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Re: links on web site

Gene
 

The person with the prolem wrote me off list to say that my suggestion worked.  That procedure often works when a problem like this is encountered.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2017 2:12 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] links on web site

I've seen this as well, though obviously I'm not sure what version of FF you
are using or whatever.
 Its annoying as it is not apparently always the case, its as if there are
now characters which are being interpreted differently.
 I'm not sure its the web site, more likely to be an issue in the way the
site is being handled I'd suggest.
 Having said this, I've only encountered it twice and thought it was
something I had done, so never bothered to note the pages.
 Might be worth going back to the set up you had before  when it worked, ie
browser nvda versions etc and see if it stops happening. at least then you
can narrow it down a bit. Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Don H" <lmddh50@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, December 15, 2017 10:47 PM
Subject: [nvda] links on web site


> Running Win 10 Fall creator and NVDA 2017-4.
> A change has been made to a web site that I go to often.  Before there was
> a link called closing today link.  NVDA read it exactly that way and I
> could just hit enter to open the link.  For some reason NVDA now reads the
> same link with a bullet in front of it.  If I hit enter on what NVDA reads
> as bullet Closing Today link I am taken to the desktop even though the web
> site still appears on the screen.  I have to alt tab to get focus back on
> the web page.
> Any idea as to what is going on would be appreciated.
> Thanks
>
>
>
>




Re: links on web site

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

I've seen this as well, though obviously I'm not sure what version of FF you are using or whatever.
Its annoying as it is not apparently always the case, its as if there are now characters which are being interpreted differently.
I'm not sure its the web site, more likely to be an issue in the way the site is being handled I'd suggest.
Having said this, I've only encountered it twice and thought it was something I had done, so never bothered to note the pages.
Might be worth going back to the set up you had before when it worked, ie browser nvda versions etc and see if it stops happening. at least then you can narrow it down a bit. Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Don H" <lmddh50@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, December 15, 2017 10:47 PM
Subject: [nvda] links on web site


Running Win 10 Fall creator and NVDA 2017-4.
A change has been made to a web site that I go to often. Before there was a link called closing today link. NVDA read it exactly that way and I could just hit enter to open the link. For some reason NVDA now reads the same link with a bullet in front of it. If I hit enter on what NVDA reads as bullet Closing Today link I am taken to the desktop even though the web site still appears on the screen. I have to alt tab to get focus back on the web page.
Any idea as to what is going on would be appreciated.
Thanks



Re: Quentin on leave

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Hi, Quentin,

 

Have a very Merry Christmas and a happy, healthy and blessed new year.

 

Rosemarie

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Arlene
Sent: Friday, December 15, 2017 2:59 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Quentin on leave

 

You do the same. Have a wonderful Christmas and a happy new year too.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: December-15-17 2:37 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Quentin on leave

 

Hi everyone,

 

Officially, I'm on leave now until the 15th of January.  While I'll still pop in now and then, I won't be as active for the next few weeks.  I know you will all be as helpful as ever in my absence, and also if there is anything particularly important or which needs my attention when I get back, do feel free to email or CC me so I see it.

 

I know Mick is also taking a similar amount of leave and I'm not sure how much Reef is taking.  In any case, things will likely be quiet all round officially from us.

 

Do have a wonderful, happy, holy and safe Christmas and New Year and I look forward to many stimulating conversations with you all in 2018!

 

Kind regards

 

Quentin.

 

--

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Training and Support Manager

 

Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

 

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Golden Cursor add-on: December 15th snapshot posted

 

Hi all,

 

For members of NVDA users and add-ons lists: a copy of this message was sent to NVDA development list.

 

Golden Cursor add-on December 15th snapshot is now available for testing during this holiday season:

https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/goldenCursor.en.html

 

To test the development version, select development version link. For users, you won’t see noticeable differences except for the dialog where you can see list of saved mouse positions – it now includes the app name in its title. Also, the add-on title is now just Golden Cursor.

 

Technical: I’m basically rewriting major portions of the add-on to make it:

 

  • More pythonic.
  • Python 3 ready.
  • Remove dead code.
  • Remove unused dependencies.
  • A bit faster by optimizing the source code.

 

Currently, I’ve done:

 

  • Add-on name is now just “Golden Cursor”.
  • The saved positions list dialog now includes app name as part of its title.
  • Resolved file path error where the add-on won’t save positions database if the folder for storing it is gone somehow.
  • When trying to open saved positions for an app, the dialog won’t be initialized partially due to absence of positions database. From now on, this dialog won’t open if mouse positions for the app are not present at all.
  • Replaced mouse movement direction integers with global constants to make it more readable. Also, instead of these constants being 1-based, they are 0-based. This allows their transformation into enumerated type later.
  • Mouse restriction and pixel announcement are proper Boolean flags.
  • Mouse movement function is now named “moveMouse” instead of “move_mouse” to make it compliant with NVDA coding guidelines.
  • When trying to move the mouse, during mouse coordinate versus screen size comparison, chained comparisons are used instead of range function. The range function in Python 2 returns a list, not an iterator like what Python 3 version or xrange function does. This speeds up mouse movement routine significantly.
  • No more use of winsound or time modules. In case of winsound.MessageBeep, wx.Bell can be used, and things from time module isn’t used by the add-on at all.

 

As always, further pull requests should be done via GitHub. Comments and reviews are appreciated.

 

Thanks.

Cheers,

Joseph


new avira interface

enes sarıbaş
 

hi all,

Has anyone figured out how to use the new avira interface?


Re: Quentin on leave

Arlene
 

You do the same. Have a wonderful Christmas and a happy new year too.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: December-15-17 2:37 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Quentin on leave

 

Hi everyone,

 

Officially, I'm on leave now until the 15th of January.  While I'll still pop in now and then, I won't be as active for the next few weeks.  I know you will all be as helpful as ever in my absence, and also if there is anything particularly important or which needs my attention when I get back, do feel free to email or CC me so I see it.

 

I know Mick is also taking a similar amount of leave and I'm not sure how much Reef is taking.  In any case, things will likely be quiet all round officially from us.

 

Do have a wonderful, happy, holy and safe Christmas and New Year and I look forward to many stimulating conversations with you all in 2018!

 

Kind regards

 

Quentin.

