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Yes but I had serious issues on windows 7 with it
crashing. Now the weird thing is that it looks like they have also abandoned xp
completely, which was the only reason I was still it as other machines run
dropbox and it seems a whole lot slicker than the google drive
offering.
The amd chipped old xp machines now have no
into virus or google drive as the new version will not install due to code
issues and the processor.
I'm not having a moan, but just wonder how many old
xp users will now continue to use their machines with broken security and
hacked cloud storage.
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Subject: Re: [nvda] Google drive
nagging
I use google back up and sync. It's very accessible and
works well. I also ise iDrive as well for my more important stuff.
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at the moment it has just stopped synchronising so I guess that
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[nvda] Google drive nagging
I see that Google drive are nagging me to update to the back
up and restore new version. I disabled updates some time ago to keep
the old format as nvda would not work very well with the newer versions
coming out and also they were crashing machines all over the place
Is
it now safe to update as the cryptic message its putting up every so often
is that its no longer supported, which could just mean its not ever going
to get security updates or that they intend to stop users with the old
software from accessing the system any more. I have no idea which, but a
few days after Google also nagging me to not use email clients to access
their accounts they do seem to be getting a bit too aggressive
toward their users in my view.
Is there any other easy to use
cloud storage that can run on old xp machines,which is the only real
reason for using google drive at all since dropbox stopped its software
running, mainly due to the fact that they started to use a newer code
compiler that made code that fell over on xp.
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Subject: Re: [nvda] programming
question
Hi
Kerryn,
NVDA
works great with the following languages: HTML, CSS, PHP, JavaScript, Python,
SQL. I know there are more that it probably works well with but those are the
ones I can personally speak to. As to editors, Notepad++ is what I personally
use and it’s wonderful as long as you remember to set up a profile to have all
punctuation read. Hope this helps.
Rayn
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Subject: [nvda] programming
question
1
does NVDA work with python or any popular programming language?
2
in developing websites, what software do you all use, note pad, note pad ++ or
an external software like dream wever or fireworks?
is
NVDA accessible with these?
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Wednesday, February 7, 2018 8:21 PM
Subject:
Re: [nvda] NVDA question
Hi everyone,
Sorry, I was out all day
yesterday, so coming back in late to all the questions. It looks like
most have been answered.
Re the OCR, if you are
using Windows 10 and NVDA 20173 or later, you don't need an addon for
OCR. If you are using an either version of either NVDA or Windows,
then you will need the addon. Basically, the OCR works on images,
whether jpg graphic files or PDF documents etc. It won't do the
scanning of hardcopy documents itself - to do that you will need scanning
software. Any hardware scanner should come with software, and possibly
also an OCR program, though how accessible and how good any of them are
varies. So the Windows 10 OCR, or the addon are really useful, but
likely not a complete replacement for an OCR package like Omnipage or Abbyy
Finereader, particularly for converting hardcopy documents into electronic
text.
The other thing to
consider is why you want to move the mouse. Depending on where you are
and what you are trying to do, NVDA has a feature called "object navigation"
which is very powerful although does take a little bit to get your head
around. Essentially object navigation lets you move through the
objects in the current program (and out of the current program).
Microsoft Word for instance has objects for the ribbon, the scroll bars,
ruler and main document. When you go into an object (say the ribbon),
you can move through the ribbon sections, then go down into a particular
section to navigate through the ribbon items in that section. Some
people like it for navigating the ribbon, but another thing you can do with
it, is get to features which you can't ordinarily get to with the keyboard
and interact with it - it can be used to read, and copy read only text on a
dialog box for instance.
Bonus tip: You can copy
the text from a dialog box which has focus, by simply pressing
CONTROL+C. For instance, open Notepad, type something, press
ALT+F4. A dialog will appear asking "Do you want to save changes to
untitled" with buttons for "save", "don't save" and "cancel". To copy
all that, simply press CONTROL+C. It copies the following to the
clipboard:
Do you want to save
changes to Untitled?
[Save] [Don't Save]
[Cancel]
On Thu, Feb 8, 2018 at
5:42 AM, Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...>
wrote:
Hi
If you look in
the menus of nvda by pressing the nvda key + letter N then go down to
preferences then right to general settings then down to windows 10 ocr there
will be a menu there but is more to set your language. You must also have
windows 10 as well at present i am using nvda 2017.4.
When you want
to ocr say a photo with text etc in it make sure it is in focus then use the
nvda key + letter R.
it will start recognizing it and rip the text
out of it of which then you can arrow up and down to see what is there. It
brings up a little windows where you can do that and even do it letter by
letter and character by character. It can also be copied and
pasted.
If you do not have a windows 10 machine that option will not
be there.
Instead then you have to use the other ocr add on and it is
slightly different to read the text. I can give directions to use that one
and point you in the right direction if this is the case.
Gene nz
On 2/7/2018 9:02 PM, Alma
wrote:
Hi
Tina,
I’d like to
know, too.
Alma
Sent
from Mail for Windows 10
I keep hearing that there is an OCR option
for nvda is it true OCR? And that you can scan a piece of mail or a book
with it? If that's true, how does it work and where do you get it I looked
and can't find it and only see stuff about recognizing images on the
screen like on Facebook or something but then I keep hearing that there is
actual OCR so can someone tell me how to find it and if that's true or not
thanks
sent from my android
On Feb 6,
2018 6:39 PM, "Kerryn Gunness via Groups.Io" <k_gunness=yahoo.ca@groups.io>
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Re: [nvda] NVDA question
- NVDA-S
- 2) there will be
an addin coming out soon doing exactley what you ask for
Cheers,
Ralf
1
how to turn off and on speach mode in NVDA
2
how to have numlock key be off when computer starts using NVDA and
start it when u want
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Subject:
Re: [nvda] NVDA question
Hi Kerryn,
I copied this from last
October's In-Process re using OCR.
Basically:
To do OCR with NVDA 2017.4 on
Windows 10:
1. Open the PDF file in Adobe
Reader.
2.
Press NVDA+r. NVDA reports “Recognising”. After a pause,
NVDA reports “Result document”.
3. Although visually, the screen hasn’t
changed, NVDA has placed the text recognised in the image in a
“virtual document”. You can navigate around this just like a
document in WordPad. Press NVDA+down
arrow (laptop: NVDA+a) to read the whole
document from the current point.
4. Press control+home to
move to the top of the virtual document.
5. Press down arrow to
move through and read the text line by line.
6. When finished,
press escape to exit the virtual
document.
Or,
using Windows 7 or 8 OR NVDA earlier than
2017.3:
1.
Open the PDF file in Adobe Reader
2.
Press NVDA+r. NVDA reports “Recognising”. After a pause,
NVDA reports “Done”.
3. Although visually, the screen hasn’t
changed, NVDA has placed the text recognised in the image in a
“virtual document”. You can navigate around this using the review
cursor. Press numpad
plus (laptop: NVDA+shift+a) to read the whole
document from the current point
4. Press shift+numpad
7 (laptop: NVDA+control+home) to move to the
top of the virtual document.
5. Press numpad
9 (laptop: NVDA+down arrow) to move through and
read the text line by line.
With
regard to "utilising the mouse arrow", could you please clarify
exactly what you are trying to do? Yes it is possible to do
several things either with the mouse, or to the mouse and with
further information, I can give you steps for that
also.
