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Re: Say all in word working in a strange way

Chris Mullins
 

Hi

Gene is correct, you use the shift key as a pause toggle when using the Say All command.  Pressing the control key stops the Say All command and it appears to leave the cursor at the point that Say All has red to.

 

Cheers

Chris  

 

From: Gene
Sent: 03 January 2021 14:17
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Say all in word working in a strange way

 

What happens if you stop reading with control?  While its slightly more

inconvenient to issue the read to end command again, that my work around the

problem until you may find a solution.  Also, isn't pause done with the

shift and not the arrow keys?  I haven't used the [pause or skim reading

feature but I believe you are using the incorrect command just to pause

reading.  I think its shift to pause, then shift to resume.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

-----Original Message-----

From: Declan Meenagh

Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2021 7:07 AM

To: nvda@groups.io

Subject: [nvda] Say all in word working in a strange way

 

 

 

Hello everyone.

 

Has anyone got the issue where after you hit say all (insert + down arrow)

and want to pause you hit down or right arrow and instead of moving cursor

to the bottom it moves it to the point where you started say all. This is

happening in large documents that are hard to navigate. Is there a way to

move the cursor to the end of the text?

 

I’m on windows 10 and office 365.

 

Thanks.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


Say next and previous sentence not working in Word

Cearbhall O'Meadhra
 

Hi, all,

I am using Windows 10, NVDA 2020.3 and Word 2016.

 

When I try to read the next or previous sentence in a Word document, using alt + down-Arrow, or alt + up-arrow, I get no response. Indeed when I turn on keyboard help, these key combinations get no echo. It appears that this function has been removed from NVDA! I opened the NVDA User Guide and it still says that alt-Down-arrow is to be used to say next sentence and alt-up-arrow for previous sentence.

 

Can anyone explain what is happening? Is the user guide out of step?

 

All the best,

 

Cearbhall

 

m +353 (0)833323487 Ph: _353 (0)1-2864623 e: cearbhall.omeadhra@...

 

 


Re: Say all in word working in a strange way

Cearbhall O'Meadhra
 

Declan,

 

I think you may be working in NVDA, is that right?

 

I recently had a  similar issue and I realised that if I stop “Say All” with down-arrow or any other key, the cursor reverts to its last known position, which was usually the start of “Say All”. The only way to get close to retaining the stopped position was to press the left or right control key once. This stops NVDA speaking without interfering with the cursor. I noticed that I would invariably find the active point at the beginning of the current line if not at the actual last word spoken.  This seemingly inaccurate behaviour has to do with the speed of the cursor navigator and the relatively slower response of the screen reader.

 

Perhaps you could raise this tomorrow at the FB-Exchange meeting?

All the best,

 

Cearbhall

 

m +353 (0)833323487 Ph: _353 (0)1-2864623 e: cearbhall.omeadhra@...

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Declan Meenagh
Sent: Sunday, January 3, 2021 1:07 PM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Say all in word working in a strange way

 

Hello everyone.

Has anyone got the issue where after you hit say all (insert + down arrow) and want to pause you hit down or right arrow and instead of moving cursor to the bottom it moves it to the point where you started say all. This is happening in large documents that are hard to navigate. Is there a way to move the cursor to the end of the text?

I’m on windows 10 and office 365.

Thanks.


Re: Say all in word working in a strange way

Gene
 

What happens if you stop reading with control? While its slightly more inconvenient to issue the read to end command again, that my work around the problem until you may find a solution. Also, isn't pause done with the shift and not the arrow keys? I haven't used the [pause or skim reading feature but I believe you are using the incorrect command just to pause reading. I think its shift to pause, then shift to resume.

Gene

----- Original Message -----
-----Original Message-----
From: Declan Meenagh
Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2021 7:07 AM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Say all in word working in a strange way



Hello everyone.

Has anyone got the issue where after you hit say all (insert + down arrow) and want to pause you hit down or right arrow and instead of moving cursor to the bottom it moves it to the point where you started say all. This is happening in large documents that are hard to navigate. Is there a way to move the cursor to the end of the text?

