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Re: A tutorial for MP3 Direct Cut

Akbar S. Currim <raahzam@...>
 

Hi Gene,

Thanks for the info. I downloaded the file successfully and also
could shut off the playing during download by pressing the pause
button.

Thanks and regards,

Akbar

On 5/16/18, Gene <gsasner@ripco.com> wrote:
When the file starts playing, it is playing in an embedded player in your
browser. You can save the file by typing control s while the file plays.
That opens a save as dialog. Save the file as you would working with any
standard save as dialog. I believe there is an indication of how far along
the download is and when it finishes you can just stop play and use the file
that is now on your machine.

If you don't want the file to play while you are saving it, if there is a
pause button, you should be able to pause it and then issue the control s
command and save the file.

I don't know if this works in Internet Explorer. It works in Firefox and
Chrome.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Akbar S. Currim
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2018 2:53 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] A tutorial for MP3 Direct Cut


Hi,

How do I download the tutorial for reading or listening to later?
When I click on the link it starts playing immediately and I don't
find any download button.

Thanks for any help.

Akbar


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----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <gsasner@ripco.com>
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Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2018 2:57 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] A tutorial for MP3 Direct Cut


Regarding my last message, if you want to use Audacity, there is an error
in

the tutorial which I'll explain if you want to know. The error won't
cause

problems, it just adds an unnecessary step or two when editing. You may
save time without doing it.

Also, if you just want to edit and not record with MP3 direct Cut, you
may
not need the lame encoder to be placed in the program
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Monday, May 14, 2018 8:40 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: A tutorial for MP3 Direct Cut


Recently, I said I would send a tutorial about using MP3 Direct Cut to an
e-mail list. I don't recall if this was the list but, because I don't
remember, I'm sending it here.

The presentation is one file and contains a discussion and demonstration
of

both audacity and MP3 Direct Cut. You can skim the file until the MP3
Direct cut part begins.

After the MP3 Direct Cut section, is a discussion on how to decide what
parameters to use to record a file, such as bit rate.

You can listen or download it here:
http://www.accessibleworld.org/sites/default/files/tt-03-19-12-tutorial-gene-asner-audacity-and-mp3-cut.mp3

Gene






Re: screenwriting software that works with NVDA

Giles Turnbull
 

thnks so much, Marshall, I will give that a go!

Brian, I don't think the medium of screen writing is something that blind people shouldn't do ... that would be like saying that blind people shouldn't write books because they can't read them! A screenplay is the script behind movies and, with descriptive audio versions we watch those quite happily. If the software to write a screenplay correctly is inaccessible that is a different matter and, just as when there are times when a program doesn't work with NVDA we might turn to JAWS or Narrator, if the two scriptwriting programs I've tried are not very accessible then I just need to find one that is ... and fingers crossed Marshall's suggestion sounds promising :)


Re: WebEx

Walker, Michael E
 

I agree with you that using the NVDA keystroke that passes the next key through is a good try. As for the CAPTCHA issue, a workaround that I will try is using NVDA’s OCR on that CAPTCHA. Since I am on Windows 10, OCR is built in.

 

I really do think you should determine if you need to present visual material versus listening and talking in the meeting though. If you only need to listen and talk, just dial in by phone, and be prepared to enter the meeting’s access code.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dan Beaver
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2018 8:16 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] WebEx

 

Actually, I just thought of something that I should have considered before.  I didn't try using the NVDA keystroke that passes the next keystroke to the system.  If you use that you may be able to use the accessibility shortcuts that are available.  It might be worth a try.

 

Let me know if you have done this or not and your experiences.  I may need webex in the future.

 

Thanks.

 

Dan Beaver

 

On 5/16/2018 9:06 AM, Walker, Michael E wrote:

Hi Dan,

 

Your experience sounds similar to mine. One workaround I have found so far is just to dial into the meeting by phone, instead of clicking the link to join the WebEx in Outlook. I just wanted to see what others on this list were going to say, before I proposed that solution, as that solution has a drawback. Obviously, if you are hosting a meeting and you need to be the one sharing content via screen share to other users who can see that content, you cannot over a phone call. Dialing into the WebEx conference line over the phone is just for listening and talking.

 

Please keep your responses coming on this question. I am interested in others’ experiences, who are currently in a work environment, where WebEx is required. Let us know what your workaround is.

 

Thank you,

Mike

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dan Beaver
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2018 8:02 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] WebEx

 

My experience is that it isn't very accessible.  If info is shared NVDA(and I suspect other screen readers) can't read it.  I found it very difficult to find the mute button for manipulating the microphone.  I also found it very hard to find the button for sharing the camera so it was kind of hit and miss whether my camera view was shared with others or not.

