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Re: NVDA remote access and usage

Charles Adkins
 

Actually, I have had the opposite result. I use it here at work on two computers. If I can help write me off list. I got my help from the nvdaremote.com page. Hope that helps. 


On Aug 12, 2020, at 10:02 AM, Don Risavy, Jr. <donaldrisavy@...> wrote:



Hello,

Was wondering if there was a easier method for using the remote plug in for NVDA as what saw and or tried to use was extremely aggravating, challenging and frustrating trying to figure out how to use the plug in for accessing other computers that are using and have nvda installed.

Thanks.

Don

 

 


Re: Protonmail

Jesse Farquharson
 

Hello,

The bridge is a feature which can be accessed by any of the paid plans, but unfortunately not for free. You can still use the web interface though.


Re: NVDA remote access and usage

 

hello nvda remote user guide from
nvdaremote.com
website.

NVDA Remote Access
Version 2.2
Welcome to the NVDA Remote Access addon, which will allow you to
connect to another computer running the free NVDA screen reader. It
makes no difference whether you are across the room or across the
world. Connecting is simple, and there are very few commands to
remember. You can connect to another person's computer, or allow a
trusted person to connect to your system to perform routine
maintenance, diagnose a problem, or provide training.
Before You Begin
You will need to have installed NVDA on both computers, and obtain the
NVDA Remote Access addon. The installation of both NVDA and the Remote
Access addon are standard. If you need more information, this can be
found in NVDA's User Guide.
Updating
When updating the addon, if you have installed NVDA Remote on the
secure desktop, it is recommended that you also update the copy on the
secure desktop. To do this, first update your existing addon. Then
open the NVDA menu, preferences, General settings, and press the
button labeled "Use currently saved settings on the logon and other
secure screens (requires administrator privileges)".
Starting a remote session through a relay server
On the computer to be controlled
1. Open the NVDA menu, Tools, Remote, Connect.
2. Choose client in the first radio button.
3. Select Allow this machine to be controlled in the second set of
radio buttons.
4. In the host field, enter the host of the server you are connecting
to, for example nvdaremote.com. When the particular server uses an
alternative port, you can enter the host in the form <host>:<port>,
for example nvdaremote.com:1234.
5. Enter a key into the key field, or press the generate key button.
The key is what others will use to control your computer. The machine
being controlled and all its clients need to use the same key.
6. Press ok. Once done, you will hear a tone and connected.
On the machine that is to be the controlling computer
1. Open the NVDA menu, Tools, Remote, Connect.
2. Choose client in the first radio button.
3. Select Control another machine in the second set of radio buttons.
4. In the host field, enter the host of the server you are connecting
to, for example nvdaremote.com. When the particular server uses an
alternative port, you can enter the host in the form <host>:<port>,
for example nvdaremote.com:1234.
5. Enter a key into the key field, or press the generate key button.
The machine being controlled and all its clients need to use the same
key.
6. Press ok. Once done, you will hear a tone and connected.
Direct connections
The server option in the connect dialog allows you to set up a direct
connection. Once selecting this, select which mode your end of the
connection wwill be in. The other pperson will connect to you using
the opposite.
Once the mode is selected, you can use the Get External IP button to
get your external IP address and make sure the port which is entered
in the port field is forwarded correctly. If portcheck detects that
your port (6837 by default) is not reachable, a warning will appear.
Forward your port and try again. Note: The process for forwarding
ports is outside of the scope of this document. Please consult the
information provided with your router for further instruction.
Enter a key into the key field, or press generate. The other person
will need your external IP along with the key to connect. If you
entered a port other than the default (6837) in the port field, make
sure that the other person appends the alternative port to the host
address in the form <external ip>:<port>.
Once ok is pressed, you will be connected. When the other person
connects, you can use NVDA Remote normally.
Controlling the remote machine
Once the session is connected, the user of the controlling machine can
press f11 to start controlling the remote machine (e.g. by sending
