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Re: Google drive nagging

Sarah k Alawami
 

I dont know. Both are very reliable an the price of google storage is better. Having said all of that, I do use both.

T

On Feb 8, 2018, at 10:04 AM, Kerryn Gunness via Groups.Io <k_gunness@...> wrote:

in comparing google drive to dropbox, which one is more reliable and more accessible?
 
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I use google back up and sync. It's very accessible and works well. I also ise iDrive as well for my more important stuff.

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Well at  the moment it has just stopped synchronising so I guess that answers part of the question, nice of them to give me about half an hours warning. Thanks google.
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Subject: [nvda] Google drive nagging


I see that Google drive are nagging me to update to the back up and restore new version. I disabled updates  some time ago to keep the old format as nvda would not work very well with the newer versions coming out and also they were crashing machines all over the place
Is it now safe to update as the cryptic message its putting up every so often is that its no longer supported, which could just mean its not ever going to get security updates or that they intend to stop users with the old software from accessing the system any more. I have no idea which, but a few days after Google also nagging me to not use email clients to access their accounts they do seem to be getting a bit too aggressive  toward their users in my view.

Is there any other easy to use cloud storage that can run on old xp machines,which is the only real reason for using google drive at all since dropbox stopped its software running, mainly due to the fact that they started to use a newer code compiler that made code that fell over on xp.
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Re: Google drive nagging

Kerryn Gunness
 

in comparing google drive to dropbox, which one is more reliable and more accessible?
 

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I use google back up and sync. It's very accessible and works well. I also ise iDrive as well for my more important stuff.

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Well at  the moment it has just stopped synchronising so I guess that answers part of the question, nice of them to give me about half an hours warning. Thanks google.
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Subject: [nvda] Google drive nagging


I see that Google drive are nagging me to update to the back up and restore new version. I disabled updates  some time ago to keep the old format as nvda would not work very well with the newer versions coming out and also they were crashing machines all over the place
Is it now safe to update as the cryptic message its putting up every so often is that its no longer supported, which could just mean its not ever going to get security updates or that they intend to stop users with the old software from accessing the system any more. I have no idea which, but a few days after Google also nagging me to not use email clients to access their accounts they do seem to be getting a bit too aggressive  toward their users in my view.

Is there any other easy to use cloud storage that can run on old xp machines,which is the only real reason for using google drive at all since dropbox stopped its software running, mainly due to the fact that they started to use a newer code compiler that made code that fell over on xp.
Brian

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Re: Google drive nagging

Sarah k Alawami
 

I use google back up and sync. It's very accessible and works well. I also ise iDrive as well for my more important stuff.

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Well at  the moment it has just stopped synchronising so I guess that answers part of the question, nice of them to give me about half an hours warning. Thanks google.
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Subject: [nvda] Google drive nagging


I see that Google drive are nagging me to update to the back up and restore new version. I disabled updates  some time ago to keep the old format as nvda would not work very well with the newer versions coming out and also they were crashing machines all over the place
Is it now safe to update as the cryptic message its putting up every so often is that its no longer supported, which could just mean its not ever going to get security updates or that they intend to stop users with the old software from accessing the system any more. I have no idea which, but a few days after Google also nagging me to not use email clients to access their accounts they do seem to be getting a bit too aggressive  toward their users in my view.

Is there any other easy to use cloud storage that can run on old xp machines,which is the only real reason for using google drive at all since dropbox stopped its software running, mainly due to the fact that they started to use a newer code compiler that made code that fell over on xp.
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Re: Kindle program and NVDA

Mallard
 

Hello Ryan,


Ask your friend do re-download the book, with the new installer you sent, and see if the option is available  from the menu. If it is, it means he's got the old version of the book, downloaded with the rpevious version of Kindle for Pc, and he should obtain a newer format.


Feel free to contact me off-list at


mallard@kimabe.eu


if you feel I can be of further help.

Ciao,

Ollie

Il 08/02/2018 16:47, ryan chou ha scritto:
In theory my friend should have the latest version, I sent the
installer straight from the website. Although they did used to have an
older version of the program, like way, way out of date... so maybe
the problem's being caused from some left over data that wasn't
overwritten? First thing though I think will probably be to try the
reinstalling after clearing everything out.
Thanks.

On 2/8/18, Mallard <mallard@kimabe.eu> wrote:
Hello Ryan,


Sorry for chiming in here. I've only just seen this, and wonder whether
your friend has the latest Kindle for Pc version.