 

Most of what I did my wife was also there and she ended up using the controls because it was so difficult otherwise.  I know this won't help in a business environment but I give it just as an explanation.

 

I pray for your success in using it.  Maybe they have improved it since I used it last.

 

Dan Beaver

 

On 5/16/2018 8:45 AM, Walker, Michael E wrote:

Hello,

 

What is the most optimal configuration for getting the most out of WebEx with NVDA? I am in a business environment, where we have to use WebEx, for our meetings. I am also faced with another dilemma that just came up, with regards to WebEx. Starting this week, when joining some meetings, I have been randomly asked for a CAPTCHA, that does not present an audio challenge. In 2018, what is the best way to overcome these issues? I am on Windows 10, with NVDA 2018.1.1.

 

Thank you,

Mike

 

 


Re: WebEx

Dan Beaver
 

Actually, I just thought of something that I should have considered before.  I didn't try using the NVDA keystroke that passes the next keystroke to the system.  If you use that you may be able to use the accessibility shortcuts that are available.  It might be worth a try.


Let me know if you have done this or not and your experiences.  I may need webex in the future.


Thanks.


Dan Beaver


On 5/16/2018 9:06 AM, Walker, Michael E wrote:

Hi Dan,

 

Your experience sounds similar to mine. One workaround I have found so far is just to dial into the meeting by phone, instead of clicking the link to join the WebEx in Outlook. I just wanted to see what others on this list were going to say, before I proposed that solution, as that solution has a drawback. Obviously, if you are hosting a meeting and you need to be the one sharing content via screen share to other users who can see that content, you cannot over a phone call. Dialing into the WebEx conference line over the phone is just for listening and talking.

 

Please keep your responses coming on this question. I am interested in others’ experiences, who are currently in a work environment, where WebEx is required. Let us know what your workaround is.

 

Thank you,

Mike

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dan Beaver
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2018 8:02 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] WebEx

 

My experience is that it isn't very accessible.  If info is shared NVDA(and I suspect other screen readers) can't read it.  I found it very difficult to find the mute button for manipulating the microphone.  I also found it very hard to find the button for sharing the camera so it was kind of hit and miss whether my camera view was shared with others or not.

 

Most of what I did my wife was also there and she ended up using the controls because it was so difficult otherwise.  I know this won't help in a business environment but I give it just as an explanation.

 

I pray for your success in using it.  Maybe they have improved it since I used it last.

 

Dan Beaver

 

On 5/16/2018 8:45 AM, Walker, Michael E wrote:

Hello,

 

What is the most optimal configuration for getting the most out of WebEx with NVDA? I am in a business environment, where we have to use WebEx, for our meetings. I am also faced with another dilemma that just came up, with regards to WebEx. Starting this week, when joining some meetings, I have been randomly asked for a CAPTCHA, that does not present an audio challenge. In 2018, what is the best way to overcome these issues? I am on Windows 10, with NVDA 2018.1.1.

 

Thank you,

Mike

 



Re: WebEx

Walker, Michael E
 

Hi Dan,

 

Your experience sounds similar to mine. One workaround I have found so far is just to dial into the meeting by phone, instead of clicking the link to join the WebEx in Outlook. I just wanted to see what others on this list were going to say, before I proposed that solution, as that solution has a drawback. Obviously, if you are hosting a meeting and you need to be the one sharing content via screen share to other users who can see that content, you cannot over a phone call. Dialing into the WebEx conference line over the phone is just for listening and talking.

 

Please keep your responses coming on this question. I am interested in others’ experiences, who are currently in a work environment, where WebEx is required. Let us know what your workaround is.

 

Thank you,

Mike

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dan Beaver
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2018 8:02 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] WebEx

 

My experience is that it isn't very accessible.  If info is shared NVDA(and I suspect other screen readers) can't read it.  I found it very difficult to find the mute button for manipulating the microphone.  I also found it very hard to find the button for sharing the camera so it was kind of hit and miss whether my camera view was shared with others or not.

 

Most of what I did my wife was also there and she ended up using the controls because it was so difficult otherwise.  I know this won't help in a business environment but I give it just as an explanation.

 

I pray for your success in using it.  Maybe they have improved it since I used it last.

 

Dan Beaver

 

On 5/16/2018 8:45 AM, Walker, Michael E wrote:

Hello,

 

What is the most optimal configuration for getting the most out of WebEx with NVDA? I am in a business environment, where we have to use WebEx, for our meetings. I am also faced with another dilemma that just came up, with regards to WebEx. Starting this week, when joining some meetings, I have been randomly asked for a CAPTCHA, that does not present an audio challenge. In 2018, what is the best way to overcome these issues? I am on Windows 10, with NVDA 2018.1.1.

