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Re: competition

Karim Lakhani <karim.lakhani@...>
 

 I'm not sure what language you are writing?
What screen reader are  you using voice over?
The reason I didn't want to downloads is because I don't know how?
When NVDA updates I get the notification and install it without worry about finding scripts, add no's or what ever window eye's use to call it.
Does that make sense to you?
 
 
 
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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Lino Morales
Sent: Monday, December 18, 2017 6:26 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] competition

Thir is on ly one NVDA. You want add-ons download them. What does VO have to do with it? Meanwhile as Kereme hits the nog in Canada again...


On 12/18/2017 8:22 PM, Karim Lakhani wrote:
Could we as NVDA users have the choice which version works the best for the individual?
That way we can choose which version to down load?
personally the voice over APP. with the Phone's out of the box it's great.
People can jail break and all, so as the people who code NVDA, would have to be the persons who decides what is important.
 
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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sam Taylor
Sent: Monday, December 18, 2017 4:42 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] competition

Karim,

They are not included because Add-ons, as the name suggests, are optional. Integrating them into the installer would mean that the installer filesize would be inflated, resulting in a much bigger download for everyone.


On 19/12/2017 9:30 am, Karim Lakhani wrote:
Hi,
Can someone explain why add are not included in the main install of the APP.
If the add on's are useable by all the community, why not add them in the main install?
I hope this doesn't come down to the amount of data you have, I know it will be cheaper then 1800.00
 
Some of us don't have the knowledge to accomplish these functions.
I think it's like Elisa, she only gets smarter the more you use it.
 
 
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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mike and Jenna
Sent: Monday, December 18, 2017 10:39 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] competition

I have to agree with this. My wife asked to question the other day why use NVDA if I have to install addons to do the stuff I want to do then also have to keep them updated. I see this a lot with the disability place I work for part time. I have several elders after showing them nvda and jaws have chosen jaws do to the fact they don’t have to deal with addons.

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2017 8:15 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] competition

A lot of NVDA users won't ever know enough to know that there are add ons nor how to install them.  You are free to remove any add ons you don't want and, for experienced users who understand the implications, a no add ons NVDA can be offered if it really matters, which I don't think it does.  I'm not talking about including add on after add on in NVDA.  I'm saying that some add ons should be included because you aren't serving a lot of blind people well by not doing so, meaning the large number, who will never use add ons they have to download and install.  Instead of spending time and resources reinventing the wheel just to make it a part of core NVDA code, just include the add on. 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2017 6:19 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] competition

What I've liked and am liking of the AddOns on NVDA is the ability to install those that suits are needs, thus NVDA should be pure as always, but with each of us adding the necessary AddOns for our daily use.

El 17/12/2017 a las 06:16 p.m., Rui Fontes escribió:

Sorry, Gene, but if some of the addons will be shipped with NVDA and set to run, they should stop being addons and start being part of NVDA core...

Addon, by definition, is a piece of software to execute a specific function that does not make part of the NVDA core...

Regards,

Rui Fontes

Às 00:07 de 18/12/2017, Gene escreveu:

NVDA doesn't have to adopt every popular feature of other screen-readers to compete.  I don't have much opinion about whether this feature is implemented in NVDA directly or by an add on.  It is a peripheral feature and not an actual screen-reader feature.  It is a proper question whether NVDA development time and resources should be put into this project.  And an add on wouldn't divert NVDA time and resources.  However, when it comes to add ons, NVDA should do what Window-eyes used to do, not because Window-eyes does it, but because it serves users well, is logical and there is no reason of any substance not to do it.  

Window-eyes used to accomplish a number of functions by having a number of what it pretentiously called apps, they were really scripts, but they were available to users as add ons and were shipped with Window-eyes and were set to run at the time of installation.  Many users of whatever screen-reader they use will never learn enough to know anything about add ons.  there are a number of add ons that should be incorporated into NVDA as addons that are downloaded and are running when NVDA is run. 

If this were done, the major objection against making a feature an add on would be done away with.  the objection is that a lot of people will never know about add ons and never use whatever is being discussed.  If this objection were done away with by having many add ons be included in NVDA as running add ons at the time of download and installation or portable use, the whole question and argument about whether something should be an add on could be done away with. 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Don H

Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2017 4:16 PM

Subject: [nvda] competition

When it comes to the new screen shade function in Jaws 2018 and if NVDA
should also have the same function the main question is whether or not
NVDA is in competition with other screen readers in order to get more
users or is NVDA just a free screen reader for those who can't afford to
pay for a screen reader.




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Re: competition

Lino Morales
 

Thir is on ly one NVDA. You want add-ons download them. What does VO have to do with it? Meanwhile as Kereme hits the nog in Canada again...


On 12/18/2017 8:22 PM, Karim Lakhani wrote:
Could we as NVDA users have the choice which version works the best for the individual?
That way we can choose which version to down load?
personally the voice over APP. with the Phone's out of the box it's great.
People can jail break and all, so as the people who code NVDA, would have to be the persons who decides what is important.
 
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reputation is. You can't control that. The only thing you
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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sam Taylor
Sent: Monday, December 18, 2017 4:42 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] competition

Karim,

They are not included because Add-ons, as the name suggests, are optional. Integrating them into the installer would mean that the installer filesize would be inflated, resulting in a much bigger download for everyone.


On 19/12/2017 9:30 am, Karim Lakhani wrote:
Hi,
Can someone explain why add are not included in the main install of the APP.
If the add on's are useable by all the community, why not add them in the main install?
I hope this doesn't come down to the amount of data you have, I know it will be cheaper then 1800.00
 
Some of us don't have the knowledge to accomplish these functions.
I think it's like Elisa, she only gets smarter the more you use it.
 