On Tue, Feb 6, 2018 at 11:17
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wrote:
1
how to use NVDA to do OCR? say for pdf
documents
2
with jaws the mouse arrow is utilised, could the mouse arrow be
used with NVDA?
hey
devin could u contact me privately?
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Sunday, February 4, 2018 6:18 PM
Subject:
Re: [nvda] Substitute punctuation marks with
sounds
I like the idea too, along
with voice changes or sounds to denote different attributes,
such as style changes in word and email, or HTML elements on the
web.
Devin
Prater
Assistive Technology
Instructor
Error!
Filename not specified.
,
Microsoft Outlook, Excel, Word, and Powerpoint instructor
certified by World Services for the Blind
On Feb 4, 2018, at 2:21
PM, Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@...>
wrote:
This actually reminds me
of JFW in that an attachment was detected and for me I had a
sliding tone play so I could know what was going on very
quickly. I like the idea actually.
You
are assuming a sound would be wanted for every punctuation
sign. And at least in Engglish and many languages,
there aren't that many. Period, question mark, colon,
semicolon quotation marks and you might want a sound for
ellipsis. You could have more sounds as well.
You could have sounds in the pronunciation dictionary so you
can assign sounds for whatever you want. The user
could even put sound files in the program if he/she doesn't
like what is provided. Now let's see what kinds of
sounds we might have Bell, whistle, door close, door
open, chime, and all sorts of variations such as high pitch
bell, low pitch bell, car dor, a door such as in a house,
and other people may come up with all sorts of other
examples. The world is full of distinctive
sounds. And JAWS has had such a feature for probably
over a dedcade so this is not at all a novel
idea.
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February 04, 2018 2:54 AM
Subject: Re:
[nvda] Substitute punctuation marks with
sounds
No
maybe not but this would need a lot of sounds and I question
how easy it
might
be to come up with enough of them to be easy to
recognise.
Brian
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Sent:
Saturday, February 03, 2018 1:49 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda]
Substitute punctuation marks with sounds
The user
would select the sound for the specific punctuation.
There
wouldn't
be preassigned sounds.
Gene
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Subject:
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sounds
I'm sure you were aware that there was a
now dead comedian who made a lot of
money with his
monologues where he substituted sounds for
Punctuation!
Victor Borge'
Now my one problem with
having a mode like this is, given the number of
different
marks and their meaning in different circumstances in
different
languages, it could need one heck of a
lot of individual sounds to cover
them all. I do know
what you are getting at different sorts of brackets
and
colons etc, are main candidates, with underscores
being also useful.
Maybe this is add on territory ie
a programmers version as most of us prefer
not to hear
these greater thans etc all over the place, but obviously
such
things are important in programming as are brackets
and indents etc.
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To:
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Sent:
Friday, February 02, 2018 10:16 PM
Subject: [nvda]
Substitute punctuation marks with sounds
>
Hello all,
>
> Is there a way to substitute
punctuation marks with custom sounds? I am a
>
developer and often times I have to listen to tongue
twisters of
> punctuation marks, like "left bracket
right brace left paren .." I wish
> to replace all
these parens and brackets with sounds. Is there a way to
do
> so in NVDA?
>
> Thanks
>
Tony
>
>
>
>
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Sent: Thursday, February 8, 2018 8:28
PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] programming
question
Hi Kerryn,
In terms of coding websites, I'll leave that to others to answer, as I
haven't done a lot of that lately - certainly if you do it old-school with a
text editor you shouldn't have any problems, but hopefully others can answer a
bit more about the fancier WYSIWYG editors.
Kind regards
Quentin.
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thank u ereck
could u contact me privately?
email is
skype is
kerryn.gunness
thanks
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Sent: Thursday, February 8, 2018 9:38
PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] programming
question
Greetings. I am a
programming student in second semester of a three year college program.
Last semester, I did javascript,
html, and css in notepad plusplus and I did sql in microsoft sequal server
2016. I also did the text based stuff on my android phone using droid
edit, but that's no matter as far as NVDA is concerned.
This semester I'm doing csharp
also called c# in microsoft visual studio. I'm doing json in notepad
plusplus, and tsql in sequal server.
I am not running into any
barriers in notepad plusplus, ms sequal server, or ms visual studio as far as
the introductory lessons that a first year programming student gets to do.
I do have some minor
annoyances. For example, sequal server with nvda announces each line
number which I find super helpful. Notepad plusplus, visual studio and
nvda do not announce line numbers. I can use go to line in all three but
it's slow if one has to guess the line number.
Visual studio, NVDA announces
when a control in the designer lies within a group box; however, I have not
yet twigged to how to group controls or get their positions relative to the
group box. Since it doesn't stop me from coding, I suspect it will be
some time before I address this problem fully.
Visual studio, first letter
navigation doesn't work in the properties list. If you start typing, it
changes the value of the currently selected property.
I've filed all this under "sh*t
you have to put up with" for the time being unless some one has quick and
dirty solutions.
I have not gotten to touch
eclypse yet and may never for purposes of this diploma. My college is a
very hard line microsoft school, though we are touching storage systems with
python later on in the semester.
That's all I got as far as
monderings of a first year programming student goes. Over all, I am
completely satisfied with nvda performance in all of the programming
environments I tried so far.
Hope this helps,
Erik
On
February 8, 2018 7:13:05 PM "Kerryn Gunness via Groups.Io"
<k_gunness@...> wrote:
hi guys
1 does NVDA work with python or any popular
programming language?
2 in developing websites, what software do you
all use, note pad, note pad ++ or an external software like dream wever or
fireworks?
is NVDA accessible with these?
thanks
kerryn
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, February 7, 2018
8:21 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA
question
Hi everyone,
Sorry, I was out all day yesterday, so coming back in late to all the
questions. It looks like most have been answered.
Re the OCR, if you are using Windows 10 and NVDA 2017.3 or later, you
don't need an addon for OCR. If you are using an either version of
either NVDA or Windows, then you will need the addon. Basically, the
OCR works on images, whether jpg graphic files or PDF documents etc.
It won't do the scanning of hardcopy documents itself - to do that you
will need scanning software. Any hardware scanner should come with
software, and possibly also an OCR program, though how accessible and how
good any of them are varies. So the Windows 10 OCR, or the addon are
really useful, but likely not a complete replacement for an OCR package
like Omnipage or Abbyy Finereader, particularly for converting hardcopy
documents into electronic text.
The other thing to consider is why you want to move the mouse.
Depending on where you are and what you are trying to do, NVDA has a
feature called "object navigation" which is very powerful although does
take a little bit to get your head around. Essentially object
navigation lets you move through the objects in the current program (and
out of the current program). Microsoft Word for instance has objects
for the ribbon, the scroll bars, ruler and main document. When you
go into an object (say the ribbon), you can move through the ribbon
sections, then go down into a particular section to navigate through the
ribbon items in that section. Some people like it for navigating the
ribbon, but another thing you can do with it, is get to features which you
can't ordinarily get to with the keyboard and interact with it - it can be
used to read, and copy read only text on a dialog box for instance.
Bonus tip: You can copy the text from a dialog box which has focus,
by simply pressing CONTROL+C. For instance, open Notepad, type
something, press ALT+F4. A dialog will appear asking "Do you want to
save changes to untitled" with buttons for "save", "don't save" and
"cancel". To copy all that, simply press CONTROL+C. It copies
the following to the clipboard:
[Window Title]
Notepad
[Main Instruction]
Do you want to save changes to Untitled?