 

--

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Training and Support Manager

 

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Re: links on web site

Gene
 

When you are on the link, go into forms mode with NVDA key space.  Press enter on the link.  That will likely cause the link to function properly.  Once the new page has loaded, go into browse mode again with NVDA key space.  It's a toggle.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Don H
Sent: Friday, December 15, 2017 4:47 PM
Subject: [nvda] links on web site

Running Win 10 Fall creator and NVDA 2017-4.
A change has been made to a web site that I go to often.  Before there
was a link called closing today link.  NVDA read it exactly that way and
I could just hit enter to open the link.  For some reason NVDA now reads
the same link with a bullet in front of it.  If I hit enter on what NVDA
reads as bullet Closing Today link I am taken to the desktop even though
the web site still appears on the screen.  I have to alt tab to get
focus back on the web page.
Any idea as to what is going on would be appreciated.
Thanks




links on web site

Don H
 

Running Win 10 Fall creator and NVDA 2017-4.
A change has been made to a web site that I go to often. Before there was a link called closing today link. NVDA read it exactly that way and I could just hit enter to open the link. For some reason NVDA now reads the same link with a bullet in front of it. If I hit enter on what NVDA reads as bullet Closing Today link I am taken to the desktop even though the web site still appears on the screen. I have to alt tab to get focus back on the web page.
Any idea as to what is going on would be appreciated.
Thanks


Re: Quentin on leave

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Its traditional in countries where summer is at Christmas/new year for most to take up to a month off. Here in the frozen north we are just glad to be busy to keep warm of course!

Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Quentin Christensen" <quentin@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, December 15, 2017 10:36 AM
Subject: [nvda] Quentin on leave


Hi everyone,

Officially, I'm on leave now until the 15th of January. While I'll still
pop in now and then, I won't be as active for the next few weeks. I know
you will all be as helpful as ever in my absence, and also if there is
anything particularly important or which needs my attention when I get
back, do feel free to email or CC me so I see it.

I know Mick is also taking a similar amount of leave and I'm not sure how
much Reef is taking. In any case, things will likely be quiet all round
officially from us.

Do have a wonderful, happy, holy and safe Christmas and New Year and I look
forward to many stimulating conversations with you all in 2018!

Kind regards

Quentin.

--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification now available:
http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

www.nvaccess.org
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
Twitter: @NVAccess


Re: The old NVDA won't start after an update problem again

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

No this is not. Indeed the log you saw was from the latest master snap but the latest stable does exactly the same. It was fine in 2017.3.
I think its the new code to replace lib files that cannot delete or rename files, while not actually causing a hard error gets slow in catching up and fails due to the delay.
Strange one. So far only two people have seen this, one is me, and both are on windows 7 machines with ssd drives, apart from that there seems to be nothing similar.
I can live with it, but its very strange indeed.
Brian

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From: "zahra" <nasrinkhaksar3@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, December 15, 2017 10:59 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] The old NVDA won't start after an update problem again


hello.
i think that this issuee is resolved in nvda 17.4
in which versions of nvda, did you have this problem?

On 12/14/17, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
<bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io> wrote:
I am posting this here as I originally started an issue on Github about it
and wondered now if anyone else had seen the same thing.
Basically if you update nvda either portably or for an installed copy, be
it the release, release candidate or either snapshot branch, sometimes, but

not always, Nvda will not reboot automatically. It stops working, so you
cannot hear that an error box is on screen about nvda being unable to write

to the log file. It has however created a small log in the program files
folder wherever you had put it of course.
The problem in my mind is that it is not shutting down the old copy before

its starting the new one which of course results in the new copy trying to
rename the log file and start a new one, which it is unable to achieve hence

the problem.
I started to wonder what might cause this, and I think, looking at the log

of the temp copy doing the update its a problem with windows getting behind

processing file handling requests. Have a look at this update log. Those
of a disposition who hate watching paint dry should stop reading here!

DEBUGWARNING - RPC process 680 (nvda_slave.exe) (17:11:27.374):
Python warning:
C:\Users\Brian\AppData\Local\Temp\nsk588E.tmp\app\library.zip\configobj.py:28:

DeprecationWarning: The compiler package is deprecated and removed in Python

3.x.
IO - speech.speak (17:11:27.434):
Speaking [LangChangeCommand ('en_GB'), u'Updating NVDA dialog Please wait