 

Thank you,

Mike

 


Re: WebEx

Dan Beaver
 

My experience is that it isn't very accessible.  If info is shared NVDA(and I suspect other screen readers) can't read it.  I found it very difficult to find the mute button for manipulating the microphone.  I also found it very hard to find the button for sharing the camera so it was kind of hit and miss whether my camera view was shared with others or not.


Most of what I did my wife was also there and she ended up using the controls because it was so difficult otherwise.  I know this won't help in a business environment but I give it just as an explanation.


I pray for your success in using it.  Maybe they have improved it since I used it last.


Dan Beaver


On 5/16/2018 8:45 AM, Walker, Michael E wrote:

Hello,

 

What is the most optimal configuration for getting the most out of WebEx with NVDA? I am in a business environment, where we have to use WebEx, for our meetings. I am also faced with another dilemma that just came up, with regards to WebEx. Starting this week, when joining some meetings, I have been randomly asked for a CAPTCHA, that does not present an audio challenge. In 2018, what is the best way to overcome these issues? I am on Windows 10, with NVDA 2018.1.1.

 

Thank you,

Mike



WebEx

Walker, Michael E
 

Hello,

 

What is the most optimal configuration for getting the most out of WebEx with NVDA? I am in a business environment, where we have to use WebEx, for our meetings. I am also faced with another dilemma that just came up, with regards to WebEx. Starting this week, when joining some meetings, I have been randomly asked for a CAPTCHA, that does not present an audio challenge. In 2018, what is the best way to overcome these issues? I am on Windows 10, with NVDA 2018.1.1.

 

Thank you,

Mike


Re: Problems with NVDA and latest Windows 10 1803

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I expect Joseph will be along soon to ask about the version of win 10 essentials you have, but have you tried the pre release master snap?
If that fails too then somebody in the development team needs to try to isolate what makes some machines work and others not.
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From: "Steve Nutt" <steve@comproom.co.uk>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2018 12:31 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Problems with NVDA and latest Windows 10 1803


Hi Jacob,



I have three machines here, all on 1803. None of them work at all well with
NVDA in Windows 10, in fact, File Explorer is pretty much unusable, as is
Outlook.



At this point, I'm glad I have JAWS as well. But I don't know why NVDA is
so broken with 1803, more so than JAWS.



All the best


Steve

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jacob Kruger
Sent: 16 May 2018 09:10
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Problems with NVDA and latest Windows 10 1803



Steve, this sounds almost like an iteration of what I was mentioning - it
seems to fluctuate/vary quite a bit on/off on my one windows 10 1803
machine, which is a lenovo laptop, whereas on my slightly lower hardware
specification desktop machine, that does however have a solid state
operating system drive in it, it actually seems to react a bit more
consistently, in terms of reading out list items, like in file explorer, to
me, and, this is with both of them running windows 10 1803 pro 64 bit, and,
currently both running NVDA master snapshot.



Stay well



Jacob Kruger
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Skype: BlindZA
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On 5/16/2018 10:03 AM, Steve Nutt wrote:

Hi,



I recently reported that Outlook message lists were not reading for me.



It is in fact worse than that, lists in general don't seem to be reading.
For example, File Explorer in Windows 10 is completely silent for me now.



JAWS is reading lists quite happily.



Any thoughts?



Thanks.



All the best



Steve



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Re: Question about Web Browsing

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Could you expand on the amazon issue. i cannot say I've noticed this behaviour, though their use of frams and carousel based suggestions can be a little irritating at times!
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From: "Christopher Gray" <chris@moblind.org>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2018 11:52 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Question about Web Browsing


Good deal, many thanks.

Chris

On Tue, 15 May 2018, Jackie wrote:

Hello, Christopher. The command you're looking for is NVDA + control +
f. When I say "NVDA", I mean the modifier key you've chosen as your
NVDA key, ie, caps lock, numpad insert, etc. HTH.

On 5/15/18, Christopher Gray <chris@moblind.org> wrote:
Hi:

Please forgive a somewhat open-ended question. I come to NVDA with just
over a
week of experience, and things have gone pretty well. Before now, I have
been a
Cobra users for many years, back to about 1994, and when necessary a
Window-Eyes
user. Those are my points of reference. I have reveiwed and then read the
NVDA
User manual on the online Help system and found it pretty useful.