[Save] [Don't Save] [Cancel]
Kind regards
Quentin.
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Hi Erik,
Re the line numbers in NotePad++, in NVDA's document formatting you can enable reporting of line numbers. Press NVDA+control+d, then either tab to line numbers, or press alt+n to jump straight to line numbers (pressing alt+n toggles it, using tab you will then need to press spacebar).
Note that if you have word wrap enabled (NotePad++'s View menu), then you may not get the line number read out every time you press up or down arrow, as what fits visually on the current monitor in the chosen font may be less than long lines of text in the document itself.
Regards
Quentin.
On Fri, Feb 9, 2018 at 12:38 PM, erik burggraaf <erik@...> wrote:
Greetings. I am a programming student in second semester of a three year college program.
Last semester, I did javascript, html, and css in notepad plusplus and I did sql in microsoft sequal server 2016. I also did the text based stuff on my android phone using droid edit, but that's no matter as far as NVDA is concerned.
This semester I'm doing csharp also called c# in microsoft visual studio. I'm doing json in notepad plusplus, and tsql in sequal server.
I am not running into any barriers in notepad plusplus, ms sequal server, or ms visual studio as far as the introductory lessons that a first year programming student gets to do.
I do have some minor annoyances. For example, sequal server with nvda announces each line number which I find super helpful. Notepad plusplus, visual studio and nvda do not announce line numbers. I can use go to line in all three but it's slow if one has to guess the line number.
Visual studio, NVDA announces when a control in the designer lies within a group box; however, I have not yet twigged to how to group controls or get their positions relative to the group box. Since it doesn't stop me from coding, I suspect it will be some time before I address this problem fully.
Visual studio, first letter navigation doesn't work in the properties list. If you start typing, it changes the value of the currently selected property.
I've filed all this under "sh*t you have to put up with" for the time being unless some one has quick and dirty solutions.
I have not gotten to touch eclypse yet and may never for purposes of this diploma. My college is a very hard line microsoft school, though we are touching storage systems with python later on in the semester.
That's all I got as far as monderings of a first year programming student goes. Over all, I am completely satisfied with nvda performance in all of the programming environments I tried so far.
Hope this helps,
Erik
On February 8, 2018 7:13:05 PM "Kerryn Gunness via Groups.Io" <k_gunness=yahoo.ca@groups.io> wrote:
hi guys
1 does NVDA work with python or any popular
programming language?
2 in developing websites, what software do you all
use, note pad, note pad ++ or an external software like dream wever or
fireworks?
is NVDA accessible with these?
thanks
kerryn
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, February 7, 2018 8:21
PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA question
Hi everyone,
Sorry, I was out all day yesterday, so coming back in late to all the
questions. It looks like most have been answered.
Re the OCR, if you are using Windows 10 and NVDA 2017.3 or later, you
don't need an addon for OCR. If you are using an either version of
either NVDA or Windows, then you will need the addon. Basically, the OCR
works on images, whether jpg graphic files or PDF documents etc. It
won't do the scanning of hardcopy documents itself - to do that you will need
scanning software. Any hardware scanner should come with software, and
possibly also an OCR program, though how accessible and how good any of them
are varies. So the Windows 10 OCR, or the addon are really useful, but
likely not a complete replacement for an OCR package like Omnipage or Abbyy
Finereader, particularly for converting hardcopy documents into electronic
text.
The other thing to consider is why you want to move the mouse.
Depending on where you are and what you are trying to do, NVDA has a feature
called "object navigation" which is very powerful although does take a little
bit to get your head around. Essentially object navigation lets you move
through the objects in the current program (and out of the current
program). Microsoft Word for instance has objects for the ribbon, the
scroll bars, ruler and main document. When you go into an object (say
the ribbon), you can move through the ribbon sections, then go down into a
particular section to navigate through the ribbon items in that section.
Some people like it for navigating the ribbon, but another thing you can do
with it, is get to features which you can't ordinarily get to with the
keyboard and interact with it - it can be used to read, and copy read only
text on a dialog box for instance.
Bonus tip: You can copy the text from a dialog box which has focus, by
simply pressing CONTROL+C. For instance, open Notepad, type something,
press ALT+F4. A dialog will appear asking "Do you want to save changes
to untitled" with buttons for "save", "don't save" and "cancel". To copy
all that, simply press CONTROL+C. It copies the following to the
clipboard:
[Window Title]
Notepad
[Main Instruction]
Do you want to save changes to Untitled?
[Save] [Don't Save] [Cancel]
Kind regards
Quentin.
-- Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager
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erik burggraaf <erik@...>
Greetings. I am a programming student in second semester of a three year college program.
Last semester, I did javascript, html, and css in notepad plusplus and I did sql in microsoft sequal server 2016. I also did the text based stuff on my android phone using droid edit, but that's no matter as far as NVDA is concerned.
This semester I'm doing csharp also called c# in microsoft visual studio. I'm doing json in notepad plusplus, and tsql in sequal server.
I am not running into any barriers in notepad plusplus, ms sequal server, or ms visual studio as far as the introductory lessons that a first year programming student gets to do.
I do have some minor annoyances. For example, sequal server with nvda announces each line number which I find super helpful. Notepad plusplus, visual studio and nvda do not announce line numbers. I can use go to line in all three but it's slow if one has to guess the line number.
Visual studio, NVDA announces when a control in the designer lies within a group box; however, I have not yet twigged to how to group controls or get their positions relative to the group box. Since it doesn't stop me from coding, I suspect it will be some time before I address this problem fully.
Visual studio, first letter navigation doesn't work in the properties list. If you start typing, it changes the value of the currently selected property.
I've filed all this under "sh*t you have to put up with" for the time being unless some one has quick and dirty solutions.
I have not gotten to touch eclypse yet and may never for purposes of this diploma. My college is a very hard line microsoft school, though we are touching storage systems with python later on in the semester.
That's all I got as far as monderings of a first year programming student goes. Over all, I am completely satisfied with nvda performance in all of the programming environments I tried so far.
Hope this helps,
Erik
On February 8, 2018 7:13:05 PM "Kerryn Gunness via Groups.Io" <k_gunness@...> wrote:
hi guys
1 does NVDA work with python or any popular
programming language?
2 in developing websites, what software do you all
use, note pad, note pad ++ or an external software like dream wever or
fireworks?
is NVDA accessible with these?
thanks
kerryn
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, February 7, 2018 8:21
PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA question
Hi everyone,
Sorry, I was out all day yesterday, so coming back in late to all the
questions. It looks like most have been answered.
Re the OCR, if you are using Windows 10 and NVDA 2017.3 or later, you
don't need an addon for OCR. If you are using an either version of
either NVDA or Windows, then you will need the addon. Basically, the OCR
works on images, whether jpg graphic files or PDF documents etc. It
won't do the scanning of hardcopy documents itself - to do that you will need
scanning software. Any hardware scanner should come with software, and
possibly also an OCR program, though how accessible and how good any of them
are varies. So the Windows 10 OCR, or the addon are really useful, but
likely not a complete replacement for an OCR package like Omnipage or Abbyy
Finereader, particularly for converting hardcopy documents into electronic
text.
The other thing to consider is why you want to move the mouse.