while your previous installation of NVDA is being updated.']
DEBUGWARNING - RPC process 680 (nvda_slave.exe) (17:11:27.460):
installer.tryCopyFile:
Unable to copy
\\?\C:\Users\Brian\AppData\Local\Temp\nsk588E.tmp\app\nvda_eoaProxy.exe,
error 32
DEBUGWARNING - RPC process 680 (nvda_slave.exe) (17:11:27.464):
installer.tryCopyFile:
Unable to copy
\\?\C:\Users\Brian\AppData\Local\Temp\nsk588E.tmp\app\python27.dll, error
32
DEBUGWARNING - RPC process 680 (nvda_slave.exe) (17:11:27.490):
installer.tryCopyFile:
Unable to copy
\\?\C:\Users\Brian\AppData\Local\Temp\nsk588E.tmp\app\_ctypes.pyd, error 32
IO - tones.beep (17:11:28.296):
Beep at pitch 440, for 40 ms, left volume 50, right volume 50
IO - speech.speak (17:11:28.299):
Speaking [LangChangeCommand ('en_GB'), u'Please wait']
IO - tones.beep (17:11:28.331):
Beep at pitch 110.0, for 40 ms, left volume 50, right volume 50
IO - speech.speak (17:11:28.334):
Speaking [LangChangeCommand ('en_GB'), u'0 percent']
DEBUG - RPC process 680 (nvda_slave.exe) (17:11:28.940):
installer.removeOldLibFiles:
Removing old lib file: u'C:\\Program Files
(x86)\\NVDA\\lib\\master-14715,94bc05be\\IAccessible2proxy.dll'
IO - tones.beep (17:11:29.309):
Beep at pitch 440, for 40 ms, left volume 50, right volume 50
DEBUGWARNING - RPC process 680 (nvda_slave.exe) (17:11:29.943):
installer.tryRemoveFile:
Failed to delete file C:\Program Files
(x86)\NVDA\lib\master-14715,94bc05be\tmp9mt4pu, marking for delete on
reboot
DEBUG - RPC process 680 (nvda_slave.exe) (17:11:29.946):
installer.removeOldLibFiles:
Removing old lib file: u'C:\\Program Files
(x86)\\NVDA\\lib\\master-14715,94bc05be\\ISimpleDOM.dll'
IO - tones.beep (17:11:30.325):
Beep at pitch 440, for 40 ms, left volume 50, right volume 50
DEBUGWARNING - RPC process 680 (nvda_slave.exe) (17:11:30.948):
installer.tryRemoveFile:
Failed to delete file C:\Program Files
(x86)\NVDA\lib\master-14715,94bc05be\tmpdfgzmm, marking for delete on
reboot
DEBUG - RPC process 680 (nvda_slave.exe) (17:11:30.953):
installer.removeOldLibFiles:
Removing old lib file: u'C:\\Program Files
(x86)\\NVDA\\lib\\master-14715,94bc05be\\minHook.dll'
DEBUG - RPC process 680 (nvda_slave.exe) (17:11:30.957):
installer.removeOldLibFiles:
Removing old lib file: u'C:\\Program Files
(x86)\\NVDA\\lib\\master-14715,94bc05be\\nvdaHelperLocal.dll'
DEBUG - RPC process 680 (nvda_slave.exe) (17:11:30.960):
installer.removeOldLibFiles:
Removing old lib file: u'C:\\Program Files
(x86)\\NVDA\\lib\\master-14715,94bc05be\\nvdaHelperLocalWin10.dll'
DEBUG - RPC process 680 (nvda_slave.exe) (17:11:30.963):
installer.removeOldLibFiles:
Removing old lib file: u'C:\\Program Files
(x86)\\NVDA\\lib\\master-14715,94bc05be\\nvdaHelperRemote.dll'
IO - tones.beep (17:11:31.338):
Beep at pitch 440, for 40 ms, left volume 50, right volume 50
DEBUGWARNING - RPC process 680 (nvda_slave.exe) (17:11:31.966):
installer.tryRemoveFile:
Failed to delete file C:\Program Files
(x86)\NVDA\lib\master-14715,94bc05be\tmpof9all, marking for delete on
reboot
DEBUG - RPC process 680 (nvda_slave.exe) (17:11:31.969):
installer.removeOldLibFiles:
Removing old lib file: u'C:\\Program Files
(x86)\\NVDA\\lib\\master-14715,94bc05be\\VBufBackend_adobeAcrobat.dll'
DEBUG - RPC process 680 (nvda_slave.exe) (17:11:31.971):
installer.removeOldLibFiles:
Removing old lib file: u'C:\\Program Files
(x86)\\NVDA\\lib\\master-14715,94bc05be\\VBufBackend_adobeFlash.dll'
DEBUG - RPC process 680 (nvda_slave.exe) (17:11:31.974):
installer.removeOldLibFiles:
Removing old lib file: u'C:\\Program Files
(x86)\\NVDA\\lib\\master-14715,94bc05be\\VBufBackend_gecko_ia2.dll'
DEBUG - RPC process 680 (nvda_slave.exe) (17:11:31.977):
installer.removeOldLibFiles:
Removing old lib file: u'C:\\Program Files
(x86)\\NVDA\\lib\\master-14715,94bc05be\\VBufBackend_lotusNotesRichText.dll'
DEBUG - RPC process 680 (nvda_slave.exe) (17:11:31.983):
installer.removeOldLibFiles:
Removing old lib file: u'C:\\Program Files
(x86)\\NVDA\\lib\\master-14715,94bc05be\\VBufBackend_mshtml.dll'
DEBUG - RPC process 680 (nvda_slave.exe) (17:11:31.986):
installer.removeOldLibFiles:
Removing old lib file: u'C:\\Program Files
(x86)\\NVDA\\lib\\master-14715,94bc05be\\VBufBackend_webKit.dll'
DEBUG - RPC process 680 (nvda_slave.exe) (17:11:31.990):
installer.removeOldLibFiles:
Skipping current install lib path: u'C:\\Program Files
(x86)\\NVDA\\lib\\master-14729,3152eacc'
DEBUG - RPC process 680 (nvda_slave.exe) (17:11:31.992):
installer.removeOldLibFiles:
Removing old lib directory: u'C:\\Program Files
(x86)\\NVDA\\lib\\master-14705,36a03f17'
DEBUG - RPC process 680 (nvda_slave.exe) (17:11:31.993):
installer.removeOldLibFiles:
Removing old lib directory: u'C:\\Program Files
(x86)\\NVDA\\lib\\master-14715,94bc05be'
WARNING - RPC process 680 (nvda_slave.exe) (17:11:31.994):
installer.removeOldLibFiles:
Failed to remove a directory no longer needed. This can be manually removed

after a reboot or the installer will try removing it again next time.
Directory: u'C:\\Program Files (x86)\\NVDA\\lib\\master-14715,94bc05be'
DEBUG - RPC process 680 (nvda_slave.exe) (17:11:31.996):
installer.removeOldLibFiles:
Removing old lib directory: u'C:\\Program Files
(x86)\\NVDA\\lib\\master-14729,3152eacc'
WARNING - RPC process 680 (nvda_slave.exe) (17:11:31.997):
installer.removeOldLibFiles:
Failed to remove a directory no longer needed. This can be manually removed