The area where I'm having some trouble is in web browsing, mostly on
Amazon.com
thus far. I am used to having a command in Cobra, ctrl+f, which was an
internal
Find command, not an Internet Explorer command. Is there an equivalent in
NVDA
or some alternative technique available to find things on a screen without
disturbing the screen itself or opening some sort of mode in the software
program itself?? Also, after I choose an item to examine or purchase on
Amazon,
that part of the screen seems to go blank. I don't know how to get things
to
reset. Any NVDA advice on this would be most welcome.

I've seen some conversation here about Chrome and if my best solution is to

start using Chrome, I could do that. Is there NVDA/Chrome-based information
to
help me get started?

Any pointers to commands or an overall approach will be very much
appreciated.

Thank you.

Chris

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Re: Problems with NVDA and latest Windows 10 1803

Steve Nutt
 

Hi Jacob,

 

I have three machines here, all on 1803.  None of them work at all well with NVDA in Windows 10, in fact, File Explorer is pretty much unusable, as is Outlook.

 

At this point, I’m glad I have JAWS as well.  But I don’t know why NVDA is so broken with 1803, more so than JAWS.

 

All the best


Steve

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jacob Kruger
Sent: 16 May 2018 09:10
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Problems with NVDA and latest Windows 10 1803

 

Steve, this sounds almost like an iteration of what I was mentioning - it seems to fluctuate/vary quite a bit on/off on my one windows 10 1803 machine, which is a lenovo laptop, whereas on my slightly lower hardware specification desktop machine, that does however have a solid state operating system drive in it, it actually seems to react a bit more consistently, in terms of reading out list items, like in file explorer, to me, and, this is with both of them running windows 10 1803 pro 64 bit, and, currently both running NVDA master snapshot.

 

Stay well

 

Jacob Kruger
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Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile...but, acceptance is versatile..."

On 5/16/2018 10:03 AM, Steve Nutt wrote:

Hi,

 

I recently reported that Outlook message lists were not reading for me.

 

It is in fact worse than that, lists in general don’t seem to be reading.  For example, File Explorer in Windows 10 is completely silent for me now.

 

JAWS is reading lists quite happily.

 

Any thoughts?

 

Thanks.

 

All the best

 

Steve

 

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Re: A tutorial for MP3 Direct Cut

Gene
 

When the file starts playing, it is playing in an embedded player in your browser.  You can save the file by typing control s while the file plays.  That opens a save as dialog.  Save the file as you would working with any standard save as dialog.  I believe there is an indication of how far along the download is and when it finishes you can just stop play and use the file that is now on your machine.
 
If you don't want the file to play while you are saving it, if there is a pause button, you should be able to pause it and then issue the control s command and save the file.
 
I don't know if this works in Internet Explorer.  It works in Firefox and Chrome. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2018 2:53 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] A tutorial for MP3 Direct Cut

Hi,

How do I download the tutorial for reading or listening to later?
When I click on the link it starts playing immediately and I don't
find any download button.

Thanks for any help.

Akbar


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<bglists@...> wrote:
> I think I've got Lame in so many places now I've lost track!
>  The snag is which is the newest?
>  Brian
>
> bglists@...
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> briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
> in the display name field.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Gene" <gsasner@...>
> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2018 2:57 AM
> Subject: Re: [nvda] A tutorial for MP3 Direct Cut
>
>
> Regarding my last message, if you want to use Audacity, there is an error in
>
> the tutorial which I'll explain if you want to know.  The error won't cause
>
> problems, it just adds an unnecessary step or two when editing.  You may
> save time without doing it.
>
> Also, if you just want to edit and not record with MP3 direct Cut, you may
> not need the lame encoder to be placed in the program
> Gene
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Gene
> Sent: Monday, May 14, 2018 8:40 PM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: A tutorial for MP3 Direct Cut
>
>
> Recently, I said I would send a tutorial about using MP3 Direct Cut to an
> e-mail list.  I don't recall if this was the list but, because I don't
> remember, I'm sending it here.
>
> The presentation is one file and contains a discussion and demonstration of
>
> both audacity and MP3 Direct Cut.  You can skim the file until the MP3
> Direct cut part begins.
>
> After the MP3 Direct Cut section, is a discussion on how to decide what
> parameters to use to record a file, such as bit rate.
>
> You can listen or download it here:
> http://www.accessibleworld.org/sites/default/files/tt-03-19-12-tutorial-gene-asner-audacity-and-mp3-cut.mp3
>
> Gene
>
>
>
>
>



Re: Problems with NVDA and latest Windows 10 1803

Jacob Kruger
 

Steve, this sounds almost like an iteration of what I was mentioning - it seems to fluctuate/vary quite a bit on/off on my one windows 10 1803 machine, which is a lenovo laptop, whereas on my slightly lower hardware specification desktop machine, that does however have a solid state operating system drive in it, it actually seems to react a bit more consistently, in terms of reading out list items, like in file explorer, to me, and, this is with both of them running windows 10 1803 pro 64 bit, and, currently both running NVDA master snapshot.