Depending on where you are and what you are trying to do, NVDA has a feature
called "object navigation" which is very powerful although does take a little
bit to get your head around. Essentially object navigation lets you move
through the objects in the current program (and out of the current
program). Microsoft Word for instance has objects for the ribbon, the
scroll bars, ruler and main document. When you go into an object (say
the ribbon), you can move through the ribbon sections, then go down into a
particular section to navigate through the ribbon items in that section.
Some people like it for navigating the ribbon, but another thing you can do
with it, is get to features which you can't ordinarily get to with the
keyboard and interact with it - it can be used to read, and copy read only
text on a dialog box for instance.
Bonus tip: You can copy the text from a dialog box which has focus, by
simply pressing CONTROL+C. For instance, open Notepad, type something,
press ALT+F4. A dialog will appear asking "Do you want to save changes
to untitled" with buttons for "save", "don't save" and "cancel". To copy
all that, simply press CONTROL+C. It copies the following to the
clipboard:
[Window Title]
Notepad
[Main Instruction]
Do you want to save changes to Untitled?
[Save] [Don't Save] [Cancel]
Kind regards
Quentin.
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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Pranav Lal Sent: Thursday, February 8, 2018 7:43 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Unable to Start Outlook 2016 While Running NVDA Ralf, How are you changing folders in Outlook 2016? There is a known bug where if you use ctrl+y and the resulting tree view to switch folders, outlook crashes. You need to use the folder pane accessed by ctrl+shift+tab. Pranav
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Re: Unable to Start Outlook 2016 While Running NVDA
Pranav Lal
Ralf, How are you changing folders in Outlook 2016? There is a known bug where if you use ctrl+y and the resulting tree view to switch folders, outlook crashes. You need to use the folder pane accessed by ctrl+shift+tab. Pranav
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Hi Kerryn,
In terms of coding websites, I'll leave that to others to answer, as I haven't done a lot of that lately - certainly if you do it old-school with a text editor you shouldn't have any problems, but hopefully others can answer a bit more about the fancier WYSIWYG editors.
Kind regards
Quentin.
On Fri, Feb 9, 2018 at 11:11 AM, Kerryn Gunness via Groups.Io <k_gunness@...> wrote:
hi guys
1 does NVDA work with python or any popular
programming language?
2 in developing websites, what software do you all
use, note pad, note pad ++ or an external software like dream wever or
fireworks?
is NVDA accessible with these?
thanks
kerryn
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, February 7, 2018 8:21
PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA question
Hi everyone,
Sorry, I was out all day yesterday, so coming back in late to all the
questions. It looks like most have been answered.
Re the OCR, if you are using Windows 10 and NVDA 2017.3 or later, you
don't need an addon for OCR. If you are using an either version of
either NVDA or Windows, then you will need the addon. Basically, the OCR
works on images, whether jpg graphic files or PDF documents etc. It
won't do the scanning of hardcopy documents itself - to do that you will need
scanning software. Any hardware scanner should come with software, and
possibly also an OCR program, though how accessible and how good any of them
are varies. So the Windows 10 OCR, or the addon are really useful, but
likely not a complete replacement for an OCR package like Omnipage or Abbyy
Finereader, particularly for converting hardcopy documents into electronic
text.
The other thing to consider is why you want to move the mouse.
Depending on where you are and what you are trying to do, NVDA has a feature
called "object navigation" which is very powerful although does take a little
bit to get your head around. Essentially object navigation lets you move
through the objects in the current program (and out of the current
program). Microsoft Word for instance has objects for the ribbon, the
scroll bars, ruler and main document. When you go into an object (say
the ribbon), you can move through the ribbon sections, then go down into a
particular section to navigate through the ribbon items in that section.
Some people like it for navigating the ribbon, but another thing you can do
with it, is get to features which you can't ordinarily get to with the
keyboard and interact with it - it can be used to read, and copy read only
text on a dialog box for instance.
Bonus tip: You can copy the text from a dialog box which has focus, by
simply pressing CONTROL+C. For instance, open Notepad, type something,
press ALT+F4. A dialog will appear asking "Do you want to save changes
to untitled" with buttons for "save", "don't save" and "cancel". To copy
all that, simply press CONTROL+C. It copies the following to the
clipboard:
[Window Title]
Notepad
[Main Instruction]
Do you want to save changes to Untitled?
[Save] [Don't Save] [Cancel]
Kind regards
Quentin.
-- Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager
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Hi Kerryn, NVDA works great with the following languages: HTML, CSS, PHP, JavaScript, Python, SQL. I know there are more that it probably works well with but those are the ones I can personally speak to. As to editors, Notepad++ is what I personally use and it’s wonderful as long as you remember to set up a profile to have all punctuation read. Hope this helps. Rayn
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Kerryn Gunness via Groups.Io
Sent: Thursday, February 8, 2018 4:12 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] programming question 1 does NVDA work with python or any popular programming language? 2 in developing websites, what software do you all use, note pad, note pad ++ or an external software like dream wever or fireworks? is NVDA accessible with these? ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Wednesday, February 7, 2018 8:21 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA question Hi everyone, Sorry, I was out all day yesterday, so coming back in late to all the questions. It looks like most have been answered. Re the OCR, if you are using Windows 10 and NVDA 2017.3 or later, you don't need an addon for OCR. If you are using an either version of either NVDA or Windows, then you will need the addon. Basically, the OCR works on images, whether jpg graphic files or PDF documents etc. It won't do the scanning of hardcopy documents itself - to do that you will need scanning software. Any hardware scanner should come with software, and possibly also an OCR program, though how accessible and how good any of them are varies. So the Windows 10 OCR, or the addon are really useful, but likely not a complete replacement for an OCR package like Omnipage or Abbyy Finereader, particularly for converting hardcopy documents into electronic text. The other thing to consider is why you want to move the mouse. Depending on where you are and what you are trying to do, NVDA has a feature called "object navigation" which is very powerful although does take a little bit to get your head around. Essentially object navigation lets you move through the objects in the current program (and out of the current program). Microsoft Word for instance has objects for the ribbon, the scroll bars, ruler and main document. When you go into an object (say the ribbon), you can move through the ribbon sections, then go down into a particular section to navigate through the ribbon items in that section. Some people like it for navigating the ribbon, but another thing you can do with it, is get to features which you can't ordinarily get to with the keyboard and interact with it - it can be used to read, and copy read only text on a dialog box for instance. Bonus tip: You can copy the text from a dialog box which has focus, by simply pressing CONTROL+C. For instance, open Notepad, type something, press ALT+F4. A dialog will appear asking "Do you want to save changes to untitled" with buttons for "save", "don't save" and "cancel". To copy all that, simply press CONTROL+C. It copies the following to the clipboard: Do you want to save changes to Untitled? [Save] [Don't Save] [Cancel] On Thu, Feb 8, 2018 at 5:42 AM, Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...> wrote: Hi
If you look in the menus of nvda by pressing the nvda key + letter N then go down to preferences then right to general settings then down to windows 10 ocr there will be a menu there but is more to set your language. You must also have windows 10 as well at present i am using nvda 2017.4.
When you want to ocr say a photo with text etc in it make sure it is in focus then use the nvda key + letter R.
it will start recognizing it and rip the text out of it of which then you can arrow up and down to see what is there. It brings up a little windows where you can do that and even do it letter by letter and character by character. It can also be copied and pasted.
If you do not have a windows 10 machine that option will not be there.
Instead then you have to use the other ocr add on and it is slightly different to read the text. I can give directions to use that one and point you in the right direction if this is the case.