 
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Your reputation is in the hands of others. That's what a
reputation is. You can't control that. The only thing you
can control is your character.
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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mike and Jenna
Sent: Monday, December 18, 2017 10:39 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] competition

I have to agree with this. My wife asked to question the other day why use NVDA if I have to install addons to do the stuff I want to do then also have to keep them updated. I see this a lot with the disability place I work for part time. I have several elders after showing them nvda and jaws have chosen jaws do to the fact they don’t have to deal with addons.

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2017 8:15 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] competition

A lot of NVDA users won't ever know enough to know that there are add ons nor how to install them.  You are free to remove any add ons you don't want and, for experienced users who understand the implications, a no add ons NVDA can be offered if it really matters, which I don't think it does.  I'm not talking about including add on after add on in NVDA.  I'm saying that some add ons should be included because you aren't serving a lot of blind people well by not doing so, meaning the large number, who will never use add ons they have to download and install.  Instead of spending time and resources reinventing the wheel just to make it a part of core NVDA code, just include the add on. 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2017 6:19 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] competition

What I've liked and am liking of the AddOns on NVDA is the ability to install those that suits are needs, thus NVDA should be pure as always, but with each of us adding the necessary AddOns for our daily use.

El 17/12/2017 a las 06:16 p.m., Rui Fontes escribió:

Sorry, Gene, but if some of the addons will be shipped with NVDA and set to run, they should stop being addons and start being part of NVDA core...

Addon, by definition, is a piece of software to execute a specific function that does not make part of the NVDA core...

Regards,

Rui Fontes

Às 00:07 de 18/12/2017, Gene escreveu:

NVDA doesn't have to adopt every popular feature of other screen-readers to compete.  I don't have much opinion about whether this feature is implemented in NVDA directly or by an add on.  It is a peripheral feature and not an actual screen-reader feature.  It is a proper question whether NVDA development time and resources should be put into this project.  And an add on wouldn't divert NVDA time and resources.  However, when it comes to add ons, NVDA should do what Window-eyes used to do, not because Window-eyes does it, but because it serves users well, is logical and there is no reason of any substance not to do it.  

Window-eyes used to accomplish a number of functions by having a number of what it pretentiously called apps, they were really scripts, but they were available to users as add ons and were shipped with Window-eyes and were set to run at the time of installation.  Many users of whatever screen-reader they use will never learn enough to know anything about add ons.  there are a number of add ons that should be incorporated into NVDA as addons that are downloaded and are running when NVDA is run. 

If this were done, the major objection against making a feature an add on would be done away with.  the objection is that a lot of people will never know about add ons and never use whatever is being discussed.  If this objection were done away with by having many add ons be included in NVDA as running add ons at the time of download and installation or portable use, the whole question and argument about whether something should be an add on could be done away with. 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Don H

Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2017 4:16 PM

Subject: [nvda] competition

When it comes to the new screen shade function in Jaws 2018 and if NVDA
should also have the same function the main question is whether or not
NVDA is in competition with other screen readers in order to get more
users or is NVDA just a free screen reader for those who can't afford to
pay for a screen reader.




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Re: competition

Karim Lakhani <karim.lakhani@...>
 

Could we as NVDA users have the choice which version works the best for the individual?
That way we can choose which version to down load?
personally the voice over APP. with the Phone's out of the box it's great.
People can jail break and all, so as the people who code NVDA, would have to be the persons who decides what is important.
 
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SKYPE: goldenace4
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reputation is. You can't control that. The only thing you
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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sam Taylor
Sent: Monday, December 18, 2017 4:42 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] competition

Karim,

They are not included because Add-ons, as the name suggests, are optional. Integrating them into the installer would mean that the installer filesize would be inflated, resulting in a much bigger download for everyone.


On 19/12/2017 9:30 am, Karim Lakhani wrote:
Hi,
Can someone explain why add are not included in the main install of the APP.
If the add on's are useable by all the community, why not add them in the main install?
I hope this doesn't come down to the amount of data you have, I know it will be cheaper then 1800.00
 
Some of us don't have the knowledge to accomplish these functions.
I think it's like Elisa, she only gets smarter the more you use it.
 
 
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$$$$
Your reputation is in the hands of others. That's what a
reputation is. You can't control that. The only thing you
can control is your character.
- Wayne Walter Dyer (1940-)
 
 
 


From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mike and Jenna
Sent: Monday, December 18, 2017 10:39 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] competition

I have to agree with this. My wife asked to question the other day why use NVDA if I have to install addons to do the stuff I want to do then also have to keep them updated. I see this a lot with the disability place I work for part time. I have several elders after showing them nvda and jaws have chosen jaws do to the fact they don’t have to deal with addons.

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2017 8:15 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] competition

A lot of NVDA users won't ever know enough to know that there are add ons nor how to install them.  You are free to remove any add ons you don't want and, for experienced users who understand the implications, a no add ons NVDA can be offered if it really matters, which I don't think it does.  I'm not talking about including add on after add on in NVDA.  I'm saying that some add ons should be included because you aren't serving a lot of blind people well by not doing so, meaning the large number, who will never use add ons they have to download and install.  Instead of spending time and resources reinventing the wheel just to make it a part of core NVDA code, just include the add on. 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2017 6:19 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] competition

What I've liked and am liking of the AddOns on NVDA is the ability to install those that suits are needs, thus NVDA should be pure as always, but with each of us adding the necessary AddOns for our daily use.

El 17/12/2017 a las 06:16 p.m., Rui Fontes escribió:

Sorry, Gene, but if some of the addons will be shipped with NVDA and set to run, they should stop being addons and start being part of NVDA core...

Addon, by definition, is a piece of software to execute a specific function that does not make part of the NVDA core...