keyboard keys or braille input). When NVDA says controlling remote
machine, the keyboard and braille display keys you press will go to
the remote machine. Furthermore, when the controlling machine is using
a braille display, information from the remote machine will be
displayed on it. Press f11 again to stop sending keys and switch back
to the controlling machine. For best compatibility, please ensure that
the keyboard layouts on both machines match.
Sharing your session
To share a link so someone else can easily join your NVDA REMOTE
session, select Copy Link from the Remote menu. IF you are connected
as the controlling computer, this link will allow someone else to
connect and be controlled. If instead you have set up your computer to
be controlled, the link will allow people who you share it with to
control your machine. Many applications will allow users to activate
this link automatically, but if it does not run from within a specific
app, it can be coppied to the clipboard and run from the run dialog.
Send Ctrl+Alt+Del
While sending keys, it is not possible to send the CTRL+Alt+del
combination normally. If you need to send CTRL+Alt+del, and the remote
system is on the secure desktop, use this command.
Remotely Controlling an Unattended Computer
Sometimes, you may wish to control one of your own computers remotely.
This is especially helpful if you are traveling, and you wish to
control your home PC from your laptop. Or, you may want to control a
computer in one room of your house while sitting outside with another
PC. A little advanced preparation makes this convenient and possible.
1. Enter the NVDA menu, and choose Tools, then Remote. Finally, press
Enter on Options.
2. Check the box that says, "Auto connect to control server on startup".
3. Select whether to use a remote relay server or to locally host the
connection.
4. Select Allow this machine to be controlled in the second set of
radio buttons.
5. If you host the connection yourself, you will need to ensure that
the port entered in the port field (6837 by default) on the controlled
machine can be accessed from the controlling machines.
6. If you wish to use a relay server, Fill in both the Host and Key
fields, tab to OK, and press Enter. The Generate Key option is not
available in this situation. It is best to come up with a key you will
remember so you can easily use it from any remote location.
For advanced use, you can also configure NVDA Remote to automatically
connect to a local or remote relay server in controlling mode. If you
want this, select Control another machine in the second set of radio
buttons.
Note: The autoconnect at startup-related options in the options dialog
do not apply until NVDA is restarted.
Muting Speech on the Remote Computer
If you do not wish to hear the remote computer's speech or NVDA
specific sounds, simply access the NVDA menu, Tools, and Remote. Arrow
down to Mute Remote, and press Enter. Please note that this option
will not disable remote braille output to the controlling display when
the controlling machine is sending keys.
Ending a remote Session
To end a remote session, do the following:
1.
On the controlling computer, press F11 to stop controlling the remote
machine. You should hear or read the message: "Controlling local
machine." If you instead hear or read a message that you are
controlling the remote machine, press F11 once more.
2.
Access the NVDA menu, then Tools, Remote, and press Enter on Disconnect.
Push clipboard
The Push clipboard option in the remote menu allows you to push text
from your clipboard. when activated, any text on the clipboard will be
pushed to the other machines.
Configuring NVDA Remote to Work on a Secure Desktop
In order for NVDA Remote to work on the secure desktop, the addon must
be installed in the NVDA running on the secure desktop.
1.
From the NVDA menu, select Preferences, then General Settings.
2.
Tab to the Use Currently Saved Settings on the Logon and Other Secure
Screens (requires administrator privileges) button, and press Enter.
3.
Answer Yes to the prompts regarding copying your settings and about
copying plugins, and respond to the User Account Control prompt that
may appear.
4. When settings are copied, press Enter to dismiss the OK button. Tab
to OK and Enter once more to exit the dialog.
Once NVDA Remote is installed on the secure desktop, if you are
currently being controlled in a remote session, you will have speech
and braille access to the secure desktop when switched to.

On 8/12/20, Don Risavy, Jr. <donaldrisavy@gmail.com> wrote:
Hello,

Was wondering if there was a easier method for using the remote plug in for
NVDA as what saw and or tried to use was extremely aggravating, challenging
and frustrating trying to figure out how to use the plug in for accessing
other computers that are using and have nvda installed.