Gene nz
On 2/7/2018 9:02 PM, Alma wrote: Hi Tina, I’d like to know, too. Alma
Sent from Mail for Windows 10 I keep hearing that there is an OCR option for nvda is it true OCR? And that you can scan a piece of mail or a book with it? If that's true, how does it work and where do you get it I looked and can't find it and only see stuff about recognizing images on the screen like on Facebook or something but then I keep hearing that there is actual OCR so can someone tell me how to find it and if that's true or not thanks sent from my android On Feb 6, 2018 6:39 PM, "Kerryn Gunness via Groups.Io" <k_gunness=yahoo.ca@groups.io> wrote: ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Tuesday, February 6, 2018 3:27 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA question - NVDA-S
- 2) there will be an addin coming out soon doing exactley what you ask for
Cheers, Ralf 1 how to turn off and on speach mode in NVDA 2 how to have numlock key be off when computer starts using NVDA and start it when u want ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Monday, February 05, 2018 10:00 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA question Hi Kerryn, I copied this from last October's In-Process re using OCR. Basically: To do OCR with NVDA 2017.4 on Windows 10: 1. Open the PDF file in Adobe Reader. 2. Press NVDA+r. NVDA reports “Recognising”. After a pause, NVDA reports “Result document”.
3. Although visually, the screen hasn’t changed, NVDA has placed the text recognised in the image in a “virtual document”. You can navigate around this just like a document in WordPad. Press NVDA+down arrow (laptop: NVDA+a) to read the whole document from the current point.
4. Press control+home to move to the top of the virtual document.
5. Press down arrow to move through and read the text line by line.
6. When finished, press escape to exit the virtual document. Or, using Windows 7 or 8 OR NVDA earlier than 2017.3: 1. Open the PDF file in Adobe Reader 2. Press NVDA+r. NVDA reports “Recognising”. After a pause, NVDA reports “Done”.
3. Although visually, the screen hasn’t changed, NVDA has placed the text recognised in the image in a “virtual document”. You can navigate around this using the review cursor. Press numpad plus (laptop: NVDA+shift+a) to read the whole document from the current point
4. Press shift+numpad 7 (laptop: NVDA+control+home) to move to the top of the virtual document.
5. Press numpad 9 (laptop: NVDA+down arrow) to move through and read the text line by line. With regard to "utilising the mouse arrow", could you please clarify exactly what you are trying to do? Yes it is possible to do several things either with the mouse, or to the mouse and with further information, I can give you steps for that also. On Tue, Feb 6, 2018 at 11:17 AM, Kerryn Gunness via Groups.Io <k_gunness@...> wrote: 1 how to use NVDA to do OCR? say for pdf documents 2 with jaws the mouse arrow is utilised, could the mouse arrow be used with NVDA? hey devin could u contact me privately? ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Sunday, February 4, 2018 6:18 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] Substitute punctuation marks with sounds I like the idea too, along with voice changes or sounds to denote different attributes, such as style changes in word and email, or HTML elements on the web. Devin Prater
Assistive Technology Instructor Error! Filename not specified.
, Microsoft Outlook, Excel, Word, and Powerpoint instructor certified by World Services for the Blind On Feb 4, 2018, at 2:21 PM, Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@...> wrote: This actually reminds me of JFW in that an attachment was detected and for me I had a sliding tone play so I could know what was going on very quickly. I like the idea actually. You are assuming a sound would be wanted for every punctuation sign. And at least in Engglish and many languages, there aren't that many. Period, question mark, colon, semicolon quotation marks and you might want a sound for ellipsis. You could have more sounds as well. You could have sounds in the pronunciation dictionary so you can assign sounds for whatever you want. The user could even put sound files in the program if he/she doesn't like what is provided. Now let's see what kinds of sounds we might have Bell, whistle, door close, door open, chime, and all sorts of variations such as high pitch bell, low pitch bell, car dor, a door such as in a house, and other people may come up with all sorts of other examples. The world is full of distinctive sounds. And JAWS has had such a feature for probably over a dedcade so this is not at all a novel idea. ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Sunday, February 04, 2018 2:54 AM Subject: Re: [nvda] Substitute punctuation marks with sounds No maybe not but this would need a lot of sounds and I question how easy it
might be to come up with enough of them to be easy to recognise.
Brian
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From: "Gene" <gsasner@...>
To: <nvda@...>
Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2018 1:49 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Substitute punctuation marks with sounds
The user would select the sound for the specific punctuation. There
wouldn't be preassigned sounds.
Gene
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From: Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2018 5:27 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Substitute punctuation marks with sounds
I'm sure you were aware that there was a now dead comedian who made a lot of
money with his monologues where he substituted sounds for Punctuation!
Victor Borge'
Now my one problem with having a mode like this is, given the number of
different marks and their meaning in different circumstances in different
languages, it could need one heck of a lot of individual sounds to cover
them all. I do know what you are getting at different sorts of brackets and
colons etc, are main candidates, with underscores being also useful.
Maybe this is add on territory ie a programmers version as most of us prefer
not to hear these greater thans etc all over the place, but obviously such
things are important in programming as are brackets and indents etc.
Brian
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From: "Tony Malykh" <anton.malykh@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, February 02, 2018 10:16 PM
Subject: [nvda] Substitute punctuation marks with sounds
> Hello all,
>
> Is there a way to substitute punctuation marks with custom sounds? I am a
> developer and often times I have to listen to tongue twisters of
> punctuation marks, like "left bracket right brace left paren .." I wish
> to replace all these parens and brackets with sounds. Is there a way to do
> so in NVDA?
>
> Thanks
> Tony
>
>
>
>
-- Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager
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Re: suggestion for feedback
I think it works well overall. I think sometimes it can be overwhelming, particularly if you go to the "main" page which initially links to code and can be confusing for a non-technical user who just wants to share a problem they are having.
I generally link to the issues page: https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues and if I'm encouraging someone to report an issue, I'll often give them the direct link to create a new issue: https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/new That "form" only has two things you need to fill in - a subject, and a description, and basically if you put in as much information as you can that you think might be relevant, we can skip over anything we don't need, and we'll ask for clarification if we do need more.
It is worth explaining now and then (as I hope I did) why people need to register.
If someone does have trouble filing an issue themselves, then I am willing to do it. I do try to encourage people to do it themselves though because then they will get the responses and any questions directly.
On Fri, Feb 9, 2018 at 10:49 AM, Jason White via Groups.Io <jason@...> wrote: I think GitHub issue tracking is the right tool for the purpose. From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: Thursday, February 8, 2018 6:46 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] suggestion for feedback Hi Rusty, Having a link directly to the issue tracker (even to create a new issue) isn't a bad idea (unfortunately it will require someone to create an issue on Github to get the ball rolling *grin*). As we use GitHub, it would still open a browser and you would need to be logged into (or create) a Github account. Even if we moved away from Github to another issue tracker, I don't see a way around that, as the issue tracker does several things: 1. It keeps track of issues that people raise and allows them to be prioritised and followed through to completion. 2. By registering, it allows the developers to ask follow-up questions, provide links to test builds so the original person (and anyone else interested) can see if we have indeed resolved the issue. 3. It allows issues to be searchable and keeps them all in one place. If we just had say a "provide feedback" option in NVDA which simply sent us an e-mail with your problem / idea / etc, then it would be hard to keep track of who had asked for what, how many people were having a particular problem, and we would get a lot of duplicate e-mails. The other thing with Github is that while NV Access has several in-house developers, there are many others around the world who also contribute code, testing, feedback and other assistance and we need a central repository to make that all possible. If you e-mailed me and asked for a particular feature, we can look at it, but it might be something that isn't a high enough priority to get to immediately. It might however, be something one of our other contributors has an interest in and would like to write some code to support and they may be able to get to it faster, but I don't necessarily know who might be interested. On Fri, Feb 9, 2018 at 9:35 AM, Rusty Perez <rustys.lists@...> wrote: Hey folks,
I think it would be a GREAT idea for NVDA to have a feedback option
right in the NVDA menu.