I have an older version on my netbook, and tehe newest on this machine.
If I download my Kindle books on the netbook, I get a non-navigable
version, pretty much like the older format Amazon used to have.


If I re-download the same title on this machine, with the latest Kindle
version, I get a navigable version (hope the word "navigable" isn't made
up... lol!).


This, of course, provided the title does have both versions available.


Usually, the newer format comes as a folder, while the older one comes
as three single files, which include the azw file.


hth,

Ciao,

Ollie





Il 08/02/2018 03:42, ryan chou ha scritto:
Thanks, I'll get my friend to try doing that and see if it works.
As to the problem, it's pretty much that issue exactly. When I remoted
in, the best I can get is that the book opens fine, you can even read
perfectly fine using the review keys, but you can't just normally
navigate using browse mode or say all.
Thanks for your assistance.

On 2/7/18, Quentin Christensen <quentin@nvaccess.org> wrote:
Are they getting any kind of error message or can they give any
information
about exactly what is happening (or not happening) and where everything
is
not working please?

If they can recreate the issue and then get a copy of the log to send us
that might help shed light on what is happening - they (or you) can
email
it to me at info@nvaccess.org and I'll have a look.

Just looking through our issues, if I search for Kindle:
https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues?q=is%3Aissue+kindle+is%3Aopen I
get 7 open issues, none of which seem to match the information you've
given
so far. There is one closed issue:
https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/7661 The user was on Windows 10
and
broadly said they couldn't get books to read. They did advise that when
they uninstalled Kindle, cleared their library and reinstalled Kindle
everything worked. While a bit annoying, that's potentially one avenue
to
try to resolve it.

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Wed, Feb 7, 2018 at 12:28 PM, ryan chou <ryan.chou1997@gmail.com>
wrote:

Hi all,
I was wondering if someone could help troubleshoot an issue with the
windows version of the kindle reader? I am posting on behalf of a
friend.
Recently, my friend was having some issues with this thing, and
couldn't
actually read any books normally. Long story short, I sent said friend
a
portable copy of my NVDA installation, which seemed to have fixed the
issue, and they were able to read books normally in browse mode.
However as of today, apparently the issue is back, and I have no ideas
on
what it could be, as I use the kindle reader too and I never had any
issues
at all. Restarting NVDA or the kindle program haven't fixed the issue,
and
the current book in question has already been read successfully so we
do
know it is supported. The only large difference I can think of is my
friend
using windows 7, and me being on 10.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks.


--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification now available:
http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

www.nvaccess.org
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Twitter: @NVAccess
Re: Just a Comment

Roger Stewart
 

Don't know about the weather add on, but most of the ones that check for updates you can disable this function if you wish.  Just as you can disable nvda from automatic checking for updates.  There should be a check box in there somewhere and you just uncheck it and save.

Roger








On 2/7/2018 9:50 PM, Howard Traxler wrote:
Again today, I got the message that there is an update for my weather add-on.  This is getting a bit too much.  Too many, too often.  I think I'll just disable it or remove it (if I can figure out how).  My Alexa will tell me anything I need to know.
 
Thanks for the add-on but not thanks for hounding me about updates.
 
Howard
Re: Kindle program and NVDA

ryan chou
 

In theory my friend should have the latest version, I sent the
installer straight from the website. Although they did used to have an
older version of the program, like way, way out of date... so maybe
the problem's being caused from some left over data that wasn't
overwritten? First thing though I think will probably be to try the
reinstalling after clearing everything out.
Thanks.

On 2/8/18, Mallard <mallard@kimabe.eu> wrote:
Hello Ryan,


Sorry for chiming in here. I've only just seen this, and wonder whether
your friend has the latest Kindle for Pc version.


I have an older version on my netbook, and tehe newest on this machine.
If I download my Kindle books on the netbook, I get a non-navigable
version, pretty much like the older format Amazon used to have.


If I re-download the same title on this machine, with the latest Kindle
version, I get a navigable version (hope the word "navigable" isn't made
up... lol!).


This, of course, provided the title does have both versions available.


Usually, the newer format comes as a folder, while the older one comes
as three single files, which include the azw file.


hth,

Ciao,

Ollie





Il 08/02/2018 03:42, ryan chou ha scritto:
Thanks, I'll get my friend to try doing that and see if it works.
As to the problem, it's pretty much that issue exactly. When I remoted
in, the best I can get is that the book opens fine, you can even read
perfectly fine using the review keys, but you can't just normally
navigate using browse mode or say all.
Thanks for your assistance.