I’m on windows 10 and office 365.

Thanks.


Say all in word working in a strange way

Declan Meenagh
 

Hello everyone.

Has anyone got the issue where after you hit say all (insert + down arrow) and want to pause you hit down or right arrow and instead of moving cursor to the bottom it moves it to the point where you started say all. This is happening in large documents that are hard to navigate. Is there a way to move the cursor to the end of the text?

I’m on windows 10 and office 365.

Thanks.


Re: SPSS and NVDA

Lukasz Golonka
 

On Sun, 3 Jan 2021 14:02:56 +0800
"William" <xsuper.sillyx@gmail.com> wrote:

Sorry, I wanna clarify.
What Joseph meant that, JAB is packaged with NVDA.
But we still have to enable JAB through control center to make SPSS accessible ?
I can't comment on SPSS as such, but recent versions of NVDA not only
bundles JAB but also should activate it by default.

--
Regards
Lukasz


Re: Outlook 2016 NVDA not announcing To & CC fields separately

Ralf Kefferpuetz
 

Guys, was there anything unclear in my earlier response? Expand the header fields in Outlook once and the addon reads all the fields as required. Such simpel...

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Samstag, 2. Januar 2021 20:25
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Outlook 2016 NVDA not announcing To & CC fields separately

I don't know how the add-on works and I don't use Outlook. But what happens if you open a message and start tabbing backwards? See if you start moving through fields such as subject, and other fields including those you want to see.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Dennis L
Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2021 12:58 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Outlook 2016 NVDA not announcing To & CC fields separately

Other screen readers have this ability for years. NVDA should also have this ability.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ralf Kefferpuetz
Sent: Saturday, January 2, 2021 7:33 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Outlook 2016 NVDA not announcing To & CC fields separately

Hello,
There is nothing we can do from an addon perspective, you need to expand the outlook message header. Pls see this link:
https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/msoffice/forum/msoffice_outlook-mso_win10-mso_2016/show-to-and-cc-separately-in-open-message-in/7717805d-141a-4997-a440-0b1579752259?auth=1

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ramesh Patil
Sent: Samstag, 2. Januar 2021 09:41
To: nvda <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: [nvda] Outlook 2016 NVDA not announcing To & CC fields separately

Sir,

I am using NVDA and outlook 2016 with addon outlook extended. But by keystroke ALT + 3 NVDA will announce both To and CC fields of mail together.
we can not able to understand which mail id is of CC and which of To field.
Addon developer please guide or any other way to listen CC and To fields separately

Ramesh Patil


Re: SPSS and NVDA

mohammad suliman
 

Hi William,

Regarding the mailing list, yes, exactly, this is the one you linked to in a previous email.
Regarding the Java Access Bridge, sorry for my somewhat outdated comment, I forgot that recent versions of NVDA comes with I think a dll for the Java Access Bridge.
I don't want to provide inaccurate information, because it has been a while since I have worked with JAB, but I think the right thing to do, is to enable the JAB from the control panel as Lukasz has stated, and this should work as expected I guess. There were previously some problems after enabling the JAB this way, but I think NVDA knows now how to deal with this by bundling the necessary dll.
Let us know if this works for you!

Good luck!
Mohammad

On Sun, 3 Jan 2021 at 08:03, William <xsuper.sillyx@...> wrote:

Sorry, I wanna clarify.

What Joseph meant that, JAB is packaged with NVDA.

But we still have to enable JAB through control center to make SPSS accessible ?


Brian Vogel 於 3/1/2021 9:59 寫道:
On Sat, Jan 2, 2021 at 08:57 PM, William wrote:
According to Joseph, latest NVDA do have java access bridge packaged already, so I dont have to install java access bridge myself right?
-
That would be true, as I never installed it manually as a standalone thing.  But it was not activated on my system by default.  Lukasz gave the steps for doing that in Ease of Access previously.
 
--

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       ~ Brian Vogel

 


Re: SPSS and NVDA

William
 

Sorry, I wanna clarify.

What Joseph meant that, JAB is packaged with NVDA.