"report a problem" or something like that.
Honestly, it's easier for me to just use another browser than to slog
through a registration and goofing around in github to report a
problem.
I know, NVDA is donation ware, but it might make the product even
better to make giving feedback a more painless process. :)
<div id="DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2"><br />
<table style="border-top: 1px solid #D3D4DE;">
<tr>
<td style="width: 55px; padding-top: 13px;"><a
href="http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail"
target="_blank"><img
src="https://ipmcdn.avast.com/images/icons/icon-envelope-tick-green-avg-v1.png"
alt="" width="46" height="29" style="width: 46px; height: 29px;"
/></a></td>
<td style="width: 470px; padding-top: 12px; color: #41424e;
font-size: 13px; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;
line-height: 18px;">Virus-free. <a
href="http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail"
target="_blank" style="color: #4453ea;">www.avg.com</a>
</td>
</tr>
</table><a href="#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2" width="1"
height="1"></a></div>
On 2/8/18, Rusty Perez <rustys.lists@...> wrote:
> Well, my fix was Chrome browser. :)
> Works just fine so far. So, this is not an NVDA and windows thing as
> far as I can tell.
>
> Rusty
> <div id="DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2"><br />
> <table style="border-top: 1px solid #D3D4DE;">
> <tr>
> <td style="width: 55px; padding-top: 13px;"><a
> href="http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail"
> target="_blank"><img
> src="https://ipmcdn.avast.com/images/icons/icon-envelope-tick-green-avg-v1.png"
> alt="" width="46" height="29" style="width: 46px; height: 29px;"
> /></a></td>
> <td style="width: 470px; padding-top: 12px; color: #41424e;
> font-size: 13px; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;
> line-height: 18px;">Virus-free. <a
> href="http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail"
> target="_blank" style="color: #4453ea;">www.avg.com</a>
> </td>
> </tr>
> </table><a href="#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2" width="1"
> height="1"></a></div>
>
> On 2/8/18, Kevin Cussick via Groups.Io
> <the.big.white.shepherd=googlemail.com@groups.io> wrote:
>> no help but I have reported this more than once. but don't have a fix.
>> using windows 10 64 bit and ff ESR what ever the latest incarnation of
>> this is hope this helps. and fire fox is 32 bit.
>>
>> On 08/02/2018 19:23, Rusty Perez wrote:
>>> Hey folks,
>>>
>>> For the past few weeks this has been getting progressively worse.
>>> I bring up FF and hafter just a few minutes of reading a page, or
>>> scrolling down in emails, NVDA goes silent. I wait for a few moments
>>> and speech comes back.
>>>
>>> any thoughts, or fixes.<div
>>> id="DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2"><br
>>> />
>>> <table style="border-top: 1px solid #D3D4DE;">
>>> <tr>
>>> <td style="width: 55px; padding-top: 13px;"><a
>>> href="http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail"
>>> target="_blank"><img
>>> src="https://ipmcdn.avast.com/images/icons/icon-envelope-tick-green-avg-v1.png"
>>> alt="" width="46" height="29" style="width: 46px; height: 29px;"
>>> /></a></td>
>>> <td style="width: 470px; padding-top: 12px; color: #41424e;
>>> font-size: 13px; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;
>>> line-height: 18px;">Virus-free. <a
>>> href="http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail"
>>> target="_blank" style="color: #4453ea;">www.avg.com</a>
>>> </td>
>>> </tr>
>>> </table><a href="#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2" width="1"
>>> height="1"></a></div>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
-- Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager
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If they haven't updated it in over two years, I
wouldn't count on updates in future. I think its unconscionable to release
a product with an obvious defect, I heard it almost right awayWhen I tried the
demo, and not correct it in a reasonable time.
There is a SAPI 5 version of Eloquence that works
properly. I don't recall who makes it but other list members can tell you
more about it.
Gene
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----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2018 5:28 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] code factory voices
I think this is some kind of
artefacting with the Eloquence voice. Others have reported the same thing.
Nothing to be done at the moment, I suppose, other than try a different
synth.
Hi All,
Has code factory updated their voices since 2015? I have
version 1.1.0.
The issue I have is that when using eloquence, I hear a
crackle in the voice every so often and its really annoying. The eloquence
voice in Jaws, is super clear.
Any ideas? Thanks for any help in advance.
Best,
Juan Hernandez
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hi guys
1 does NVDA work with python or any popular
programming language?
2 in developing websites, what software do you all
use, note pad, note pad ++ or an external software like dream wever or
fireworks?
is NVDA accessible with these?
thanks
kerryn
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, February 7, 2018 8:21
PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA question
Hi everyone,
Sorry, I was out all day yesterday, so coming back in late to all the
questions. It looks like most have been answered.
Re the OCR, if you are using Windows 10 and NVDA 2017.3 or later, you
don't need an addon for OCR. If you are using an either version of
either NVDA or Windows, then you will need the addon. Basically, the OCR
works on images, whether jpg graphic files or PDF documents etc. It
won't do the scanning of hardcopy documents itself - to do that you will need
scanning software. Any hardware scanner should come with software, and
possibly also an OCR program, though how accessible and how good any of them
are varies. So the Windows 10 OCR, or the addon are really useful, but
likely not a complete replacement for an OCR package like Omnipage or Abbyy
Finereader, particularly for converting hardcopy documents into electronic
text.
The other thing to consider is why you want to move the mouse.
Depending on where you are and what you are trying to do, NVDA has a feature
called "object navigation" which is very powerful although does take a little
bit to get your head around. Essentially object navigation lets you move
through the objects in the current program (and out of the current
program). Microsoft Word for instance has objects for the ribbon, the
scroll bars, ruler and main document. When you go into an object (say
the ribbon), you can move through the ribbon sections, then go down into a
particular section to navigate through the ribbon items in that section.
Some people like it for navigating the ribbon, but another thing you can do
with it, is get to features which you can't ordinarily get to with the
keyboard and interact with it - it can be used to read, and copy read only
text on a dialog box for instance.
Bonus tip: You can copy the text from a dialog box which has focus, by
simply pressing CONTROL+C. For instance, open Notepad, type something,
press ALT+F4. A dialog will appear asking "Do you want to save changes
to untitled" with buttons for "save", "don't save" and "cancel". To copy
all that, simply press CONTROL+C. It copies the following to the
clipboard:
[Window Title]
Notepad
[Main Instruction]
Do you want to save changes to Untitled?
[Save] [Don't Save] [Cancel]
Kind regards
Quentin.
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Yeah! I find it to be very laggy with the crackling
from time to time. I think the crackling occurs more frequently when on the web
and web pages are refreshing.
