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Re: NVDA still say unknown

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Hmm. I haven't installed any new programs or updated anything. It might be possible that a sighted person might need to look at this and see what's going on. I do know from past experiences that in Jaws when you want to exit a program, you hit alt f-4 and then go to the desktop with windows key M.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Friday, April 6, 2018 1:51 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA still say unknown

 

In my experience, exiting programs often doesn't take you to the desktop.  Others may wish to comment.  it's possible that, for somereason, a window is present that isn't visible to the screen-reader.  This window may be the result of a program running in the background.  Have you installed any programs or updated anything around the time the problem started?  Unless you think you have malware or have some other problem, this may well be just a change caused by something, a new program, some sort of update, something that means nothing other than that maybe a window is being displayed that makes you not return to the desktop as often as you expect. 

 

You may be hearing unknown because a window, not recognized by NVDA is getting focus.  You may get the answer most easily by having a sighted person see what's on screen when you close a program. 

 

While this may indicate a problem such as malware, it may indicate nothing except a change in something that affects screen-readers but doesn't affect anything from a sighted users' perspective. 

 

Others may have other comments and suggestions. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Friday, April 06, 2018 3:39 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA still say unknown

 

I'm talking about exiting programs. I know how to get to the desktop with alt f-4 or windows D but in the past when I've exited programs, I was taken back to the desktop.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Friday, April 6, 2018 1:34 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA still say unknown

 

What are you referring to?  You said alt f4 to get to the desktop.  Alt f4 closes programs.  It doesn't take you to the desktop.  It often leaves you nowhere.  You have to use the usual Windows key d and Windows key m to move to the desktop.  What exactly is the problem?  You said you hear unknown.  What do you do after that and what happens?

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Friday, April 06, 2018 3:29 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA still say unknown

 

Hi, Gene,

 

I'm trying narrator right now. I'll see what happens when I hit alt f-4 to get to the desktop.

 

Rosemarie

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Friday, April 6, 2018 1:04 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA still say unknown

 

Yesterday, your message appeared to indicate that you can carry out the action by issuing the command twice, as in issuing alt f4 twice.  Is that correct? 

 

Have you determined if this is an NVDA problem?  Have you tried the same commands in the same contexts using Narrator or JAWS?  Is there a need to issue them twice?  Also, have you tried an earlier version of NVDA that used to work correctly?  What happens? 

 

Just having to issue a command twice is a very easy work around.  If that's all that is necessary, this may be one of those small problems where there is a very easy work around and the time and effort involved to try to solve them isn't worth expending.  Not every problem needs to be solved.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Friday, April 06, 2018 1:58 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA still say unknown

 

Hi, Gene,

 

I tried waiting for 10 seconds and nothing happened. I don't know what else to try.

 

Rosemarie

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Friday, April 6, 2018 11:52 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA still say unknown

 

Is this a problem that means anything or is it just something being spoken that means nothing?  When you hear unknown, if you just do nothing for a number of seconds, does what you expect to happen happen? 

 

NVDA often says unknown and then, when you wait for a brief time, whatever is supposed to happen happens.  Have you tested to see what happens?  When you hear unknown, wait ten seconds to see if whatever is supposed to happen happens.  Yesterday, you said something about having to issue a program close command twice.  What we don't know is if the second time is doing anything.  If you just wait many seconds and don't do anything, you may find that what you expect to happen happens.  Part of being a good blind computer user is to know what matters and what doesn't.  So far, we don't know if this matters or is just irrelevant speech.

 

There may be nothing to be done at this time except to ignore it. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Friday, April 06, 2018 1:05 PM

Subject: [nvda] NVDA still say unknown

 

Hi, everyone,

 

I just updated to the latest add-on but that didn't help at all. I don't know what else to try. Any suggestions will be very much appreciated.

 

Thanks in advance.

 

Rosemarie

 

 

 


Re: NVDA still say unknown

Gene
 

In my experience, exiting programs often doesn't take you to the desktop.  Others may wish to comment.  it's possible that, for somereason, a window is present that isn't visible to the screen-reader.  This window may be the result of a program running in the background.  Have you installed any programs or updated anything around the time the problem started?  Unless you think you have malware or have some other problem, this may well be just a change caused by something, a new program, some sort of update, something that means nothing other than that maybe a window is being displayed that makes you not return to the desktop as often as you expect. 
 
You may be hearing unknown because a window, not recognized by NVDA is getting focus.  You may get the answer most easily by having a sighted person see what's on screen when you close a program. 
 
While this may indicate a problem such as malware, it may indicate nothing except a change in something that affects screen-readers but doesn't affect anything from a sighted users' perspective. 
 
Others may have other comments and suggestions. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, April 06, 2018 3:39 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA still say unknown

I'm talking about exiting programs. I know how to get to the desktop with alt f-4 or windows D but in the past when I've exited programs, I was taken back to the desktop.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Friday, April 6, 2018 1:34 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA still say unknown

 

What are you referring to?  You said alt f4 to get to the desktop.  Alt f4 closes programs.  It doesn't take you to the desktop.  It often leaves you nowhere.  You have to use the usual Windows key d and Windows key m to move to the desktop.  What exactly is the problem?  You said you hear unknown.  What do you do after that and what happens?