Regards,

Rui Fontes

Às 00:07 de 18/12/2017, Gene escreveu:

NVDA doesn't have to adopt every popular feature of other screen-readers to compete.  I don't have much opinion about whether this feature is implemented in NVDA directly or by an add on.  It is a peripheral feature and not an actual screen-reader feature.  It is a proper question whether NVDA development time and resources should be put into this project.  And an add on wouldn't divert NVDA time and resources.  However, when it comes to add ons, NVDA should do what Window-eyes used to do, not because Window-eyes does it, but because it serves users well, is logical and there is no reason of any substance not to do it.  

Window-eyes used to accomplish a number of functions by having a number of what it pretentiously called apps, they were really scripts, but they were available to users as add ons and were shipped with Window-eyes and were set to run at the time of installation.  Many users of whatever screen-reader they use will never learn enough to know anything about add ons.  there are a number of add ons that should be incorporated into NVDA as addons that are downloaded and are running when NVDA is run. 

If this were done, the major objection against making a feature an add on would be done away with.  the objection is that a lot of people will never know about add ons and never use whatever is being discussed.  If this objection were done away with by having many add ons be included in NVDA as running add ons at the time of download and installation or portable use, the whole question and argument about whether something should be an add on could be done away with. 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Don H

Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2017 4:16 PM

Subject: [nvda] competition

When it comes to the new screen shade function in Jaws 2018 and if NVDA
should also have the same function the main question is whether or not
NVDA is in competition with other screen readers in order to get more
users or is NVDA just a free screen reader for those who can't afford to
pay for a screen reader.




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Re: NVDA 2017.4 cannot update progress bars on expanded file explorer copy or move dialogs

coffeekingms@hotmail.com
 

Hi

Ah, that explains it. I’ll resubscribe to the dev list on source forge. I don’t remember         unsubscribing but I must have at some point, or never subscribed with this address

Thanks

Kendell Clark

.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
Sent: Monday, December 18, 2017 5:17 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2017.4 cannot update progress bars on expanded file explorer copy or move dialogs

 

I don't think there is one on groups.io yet. I still see posts to the
sourceforge one
 Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: <coffeekingms@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, December 18, 2017 2:42 AM
Subject: [nvda] NVDA 2017.4 cannot update progress bars on expanded file
explorer copy or move dialogs


Hey all
Sorry for not posting for a while, I’ve just completed a
Permanent move to windows 10 from Linux. I now have a new pc, an ultrabook
and both windows and NVDA perform much better. I’ve decided to get much more
involved in helping NVDA, and windows itself, get better. To explain the
issue I just reported, if you have a file copy or move operation in
progress, windows explorer will open an information dialog. If the dialog is
in it’s normal state, the progress bar beeps and speech updates work just
fine. But there’s a more updates button or checkbox, and if that is checked,
the dialog expands to give more information. When that happens, the progress
bar updates no longer work. You can of course use screen review to look at
the dialog and get the updates that way.  I also have report background
progress bar updates checked in object presentation settings, gotten to by
pressing NVDA+ctrl+o. This is on NVDA 2017.4 with joseph lee’s windows 10
app essentials add on installed. I’m not sure how to provide more info or
proof of the problem, should I activate debug mode, or change the log level
and post a log? I’ve been a part of NVDA development before, but it was back
when windows 7 first came out and procedures might have changed. If there’s
a new developers guide somewhere, point me to it and I’ll read it so you
guys don’t have to repeat information.

Also, I’ve been trying to post this to the development group on groups.io. I’ve
been rejected by both the sourceforge list, I think I might have
unsubscribed from that one, and the groups.io one,
nbvda-dev@groups.io<mailto:nbvda-dev@groups.io>. Did I unsubscribe from it
and don’t remember or was I removed from it for something? I don’t want to
clutter up the user support list with development emails but I couldn’t
think of anywhere else to post this one, at least initially. If I can get on
the development list, I’ll send all further dev stuff there.
Thanks
Kendell Clark
sent from my ultrabook




 


Re: competition

Sky Mundell
 

Absolutely but the main reason why JAWS is still in use is because of
vocational rehab agencies for the blind.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of bob
jutzi
Sent: Monday, December 18, 2017 3:55 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] competition

But Jaws still does make use of scripts a when necessary and I don't see how
anyone can afford keeping that thing updated. I'm sure it comes down to
what your software needs are. I use both Word and Outlook Office 365,
Itunes, and Winamp, to name a few, and NVDA meets my needs very well.


On 12/18/2017 6:41 PM, Sam Taylor wrote:
Karim,

They are not included because Add-ons, as the name suggests, are
optional. Integrating them into the installer would mean that the
installer filesize would be inflated, resulting in a much bigger
download for everyone.


On 19/12/2017 9:30 am, Karim Lakhani wrote:
Hi,
Can someone explain why add are not included in the main install of
the APP.
If the add on's are useable by all the community, why not add them in
the main install?
I hope this doesn't come down to the amount of data you have, I know
it will be cheaper then 1800.00 Some of us don't have the knowledge
to accomplish these functions.
I think it's like Elisa, she only gets smarter the more you use it.
EMAIL:karim.lakhani@...
$$$$
SKYPE: goldenace4
$$$$
Your reputation is in the hands of others. That's what a reputation
is. You can't control that. The only thing you can control is your
character.
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*From:* nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] *On Behalf
Of *Mike and Jenna
*Sent:* Monday, December 18, 2017 10:39 AM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] competition

I have to agree with this. My wife asked to question the other day
why use NVDA if I have to install addons to do the stuff I want to do
then also have to keep them updated. I see this a lot with the
disability place I work for part time. I have several elders after
showing them nvda and jaws have chosen jaws do to the fact they don’t
have to deal with addons.

*From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] *On Behalf Of
*Gene
*Sent:* Sunday, December 17, 2017 8:15 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] competition

A lot of NVDA users won't ever know enough to know that there are add
ons nor how to install them. You are free to remove any add ons you
don't want and, for experienced users who understand the
implications, a no add ons NVDA can be offered if it really matters,
which I don't think it does. I'm not talking about including add on
after add on in NVDA. I'm saying that some add ons should be
included because you aren't serving a lot of blind people well by not
doing so, meaning the large number, who will never use add ons they
have to download and install. Instead of spending time and resources
reinventing the wheel just to make it a part of core NVDA code, just
include the add on.