after a reboot or the installer will try removing it again next time.
Directory: u'C:\\Program Files (x86)\\NVDA\\lib\\master-14729,3152eacc'
DEBUG - RPC process 680 (nvda_slave.exe) (17:11:32.000):
installer.removeOldLibFiles:
Removing old lib file: u'C:\\Program Files
(x86)\\NVDA\\lib64\\master-14715,94bc05be\\IAccessible2proxy.dll'
IO - tones.beep (17:11:32.351):
Beep at pitch 440, for 40 ms, left volume 50, right volume 50
DEBUGWARNING - RPC process 680 (nvda_slave.exe) (17:11:33.002):
installer.tryRemoveFile:
Failed to delete file C:\Program Files
(x86)\NVDA\lib64\master-14715,94bc05be\tmpkocqtp, marking for delete on
reboot
DEBUG - RPC process 680 (nvda_slave.exe) (17:11:33.005):
installer.removeOldLibFiles:
Removing old lib file: u'C:\\Program Files
(x86)\\NVDA\\lib64\\master-14715,94bc05be\\ISimpleDOM.dll'
IO - tones.beep (17:11:33.365):
Beep at pitch 440, for 40 ms, left volume 50, right volume 50
DEBUGWARNING - RPC process 680 (nvda_slave.exe) (17:11:34.009):
installer.tryRemoveFile:
Failed to delete file C:\Program Files
(x86)\NVDA\lib64\master-14715,94bc05be\tmp2h9urt, marking for delete on
reboot
DEBUG - RPC process 680 (nvda_slave.exe) (17:11:34.012):
installer.removeOldLibFiles:
Removing old lib file: u'C:\\Program Files
(x86)\\NVDA\\lib64\\master-14715,94bc05be\\minHook.dll'
DEBUG - RPC process 680 (nvda_slave.exe) (17:11:34.015):
installer.removeOldLibFiles:
Removing old lib file: u'C:\\Program Files
(x86)\\NVDA\\lib64\\master-14715,94bc05be\\nvdaHelperRemote.dll'
DEBUG - RPC process 680 (nvda_slave.exe) (17:11:34.017):
installer.removeOldLibFiles:
Removing old lib file: u'C:\\Program Files
(x86)\\NVDA\\lib64\\master-14715,94bc05be\\nvdaHelperRemoteLoader.exe'
DEBUG - RPC process 680 (nvda_slave.exe) (17:11:34.020):
installer.removeOldLibFiles:
Removing old lib file: u'C:\\Program Files
(x86)\\NVDA\\lib64\\master-14715,94bc05be\\VBufBackend_adobeAcrobat.dll'
DEBUG - RPC process 680 (nvda_slave.exe) (17:11:34.023):
installer.removeOldLibFiles:
Removing old lib file: u'C:\\Program Files
(x86)\\NVDA\\lib64\\master-14715,94bc05be\\VBufBackend_adobeFlash.dll'
DEBUG - RPC process 680 (nvda_slave.exe) (17:11:34.026):
installer.removeOldLibFiles:
Removing old lib file: u'C:\\Program Files
(x86)\\NVDA\\lib64\\master-14715,94bc05be\\VBufBackend_gecko_ia2.dll'
DEBUG - RPC process 680 (nvda_slave.exe) (17:11:34.029):
installer.removeOldLibFiles:
Removing old lib file: u'C:\\Program Files
(x86)\\NVDA\\lib64\\master-14715,94bc05be\\VBufBackend_lotusNotesRichText.dll'
DEBUG - RPC process 680 (nvda_slave.exe) (17:11:34.032):
installer.removeOldLibFiles:
Removing old lib file: u'C:\\Program Files
(x86)\\NVDA\\lib64\\master-14715,94bc05be\\VBufBackend_mshtml.dll'
DEBUG - RPC process 680 (nvda_slave.exe) (17:11:34.036):
installer.removeOldLibFiles:
Removing old lib file: u'C:\\Program Files
(x86)\\NVDA\\lib64\\master-14715,94bc05be\\VBufBackend_webKit.dll'
DEBUG - RPC process 680 (nvda_slave.exe) (17:11:34.038):
installer.removeOldLibFiles:
Skipping current install lib path: u'C:\\Program Files
(x86)\\NVDA\\lib64\\master-14729,3152eacc'
DEBUG - RPC process 680 (nvda_slave.exe) (17:11:34.039):
installer.removeOldLibFiles:
Removing old lib directory: u'C:\\Program Files
(x86)\\NVDA\\lib64\\master-14705,36a03f17'
DEBUG - RPC process 680 (nvda_slave.exe) (17:11:34.040):
installer.removeOldLibFiles:
Removing old lib directory: u'C:\\Program Files
(x86)\\NVDA\\lib64\\master-14715,94bc05be'
WARNING - RPC process 680 (nvda_slave.exe) (17:11:34.042):
installer.removeOldLibFiles:
Failed to remove a directory no longer needed. This can be manually removed

after a reboot or the installer will try removing it again next time.
Directory: u'C:\\Program Files (x86)\\NVDA\\lib64\\master-14715,94bc05be'
DEBUG - RPC process 680 (nvda_slave.exe) (17:11:34.043):
installer.removeOldLibFiles:
Removing old lib directory: u'C:\\Program Files
(x86)\\NVDA\\lib64\\master-14729,3152eacc'
WARNING - RPC process 680 (nvda_slave.exe) (17:11:34.045):
installer.removeOldLibFiles:
Failed to remove a directory no longer needed. This can be manually removed

after a reboot or the installer will try removing it again next time.
Directory: u'C:\\Program Files (x86)\\NVDA\\lib64\\master-14729,3152eacc'
IO - tones.beep (17:11:34.055):
Beep at pitch 1760, for 40 ms, left volume 50, right volume 50
INFO - core.main (17:11:34.206):
Exiting
DEBUG - core._terminate (17:11:34.206):
Terminating updateCheck
DEBUG - core._terminate (17:11:34.206):
Terminating watchdog
DEBUG - core._terminate (17:11:34.206):
Terminating global plugin handler
DEBUGWARNING - RPC process 4956 (nvda_update_41yb8b.exe) (17:11:35.269):
Thread 332, build\x86\remote\ia2Support.cpp, IA2Support_inProcess_terminate,

152:
WaitForMultipleObjects returned 258


Seemingly the termination never got to write the rest to the log.
Brian


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best website for studying islamic book in different languages
www.al-islam.org


Re: Caption location

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Actually if they don't let you do It I'd suggest that unless you live in a land in the dark ages perhaps they might think what might happen if a customer took them to court for inaccessible software as its probably against some act or other in the disability legislation.
Its attitudes like you are encountering which prolong the problems we are fighting about inaccessible software. The more the vendors grasp the nettle at the start of development rather than attempting to glue it on afterwards the fairer the world of employment will get for blind people.

Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: <tonea.ctr.morrow@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, December 15, 2017 1:58 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Caption location


No, I want to keep my job.

Tonea

----- Original Message -----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2017 3:27 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Caption location

Is it more likely that you could use a portable version of NVDA than the installed version? You can run it portable not even on the machine, but on a thumb drive. Doing that may be against policy, but I want to bring up all possibilities.

Gene


Re: An unusual but potentially very useful idea about sounds

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Yes this can be done, indeed often a radio just near the computer is enough.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Howard Traxler" <howard@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, December 15, 2017 2:40 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] An unusual but potentially very useful idea about sounds


Gene, I know what you meant about (mostly un-noticed)sounds. They do, however, usually need some interpretation; which you can work out if necessary.

Back in the '90s I was sometimes called upon to troubleshoot a computer that appeared not to be working. I used a cheap and small portable A M radio. Placed in the computer, somewhere near the CPU and tuned to a spot on the dial that produced the most noise from the computer, I could get the same types of sounds you are getting from your headphones. It was very helpful.