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Friday, April 06, 2018 3:29 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA still say unknown

 

Hi, Gene,

 

I'm trying narrator right now. I'll see what happens when I hit alt f-4 to get to the desktop.

 

Rosemarie

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Friday, April 6, 2018 1:04 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA still say unknown

 

Yesterday, your message appeared to indicate that you can carry out the action by issuing the command twice, as in issuing alt f4 twice.  Is that correct? 

 

Have you determined if this is an NVDA problem?  Have you tried the same commands in the same contexts using Narrator or JAWS?  Is there a need to issue them twice?  Also, have you tried an earlier version of NVDA that used to work correctly?  What happens? 

 

Just having to issue a command twice is a very easy work around.  If that's all that is necessary, this may be one of those small problems where there is a very easy work around and the time and effort involved to try to solve them isn't worth expending.  Not every problem needs to be solved.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Friday, April 06, 2018 1:58 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA still say unknown

 

Hi, Gene,

 

I tried waiting for 10 seconds and nothing happened. I don't know what else to try.

 

Rosemarie

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Friday, April 6, 2018 11:52 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA still say unknown

 

Is this a problem that means anything or is it just something being spoken that means nothing?  When you hear unknown, if you just do nothing for a number of seconds, does what you expect to happen happen? 

 

NVDA often says unknown and then, when you wait for a brief time, whatever is supposed to happen happens.  Have you tested to see what happens?  When you hear unknown, wait ten seconds to see if whatever is supposed to happen happens.  Yesterday, you said something about having to issue a program close command twice.  What we don't know is if the second time is doing anything.  If you just wait many seconds and don't do anything, you may find that what you expect to happen happens.  Part of being a good blind computer user is to know what matters and what doesn't.  So far, we don't know if this matters or is just irrelevant speech.

 

There may be nothing to be done at this time except to ignore it. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Friday, April 06, 2018 1:05 PM

Subject: [nvda] NVDA still say unknown

 

Hi, everyone,

 

I just updated to the latest add-on but that didn't help at all. I don't know what else to try. Any suggestions will be very much appreciated.

 

Thanks in advance.

 

Rosemarie

 

 

 


Re: NVDA still say unknown

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

I'm talking about exiting programs. I know how to get to the desktop with alt f-4 or windows D but in the past when I've exited programs, I was taken back to the desktop.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Friday, April 6, 2018 1:34 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA still say unknown

 

What are you referring to?  You said alt f4 to get to the desktop.  Alt f4 closes programs.  It doesn't take you to the desktop.  It often leaves you nowhere.  You have to use the usual Windows key d and Windows key m to move to the desktop.  What exactly is the problem?  You said you hear unknown.  What do you do after that and what happens?

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Friday, April 06, 2018 3:29 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA still say unknown

 

Hi, Gene,

 

I'm trying narrator right now. I'll see what happens when I hit alt f-4 to get to the desktop.

 

Rosemarie

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Friday, April 6, 2018 1:04 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA still say unknown

 

Yesterday, your message appeared to indicate that you can carry out the action by issuing the command twice, as in issuing alt f4 twice.  Is that correct? 

 

Have you determined if this is an NVDA problem?  Have you tried the same commands in the same contexts using Narrator or JAWS?  Is there a need to issue them twice?  Also, have you tried an earlier version of NVDA that used to work correctly?  What happens? 

 

Just having to issue a command twice is a very easy work around.  If that's all that is necessary, this may be one of those small problems where there is a very easy work around and the time and effort involved to try to solve them isn't worth expending.  Not every problem needs to be solved.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Friday, April 06, 2018 1:58 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA still say unknown

 

Hi, Gene,

 

I tried waiting for 10 seconds and nothing happened. I don't know what else to try.

 

Rosemarie

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Friday, April 6, 2018 11:52 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA still say unknown

 

Is this a problem that means anything or is it just something being spoken that means nothing?  When you hear unknown, if you just do nothing for a number of seconds, does what you expect to happen happen? 

 

NVDA often says unknown and then, when you wait for a brief time, whatever is supposed to happen happens.  Have you tested to see what happens?  When you hear unknown, wait ten seconds to see if whatever is supposed to happen happens.  Yesterday, you said something about having to issue a program close command twice.  What we don't know is if the second time is doing anything.  If you just wait many seconds and don't do anything, you may find that what you expect to happen happens.  Part of being a good blind computer user is to know what matters and what doesn't.  So far, we don't know if this matters or is just irrelevant speech.

 

There may be nothing to be done at this time except to ignore it. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Friday, April 06, 2018 1:05 PM

Subject: [nvda] NVDA still say unknown

 

Hi, everyone,

 

I just updated to the latest add-on but that didn't help at all. I don't know what else to try. Any suggestions will be very much appreciated.

 

Thanks in advance.

 

Rosemarie

 

 

 


Re: NVDA still say unknown

Gene
 

What are you referring to?  You said alt f4 to get to the desktop.  Alt f4 closes programs.  It doesn't take you to the desktop.  It often leaves you nowhere.  You have to use the usual Windows key d and Windows key m to move to the desktop.  What exactly is the problem?  You said you hear unknown.  What do you do after that and what happens?
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, April 06, 2018 3:29 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA still say unknown

Hi, Gene,

 

I'm trying narrator right now. I'll see what happens when I hit alt f-4 to get to the desktop.

