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nvda donations and costs

Rusty Perez
 

Hey folks, I'm curious to know if there is a publicly available
accounting of costs and donations to NV Access or NVDA.

Sometimes it inspires giving when people know how much money is needed
to reach a goal.

Any thoughts?

Thanks!
Rusty


Re: testing 1 2 1 2

Gene
 

We were both partly right.  I had forgotten some of the message.  He says that he had started a couple of new threads but he hadn't seen them.  But he then says, the issue merely is can I see this and he asked people not to respond.  He wanted to see if he saw this specific message, another new thread.  So your inference  made some sense.  You didn't have to apologize in either case.  If people just send test messages and don't ask for responses, I don't respond.  I assume that if someone wants a response, they will ask.  and particularly if someone asks people not to respond, I assume they mean what they say. 
 
Gene 

----- Original Message -----
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2017 4:49 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] testing 1 2 1 2

Oh, I thought his comment that he has seen replies to existing threads to mean
that he was still receiving mail from the list, and the fact that he had not
seen the new threads he had created as suggesting he suspected a problem with
them reaching the list, so my interpretation was the other way round from
yours.

Sorry for the inappropriate posting.


Antony.

On Thursday 14 December 2017 at 23:21:54, Gene wrote:

> It would create clutter for no advantage.  I'm not Brian but if he wanted a
> response from others, he would ask.  He is testing his receipt of mail,
> not whether his messages are reaching the list.
>
> Gene
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: Antony Stone
> Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2017 4:09 PM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] testing 1 2 1 2
>
>
> Apologies for replying to something you particularly asked us not to, but I
> just wonder whether it might be useful for you (maybe if this recurs in
> future?) to post the subject lines of the new threads you created, so we
> can respond if we have seen them (but you haven't, for some reason),
> possibly adding a bit more information to whatever is going on.
>
>
> Antony.
>
> On Thursday 14 December 2017 at 18:59:45, Brian's Mail list account via>
> Groups.Io wrote:
> > I've created a couple of new threads just now but neither has shown up
> > yet while replies to existing ones have.
> > So please do not respond to this. the issue merely is can I see this
> > message. Brian

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Re: Notification sounds add-on for firefox - certain versions

Jacob Kruger
 

Waterfox currently offers a slightly cleaner interface than the latest versions of firefox, with less of the accessibility lag.


But, yes, not too much more than that, and, while chrome is actually my default browser, as a web developer, parts of the firefox interaction, like source code/markup viewing, etc. work slightly better for me, and, waterfox is currently my test browser when working with my own code/content.


Just an alternative - I work with chrome, firefox, waterfox, internet explorer 11 and opera, depending on what am specifically busy with in terms of web browsing/content.


Stay well


Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile, but, acceptance is versatile..."

On 2017/12/14 19:21, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
Yes its assigned in windows 7, which is I suppose why I hear it when navigational sounds is in firefox or waterfox for that matter. What exactly is the point of Waterfox?
Is it substantially different?
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Jacob Kruger" <jacob@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2017 11:04 AM
Subject: [nvda] Notification sounds add-on for firefox - certain versions


Found the following add-on for firefox that, while it says it's incompatible with firefox 57, did allow me to install it under the alternative browser that uses firefox underneath it's own interface, waterfox, and, I could then, via it's options, click on a link to bring up the windows 10 system sounds dialogue, and, after a bit of searching, from the lower end upwards, I found an event called complete navigation, which, when I then assigned a sound to it, since it hadn't had one assigned, does now trigger that sound's playback once a page has finished loading in waterfox.


Either way, while not most important thing in world on my side, thought would share it here on this list in any case:

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/navigational-sounds/


Stay well

Jacob Kruger
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Skype: BlindZA
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Re: testing 1 2 1 2

Antony Stone
 

Oh, I thought his comment that he has seen replies to existing threads to mean
that he was still receiving mail from the list, and the fact that he had not
seen the new threads he had created as suggesting he suspected a problem with
them reaching the list, so my interpretation was the other way round from
yours.

Sorry for the inappropriate posting.


Antony.

On Thursday 14 December 2017 at 23:21:54, Gene wrote:

It would create clutter for no advantage. I'm not Brian but if he wanted a
response from others, he would ask. He is testing his receipt of mail,
not whether his messages are reaching the list.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Antony Stone
Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2017 4:09 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] testing 1 2 1 2


Apologies for replying to something you particularly asked us not to, but I
just wonder whether it might be useful for you (maybe if this recurs in
future?) to post the subject lines of the new threads you created, so we
can respond if we have seen them (but you haven't, for some reason),
possibly adding a bit more information to whatever is going on.