Stay well


Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile...but, acceptance is versatile..."

On 5/16/2018 10:03 AM, Steve Nutt wrote:

Hi,

 

I recently reported that Outlook message lists were not reading for me.

 

It is in fact worse than that, lists in general don’t seem to be reading.  For example, File Explorer in Windows 10 is completely silent for me now.

 

JAWS is reading lists quite happily.

 

Any thoughts?

 

Thanks.

 

All the best

 

Steve

 

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Problems with NVDA and latest Windows 10 1803

Steve Nutt
 

Hi,

 

I recently reported that Outlook message lists were not reading for me.

 

It is in fact worse than that, lists in general don’t seem to be reading.  For example, File Explorer in Windows 10 is completely silent for me now.

 

JAWS is reading lists quite happily.

 

Any thoughts?

 

Thanks.

 

All the best

 

Steve

 

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Re: A tutorial for MP3 Direct Cut

Akbar S. Currim <raahzam@...>
 

Hi,

How do I download the tutorial for reading or listening to later?
When I click on the link it starts playing immediately and I don't
find any download button.

Thanks for any help.

Akbar


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I think I've got Lame in so many places now I've lost track!
The snag is which is the newest?
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <gsasner@ripco.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2018 2:57 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] A tutorial for MP3 Direct Cut


Regarding my last message, if you want to use Audacity, there is an error in

the tutorial which I'll explain if you want to know. The error won't cause

problems, it just adds an unnecessary step or two when editing. You may
save time without doing it.

Also, if you just want to edit and not record with MP3 direct Cut, you may
not need the lame encoder to be placed in the program
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Monday, May 14, 2018 8:40 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: A tutorial for MP3 Direct Cut


Recently, I said I would send a tutorial about using MP3 Direct Cut to an
e-mail list. I don't recall if this was the list but, because I don't
remember, I'm sending it here.

The presentation is one file and contains a discussion and demonstration of

both audacity and MP3 Direct Cut. You can skim the file until the MP3
Direct cut part begins.

After the MP3 Direct Cut section, is a discussion on how to decide what
parameters to use to record a file, such as bit rate.

You can listen or download it here:
http://www.accessibleworld.org/sites/default/files/tt-03-19-12-tutorial-gene-asner-audacity-and-mp3-cut.mp3

Gene





Re: I've largely changed my mind about Chrome, I like it muchmore now

Steve Nutt
 

Hi,

 

You could still do what Jean was suggesting though, by pressing Control-T first, not Control-N.  As you say, this is a faster way of doing it.

 

All the best


Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Norman via Groups.Io
Sent: 15 May 2018 15:33
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] I've largely changed my mind about Chrome, I like it muchmore now

 

Not to split hairs, but it's a new tab (which loads faster AFAIK) not a new window.

 

It still saves you a keystroke per search - assuming you want the search results in a new tab. Also, if you accidnetally search from the wrong tab it helps loads.

 

On Tue, May 15, 2018 at 3:29 PM, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:

I just checked.  Typing an address and then using alt enter does open the page in a new window.  It does this in a search or when typing an address.  It's a nice convenience, but it doesn't make much difference since, as I said before, you can use control n to open a new window first, then open a page.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Gene

Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2018 9:11 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] I've largely changed my mind about Chrome, I like it muchmore now

 

I had thought, when I read about what alt enter does in a previous message, that it would do the same thing if you type an address.  I see from Brian's message that alt enter evidently only does this when in a list of results from a search that you see by doing a search using that field.  It should take this action when searching for a book mark in this way as well because you are in the same search list.  But it would be good if someone who uses the feature would clarify the points.

 

I say, off an on, never to assume in unfamiliar contexts or environments when dealing with computers.  I assumed what would happen when typing an address and not being in the list and that assumption may well be wrong.  Experimentation is fine, but you can't assume in an unfamiliar context when dealing with computers.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

 

 

From: Gene

Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2018 8:54 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] I've largely changed my mind about Chrome, I like it muchmore now

 

I'm not sure Firefox informs you when a popup has been blocked.  I don't recall seeing such messages.  You can never assume anything in unfamiliar environments. I don't use Chrome enough to know if message information isn't automatically read.  But taking the same action repeatedly, time after time, in any context dealing with computers accomplishes nothing in general.  It assumes that computers are illogical and that repeating the same failed action many times will produce a different result.  If two or three times  doesn't accomplish anything, repetition further is very unlikely to.  Repeating something a time or two may produce results because some transient condition may prevent the command from being carried out. 

