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Re: nvda 2018.1 and soulseek ns?

Ron Canazzi
 

I am using Windows 10 latest update with NVDA 2018.1.1 and I have seen no change since Windows XP when using Soulseek.


Here is the executable name of the version of Soulseek I am using.

slsk157NS13c.exe

On 4/7/2018 9:51 PM, Orhan Deniz via Groups.Io wrote:
Dude I've used soulseek for over 10 years.

This seems to be a windows 10 specific issue. I will use qt and ns together until a better workaround is found.

On 08/04/2018 00:53, Ron Canazzi wrote:
You also must realize that when browsing a user's files, the interface is a tree view.  If you hear the word collapsed in front of a folder name, you must use the right arrow key to open that tree and go below in the sub structure. You must always make sure that you are in object navigation and if you do not get a download option in your right click menu, you have probably been moved out of object navigation into screen review.  This can happen if you alt + tab away from Soulseek and then back.



On 4/7/2018 12:11 PM, Orhan Deniz via Groups.Io wrote:
Hi Ron,
This issue only occurs when browsing a users files. so say for instance: there is a folder 1995, with nested folders below it, and the third one is called Folder C, I can move the navigator object to it, but as soon as i right click, it selects 1995 instead.

Orhan.
On 07/04/2018 08:04, Ron Canazzi wrote:
Hi Orhan,


I am not having this issue s such.  From Windows 7 on up, I always had to make sure that when in a list using Soulseek, I had to be sure to be in object navigation mode and then to use the right mouse button click when in a list of transfers and in a list of search results, I use the context menu key.  Just why this is, I do not know but it works this way for years.





On 4/6/2018 5:02 PM, Orhan Deniz via Groups.Io wrote:
On windows 10, using soulseek ns 157, when moving the focus to the current navigator object, in a users list of folders, slsk focuses on the wrong folder. i have no other issues with ns and really don't want to upgrade to qt. Anyone else experienced this and is it an nvda or windows 10 issue? works fine on win 7.

Best, O.






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Re: Which free office package is more accessible libre office or open office with nvda?

 

They won't do anything if removed I have to remove them to update them on a remote system.

On 7/04/2018 10:01 p.m., Gene New Zealand wrote:
Hi guys


I have just been asked this question as mentioned in the subject line. I
do not use these packages at all They also want to know if the package
is uninstalled will it cause any problems like she got when she
uninstalled a copy of microsoft office  or was it another word
processing program.

not sure which program  it was.

it would say unknown in the running applications area, the context menu
and a few other places.

she does not want it to happen again if she decides to try either of
them out.

By the way have they fixed the problem where when you went to do say all
to read the document it would stop after each paragraph.


I know they are not as polished as office with browse mode etc but are
they still very usable.


I think she just wants it for the basics? by the way will it report
formatting so you maybe know the size of the text etc



any help would be great.


Gene nz






Re: NVDA 2018.1 freezes when editing an Excel worksheet

Pranav Lal
 

Hi Suzy,

 

Go Excel’s advanced options and disable hardware acceleration. This may help.

 

Pranav


Re: NVDA still say unknown

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

I think I figured out what was going on. I hit control NVDA key f-1 and found out that team viewer must have gotten in the way. Now I'm not hearing unknown anymore. I'll know what to do if it happens next time but I think it's solved now.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Annette Moore
Sent: Saturday, April 7, 2018 1:10 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA still say unknown

 

I get that unknown thing as well, but I just alt tab and it's gone. I haven't come to the list with it, though, because it's not causing me any problems, and it does go away once I alt tab, and when I maximize the window, it either shows the desktop or another program I'm in, so I don't think it's really anything to worry about. I'd only worry if it was saying "Unknown," within a program and being completely disruptive to whatever I'm doing. It's not doing that, though, so it really doesn't worry me. It's good to know, however, that others are seeing it; good to know it's not just my computer being weird or something.

Annette

On 4/6/2018 3:51 PM, Gene wrote:

In my experience, exiting programs often doesn't take you to the desktop.  Others may wish to comment.  it's possible that, for somereason, a window is present that isn't visible to the screen-reader.  This window may be the result of a program running in the background.  Have you installed any programs or updated anything around the time the problem started?  Unless you think you have malware or have some other problem, this may well be just a change caused by something, a new program, some sort of update, something that means nothing other than that maybe a window is being displayed that makes you not return to the desktop as often as you expect. 

 

You may be hearing unknown because a window, not recognized by NVDA is getting focus.  You may get the answer most easily by having a sighted person see what's on screen when you close a program. 

 

While this may indicate a problem such as malware, it may indicate nothing except a change in something that affects screen-readers but doesn't affect anything from a sighted users' perspective. 

 

Others may have other comments and suggestions. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Friday, April 06, 2018 3:39 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA still say unknown

 

I'm talking about exiting programs. I know how to get to the desktop with alt f-4 or windows D but in the past when I've exited programs, I was taken back to the desktop.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Friday, April 6, 2018 1:34 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA still say unknown

 

What are you referring to?  You said alt f4 to get to the desktop.  Alt f4 closes programs.  It doesn't take you to the desktop.  It often leaves you nowhere.  You have to use the usual Windows key d and Windows key m to move to the desktop.  What exactly is the problem?  You said you hear unknown.  What do you do after that and what happens?

