:50 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Braille table problem

Hello, list!

We need to extend the Norwegian 8 dot braille table used with NVDA. When working with that, I tried to rename some liblouis braill tables to the default 8 dot braille table which are used today, namely no-no-comp8.ctb, found in louis\tables.

I tried to rename no-no-generic.ctb, and that works.

When I renamed other tables, like no-no-8dot.utb or no-no-8dot-fallback-6dot-g0.utb into no-no-comp8.ctb, the braille display became blank.

I can see that the table files that works, has no include statement whereas the table files that don't, has statements like

include no-no-comp8.ctb

Can someone please explain if it's the include statement that is the problem, or if it's other factors that prevents the other tables to work?

Thanks and regards, Lars



For a description of the software, to download it and links to project pages go to http://liblouis.org

For a description of the software, to download it and links to project pages go to http://liblouis.org


RES: [nvda] Unable to Start Outlook 2016 While Running NVDA

Othoniel Cavanellas
 

Hello all,

I am switching mailbox folders simply clicking on the folder name on the folder list on the left of Outlook window, I am not using any keyboard command.

 

 

 

De: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] Em nome de Gene
Enviada em: sexta-feira, 9 de fevereiro de 2018 13:47
Para: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Assunto: Re: [nvda] Unable to Start Outlook 2016 While Running NVDA

 

There is a bug somewhere, I think in Outlook 16 that, when you use control y, craches the program.  I don't use Outlook.  Try using both control shift tab or just shift tab to move to the message list. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Friday, February 09, 2018 9:08 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Unable to Start Outlook 2016 While Running NVDA

 

That sounds quite annoying. Couldn’t a addon be created that would jump focus to the correct place when control-Y is pressed? Though from the response form the original poster there is someplace else where NVDA and Outlook are agreeing to disagree in one of the panels.

 

Also, any regular user of NVDA using an insider build of Outlook who could comment on if this is still occurring in the latest builds?

Thanks,

 

Jonathan Cohn

 

From: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of Pranav Lal <pranav.lal@...>
Reply-To: "nvda@nvda.groups.io" <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Date: Thursday, February 8, 2018 at 7:45 PM
To: "nvda@nvda.groups.io" <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Unable to Start Outlook 2016 While Running NVDA

 

Ralf,

 

How are you changing folders in Outlook 2016? There is a known bug where if you use ctrl+y and the resulting tree view to switch folders, outlook crashes. You need to use the folder pane accessed by ctrl+shift+tab.

 

Pranav

 


Now available: DAISY version of Welcome to NVDA 2018

 

Hi everyone,

 

Thanks to AccessiDocs project from Pennsylvania Council of the Blind, an audio DAISY version of Welcome to NVDA 2018 tutorial set is now available from:

http://www.josephsl.net/files/nvda18/DB-Welcome_to_NVDA_2018-by-Joseph_lee.zip

 

The DAISY book is a bit out of date, but for the most part, it is up to date.

 

Also, a UK-based charity named BCAB has offered to distribute this tutorial set on physical media for a fee.

 

Enjoy.

Cheers,

Joseph


Re: Admin: Re: [nvda] Google drive nagging

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

Don't worry, I get this sort of odd behaviour all the time here, including messages out of order and all sorts.
Weird, but probably explainable.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <gsasner@ripco.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, February 09, 2018 12:44 PM
Subject: Re: Admin: Re: [nvda] Google drive nagging


Brian, Kerryn and all

Brian
I saw your message about my message not being received by you. I was curious and checked the archives. It appears not to be there. I'm not sure why the message didn't get to the list. So my message last night appears to be the first time my discussion reached the list.

Kerryn
I'm sorry the message said I sent a message specifically to you. While there is nothing wrong with that, since you didn't see it, I should have just said I sent a message asking you or asking that, or something without the emphasis.