Andy
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Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2018 3:43
PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] code factory
voices
I don't know, but I can say that I've not used it in some time
because it was not intermittent for me, it was very persistent and
annoying.
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Re: suggestion for feedback
I think GitHub issue tracking is the right tool for the purpose.
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: Thursday, February 8, 2018 6:46 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] suggestion for feedback Hi Rusty, Having a link directly to the issue tracker (even to create a new issue) isn't a bad idea (unfortunately it will require someone to create an issue on Github to get the ball rolling *grin*). As we use GitHub, it would still open a browser and you would need to be logged into (or create) a Github account. Even if we moved away from Github to another issue tracker, I don't see a way around that, as the issue tracker does several things: 1. It keeps track of issues that people raise and allows them to be prioritised and followed through to completion. 2. By registering, it allows the developers to ask follow-up questions, provide links to test builds so the original person (and anyone else interested) can see if we have indeed resolved the issue. 3. It allows issues to be searchable and keeps them all in one place. If we just had say a "provide feedback" option in NVDA which simply sent us an e-mail with your problem / idea / etc, then it would be hard to keep track of who had asked for what, how many people were having a particular problem, and we would get a lot of duplicate e-mails. The other thing with Github is that while NV Access has several in-house developers, there are many others around the world who also contribute code, testing, feedback and other assistance and we need a central repository to make that all possible. If you e-mailed me and asked for a particular feature, we can look at it, but it might be something that isn't a high enough priority to get to immediately. It might however, be something one of our other contributors has an interest in and would like to write some code to support and they may be able to get to it faster, but I don't necessarily know who might be interested. On Fri, Feb 9, 2018 at 9:35 AM, Rusty Perez <rustys.lists@...> wrote: Hey folks,
I think it would be a GREAT idea for NVDA to have a feedback option
right in the NVDA menu.
"report a problem" or something like that.
Honestly, it's easier for me to just use another browser than to slog
through a registration and goofing around in github to report a
problem.
I know, NVDA is donation ware, but it might make the product even
better to make giving feedback a more painless process. :)
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font-size: 13px; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;
line-height: 18px;">Virus-free. <a
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On 2/8/18, Rusty Perez <rustys.lists@...> wrote:
> Well, my fix was Chrome browser. :)
> Works just fine so far. So, this is not an NVDA and windows thing as
> far as I can tell.
>
> Rusty
> <div id="DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2"><br />
> <table style="border-top: 1px solid #D3D4DE;">
> <tr>
> <td style="width: 55px; padding-top: 13px;"><a
> href="http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail"
> target="_blank"><img
> src="https://ipmcdn.avast.com/images/icons/icon-envelope-tick-green-avg-v1.png"
> alt="" width="46" height="29" style="width: 46px; height: 29px;"
> /></a></td>
> <td style="width: 470px; padding-top: 12px; color: #41424e;
> font-size: 13px; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;
> line-height: 18px;">Virus-free. <a
> href="http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail"
> target="_blank" style="color: #4453ea;">www.avg.com</a>
> </td>
> </tr>
> </table><a href="#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2" width="1"
> height="1"></a></div>
>
> On 2/8/18, Kevin Cussick via Groups.Io
> <the.big.white.shepherd=googlemail.com@groups.io> wrote:
>> no help but I have reported this more than once. but don't have a fix.
>> using windows 10 64 bit and ff ESR what ever the latest incarnation of
>> this is hope this helps. and fire fox is 32 bit.
>>
>> On 08/02/2018 19:23, Rusty Perez wrote:
>>> Hey folks,
>>>
>>> For the past few weeks this has been getting progressively worse.
>>> I bring up FF and hafter just a few minutes of reading a page, or
>>> scrolling down in emails, NVDA goes silent. I wait for a few moments
>>> and speech comes back.
>>>
>>> any thoughts, or fixes.<div
>>> id="DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2"><br
>>> />
>>> <table style="border-top: 1px solid #D3D4DE;">
>>> <tr>
>>> <td style="width: 55px; padding-top: 13px;"><a
>>> href="http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail"
>>> target="_blank"><img
>>> src="https://ipmcdn.avast.com/images/icons/icon-envelope-tick-green-avg-v1.png"
>>> alt="" width="46" height="29" style="width: 46px; height: 29px;"
>>> /></a></td>
>>> <td style="width: 470px; padding-top: 12px; color: #41424e;
>>> font-size: 13px; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;
>>> line-height: 18px;">Virus-free. <a
>>> href="http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail"
>>> target="_blank" style="color: #4453ea;">www.avg.com</a>
>>> </td>
>>> </tr>
>>> </table><a href="#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2" width="1"
>>> height="1"></a></div>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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-- Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager
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Re: suggestion for feedback
Hi Rusty,
Having a link directly to the issue tracker (even to create a new issue) isn't a bad idea (unfortunately it will require someone to create an issue on Github to get the ball rolling *grin*). As we use GitHub, it would still open a browser and you would need to be logged into (or create) a Github account. Even if we moved away from Github to another issue tracker, I don't see a way around that, as the issue tracker does several things: 1. It keeps track of issues that people raise and allows them to be prioritised and followed through to completion. 2. By registering, it allows the developers to ask follow-up questions, provide links to test builds so the original person (and anyone else interested) can see if we have indeed resolved the issue. 3. It allows issues to be searchable and keeps them all in one place.
If we just had say a "provide feedback" option in NVDA which simply sent us an e-mail with your problem / idea / etc, then it would be hard to keep track of who had asked for what, how many people were having a particular problem, and we would get a lot of duplicate e-mails.
The other thing with Github is that while NV Access has several in-house developers, there are many others around the world who also contribute code, testing, feedback and other assistance and we need a central repository to make that all possible. If you e-mailed me and asked for a particular feature, we can look at it, but it might be something that isn't a high enough priority to get to immediately. It might however, be something one of our other contributors has an interest in and would like to write some code to support and they may be able to get to it faster, but I don't necessarily know who might be interested.
Regards
Quentin.
On Fri, Feb 9, 2018 at 9:35 AM, Rusty Perez <rustys.lists@...> wrote: Hey folks,
I think it would be a GREAT idea for NVDA to have a feedback option
right in the NVDA menu.
"report a problem" or something like that.
Honestly, it's easier for me to just use another browser than to slog
through a registration and goofing around in github to report a
problem.
I know, NVDA is donation ware, but it might make the product even
better to make giving feedback a more painless process. :)
<div id="DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2"><br />
<table style="border-top: 1px solid #D3D4DE;">
<tr>
<td style="width: 55px; padding-top: 13px;"><a
href="http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail"
target="_blank"><img
src="https://ipmcdn.avast.com/images/icons/icon-envelope-tick-green-avg-v1.png"
alt="" width="46" height="29" style="width: 46px; height: 29px;"
/></a></td>
<td style="width: 470px; padding-top: 12px; color: #41424e;
font-size: 13px; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;
line-height: 18px;">Virus-free. <a
href="http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail"
target="_blank" style="color: #4453ea;">www.avg.com</a>
</td>
</tr>
</table><a href="#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2" width="1"
height="1"></a></div>
On 2/8/18, Rusty Perez <rustys.lists@...> wrote:
> Well, my fix was Chrome browser. :)
> Works just fine so far. So, this is not an NVDA and windows thing as
> far as I can tell.