 

Rosemarie

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Friday, April 6, 2018 1:04 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA still say unknown

 

Yesterday, your message appeared to indicate that you can carry out the action by issuing the command twice, as in issuing alt f4 twice.  Is that correct? 

 

Have you determined if this is an NVDA problem?  Have you tried the same commands in the same contexts using Narrator or JAWS?  Is there a need to issue them twice?  Also, have you tried an earlier version of NVDA that used to work correctly?  What happens? 

 

Just having to issue a command twice is a very easy work around.  If that's all that is necessary, this may be one of those small problems where there is a very easy work around and the time and effort involved to try to solve them isn't worth expending.  Not every problem needs to be solved.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Friday, April 06, 2018 1:58 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA still say unknown

 

Hi, Gene,

 

I tried waiting for 10 seconds and nothing happened. I don't know what else to try.

 

Rosemarie

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Friday, April 6, 2018 11:52 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA still say unknown

 

Is this a problem that means anything or is it just something being spoken that means nothing?  When you hear unknown, if you just do nothing for a number of seconds, does what you expect to happen happen? 

 

NVDA often says unknown and then, when you wait for a brief time, whatever is supposed to happen happens.  Have you tested to see what happens?  When you hear unknown, wait ten seconds to see if whatever is supposed to happen happens.  Yesterday, you said something about having to issue a program close command twice.  What we don't know is if the second time is doing anything.  If you just wait many seconds and don't do anything, you may find that what you expect to happen happens.  Part of being a good blind computer user is to know what matters and what doesn't.  So far, we don't know if this matters or is just irrelevant speech.

 

There may be nothing to be done at this time except to ignore it. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Friday, April 06, 2018 1:05 PM

Subject: [nvda] NVDA still say unknown

 

Hi, everyone,

 

I just updated to the latest add-on but that didn't help at all. I don't know what else to try. Any suggestions will be very much appreciated.

 

Thanks in advance.

 

Rosemarie

 

 

 


Re: NVDA still say unknown

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Hi, Gene,

 

I'm trying narrator right now. I'll see what happens when I hit alt f-4 to get to the desktop.

 

Rosemarie

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Friday, April 6, 2018 1:04 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA still say unknown

 

Yesterday, your message appeared to indicate that you can carry out the action by issuing the command twice, as in issuing alt f4 twice.  Is that correct? 

 

Have you determined if this is an NVDA problem?  Have you tried the same commands in the same contexts using Narrator or JAWS?  Is there a need to issue them twice?  Also, have you tried an earlier version of NVDA that used to work correctly?  What happens? 

 

Just having to issue a command twice is a very easy work around.  If that's all that is necessary, this may be one of those small problems where there is a very easy work around and the time and effort involved to try to solve them isn't worth expending.  Not every problem needs to be solved.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Friday, April 06, 2018 1:58 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA still say unknown

 

Hi, Gene,

 

I tried waiting for 10 seconds and nothing happened. I don't know what else to try.

 

Rosemarie

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Friday, April 6, 2018 11:52 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA still say unknown

 

Is this a problem that means anything or is it just something being spoken that means nothing?  When you hear unknown, if you just do nothing for a number of seconds, does what you expect to happen happen? 

 

NVDA often says unknown and then, when you wait for a brief time, whatever is supposed to happen happens.  Have you tested to see what happens?  When you hear unknown, wait ten seconds to see if whatever is supposed to happen happens.  Yesterday, you said something about having to issue a program close command twice.  What we don't know is if the second time is doing anything.  If you just wait many seconds and don't do anything, you may find that what you expect to happen happens.  Part of being a good blind computer user is to know what matters and what doesn't.  So far, we don't know if this matters or is just irrelevant speech.

 

There may be nothing to be done at this time except to ignore it. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Friday, April 06, 2018 1:05 PM

Subject: [nvda] NVDA still say unknown

 

Hi, everyone,

 

I just updated to the latest add-on but that didn't help at all. I don't know what else to try. Any suggestions will be very much appreciated.

 

Thanks in advance.

 

Rosemarie

 

 

 


Re: NVDA still say unknown

Gene
 

Yesterday, your message appeared to indicate that you can carry out the action by issuing the command twice, as in issuing alt f4 twice.  Is that correct? 
 
Have you determined if this is an NVDA problem?  Have you tried the same commands in the same contexts using Narrator or JAWS?  Is there a need to issue them twice?  Also, have you tried an earlier version of NVDA that used to work correctly?  What happens? 
 
Just having to issue a command twice is a very easy work around.  If that's all that is necessary, this may be one of those small problems where there is a very easy work around and the time and effort involved to try to solve them isn't worth expending.  Not every problem needs to be solved.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, April 06, 2018 1:58 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA still say unknown

Hi, Gene,

 

I tried waiting for 10 seconds and nothing happened. I don't know what else to try.

 

Rosemarie

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Friday, April 6, 2018 11:52 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA still say unknown

 

Is this a problem that means anything or is it just something being spoken that means nothing?  When you hear unknown, if you just do nothing for a number of seconds, does what you expect to happen happen? 