Howard

----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2017 4:46 AM
Subject: [nvda] An unusual but potentially very useful idea about sounds


People who have followed my comments about sounds may believe that I don't see much use in sounds in general. That isn't the case. I think many sounds people rely on don't give much useful information or duplicate very easily gotten information already available but here is an idea for sounds that give unavailable information or information that is not conveniently available.

Awhile ago, I got a new set of headphones that are unusually efficient. They are so efficient that I can hear the sounds of the processor working softly. I was initially going to buy an adapter with a volume control to get rid of the sounds but I found that they were useful. For example, if I am normalizing a file, the processor makes a certain kind of sound when I'm using the program I normalize with. I don't have to check to see when normalization is finished nor do I need a specific sound, nonexistent, to tell me. I just wait for the processor sound to stop. The same when I'm copying long files. I don't have to check periodically. If I'm downloading something, again, my processor makes a certain repetetive sound. I know when the download has finished by simply not hearing that sound any longer. The same for uploads. I can tell when my computer shuts down because the processor sound stops. I can tell, if I issue the reboot command when the shutdown has ended. That tells me that the reboot should be starting because a certain sound is heard.

I can tell my computer is rebooting and hasn't gotten stuck because I can hear certain specific sounds during boot up. Others may find other useful sounds. Should there be a feature in NVDA or an add on that allows the user to hear such sounds, properly amplified, when desired? They would be played through the sound card and heard over speakers or headphones, whatever is being used. the function could be toggled on and off.

Gene


Re: Recently updated on accessibilitycentral.net

特種兵
 


  if I think reference this nvda tutorials and write a Chinese nvda tutorials,
then let people who use Chinese read, which can I do it and need be care something?
example copyright etc...
http://accessibilitycentral.net/nvda%20tutorials.html

thank you for much
Logo Kuo from Taiwan
Gene New Zealand 於 2017/12/12 下午 04:00 寫道:

Hi guys

Pages recently updated
Recently updated: Added links to NVDA Guides on all NVDA related pages

New: Added a tutorial How to access safe mode in Windows and exit it with the NVDA screen reader by Hareth  and co to the NVDA audio tutorials page under the troubleshooting section http://accessibilitycentral.net/nvda%20audio%20tutorials.html Added a tutorial (by Gene Asner) called Navigating ribbons in WordPad (to the NVDA tutorials learning the basics page) http://accessibilitycentral.net/nvda%20tutorials%20learning%20the%20basics.html Added a tutorial called Using the Ribbon interface in Windows via the keyboard (by Brian Vogel) to the NVDA tutorials for Windows 10 page. http://accessibilitycentral.net/nvda%20tutorials%20for%20windows%2010.html

Gene NZ

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Re: An unusual but potentially very useful idea about sounds

Howard Traxler <howard@...>
 

Gene, I know what you meant about (mostly un-noticed)sounds.  They do, however, usually need some interpretation; which you can work out if necessary. 
 
Back in the '90s I was sometimes called upon to troubleshoot a computer that appeared not to be working.  I used a cheap and small portable A M radio.  Placed in the computer, somewhere near the CPU and tuned to a spot on the dial that produced the most noise from the computer, I could get the same types of sounds you are getting from your headphones.  It was very helpful.
 
Howard
 

----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2017 4:46 AM
Subject: [nvda] An unusual but potentially very useful idea about sounds

People who have followed my comments about sounds may believe that I don't see much use in sounds in general.  That isn't the case.  I think many sounds people rely on don't give much useful information or duplicate very easily gotten information already available but here is an idea for sounds that give unavailable information or information that is not conveniently available.
 
Awhile ago, I got a new set of headphones that are unusually efficient.  They are so efficient that I can hear the sounds of the processor working softly.  I was initially going to buy an adapter with a volume control to get rid of the sounds but I found that they were useful.  For example, if I am normalizing a file, the processor makes a certain kind of sound when I'm using the program I normalize with.  I don't have to check to see when normalization is finished nor do I need a specific sound, nonexistent, to tell me.  I just wait for the processor sound to stop.  The same when I'm copying long files.  I don't have to check periodically.  If I'm downloading something, again, my processor makes a certain repetetive sound.  I know when the download has finished by simply not hearing that sound any longer.  The same for uploads.  I can tell when my computer shuts down because the processor sound stops.  I can tell, if I issue the reboot command when the shutdown has ended.  That tells me that the reboot should be starting because a certain sound is heard. 
 
I can tell my computer is rebooting and hasn't gotten stuck because I can hear certain specific sounds during boot up.  Others may find other useful sounds.  Should there be a feature in NVDA or an add on that allows the user to hear such sounds, properly amplified, when desired?  They would be played through the sound card and heard over speakers or headphones, whatever is being used.  the function could be toggled on and off. 
 
Gene


Re: Caption location

tonea.ctr.morrow@...
 

Chuckling to myself—I have a mac at home.

 

Honestly though, I have an autistic son who turns 18 next month and a daughter who turns 16 a month later. I’m lucky if I get time to relax. My house doesn’t warrant a visit from the health department, but I can’t say it is clean either. Try to get a load of dishes or laundry done. Try to make sure everyone has dinner. Try to get two teens to do something resembling helping with the house. Try to listen to their stories about their day. Listen to the umpteenth complaint about how I don’t understand. I’m not being sarcastic when I say that I love my life. I’m needed to the point that I’m important to them, even if they don’t like it. I will miss them in a few years, so I’m enjoying what time I have.

 

Regarding the compliment, I say “Thank You.”

 

Tonea

 

-----Original Message-----

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Giles Turnbull
Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2017 4:09 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Caption location

 

Hello tonea,

I understand that you're not allowed to install NVDA or JAWS on your work computer without approval from the IT department but, assuming you have your own personal computer at home, have you not thought of installing NVDA on it, just to get a feel for how screen reading software works? Alternatively, could you not arrange a half day visit to a vision rehab training center and ask them to show you JAWS or NVDA in use, and demonstrate how a user can switch the verbocity of punctuation symbols and what effect that has? On your home computer you could try creating a dummy document with parentheses, for example, to see how NVDA reads them, and you would find many people on this list only too happy to tell you where to find the setting to switch symbol level from all to most to some and then to none.