>
> Rusty
> <div id="DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2"><br />
> <table style="border-top: 1px solid #D3D4DE;">
> <tr>
> <td style="width: 55px; padding-top: 13px;"><a
> href="http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail"
> target="_blank"><img
> src="https://ipmcdn.avast.com/images/icons/icon-envelope-tick-green-avg-v1.png"
> alt="" width="46" height="29" style="width: 46px; height: 29px;"
> /></a></td>
> <td style="width: 470px; padding-top: 12px; color: #41424e;
> font-size: 13px; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;
> line-height: 18px;">Virus-free. <a
> href="http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail"
> target="_blank" style="color: #4453ea;">www.avg.com</a>
> </td>
> </tr>
> </table><a href="#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2" width="1"
> height="1"></a></div>
>
> On 2/8/18, Kevin Cussick via Groups.Io
> <the.big.white.shepherd=googlemail.com@groups.io> wrote:
>> no help but I have reported this more than once. but don't have a fix.
>> using windows 10 64 bit and ff ESR what ever the latest incarnation of
>> this is hope this helps. and fire fox is 32 bit.
>>
>> On 08/02/2018 19:23, Rusty Perez wrote:
>>> Hey folks,
>>>
>>> For the past few weeks this has been getting progressively worse.
>>> I bring up FF and hafter just a few minutes of reading a page, or
>>> scrolling down in emails, NVDA goes silent. I wait for a few moments
>>> and speech comes back.
>>>
>>> any thoughts, or fixes.<div
>>> id="DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2"><br
>>> />
>>> <table style="border-top: 1px solid #D3D4DE;">
>>> <tr>
>>> <td style="width: 55px; padding-top: 13px;"><a
>>> href="http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail"
>>> target="_blank"><img
>>> src="https://ipmcdn.avast.com/images/icons/icon-envelope-tick-green-avg-v1.png"
>>> alt="" width="46" height="29" style="width: 46px; height: 29px;"
>>> /></a></td>
>>> <td style="width: 470px; padding-top: 12px; color: #41424e;
>>> font-size: 13px; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;
>>> line-height: 18px;">Virus-free. <a
>>> href="http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail"
>>> target="_blank" style="color: #4453ea;">www.avg.com</a>
>>> </td>
>>> </tr>
>>> </table><a href="#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2" width="1"
>>> height="1"></a></div>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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-- Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager
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Brandon Cross <bcross3286@...>
I don't know, but I can say that I've not used it in some time because it was not intermittent for me, it was very persistent and annoying.
On Thu, Feb 8, 2018 at 6:05 PM, Juan Hernandez <juanhernandez98@...> wrote: Hi All, Has code factory updated their voices since 2015? I have version 1.1.0. The issue I have is that when using eloquence, I hear a crackle in the voice every so often and its really annoying. The eloquence voice in Jaws, is super clear. Any ideas? Thanks for any help in advance. Best, Juan Hernandez Juanhernandez98@... 619-750-9431 (M) | 858-777-3311 (F) My WebSite | Twitter | FaceBook | LinkedIn
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JM Casey <crystallogic@...>
I think this is some kind of artefacting with the Eloquence voice. Others have reported the same thing. Nothing to be done at the moment, I suppose, other than try a different synth.
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Juan Hernandez
Sent: February 8, 2018 6:06 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] code factory voices Hi All, Has code factory updated their voices since 2015? I have version 1.1.0. The issue I have is that when using eloquence, I hear a crackle in the voice every so often and its really annoying. The eloquence voice in Jaws, is super clear. Any ideas? Thanks for any help in advance. Best, Juan Hernandez Juanhernandez98@... 619-750-9431 (M) | 858-777-3311 (F) My WebSite | Twitter | FaceBook | LinkedIn
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Hi All, Has code factory updated their voices since 2015? I have version 1.1.0. The issue I have is that when using eloquence, I hear a crackle in the voice every so often and its really annoying. The eloquence voice in Jaws, is super clear. Any ideas? Thanks for any help in advance. Best, Juan Hernandez Juanhernandez98@... 619-750-9431 (M) | 858-777-3311 (F) My WebSite | Twitter | FaceBook | LinkedIn
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Hey folks, I think it would be a GREAT idea for NVDA to have a feedback option right in the NVDA menu. "report a problem" or something like that. Honestly, it's easier for me to just use another browser than to slog through a registration and goofing around in github to report a problem. I know, NVDA is donation ware, but it might make the product even better to make giving feedback a more painless process. :) <div id="DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2"><br /> <table style="border-top: 1px solid #D3D4DE;"> <tr> <td style="width: 55px; padding-top: 13px;"><a href=" http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email&;utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail" target="_blank"><img src=" https://ipmcdn.avast.com/images/icons/icon-envelope-tick-green-avg-v1.png"; alt="" width="46" height="29" style="width: 46px; height: 29px;" /></a></td> <td style="width: 470px; padding-top: 12px; color: #41424e; font-size: 13px; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; line-height: 18px;">Virus-free. <a href=" http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email&;utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail" target="_blank" style="color: #4453ea;">www.avg.com</a> </td> </tr> </table><a href="#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2" width="1" height="1"></a></div>
On 2/8/18, Rusty Perez <rustys.lists@gmail.com> wrote: Well, my fix was Chrome browser. :)
Works just fine so far. So, this is not an NVDA and windows thing as
far as I can tell.
Rusty
<div id="DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2"><br />
<table style="border-top: 1px solid #D3D4DE;">
<tr>
<td style="width: 55px; padding-top: 13px;"><a
href="http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email&;utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail"
target="_blank"><img
src="https://ipmcdn.avast.com/images/icons/icon-envelope-tick-green-avg-v1.png";
alt="" width="46" height="29" style="width: 46px; height: 29px;"
/></a></td>
<td style="width: 470px; padding-top: 12px; color: #41424e;
font-size: 13px; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;
line-height: 18px;">Virus-free. <a
href="http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email&;utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail"
target="_blank" style="color: #4453ea;">www.avg.com</a>
</td>
</tr>
</table><a href="#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2" width="1"
height="1"></a></div>
On 2/8/18, Kevin Cussick via Groups.Io
<the.big.white.shepherd=googlemail.com@groups.io> wrote:
no help but I have reported this more than once. but don't have a fix.
using windows 10 64 bit and ff ESR what ever the latest incarnation of
this is hope this helps. and fire fox is 32 bit.
On 08/02/2018 19:23, Rusty Perez wrote:
Hey folks,
For the past few weeks this has been getting progressively worse.
I bring up FF and hafter just a few minutes of reading a page, or
scrolling down in emails, NVDA goes silent. I wait for a few moments
and speech comes back.
any thoughts, or fixes.<div
id="DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2"><br
/>
<table style="border-top: 1px solid #D3D4DE;">
<tr>
<td style="width: 55px; padding-top: 13px;"><a
href="http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email&;utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail"
target="_blank"><img
src="https://ipmcdn.avast.com/images/icons/icon-envelope-tick-green-avg-v1.png";
alt="" width="46" height="29" style="width: 46px; height: 29px;"
/></a></td>
<td style="width: 470px; padding-top: 12px; color: #41424e;
font-size: 13px; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;
line-height: 18px;">Virus-free. <a
href="http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email&;utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail"
target="_blank" style="color: #4453ea;">www.avg.com</a>
</td>
</tr>
</table><a href="#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2" width="1"
height="1"></a></div>
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