Antony.

On Thursday 14 December 2017 at 18:59:45, Brian's Mail list account via>
Groups.Io wrote:
I've created a couple of new threads just now but neither has shown up
yet while replies to existing ones have.
So please do not respond to this. the issue merely is can I see this
message. Brian
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Re: In-Process 13th December 2017

Robert Mendoza
 

Hi, Quentin

Yes, please do let us know your findings for this so that this has been others will be inform as well. Looking forward to your respond. Thanks.


Robert Mendoza
On 12/14/2017 1:42 PM, Quentin Christensen wrote:

Hi Robert,

I just checked that myself and you are right, it does say 1.49.1 dev. I'll find out for you what's going on there.

Quentin.

On Thu, Dec 14, 2017 at 1:40 PM, Robert Mendoza <lowvisiontek@...> wrote:

Hi, Quentin


Out of curiosity and to compare the version of the eSpeak ng I install new fresh stable nvda 2017.4 without any addons to my machine.

After viewing the log file here is the details I've got.

Using eSpeak NG version 1.49.1 dev
INFO - speechDictHandler.dictFormatUpgrade._doSynthVoiceDictBackupAndMove (10:20:34.279):
Upgrading voice dictionaries for espeak
INFO - synthDriverHandler.setSynth (10:20:34.436):
Loaded synthDriver espeak

Not sure if this is the same you've mentioned that eSpeak ng is updated to 1.49.2?

Or, perhaps to correct me about my analysis. Thanks.


Robert Mendoza
On 12/14/2017 8:28 AM, Robert Mendoza wrote:

Hi, Quentin

qNot sure if I missed out or something mixed up here but, I downloded the master snapshot into this link.
https://www.nvaccess.org/files/nvda/snapshots/
If I look into the log file still the eSpeak ng version is
Using eSpeak NG version 1.49.1 dev
I am currently testing the said version below:
NVDA version master-14715,94bc05be
I appreciate if you could further shed some information for this matter, or perhaps to clarify this in your diligent respond in later message. Thanks

Robert Mendoza
On 12/14/2017 7:46 AM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
Hi Robert,

The short answer is yes, Master since I think September has also used the newer build of eSpeak NG.  Looking at the what's new, it reads:

"Espeak-ng has been updated to 1.49.2, resolving some issues with producing release builds. (#7385#7583)"

Those two numbers at the end indicate the pull requests to make that update, which are dated September 11 and November 1.

In one of the comments, Reef also noted: "Locking the comments on this PR, since this is expected to be a long running PR. The goal is to regularly integrate the newest espeak-ng changes into the next branch. When espeak-ng reaches the next release, merge to master. This allows espeak-ng to be tested more regularly by users of next.

If you encounter a problem with espeak-ng or this PR, please raise a separate issue."


The number of comments we've had since releasing 2017.4 and the last couple of RC builds indicates that Reef was right and we do ideally need more people checking snapshot builds for these issues earlier.


If you are seeing different behaviour from eSpeak from 2017.4 to the Master builds, do let me know though.


Kind regards


Quentin.



On Wed, Dec 13, 2017 at 3:21 PM, Robert Mendoza <lowvisiontek@...> wrote:

Hi, Quentin

Thanks for the update. But, one thing I noticed from the blogsite it was mentioned that eSpeak ng is update to 1.49.2. My question is that this also been for the master snapshot as well or this is specifically for the stable version 2017.4?

Robert Mendoza
On 12/13/2017 10:57 AM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
Hi everyone,

Well it's that time of year, the last In-Process blog for the year!  Here it is:


Thanks for being so supportive and enthusiastic of the blog this year.  It's been fun and I look forward to bringing it to you again regularly in 2018!

Quentin.

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Re: nvda volume

Quentin Christensen
 

Hi Chris,

Very good point!  I didn't mean to make it confusing; in fact, I was trying to make what was a complicated answer a bit simpler.  Depending on your setup, the exact key to adjust the current synth setting could be any of:
INSERT+CONTROL+UP ARROW
CAPS LOCK+CONTROL+UP ARROW
INSERT+SHIFT+CONTROL+UP ARROW
CAPS LOCK+SHIFT+CONTROL+UP ARROW

and that's after you ensure you are in the right setting to begin with!

Quentin.

On Fri, Dec 15, 2017 at 7:55 AM, Chris Mullins <cjmullins29@...> wrote:

Hi

Can I just clarify a point relating to details I have seen in several different posts, the latest being this one.  The first part of the statement below, extracted from this post,  is very mis-leading particularly to people new to NVDA.    