Why not install NVDA at home and then look at your department's public website and read the webpages and PDF file downloads and find out how a visually impaired person using NVDA would experience them? I've worked as a sighted Civil Servant for the Department of Transport in London, and as a blind person on a contract for the Environmental Protection Agency in the US, and I must say it's heartwarming to see somebody so keen to understand how blind and visually impaired people experience the world in which you work :)

Giles

 


Re: Caption location

tonea.ctr.morrow@...
 

No, I want to keep my job.

 

Tonea

 

----- Original Message -----

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2017 3:27 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Caption location

 

Is it more likely that you could use a portable version of NVDA than the installed version?  You can run it portable not even on the machine, but on a thumb drive.  Doing that may be against policy, but I want to bring up all possibilities.

 

Gene

 


Re: Question about SAP and Netweaver

Adriani Botez
 

Dear Quentin,

I have provided Sap with your data and some infos aboit nvda (referenced some issues related to sap(. I have also sent you and nv access some contacts.

I wish you nice holyday and merry Christmas.

Best
Adriani


Von meinem iPhone gesendet

Am 15.12.2017 um 07:50 schrieb Quentin Christensen <quentin@...>:

Dear Adriani,

This is fantastic information, thank you!

Also, yes, I'd be happy to be in touch with the SAP accessibility team, please do pass on my details.

I am about to go on leave until the 15th of Jan, but will pop in over the break for anything urgent.

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Fri, Dec 15, 2017 at 5:30 PM, Adriani Botez <adriani.botez@...> wrote:
Deear Quentin,

I am working in net viewer every day. You can have a look at #7091 on github.

Netviewer works quite well since its functions are browser based. In any case, the user should enable  screen reader support in netviewer settings.
I would advice the user to uncheck the button tables in nvda‘s document formating settings. The reason is that NVDA reports tables almost on every line if the button is checked.
The most significant issue in netviewer is following: if you are in a data table or a form and you are just reviewing it without clicking on edit, NVDA reports for example „yes, radio button not available not checked“ although the button is checked. Thus, the user must click on edit every time if he or she wants to review thee correct status of the button which costs lot of time.

If he  or she must use sap gui, accessibility and subscripting must be activated on server and client in sap gui options. But as of now, SAP has created only an addon for jaws which works with sap gui. 

I know a blind guy who is working at SAP here in Germany. They are veryopen to work together with NV Access on an alternative addon for NVDA.

They have an accessibility team. If you wish I can bring you in contact with them.



Best
Adriani

Von meinem iPhone gesendet

Am 15.12.2017 um 06:25 schrieb Quentin Christensen <quentin@...>:

Hi everyone,

I've had an enquiry from someone about the accessibility of SAP.  They advised they are using (or will need to use) ECC 6 Enhancement Pack 6 and NetWeaver Portal 7.3 Enhancement Pack 1.

I see a couple of issues on our tracker from a couple of years ago about SAP but would be interested in hearing from anyone with more recent experience as to whether it works and if so, how well or what issues there currently are, please?

Kind regards

Quentin.

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Re: The old NVDA won't start after an update problem again

 

hello.
i think that this issuee is resolved in nvda 17.4
in which versions of nvda, did you have this problem?

On 12/14/17, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
<bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io> wrote:
I am posting this here as I originally started an issue on Github about it
and wondered now if anyone else had seen the same thing.
Basically if you update nvda either portably or for an installed copy, be
it the release, release candidate or either snapshot branch, sometimes, but

not always, Nvda will not reboot automatically. It stops working, so you
cannot hear that an error box is on screen about nvda being unable to write

to the log file. It has however created a small log in the program files
folder wherever you had put it of course.
The problem in my mind is that it is not shutting down the old copy before

its starting the new one which of course results in the new copy trying to
rename the log file and start a new one, which it is unable to achieve hence

the problem.
I started to wonder what might cause this, and I think, looking at the log

of the temp copy doing the update its a problem with windows getting behind

processing file handling requests. Have a look at this update log. Those
of a disposition who hate watching paint dry should stop reading here!

DEBUGWARNING - RPC process 680 (nvda_slave.exe) (17:11:27.374):
Python warning:
C:\Users\Brian\AppData\Local\Temp\nsk588E.tmp\app\library.zip\configobj.py:28:

DeprecationWarning: The compiler package is deprecated and removed in Python

3.x.
IO - speech.speak (17:11:27.434):
Speaking [LangChangeCommand ('en_GB'), u'Updating NVDA dialog Please wait