On 2/7/18, Quentin Christensen <quentin@nvaccess.org> wrote:
Are they getting any kind of error message or can they give any
information
about exactly what is happening (or not happening) and where everything
is
not working please?

If they can recreate the issue and then get a copy of the log to send us
that might help shed light on what is happening - they (or you) can
email
it to me at info@nvaccess.org and I'll have a look.

Just looking through our issues, if I search for Kindle:
https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues?q=is%3Aissue+kindle+is%3Aopen I
get 7 open issues, none of which seem to match the information you've
given
so far. There is one closed issue:
https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/7661 The user was on Windows 10
and
broadly said they couldn't get books to read. They did advise that when
they uninstalled Kindle, cleared their library and reinstalled Kindle
everything worked. While a bit annoying, that's potentially one avenue
to
try to resolve it.

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Wed, Feb 7, 2018 at 12:28 PM, ryan chou <ryan.chou1997@gmail.com>
wrote:

Hi all,
I was wondering if someone could help troubleshoot an issue with the
windows version of the kindle reader? I am posting on behalf of a
friend.
Recently, my friend was having some issues with this thing, and
couldn't
actually read any books normally. Long story short, I sent said friend
a
portable copy of my NVDA installation, which seemed to have fixed the
issue, and they were able to read books normally in browse mode.
However as of today, apparently the issue is back, and I have no ideas
on
what it could be, as I use the kindle reader too and I never had any
issues
at all. Restarting NVDA or the kindle program haven't fixed the issue,
and
the current book in question has already been read successfully so we
do
know it is supported. The only large difference I can think of is my
friend
using windows 7, and me being on 10.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks.


--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification now available:
http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

www.nvaccess.org
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
Twitter: @NVAccess
Re: Outlook 2013 and NVDA locking on password prompt

Karim Lakhani <karim.lakhani@...>
 

I can't believe they still sell the usb attachment.
 
 
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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2018 7:48 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Outlook 2013 and NVDA locking on password prompt

I don't know how you use the laptop but if it were me, I'd get a USB numpad and use the desktop layout.  I looked at the laptop layout a while ago and I consider it very poorly laid out.  It may be necessary to lay it out that way to accommodate different languages being typed but, whatever the reason, it is not consistent as to commands as the desktop layout is.
 
Gene
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From: Pranav Lal
Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2018 5:33 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Outlook 2013 and NVDA locking on password prompt

Hi Gene and Jacob,

I am familiar with object nav and did not think of using that feature. My only problem is that I am on a laptop and am not used to the laptop keyboard’s number pad emulation. I will try this though.

 

Pranav
Re: Tha Alexa App on the pc

Karim Lakhani <karim.lakhani@...>
 

why is this off topic, just need a clarification.
Thanks.



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To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Tha Alexa App on the pc

This is drifting off topic a bit here.
My main issue is that increasingly Alexa says fewer things in audio and
suggests it has put the extra text on the alexa app. This I suspect is
because they are gradually going over toward the newer devices with
screens. a great way to show the sighted adverts. Cynical me?


I do not see the point of allowing your music to be used through the
d4evice, since my pc is already on the hi fi anyway.

I don't do prime and music, since I like physical media, but then that is
just me and my old fashioned ways!

I still find the app on the pc jumps off with no apparent logic to it.
maybe if I could have had a visual experience of it first I'd understand it
better.
Brian

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Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2018 5:58 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Tha Alexa App on the pc


I use Waterfox and confess that I have never made any reviews.

I nmormally use the app for setting up Alexa devices, enabling skills and
managing my flash Briefing.
I HAVE NOT REALLY USED THE Audible or Kindle parts of the Echo interface as

I use other devices for these.

Despite occasional clunkiness I kstil think Alexa and the Echo is a big
breakthrough for Blind users.
One of the best balue skills I think is the My Media Skill which for an
annual subscription of I think $4 or possibly £4 I cannot quite remember,
allows the streaming of all my locally stored Music from my PC and any
attached hard drives to any Echo device. It can also access my iTunes
Library.
There is an app which needs to be installed on your PC but this is
completely accessible with NVDA.
This skill/app combination is massively cheaper than the mainstream
streaming options. Given that I also have content to the relatively vast
number of songs available from Amazon Prime membership, if not the amount
available with Amazon unlimited this has pretty much met all my music
needs for a fraction of the price Spotify Google Apple etc want you to pay.