Gene

----- Original Message -----

*From:*Gerardo Corripio <mailto:gera1027@...>

*Sent:*Sunday, December 17, 2017 6:19 PM

*To:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

*Subject:*Re: [nvda] competition

What I've liked and am liking of the AddOns on NVDA is the ability to
install those that suits are needs, thus NVDA should be pure as
always, but with each of us adding the necessary AddOns for our daily
use.

El 17/12/2017 a las 06:16 p.m., Rui Fontes escribió:

Sorry, Gene, but if some of the addons will be shipped with NVDA
and set to run, they should stop being addons and start being part
of NVDA core...

Addon, by definition, is a piece of software to execute a specific
function that does not make part of the NVDA core...

Regards,

Rui Fontes

Às 00:07 de 18/12/2017, Gene escreveu:

NVDA doesn't have to adopt every popular feature of other
screen-readers to compete. I don't have much opinion about
whether this feature is implemented in NVDA directly or by an
add on. It is a peripheral feature and not an actual
screen-reader feature. It is a proper question whether NVDA
development time and resources should be put into this
project. And an add on wouldn't divert NVDA time and
resources. However, when it comes to add ons, NVDA should do
what Window-eyes used to do, not because Window-eyes does it,
but because it serves users well, is logical and there is no
reason of any substance not to do it.

Window-eyes used to accomplish a number of functions by having
a number of what it pretentiously called apps, they were
really scripts, but they were available to users as add ons
and were shipped with Window-eyes and were set to run at the
time of installation. Many users of whatever screen-reader
they use will never learn enough to know anything about add
ons. there are a number of add ons that should be
incorporated into NVDA as addons that are downloaded and are
running when NVDA is run.

If this were done, the major objection against making a
feature an add on would be done away with. the objection is
that a lot of people will never know about add ons and never
use whatever is being discussed. If this objection were done
away with by having many add ons be included in NVDA as
running add ons at the time of download and installation or
portable use, the whole question and argument about whether
something should be an add on could be done away with.

Gene

----- Original Message -----

*From:* Don H <mailto:lmddh50@...>

*Sent:* Sunday, December 17, 2017 4:16 PM

*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

*Subject:* [nvda] competition

When it comes to the new screen shade function in Jaws 2018
and if NVDA
should also have the same function the main question is
whether or not
NVDA is in competition with other screen readers in order to
get more
users or is NVDA just a free screen reader for those who can't
afford to
pay for a screen reader.




--
Gera
Enviado desde Thunderbird


Re: screen shade

Gene
 

People have a right to privacy no matter what they are doing.  If I'm sitting in a chair with headphones on, I have a right to privacy in my home.  If I'm on a bus, train, or plane, and I'm writing in my diary, or writing an e-mail, not intended for general viewing, I have a right to privacy.  Privacy is not just something you have a right to or legitimately want when you are performing socially unacceptable actions.  If that were true, the very act of taking actions to safeguard your privacy could be regarded by the legal system as an admission of guilt or a serious indication of guilt about something.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, December 18, 2017 6:44 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] screen shade

I'm concerned how many things you all do on your computers, that you don't want any buddy to look at.
How many hours in a day do you write this kind of personal data which is something you want to hide?
I think looking at porn is real high usage because they can see the screen, it stops no one from using these acts.
With sound a porn sight with audio would require head phones don't you think?
I love the audio ducking in NVDA, because you can accomplish so much while using the computer and then when it's just stream the sound is at the sound you want.
Marry Christmas and a happy new year.
 
I worked at a company where co - workers who are sighted and didn't work directly in my group, but because I kept my screen off, and wore head phones they didn't think I was working.
But I didn't let the matter go, if my eyes are getting bothered from the light on the monitor it was a great move.In stead of waiting for someone to write code to prevent this matter.
 
Hope not all of us have to continuously write letters which no one else should write.
good night!
 
 
 
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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Josh Kennedy
Sent: Monday, December 18, 2017 4:32 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] screen shade

Ok about the screen shade. Why do blind people need a screen shade? And why do sighted people they don’t need a screen shade? So why is it good for blind to have screen shade but not sighted? Oh and if I were a sighted person and you had a screen shade on, I would just pick up my smart phone and do some research and could figure out how to turn it off anyway. And what if the keyboard command for turning it on and off were spread on facebook and twitter? Now anybody can just come by your computer ;and turn the screen shade off. Or  someone could just hack the computer and use it screen shade or no shade, without even caring screen shade is on or off. Don’t know why you want screen shade, but if it is for privacy? Forget it. If I had a blind son and I were a sighted parent and caught my blind son having a screen shade, I would suspect he’s doing or reading stuff he should not. Guess what? I take the computer or phone away from him for a week or so. He gets punished for using screen shade.

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


Re: screen shade

Gene
 

If you are reading mail as html, try reading it as plain text.  We don't know what program you are using and you may have to know a little more if you are reading mail as plain text using the ribbon version of Windows Live Mail.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: ely.r@...
Sent: Monday, December 18, 2017 6:36 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] screen shade

Jean in New Zealand and the group in general,

This is the strangest thing I have seen in email. Using Outlook 2016/365, Windows 10 and Newest NVDA, every time I try to open a message from Jean, outlook goes belly up. Sometimes it will do a self-restart, other times I have to start it. Now it could be that Jean’s messages are simply upside down given where they are originating. I have tried turning my monitor and my tower upside down to accommodate, but no luck! Seriously, the event is real, and I don’t get any sort of warning or error message. Has anyone out there seen this? If so, please let me know if you found a fix.