while your previous installation of NVDA is being updated.']
DEBUGWARNING - RPC process 680 (nvda_slave.exe) (17:11:27.460):
installer.tryCopyFile:
Unable to copy
\\?\C:\Users\Brian\AppData\Local\Temp\nsk588E.tmp\app\nvda_eoaProxy.exe,
error 32
DEBUGWARNING - RPC process 680 (nvda_slave.exe) (17:11:27.464):
installer.tryCopyFile:
Unable to copy
\\?\C:\Users\Brian\AppData\Local\Temp\nsk588E.tmp\app\python27.dll, error
32
DEBUGWARNING - RPC process 680 (nvda_slave.exe) (17:11:27.490):
installer.tryCopyFile:
Unable to copy
\\?\C:\Users\Brian\AppData\Local\Temp\nsk588E.tmp\app\_ctypes.pyd, error 32
IO - tones.beep (17:11:28.296):
Beep at pitch 440, for 40 ms, left volume 50, right volume 50
IO - speech.speak (17:11:28.299):
Speaking [LangChangeCommand ('en_GB'), u'Please wait']
IO - tones.beep (17:11:28.331):
Beep at pitch 110.0, for 40 ms, left volume 50, right volume 50
IO - speech.speak (17:11:28.334):
Speaking [LangChangeCommand ('en_GB'), u'0 percent']
DEBUG - RPC process 680 (nvda_slave.exe) (17:11:28.940):
installer.removeOldLibFiles:
Removing old lib file: u'C:\\Program Files
(x86)\\NVDA\\lib\\master-14715,94bc05be\\IAccessible2proxy.dll'
IO - tones.beep (17:11:29.309):
Beep at pitch 440, for 40 ms, left volume 50, right volume 50
DEBUGWARNING - RPC process 680 (nvda_slave.exe) (17:11:29.943):
installer.tryRemoveFile:
Failed to delete file C:\Program Files
(x86)\NVDA\lib\master-14715,94bc05be\tmp9mt4pu, marking for delete on
reboot
DEBUG - RPC process 680 (nvda_slave.exe) (17:11:29.946):
installer.removeOldLibFiles:
Removing old lib file: u'C:\\Program Files
(x86)\\NVDA\\lib\\master-14715,94bc05be\\ISimpleDOM.dll'
IO - tones.beep (17:11:30.325):
Beep at pitch 440, for 40 ms, left volume 50, right volume 50
DEBUGWARNING - RPC process 680 (nvda_slave.exe) (17:11:30.948):
installer.tryRemoveFile:
Failed to delete file C:\Program Files
(x86)\NVDA\lib\master-14715,94bc05be\tmpdfgzmm, marking for delete on
reboot
DEBUG - RPC process 680 (nvda_slave.exe) (17:11:30.953):
installer.removeOldLibFiles:
Removing old lib file: u'C:\\Program Files
(x86)\\NVDA\\lib\\master-14715,94bc05be\\minHook.dll'
DEBUG - RPC process 680 (nvda_slave.exe) (17:11:30.957):
installer.removeOldLibFiles:
Removing old lib file: u'C:\\Program Files
(x86)\\NVDA\\lib\\master-14715,94bc05be\\nvdaHelperLocal.dll'
DEBUG - RPC process 680 (nvda_slave.exe) (17:11:30.960):
installer.removeOldLibFiles:
Removing old lib file: u'C:\\Program Files
(x86)\\NVDA\\lib\\master-14715,94bc05be\\nvdaHelperLocalWin10.dll'
DEBUG - RPC process 680 (nvda_slave.exe) (17:11:30.963):
installer.removeOldLibFiles:
Removing old lib file: u'C:\\Program Files
(x86)\\NVDA\\lib\\master-14715,94bc05be\\nvdaHelperRemote.dll'
IO - tones.beep (17:11:31.338):
Beep at pitch 440, for 40 ms, left volume 50, right volume 50
DEBUGWARNING - RPC process 680 (nvda_slave.exe) (17:11:31.966):
installer.tryRemoveFile:
Failed to delete file C:\Program Files
(x86)\NVDA\lib\master-14715,94bc05be\tmpof9all, marking for delete on
reboot
DEBUG - RPC process 680 (nvda_slave.exe) (17:11:31.969):
installer.removeOldLibFiles:
Removing old lib file: u'C:\\Program Files
(x86)\\NVDA\\lib\\master-14715,94bc05be\\VBufBackend_adobeAcrobat.dll'
DEBUG - RPC process 680 (nvda_slave.exe) (17:11:31.971):
installer.removeOldLibFiles:
Removing old lib file: u'C:\\Program Files
(x86)\\NVDA\\lib\\master-14715,94bc05be\\VBufBackend_adobeFlash.dll'
DEBUG - RPC process 680 (nvda_slave.exe) (17:11:31.974):
installer.removeOldLibFiles:
Removing old lib file: u'C:\\Program Files
(x86)\\NVDA\\lib\\master-14715,94bc05be\\VBufBackend_gecko_ia2.dll'
DEBUG - RPC process 680 (nvda_slave.exe) (17:11:31.977):
installer.removeOldLibFiles:
Removing old lib file: u'C:\\Program Files
(x86)\\NVDA\\lib\\master-14715,94bc05be\\VBufBackend_lotusNotesRichText.dll'
DEBUG - RPC process 680 (nvda_slave.exe) (17:11:31.983):
installer.removeOldLibFiles:
Removing old lib file: u'C:\\Program Files
(x86)\\NVDA\\lib\\master-14715,94bc05be\\VBufBackend_mshtml.dll'
DEBUG - RPC process 680 (nvda_slave.exe) (17:11:31.986):
installer.removeOldLibFiles:
Removing old lib file: u'C:\\Program Files
(x86)\\NVDA\\lib\\master-14715,94bc05be\\VBufBackend_webKit.dll'
DEBUG - RPC process 680 (nvda_slave.exe) (17:11:31.990):
installer.removeOldLibFiles:
Skipping current install lib path: u'C:\\Program Files
(x86)\\NVDA\\lib\\master-14729,3152eacc'
DEBUG - RPC process 680 (nvda_slave.exe) (17:11:31.992):
installer.removeOldLibFiles:
Removing old lib directory: u'C:\\Program Files
(x86)\\NVDA\\lib\\master-14705,36a03f17'
DEBUG - RPC process 680 (nvda_slave.exe) (17:11:31.993):
installer.removeOldLibFiles:
Removing old lib directory: u'C:\\Program Files
(x86)\\NVDA\\lib\\master-14715,94bc05be'
WARNING - RPC process 680 (nvda_slave.exe) (17:11:31.994):
installer.removeOldLibFiles:
Failed to remove a directory no longer needed. This can be manually removed

after a reboot or the installer will try removing it again next time.
Directory: u'C:\\Program Files (x86)\\NVDA\\lib\\master-14715,94bc05be'
DEBUG - RPC process 680 (nvda_slave.exe) (17:11:31.996):
installer.removeOldLibFiles:
Removing old lib directory: u'C:\\Program Files
(x86)\\NVDA\\lib\\master-14729,3152eacc'
WARNING - RPC process 680 (nvda_slave.exe) (17:11:31.997):
installer.removeOldLibFiles:
Failed to remove a directory no longer needed. This can be manually removed