Thanks.

Don








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were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
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NVDA remote access and usage

Don Risavy, Jr.
 

Hello,

Was wondering if there was a easier method for using the remote plug in for NVDA as what saw and or tried to use was extremely aggravating, challenging and frustrating trying to figure out how to use the plug in for accessing other computers that are using and have nvda installed.

Thanks.

Don

 

 


Re: issues with quick nav of thunderbird and NVDA

Don H
 

The quick key nav is the only addon I have installed.  Quick Key Nav is very unreliable.

On 8/12/2020 7:50 AM, Dan Beaver wrote:

I started having the problem where quick nav wasn't working at all.  I took a look around and discovered that there had been an extension installed called Lightning.  I looked into it and decided I didn't want it.  I removed it and now my quick nav extension is working perfectly.


You might want to see if you have this extension installed and ifg you do remove it.  I bet your quick nav will start working again.  You could just disable it to test this first before removing it.


Dan Beaver

-- 
Dan Beaver (KA4DAN)


Re: Protonmail

Marco Oros
 

Hello.

Thanks for Your answers, but It means, that I must pay for Bridge, or what?

I don't know, where to contact Protonmail, because It is also very used, as gmail by this, which I have read on internet.

But, how to explain good my problems? Maybe there isn't any person, who is blind in the Protonmail team.


Re: some questions related to NVDA

abdul muhamin
 

I’m using the latest version of windows 10 app essentials

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Ralf Kefferpuetz
Sent: Saturday, August 8, 2020 3:41 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] some questions related to NVDA

 

Hello,

 

Make sure you have Windows 10 App Essentials installed. You can get it here: https://addons.nvda-project.org/files/get.php?file=w10

 

Cheers,

  Ralf

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of abdul muhamin
Sent: Samstag, 8. August 2020 11:12
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Integration <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: [nvda] some questions related to NVDA

 

Hi everyone, after updating to latest version, all of the windows 10 apps including mail is a bit laggy, why is that? is there a temporary fix for that? And what about the NVDA’s OCR feature? Have you planned to make it more enhance? I’m asking because today I experience difficulty while extracting the text from some pictures, the OCR is not much helpful as jaws, I love the NVDA screen reader as its so  much smaller and portable, and the last thing, what about the graphics/buttons labeler in NVDA? As far as I know, this is the most awaited and requested feature, because there are plenty of screen readers for windows and mobile phones which contains this feature since long, then why NVDA doesn’t have this feature yet? thanks

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

 


Re: issues with quick nav of thunderbird and NVDA

Dan Beaver
 

I started having the problem where quick nav wasn't working at all.  I took a look around and discovered that there had been an extension installed called Lightning.  I looked into it and decided I didn't want it.  I removed it and now my quick nav extension is working perfectly.


You might want to see if you have this extension installed and ifg you do remove it.  I bet your quick nav will start working again.  You could just disable it to test this first before removing it.


Dan Beaver

-- 
Dan Beaver (KA4DAN)


Re: NVDA says cannot verify my Vocalizer License

Socheat Muth
 

Hi Rui,

Thanks. I have sent you a private mail. The problem that you don't see the activation asociated with my license for now is, when I got that message, I have deactivated the license from the computer to prevent any issues to the license. That's why you don't see the activation record on my license.

Thanks.

On 8/12/2020 3:21 AM, Rui Fontes wrote:
Hello!


Please, send us, in private to tiflotecnia@tiflotecnia.com, a NVDA log file...

Something is not right, since we do not have any record that you have activated the license after installing Windows...

The last record is the deactivation...


Best regards,


Customer support

Tiflotecnia, Lda.


Às 23:43 de 12/08/2020, Socheat Muth escreveu:
Yes, I did deactivate my license before I reinstall Windows. Don't know why it did this, as I never had the issue before. And I am the only one who currently using the license. And only one computer being activated though.