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Friday, April 06, 2018 3:29 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA still say unknown

 

Hi, Gene,

 

I'm trying narrator right now. I'll see what happens when I hit alt f-4 to get to the desktop.

 

Rosemarie

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Friday, April 6, 2018 1:04 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA still say unknown

 

Yesterday, your message appeared to indicate that you can carry out the action by issuing the command twice, as in issuing alt f4 twice.  Is that correct? 

 

Have you determined if this is an NVDA problem?  Have you tried the same commands in the same contexts using Narrator or JAWS?  Is there a need to issue them twice?  Also, have you tried an earlier version of NVDA that used to work correctly?  What happens? 

 

Just having to issue a command twice is a very easy work around.  If that's all that is necessary, this may be one of those small problems where there is a very easy work around and the time and effort involved to try to solve them isn't worth expending.  Not every problem needs to be solved.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Friday, April 06, 2018 1:58 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA still say unknown

 

Hi, Gene,

 

I tried waiting for 10 seconds and nothing happened. I don't know what else to try.

 

Rosemarie

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Friday, April 6, 2018 11:52 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA still say unknown

 

Is this a problem that means anything or is it just something being spoken that means nothing?  When you hear unknown, if you just do nothing for a number of seconds, does what you expect to happen happen? 

 

NVDA often says unknown and then, when you wait for a brief time, whatever is supposed to happen happens.  Have you tested to see what happens?  When you hear unknown, wait ten seconds to see if whatever is supposed to happen happens.  Yesterday, you said something about having to issue a program close command twice.  What we don't know is if the second time is doing anything.  If you just wait many seconds and don't do anything, you may find that what you expect to happen happens.  Part of being a good blind computer user is to know what matters and what doesn't.  So far, we don't know if this matters or is just irrelevant speech.

 

There may be nothing to be done at this time except to ignore it. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Friday, April 06, 2018 1:05 PM

Subject: [nvda] NVDA still say unknown

 

Hi, everyone,

 

I just updated to the latest add-on but that didn't help at all. I don't know what else to try. Any suggestions will be very much appreciated.

 

Thanks in advance.

 

Rosemarie

 

 

 

 


Re: nvda 2018.1 and soulseek ns?

Orhan Deniz <orhan.deniz63@...>
 

Dude I've used soulseek for over 10 years.

This seems to be a windows 10 specific issue. I will use qt and ns together until a better workaround is found.

On 08/04/2018 00:53, Ron Canazzi wrote:
You also must realize that when browsing a user's files, the interface is a tree view.  If you hear the word collapsed in front of a folder name, you must use the right arrow key to open that tree and go below in the sub structure.  You must always make sure that you are in object navigation and if you do not get a download option in your right click menu, you have probably been moved out of object navigation into screen review.  This can happen if you alt + tab away from Soulseek and then back.
On 4/7/2018 12:11 PM, Orhan Deniz via Groups.Io wrote:
Hi Ron,
This issue only occurs when browsing a users files. so say for instance: there is a folder 1995, with nested folders below it, and the third one is called Folder C, I can move the navigator object to it, but as soon as i right click, it selects 1995 instead.

Orhan.
On 07/04/2018 08:04, Ron Canazzi wrote:
Hi Orhan,


I am not having this issue s such.  From Windows 7 on up, I always had to make sure that when in a list using Soulseek, I had to be sure to be in object navigation mode and then to use the right mouse button click when in a list of transfers and in a list of search results, I use the context menu key.  Just why this is, I do not know but it works this way for years.





On 4/6/2018 5:02 PM, Orhan Deniz via Groups.Io wrote:
On windows 10, using soulseek ns 157, when moving the focus to the current navigator object, in a users list of folders, slsk focuses on the wrong folder. i have no other issues with ns and really don't want to upgrade to qt. Anyone else experienced this and is it an nvda or windows 10 issue? works fine on win 7.

Best, O.






Re: Using combo boxes in Chrome.

John Isige
 

Ah! Thanks, I didn't know that. Good thing to know. I'll have to
remember that, I imagine it will come in quite handy.

On 4/7/2018 18:39, Gene wrote:
Enter puts you in forms mode but you are taken out of forms mode when
a page refreshes if you enter it in that way.  NVDA key space places
you in forms mode and you stay in forms mode regardless of what
happens such as a page refreshing.  If you press escape, you will
return to browse mode or if you use the same command, NVDA key space,
you will return to browse mode. But you never automatically return if
you enter forms mode with NVDA key space.
Gene
----- Original Message -----

*From:* John Isige <mailto:gwynn@tds.net>
*Sent:* Saturday, April 07, 2018 5:49 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] Using combo boxes in Chrome.