 

“Note that you can set the NVDA modifier key to either insert or caps lock, independently of whether NVDA uses desktop or laptop keyboard layout.”

 

My point is that it is not a choice between Capslock and Insert being defined as NVDA modifier keys.  Capslock, Numpad Insert  and Extended Insert can all be set                                       as modifier keys for NVDA.  Personally, I set Capslock and Numpad Insert  as NVDA modifiers, as having a modifier key either side of the keyboard causes less disruption to the hand position when typing NVDA commands.     

 

Cheers

Chris

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: 13 December 2017 23:39
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda volume

 

As Robert mentioned, you can use what we call the "Synth settings ring".  To clarify the keystrokes for this, as they vary depending on your setup.

 

Firstly, your NVDA modifier key will be either INSERT or CAPS LOCK.  Also, if you have NVDA set to use Laptop keyboard layout, add SHIFT to these keystrokes:

 

Change between adjusting speech rate / volume / voice / pitch etc (the exact options vary between synths): Press NVDA+control+left or right arrow

Increase current setting: NVDA+control+up arrow

Decrease current setting: NVDA+control+down arrow

 

So, if you are using the default INSERT key as the NVDA modifier and desktop keyboard layout.  To change options is insert+control+right arrow or Insert+control+left arrow.

 

If you are using caps lock as your NVDA modifier key and using Laptop keyboard layout, then change options with caps lock+control+shift+right arrow

 

Note that you can set the NVDA modifier key to either insert or caps lock, independently of whether NVDA uses desktop or laptop keyboard layout.

 

See the User Guide for more information on the synth settings ring: https://www.nvaccess.org/files/nvda/documentation/userGuide.html#SynthSettingsRing

 

Kind regards

 

Quentin.

 

On Wed, Dec 13, 2017 at 6:08 PM, Robert Mendoza <lowvisiontek@...> wrote:

To setup your synth setting for volume, pressing control plus caps lock plus right arrow keys. till you heard of Volume. And to increase press up arrow keys, or down arrow key to decrease the volume you desire.

Robert Mendoza

On 12/13/2017 3:00 PM, Monte Single wrote:

Hi,

 

What is the key combo to increase or decrease volume   without using the nvda menu?

Thanks,

Monte

 



 

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Re: In-Process 13th December 2017

Quentin Christensen
 

Scott (and everyone),

Thank you so much for your support, we really appreciate it!  I also wanted to add, I know we ask for donations when you download or update NVDA, but please don't feel obliged if it is a struggle.  Of course, we really appreciate contributions from those who can afford it, but our mission has always been to ensure that there is a free, high-quality screen reader available to all, especially at this time of year when money is often tight even for those on an income!

Kind regards

Quentin. 

On Fri, Dec 15, 2017 at 7:42 AM, Scott VanDeWalle <scottvandewalle2@...> wrote:

I’d like to add my 2 cents here to nvda.

I’m in the u.s and on a limited income, so I could never afford jaws or window eyes.  I appreciate this screen reader nvda and I do donate whenever I can do so.

Have a Merry Christmas

 

Scott

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of Gerardo Corripio <gera1027@...>
Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2017 5:37:06 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] In-Process 13th December 2017
 

Indeed! Thanks for all you guys do at NVAccess! You're definitely changing lives thorughout Mexico and Latin America, in having a viable alternative than the regularly-used Jaws, especially because of Jaws being so expensive, thus with NVDA you're reopening doors for so many blind people who otherwise wouldn't have been able to use computers. Also over at Ciberaprendiendo (the Blindness tech podcast over at www.eiberoamerica.com) I'm doing my promoting of NVDA via podcasts episodes dedicated to it, hoping that even more resistant users of the Shark, might take the plunge and switch. And lastly, my promoting NVDA has brought me to create a Whatsapp Spanish group "NVDA Access para Todos" in which we're already about 40 or 50 participants throughout Latin America, in which we discuss NVDA experiences, answer questions etc. So it's all of us's job to in our countries and/or areas, continue spreading by example, all that NVDA has to offer in our path towards integration with the sighted computer users. Graet work! and may 2018 bring inspiration for you guys in implementing features, and for us in suggestions, and mainly to continue spreading the benefits of NVDA.


El 12/12/2017 a las 09:09 p.m., Rosemarie Chavarria escribió:

Hi, Quentin,

 

I'd like to thank you and everyone at NV Access for everything you've done to make NVDA the great screen reader that it is today. I've really enjoyed reading the blogs for this year and look forward to reading them again in 2018.