On 8/12/2020 1:29 AM, Shaun Everiss wrote:
Could be a system outage, did you deactivate before you reset the system.

You may have to ask code factory or atguys or whoever you got things from for a licence reset.

I have never had this, there are wwarnings to make sure you deactivate or you will lose your licence seat and may have to rebuy the product again, they warn you several times,  never the less you can still ask, as long as you had a legitimate issue they may just reset it for you.



On 13/08/2020 9:52 am, Socheat Muth wrote:
Hi all,


I just wiped out my PC, and installed a fresh copy of Windows. WHen I activate vocalizer on the machine, I got the following message.


Your license can not be verified. Please check the following:
1. Your credentials (email and password) are correct (you can change them under the vocalizer
expressive menu)
2. You are not using someone else's activation or you are not using the same activation in
different computers at the same time. This is not legal, and is against license terms.
3. You are having internet problems.
For further clarification, please contact tiflotecnia, Lda, or your local dealer.

OK


Could anyone tell me what exactly is the problem? I can use it just fine. But the message keep showing whenever I restart NVDA or restart my computer.


Thanks.






Re: problem with search edit box in folders

seb naudet
 

Hello Joseph,

yes it says searchui is loaded andsearchapp.exe is running.

is it a problem with NVDA or something i have to modify in windows?

thank you

Le 12/08/2020 à 00:44, Joseph Lee a écrit :
Hi,
I think I know why this is happening. But just to verify, from File Explorer, press Control+E to focus to search field. Wait about ten seconds then press Control+NVDA+F1. If it says "searchui" or "searchapp", then yes, this is Windows Search interface, not File Explorer. I look forward to a day when I can sleep better at nights knowing that folks don't have to install Windows 10 App Essentials add-on to use many features.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2020 3:34 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] problem with search edit box in folders

Very strange.
I can't really comment on the window not refreshing (I'm guessing visually the info is there but NVDA doesn't "see it" til you return to the window) But to me there doesn't seem a huge difference between pressing enter and down arrow.
Unfortunately I can't totally recall how things seemed to work before, but I seem to recall search populating as I was typing into the box.
So for example in my "films" folder I could start typing "holocaust" into the search box and after a few letters "cannibal holocaust" would be there, etc.



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of seb naudet
Sent: August 11, 2020 4:35 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] problem with search edit box in folders

yes i have to refresh the window with alt tab.

if i don't, folder list is not filtered, and sometimes i'm stuck in anempty window.

in previous windows version i only had to down arrow to display search results.

like in start menu.



Le 11/08/2020 à 21:57, JM Casey a écrit :

I've had to press enter for a while now. Not sure when it started but maybe an update or so ago for me (and I'm still on 1909). But alt-tab? That is strange. You mean there is a separate window coming up? Or are results not showing up until you return to your initial file explorer window..maybe not being recognised by nVDA?



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of seb
naudet
Sent: August 11, 2020 6:27 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] problem with search edit box in folders

Hello list,

i've recently updated my windows 10 pro (64-bit) Version 2004
(10.0.19041)

and last NVDA available.

when i search for a file in a folder i now have to press enter after typing the name, and alt tab to see the result of my search.

quite complicate compared with previous version of windows.

any idea to simplify access to search results?


thank you










.






.


Re: NVDA says cannot verify my Vocalizer License

Rui Fontes
 

Hello!


Please, send us, in private to tiflotecnia@tiflotecnia.com, a NVDA log file...

Something is not right, since we do not have any record that you have activated the license after installing Windows...

The last record is the deactivation...


Best regards,


Customer support

Tiflotecnia, Lda.


Às 23:43 de 12/08/2020, Socheat Muth escreveu:

Yes, I did deactivate my license before I reinstall Windows. Don't know why it did this, as I never had the issue before. And I am the only one who currently using the license. And only one computer being activated though.

On 8/12/2020 1:29 AM, Shaun Everiss wrote:
Could be a system outage, did you deactivate before you reset the system.

You may have to ask code factory or atguys or whoever you got things from for a licence reset.