Apologies Jean and thanks anyone,

Rick

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene New Zealand
Sent: Monday, December 18, 2017 1:12 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] screen shade

 

I agree with you.

I have not seen a sighted person use a device with the screen off on any device.

You ask any sighted person to use the computer with say sound and only the screen reader and the screen turned off and they are lost.

I my self would not even do any type of banking or sensitive stuff on a public computer just because of security I would want to hope it was really locked down.
And that would be even with a blacked out screen.
I would still not go there on public terminal.
 
Been in a home situation I would not have a need for it who is going to look my wife? or may be people just do not want people to know they could be looking at one of those .aughty websites.

  At home off goes the button on the monitor and then the wife if she wants it just turns it on.


Gene nz

On 12/19/2017 2:03 AM, ely.r@... wrote:

Good idea!

I have to wonder what people are writing on their computers in what I assume is a public area that they do not want others to see. If someone has full vision, one would assume that they have their screen turned on so they can both read and write. If so, then it is likely that they will not be writing highly sensitive things that others might see as they walk by. Sorry if this seems insensitive, but. . .

Rick

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Josh Kennedy
Sent: Monday, December 18, 2017 7:53 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] screen shade

 

Instead of screen shade. Get a black piece of paper and put it over your screen. And voila, nobody can see your screen at all.

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

 

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Re: screen shade

Karim Lakhani <karim.lakhani@...>
 

I'm concerned how many things you all do on your computers, that you don't want any buddy to look at.
How many hours in a day do you write this kind of personal data which is something you want to hide?
I think looking at porn is real high usage because they can see the screen, it stops no one from using these acts.
With sound a porn sight with audio would require head phones don't you think?
I love the audio ducking in NVDA, because you can accomplish so much while using the computer and then when it's just stream the sound is at the sound you want.
Marry Christmas and a happy new year.
 
I worked at a company where co - workers who are sighted and didn't work directly in my group, but because I kept my screen off, and wore head phones they didn't think I was working.
But I didn't let the matter go, if my eyes are getting bothered from the light on the monitor it was a great move.In stead of waiting for someone to write code to prevent this matter.
 
Hope not all of us have to continuously write letters which no one else should write.
good night!
 
 
 
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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Josh Kennedy
Sent: Monday, December 18, 2017 4:32 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] screen shade

Ok about the screen shade. Why do blind people need a screen shade? And why do sighted people they don’t need a screen shade? So why is it good for blind to have screen shade but not sighted? Oh and if I were a sighted person and you had a screen shade on, I would just pick up my smart phone and do some research and could figure out how to turn it off anyway. And what if the keyboard command for turning it on and off were spread on facebook and twitter? Now anybody can just come by your computer ;and turn the screen shade off. Or  someone could just hack the computer and use it screen shade or no shade, without even caring screen shade is on or off. Don’t know why you want screen shade, but if it is for privacy? Forget it. If I had a blind son and I were a sighted parent and caught my blind son having a screen shade, I would suspect he’s doing or reading stuff he should not. Guess what? I take the computer or phone away from him for a week or so. He gets punished for using screen shade.

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


Re: competition

bob jutzi <jutzi1@...>
 

But Jaws still does make use of scripts a when necessary and I don't see how anyone can afford keeping that thing updated. I'm sure it comes down to what your software needs are. I use both Word and Outlook Office 365, Itunes, and Winamp, to name a few, and NVDA meets my needs very well.

On 12/18/2017 6:41 PM, Sam Taylor wrote:
Karim,
They are not included because Add-ons, as the name suggests, are optional. Integrating them into the installer would mean that the installer filesize would be inflated, resulting in a much bigger download for everyone.
On 19/12/2017 9:30 am, Karim Lakhani wrote:
Hi,
Can someone explain why add are not included in the main install of the APP.
If the add on's are useable by all the community, why not add them in the main install?
I hope this doesn't come down to the amount of data you have, I know it will be cheaper then 1800.00
Some of us don't have the knowledge to accomplish these functions.
I think it's like Elisa, she only gets smarter the more you use it.
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*From:* nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] *On Behalf Of *Mike and Jenna
*Sent:* Monday, December 18, 2017 10:39 AM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] competition

I have to agree with this. My wife asked to question the other day why use NVDA if I have to install addons to do the stuff I want to do then also have to keep them updated. I see this a lot with the disability place I work for part time. I have several elders after showing them nvda and jaws have chosen jaws do to the fact they don’t have to deal with addons.

*From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] *On Behalf Of *Gene
*Sent:* Sunday, December 17, 2017 8:15 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] competition

A lot of NVDA users won't ever know enough to know that there are add ons nor how to install them. You are free to remove any add ons you don't want and, for experienced users who understand the implications, a no add ons NVDA can be offered if it really matters, which I don't think it does. I'm not talking about including add on after add on in NVDA. I'm saying that some add ons should be included because you aren't serving a lot of blind people well by not doing so, meaning the large number, who will never use add ons they have to download and install. Instead of spending time and resources reinventing the wheel just to make it a part of core NVDA code, just include the add on.

Gene

----- Original Message -----

*From:*Gerardo Corripio <mailto:gera1027@...>

*Sent:*Sunday, December 17, 2017 6:19 PM

*To:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

*Subject:*Re: [nvda] competition

What I've liked and am liking of the AddOns on NVDA is the ability to install those that suits are needs, thus NVDA should be pure as always, but with each of us adding the necessary AddOns for our daily use.

El 17/12/2017 a las 06:16 p.m., Rui Fontes escribió:

Sorry, Gene, but if some of the addons will be shipped with NVDA
and set to run, they should stop being addons and start being part
of NVDA core...

Addon, by definition, is a piece of software to execute a specific
function that does not make part of the NVDA core...