If you need portable music when away on holiday then buy a £29 Fire tablet

when it is on its regular offer price. Provided you have access to WiFi and

you have left your PC running you can then still access all your Music from

a device which in my view provides surprisingly good audio, especially if

connected to an external speaker.
People do not always realise that the fire Tablet is essentially also a
portable Echo. Just locate the home button, double tap and hold and this
will invoke the complete Alexa services. A two finger tap and hold on the
home screen apparently does the same thing.

David Griffith
My Blind Access and Guide dog Blog
http://dgriffithblog.wordpress.com/
My Blind hammer Blog
https://www.westhamtillidie.com/authors/blind-hammer/posts

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Subject: Re: [nvda] Tha Alexa App on the pc

Well after getting to the bit you want you are wandering down the list and
suddenly you are in home automation or some other random place. and typing
in to a review double speaks all the characters. This does not happen in
normal edit fields. its just clunky. Which browser do you use?
Brian

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Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2018 2:29 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Tha Alexa App on the pc


Which bitsd are you finding difficult?
Generally you have to hit the menu button at the top of the page to open
up
the tabs area of the site and then press enter on a tab to go to that
part
of the App.
It is not my most favorite web site but it does work for me.

The Alexa app on the iPhone also seems less clunky nowadays.

David Griffith
My Blind Access and Guide dog Blog
http://dgriffithblog.wordpress.com/
My Blind hammer Blog
https://www.westhamtillidie.com/authors/blind-hammer/posts

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Sent: 06 February 2018 20:19
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Tha Alexa App on the pc

This is a very quirky web app. it seems not to work very well for me at
least. Is there anything that can be done to de mystify it for use, or
would
that require a front end like twitter and Face book clients, assuming
nobody
can persuade Amazon to make it more intuitive in use.
Brian

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Re: Kindle program and NVDA

Mallard
 

Hello Ryan,


Sorry for chiming in here. I've only just seen this, and wonder whether your friend has the latest Kindle for Pc version.


I have an older version on my netbook, and tehe newest on this machine. If I download my Kindle books on the netbook, I get a non-navigable version, pretty much like the older format Amazon used to have.


If I re-download the same title on this machine, with the latest Kindle version, I get a navigable version (hope the word "navigable" isn't made up... lol!).


This, of course, provided the title does have both versions available.


Usually, the newer format comes as a folder, while the older one comes as three single files, which include the azw file.


hth,

Ciao,

Ollie

Il 08/02/2018 03:42, ryan chou ha scritto:
Thanks, I'll get my friend to try doing that and see if it works.
As to the problem, it's pretty much that issue exactly. When I remoted
in, the best I can get is that the book opens fine, you can even read
perfectly fine using the review keys, but you can't just normally
navigate using browse mode or say all.
Thanks for your assistance.

On 2/7/18, Quentin Christensen <quentin@nvaccess.org> wrote:
Are they getting any kind of error message or can they give any information
about exactly what is happening (or not happening) and where everything is
not working please?

If they can recreate the issue and then get a copy of the log to send us
that might help shed light on what is happening - they (or you) can email
it to me at info@nvaccess.org and I'll have a look.

Just looking through our issues, if I search for Kindle:
https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues?q=is%3Aissue+kindle+is%3Aopen I
get 7 open issues, none of which seem to match the information you've given
so far. There is one closed issue:
https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/7661 The user was on Windows 10 and
broadly said they couldn't get books to read. They did advise that when
they uninstalled Kindle, cleared their library and reinstalled Kindle
everything worked. While a bit annoying, that's potentially one avenue to
try to resolve it.

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Wed, Feb 7, 2018 at 12:28 PM, ryan chou <ryan.chou1997@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi all,
I was wondering if someone could help troubleshoot an issue with the
windows version of the kindle reader? I am posting on behalf of a friend.
Recently, my friend was having some issues with this thing, and couldn't
actually read any books normally. Long story short, I sent said friend a
portable copy of my NVDA installation, which seemed to have fixed the
issue, and they were able to read books normally in browse mode.
However as of today, apparently the issue is back, and I have no ideas on
what it could be, as I use the kindle reader too and I never had any
issues
at all. Restarting NVDA or the kindle program haven't fixed the issue,
and
the current book in question has already been read successfully so we do
know it is supported. The only large difference I can think of is my
friend
using windows 7, and me being on 10.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks.