 

Rosemarie

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2017 6:57 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] In-Process 13th December 2017

 

Hi everyone,

 

Well it's that time of year, the last In-Process blog for the year!  Here it is:

 

 

Thanks for being so supportive and enthusiastic of the blog this year.  It's been fun and I look forward to bringing it to you again regularly in 2018!

 

Quentin.

 

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Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

 

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Re: testing 1 2 1 2

Gene
 

It would create clutter for no advantage.  I'm not Brian but if he wanted a response from others, he would ask.  He is testing his receipt of mail, not whether his messages are reaching the list.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2017 4:09 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] testing 1 2 1 2

Apologies for replying to something you particularly asked us not to, but I
just wonder whether it might be useful for you (maybe if this recurs in
future?) to post the subject lines of the new threads you created, so we can
respond if we have seen them (but you haven't, for some reason), possibly
adding a bit more information to whatever is going on.


Antony.

On Thursday 14 December 2017 at 18:59:45, Brian's Mail list account via
Groups.Io wrote:

> I've created a couple of new threads just now but neither has shown up yet
> while replies to existing ones have.
> So please do not respond to this. the issue merely is can I see this
> message. Brian

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Re: testing 1 2 1 2

Antony Stone
 

Apologies for replying to something you particularly asked us not to, but I
just wonder whether it might be useful for you (maybe if this recurs in
future?) to post the subject lines of the new threads you created, so we can
respond if we have seen them (but you haven't, for some reason), possibly
adding a bit more information to whatever is going on.


Antony.

On Thursday 14 December 2017 at 18:59:45, Brian's Mail list account via
Groups.Io wrote:

I've created a couple of new threads just now but neither has shown up yet
while replies to existing ones have.
So please do not respond to this. the issue merely is can I see this
message. Brian
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Re: nvda volume

Gene
 

And if you set the caps lock to be an NVDA key, no other changes will be made to which keys are NVDA keys.  You can make that change and you will then have both inserts and caps lock set as modifiers.  Both inserts are NVDA keys by default.

Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2017 2:55 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda volume

Hi

Can I just clarify a point relating to details I have seen in several different posts, the latest being this one.  The first part of the statement below, extracted from this post,  is very mis-leading particularly to people new to NVDA.    

 

“Note that you can set the NVDA modifier key to either insert or caps lock, independently of whether NVDA uses desktop or laptop keyboard layout.”

 

My point is that it is not a choice between Capslock and Insert being defined as NVDA modifier keys.  Capslock, Numpad Insert  and Extended Insert can all be set                                       as modifier keys for NVDA.  Personally, I set Capslock and Numpad Insert  as NVDA modifiers, as having a modifier key either side of the keyboard causes less disruption to the hand position when typing NVDA commands.     

 

Cheers

Chris

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: 13 December 2017 23:39
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda volume

 

As Robert mentioned, you can use what we call the "Synth settings ring".  To clarify the keystrokes for this, as they vary depending on your setup.

 

Firstly, your NVDA modifier key will be either INSERT or CAPS LOCK.  Also, if you have NVDA set to use Laptop keyboard layout, add SHIFT to these keystrokes:

 

Change between adjusting speech rate / volume / voice / pitch etc (the exact options vary between synths): Press NVDA+control+left or right arrow

Increase current setting: NVDA+control+up arrow

Decrease current setting: NVDA+control+down arrow

 

So, if you are using the default INSERT key as the NVDA modifier and desktop keyboard layout.  To change options is insert+control+right arrow or Insert+control+left arrow.

 

If you are using caps lock as your NVDA modifier key and using Laptop keyboard layout, then change options with caps lock+control+shift+right arrow

 

Note that you can set the NVDA modifier key to either insert or caps lock, independently of whether NVDA uses desktop or laptop keyboard layout.

 

See the User Guide for more information on the synth settings ring: https://www.nvaccess.org/files/nvda/documentation/userGuide.html#SynthSettingsRing

 

Kind regards

 

Quentin.

 

On Wed, Dec 13, 2017 at 6:08 PM, Robert Mendoza <lowvisiontek@...> wrote:

To setup your synth setting for volume, pressing control plus caps lock plus right arrow keys. till you heard of Volume. And to increase press up arrow keys, or down arrow key to decrease the volume you desire.

Robert Mendoza

On 12/13/2017 3:00 PM, Monte Single wrote:

Hi,

 

What is the key combo to increase or decrease volume   without using the nvda menu?