Regards,

Rui Fontes

Às 00:07 de 18/12/2017, Gene escreveu:

NVDA doesn't have to adopt every popular feature of other
screen-readers to compete. I don't have much opinion about
whether this feature is implemented in NVDA directly or by an
add on. It is a peripheral feature and not an actual
screen-reader feature. It is a proper question whether NVDA
development time and resources should be put into this
project. And an add on wouldn't divert NVDA time and
resources. However, when it comes to add ons, NVDA should do
what Window-eyes used to do, not because Window-eyes does it,
but because it serves users well, is logical and there is no
reason of any substance not to do it.

Window-eyes used to accomplish a number of functions by having
a number of what it pretentiously called apps, they were
really scripts, but they were available to users as add ons
and were shipped with Window-eyes and were set to run at the
time of installation. Many users of whatever screen-reader
they use will never learn enough to know anything about add
ons. there are a number of add ons that should be
incorporated into NVDA as addons that are downloaded and are
running when NVDA is run.

If this were done, the major objection against making a
feature an add on would be done away with. the objection is
that a lot of people will never know about add ons and never
use whatever is being discussed. If this objection were done
away with by having many add ons be included in NVDA as
running add ons at the time of download and installation or
portable use, the whole question and argument about whether
something should be an add on could be done away with.

Gene

----- Original Message -----

*From:* Don H <mailto:lmddh50@...>

*Sent:* Sunday, December 17, 2017 4:16 PM

*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

*Subject:* [nvda] competition

When it comes to the new screen shade function in Jaws 2018
and if NVDA
should also have the same function the main question is
whether or not
NVDA is in competition with other screen readers in order to
get more
users or is NVDA just a free screen reader for those who can't
afford to
pay for a screen reader.




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Re: screen shade

ely.r@...
 

Jean in New Zealand and the group in general,

This is the strangest thing I have seen in email. Using Outlook 2016/365, Windows 10 and Newest NVDA, every time I try to open a message from Jean, outlook goes belly up. Sometimes it will do a self-restart, other times I have to start it. Now it could be that Jean’s messages are simply upside down given where they are originating. I have tried turning my monitor and my tower upside down to accommodate, but no luck! Seriously, the event is real, and I don’t get any sort of warning or error message. Has anyone out there seen this? If so, please let me know if you found a fix.

Apologies Jean and thanks anyone,

Rick

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene New Zealand
Sent: Monday, December 18, 2017 1:12 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] screen shade

 

I agree with you.

I have not seen a sighted person use a device with the screen off on any device.

You ask any sighted person to use the computer with say sound and only the screen reader and the screen turned off and they are lost.

I my self would not even do any type of banking or sensitive stuff on a public computer just because of security I would want to hope it was really locked down.
And that would be even with a blacked out screen.
I would still not go there on public terminal.
 
Been in a home situation I would not have a need for it who is going to look my wife? or may be people just do not want people to know they could be looking at one of those .aughty websites.

  At home off goes the button on the monitor and then the wife if she wants it just turns it on.


Gene nz

On 12/19/2017 2:03 AM, ely.r@... wrote:

Good idea!

I have to wonder what people are writing on their computers in what I assume is a public area that they do not want others to see. If someone has full vision, one would assume that they have their screen turned on so they can both read and write. If so, then it is likely that they will not be writing highly sensitive things that others might see as they walk by. Sorry if this seems insensitive, but. . .

Rick

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Josh Kennedy
Sent: Monday, December 18, 2017 7:53 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] screen shade

 

Instead of screen shade. Get a black piece of paper and put it over your screen. And voila, nobody can see your screen at all.

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

 

--

Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or location) is near to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.


Re: screen shade

Arlene
 

That’s what I say. If you have a laptop. Just put a piece of papar over the screen.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Josh Kennedy
Sent: December-18-17 4:53 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] screen shade

 

Instead of screen shade. Get a black piece of paper and put it over your screen. And voila, nobody can see your screen at all.

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


Re: screen shade

Cristóbal
 

This is apparently a concept where those who have had sight or are still partially sighted are going to intuitively get more than perhaps folks who have never really bothered considering such scenarios.

Don’t forget, there are even screen savers or blank screens that sighted folks can use to shield their screens if a coworker or someone else approaches them. That or they can simply tab out of whatever they may be doing or looking at.

Being blind, we’re going to most likely be oblivious to someone coming up behind us, walking past us, or god knows how many other scenarios where having some privacy regardless of whatever we may be doing would be useful. I know of a blind guy who switched to iOS from Android back in the day because someone apparently while he was doing some mobile banking took a peak over his shoulder and gaffled is pin/password.

People make the straw man argument of why should you care if people see what you’re doing unless you’re doing something you’re not supposed to be doing? This misses the point entirely and is disingenuous at best.

I workout regularlly and am fit. That doesn’t mean I am ok with my blinds being pulled up or the courtains pulled back with the light on at night because who cares. If I’m walking around half naked. I know I look good and it’s not like I’m doing anything wrong. What if I just want my privacy like anyone else would want theirs?

The thing too about people just telling others to turn off their screen or put something over it, etc. is as I’m sure a lot of us have experienced as blind folks. Out of sight, out of mind. You may remember to turn off the screen or lower the brightness that one time, but are you going to remember that every single time you may for one reason or another have to turn the monitor on or bring up the brightness?

All this facebook and twitter research nonsense… I mean come on, and what if someone sneaks up behind you, knocks you out. Takes you to a secluded  cabin in the woods and tortures yoo into showing them how to use NVDA and disable a screen shade… then you’re in some weal twubble.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Josh Kennedy
Sent: Monday, December 18, 2017 3:32 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] screen shade

 

Ok about the screen shade. Why do blind people need a screen shade? And why do sighted people they don’t need a screen shade? So why is it good for blind to have screen shade but not sighted? Oh and if I were a sighted person and you had a screen shade on, I would just pick up my smart phone and do some research and could figure out how to turn it off anyway. And what if the keyboard command for turning it on and off were spread on facebook and twitter? Now anybody can just come by your computer ;and turn the screen shade off. Or  someone could just hack the computer and use it screen shade or no shade, without even caring screen shade is on or off. Don’t know why you want screen shade, but if it is for privacy? Forget it. If I had a blind son and I were a sighted parent and caught my blind son having a screen shade, I would suspect he’s doing or reading stuff he should not. Guess what? I take the computer or phone away from him for a week or so. He gets punished for using screen shade.