--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification now available:
http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

www.nvaccess.org
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
Twitter: @NVAccess
Re: Google drive nagging

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Well at the moment it has just stopped synchronising so I guess that answers part of the question, nice of them to give me about half an hours warning. Thanks google.
Brian

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Subject: [nvda] Google drive nagging


I see that Google drive are nagging me to update to the back up and restore new version. I disabled updates some time ago to keep the old format as nvda would not work very well with the newer versions coming out and also they were crashing machines all over the place
Is it now safe to update as the cryptic message its putting up every so often is that its no longer supported, which could just mean its not ever going to get security updates or that they intend to stop users with the old software from accessing the system any more. I have no idea which, but a few days after Google also nagging me to not use email clients to access their accounts they do seem to be getting a bit too aggressive toward their users in my view.

Is there any other easy to use cloud storage that can run on old xp machines,which is the only real reason for using google drive at all since dropbox stopped its software running, mainly due to the fact that they started to use a newer code compiler that made code that fell over on xp.
Brian

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Google drive nagging

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I see that Google drive are nagging me to update to the back up and restore new version. I disabled updates some time ago to keep the old format as nvda would not work very well with the newer versions coming out and also they were crashing machines all over the place
Is it now safe to update as the cryptic message its putting up every so often is that its no longer supported, which could just mean its not ever going to get security updates or that they intend to stop users with the old software from accessing the system any more. I have no idea which, but a few days after Google also nagging me to not use email clients to access their accounts they do seem to be getting a bit too aggressive toward their users in my view.

Is there any other easy to use cloud storage that can run on old xp machines,which is the only real reason for using google drive at all since dropbox stopped its software running, mainly due to the fact that they started to use a newer code compiler that made code that fell over on xp.
Brian

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Re: Just a Comment

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Yes and add on or program generally should have the facility to turn off alerts about updates unless they are crucial to the function.

I have way too many bits of software that suddenly try to update and can cause a lot of trouble.
Brian

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From: "Howard Traxler" <howard@traxlerenterprises.com>
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Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2018 3:50 AM
Subject: [nvda] Just a Comment


Again today, I got the message that there is an update for my weather add-on. This is getting a bit too much. Too many, too often. I think I'll just disable it or remove it (if I can figure out how). My Alexa will tell me anything I need to know.

Thanks for the add-on but not thanks for hounding me about updates.

Howard
Re: Outlook 2013 and NVDA locking on password prompt

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No I tried to use a laptop with jaws the other day and failed miserably. I ewes not aware that there were still some keypads around. Not seen on for ages. a friend of mine is a lefty and finds the placement of the keypad very hard to use on most normal keyboards.
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Subject: Re: [nvda] Outlook 2013 and NVDA locking on password prompt


I don't know how you use the laptop but if it were me, I'd get a USB numpad and use the desktop layout. I looked at the laptop layout a while ago and I consider it very poorly laid out. It may be necessary to lay it out that way to accommodate different languages being typed but, whatever the reason, it is not consistent as to commands as the desktop layout is.

Gene
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Hi Gene and Jacob,

I am familiar with object nav and did not think of using that feature. My only problem is that I am on a laptop and am not used to the laptop keyboard's number pad emulation. I will try this though.



Pranav
Re: NVDA question on OCR

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To be honest I never had a lot of luck with the OCR in the add on myself. I guess because its a free one it has limitations so if your picture is in any way mis aligned or fuzzy Klingon is the result!
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Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2018 6:42 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA question


Hi

If you look in the menus of nvda by pressing the nvda key + letter N then go down to preferences then right to general settings then down to windows 10 ocr there will be a menu there but is more to set your language. You must also have windows 10 as well at present i am using nvda 2017.4.

When you want to ocr say a photo with text etc in it make sure it is in focus then use the nvda key + letter R.

it will start recognizing it and rip the text out of it of which then you can arrow up and down to see what is there. It brings up a little windows where you can do that and even do it letter by letter and character by character. It can also be copied and pasted.

If you do not have a windows 10 machine that option will not be there.

Instead then you have to use the other ocr add on and it is slightly different to read the text. I can give directions to use that one and point you in the right direction if this is the case.

Gene nz

On 2/7/2018 9:02 PM, Alma wrote:
Hi Tina,

I’d like to know, too.