after a reboot or the installer will try removing it again next time.
Directory: u'C:\\Program Files (x86)\\NVDA\\lib\\master-14729,3152eacc'
DEBUG - RPC process 680 (nvda_slave.exe) (17:11:32.000):
installer.removeOldLibFiles:
Removing old lib file: u'C:\\Program Files
(x86)\\NVDA\\lib64\\master-14715,94bc05be\\IAccessible2proxy.dll'
IO - tones.beep (17:11:32.351):
Beep at pitch 440, for 40 ms, left volume 50, right volume 50
DEBUGWARNING - RPC process 680 (nvda_slave.exe) (17:11:33.002):
installer.tryRemoveFile:
Failed to delete file C:\Program Files
(x86)\NVDA\lib64\master-14715,94bc05be\tmpkocqtp, marking for delete on
reboot
DEBUG - RPC process 680 (nvda_slave.exe) (17:11:33.005):
installer.removeOldLibFiles:
Removing old lib file: u'C:\\Program Files
(x86)\\NVDA\\lib64\\master-14715,94bc05be\\ISimpleDOM.dll'
IO - tones.beep (17:11:33.365):
Beep at pitch 440, for 40 ms, left volume 50, right volume 50
DEBUGWARNING - RPC process 680 (nvda_slave.exe) (17:11:34.009):
installer.tryRemoveFile:
Failed to delete file C:\Program Files
(x86)\NVDA\lib64\master-14715,94bc05be\tmp2h9urt, marking for delete on
reboot
DEBUG - RPC process 680 (nvda_slave.exe) (17:11:34.012):
installer.removeOldLibFiles:
Removing old lib file: u'C:\\Program Files
(x86)\\NVDA\\lib64\\master-14715,94bc05be\\minHook.dll'
DEBUG - RPC process 680 (nvda_slave.exe) (17:11:34.015):
installer.removeOldLibFiles:
Removing old lib file: u'C:\\Program Files
(x86)\\NVDA\\lib64\\master-14715,94bc05be\\nvdaHelperRemote.dll'
DEBUG - RPC process 680 (nvda_slave.exe) (17:11:34.017):
installer.removeOldLibFiles:
Removing old lib file: u'C:\\Program Files
(x86)\\NVDA\\lib64\\master-14715,94bc05be\\nvdaHelperRemoteLoader.exe'
DEBUG - RPC process 680 (nvda_slave.exe) (17:11:34.020):
installer.removeOldLibFiles:
Removing old lib file: u'C:\\Program Files
(x86)\\NVDA\\lib64\\master-14715,94bc05be\\VBufBackend_adobeAcrobat.dll'
DEBUG - RPC process 680 (nvda_slave.exe) (17:11:34.023):
installer.removeOldLibFiles:
Removing old lib file: u'C:\\Program Files
(x86)\\NVDA\\lib64\\master-14715,94bc05be\\VBufBackend_adobeFlash.dll'
DEBUG - RPC process 680 (nvda_slave.exe) (17:11:34.026):
installer.removeOldLibFiles:
Removing old lib file: u'C:\\Program Files
(x86)\\NVDA\\lib64\\master-14715,94bc05be\\VBufBackend_gecko_ia2.dll'
DEBUG - RPC process 680 (nvda_slave.exe) (17:11:34.029):
installer.removeOldLibFiles:
Removing old lib file: u'C:\\Program Files
(x86)\\NVDA\\lib64\\master-14715,94bc05be\\VBufBackend_lotusNotesRichText.dll'
DEBUG - RPC process 680 (nvda_slave.exe) (17:11:34.032):
installer.removeOldLibFiles:
Removing old lib file: u'C:\\Program Files
(x86)\\NVDA\\lib64\\master-14715,94bc05be\\VBufBackend_mshtml.dll'
DEBUG - RPC process 680 (nvda_slave.exe) (17:11:34.036):
installer.removeOldLibFiles:
Removing old lib file: u'C:\\Program Files
(x86)\\NVDA\\lib64\\master-14715,94bc05be\\VBufBackend_webKit.dll'
DEBUG - RPC process 680 (nvda_slave.exe) (17:11:34.038):
installer.removeOldLibFiles:
Skipping current install lib path: u'C:\\Program Files
(x86)\\NVDA\\lib64\\master-14729,3152eacc'
DEBUG - RPC process 680 (nvda_slave.exe) (17:11:34.039):
installer.removeOldLibFiles:
Removing old lib directory: u'C:\\Program Files
(x86)\\NVDA\\lib64\\master-14705,36a03f17'
DEBUG - RPC process 680 (nvda_slave.exe) (17:11:34.040):
installer.removeOldLibFiles:
Removing old lib directory: u'C:\\Program Files
(x86)\\NVDA\\lib64\\master-14715,94bc05be'
WARNING - RPC process 680 (nvda_slave.exe) (17:11:34.042):
installer.removeOldLibFiles:
Failed to remove a directory no longer needed. This can be manually removed

after a reboot or the installer will try removing it again next time.
Directory: u'C:\\Program Files (x86)\\NVDA\\lib64\\master-14715,94bc05be'
DEBUG - RPC process 680 (nvda_slave.exe) (17:11:34.043):
installer.removeOldLibFiles:
Removing old lib directory: u'C:\\Program Files
(x86)\\NVDA\\lib64\\master-14729,3152eacc'
WARNING - RPC process 680 (nvda_slave.exe) (17:11:34.045):
installer.removeOldLibFiles:
Failed to remove a directory no longer needed. This can be manually removed

after a reboot or the installer will try removing it again next time.
Directory: u'C:\\Program Files (x86)\\NVDA\\lib64\\master-14729,3152eacc'
IO - tones.beep (17:11:34.055):
Beep at pitch 1760, for 40 ms, left volume 50, right volume 50
INFO - core.main (17:11:34.206):
Exiting
DEBUG - core._terminate (17:11:34.206):
Terminating updateCheck
DEBUG - core._terminate (17:11:34.206):
Terminating watchdog
DEBUG - core._terminate (17:11:34.206):
Terminating global plugin handler
DEBUGWARNING - RPC process 4956 (nvda_update_41yb8b.exe) (17:11:35.269):
Thread 332, build\x86\remote\ia2Support.cpp, IA2Support_inProcess_terminate,

152:
WaitForMultipleObjects returned 258


Seemingly the termination never got to write the rest to the log.
Brian


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Quentin on leave

Quentin Christensen
 

Hi everyone,

Officially, I'm on leave now until the 15th of January.  While I'll still pop in now and then, I won't be as active for the next few weeks.  I know you will all be as helpful as ever in my absence, and also if there is anything particularly important or which needs my attention when I get back, do feel free to email or CC me so I see it.

I know Mick is also taking a similar amount of leave and I'm not sure how much Reef is taking.  In any case, things will likely be quiet all round officially from us.

Do have a wonderful, happy, holy and safe Christmas and New Year and I look forward to many stimulating conversations with you all in 2018!

Kind regards

Quentin.

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What is the point of Windows 10S?

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This question came up recently due to nvaccess preparing a version of nvda for the App store for this version of Windows.
Just reading the info on line very quickly, and correct me if I'm wrong, this is a very crippled version which only runs universal apps from the store at present, and hence does not have the ability to run a full nvda either.
Who is this intended for?
I ask as to me most commercial and educational organisations would want an operating system that supports future expansion of third party software or bespoke configuration both of which seem not to be the aim of this version of Windows. It seems although supposedly very secure a bit of a Mickey mouse tonka tooy system.
As this will obviously affect nvda as it will need this special version I feel its on topic here. Who is it meant for and why?
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