 

But the first question is, are status messages not read in Chrome and to answer that question, we need to know what actions produce them, then test by taking those specific actions.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Kenny

Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2018 7:06 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] I've largely changed my mind about Chrome, I like it muchmore now

 

And if you use Microsoft Edge or FireFox, you're immediately informed via a notification bar message that a file has been queued and if you wish to "Run" or "Save" it. NVDA automatically reads these messages with no problems.

 

OK, so you use the Download Manager to monitor if a download has started in Chrome. What do you do to know if a pop-up was blocked on a page, and you're clicking the link over and over again not knowing what the hell is going on? Maybe if NVDA read the dynamic message informing you that a popup was blocked, then you could take an "Action" to disable the blocker for that page?

 

So my problem deals with NVDA not automatically reading any dynamic content displayed in this Chrome Actions bar.

 

On 5/15/2018 4:20 AM, Steve Nutt wrote:

Hi Kenny,

 

I’m not aware that downloads speak in any screen reader.  I believe this should be a Chrome change.

 

However, it’s easy enough for me to press Control-J and go look at the percentages.  Once it’s in focus, it should be read to you.

 

All the best


Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kenny
Sent: 15 May 2018 02:02
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] I've largely changed my mind about Chrome, I like it muchmore now

 

Thanks for sharing the proper shortcut.

 

I'm curious why hasn't NVDA been configured to speak these "Actions" when they dynamically appear in Google Chrome? This is the only issue I have with the browser.

 

You click on a link to download a file and you have no idea the download has started. You have to hit Ctrl+j to bring up the Download Manager to check. Even other Actions aren't spoken automatically by NVDA for the Chrome browser.

 

Can't that cool NVDA installation progress sound be configured to activate for the download progress for Chrome too?

 

On 5/14/2018 5:21 PM, Steve Nutt wrote:

Hi,

 

Alt+Shif    t+A should get you into what Chrome calls Actions, which are the notifications.

 

All the best

 

Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kenny
Sent: 10 May 2018 04:31
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] I've largely changed my mind about Chrome, I like it muchmore now

 

Can you please share your tutorial with the list again?

 

I'm hoping you gone over a work around to have the messages being pushed to Chrome's notification bar automatically read by NVDA?

 

Also what is the shortcut key to be placed in the notification bar? The alt+n key combination doesn't seem to work. Thanks.

 

On 5/6/2018 6:21 PM, David Moore wrote:

Hi all!

I have been telling people just how great Chrome is for two and a half years.

I am so happy that all of you are finding it to be true.

If anyone needs my text tutorial I wrote on how to use Chrome, and take you through all settings, I will paste it on the list.

I have done this around ten times on all the lists, but you are still finding out for the first time, just how great Chrome is.

Just read works great for just reading an article on the page.

CTRL+J allows you to hear the status of the downloads. Now, CTRL+Shift+O allows you to open the bookmarks manager, and you can arrange them in different folders and back them up.

Chrome is great with Youtube, and streaming media. Chrome is good for a lot other than just simple browsing.

Have a great one, and I am celebrating that you are finally getting used to Chrome!

David Moore

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: juan gonzalez
Sent: Sunday, May 6, 2018 5:23 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] I've largely changed my mind about Chrome, I like it muchmore now

 

I use the add on called sound on for navigational sounds.

 

-----Original Message-----

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io

Sent: Sunday, May 6, 2018 9:28 AM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] I've largely changed my mind about Chrome, I like it much more now

 

Would anyone know if Chrome has sounds? one of the annoyances with current firefox is figuring out when downloads are finished or when a page is refreshing itself, ie you normally hear the ticks  in the old version due to navigational sounds.

Until i find a browser with this function of sound I'm loathe to get a new browser over ff52, but the problem is that I've been reading that some sites now do not support the old versions of Firefox and tell you so when you have things like modal windows whatever they are.

On XP to make Firefox perform even reasonably you need to use a version 45, as after this the actual load up times are hugely slowed, my guess is that the code is made for multi processor  devices, not single core ones.This is also why on xp you might find that Chrome and firefox are similar in page loading times.

 

Things are no pushing ahead so fast on sites that its not uncommon to see the message you browser is unsupported get this or that then you can come back.

To me this is a weird thing for commercial sites to do, as they are, in effect pushing away potential customers, but hey, that is their business.