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


Re: season greetings

Arlene
 

Wishing everybody the same. Merry Christmas and a happy new year.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of anthony borg
Sent: December-18-17 5:33 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] season greetings

 

Wishing all list members a very merry Christmas and all the best for 2018.

Best regards

Anthony


Re: Screen Shade/curtain?

Arlene
 

I don't need either. Screen Shade or curtain. I just leave the monitor off.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Chris
Shook
Sent: December-18-17 2:08 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Screen Shade/curtain?

If all Screen shading does is blackout your screen, I don't know if it'd be
something NVDA should incorporate.
I'd rather see something more useful than an addon that just blacks out the
screen.
I understand the privacy argument, but that's only going to be useful for
laptops and tablets. With a desktop, you can leave the monitor off and still
use the computer.
As a previous user stated, it really depends what NVDA's game plan is.
If they're trying to compete with the other screen readers, then they'll
need to add screen shading.
If they do incorporate it into the main screen reader, I'd suggest adding a
bunch of other new and useful features along with it.
Chris


Re: choosing a new computer

 

True but the generics are not always the best, I usually like to go through what I have to see if any of it is good

On 19/12/2017 12:37 p.m., Josh Kennedy wrote:
In windows10 when you reset it and wipe it, it keeps your drivers and stuff. Most computers today use generic drivers that windows10 knows about and can find. So you reinstall or reset windows and it comes up talking and just works .


Sent from Mail for Windows 10


Re: competition

Sam Taylor
 

Karim,

They are not included because Add-ons, as the name suggests, are optional. Integrating them into the installer would mean that the installer filesize would be inflated, resulting in a much bigger download for everyone.


On 19/12/2017 9:30 am, Karim Lakhani wrote:
Hi,
Can someone explain why add are not included in the main install of the APP.
If the add on's are useable by all the community, why not add them in the main install?
I hope this doesn't come down to the amount of data you have, I know it will be cheaper then 1800.00
 
Some of us don't have the knowledge to accomplish these functions.
I think it's like Elisa, she only gets smarter the more you use it.
 
 
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Your reputation is in the hands of others. That's what a
reputation is. You can't control that. The only thing you
can control is your character.
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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mike and Jenna
Sent: Monday, December 18, 2017 10:39 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] competition

I have to agree with this. My wife asked to question the other day why use NVDA if I have to install addons to do the stuff I want to do then also have to keep them updated. I see this a lot with the disability place I work for part time. I have several elders after showing them nvda and jaws have chosen jaws do to the fact they don’t have to deal with addons.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2017 8:15 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] competition

 

A lot of NVDA users won't ever know enough to know that there are add ons nor how to install them.  You are free to remove any add ons you don't want and, for experienced users who understand the implications, a no add ons NVDA can be offered if it really matters, which I don't think it does.  I'm not talking about including add on after add on in NVDA.  I'm saying that some add ons should be included because you aren't serving a lot of blind people well by not doing so, meaning the large number, who will never use add ons they have to download and install.  Instead of spending time and resources reinventing the wheel just to make it a part of core NVDA code, just include the add on. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2017 6:19 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] competition

 

What I've liked and am liking of the AddOns on NVDA is the ability to install those that suits are needs, thus NVDA should be pure as always, but with each of us adding the necessary AddOns for our daily use.

 

El 17/12/2017 a las 06:16 p.m., Rui Fontes escribió:

Sorry, Gene, but if some of the addons will be shipped with NVDA and set to run, they should stop being addons and start being part of NVDA core...

 

Addon, by definition, is a piece of software to execute a specific function that does not make part of the NVDA core...

 

Regards,

 

Rui Fontes

 

 

Às 00:07 de 18/12/2017, Gene escreveu:

NVDA doesn't have to adopt every popular feature of other screen-readers to compete.  I don't have much opinion about whether this feature is implemented in NVDA directly or by an add on.  It is a peripheral feature and not an actual screen-reader feature.  It is a proper question whether NVDA development time and resources should be put into this project.  And an add on wouldn't divert NVDA time and resources.  However, when it comes to add ons, NVDA should do what Window-eyes used to do, not because Window-eyes does it, but because it serves users well, is logical and there is no reason of any substance not to do it.  

 

Window-eyes used to accomplish a number of functions by having a number of what it pretentiously called apps, they were really scripts, but they were available to users as add ons and were shipped with Window-eyes and were set to run at the time of installation.  Many users of whatever screen-reader they use will never learn enough to know anything about add ons.  there are a number of add ons that should be incorporated into NVDA as addons that are downloaded and are running when NVDA is run. 

 

If this were done, the major objection against making a feature an add on would be done away with.  the objection is that a lot of people will never know about add ons and never use whatever is being discussed.  If this objection were done away with by having many add ons be included in NVDA as running add ons at the time of download and installation or portable use, the whole question and argument about whether something should be an add on could be done away with. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Don H

Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2017 4:16 PM

Subject: [nvda] competition

 

When it comes to the new screen shade function in Jaws 2018 and if NVDA
should also have the same function the main question is whether or not
NVDA is in competition with other screen readers in order to get more
users or is NVDA just a free screen reader for those who can't afford to
pay for a screen reader.


 



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Enviado desde Thunderbird


choosing a new computer

Josh Kennedy
 

In windows10 when you reset it and wipe it, it keeps your drivers and stuff. Most computers today use generic drivers that windows10 knows about and can find. So you reinstall or reset windows and it comes up talking and just works .