Thanks! NVDA-space did the trick, weird that it didn't work with enter.
So hitting NVDA-space and then alt-down to expand let's you arrow
through it and hit enter on whatever you want, but replacing NVDA-space
with enter doesn't seem to let you, at least it didn't work for me.
Enter takes it into focus, it at least makes the sound for it, but then
as soon as you do anything with the arrows, it changes. I'll bet this
trick will work for stuff like Amazon's combo boxes too.


On 4/7/2018 16:36, Chris via Groups.Io wrote:

It works the same in chrome and firefox for me

All i did was to hit C to find the combo boxes then NVDA+space to go
into focus mode then alt+down arrow to expand and and up/down arrow
for your choice and hit enter

*From: *John Isige <mailto:gwynn@tds.net>
*Sent: *07 April 2018 22:11
*To: *nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:*nvda@nvda.groups.io>
<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject: *Re: [nvda] Using combo boxes in Chrome.

Right. But in Chrome, I can't seem to change it. In Firefox, if I expand

it with alt-down arrow, I get a list I can arrow through, and then when

I tab out, it picks my selection. For example, if I pick "content" in

Firefox and hit enter and then alt-down to expand, I can arrow to

"album" and hit tab, and it will filter for albums. In Chrome, that

doesn't work, it just changes something and reloads the page, often

getting rid of the search results entirely. The audio player doesn't

seem to work for me in Firefox, or I'd just use that and be done
with it.

On 4/7/2018 15:36, Chris via Groups.Io wrote:

its a filter, it refreshes to reflect your choice
*From: *John Isige <mailto:gwynn@tds.net>
*Sent: *07 April 2018 21:23
*To: *nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:*nvda@nvda.groups.io>
<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

*Subject: *[nvda] Using combo boxes in Chrome.
Hey all. So far as I know I'm on latest NVDA and latest Chrome. I'm
trying to use the combo boxes on the following site.
http://www.folkways.si.edu/search?query=harmonica
If I hit enter on one, say "content", and use the arrows, it
reloads the

page. If I expand it, it reloads the page. If I arrow when it's
expanded, it reloads the page. Anybody know of a fix for this?
Right now

they're unusable, and I have a feeling Chrome does this for other
sites

too, though I could be wrong about that. I haven't tried Firefox
because

I don't think the audio player works for me in Firefox, although I
finally got it working in Chrome, so I'll go check that now, in
case it

works any better.



Re: nvda 2018.1 and soulseek ns?

Ron Canazzi
 

You also must realize that when browsing a user's files, the interface is a tree view.  If you hear the word collapsed in front of a folder name, you must use the right arrow key to open that tree and go below in the sub structure.  You must always make sure that you are in object navigation and if you do not get a download option in your right click menu, you have probably been moved out of object navigation into screen review.  This can happen if you alt + tab away from Soulseek and then back.

On 4/7/2018 12:11 PM, Orhan Deniz via Groups.Io wrote:
Hi Ron,
This issue only occurs when browsing a users files. so say for instance: there is a folder 1995, with nested folders below it, and the third one is called Folder C, I can move the navigator object to it, but as soon as i right click, it selects 1995 instead.

Orhan.
On 07/04/2018 08:04, Ron Canazzi wrote:
Hi Orhan,


I am not having this issue s such.  From Windows 7 on up, I always had to make sure that when in a list using Soulseek, I had to be sure to be in object navigation mode and then to use the right mouse button click when in a list of transfers and in a list of search results, I use the context menu key.  Just why this is, I do not know but it works this way for years.





On 4/6/2018 5:02 PM, Orhan Deniz via Groups.Io wrote:
On windows 10, using soulseek ns 157, when moving the focus to the current navigator object, in a users list of folders, slsk focuses on the wrong folder. i have no other issues with ns and really don't want to upgrade to qt. Anyone else experienced this and is it an nvda or windows 10 issue? works fine on win 7.

Best, O.




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They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"


Re: Using combo boxes in Chrome.

Gene
 

Enter puts you in forms mode but you are taken out of forms mode when a page refreshes if you enter it in that way.  NVDA key space places you in forms mode and you stay in forms mode regardless of what happens such as a page refreshing.  If you press escape, you will return to browse mode or if you use the same command, NVDA key space, you will return to browse mode.  But you never automatically return if you enter forms mode with NVDA key space.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: John Isige
Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2018 5:49 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Using combo boxes in Chrome.

Thanks! NVDA-space did the trick, weird that it didn't work with enter.
So hitting NVDA-space and then alt-down to expand let's you arrow
through it and hit enter on whatever you want, but replacing NVDA-space
with enter doesn't seem to let you, at least it didn't work for me.
Enter takes it into focus, it at least makes the sound for it, but then
as soon as you do anything with the arrows, it changes. I'll bet this
trick will work for stuff like Amazon's combo boxes too.