 

NVDA often says unknown and then, when you wait for a brief time, whatever is supposed to happen happens.  Have you tested to see what happens?  When you hear unknown, wait ten seconds to see if whatever is supposed to happen happens.  Yesterday, you said something about having to issue a program close command twice.  What we don't know is if the second time is doing anything.  If you just wait many seconds and don't do anything, you may find that what you expect to happen happens.  Part of being a good blind computer user is to know what matters and what doesn't.  So far, we don't know if this matters or is just irrelevant speech.

 

There may be nothing to be done at this time except to ignore it. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Friday, April 06, 2018 1:05 PM

Subject: [nvda] NVDA still say unknown

 

Hi, everyone,

 

I just updated to the latest add-on but that didn't help at all. I don't know what else to try. Any suggestions will be very much appreciated.

 

Thanks in advance.

 

Rosemarie

 

 

 


Re: NVDA still say unknown

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Hi, Gene,

 

I tried waiting for 10 seconds and nothing happened. I don't know what else to try.

 

Rosemarie

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Friday, April 6, 2018 11:52 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA still say unknown

 

Is this a problem that means anything or is it just something being spoken that means nothing?  When you hear unknown, if you just do nothing for a number of seconds, does what you expect to happen happen? 

 

NVDA often says unknown and then, when you wait for a brief time, whatever is supposed to happen happens.  Have you tested to see what happens?  When you hear unknown, wait ten seconds to see if whatever is supposed to happen happens.  Yesterday, you said something about having to issue a program close command twice.  What we don't know is if the second time is doing anything.  If you just wait many seconds and don't do anything, you may find that what you expect to happen happens.  Part of being a good blind computer user is to know what matters and what doesn't.  So far, we don't know if this matters or is just irrelevant speech.

 

There may be nothing to be done at this time except to ignore it. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Friday, April 06, 2018 1:05 PM

Subject: [nvda] NVDA still say unknown

 

Hi, everyone,

 

I just updated to the latest add-on but that didn't help at all. I don't know what else to try. Any suggestions will be very much appreciated.

 

Thanks in advance.

 

Rosemarie

 

 

 


Re: Performing NVDA Commands From Laptop

Janet Brandly
 

Hi Laurie,
Thanks for this info. I'll try it using some of the commands i need to perform hopefully without tying my fingers in knots, LOL.
Janet

-----Original Message-----
From: Laurie Mehta via Groups.Io
Sent: Friday, April 6, 2018 12:19 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Performing NVDA Commands From Laptop

Hi Janet,
I also use a laptop that has an abbreviated keyboard, although it is not the same type that you have.
On mine, pressing function along with the arrow keys produces the functions you mentioned.
Function with up arrow performs page up.
Function with down arrow produces page down.
Function with left arrow produces home.
Function with right arrow produces end.
You might try these to see if they behave the same way on your machine?

Good luck,
Laurie


--------------------------------------------
On Thu, 4/5/18, Janet Brandly <jbrandly@shaw.ca> wrote:

Subject: Re: [nvda] Performing NVDA Commands From Laptop
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Date: Thursday, April 5, 2018, 4:14 PM

Hello Antony,
Thank you for getting back to me. My laptop is
an Asus-not sure if I'm
spelling that
correctly-not sure of the model number but it's about 4
years
old. It has a function key on the
bottom row on the left between the control
and windows keys. On the lower right, beside
the control key, are the arrow
keys which
are arranged in an up-side-down T. Any asistance you can
offer
would be much appreciated.
Janet

-----Original Message-----
From: Antony Stone
Sent:
Thursday, April 5, 2018 4:37 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Performing NVDA Commands
From Laptop

I believe all
laptops have these key functions, even if they do not
have
dedicated keys for them.

Most laptops have some sort of
"function" key which acts as a modifier (in
the
same way as shift, control,
or alt) to change the meaning of the key it is
pressed in combination with, and some of the
keys on your keyboard, when
used
with this function modifier, will almost
certainly act as home, end, etc.

Tell us precisely which make and model of
laptop you have, and we may be
able
to suggest where the function key and the
modified keys for these meanings
are.


Regards,


Antony.

On Thursday 05 April 2018 at
23:22:48, Janet Brandly wrote:

Hello,
How do I
perform those NVDA commands which require the “home”,
“end”,
“page-up” or
“page-down” keys from a laptop without these keys on
its
keybord? Thanks,
Janet
--

Tinned food was developed for the British
Navy in 1813.

The tin
opener was not invented until 1858.


Please reply to the list;

please *don't* CC

me.


Re: NVDA still say unknown

Gene
 

Is this a problem that means anything or is it just something being spoken that means nothing?  When you hear unknown, if you just do nothing for a number of seconds, does what you expect to happen happen? 
 
NVDA often says unknown and then, when you wait for a brief time, whatever is supposed to happen happens.  Have you tested to see what happens?  When you hear unknown, wait ten seconds to see if whatever is supposed to happen happens.  Yesterday, you said something about having to issue a program close command twice.  What we don't know is if the second time is doing anything.  If you just wait many seconds and don't do anything, you may find that what you expect to happen happens.  Part of being a good blind computer user is to know what matters and what doesn't.  So far, we don't know if this matters or is just irrelevant speech.
 