Alma

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Sent: Tuesday, February 6, 2018 8:34 PM
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Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA question


I keep hearing that there is an OCR option for nvda is it true OCR? And that you can scan a piece of mail or a book with it? If that's true, how does it work and where do you get it I looked and can't find it and only see stuff about recognizing images on the screen like on Facebook or something but then I keep hearing that there is actual OCR so can someone tell me how to find it and if that's true or not thanks

sent from my android

On Feb 6, 2018 6:39 PM, "Kerryn Gunness via Groups.Io" <k_gunness=yahoo.ca@groups.io<mailto:yahoo.ca@groups.io>> wrote:
thanks
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Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA question


1. NVDA-S
2. 2) there will be an addin coming out soon doing exactley what you ask for

Cheers,
Ralf
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Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA question

1 how to turn off and on speach mode in NVDA
2 how to have numlock key be off when computer starts using NVDA and start it when u want


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Sent: Monday, February 05, 2018 10:00 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA question

Hi Kerryn,

I copied this from last October's In-Process re using OCR. Basically:

To do OCR with NVDA 2017.4 on Windows 10:
1. Open the PDF file in Adobe Reader.
2. Press NVDA+r. NVDA reports “Recognising”. After a pause, NVDA reports “Result document”.
3. Although visually, the screen hasn’t changed, NVDA has placed the text recognised in the image in a “virtual document”. You can navigate around this just like a document in WordPad. Press NVDA+down arrow (laptop: NVDA+a) to read the whole document from the current point.
4. Press control+home to move to the top of the virtual document.
5. Press down arrow to move through and read the text line by line.
6. When finished, press escape to exit the virtual document.

Or, using Windows 7 or 8 OR NVDA earlier than 2017.3:
1. Open the PDF file in Adobe Reader
2. Press NVDA+r. NVDA reports “Recognising”. After a pause, NVDA reports “Done”.
3. Although visually, the screen hasn’t changed, NVDA has placed the text recognised in the image in a “virtual document”. You can navigate around this using the review cursor. Press numpad plus (laptop: NVDA+shift+a) to read the whole document from the current point
4. Press shift+numpad 7 (laptop: NVDA+control+home) to move to the top of the virtual document.
5. Press numpad 9 (laptop: NVDA+down arrow) to move through and read the text line by line.

The article is: https://www.nvaccess.org/post/in-process-5th-october-2017/

With regard to "utilising the mouse arrow", could you please clarify exactly what you are trying to do? Yes it is possible to do several things either with the mouse, or to the mouse and with further information, I can give you steps for that also.

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Tue, Feb 6, 2018 at 11:17 AM, Kerryn Gunness via Groups.Io <k_gunness=yahoo.ca@groups.io<mailto:k_gunness=yahoo.ca@groups.io>> wrote:
1 how to use NVDA to do OCR? say for pdf documents
2 with jaws the mouse arrow is utilised, could the mouse arrow be used with NVDA?
hey devin could u contact me privately?
email is
k_gunness@yahoo.ca<mailto:k_gunness@yahoo.ca>
thanks
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Subject: Re: [nvda] Substitute punctuation marks with sounds

I like the idea too, along with voice changes or sounds to denote different attributes, such as style changes in word and email, or HTML elements on the web.
Devin Prater
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On Feb 4, 2018, at 2:21 PM, Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@gmail.com<mailto:marrie12@gmail.com>> wrote:

This actually reminds me of JFW in that an attachment was detected and for me I had a sliding tone play so I could know what was going on very quickly. I like the idea actually.

On Feb 4, 2018, at 3:12 AM, Gene <gsasner@ripco.com<mailto:gsasner@ripco.com>> wrote:

You are assuming a sound would be wanted for every punctuation sign. And at least in Engglish and many languages, there aren't that many. Period, question mark, colon, semicolon quotation marks and you might want a sound for ellipsis. You could have more sounds as well. You could have sounds in the pronunciation dictionary so you can assign sounds for whatever you want. The user could even put sound files in the program if he/she doesn't like what is provided. Now let's see what kinds of sounds we might have Bell, whistle, door close, door open, chime, and all sorts of variations such as high pitch bell, low pitch bell, car dor, a door such as in a house, and other people may come up with all sorts of other examples. The world is full of distinctive sounds. And JAWS has had such a feature for probably over a dedcade so this is not at all a novel idea.

Gene
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Subject: Re: [nvda] Substitute punctuation marks with sounds

No maybe not but this would need a lot of sounds and I question how easy it
might be to come up with enough of them to be easy to recognise.
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Subject: Re: [nvda] Substitute punctuation marks with sounds


The user would select the sound for the specific punctuation. There
wouldn't be preassigned sounds.