Thanks,

Monte

 



 

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Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

 

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Re: remote 2.0 issue

Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...>
 

Hi


I am wondering if it is the synth that he is using? Does it come through if he uses e speak or another synth package.


Is this the first time you have used the remote add on? as one pc with nvda has to be set to let my computer be control while the other is the opposite.


Plus you did connect to each other? you usually get a very loud beep then it is a matter of using the f11 key to jump to the remote machine. usually when i do this i also use the windows key + letter D to get to the desk top and hear it on my side.


The very first option are they both set to client?



On 12/15/2017 6:27 AM, George McCoy wrote:
He is using a DECTalk express serial version with the DECTalk express add-on.  I am using the espeak ng synth that comes with NVDA.
 
From: Gene New Zealand
Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2017 4:01 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] remote 2.0 issue
 

Hi

 

Is he a braille use with a display? I am wondering if he has his speech set to no speech under the synth settings.

 

I am not a braille display user so am wondering if they turn it off instead of hearing speech?

 

maybe a braille display user can tell us.

 

 

Gene nz

 


On 12/14/2017 10:42 AM, John Isige wrote:
Are you running the same synth on both computers? I think it'll try to
deal with it if you're not, but the ideal is to have both copies of NVDA
set to use the same synth.


On 12/13/2017 15:38, George McCoy wrote:
I am trying to control another computer using the remote 2.0
add-on.        I have control of the other computer but I get no
speech on my end.  It acts like it does when the remote computer is
muted but that is not the case.
My computer is running windows 7 home premium.  My friend’s computer
is running windows 7 ultimate.  Both machines are running NVDA 2017.1.
I get the same behavior when I try to control my friend’s computer
with my HP running windows 10 professional and NvDA 2017.3.
I’ve tried everything I can think of.  Does anyone have any suggestions?
Thanks very much,
George






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Re: nvda volume

Chris Mullins
 

Hi

Can I just clarify a point relating to details I have seen in several different posts, the latest being this one.  The first part of the statement below, extracted from this post,  is very mis-leading particularly to people new to NVDA.    

 

“Note that you can set the NVDA modifier key to either insert or caps lock, independently of whether NVDA uses desktop or laptop keyboard layout.”

 

My point is that it is not a choice between Capslock and Insert being defined as NVDA modifier keys.  Capslock, Numpad Insert  and Extended Insert can all be set                                       as modifier keys for NVDA.  Personally, I set Capslock and Numpad Insert  as NVDA modifiers, as having a modifier key either side of the keyboard causes less disruption to the hand position when typing NVDA commands.     

 

Cheers

Chris

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: 13 December 2017 23:39
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda volume

 

As Robert mentioned, you can use what we call the "Synth settings ring".  To clarify the keystrokes for this, as they vary depending on your setup.

 

Firstly, your NVDA modifier key will be either INSERT or CAPS LOCK.  Also, if you have NVDA set to use Laptop keyboard layout, add SHIFT to these keystrokes:

 

Change between adjusting speech rate / volume / voice / pitch etc (the exact options vary between synths): Press NVDA+control+left or right arrow

Increase current setting: NVDA+control+up arrow

Decrease current setting: NVDA+control+down arrow

 

So, if you are using the default INSERT key as the NVDA modifier and desktop keyboard layout.  To change options is insert+control+right arrow or Insert+control+left arrow.

 

If you are using caps lock as your NVDA modifier key and using Laptop keyboard layout, then change options with caps lock+control+shift+right arrow

 

Note that you can set the NVDA modifier key to either insert or caps lock, independently of whether NVDA uses desktop or laptop keyboard layout.

 

See the User Guide for more information on the synth settings ring: https://www.nvaccess.org/files/nvda/documentation/userGuide.html#SynthSettingsRing

 

Kind regards

 

Quentin.

 

On Wed, Dec 13, 2017 at 6:08 PM, Robert Mendoza <lowvisiontek@...> wrote:

To setup your synth setting for volume, pressing control plus caps lock plus right arrow keys. till you heard of Volume. And to increase press up arrow keys, or down arrow key to decrease the volume you desire.

Robert Mendoza

On 12/13/2017 3:00 PM, Monte Single wrote:

Hi,

 

What is the key combo to increase or decrease volume   without using the nvda menu?

Thanks,

Monte

 



 

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Re: An unusual but potentially very useful idea about sounds

Damien Garwood
 

Hi,
I’m sure Gene will correct me if I’m wrong, but my interpretation of Gene’s message is that, although the sounds heard came directly from the computer, NVDA could utilise a similar system whereby sounds could play in the background and fluctuate depending on the activity of the machine. That would be a possibility. However, you are also correct in saying that the radio signals themselves couldn’t be monitored, amplified or indeed even recognised by NVDA, as that’s an audio interference with the hardware rather than an intended sound in its own right.
Cheers.
Damien.
 