I have never had this, there are wwarnings to make sure you deactivate or you will lose your licence seat and may have to rebuy the product again, they warn you several times,  never the less you can still ask, as long as you had a legitimate issue they may just reset it for you.



On 13/08/2020 9:52 am, Socheat Muth wrote:
Hi all,


I just wiped out my PC, and installed a fresh copy of Windows. WHen I activate vocalizer on the machine, I got the following message.


Your license can not be verified. Please check the following:
1. Your credentials (email and password) are correct (you can change them under the vocalizer
expressive menu)
2. You are not using someone else's activation or you are not using the same activation in
different computers at the same time. This is not legal, and is against license terms.
3. You are having internet problems.
For further clarification, please contact tiflotecnia, Lda, or your local dealer.

OK


Could anyone tell me what exactly is the problem? I can use it just fine. But the message keep showing whenever I restart NVDA or restart my computer.


Thanks.





Re: NVDA says cannot verify my Vocalizer License

Socheat Muth
 

Yes, I did deactivate my license before I reinstall Windows. Don't know why it did this, as I never had the issue before. And I am the only one who currently using the license. And only one computer being activated though.

On 8/12/2020 1:29 AM, Shaun Everiss wrote:
Could be a system outage, did you deactivate before you reset the system.

You may have to ask code factory or atguys or whoever you got things from for a licence reset.

I have never had this, there are wwarnings to make sure you deactivate or you will lose your licence seat and may have to rebuy the product again, they warn you several times,  never the less you can still ask, as long as you had a legitimate issue they may just reset it for you.



On 13/08/2020 9:52 am, Socheat Muth wrote:
Hi all,


I just wiped out my PC, and installed a fresh copy of Windows. WHen I activate vocalizer on the machine, I got the following message.


Your license can not be verified. Please check the following:
1. Your credentials (email and password) are correct (you can change them under the vocalizer
expressive menu)
2. You are not using someone else's activation or you are not using the same activation in
different computers at the same time. This is not legal, and is against license terms.
3. You are having internet problems.
For further clarification, please contact tiflotecnia, Lda, or your local dealer.

OK


Could anyone tell me what exactly is the problem? I can use it just fine. But the message keep showing whenever I restart NVDA or restart my computer.


Thanks.




Re: NVDA says cannot verify my Vocalizer License

 

Could be a system outage, did you deactivate before you reset the system.

You may have to ask code factory or atguys or whoever you got things from for a licence reset.

I have never had this, there are wwarnings to make sure you deactivate or you will lose your licence seat and may have to rebuy the product again, they warn you several times,  never the less you can still ask, as long as you had a legitimate issue they may just reset it for you.

On 13/08/2020 9:52 am, Socheat Muth wrote:
Hi all,


I just wiped out my PC, and installed a fresh copy of Windows. WHen I activate vocalizer on the machine, I got the following message.


Your license can not be verified. Please check the following:
1. Your credentials (email and password) are correct (you can change them under the vocalizer
expressive menu)
2. You are not using someone else's activation or you are not using the same activation in
different computers at the same time. This is not legal, and is against license terms.
3. You are having internet problems.
For further clarification, please contact tiflotecnia, Lda, or your local dealer.

OK


Could anyone tell me what exactly is the problem? I can use it just fine. But the message keep showing whenever I restart NVDA or restart my computer.


Thanks.



NVDA says cannot verify my Vocalizer License

Socheat Muth
 

Hi all,


I just wiped out my PC, and installed a fresh copy of Windows. WHen I activate vocalizer on the machine, I got the following message.


Your license can not be verified. Please check the following:
1. Your credentials (email and password) are correct (you can change them under the vocalizer
expressive menu)
2. You are not using someone else's activation or you are not using the same activation in
different computers at the same time. This is not legal, and is against license terms.
3. You are having internet problems.
For further clarification, please contact tiflotecnia, Lda, or your local dealer.

OK


Could anyone tell me what exactly is the problem? I can use it just fine. But the message keep showing whenever I restart NVDA or restart my computer.