On 4/7/2018 16:36, Chris via Groups.Io wrote:
>
> It works the same in chrome and firefox for me
>
> All i did was to hit C to find the combo boxes then NVDA+space to go
> into focus mode then alt+down arrow to expand and and up/down arrow
> for your choice and hit enter
>
> *From: *John Isige <mailto:gwynn@...>
> *Sent: *07 April 2018 22:11
> *To: *nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> *Subject: *Re: [nvda] Using combo boxes in Chrome.
>
> Right. But in Chrome, I can't seem to change it. In Firefox, if I expand
>
> it with alt-down arrow, I get a list I can arrow through, and then when
>
> I tab out, it picks my selection. For example, if I pick "content" in
>
> Firefox and hit enter and then alt-down to expand, I can arrow to
>
> "album" and hit tab, and it will filter for albums. In Chrome, that
>
> doesn't work, it just changes something and reloads the page, often
>
> getting rid of the search results entirely. The audio player doesn't
>
> seem to work for me in Firefox, or I'd just use that and be done with it.
>
> On 4/7/2018 15:36, Chris via Groups.Io wrote:
>
> >
>
> > its a filter, it refreshes to reflect your choice
>
> >
>
> > *From: *John Isige <mailto:gwynn@...>
>
> > *Sent: *07 April 2018 21:23
>
> > *To: *nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>
> > *Subject: *[nvda] Using combo boxes in Chrome.
>
> >
>
> > Hey all. So far as I know I'm on latest NVDA and latest Chrome. I'm
>
> >
>
> > trying to use the combo boxes on the following site.
>
> >
>
> > http://www.folkways.si.edu/search?query=harmonica
>
> >
>
> > If I hit enter on one, say "content", and use the arrows, it reloads the
>
> >
>
> > page. If I expand it, it reloads the page. If I arrow when it's
>
> >
>
> > expanded, it reloads the page. Anybody know of a fix for this? Right now
>
> >
>
> > they're unusable, and I have a feeling Chrome does this for other sites
>
> >
>
> > too, though I could be wrong about that. I haven't tried Firefox because
>
> >
>
> > I don't think the audio player works for me in Firefox, although I
>
> >
>
> > finally got it working in Chrome, so I'll go check that now, in case it
>
> >
>
> > works any better.
>
> >
>
> >
>
>




Re: Using combo boxes in Chrome.

John Isige
 

Thanks! NVDA-space did the trick, weird that it didn't work with enter. So hitting NVDA-space and then alt-down to expand let's you arrow through it and hit enter on whatever you want, but replacing NVDA-space with enter doesn't seem to let you, at least it didn't work for me. Enter takes it into focus, it at least makes the sound for it, but then as soon as you do anything with the arrows, it changes. I'll bet this trick will work for stuff like Amazon's combo boxes too.

On 4/7/2018 16:36, Chris via Groups.Io wrote:

It works the same in chrome and firefox for me

All i did was to hit C to find the combo boxes then NVDA+space to go into focus mode then alt+down arrow to expand and and up/down arrow for your choice and hit enter

*From: *John Isige <mailto:gwynn@tds.net>
*Sent: *07 April 2018 22:11
*To: *nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject: *Re: [nvda] Using combo boxes in Chrome.

Right. But in Chrome, I can't seem to change it. In Firefox, if I expand

it with alt-down arrow, I get a list I can arrow through, and then when

I tab out, it picks my selection. For example, if I pick "content" in

Firefox and hit enter and then alt-down to expand, I can arrow to

"album" and hit tab, and it will filter for albums. In Chrome, that

doesn't work, it just changes something and reloads the page, often

getting rid of the search results entirely. The audio player doesn't

seem to work for me in Firefox, or I'd just use that and be done with it.

On 4/7/2018 15:36, Chris via Groups.Io wrote:

its a filter, it refreshes to reflect your choice
*From: *John Isige <mailto:gwynn@tds.net>
*Sent: *07 April 2018 21:23
*To: *nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject: *[nvda] Using combo boxes in Chrome.
Hey all. So far as I know I'm on latest NVDA and latest Chrome. I'm
trying to use the combo boxes on the following site.
http://www.folkways.si.edu/search?query=harmonica
If I hit enter on one, say "content", and use the arrows, it reloads the
page. If I expand it, it reloads the page. If I arrow when it's
expanded, it reloads the page. Anybody know of a fix for this? Right now
they're unusable, and I have a feeling Chrome does this for other sites
too, though I could be wrong about that. I haven't tried Firefox because
I don't think the audio player works for me in Firefox, although I
finally got it working in Chrome, so I'll go check that now, in case it
works any better.


Re: Using combo boxes in Chrome.

Chris
 

It works the same in chrome and firefox for me

All i did was to hit C to find the combo boxes then NVDA+space to go into focus mode then alt+down arrow to expand and and up/down arrow for your choice and hit enter

 

 

From: John Isige
Sent: 07 April 2018 22:11
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Using combo boxes in Chrome.

 

Right. But in Chrome, I can't seem to change it. In Firefox, if I expand

it with alt-down arrow, I get a list I can arrow through, and then when

I tab out, it picks my selection. For example, if I pick "content" in

Firefox and hit enter and then alt-down to expand, I can arrow to

"album" and hit tab, and it will filter for albums. In Chrome, that

doesn't work, it just changes something and reloads the page, often

getting rid of the search results entirely. The audio player doesn't

seem to work for me in Firefox, or I'd just use that and be done with it.