Gene
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I'm sure you were aware that there was a now dead comedian who made a lot of
money with his monologues where he substituted sounds for Punctuation!
Victor Borge'

Now my one problem with having a mode like this is, given the number of
different marks and their meaning in different circumstances in different
languages, it could need one heck of a lot of individual sounds to cover
them all. I do know what you are getting at different sorts of brackets and
colons etc, are main candidates, with underscores being also useful.

Maybe this is add on territory ie a programmers version as most of us prefer
not to hear these greater thans etc all over the place, but obviously such
things are important in programming as are brackets and indents etc.
Brian

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Sent: Friday, February 02, 2018 10:16 PM
Subject: [nvda] Substitute punctuation marks with sounds


Hello all,

Is there a way to substitute punctuation marks with custom sounds? I am a
developer and often times I have to listen to tongue twisters of
punctuation marks, like "left bracket right brace left paren .." I wish
to replace all these parens and brackets with sounds. Is there a way to do
so in NVDA?

Thanks
Tony












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Re: Tha Alexa App on the pc

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This is drifting off topic a bit here.
My main issue is that increasingly Alexa says fewer things in audio and suggests it has put the extra text on the alexa app. This I suspect is because they are gradually going over toward the newer devices with screens. a great way to show the sighted adverts. Cynical me?


I do not see the point of allowing your music to be used through the d4evice, since my pc is already on the hi fi anyway.

I don't do prime and music, since I like physical media, but then that is just me and my old fashioned ways!

I still find the app on the pc jumps off with no apparent logic to it. maybe if I could have had a visual experience of it first I'd understand it better.
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Subject: Re: [nvda] Tha Alexa App on the pc


I use Waterfox and confess that I have never made any reviews.

I nmormally use the app for setting up Alexa devices, enabling skills and managing my flash Briefing.
I HAVE NOT REALLY USED THE Audible or Kindle parts of the Echo interface as I use other devices for these.

Despite occasional clunkiness I kstil think Alexa and the Echo is a big breakthrough for Blind users.
One of the best balue skills I think is the My Media Skill which for an annual subscription of I think $4 or possibly £4 I cannot quite remember, allows the streaming of all my locally stored Music from my PC and any attached hard drives to any Echo device. It can also access my iTunes Library.
There is an app which needs to be installed on your PC but this is completely accessible with NVDA.
This skill/app combination is massively cheaper than the mainstream streaming options. Given that I also have content to the relatively vast number of songs available from Amazon Prime membership, if not the amount available with Amazon unlimited this has pretty much met all my music needs for a fraction of the price Spotify Google Apple etc want you to pay.

If you need portable music when away on holiday then buy a £29 Fire tablet when it is on its regular offer price. Provided you have access to WiFi and you have left your PC running you can then still access all your Music from a device which in my view provides surprisingly good audio, especially if connected to an external speaker.
People do not always realise that the fire Tablet is essentially also a portable Echo. Just locate the home button, double tap and hold and this will invoke the complete Alexa services. A two finger tap and hold on the home screen apparently does the same thing.

David Griffith
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Well after getting to the bit you want you are wandering down the list and
suddenly you are in home automation or some other random place. and typing
in to a review double speaks all the characters. This does not happen in
normal edit fields. its just clunky. Which browser do you use?
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Which bitsd are you finding difficult?
Generally you have to hit the menu button at the top of the page to open up
the tabs area of the site and then press enter on a tab to go to that part
of the App.
It is not my most favorite web site but it does work for me.

The Alexa app on the iPhone also seems less clunky nowadays.

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Subject: [nvda] Tha Alexa App on the pc

This is a very quirky web app. it seems not to work very well for me at
least. Is there anything that can be done to de mystify it for use, or would
that require a front end like twitter and Face book clients, assuming nobody
can persuade Amazon to make it more intuitive in use.
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Re: Kindle program and NVDA

ryan chou
 

Yup, the book in question pre first fix was definitely accessible, I
downloaded it myself to check and could read fine.
During our remote session I did think of toggling browse mode
manually, didn't work unfortunately.

On 2/7/18, Quentin Christensen <quentin@nvaccess.org> wrote:
It is definitely a book which is accessible? Not all Kindle titles are.
You did say it was but always worth double checking.
The other questions was, is the other user in Browse mode? NVDA should go
into Browse mode automatically, but if for some reason it isn't, you can
toggle between browse and focus modes with NVDA+spacebar (note if you do
this on a web page, it will not automatically change modes again on that
page, even when entering or leaving forms as it normally would. Once you
leave the page it will go back to its regular settings).