There may be nothing to be done at this time except to ignore it. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, April 06, 2018 1:05 PM
Subject: [nvda] NVDA still say unknown

Hi, everyone,

 

I just updated to the latest add-on but that didn't help at all. I don't know what else to try. Any suggestions will be very much appreciated.

 

Thanks in advance.

 

Rosemarie

 

 

 


NVDA still say unknown

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Hi, everyone,

 

I just updated to the latest add-on but that didn't help at all. I don't know what else to try. Any suggestions will be very much appreciated.

 

Thanks in advance.

 

Rosemarie

 

 

 


Re: NVDA says "unknown" when I get out of programs

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Hi, Brian,

I updated to the latest version of the NVDA essentials add-on and that did
the trick. Now I'm not hearing "unknown".

Rosemarie

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian's
Mail list account via Groups.Io
Sent: Friday, April 6, 2018 1:26 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA says "unknown" when I get out of programs

Sounds like an unknown window is in the way that does. When in the unknown
bit what does an nvda/f1 log show?
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Rosemarie Chavarria" <knitqueen2007@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2018 10:00 PM
Subject: [nvda] NVDA says "unknown" when I get out of programs


Hi, everyone,



Whenever I exit a program like outlookor internet explorer, NVDA says
"unknown". I have to hit alt F-4 twice to get back to the desktop. Is
there
a setting I might need to change in NVDA? I haven't had this happen
before.
I'm using NVDA 2018.1.1.



Thanks for your help in advance.



Rosemarie






Re: NVDA says "unknown" when I get out of programs

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

I got it.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Chris via Groups.Io
Sent: Friday, April 6, 2018 10:27 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA says "unknown" when I get out of programs

 

Here it is:

https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/wintenApps.en.html

 

 

From: Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: 06 April 2018 17:47
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA says "unknown" when I get out of programs

 

I tried to find that add-on but I'm not sure where to look for it.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Chris via Groups.Io
Sent: Friday, April 6, 2018 1:42 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA says "unknown" when I get out of programs

 

 

The latest win10 app essentials add-on address’s this issue

 

----- Original Message -----

From: "Rosemarie Chavarria" <knitqueen2007@...>

To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>

Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2018 10:00 PM

Subject: [nvda] NVDA says "unknown" when I get out of programs

 

 

> Hi, everyone,

> Whenever I exit a program like outlookor internet explorer, NVDA says

> "unknown". I have to hit alt F-4 twice to get back to the desktop. Is

> there

> a setting I might need to change in NVDA? I haven't had this happen

> before.

> I'm using NVDA 2018.1.1.

> Thanks for your help in advance.

> Rosemarie

>

 

 

 

 

 


Re: NVDA says "unknown" when I get out of programs

Chris
 

From: Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: 06 April 2018 17:47
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA says "unknown" when I get out of programs

 

I tried to find that add-on but I'm not sure where to look for it.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Chris via Groups.Io
Sent: Friday, April 6, 2018 1:42 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA says "unknown" when I get out of programs

 

 

The latest win10 app essentials add-on address’s this issue

 

----- Original Message -----

From: "Rosemarie Chavarria" <knitqueen2007@...>

To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>

Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2018 10:00 PM

Subject: [nvda] NVDA says "unknown" when I get out of programs

 

 

> Hi, everyone,

> Whenever I exit a program like outlookor internet explorer, NVDA says

> "unknown". I have to hit alt F-4 twice to get back to the desktop. Is

> there

> a setting I might need to change in NVDA? I haven't had this happen

> before.

> I'm using NVDA 2018.1.1.

> Thanks for your help in advance.

> Rosemarie

>

 

 

 

 

 


Re: announcing end of lines in Scite editor

Gene
 

I don't have the technical knowledge to explain the different information you get and in what order without taking notes and transcribing the information NVDA provides.  I'll say that, if you turn input help on, then press numpad 2, you will hear a description of what happens when you press that key once, twice, or three times quickly.  You just have to press it once when input help is on and all three descriptions will be given.  Pressing the key three times gives you codes for the character you are on when you press that key.  It doesn't matter how you are reviewing the screen.  Any character that you are on will be described.
 
I'm giving desktop layout commands for input help and the current character command.  I don't use the laptop layout.
 
I just found something interesting.  It appears that such information may not be available for control characters.  It would be interesting to get an explanation of why.  I tried using the current character on a hard return.  I just heard blank, no matter how I used the command.  Evidently, control characters fall outside of the code NVDA reports.
 
\Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, April 06, 2018 11:57 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] announcing end of lines in Scite editor

Would it be possible to use review cursor's Say Character and see what the UNICODE is that is being spoken as "blank" and then add it to a dictionary as a different expression? I haven't played with NVDA enough to know. Or perhaps even just the regular expression .$ could be used in a dictionary?



On 4/6/18, 11:41 AM, "nvda@nvda.groups.io on behalf of Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io" <nvda@nvda.groups.io on behalf of bglists@...> wrote:

    Hmm what I see is nothing is spoken when you hit return, and if you leave a
    line empty it just says blank, much like many editors. This tool behaves a
    bit like the editor used by Dolphins scripting system as I recall.
   