From: JM Casey
Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2017 8:37 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] An unusual but potentially very useful idea about sounds
 

Yeah, this is really cool. I think it’s some kind of radio interference. I get a bit of this in my own headphones, and I’d like to get some shielding so it doesn’t happen, mostly because it’s not exactly what I want to hear out of my headphones, but I can still see how it would be useful. Back in the early 90s, I remember using my short-wave radio and tuning in on the frequences my Apple 2 E used. There was no practical reason for this, I just thought the sounds were really cool, and indeed, I could pick out the different sounds for disk access, idling/waiting for keypresses, screen changes, etc.

 

I really have no idea, but I can’t really imagine a programme like nVDA being able to pick up these sounds. I mean wouldn’t you need some kind of receiver?

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: December 14, 2017 5:46 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] An unusual but potentially very useful idea about sounds

 

People who have followed my comments about sounds may believe that I don't see much use in sounds in general.  That isn't the case.  I think many sounds people rely on don't give much useful information or duplicate very easily gotten information already available but here is an idea for sounds that give unavailable information or information that is not conveniently available.

 

Awhile ago, I got a new set of headphones that are unusually efficient.  They are so efficient that I can hear the sounds of the processor working softly.  I was initially going to buy an adapter with a volume control to get rid of the sounds but I found that they were useful.  For example, if I am normalizing a file, the processor makes a certain kind of sound when I'm using the program I normalize with.  I don't have to check to see when normalization is finished nor do I need a specific sound, nonexistent, to tell me.  I just wait for the processor sound to stop.  The same when I'm copying long files.  I don't have to check periodically.  If I'm downloading something, again, my processor makes a certain repetetive sound.  I know when the download has finished by simply not hearing that sound any longer.  The same for uploads.  I can tell when my computer shuts down because the processor sound stops.  I can tell, if I issue the reboot command when the shutdown has ended.  That tells me that the reboot should be starting because a certain sound is heard. 

 

I can tell my computer is rebooting and hasn't gotten stuck because I can hear certain specific sounds during boot up.  Others may find other useful sounds.  Should there be a feature in NVDA or an add on that allows the user to hear such sounds, properly amplified, when desired?  They would be played through the sound card and heard over speakers or headphones, whatever is being used.  the function could be toggled on and off. 

 

Gene


Re: In-Process 13th December 2017

Scott VanDeWalle
 

I’d like to add my 2 cents here to nvda.

I’m in the u.s and on a limited income, so I could never afford jaws or window eyes.  I appreciate this screen reader nvda and I do donate whenever I can do so.

Have a Merry Christmas

 

Scott

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of Gerardo Corripio <gera1027@...>
Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2017 5:37:06 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] In-Process 13th December 2017
 

Indeed! Thanks for all you guys do at NVAccess! You're definitely changing lives thorughout Mexico and Latin America, in having a viable alternative than the regularly-used Jaws, especially because of Jaws being so expensive, thus with NVDA you're reopening doors for so many blind people who otherwise wouldn't have been able to use computers. Also over at Ciberaprendiendo (the Blindness tech podcast over at www.eiberoamerica.com) I'm doing my promoting of NVDA via podcasts episodes dedicated to it, hoping that even more resistant users of the Shark, might take the plunge and switch. And lastly, my promoting NVDA has brought me to create a Whatsapp Spanish group "NVDA Access para Todos" in which we're already about 40 or 50 participants throughout Latin America, in which we discuss NVDA experiences, answer questions etc. So it's all of us's job to in our countries and/or areas, continue spreading by example, all that NVDA has to offer in our path towards integration with the sighted computer users. Graet work! and may 2018 bring inspiration for you guys in implementing features, and for us in suggestions, and mainly to continue spreading the benefits of NVDA.


El 12/12/2017 a las 09:09 p.m., Rosemarie Chavarria escribió:

Hi, Quentin,

 

I'd like to thank you and everyone at NV Access for everything you've done to make NVDA the great screen reader that it is today. I've really enjoyed reading the blogs for this year and look forward to reading them again in 2018.

 

Rosemarie

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2017 6:57 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] In-Process 13th December 2017

 

Hi everyone,

 

Well it's that time of year, the last In-Process blog for the year!  Here it is:

 

 

Thanks for being so supportive and enthusiastic of the blog this year.  It's been fun and I look forward to bringing it to you again regularly in 2018!