But we still have to enable JAB through control center to make SPSS accessible ?


Brian Vogel 於 3/1/2021 9:59 寫道:

On Sat, Jan 2, 2021 at 08:57 PM, William wrote:
According to Joseph, latest NVDA do have java access bridge packaged already, so I dont have to install java access bridge myself right?
-
That would be true, as I never installed it manually as a standalone thing.  But it was not activated on my system by default.  Lukasz gave the steps for doing that in Ease of Access previously.
 
--

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The depths of denial one can be pushed to by outside forces of disapproval can make you not even recognize yourself to yourself.

       ~ Brian Vogel

 


Re: SPSS and NVDA

 

On Sat, Jan 2, 2021 at 08:57 PM, William wrote:
According to Joseph, latest NVDA do have java access bridge packaged already, so I dont have to install java access bridge myself right?
-
That would be true, as I never installed it manually as a standalone thing.  But it was not activated on my system by default.  Lukasz gave the steps for doing that in Ease of Access previously.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

The depths of denial one can be pushed to by outside forces of disapproval can make you not even recognize yourself to yourself.

       ~ Brian Vogel

 


Re: SPSS and NVDA

William
 

Sorry, I am a bit loss.

According to Joseph, latest NVDA do have java access bridge packaged already, so I dont have to install java access bridge myself right?




Lukasz Golonka via groups.io 於 3/1/2021 6:00 寫道:

On Sat, 02 Jan 2021 13:26:42 -0800
"Brian Vogel" <britechguy@gmail.com> wrote:

While I'm not doubting you, this is even more bizarre.  That control panel entry, when opened, presents like virtually any other, and uses a Windows style, with tabs, that predates Windows 10 by years.  Why it should behave any differently is a mystery.
It's simply written in Java and without Access Bridge enabled no app
using Sphinx (default library for building GUI's in Java) can
communicate with screen readers.

Thanks also for the tip about CSE, which I suspect is right.  A restart didn't fix things, and I have since uninstalled.  I will eventually restart and reinstall, but since I have done that before, to no avail, I'm really not expecting a different result now.
Assuming that you want CSE to just run and you don't care about it being
accessible to screen readers you probably can just disable Java Access
Bridge from control panel, delete the file '.accessibility.properties'
from your %userprofile% and then try running CSE again. Make sure not to
launch NVDA after you do the disabling / deleting because it activates
JAB by default without any way to disable it.


Re: Learning about the Mandelbrot set

Tony Malykh
 

I like Access8Math add-on - works well for wikipedia formulas. But you still would need to be able to read math in order to understand it.

On 1/2/2021 12:43 PM, John J. Boyer wrote:
Hello,

I looked up the Mandelbrot set in Wikipedia. The formula for the set is in mathml. I know mathml, but this is too decorated to follow.
Is there any way to get the formula in UEB or even in plain Enblish?

Thanks,
John


Re: Learning about the Mandelbrot set

Jason White
 

On 1/2/21 3:43 PM, John J. Boyer wrote:
Is there any way to get the formula in UEB or even in plain Enblish?
Install MathPlayer 4, then revisit the Wikipedia page with NVDA. You should get Nemeth Code braille.


Re: SPSS and NVDA

Lukasz Golonka
 

On Sat, 02 Jan 2021 13:26:42 -0800
"Brian Vogel" <britechguy@gmail.com> wrote:

While I'm not doubting you, this is even more bizarre.  That control panel entry, when opened, presents like virtually any other, and uses a Windows style, with tabs, that predates Windows 10 by years.  Why it should behave any differently is a mystery.
It's simply written in Java and without Access Bridge enabled no app
using Sphinx (default library for building GUI's in Java) can
communicate with screen readers.

Thanks also for the tip about CSE, which I suspect is right.  A restart didn't fix things, and I have since uninstalled.  I will eventually restart and reinstall, but since I have done that before, to no avail, I'm really not expecting a different result now.
Assuming that you want CSE to just run and you don't care about it being
accessible to screen readers you probably can just disable Java Access
Bridge from control panel, delete the file '.accessibility.properties'
from your %userprofile% and then try running CSE again. Make sure not to
launch NVDA after you do the disabling / deleting because it activates
JAB by default without any way to disable it.