Gene


Re: Some issues

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

Have you got the latest updates to both windows 10 and particularly Office 2016, as the thing about crashing seems to be very like an issue from some months ago now.
I don't know about the stopping talking but it might be advantageous if you can get it to do it predictable to get narrator running as well as nvda then induce the muting behaviour and see if narrator can see anything screen wise that is maybe giving an explanation, such as, and this is only a for instance. An error state about nvda that it is unable to recover from until a set time has passed. Perhaps a locked file has stopped the core or something like that.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Othoniel Cavanellas " <ocavanellas@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, February 09, 2018 11:51 AM
Subject: [nvda] Some issues


Hello,

I have been using NVDA for the past 30 days and I am experiencing problems
with Outlook 2016. If NVDA is active, whenever I switch from one mailbox to
another, Outlook crashes and is restarted. It also happens when I open
certain types of messages, normally messages with some type of image
inbedded (in this case I close NVDA and the message opens OK). I also
tested shutting down the antivirus to see if I was affecting NVDA, but the
problems persist.



Below you have my PC config:



Windows 10 PRO Portuguese version 1709 edition 16299.192

NVDA version 2017.4

MS Office 365

Trendmicro Maximum Security

Another issue is that sometimes NVDA mutes for no reason, and suddenly
restarts talking, or if I force its restart, it works again.



Can you guys help me with these problems?



Many thanks and greetings from Brazil!



Othoniel Cavanellas

Rio de Janeiro




Re: Admin: Re: [nvda] Google drive nagging

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Possibly is, but a lot of people see it as being polite. I'd rather it said thanks to xxx and xxx so and so fixed my problem or did not fix it etc, as that would advise people on where to look next time.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <gsasner@ripco.com>
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Sent: Friday, February 09, 2018 12:04 PM
Subject: Re: Admin: Re: [nvda] Google drive nagging


This is a rule in Netiquette and I would think that the majority of lists enforce it since such messages have no useful or additional information, just thanks.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Michael Capelle
Sent: Friday, February 09, 2018 2:12 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: Admin: Re: [nvda] Google drive nagging


hey gene, this is how i run my list to, i also do not allow me to messages, or one liners.


From: Gene
Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2018 10:26 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Admin: Re: [nvda] Google drive nagging

I sent a message as moderator specifically asking you not to send thank you messages. Did you see it? If you want to write someone on list and say thank you along with another message such as your messages that ask people to write you privately, that's alright. (I've seen four or perhaps more messages this evening that say nothing but thank you . This is list clutter. If you want. thank people in advance in your initial message or send one thank you message after you've seen enough replies that you think it's appropriate. But no more than one.

How many people would want to be on this or other lists if everyone who asked a question and got multiple answers sent thank you messages in response to every message they got? The list would be three fourths thank you messages and no one would want to be on it.

Gene
----- Original Message ------

From: Kerryn Gunness via Groups.Io
Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2018 8:12 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Google drive nagging

thanks brian
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Sent: Thursday, February 8, 2018 10:01 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Google drive nagging

Well assuming windows 7 or later DRopbox seems to me to be faster and more intuitive in use.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: Kerryn Gunness via GroupsIo
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2018 6:04 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Google drive nagging

in comparing google drive to dropbox, which one is more reliable and more accessible?

----- Original Message -----
From: Sarah k Alawami
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2018 1:34 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Google drive nagging

I use google back up and sync. It's very accessible and works well. I also ise iDrive as well for my more important stuff.



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Well at the moment it has just stopped synchronising so I guess that answers part of the question, nice of them to give me about half an hours warning. Thanks google.
Brian

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Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2018 9:08 AM
Subject: [nvda] Google drive nagging



I see that Google drive are nagging me to update to the back up and restore new version. I disabled updates some time ago to keep the old format as nvda would not work very well with the newer versions coming out and also they were crashing machines all over the place
Is it now safe to update as the cryptic message its putting up every so often is that its no longer supported, which could just mean its not ever going to get security updates or that they intend to stop users with the old software from accessing the system any more. I have no idea which, but a few days after Google also nagging me to not use email clients to access their accounts they do seem to be getting a bit too aggressive toward their users in my view.

Is there any other easy to use cloud storage that can run on old xp machines,which is the only real reason for using google drive at all since dropbox stopped its software running, mainly due to the fact that they started to use a newer code compiler that made code that fell over on xp.
Brian

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