   
    Brian
   
    bglists@...
    Sent via blueyonder.
    Please address personal E-mail to:-
    briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
    in the display name field.
    ----- Original Message -----
    From: "Jiří Fenz" <jirifenz@...>
    To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
    Sent: Friday, April 06, 2018 10:27 AM
    Subject: Re: [nvda] announcing end of lines in Scite editor
   
   
    >I think that it's only about gui element behaviour.
    >
    > Announcing empty instead of New line is the same regardless on lf, cr or
    > crlf end of line.
    >
    > So i think that solving this is about advanced configuration of Scite to
    > change how the eol symbol is viewed or forcing autoit to recognize that
    > actual symbol as standart new line.
    >
    > Here is link for portable version of Scite i'm using, if someone want to
    > try it directly.
    >
    > https://www.autoitscript.com/cgi-bin/getfile.pl?../autoit3/scite/download/SciTE4AutoIt3_Portable.zip
    >
    > Jiri Fenz
    >
    >
    >
    > Dne 06.04.2018 v 10:56 Shaun Everiss napsal(a):
    >> Well it depends I guess you have to look in the editer options it
    >> would have to do with how the symbon is rendered for nvda to read.
    >>
    >> Simplest way would be if there was a dictenary for that program if you
    >> can have a spaciffic definition for a particular program I am not sure
    >> if thats possible, but you could define the word empty to end of line
    >> or do it for the global deffinition and when anything is empty it will
    >> be end of line instead.
    >>
    >> Thats not going to really work that well.
    >>
    >> We need to find what that symbol actually is that is generated.
    >>
    >> Is it generating the standard carrage return or linefead, cr/lf symbol
    >> for example.
    >>
    >> crlf symbols usually at least when I did communications and things
    >> back in dos usually mean, new line, line end, end of line or simply an
    >> empty space depending on the os, unix/linux, windows or dos.
    >>
    >> In these days, windows/dos has almost the same charset with windows
    >> having more of them and linux has a few more.
    >>
    >> However depending what this thing was developed for, ie unix that
    >> could explain the issue you are having, things are translated that
    >> symbol may not be translated as such so there may be that issue to
    >> worry about.
    >>
    >> Ofcause if you can get a document with just that symbon in it and send
    >> it at whoever handles the symbol database then it should be ok.
    >>
    >> What happens if you create a document with a few new lines or line
    >> breaks in them and view it in another text editor.
    >>
    >> Ie notepad, if the symbol is still empty, then its a symbol issue but
    >> if the symbol is read correctly, it could simbly be what the editor is
    >> outputting to be translated in which case not much we can do.
    >>
    >> If the symbol from scyte you get in notepad back is just utter crap
    >> then it could be an untranslated symbol probably from unix or something.
    >>
    >> The next thing to do is send it back here and get someone to find out
    >> what that symbol comes from, latx for example has different symbols to
    >> text and other programs may have different symbols based on age to a
    >> point, etc.
    >>
    >> So if you find that out then the symbol can be added and your issue is
    >> solved.
    >>
    >> What I fear is that its just what the program outputs at nvda in which
    >> case nothing can be done really.
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >> On 6/04/2018 8:45 p.m., Jiří Fenz wrote:
    >>> Helllo all,
    >>>
    >>> i'm using Scite for coding in Autoit.
    >>>
    >>> Accessibility of thys program is almost total, but when moving with
    >>> right or left arrow betveen lines, nvda says Empty instead of New line.
    >>>
    >>> Is here some option to set classic End of line character in scite to
    >>> make it announce new line the same way as for example in notepad?
    >>>
    >>> With best regards
    >>>
    >>> Jiri Fenz
    >>>
    >>>
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >
    >
   
   
   
   
   





Re: announcing end of lines in Scite editor

Jonathan COHN
 

Would it be possible to use review cursor's Say Character and see what the UNICODE is that is being spoken as "blank" and then add it to a dictionary as a different expression? I haven't played with NVDA enough to know. Or perhaps even just the regular expression .$ could be used in a dictionary?



On 4/6/18, 11:41 AM, "nvda@nvda.groups.io on behalf of Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io" <nvda@nvda.groups.io on behalf of bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io> wrote:

Hmm what I see is nothing is spoken when you hit return, and if you leave a
line empty it just says blank, much like many editors. This tool behaves a
bit like the editor used by Dolphins scripting system as I recall.