Thanks.


Re: can nvda read shared screen in Zoom?

Ralf Kefferpuetz
 

I do hat all the time, make sure your focus is on the shared content %(use F6 until your hear "Zoom meeting") then use NVDA-r, the NVDA OCR recognition to read the shared content.

Regards,
Ralf

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Aschalew Byness
Sent: Mittwoch, 12. August 2020 01:56
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] can nvda read shared screen in Zoom?

Hi All?
I want to read the slydes shared by a host in a Zoom meeting. Can NVDA read the shared screen by the zoom host to me? if yes, How?


Re: Protonmail

Jesse Farquharson
 

Right right, Luke. Basically what I meant was you don't have to do anything significant with it beyond the initial setup. :-)


Re: Protonmail

Luke Davis
 

On Tue, 11 Aug 2020, Jesse Farquharson wrote:

The bridge is usable, and you will only have to use it once. After that, you shouldn't have to open it again. It just allows your preferred client to access
your ProtonMail account.
A slight correction here. You have to configure it once. But you have to run it in the background all the time, or have it start automatically.

It is running a local IMAP and SMTP server on your machine, which then encrypts and delivers into and out of the ProtonMail network.

So you do need to have the bridge running any time you want to be able to access Proton from within Thunderbird or Outlook or whatever.
But fortunately after that initial config, all you should have to do (from my few hours of playing with it) is start and minimize it.

Luke


Re: Protonmail

Luke Davis
 

Shaun, from your comments, it seems evident that you have no idea what ProtonMail is.

ProtonMail is not just encrypted to and from their network. It's encrypted within their network, so not even they can access your mail. In the past, gmail has freely admitted that they accessed your mail, and used it for advertising purposes.
Proton is not subject to U.S. laws; it operates under Swiss privacy law, and the GDPR.
Gmail does not.

Proton does not keep logs of accesses, and does not require your name in order to sign up.

And the bridge is necessary only if you want to access Proton mail in your own mail apps; you can not without it, because they do not offer IMAP or SMTP service directly, only through the bridge.

Without the bridge, you can only access it through the website, or the mobile apps.

I hope this clarifies.

Luke

On Wed, 12 Aug 2020, Shaun Everiss wrote:

Hmmm sounds like the bridge is a disgusting mess and not worth my time.
I wander if you could run without it in the first place.
I wander if the devs of this actually would help fixing their mess.
Then again, why should I use proton mail when gmail is actually more
accessible, in fact a lot of programs now at least newer ones support
the new security protocol google uses which makes them recognised as
secured apps.


Re: Protonmail

Jesse Farquharson
 

Primarily, Shaun, because Google couldn't give a **** about you, your privacy, or your data. As long as they make money off of you, they're happy.

The advantage of ProtonMail is that you can actually encrypt your e-mails, so that unless someone has physical access to the device you are logged in on, or the device your recipient is receiving from, no one can intercept your message.

The bridge is usable, and you will only have to use it once. After that, you shouldn't have to open it again. It just allows your preferred client to access your ProtonMail account.

I will go on the record here stating that the interface on the web is fully accessible. The iOS app has certain... quirks, but can still be used once you know what you're dealing with.

From what I've seen, Proton Support is very responsive. We just have to figure out how to communicate with them the right way.


Re: Protonmail

 

Hmmm sounds like the bridge is a disgusting mess and not worth my time.
I wander if you could run without it in the first place.
I wander if the devs of this actually would help fixing their mess.
Then again, why should I use proton mail when gmail is actually more
accessible, in fact a lot of programs now at least newer ones support
the new security protocol google uses which makes them recognised as
secured apps.

On 12/08/2020, Jesse Farquharson <jesse100rules@gmail.com> wrote:
Hey Luke,

I will not be trying this now, as there's very little point. This computer
is gonna be saying byebye in a very short while anyway, as I'm getting a new
one this weekend or so. I will try it then... if I remember.



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