 

 

On 4/7/2018 15:36, Chris via Groups.Io wrote:

> its a filter, it refreshes to reflect your choice

> *From: *John Isige <mailto:gwynn@...>

> *Sent: *07 April 2018 21:23

> *To: *nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

> *Subject: *[nvda] Using combo boxes in Chrome.

> Hey all. So far as I know I'm on latest NVDA and latest Chrome. I'm

> trying to use the combo boxes on the following site.

> http://www.folkways.si.edu/search?query=harmonica

> If I hit enter on one, say "content", and use the arrows, it reloads the

> page. If I expand it, it reloads the page. If I arrow when it's

> expanded, it reloads the page. Anybody know of a fix for this? Right now

> they're unusable, and I have a feeling Chrome does this for other sites

> too, though I could be wrong about that. I haven't tried Firefox because

> I don't think the audio player works for me in Firefox, although I

> finally got it working in Chrome, so I'll go check that now, in case it

> works any better.

>

 

 

 

 


Re: Using combo boxes in Chrome.

Gene
 

I should add that I tested this with firefox, not with Chrome.  I may test with Chrome later on another computer.
In firefox, I'm using the ESR version, I had to do what I described.  See if it works in Chrome.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: John Isige
Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2018 4:11 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Using combo boxes in Chrome.

Right. But in Chrome, I can't seem to change it. In Firefox, if I expand
it with alt-down arrow, I get a list I can arrow through, and then when
I tab out, it picks my selection. For example, if I pick "content" in
Firefox and hit enter and then alt-down to expand, I can arrow to
"album" and hit tab, and it will filter for albums. In Chrome, that
doesn't work, it just changes something and reloads the page, often
getting rid of the search results entirely. The audio player doesn't
seem to work for me in Firefox, or I'd just use that and be done with it.


On 4/7/2018 15:36, Chris via Groups.Io wrote:
>
> its a filter, it refreshes to reflect your choice
>
> *From: *John Isige <mailto:gwynn@...>
> *Sent: *07 April 2018 21:23
> *To: *nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> *Subject: *[nvda] Using combo boxes in Chrome.
>
> Hey all. So far as I know I'm on latest NVDA and latest Chrome. I'm
>
> trying to use the combo boxes on the following site.
>
> http://www.folkways.si.edu/search?query=harmonica
>
> If I hit enter on one, say "content", and use the arrows, it reloads the
>
> page. If I expand it, it reloads the page. If I arrow when it's
>
> expanded, it reloads the page. Anybody know of a fix for this? Right now
>
> they're unusable, and I have a feeling Chrome does this for other sites
>
> too, though I could be wrong about that. I haven't tried Firefox because
>
> I don't think the audio player works for me in Firefox, although I
>
> finally got it working in Chrome, so I'll go check that now, in case it
>
> works any better.
>
>




Re: Using combo boxes in Chrome.

Gene
 

When you open the combo box with alt down arrow, the page reloads, as you say.  but if you press enter on the combo box again, you will be in forms mode and the combo box will be opened.  You can move around in it.  When you find whatever you want, press enter.  This will do what is usually done in combo boxes you open.  the page will reload and the combo box will be set on what you want.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: John Isige
Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2018 3:23 PM
Subject: [nvda] Using combo boxes in Chrome.

Hey all. So far as I know I'm on latest NVDA and latest Chrome. I'm
trying to use the combo boxes on the following site.


http://www.folkways.si.edu/search?query=harmonica


If I hit enter on one, say "content", and use the arrows, it reloads the
page. If I expand it, it reloads the page. If I arrow when it's
expanded, it reloads the page. Anybody know of a fix for this? Right now
they're unusable, and I have a feeling Chrome does this for other sites
too, though I could be wrong about that. I haven't tried Firefox because
I don't think the audio player works for me in Firefox, although I
finally got it working in Chrome, so I'll go check that now, in case it
works any better.




Re: Using combo boxes in Chrome.

John Isige
 

Right. But in Chrome, I can't seem to change it. In Firefox, if I expand it with alt-down arrow, I get a list I can arrow through, and then when I tab out, it picks my selection. For example, if I pick "content" in Firefox and hit enter and then alt-down to expand, I can arrow to "album" and hit tab, and it will filter for albums. In Chrome, that doesn't work, it just changes something and reloads the page, often getting rid of the search results entirely. The audio player doesn't seem to work for me in Firefox, or I'd just use that and be done with it.

On 4/7/2018 15:36, Chris via Groups.Io wrote:

its a filter, it refreshes to reflect your choice

*From: *John Isige <mailto:gwynn@tds.net>
*Sent: *07 April 2018 21:23
*To: *nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject: *[nvda] Using combo boxes in Chrome.

Hey all. So far as I know I'm on latest NVDA and latest Chrome. I'm

trying to use the combo boxes on the following site.

http://www.folkways.si.edu/search?query=harmonica

If I hit enter on one, say "content", and use the arrows, it reloads the

page. If I expand it, it reloads the page. If I arrow when it's

expanded, it reloads the page. Anybody know of a fix for this? Right now

they're unusable, and I have a feeling Chrome does this for other sites

too, though I could be wrong about that. I haven't tried Firefox because

I don't think the audio player works for me in Firefox, although I

finally got it working in Chrome, so I'll go check that now, in case it

works any better.