Brian

bglists@blueyonder.co.uk
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal E-mail to:-
briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jiří Fenz" <jirifenz@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, April 06, 2018 10:27 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] announcing end of lines in Scite editor


>I think that it's only about gui element behaviour.
>
> Announcing empty instead of New line is the same regardless on lf, cr or
> crlf end of line.
>
> So i think that solving this is about advanced configuration of Scite to
> change how the eol symbol is viewed or forcing autoit to recognize that
> actual symbol as standart new line.
>
> Here is link for portable version of Scite i'm using, if someone want to
> try it directly.
>
> https://www.autoitscript.com/cgi-bin/getfile.pl?../autoit3/scite/download/SciTE4AutoIt3_Portable.zip
>
> Jiri Fenz
>
>
>
> Dne 06.04.2018 v 10:56 Shaun Everiss napsal(a):
>> Well it depends I guess you have to look in the editer options it
>> would have to do with how the symbon is rendered for nvda to read.
>>
>> Simplest way would be if there was a dictenary for that program if you
>> can have a spaciffic definition for a particular program I am not sure
>> if thats possible, but you could define the word empty to end of line
>> or do it for the global deffinition and when anything is empty it will
>> be end of line instead.
>>
>> Thats not going to really work that well.
>>
>> We need to find what that symbol actually is that is generated.
>>
>> Is it generating the standard carrage return or linefead, cr/lf symbol
>> for example.
>>
>> crlf symbols usually at least when I did communications and things
>> back in dos usually mean, new line, line end, end of line or simply an
>> empty space depending on the os, unix/linux, windows or dos.
>>
>> In these days, windows/dos has almost the same charset with windows
>> having more of them and linux has a few more.
>>
>> However depending what this thing was developed for, ie unix that
>> could explain the issue you are having, things are translated that
>> symbol may not be translated as such so there may be that issue to
>> worry about.
>>
>> Ofcause if you can get a document with just that symbon in it and send
>> it at whoever handles the symbol database then it should be ok.
>>
>> What happens if you create a document with a few new lines or line
>> breaks in them and view it in another text editor.
>>
>> Ie notepad, if the symbol is still empty, then its a symbol issue but
>> if the symbol is read correctly, it could simbly be what the editor is
>> outputting to be translated in which case not much we can do.
>>
>> If the symbol from scyte you get in notepad back is just utter crap
>> then it could be an untranslated symbol probably from unix or something.
>>
>> The next thing to do is send it back here and get someone to find out
>> what that symbol comes from, latx for example has different symbols to
>> text and other programs may have different symbols based on age to a
>> point, etc.
>>
>> So if you find that out then the symbol can be added and your issue is
>> solved.
>>
>> What I fear is that its just what the program outputs at nvda in which
>> case nothing can be done really.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 6/04/2018 8:45 p.m., Jiří Fenz wrote:
>>> Helllo all,
>>>
>>> i'm using Scite for coding in Autoit.
>>>
>>> Accessibility of thys program is almost total, but when moving with
>>> right or left arrow betveen lines, nvda says Empty instead of New line.
>>>
>>> Is here some option to set classic End of line character in scite to
>>> make it announce new line the same way as for example in notepad?
>>>
>>> With best regards
>>>
>>> Jiri Fenz
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>


Re: NVDA says "unknown" when I get out of programs

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

I tried to find that add-on but I'm not sure where to look for it.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Chris via Groups.Io
Sent: Friday, April 6, 2018 1:42 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA says "unknown" when I get out of programs

 

 

The latest win10 app essentials add-on address’s this issue

 

----- Original Message -----

From: "Rosemarie Chavarria" <knitqueen2007@...>

To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>

Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2018 10:00 PM

Subject: [nvda] NVDA says "unknown" when I get out of programs

 

 

> Hi, everyone,

> Whenever I exit a program like outlookor internet explorer, NVDA says

> "unknown". I have to hit alt F-4 twice to get back to the desktop. Is

> there

> a setting I might need to change in NVDA? I haven't had this happen

> before.

> I'm using NVDA 2018.1.1.

> Thanks for your help in advance.

> Rosemarie

>

 

 

 

 


Re: announcing end of lines in Scite editor

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

Hmm what I see is nothing is spoken when you hit return, and if you leave a line empty it just says blank, much like many editors. This tool behaves a bit like the editor used by Dolphins scripting system as I recall.


Brian

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Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal E-mail to:-
briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jiří Fenz" <jirifenz@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, April 06, 2018 10:27 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] announcing end of lines in Scite editor


I think that it's only about gui element behaviour.

Announcing empty instead of New line is the same regardless on lf, cr or
crlf end of line.

So i think that solving this is about advanced configuration of Scite to
change how the eol symbol is viewed or forcing autoit to recognize that
actual symbol as standart new line.

Here is link for portable version of Scite i'm using, if someone want to
try it directly.

https://www.autoitscript.com/cgi-bin/getfile.pl?../autoit3/scite/download/SciTE4AutoIt3_Portable.zip

Jiri Fenz



Dne 06.04.2018 v 10:56 Shaun Everiss napsal(a):
Well it depends I guess you have to look in the editer options it
would have to do with how the symbon is rendered for nvda to read.

Simplest way would be if there was a dictenary for that program if you
can have a spaciffic definition for a particular program I am not sure
if thats possible, but you could define the word empty to end of line
or do it for the global deffinition and when anything is empty it will
be end of line instead.

Thats not going to really work that well.

We need to find what that symbol actually is that is generated.

Is it generating the standard carrage return or linefead, cr/lf symbol
for example.

crlf symbols usually at least when I did communications and things
back in dos usually mean, new line, line end, end of line or simply an
empty space depending on the os, unix/linux, windows or dos.

In these days, windows/dos has almost the same charset with windows
having more of them and linux has a few more.