--
Regards
Lukasz


Re: SPSS and NVDA

 

On Sat, Jan 2, 2021 at 03:26 PM, Lukasz Golonka wrote:
This is quite logical - without Access Bridge enabled Java control panel is not accessible so placing a control for enabling it there would not work for anyone using a screen reader.
-
While I'm not doubting you, this is even more bizarre.  That control panel entry, when opened, presents like virtually any other, and uses a Windows style, with tabs, that predates Windows 10 by years.  Why it should behave any differently is a mystery.

And even if it is not accessible, there are many sighted techs who set up machines for use with screen readers.  Having at least "two roads to Rome" for this makes sense to me.

Thanks also for the tip about CSE, which I suspect is right.  A restart didn't fix things, and I have since uninstalled.  I will eventually restart and reinstall, but since I have done that before, to no avail, I'm really not expecting a different result now.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

The depths of denial one can be pushed to by outside forces of disapproval can make you not even recognize yourself to yourself.

       ~ Brian Vogel

 


Re: Outlook 2016 NVDA not announcing To & CC fields separately

Dennis L <dennisl1982@...>
 

I agree.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Saturday, January 2, 2021 2:55 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Outlook 2016 NVDA not announcing To & CC fields
separately

As I recall, the Thunderbird add-on has four commands for the fields to be
read all separately, to, from, cc, and bcc.

I disagree with your assertion on grounds of efficiency. It is slower to
shift tab back to the fields in question, then tab back to the document.
Sighted people can just look at the fields. Why shouldn't blind people have
a command that reads the one desired?

I think its good to know how to move through the fields whether you know
screen-reader commands or not but that's a different question.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Sarah k Alawami
Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2021 1:24 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Outlook 2016 NVDA not announcing To & CC fields
separately



I actually disagree. if you can expand both fields per the article then
there is no need for nvda to do this.

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On 2 Jan 2021, at 10:58, Dennis L wrote:



Other screen readers have this ability for years. NVDA should also have this
ability.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io nvda@nvda.groups.io On Behalf Of Ralf Kefferpuetz
Sent: Saturday, January 2, 2021 7:33 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Outlook 2016 NVDA not announcing To & CC fields
separately

Hello,
There is nothing we can do from an addon perspective, you need to expand the
outlook message header. Pls see this link:
https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/msoffice/forum/msoffice_outlook-mso_win1
0-mso_2016/show-to-and-cc-separately-in-open-message-in/7717805d-141a-4997-a
440-0b1579752259?auth=1

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io nvda@nvda.groups.io On Behalf Of Ramesh Patil
Sent: Samstag, 2. Januar 2021 09:41
To: nvda nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Outlook 2016 NVDA not announcing To & CC fields separately

Sir,

I am using NVDA and outlook 2016 with addon outlook extended. But by
keystroke ALT + 3 NVDA will announce both To and CC fields of mail together.

we can not able to understand which mail id is of CC and which of To field.
Addon developer please guide or any other way to listen CC and To fields
separately

Ramesh Patil


Learning about the Mandelbrot set

John J. Boyer
 

Hello,

I looked up the Mandelbrot set in Wikipedia. The formula for the set is in mathml. I know mathml, but this is too decorated to follow.
Is there any way to get the formula in UEB or even in plain Enblish?

Thanks,
John

--
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Email: john.boyer@abilitiessoft.org
website: http://www.abilitiessoft.org
Status: Company dissolved but website and email addresses live.
Location: Madison, Wisconsin, USA
Mission: developing assistive technology software and providing STEM services
that are available at no cost


Re: SPSS and NVDA

Lukasz Golonka
 

On Sat, 02 Jan 2021 12:12:02 -0800
"Brian Vogel" <britechguy@gmail.com> wrote:

Lukasz,

        Thank you, very much.  I definitely would never have thought to look in the Ease of Access settings, and buried under the Use your computer without a screen link, for enabling Java Access Bridge.  It was there exactly as you stated, and I am on Windows 10 Version 20H2.
Back in the day when Oracle actually cared about Java on desktop it was
documented on their website, no idea how this is now.