Re: Using combo boxes in Chrome.

Chris
 

its a filter, it refreshes to reflect your choice

 

 

 

From: John Isige
Sent: 07 April 2018 21:23
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Using combo boxes in Chrome.

 

Hey all. So far as I know I'm on latest NVDA and latest Chrome. I'm

trying to use the combo boxes on the following site.

 

 

http://www.folkways.si.edu/search?query=harmonica

 

 

If I hit enter on one, say "content", and use the arrows, it reloads the

page. If I expand it, it reloads the page. If I arrow when it's

expanded, it reloads the page. Anybody know of a fix for this? Right now

they're unusable, and I have a feeling Chrome does this for other sites

too, though I could be wrong about that. I haven't tried Firefox because

I don't think the audio player works for me in Firefox, although I

finally got it working in Chrome, so I'll go check that now, in case it

works any better.

 

 

 

 


Re: Using combo boxes in Chrome.

Sarah k Alawami
 

Can you maybe try hitting alt down to open the combo box and then change to the option you want and hit alt up to close it? I dunno fi this will work but good lucnk

On Apr 7, 2018, at 1:23 PM, John Isige <gwynn@tds.net> wrote:

Hey all. So far as I know I'm on latest NVDA and latest Chrome. I'm trying to use the combo boxes on the following site.


http://www.folkways.si.edu/search?query=harmonica


If I hit enter on one, say "content", and use the arrows, it reloads the page. If I expand it, it reloads the page. If I arrow when it's expanded, it reloads the page. Anybody know of a fix for this? Right now they're unusable, and I have a feeling Chrome does this for other sites too, though I could be wrong about that. I haven't tried Firefox because I don't think the audio player works for me in Firefox, although I finally got it working in Chrome, so I'll go check that now, in case it works any better.




Re: NVDA still say unknown

Ashley Wayne
 

Same with me exactly.  It says it when I close a program, but stops with alt tab.  It's a bit annoying, but not a major issue.  I'm glad also to see though that it's not just some random weird thing on my computer.


On Apr 7, 2018 2:10 PM, "Annette Moore" <angelgirl52376@...> wrote:

I get that unknown thing as well, but I just alt tab and it's gone. I haven't come to the list with it, though, because it's not causing me any problems, and it does go away once I alt tab, and when I maximize the window, it either shows the desktop or another program I'm in, so I don't think it's really anything to worry about. I'd only worry if it was saying "Unknown," within a program and being completely disruptive to whatever I'm doing. It's not doing that, though, so it really doesn't worry me. It's good to know, however, that others are seeing it; good to know it's not just my computer being weird or something.

Annette
On 4/6/2018 3:51 PM, Gene wrote:
In my experience, exiting programs often doesn't take you to the desktop.  Others may wish to comment.  it's possible that, for somereason, a window is present that isn't visible to the screen-reader.  This window may be the result of a program running in the background.  Have you installed any programs or updated anything around the time the problem started?  Unless you think you have malware or have some other problem, this may well be just a change caused by something, a new program, some sort of update, something that means nothing other than that maybe a window is being displayed that makes you not return to the desktop as often as you expect. 
 
You may be hearing unknown because a window, not recognized by NVDA is getting focus.  You may get the answer most easily by having a sighted person see what's on screen when you close a program. 
 
While this may indicate a problem such as malware, it may indicate nothing except a change in something that affects screen-readers but doesn't affect anything from a sighted users' perspective. 
 
Others may have other comments and suggestions. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, April 06, 2018 3:39 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA still say unknown

I'm talking about exiting programs. I know how to get to the desktop with alt f-4 or windows D but in the past when I've exited programs, I was taken back to the desktop.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Friday, April 6, 2018 1:34 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA still say unknown

 

What are you referring to?  You said alt f4 to get to the desktop.  Alt f4 closes programs.  It doesn't take you to the desktop.  It often leaves you nowhere.  You have to use the usual Windows key d and Windows key m to move to the desktop.  What exactly is the problem?  You said you hear unknown.  What do you do after that and what happens?

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Friday, April 06, 2018 3:29 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA still say unknown

 

Hi, Gene,

 

I'm trying narrator right now. I'll see what happens when I hit alt f-4 to get to the desktop.

 

Rosemarie

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Friday, April 6, 2018 1:04 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA still say unknown

 

Yesterday, your message appeared to indicate that you can carry out the action by issuing the command twice, as in issuing alt f4 twice.  Is that correct? 

 

Have you determined if this is an NVDA problem?  Have you tried the same commands in the same contexts using Narrator or JAWS?  Is there a need to issue them twice?  Also, have you tried an earlier version of NVDA that used to work correctly?  What happens? 

 

Just having to issue a command twice is a very easy work around.  If that's all that is necessary, this may be one of those small problems where there is a very easy work around and the time and effort involved to try to solve them isn't worth expending.  Not every problem needs to be solved.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Friday, April 06, 2018 1:58 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA still say unknown

 

Hi, Gene,

 

I tried waiting for 10 seconds and nothing happened. I don't know what else to try.