 

Quentin.

 

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Re: An unusual but potentially very useful idea about sounds

JM Casey <crystallogic@...>
 

Yeah, this is really cool. I think it’s some kind of radio interference. I get a bit of this in my own headphones, and I’d like to get some shielding so it doesn’t happen, mostly because it’s not exactly what I want to hear out of my headphones, but I can still see how it would be useful. Back in the early 90s, I remember using my short-wave radio and tuning in on the frequences my Apple 2 E used. There was no practical reason for this, I just thought the sounds were really cool, and indeed, I could pick out the different sounds for disk access, idling/waiting for keypresses, screen changes, etc.

 

I really have no idea, but I can’t really imagine a programme like nVDA being able to pick up these sounds. I mean wouldn’t you need some kind of receiver?

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: December 14, 2017 5:46 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] An unusual but potentially very useful idea about sounds

 

People who have followed my comments about sounds may believe that I don't see much use in sounds in general.  That isn't the case.  I think many sounds people rely on don't give much useful information or duplicate very easily gotten information already available but here is an idea for sounds that give unavailable information or information that is not conveniently available.

 

Awhile ago, I got a new set of headphones that are unusually efficient.  They are so efficient that I can hear the sounds of the processor working softly.  I was initially going to buy an adapter with a volume control to get rid of the sounds but I found that they were useful.  For example, if I am normalizing a file, the processor makes a certain kind of sound when I'm using the program I normalize with.  I don't have to check to see when normalization is finished nor do I need a specific sound, nonexistent, to tell me.  I just wait for the processor sound to stop.  The same when I'm copying long files.  I don't have to check periodically.  If I'm downloading something, again, my processor makes a certain repetetive sound.  I know when the download has finished by simply not hearing that sound any longer.  The same for uploads.  I can tell when my computer shuts down because the processor sound stops.  I can tell, if I issue the reboot command when the shutdown has ended.  That tells me that the reboot should be starting because a certain sound is heard. 

 

I can tell my computer is rebooting and hasn't gotten stuck because I can hear certain specific sounds during boot up.  Others may find other useful sounds.  Should there be a feature in NVDA or an add on that allows the user to hear such sounds, properly amplified, when desired?  They would be played through the sound card and heard over speakers or headphones, whatever is being used.  the function could be toggled on and off. 

 

Gene


Enhanced Touch Gestures 17.12, plus localization updates for StationPlaylist Studio and Windows 10 App Essentials #addonrelease

 

Ladies and gentlemen,

 

Three add-ons were updated today:

 

 

For the latter two, they include localization updates. For Windows 10 App Essentials, the help file includes a new section on modern keyboard, including emoji panel and hardware input suggestions (Redstone 4), and 17.12.1 is the last version of the add-on to run on Windows 10 Version 1607 (build 14393).

 

For Enhanced Touch Gestures, important changes were made, along with a brand new feature. Due to the extent of changes, Enhanced Touch Gestures 17.12 absolutely requires NVDA 2017.4. The new feature in this version is ability to completely disable touch support if using configuration profiles other than normal configuration, suitable for apps where touch support is not required. For rescue purposes, you can assign a command to manually toggle touch support on and off. To fully utilize this feature, you need to create an app-specific profile for the pap in question.

 

Also, if using recent NVDA development snapshots, you’ll see two Touch Interaction dialogs listed under NVDA’s preferences menu. The second one is the one that comes with the add-on. If you open this one, you’ll notice that touch typing mode checkbox is gone, and this is because it is incubating in next snapshots. To change this setting, open the first Touch Interaction dialog (the one that comes with NVDA snapshots).

 

Unless critical issues arise, these will be last add-on releases from me in 2017.

 

Cheers,

Joseph


Re: An unusual but potentially very useful idea about sounds

Sarah k Alawami
 

Yes, but no. You can go to, well I dunno now, and buy a dynamic phone patch and amp and plug that in, and make yoru own gismo. I had a friend who did this and I borrowed it to diag a bad drive once. Said friend also knew I was recording when I felt him walk  up to me and touch my recorder. I hear the buzz of data.

On Dec 14, 2017, at 2:46 AM, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:

People who have followed my comments about sounds may believe that I don't see much use in sounds in general.  That isn't the case.  I think many sounds people rely on don't give much useful information or duplicate very easily gotten information already available but here is an idea for sounds that give unavailable information or information that is not conveniently available.
 