Regards

Quentin.

On Thu, Feb 8, 2018 at 1:42 PM, ryan chou <ryan.chou1997@gmail.com> wrote:

Thanks, I'll get my friend to try doing that and see if it works.
As to the problem, it's pretty much that issue exactly. When I remoted
in, the best I can get is that the book opens fine, you can even read
perfectly fine using the review keys, but you can't just normally
navigate using browse mode or say all.
Thanks for your assistance.

On 2/7/18, Quentin Christensen <quentin@nvaccess.org> wrote:
Are they getting any kind of error message or can they give any
information
about exactly what is happening (or not happening) and where everything
is
not working please?

If they can recreate the issue and then get a copy of the log to send
us
that might help shed light on what is happening - they (or you) can
email
it to me at info@nvaccess.org and I'll have a look.

Just looking through our issues, if I search for Kindle:
https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues?q=is%3Aissue+kindle+is%3Aopen
I
get 7 open issues, none of which seem to match the information you've
given
so far. There is one closed issue:
https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/7661 The user was on Windows 10
and
broadly said they couldn't get books to read. They did advise that
when
they uninstalled Kindle, cleared their library and reinstalled Kindle
everything worked. While a bit annoying, that's potentially one avenue
to
try to resolve it.

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Wed, Feb 7, 2018 at 12:28 PM, ryan chou <ryan.chou1997@gmail.com>
wrote:

Hi all,
I was wondering if someone could help troubleshoot an issue with the
windows version of the kindle reader? I am posting on behalf of a
friend.
Recently, my friend was having some issues with this thing, and
couldn't
actually read any books normally. Long story short, I sent said friend
a
portable copy of my NVDA installation, which seemed to have fixed the
issue, and they were able to read books normally in browse mode.
However as of today, apparently the issue is back, and I have no ideas
on
what it could be, as I use the kindle reader too and I never had any
issues
at all. Restarting NVDA or the kindle program haven't fixed the issue,
and
the current book in question has already been read successfully so we
do
know it is supported. The only large difference I can think of is my
friend
using windows 7, and me being on 10.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks.



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Admin: Subject lines

Gene
 

 Every now and then, I may post a message to the list about sending messages in such a way that it helps the list function better.  Subject lines are an important way to help the list function.  It will make it much easier for a lot of people to decide which messages to read if you write good subject lines. 
 
Why are they called subject lines?  Not because they are intended to be used for meaningless comments.  They are supposed to state the subject of the message.  A questtion, a comment, Help, a curious problem, and so on are completely meaningless subject lines as far as telling the reader what the message is about.  a subject line like computer freezes when I open whatever program you open, or NVDA and Internet tables or how do you read tables on the Internet with NVDA, or NVDA keeps losing focus or something specific like that are proper subject lines.  It can be shorter and less explicit.  Reading columns in Excel, recommendations on laptop batteries, etc. 
 
Please make a lot of list members time spent on whatever lists you are on more efficient and pleasant by using subject lines as intended.  A lot of people decide which messages to read based on subject lines and you also increase the chances that your messages will be read by more people.
 
Gene
Re: Just a Comment

Gene
 

Why don't you check to see if you can disable update notifications?
 
Gene

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Subject: [nvda] Just a Comment

Again today, I got the message that there is an update for my weather add-on.  This is getting a bit too much.  Too many, too often.  I think I'll just disable it or remove it (if I can figure out how).  My Alexa will tell me anything I need to know.
 
Thanks for the add-on but not thanks for hounding me about updates.
 
Howard
Re: OT. Transcription jobs?

Shaun Everiss
 

Hmmm I wander if that works for us in new zealand I may look at this myself.

On 8/02/2018 6:54 a.m., Michael Capelle wrote:
jobs@nfbnet.org
to subscribe, send a message to:
jobs-subscribe@nfbnet.org

-----Original Message----- From: Matt Turner
Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2018 11:43 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] OT. Transcription jobs?

Hi folks.

Subject says it all.

Triing to find something to do for working from home.

Are there any blind mailing-list for this kind of thing?
Just a Comment

Howard Traxler <howard@...>
 


Again today, I got the message that there is an update for my weather add-on.  This is getting a bit too much.  Too many, too often.  I think I'll just disable it or remove it (if I can figure out how).  My Alexa will tell me anything I need to know.
 
Thanks for the add-on but not thanks for hounding me about updates.
 
Howard
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