 

Rosemarie

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Friday, April 6, 2018 11:52 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA still say unknown

 

Is this a problem that means anything or is it just something being spoken that means nothing?  When you hear unknown, if you just do nothing for a number of seconds, does what you expect to happen happen? 

 

NVDA often says unknown and then, when you wait for a brief time, whatever is supposed to happen happens.  Have you tested to see what happens?  When you hear unknown, wait ten seconds to see if whatever is supposed to happen happens.  Yesterday, you said something about having to issue a program close command twice.  What we don't know is if the second time is doing anything.  If you just wait many seconds and don't do anything, you may find that what you expect to happen happens.  Part of being a good blind computer user is to know what matters and what doesn't.  So far, we don't know if this matters or is just irrelevant speech.

 

There may be nothing to be done at this time except to ignore it. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Friday, April 06, 2018 1:05 PM

Subject: [nvda] NVDA still say unknown

 

Hi, everyone,

 

I just updated to the latest add-on but that didn't help at all. I don't know what else to try. Any suggestions will be very much appreciated.

 

Thanks in advance.

 

Rosemarie

 

 

 




Using combo boxes in Chrome.

John Isige
 

Hey all. So far as I know I'm on latest NVDA and latest Chrome. I'm trying to use the combo boxes on the following site.


http://www.folkways.si.edu/search?query=harmonica


If I hit enter on one, say "content", and use the arrows, it reloads the page. If I expand it, it reloads the page. If I arrow when it's expanded, it reloads the page. Anybody know of a fix for this? Right now they're unusable, and I have a feeling Chrome does this for other sites too, though I could be wrong about that. I haven't tried Firefox because I don't think the audio player works for me in Firefox, although I finally got it working in Chrome, so I'll go check that now, in case it works any better.


Re: NVDA still say unknown

Annette Moore
 

I get that unknown thing as well, but I just alt tab and it's gone. I haven't come to the list with it, though, because it's not causing me any problems, and it does go away once I alt tab, and when I maximize the window, it either shows the desktop or another program I'm in, so I don't think it's really anything to worry about. I'd only worry if it was saying "Unknown," within a program and being completely disruptive to whatever I'm doing. It's not doing that, though, so it really doesn't worry me. It's good to know, however, that others are seeing it; good to know it's not just my computer being weird or something.

Annette

On 4/6/2018 3:51 PM, Gene wrote:
In my experience, exiting programs often doesn't take you to the desktop.  Others may wish to comment.  it's possible that, for somereason, a window is present that isn't visible to the screen-reader.  This window may be the result of a program running in the background.  Have you installed any programs or updated anything around the time the problem started?  Unless you think you have malware or have some other problem, this may well be just a change caused by something, a new program, some sort of update, something that means nothing other than that maybe a window is being displayed that makes you not return to the desktop as often as you expect. 
 
You may be hearing unknown because a window, not recognized by NVDA is getting focus.  You may get the answer most easily by having a sighted person see what's on screen when you close a program. 
 
While this may indicate a problem such as malware, it may indicate nothing except a change in something that affects screen-readers but doesn't affect anything from a sighted users' perspective. 
 
Others may have other comments and suggestions. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, April 06, 2018 3:39 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA still say unknown

I'm talking about exiting programs. I know how to get to the desktop with alt f-4 or windows D but in the past when I've exited programs, I was taken back to the desktop.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Friday, April 6, 2018 1:34 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA still say unknown

 

What are you referring to?  You said alt f4 to get to the desktop.  Alt f4 closes programs.  It doesn't take you to the desktop.  It often leaves you nowhere.  You have to use the usual Windows key d and Windows key m to move to the desktop.  What exactly is the problem?  You said you hear unknown.  What do you do after that and what happens?

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Friday, April 06, 2018 3:29 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA still say unknown

 

Hi, Gene,

 

I'm trying narrator right now. I'll see what happens when I hit alt f-4 to get to the desktop.

 

Rosemarie

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Friday, April 6, 2018 1:04 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA still say unknown

 

Yesterday, your message appeared to indicate that you can carry out the action by issuing the command twice, as in issuing alt f4 twice.  Is that correct? 

 

Have you determined if this is an NVDA problem?  Have you tried the same commands in the same contexts using Narrator or JAWS?  Is there a need to issue them twice?  Also, have you tried an earlier version of NVDA that used to work correctly?  What happens? 

 

Just having to issue a command twice is a very easy work around.  If that's all that is necessary, this may be one of those small problems where there is a very easy work around and the time and effort involved to try to solve them isn't worth expending.  Not every problem needs to be solved.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Friday, April 06, 2018 1:58 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA still say unknown

 

Hi, Gene,

 

I tried waiting for 10 seconds and nothing happened. I don't know what else to try.

 

Rosemarie

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Friday, April 6, 2018 11:52 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA still say unknown

 

Is this a problem that means anything or is it just something being spoken that means nothing?  When you hear unknown, if you just do nothing for a number of seconds, does what you expect to happen happen? 