However depending what this thing was developed for, ie unix that
could explain the issue you are having, things are translated that
symbol may not be translated as such so there may be that issue to
worry about.

Ofcause if you can get a document with just that symbon in it and send
it at whoever handles the symbol database then it should be ok.

What happens if you create a document with a few new lines or line
breaks in them and view it in another text editor.

Ie notepad, if the symbol is still empty, then its a symbol issue but
if the symbol is read correctly, it could simbly be what the editor is
outputting to be translated in which case not much we can do.

If the symbol from scyte you get in notepad back is just utter crap
then it could be an untranslated symbol probably from unix or something.

The next thing to do is send it back here and get someone to find out
what that symbol comes from, latx for example has different symbols to
text and other programs may have different symbols based on age to a
point, etc.

So if you find that out then the symbol can be added and your issue is
solved.

What I fear is that its just what the program outputs at nvda in which
case nothing can be done really.




On 6/04/2018 8:45 p.m., Jiří Fenz wrote:
Helllo all,

i'm using Scite for coding in Autoit.

Accessibility of thys program is almost total, but when moving with
right or left arrow betveen lines, nvda says Empty instead of New line.

Is here some option to set classic End of line character in scite to
make it announce new line the same way as for example in notepad?

With best regards

Jiri Fenz




Re: in response to Kerryn Gunness ocr

Kerryn Gunness
 


thank u adrian
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, April 06, 2018 3:13 AM
Subject: [nvda] in response to Kerryn Gunness ocr

In windows 10 there is a built in app called photo ocr that converts scanned images to readable text, but it discards format of original structure.

It is good enough for general purpose of lets say reading post .

Dont forget you can use smart phone to scan your doc as well as a scanner.


Abbey fine reader is very good but it can get results wrong depending on the complex nature of the document. You have to sometimes manually tell it what certain parts of a document are such as table or graphics and also it tells you of errors that it couldnt determine what the text is and you have to type the correct entry yourself.

There is another option called KNFB reader which is quite expensive at about 95 pounds which gives a license for two devices eg. smart phone and windows 10 pc.

It only works on windows 10 so I think its using pc ocr function.  There is a limited trial of a certain number of scans so you can see if its worth it.

It works very well with my android phone and tells you if you are lining up your phones camera to capture the document properly so you dont miss out parts of the document and to ensure a clear scan.


I hope I have given you a bit of knowledge that will help you.

If you find anything useful please let me know.

My email is ampbeast@...

Best Regards Adrian Pocock.


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Brailliant display with NVDA

Karl Smith
 

Can someone confirm that the Brailliant Braille display will work with NVDA. Thanks.

 

Karl

 

 

 

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Re: announcing end of lines in Scite editor

Jiří Fenz <jirifenz@...>
 

I think that it's only about gui element behaviour.

Announcing empty instead of New line is the same regardless on lf, cr or crlf end of line.

So i think that solving this is about advanced configuration of Scite to change how the eol symbol is viewed or forcing autoit to recognize that actual symbol as standart new line.

Here is link for portable version of Scite i'm using, if someone want to try it directly.

https://www.autoitscript.com/cgi-bin/getfile.pl?../autoit3/scite/download/SciTE4AutoIt3_Portable.zip

Jiri Fenz



Dne 06.04.2018 v 10:56 Shaun Everiss napsal(a):

Well it depends I guess you have to look in the editer options it would have to do with how the symbon is rendered for nvda to read.

Simplest way would be if there was a dictenary for that program if you can have a spaciffic definition for a particular program I am not sure if thats possible, but you could define the word empty to end of line or do it for the global deffinition and when anything is empty it will be end of line instead.

Thats not going to really work that well.

We need to find what that symbol actually is that is generated.

Is it generating the standard carrage return or linefead, cr/lf symbol for example.

crlf symbols usually at least when I did communications and things back in dos usually mean, new line, line end, end of line or simply an empty space depending on the os, unix/linux, windows or dos.

In these days, windows/dos has almost the same charset with windows having more of them and linux has a few more.

However depending what this thing was developed for, ie unix that could explain the issue you are having, things are translated that symbol may not be translated as such so there may be that issue to worry about.

Ofcause if you can get a document with just that symbon in it and send it at whoever handles the symbol database then it should be ok.

What happens if you create a document with a few new lines or line breaks in them and view it in another text editor.

Ie notepad, if the symbol is still empty, then its a symbol issue but if the symbol is read correctly, it could simbly be what the editor is outputting to be translated in which case not much we can do.

If the symbol from scyte you get in notepad back is just utter crap then it could be an untranslated symbol probably from unix or something.

The next thing to do is send it back here and get someone to find out what that symbol comes from, latx for example has different symbols to text and other programs may have different symbols based on age to a point, etc.

So if you find that out then the symbol can be added and your issue is solved.

What I fear is that its just what the program outputs at nvda in which case nothing can be done really.




On 6/04/2018 8:45 p.m., Jiří Fenz wrote:
Helllo all,

i'm using Scite for coding in Autoit.

Accessibility of thys program is almost total, but when moving with right or left arrow betveen lines, nvda says Empty instead of New line.

Is here some option to set classic End of line character in scite to make it announce new line the same way as for example in notepad?

With best regards

Jiri Fenz