Brian

 

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----- Original Message -----

From: "Gene" <gsasner@...>

To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>

Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2018 10:57 AM

Subject: [nvda] I've largely changed my mind about Chrome, I like it much more now

 

 

I may have sent messages in the past in which I expressed a much stronger liking for Firefox than Chrome.  At this point, I've changed my mind and, unless things change over time, as they may as Firefox continues to implement its new internal technical changes, I consider Chrome to be superior for general browsing. I haven't tested it for uses such as streaming or RSS or other uses.  I will therefore only address general browsing and the interface.  Others may want to comment on other aspects I haven't compared.

 

This is a long message, a bit of a review and a bit of discussion of the interface.  I hope those interested in the subject find it useful.

 

If you try Chrome and find it superior for general browsing, you may still not want to use Chrome as your main browser.  There are various considerations.  I'll explain why I changed my mind and what you may want to consider.  You may have other or different considerations as well.

 

The reason I say Chrome is better for general browsing is because it loads pages faster than Firefox.  You may want to compare and see if the difference is important to you.  There is a very noticeable difference.  I hadn't compared Chrome with Firefox for speed on a fast machine.  I compared them on a slow machine running XP perhaps six or eight months ago.  I had expected that, if Chrome was faster, there would have been a noticeable difference, even though the machine was slow.  But there wasn't a difference that amounted to anything.

 

I recently decided to compare on a reasonably fast machine running Windows 7 since many people have said on lists I'm on that Chrome is faster.  There is a very noticeable difference in speed on my Windows 7 machine.  I don't know what the results would have been on a fast XP machine.

 

I haven't used Chrome much but the increase in speed is the reason I say it's better for general browsing.

 

The Chrome interface is different than Firefox or Internet Explorer.  It isn't difficult to learn but it is different.  You will likely want a tutorial or some instructional material.  If you are good at learning by exploring, you may not want or need such material, at least not to use in depth, but you may benefit in early learning by using material.

 

The main things to know in terms of the differences in the interface are that Chrome shows many things as web pages, such as settings and history and there is one menu, which you can open with alt f, that is, hold alt and press f.  Of course, there are submenus and there are also items that open like web pages such as settings.

 

I don't recall if there are classic dialogs that open from the main menu.

But if you work with settings, you need to know that the settings interface doesn't work quite properly in the following way:

It's a web page-like interface but there some controls that don't work as they should.  I tried to activate two buttons today and I couldn't do so in browse mode using NVDA.  I don't know what JAWS does.  I had to manually go into forms mode, and activate the buttons.  I may have had to tab to the button because forms mode may not have been properly calibrated with browse mode in that interface, at least at times.

 

I seem to recall that in another instance, I needed to be in browse mode to activate something but I'd have to experiment more to know if that is the case since I don't have a clear memory of whether that was necessary.

 

There's a very useful settings search feature in settings.

 

One of my main objections to Chrome in the past was that the book marks interface is not nearly as comvenient to work with as Firefox because the search feature in Chrome book marks appears to be inaccessible.  I very recently learned from someone on a list I follow that this problem can be more or less eliminated.  I say more or less because I haven't played with it much, but enough to see that it works well or reasonably well.  I'm hedging because I'd want to play with it more before saying just how well it works.  It' appears to work well from the very little testing I've done.  If you are in the address bar, you can type some or all of what you want to find such as york times or new york times and you can up and down arrow through results.  Some of them will be search results using a search engine but the top results in the list should be from book marks and history.  Try reading the current line after typing to see if that contains the first result.  I haven't played with the feature more than a little and I'm not sure.  But if it works well, this would eliminate what I consider to be an important deficiency. In other words, this feature may make book marks just as easy to use in Chrome as in Firefox.

 

If you use Firefox extensions that you consider important and use them a lot, that may be a consideration in which browser you want to use.  and then, there's just convenience of not learning a new interface and continuing to use the familiar Firefox.  You, of course, can determine questions like that.  It's nice to have pages load a good deal faster, but the importance of speed may vary from user to user.  But if you haven't compared with a hands on test, you may wish to.

 

Browsing is either identical or nearly identical between the browsers because they both use browse mode, or the Virtual PC cursor, which is the JAWS name for the same thing.

 

So you can compare by installing Chrome, and then opening and using some web sites.  Control l moves you to the address bar, just as in Firefox.  I believe when you open Chrome, you are automatically placed on the address bar, but you can check.  If you want to make sure, it takes almost no time to execute control l.

 

I hope those who are interested in this subject find these comments useful.

If people are curious or dissatisfied with Firefox or another browser, they may want to try Chrome.  I haven't used Edge at all so I don't know how Edge compares.

 

Gene

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 



 

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Chris Norman

 


Re: In-Process 15th May

Quentin Christensen
 

Ah great, sorry about the delay.  It's the first time in ages I've forgotten to tag the post properly to begin with.