 

NVDA often says unknown and then, when you wait for a brief time, whatever is supposed to happen happens.  Have you tested to see what happens?  When you hear unknown, wait ten seconds to see if whatever is supposed to happen happens.  Yesterday, you said something about having to issue a program close command twice.  What we don't know is if the second time is doing anything.  If you just wait many seconds and don't do anything, you may find that what you expect to happen happens.  Part of being a good blind computer user is to know what matters and what doesn't.  So far, we don't know if this matters or is just irrelevant speech.

 

There may be nothing to be done at this time except to ignore it. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Friday, April 06, 2018 1:05 PM

Subject: [nvda] NVDA still say unknown

 

Hi, everyone,

 

I just updated to the latest add-on but that didn't help at all. I don't know what else to try. Any suggestions will be very much appreciated.

 

Thanks in advance.

 

Rosemarie

 

 

 



Re: Which free office package is more accessible libre office or open office with nvda?

Ashley Wayne
 

Hello,
I have only used open office, and for only basic word processing and spreadsheets.  I have found it to work well with nvda, at least so far anyway.


On Sat, Apr 7, 2018, 11:47 AM Angela Delicata <angeladelicata@...> wrote:
I can confirm that Word processor part in Libre Office is accessible.

Best regards.
Angela from Italy

Il 07/04/2018 13:58, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io ha scritto:
> I think the answer seems to be no, since I use snapshots and neither
> package can read all successfully still.
>
> Also at present no browse and focus mode in either of them. Of the two
> generally, I've had most luck with the portable version of Libra Office.
> However I only ever use the word processor part.
>
> Incidentally, if the with office are going on, the latest  next
> snapshot has a built in tool to re register the dlls that get
> excommunicated. We thought this solved it until recently a new version
> of Skype broke more of the access dlls and stopped bits of excel
> working with screenreaders.
>
>
> I'm glad I'm still on windows 7 and an older version of office :-)
>
> Brian
>
> bglists@...
> Sent via blueyonder.
> Please address personal E-mail to:-
> briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
> in the display name field.
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gene New Zealand"
> <hurrikennyandopo@...>
> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2018 11:01 AM
> Subject: [nvda] Which free office package is more accessible libre
> office or open office with nvda?
>
>
>> Hi guys
>>
>>
>> I have just been asked this question as mentioned in the subject line. I
>> do not use these packages at all They also want to know if the package
>> is uninstalled will it cause any problems like she got when she
>> uninstalled a copy of microsoft office or was it another word
>> processing program.
>>
>> not sure which program it was.
>>
>> it would say unknown in the running applications area, the context menu
>> and a few other places.
>>
>> she does not want it to happen again if she decides to try either of
>> them out.
>>
>> By the way have they fixed the problem where when you went to do say all
>> to read the document it would stop after each paragraph.
>>
>>
>> I know they are not as polished as office with browse mode etc but are
>> they still very usable.
>>
>>
>> I think she just wants it for the basics? by the way will it report
>> formatting so you maybe know the size of the text etc
>>
>>
>>
>> any help would be great.
>>
>>
>> Gene nz
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>





Re: nvda 2018.1 and soulseek ns?

Orhan Deniz <orhan.deniz63@...>
 

Soulseek qt is better than it was two years ago, however you have to use object nav to go through the search results.

On 07/04/2018 19:34, JM Casey wrote:
Hi.
Nice to see some Soulseek users here. I haven't really touched it much with nVDA yet, but I have used it a fair bit with JAWS 18.
T
He issue described seems to be related to the mouse pointer not moving with the system caret or whatever when browsing files. It indeed does not happen in a search. Also, you can select files pretty easily, but when moving through a tree view of folders, it's harder to do. If you don't mind selecting files instead of entire folders, you can just use the applications key and download, I think, and the file your cursor is placed on will be selected.
No luck with Soulseek QT at all I suppose? I certainly couldn't get much useful out of it.
-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Orhan Deniz via Groups.Io
Sent: April 7, 2018 12:11 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda 2018.1 and soulseek ns?
Importance: High
Hi Ron,
This issue only occurs when browsing a users files. so say for instance:
there is a folder 1995, with nested folders below it, and the third one is called Folder C, I can move the navigator object to it, but as soon as i right click, it selects 1995 instead.
Orhan.
On 07/04/2018 08:04, Ron Canazzi wrote:
Hi Orhan,


I am not having this issue s such. From Windows 7 on up, I always had
to make sure that when in a list using Soulseek, I had to be sure to
be in object navigation mode and then to use the right mouse button
click when in a list of transfers and in a list of search results, I
use the context menu key. Just why this is, I do not know but it
works this way for years.





On 4/6/2018 5:02 PM, Orhan Deniz via Groups.Io wrote:
On windows 10, using soulseek ns 157, when moving the focus to the
current navigator object, in a users list of folders, slsk focuses on
the wrong folder. i have no other issues with ns and really don't
want to upgrade to qt. Anyone else experienced this and is it an nvda
or windows 10 issue? works fine on win 7.

Best, O.



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