Awhile ago, I got a new set of headphones that are unusually efficient.  They are so efficient that I can hear the sounds of the processor working softly.  I was initially going to buy an adapter with a volume control to get rid of the sounds but I found that they were useful.  For example, if I am normalizing a file, the processor makes a certain kind of sound when I'm using the program I normalize with.  I don't have to check to see when normalization is finished nor do I need a specific sound, nonexistent, to tell me.  I just wait for the processor sound to stop.  The same when I'm copying long files.  I don't have to check periodically.  If I'm downloading something, again, my processor makes a certain repetetive sound.  I know when the download has finished by simply not hearing that sound any longer.  The same for uploads.  I can tell when my computer shuts down because the processor sound stops.  I can tell, if I issue the reboot command when the shutdown has ended.  That tells me that the reboot should be starting because a certain sound is heard. 
 
I can tell my computer is rebooting and hasn't gotten stuck because I can hear certain specific sounds during boot up.  Others may find other useful sounds.  Should there be a feature in NVDA or an add on that allows the user to hear such sounds, properly amplified, when desired?  They would be played through the sound card and heard over speakers or headphones, whatever is being used.  the function could be toggled on and off. 
 
Gene


testing 12 12

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

I've created a couple of new threads just now but neither has shownup yet while replies to existing ones have.
So please do not respond to this. the issue merely is can I see this message. Brian

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Re: remote 2.0 issue

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

He has to use a software synth for this to work I feel.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "George McCoy" <slr1bpz@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2017 5:27 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] remote 2.0 issue


He is using a DECTalk express serial version with the DECTalk express add-on. I am using the espeak ng synth that comes with NVDA.

From: Gene New Zealand
Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2017 4:01 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] remote 2.0 issue

Hi



Is he a braille use with a display? I am wondering if he has his speech set to no speech under the synth settings.



I am not a braille display user so am wondering if they turn it off instead of hearing speech?



maybe a braille display user can tell us.





Gene nz





On 12/14/2017 10:42 AM, John Isige wrote:

Are you running the same synth on both computers? I think it'll try to
deal with it if you're not, but the ideal is to have both copies of NVDA
set to use the same synth.


On 12/13/2017 15:38, George McCoy wrote:

I am trying to control another computer using the remote 2.0
add-on. I have control of the other computer but I get no
speech on my end. It acts like it does when the remote computer is
muted but that is not the case.
My computer is running windows 7 home premium. My friend’s computer
is running windows 7 ultimate. Both machines are running NVDA 2017.1.
I get the same behavior when I try to control my friend’s computer
with my HP running windows 10 professional and NvDA 2017.3.
I’ve tried everything I can think of. Does anyone have any suggestions?
Thanks very much,
George









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Re: An unusual but potentially very useful idea about sounds

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Well, yes and I needed to get rid onf this problem to allow me to use the computer as an audio source for the hi fi. Inow have an external sound usb device with phono sockets in and out. However I soon discovered that the analogue parts of the device were getting a whining sound all the time, quite low level but annoying.the fix, not completely, but you would need to blow your brain out to hear it, was an isolated powered hub with a bigger than usual mains supply.

Brian

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Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2017 10:46 AM
Subject: [nvda] An unusual but potentially very useful idea about sounds


People who have followed my comments about sounds may believe that I don't see much use in sounds in general. That isn't the case. I think many sounds people rely on don't give much useful information or duplicate very easily gotten information already available but here is an idea for sounds that give unavailable information or information that is not conveniently available.

Awhile ago, I got a new set of headphones that are unusually efficient. They are so efficient that I can hear the sounds of the processor working softly. I was initially going to buy an adapter with a volume control to get rid of the sounds but I found that they were useful. For example, if I am normalizing a file, the processor makes a certain kind of sound when I'm using the program I normalize with. I don't have to check to see when normalization is finished nor do I need a specific sound, nonexistent, to tell me. I just wait for the processor sound to stop. The same when I'm copying long files. I don't have to check periodically. If I'm downloading something, again, my processor makes a certain repetetive sound. I know when the download has finished by simply not hearing that sound any longer. The same for uploads. I can tell when my computer shuts down because the processor sound stops. I can tell, if I issue the reboot command when the shutdown has ended. That tells me that the reboot should be starting because a certain sound is heard.

I can tell my computer is rebooting and hasn't gotten stuck because I can hear certain specific sounds during boot up. Others may find other useful sounds. Should there be a feature in NVDA or an add on that allows the user to hear such sounds, properly amplified, when desired? They would be played through the sound card and heard over speakers or headphones, whatever is being used. the function could be toggled on and off.

Gene