         I'm actually shocked that this does not show up in some obvious spot in the actual Java settings accessed from Control Panel, but I'll be darned if I could find it when I checked.
This is quite logical - without Access Bridge enabled Java control panel
is not accessible so placing a control for enabling it there would not
work for anyone using a screen reader.


         I'm still getting the error from Crucial Storage Executive, but I have not restarted my system yet because tweaking that setting did not indicate this was necessary.  But I've long ago learned that sometimes certain settings are not recognized unless they were in place at the immediately previous boot time.
This one definitely requires a restart, or at least logging out and back
in to apply properly.
Looking at your log for Crucial Storage executive however I very much
doubt having Java Access Bridge enabled would improve the situation. TO
me it looks like whatever version of Java is bundled with CSE has
incomplete installation of Access Bridge.

--
Regards
Lukasz


Re: SPSS and NVDA

 

Lukasz,

        Thank you, very much.  I definitely would never have thought to look in the Ease of Access settings, and buried under the Use your computer without a screen link, for enabling Java Access Bridge.  It was there exactly as you stated, and I am on Windows 10 Version 20H2.

         I'm actually shocked that this does not show up in some obvious spot in the actual Java settings accessed from Control Panel, but I'll be darned if I could find it when I checked.

         I'm still getting the error from Crucial Storage Executive, but I have not restarted my system yet because tweaking that setting did not indicate this was necessary.  But I've long ago learned that sometimes certain settings are not recognized unless they were in place at the immediately previous boot time.
--

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The depths of denial one can be pushed to by outside forces of disapproval can make you not even recognize yourself to yourself.

       ~ Brian Vogel

 


Re: Outlook 2016 NVDA not announcing To & CC fields separately

Sarah k Alawami
 

It's not necessarily slower per-say depending on how quickly you have things set up. I can read at over 2-300 wpm so for me it is faster for me to back tab and tab etc.

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On 2 Jan 2021, at 11:54, Gene wrote:

As I recall, the Thunderbird add-on has four commands for the fields to be read all separately, to, from, cc, and bcc.

I disagree with your assertion on grounds of efficiency. It is slower to shift tab back to the fields in question, then tab back to the document. Sighted people can just look at the fields. Why shouldn't blind people have a command that reads the one desired?

I think its good to know how to move through the fields whether you know screen-reader commands or not but that's a different question.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Sarah k Alawami
Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2021 1:24 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Outlook 2016 NVDA not announcing To & CC fields separately

I actually disagree. if you can expand both fields per the article then there is no need for nvda to do this.

--

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Check out my adventures with a shadow machine.

to subscribe to the feed click here and you can also follow us on twitter

Our discord is where you will know when we go live on twitch. Feel free to give the channel a follow and see what is up there.

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On 2 Jan 2021, at 10:58, Dennis L wrote:

Other screen readers have this ability for years. NVDA should also have this ability.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io nvda@nvda.groups.io On Behalf Of Ralf Kefferpuetz
Sent: Saturday, January 2, 2021 7:33 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Outlook 2016 NVDA not announcing To & CC fields separately

Hello,
There is nothing we can do from an addon perspective, you need to expand the outlook message header. Pls see this link:
https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/msoffice/forum/msoffice_outlook-mso_win10-mso_2016/show-to-and-cc-separately-in-open-message-in/7717805d-141a-4997-a440-0b1579752259?auth=1

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io nvda@nvda.groups.io On Behalf Of Ramesh Patil
Sent: Samstag, 2. Januar 2021 09:41
To: nvda nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Outlook 2016 NVDA not announcing To & CC fields separately

Sir,

I am using NVDA and outlook 2016 with addon outlook extended. But by keystroke ALT + 3 NVDA will announce both To and CC fields of mail together. we can not able to understand which mail id is of CC and which of To field. Addon developer please guide or any other way to listen CC and To fields separately

Ramesh Patil

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