On Wed, May 16, 2018 at 11:20 AM, Gary Metzler <gmtravel@...> wrote:

Hi Quentin,

 

It showed up this afternoon.  Thanks,

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2018 7:06 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] In-Process 15th May

 

Hi Gary,

 

When I hit "Publish", I forgot to tag it as "In-Process".  I did go back and amend that last night - so it shows up on the https://www.nvaccess.org/category/in-process/ page, but maybe your RSS feed didn't pick that up?

 

On Wed, May 16, 2018 at 4:22 AM, Gary Metzler <gmtravel@...> wrote:

Hi Quentin,

 

I have the in process set up to come into outlook as an rss feed.  Does it take awhile for it to come into my feed list?  Thanks,

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2018 12:17 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] In-Process 15th May

 

HI everyone,

 

This week's In-Process is out, and it includes some of the goodness you can expect from NVDA 2018.2, plus an update on our first Certified Expert in India and a hat-tip to our Windows Insiders

 

 

#NVDAsr

 

--

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Re: In-Process 15th May

Gary Metzler
 

Hi Quentin,

 

It showed up this afternoon.  Thanks,

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2018 7:06 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] In-Process 15th May

 

Hi Gary,

 

When I hit "Publish", I forgot to tag it as "In-Process".  I did go back and amend that last night - so it shows up on the https://www.nvaccess.org/category/in-process/ page, but maybe your RSS feed didn't pick that up?

 

On Wed, May 16, 2018 at 4:22 AM, Gary Metzler <gmtravel@...> wrote:

Hi Quentin,

 

I have the in process set up to come into outlook as an rss feed.  Does it take awhile for it to come into my feed list?  Thanks,

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2018 12:17 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] In-Process 15th May

 

HI everyone,

 

This week's In-Process is out, and it includes some of the goodness you can expect from NVDA 2018.2, plus an update on our first Certified Expert in India and a hat-tip to our Windows Insiders

 

 

#NVDAsr

 

--

Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

 

Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

 

Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 



 

--

Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

 

Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

 

Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 


Re: In-Process 15th May

Quentin Christensen
 

Hi Gary,

When I hit "Publish", I forgot to tag it as "In-Process".  I did go back and amend that last night - so it shows up on the https://www.nvaccess.org/category/in-process/ page, but maybe your RSS feed didn't pick that up?

On Wed, May 16, 2018 at 4:22 AM, Gary Metzler <gmtravel@...> wrote:

Hi Quentin,

 

I have the in process set up to come into outlook as an rss feed.  Does it take awhile for it to come into my feed list?  Thanks,

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2018 12:17 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] In-Process 15th May

 

HI everyone,

 

This week's In-Process is out, and it includes some of the goodness you can expect from NVDA 2018.2, plus an update on our first Certified Expert in India and a hat-tip to our Windows Insiders

 

 

#NVDAsr

 

--

Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

 

Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

 

Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 




--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 


Re: New to NVDS?

Cearbhall O'Meadhra
 

Bonnie,

 

Welcome to the NVDA community! You had me mystified for a while!

 

Do you need any help with it all?

 

 

All the best,

 

Cearbhall

 

m +353 (0)833323487 Ph: _353 (0)1-2864623 e: cearbhall.omeadhra@...

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bonnie Rowley
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2018 11:10 PM
To: NVDA <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Fw: [nvda] New to NVDS?

 

Yes, it was a typo. If I'd had NVDA talking to me when I typed it, I would have probably gotten it right. My apologies..

Bonnie

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From: Cearbhall O'Meadhra <cearbhall.omeadhra@...>
Reply-To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: 5/14/2018 12:51:55 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] New to NVDS?
________________________________________________________________________________

Hi,

What is NVDS? Is this just a misprint?

All the best,

Cearbhall

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-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Monday, May 14, 2018 5:30 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] New to NVDS

Hi,
Several tutorials come to my mind:
* Basic Training Module from NV Access
* Various videos from American Foundation for the Blind and other
organizations
* My own tutorial set (Welcome to NVDA 2018)
* For Windows 10 users, there is a textbook by CathyAnne Murtha that goes
over how to use Windows 10 with NVDA.
Cheers,
Joseph


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Christopher
Gray
Sent: Monday, May 14, 2018 8:03 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] New to NVDS

Hi Joseph and All:

I am also new to NVDA, just loaded it up about a week ago and have been
experimenting with it.  I come to NVDA as a longtime Cobra user, and a
parttime WindowEyes user.  I feel strongly that I need a screenreader that
is currently under development and reacting to Windows and windows-based
software as things change over time.

Joseph, I saw your note about tutorials and wonder if you might suggest
current ones?

Thank you.

Chris

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