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


Re: screen shade

Karim Lakhani <karim.lakhani@...>
 

that is why Elixa is making a killing, they have brought out a screen version.
So all these sighted who didn't like talking to Alexa, will be buying the latest and greatest.
Already in Canada people are blocking things which were but it's all about money for commercials!
 
 
 
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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene New Zealand
Sent: Monday, December 18, 2017 11:12 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] screen shade

I agree with you.

I have not seen a sighted person use a device with the screen off on any device.

You ask any sighted person to use the computer with say sound and only the screen reader and the screen turned off and they are lost.

I my self would not even do any type of banking or sensitive stuff on a public computer just because of security I would want to hope it was really locked down.
And that would be even with a blacked out screen.
I would still not go there on public terminal.
 
Been in a home situation I would not have a need for it who is going to look my wife? or may be people just do not want people to know they could be looking at one of those .aughty websites.

  At home off goes the button on the monitor and then the wife if she wants it just turns it on.


Gene nz

On 12/19/2017 2:03 AM, ely.r@... wrote:

Good idea!

I have to wonder what people are writing on their computers in what I assume is a public area that they do not want others to see. If someone has full vision, one would assume that they have their screen turned on so they can both read and write. If so, then it is likely that they will not be writing highly sensitive things that others might see as they walk by. Sorry if this seems insensitive, but. . .

Rick

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Josh Kennedy
Sent: Monday, December 18, 2017 7:53 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] screen shade

Instead of screen shade. Get a black piece of paper and put it over your screen. And voila, nobody can see your screen at all.

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screen shade

Josh Kennedy
 

Ok about the screen shade. Why do blind people need a screen shade? And why do sighted people they don’t need a screen shade? So why is it good for blind to have screen shade but not sighted? Oh and if I were a sighted person and you had a screen shade on, I would just pick up my smart phone and do some research and could figure out how to turn it off anyway. And what if the keyboard command for turning it on and off were spread on facebook and twitter? Now anybody can just come by your computer ;and turn the screen shade off. Or  someone could just hack the computer and use it screen shade or no shade, without even caring screen shade is on or off. Don’t know why you want screen shade, but if it is for privacy? Forget it. If I had a blind son and I were a sighted parent and caught my blind son having a screen shade, I would suspect he’s doing or reading stuff he should not. Guess what? I take the computer or phone away from him for a week or so. He gets punished for using screen shade.

 

 

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Re: competition

Karim Lakhani <karim.lakhani@...>
 

Hi,
Can someone explain why add are not included in the main install of the APP.
If the add on's are useable by all the community, why not add them in the main install?
I hope this doesn't come down to the amount of data you have, I know it will be cheaper then 1800.00
 
Some of us don't have the knowledge to accomplish these functions.
I think it's like Elisa, she only gets smarter the more you use it.
 
 
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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mike and Jenna
Sent: Monday, December 18, 2017 10:39 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] competition

I have to agree with this. My wife asked to question the other day why use NVDA if I have to install addons to do the stuff I want to do then also have to keep them updated. I see this a lot with the disability place I work for part time. I have several elders after showing them nvda and jaws have chosen jaws do to the fact they don’t have to deal with addons.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2017 8:15 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] competition

 

A lot of NVDA users won't ever know enough to know that there are add ons nor how to install them.  You are free to remove any add ons you don't want and, for experienced users who understand the implications, a no add ons NVDA can be offered if it really matters, which I don't think it does.  I'm not talking about including add on after add on in NVDA.  I'm saying that some add ons should be included because you aren't serving a lot of blind people well by not doing so, meaning the large number, who will never use add ons they have to download and install.  Instead of spending time and resources reinventing the wheel just to make it a part of core NVDA code, just include the add on. 

 

Gene

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Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2017 6:19 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] competition

 

What I've liked and am liking of the AddOns on NVDA is the ability to install those that suits are needs, thus NVDA should be pure as always, but with each of us adding the necessary AddOns for our daily use.

 

El 17/12/2017 a las 06:16 p.m., Rui Fontes escribió:

Sorry, Gene, but if some of the addons will be shipped with NVDA and set to run, they should stop being addons and start being part of NVDA core...

 

Addon, by definition, is a piece of software to execute a specific function that does not make part of the NVDA core...

 

Regards,

 

Rui Fontes

 

 

Às 00:07 de 18/12/2017, Gene escreveu:

NVDA doesn't have to adopt every popular feature of other screen-readers to compete.  I don't have much opinion about whether this feature is implemented in NVDA directly or by an add on.  It is a peripheral feature and not an actual screen-reader feature.  It is a proper question whether NVDA development time and resources should be put into this project.  And an add on wouldn't divert NVDA time and resources.  However, when it comes to add ons, NVDA should do what Window-eyes used to do, not because Window-eyes does it, but because it serves users well, is logical and there is no reason of any substance not to do it.  

 

Window-eyes used to accomplish a number of functions by having a number of what it pretentiously called apps, they were really scripts, but they were available to users as add ons and were shipped with Window-eyes and were set to run at the time of installation.  Many users of whatever screen-reader they use will never learn enough to know anything about add ons.  there are a number of add ons that should be incorporated into NVDA as addons that are downloaded and are running when NVDA is run. 

 

If this were done, the major objection against making a feature an add on would be done away with.  the objection is that a lot of people will never know about add ons and never use whatever is being discussed.  If this objection were done away with by having many add ons be included in NVDA as running add ons at the time of download and installation or portable use, the whole question and argument about whether something should be an add on could be done away with. 

 

Gene

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From: Don H

Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2017 4:16 PM

Subject: [nvda] competition

 

When it comes to the new screen shade function in Jaws 2018 and if NVDA
should also have the same function the main question is whether or not
NVDA is in competition with other screen readers in order to get more
users or is NVDA just a free screen reader for those who can't afford to
pay for a screen reader.


 



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